Trauma Release and Biological Healing

Who are you? How do you describe what you do for work It's so hard If I'm talking to somebody that's boring, I'll just tell them I teach psychology stuff But if I want to get into it, I'll say, you know I teach everything from brainwashing to interrogation applied on yourself and other people and Most of what I do is train sales teams nowadays. So sales has gotten really addicted to this stuff but I've studied neuroscience for a long time. And I spent my life trying to figure out how the brain works and how to shift human behavior, not just like get someone to confess to something in an interrogation, but How do we modify our own behavior? and what are the mechanics that make that possible Do you think we're living in the most psychologically manipulated era in human history? Yes Hands down But I mean, you go to ancient Rome, some shit would happen and they would say, Hey, do the do the lion fighting thing with the guy. Let's distract everybody. So I don't think it's new. I think it's a lot more pervasive though Is that because of it being facilitated through technology or is that because of a requirement for control? What's the motivation for that? I think the Just the digital media If you think about, what is the number one fear of human beings. like every psychology class talks about it. It's the public speaking But it's never public speaking.'s I don't want to be judged I don't want tona be ostracized because in our brain, that's two hundred thousand years old Getting kicked out of a tribe means I'm dead Nmot gonna have sex. I won't to have babies and I'm going to die It's a mortal fear of dying But if you go back to the nineteen eighties Um, If I did something stupid in high school or even as an adult, I have to worry about thirty or forty people judging me and maybe you know, really kind of kicking me out of a social group And now withith social media, you've got to worry about five or ten million So the consequences of doing something wrong unbelievably exponentially increased which has made us a whole different society, which we can get into. and this is the origin of this pandemic of loneliness that we're in right now, where everybody will agree that we're pandemic levels of loneliness and nobody You don't hear anyone saying, I'm lonely which is a deeper root of this exact problem What's happening then You ever see a French philosopher, this guy named Sartre I've read a little bit of his stuff, but ust single quotes. He had this play, It was called Sartre's Hell Three people are locked in a room basically like this, and it's a play The room's not totally locked. Every couple hours the door opens and you can leave if you want to and noity leads and they're all desperate to be seen in a certain way by someone else. This one guy Yeah Um I'm paraphrasing but he wants to be seen as a good person. So we asked this woman there, please tell me I'm a good person Please And she says, yeah, you're a good person But he knows she doesn't mean it. So he stays The door opens, nobody leaves, and they stay because they're waiting for this confirmation from other people who they are in this world today with how performative and artificial everybody has become. I've got to show my best self, I've got to hide shame, I've got to conceal all this guilt and stuff that people carry around The reason that somebody can feel lonely. in a room full of people. And I'm not just talking about on Facebook. I'm saying like in a real room full of people is because no matter how many times your friends come over and pat you on the back and say, Oh, Chris, you did a great job. We love you. You're a great guy spouse might say, oh, we love you and you're a great person. In the back of your mind, you know you're faking it and you know that none of them really like the real you And you get at the end of the day, and I'm not saying this is you, but at the end of the day, you're lonely in a room of one hundred and fifty, two hundred people because you know that none of them know you and you haven't ever really been seen. by anybody So inccreased fear of judgment because of social media equals increased performance equals, I'm wearing a costume almost all the time and nobody has ever seen me, nobody really knows me. So even if they claim to like me, in the back of my brain, there's this little reminder mechanism that says They don't like the real me. And nobody ever has. Nobody's ever seen me This is my opinion, but I think that's the root of our of the pandemic that we're in right now of loneliness like we're more connected than ever and more performative than ever. at the same time. So we can't really connect. ourur brains are wired for one hundred and twenty, one hundred and thirty person tribe And we start getting over that and we have massive issues It's interesting that A lot of the time person. has been subsumed by the persona the role that people are playing. Yeah The persona is incapable of receiving love, it can only receive praise. Best. and it feels like a pad on the back It's the same as people don't love Chris Hamsworth, they love Thor They don't love Russell Crowe, they love Gladiator So how can you be surprised if you don't genuinely existentially feel connection with your pursuits and your successes and peopleople around you. You know that they're just applauding the role that you play as opposed to seeing who you are truly Have you seen the movie Pig? with Nicholas Cage No, you got to watch evenven if you watch this one scene, it's like five minutes long. Nicholas Cage plays this guy who was just kind of had enough and stop performing forever. like He doesn't care He's not mean or anything, just doesn't perform. And he goes to this restaurant. He's a famous chef and he's exiled and stuff And this chef is just pretending to be a certain type of person so that his restaurant is more successful. And Nicholas Cage just basically says none of this is real You're not real. which means they are not real. and none of this, everything's fake. Everything here is completely fake And you're going to wake up every day and there's going to be less of you and less of you until there's nothing left that you'll ever recognize again It's this massive awakening scene for the guy and it's beautiful And I think when people watch it, they assume, oh, I'm in the Nick cage role. And maybe sometimes in our life we are, but I think in other times we need to be kind of shakaking awake and somebody grabs our little camera and changes our camera angle to look at a situation differently I want to be woken up like that in every possible way And I think that that's what we all need. brainwashing real? What's true and false about Brainwashing is absolutely real There's a four step process and it spells out the word fear. It's focus. emotion agitation and repetition And so if we start with focus, This is me routinely breaking what you are predicting to be what's going to happen next over and over and over in a massive amount One or two times, this is what triggers a mammal brain, our mammal brain and a dog You're walking down a pathway in the woods and a stick breaks behind a tree You're like, what was that You're not worried about anything else. So the fastest way to generate human focus or mammal focus is novelty. genuine thing happens that you didn't expect So that's the first. That's what we generate mass amount of focus And then it's in motion. With emotion, there's an old hypnosis technique that that became popular in the fifties. This guy named doctor Milton Eriksson popularized this thing called fractionation if you You'll be familiar with like Channel four and Darren Brown. I know a lot of Americans aren't, but he's kind of there's no American al of Darren Brown. Oh', maybe the closest Pelman Yeah. I was pring, yeah So they figured out like if I pull somebody down in hypnosis And then take them gently out of it When I put them right back down in, so this is in quick succession. I take you out of hypnosis and then I put you back into hypnosis again, you'll go deeper every time. And there's no such thing as depth in hypnosis. What they essentially mean is you'll have more gAabBa. You know, GAabA is it's a neurotransmitter in your system, like the safety chemical. And you'll also have a higher degree of theta wave brain state. And if I can just keep going up and the me down and up and the maked down, you're deeper and deeper and deeper in a hole every single time. So if you look at your feed Anybody out there, you open whatever feed you want on any whatever app you're thinking of right now you kind of scroll through your feed, you're going to see stuff that kind of brings you back up onlyn for a second or two And then it's fear and scarcity And it follows the thing of getting your focus showing you an authority figure, telling you something threatening making you fearful of judgment of a tribe and then making you emotional and then bringing you back up and then back down in that cycle. So it's focus, authority, tribe and emotion. You'll see it in your feed. guaranteed And you don't even need this You don't even need to scroll for like five minutes. You'll see it right away. And then it'll be like one little thing to kind of bring you up, like, u One of those videos where the people were like, Ohh, we just found this baby deer on our porch one day And we decided to bottle feed him and raise him. And then, you know, it's like a fast cut to where like he's a giant deer like sleeping in the kid's bed or something and he's like a family member now It's like a heartwarming video that feels and I love watching those. But it feels great. And then bam, they pull you back down again into the cycle But what you'll notice after you see fear video at the end of the Foccus authority tribe in emotion, right at the end of that, they're either going to A bring you up or B show you an ad. I've never heard any talk about this before, but you can absolutely see it and I'm not immune. Like I've bought stupid shit on Instagram like anybody else. King about this doesn't get you vaccinated against manipulation. I bought the dumbest shit in the world on Instagram It just means I'm a well informed victim this stuff. But that's the core of brainwashing is focus, emotion. That's that fractionation part above and down agitation So this is doing something to where the mammalian brain recognizes this is a different environment than I was expecting, notot a thing that's happening So now the landscape is changing. The oil prices are going up. This big thing is happening. There's a shortage of some critical resource and then repetition. So if it's in He detainee environment. the massive focus is them being woken up in the middle of the night over and over by strobe lights and loud sounds, cold water, that kind of stuff than the emotion the entire time you're sitting there in your prison cell or whatever I've got every photo your family's ever posted on the internet playing on a slidide show using a projector on the wall. So focus, emotion, then agitation somethingomething is extremely disrupting to your ability to predict the future. That's agitation and then repetition. the cycle begins again And you can kind of do whatever you want. That process creates a blank slate in people and that's like the That's like the baseline formula of how brainwashing works And that is exactly what social media is using Yes, but I think a lot of people think, oh, there's some dark conference table, dudes smoking cigars, like how do how can we How can we really mess these people up I don't think's at all. I think's just an algorithm that's rewarding what's creating the most revenue showing you an ad for shoes. is way easier after you watch the little baby deer video or after I make you think that the water supply is being destabilized. I think it's just algorithm. I think there's many other things where there's people involved in manipulating the public. I don't think that social media is doing that on purpose. that one piece of it The piece that I do absolutely think is being done on purpose is if you're on the left and you open your feed You're gonna to be shown the dumbest piece of shit, idiots on the other side that they could possibly find. And if you're on the right, you're going to be seeing the exact same thing about people on the left The number one goal being You in the deepest part of your mind, you cannot help but make a permanent judgment about reality of those people Fing crazy. All of them are crazy. I can't trust them. I can't listen to them This is a campaign that I think is called engineered division And if I can get people fighting horizontally, they're not going to look up If I can get somebody destabilized and kind of ends at odds with each other Your ability to think critically is reduced by like fifty percent. This is massive and they've shown this in many studies J just getting someone destabiliz in that way where they're kind of fighting each other, they're distrustful of their neighbors There are ten times more easy to manipulate So if you think of like how our brain works. If you're falling off a cliff, your arms and legs are going to flail all over the place, you're moving everywhere The first solid object touches your body. you're going to instinctively grab onto it, evenven if it's a thorn bush or barbed wire, you'll grab it. So when when a population is destabilized and something clear and logical is presented, somethingomething like a pre packaged enemy I'll just leave that there. is given to you you're ten times more likely to accept it because it's clear, it's pre packaged and it's easy to follow and humans do not ever follow like the best leader in a situation. They follow the most followable And there's a big difference between those things So destabilization, that would be step number one. And two Chinese intelligence officers wrote a paper on this It's called, I think it's called unrestricted warfare. It's been translated into English and they use a hypothetical country that really looks like the United States. in this paper But they talk about this asymmetric warfare and how we have to get them fighting each other. We have to make them distrustful of each other and we destabilize the government from the inside because we can't win a terrestrial war with these people. And they all of this is just written out there. You could buy this probably on Amazon for like three or four bucks. This translated book. It's probably online too. But it's very it's very open that it's not just like, it's not like the normal bad guys that you hear about, theseese are foreign state actors that are doing some of the stuff We just had a former mayor of a city In California, I believe that that was proven to be a operative for China a mayor I think people are thinking like there's some ancient rich family you know, in the depths of some cave somewhere pllaotting the destruction of the world I think it's just countries that hate each other and greedy, selfish companies. Maybe I'm oversimplifying it, but If you're watching the news and you don't hear nuance You are being manipulated they're giving a message There's here's the enemy. Here's how to feel about what you're watching on the news. And here's exactly what's happening. And they'll tell you that this, this and this, all these three things happen. They'll never tell you how they're connected. They'll act like everything's a separate story Uh, I think there's an agenda I won't pretend I'd be a fool to say like I can understand or know the end game of any of this stuff. That's a long ass answer to your question. What makes a leader followable? there are Authority first, the perception of authority We trust in order. There are five things that make us trust another human being first is confidence. The person is doesn't have any reservations. talking clearly speaking in a way that I can clearly understand. They're not using academic language which is why most presidents, the president who speaks at a lower grade level is thinks like thirty five percent more likely to win a debate So that makes them followable, right? Confidence and literacy, like it's clear clear to understand them, they're very confident Next is discipline. And I don't mean that this the person is like making videos of themselves waking up and like, hey, here's my morning routine But I mean like we can see discipline on people. We can see somebody that has self control and discipline and that starts coming through. we can pick up on that And then leadership And for good for good or bad, there's cult leaders that have all these problem or all these qualities too grratitude and enjoyment The gratitude just being like, I'm thankful for what's happening right now in the moment, I'm emotionally stable. I'm easy to follow. But we're not really going into all that. Our brain's shortcut is that we follow someone who is probablyroably loudest clearest and has no hesitation in their behavior. So our brains are trained to look for micro hesitations and automatically give us a little gut feeling of, oh, I shouldn't trust that person. So micro hesitations are the fastest way to destroy authority. in both of those scenarios, that you just described the world being chaotic difficult conffusing It's something being offered up as order N One example, it's an enemy that's prepackaged order Why is this going bad? It could be a million reasons or it could be group over there And the same thing for leaders I don't understand what's going to happen. We've got all of these different directions that we could go down. Don't worry All of that chaos doesn't need to be worried about because I have the order and I can wrangle this system to bring it to bear For better or worse And that's what happens And if you just, the way that I describe this very simply, is the process is to close down a machine or close everything down. pressure inside of it and then decide where the pressure is going to release So it's a controlled release of pressure that's been being built up on purpose. And sometimes that is like the pressure is some relief. Like we have this national thing that's happening and the pressure release. is chosen at a certain point. There's a lot of people that say know like track the money If you track pressure like financial pressure, economic pressure, shipping and trade pressure, oil shipping around the world, tracking the pressure is always more revealing from an intelligence perspective than tracking the money. Pressure is going to show you like it has to have a release valve somewhere And nine times out of ten there's There is a person or group of people that are choosing how and where the release valve is going to be Before we continue, I wish someone had told me five years ago to stop overthinking nutrition and just find something that works. I've simplified mine down to one scoop a day and it's made hitting my nutritional basis. . 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The best way to get the outcome that you want is to just let it optimize for that outcome and reverse engineer however it got there That's why We can complain all we want about the algorithms, but even the engineers, you open up the black box of YouTube, you open up the black box of TikTok They don't know what's happening inside of there. There is no knowing about what's happening inside of there. This is just recursive algorithms training itself. Yeah. Interestingly, the coolest thing I learned about this from Stuart Russell guy that wrote the textbook on AI So up until probably twenty twenty when the Transformer technology and LLMs came along, it may still be the case. I know he's still talking about this a lot. I think his textbook had been translated into hundred languages. So it was used around the world. It was the canonical textbook for AI Stuart Russell He wrote this book called Human compompatible he's talking about Computers, humans, some psychology, a lot of AI and computer science We said that there's two ways that algorithms can become better at what it is that you're going to click on The first one is serving you content which is mole to something that you want to press Right? Like if youre all that you're trying to optimize is CTR and watchatch time, basically, which is kind of every every algorithm now I can just better predict what it is that you want and give you that The other side is I can nudge your preferences to make them easier to predict So it's a biirectional relationship It's not like anybody told the Back box algorithm to go and do this Over time, it knows, hey, if I walk people down this sequence of steps, and this is where I think the truth about pipelines and radicalization comes along, but it's not necessarily radicalization to an extreme of one particular worldview. It's an extreme of predictability And this bidirectional relationship between becoming better at working out what you want to click and becoming better at making you more predictable to work out your preferences. Yeah. That is really I mean, it's when he told me about it, blew my mind it is one of most mind blowings that I've heard I've got to read this. Because fucking spectacular, A When I teach Um persersuasion and influence. I'm actually here in town today teaching. I've been on stage all morning doing a Like at a seminar, training talkix what you need When I teach, what I'm telling people is your first goal is being able to engineer and build the perfect client So I' make the person the perfect recipient for what I need to give them So if I know the outcome is, I need you to click on baby deer videos I'm going engineer the shit out of that to where I'm not gonna like just start showing them to you. I'm going to make you the perfect recipient before I start shifting your behavior The way that I typically describe this as if you learn persuasion, interrogation, sales, whatever it is. They're going teach you how to engineer outcomes because people are obsessed with the outcome argue that if you're good What you engineer are conditions And if I can engineer the right conditions, I can get you to do anything anythingthing And just as an example, just of how powerful conditions and context are I think was in the nineteen forties This u stage hydotist guy. is doing like a comedy club thing, you know, we're like, oh, the guy next to you farted and it smells really bad. You're on a roller coaster now and it's like all of this stuff. But there's like ten or fifty people on stage And then part of the show is, all right, all of your cops call to a party. everyverybody in the audience is a party right now And the more the audience laughs, the more you're going to get upset They get up and they're not allowed to leave the stage. so they're all kind of yelling pretending like these kids are like a house party or something Th he's like, Oh, one of them's got a gun he's gonna to take you down. And one of these guys on the stage is an off duty police officer carrying a weapon, starts firing into the crowd, a real gun. And I think one person was I don't know if he died, but shot a real gun into a crowd. The cop was a good person Well meaning just wanted to go out with his wife, you know for an evening Conext can dictate your behavior no matter what We're going to Probably both you and I, not together, but we will get naked by the end of the day. bothoth of us I'm going to get into it a today as young is young. We're going to get into a shower, get into a bathro or whatever But we're not like as we're standing in front of the shower, we're not like, o, I don't know if I should We just we just get naked, right Context Cext tells us What's allowed So if I can modify context, I can get you to do anything All I have to do is it's a PCP formula I change your perception about the situation that's going on. Then I say, yeah, since you're viewing this differently, it's actually this situation where people are trying to do X Or I reframe this as someone is a complete threat But I've changed your perception of what's possible to do Th the the context is some person is a threat And they're they are a mortal now I say the word mortal. They're a mortal threat So I've changed the category If I shift category and context, that changes what you think you're allowed to do and what you're not allowed to do Does that makeakes sense So like if perfect world, the only question, like if you're really good at this stuff, like a lot of these systems are What is the context or the behavior I want you to do is automatic What is the context So if I can make you believe that you're in a shooting range and you're actually standing in a bar,re your behavior is going to be very different what you're really seeing over time is a drift of perception. and then context So with this PCP, perception, context and permission permission is that final thing that says, oh, in this context, I'm completely allowed to do this and it makes perfect sense So a lot of what we're seeing is context engineering If you look at the Nilbgram experiment, which I think a lot of people are familiar with, essentially prove that people will shock strangers what they think is to death in about forty seven minutes at a seventy percent success rate of failure rate, whatever you want to call that But they didn't have a script There wasn't some magic sales script where they where they brought them in And they had the right words to say in the magic hypnosis guy that comes in there, It's just a dude in a lab coat Then all they did in the Milgare experiment is engineer the conditions that make it okay context made that shocking behavior permissible You mentioned there about people technologies that are unbelievably good at manipulating behaviour When it comes to seeing operators, people Who's the most effective behavioral manipulator that you've ever seen operate in front of you I can't say names. Noh the guy said I think he's still active, but u He could get prettyretty much anybody to do anything But he shifted the context. So the task that I gave him is go into this social very social environment. It's like a band playing. It's like a bar This is a real thing. Yeah and I said, I want you to have someone Let's say, laid out on the floor thinking that they're just completely unconscious and like Seven minutes I couldn't hear anything that was being said. and he He did it within like three, four minutes. and I ask him, I said, What did you do? He's like, Oh, I just I told her I was a hypnotherapist, and I asked what she wanted how she wanted to change her life, and she was really, really excited that she wanted more discipline. and I just told her I would give her more discipline and it's really easy So he shifted the context to her being helped instead of controlled. and made it okay for her to be leg on the floor and made everything okay just because he shifted the context It's the same in interrogation rooms where The context shifts And there's like a five step protocol that people use to make someone confess to a crime And if you really examine what the protocol is, it's just a massive shift in context and perception. What's the protocol? You ready? All right So it's socialize, minimize, rationalize, and project S up for It's four steps and then there's an alternative question at the end. Okay. Is it this or this Just like name a name a crime that's not gross that we can actually talk about. anythingy you want like stolen texting while driving ect they're not gonna be in an interrogation room. Okay. Yeah, cool. smmuggling arms. Okay, smmuggling arms. Great So the first step would be social interrogation protecting while driving. There' just armies of interrogators up and down the United States highways. Okay. it might solve the problem. Yeah. Okay. Smuggling arms So you're talking to this person and you decided It's time to shift into interrogation. The beginning of an interrogation is called the interview process and the shift is called the confrontation So the confrontation is basically just where you tell them like you They're lying but you don't do it in a way that hurts their ego And so I might say something like Chris I appreciate you and I just want you to know, I've been doing this a really long time. I've talked to a lot of people And's if there's one thing I know for sure, it's when I'm not getting the full story And I don't think I'm getting the full story here And then I go right into the socialized part of this thing. And when I say socialize, it's basically people will understand. So the line is I think at the end of the day Um You did this because you're a good person And I'm going to explain why. And I've talked to a lot of bad people and I know you're not a bad person. And I think when people see all the steps that led up to you getting wrapped up in this that they're going to understand then minimize And like I said, I don't think you're a bad guy. And to be honest, I deal with bad people all the time and people that do way worse stuff than this. I've seen people that have done way worse than this get completely over it So it's not that big of a deal I'm not noobbody's accusing you of being some mass murder or something like that This is not the same thing. then it's rationalized I know you came from a poor village I know that you had a really tough background, and I know that you're a good person And I'm not saying whether or not you were doing this to pay for it, but I know that your aunt has several hundred thousand dollars in medical bills that she's needed to pay project So now the project is basically it's not your fault. I think anybody that was handed your conditions and your life would have probably made the same choices that you did. and There's I know a lot of times these arms smuggling rings will use threats and pressure to get someone into the unit. So if that happened to you That's what you know, that's something that I want to know about. So I know that you didn't like deliberately decide to do this. And then we move into the alternative question And I'll say so, Chris What I'm really trying to find out here is Were you doing this just to make a bunch of money and then go buy a bunch of drugs and live in some other country? orere you really like trying to help one of your family members Beuse I know these guys have been talking to you and I've looked into you as well and it doesn't look like you're a bad person So now it's an alternative question of Are you a piece of crap Or did you try to do something good for your family? So bothoth of them are admissions of guilt though I was trying to find out the reason that this happened Yeah You're not you're trying to find out an admission of guilt. Yes. Yes the in the conversation, we're trying to find the reason it happened Go for the admission of guilt because the first part of the interrogation, there's like a long series of questions we ask and based on those responses, if they respond a certain way to each question, Th then we move towards the confession methodology. So and they're basic questions, like, If if there was a robbery or in some neighborhood here Can I say the city that we're in? Of course. Okay. so Let's say luck it. two blocks away and maybe Yeah, two blocks from here. there's a neighborhood in Austin And there's a there's a neighborhood there. and let's say you robbed a house So one of those questions to determine how guilty you are, one of my favorite questions in the world, It's called the bait question And it basically says let's imagine you did this. I wanted to put you in the mindset so you can understand the question. Let's say you stle a bike out of this person's garage. Blazays go I calls you up and like, hey, I think you might have seen something that's going to help us in the case. Could you please come in here and talk to us about about the case You come in I say, Chris, dude, thank you for for coming in U This is important to us. We've got officers out there that they've been working all through the night, collecting evidence and stuff. I just want to ask you one question. You seem like a really good guy. so I want you to think really carefully before you answer this. Is there any reason Whatsoever, that one of the neighbors would have a ring Doorball cameer that shows your vehicle in that area. So now you're confronted with a dilemma. If I say no, And he whoops out a video. Now I'm a liar and they probably know that I did this. If I say, yes, I'm placing myself at the scene of the crime, right And the cool thing is that someone who's innocent would be like, nope And it would be instantly they would have no hesitation. They'd have tons of conference. I would nope, there's absolutely no reason. So that's one of those kind of setup questions. another That's regardless of whether you've got the ring doorbell footage or not. Yes. And I don't say that I have it Is there any reason why? Yes. Is there any reason that One of the officers would have received some ring doorbell or some doorbell video camera footage shows your vehicle in that area Not you do anything bad. And another one is another great question. I can't reveal all of these, but Another great question is called the punishment question and This works on kids. It works on adults, it doesn't matter And it's just a few words long. I would say What do you think should happen to the person that did this? And you always get Amazing answers I'll give you my kids example. And this is from they were seven and eight give or take I came home from work. I'm in like my camo uniform And we had a white living room rug and there's like a little cardboard thing of chocolate milk just like sitting on its side and there's like a little pool of chocolate milk on the carpet And they were both playing the Xbox. The milk was like right there a few feet away. I was like, what the hell Gust Is like, Oh, I don't And I was like, did you guys do this? And they're like, Nope. And I said, All right, William kitchen, Charlotte Dining room Fucking prison prisoners dilemed them. Yeah And I went over to Charlotte It was Charlotte. And I said, Charlotte, what do you think should happen to the person that did this? And she goes weekends, grounded, no more Xbox, can't play with the friends, no more sleepovers, can't eat in the living room anymore. It just goes on and on. I was like, okay, all right. It's a kid's equivalent of tappled punishment. 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Yeah. So normal report, the admission might be Um, you know, I've I was so like in my own head. I was so afraid to be open around other people and I kind of like wore a mask for the like ten, fifteen years of my life until I realized like It's not a big deal as I think it is. I'm not a big deal as I thought I was justust saying something that other people really wouldn't and being honest about it, is one of the one of the fastest ways to make start happening in a conversation because people are so fake that that is somehow rare now And's that's why I think podcasts where there's a genuine dude on there getet more views than CNN I think Rogan's got more views than CNN Um, but at the end of the day That's one of the fastest ways to do it Another one of the fastest ways to do it in this world is to have ignorance and fascination about something that you pride yourself in knowing a lot about So like if you're an electrical engineer or something your maybe wire podcast studios for a living. and be like, God, that's That's always fascinated me with all that stuff. I don't think I can do that if I If I tried for a year, I'm just not inclined to do that, but it's still fascinating That's one of the fastest ways to absolutely do that I think I do think Rpport is a little bit overrated I think at the end of the day having contagious confidence where your confidence is high enough where the other person feels confident is so much more effective and Rpport is a byproduct of that So I always try to think like what is upstream of the thing that I want? So if I want this as my desired inst state What are all the things that needed to happen to make this just an automatic byproduct of what I want. the end of the day And one of the things that we found out over these years is in an interrogation room or in some business setting, it doesn't actually matter. Is this level of confidence out any hierarchy or status The biggest mistake that most people make is like if I say the word confidence, you're going to think more than who or higher than or less less confidence than And that hierarchy thinking is the fastest way to collapse any kind of skill in human beings because it pushes your awareness back behind your eyes. And I think when you if your awareness is in front of your eyes, people can really, really feel that And one metaphor I use to talk about this a lot is if I could go on a slight rant here If you went into like we're in Austin, so there's probably a piano store somewhere L let's say you and I went into like a big ass piano store and they got this big Grand piano there. and I go up to the piano and I smash down the middle key really hard, which is a C It's going to send out this frequency through the entire store And the C string on every other piano is going to start resonating like crazy but it's only that string is going to vibrate. tuned to that frequency, right? It's not to vibrate any other strings except for C. The same thing works for tuning forks. So when I teach this stuff.'s that humans work almost exactly the same way One of the phrases that I teach is wherever you're speaking from is where you're going to speak to in other people Where you speak from, you will speak to So if we're in a conversation and I'm worried about hierarchy and status I'm plucking that same chord in the person I'm speaking to comes through If I'm very confident and not insecure confidence posturing kind of stuff U That's going to trigger confidence in the other person So true confidence is really contagious And The other confidence like where you can tell somebody's like read fifteen of those LinkedIn articles like, oh, how to display CEO level confidence Make solid eye contact, firm handshake, pat somebody on the arm, use their name, that kind of shit Genuine confidence makes other people confident Absolutely having enough confidence to share without ever viewing it in the lens of hierarchy and status the fastest way to like this, whatever people call charisma I think it's the fascist rout How do you think about Pearing confidident in a room Can you rephrase it What are the component parts of appearing confident to somebody? Well What we're really doing, like if you read one of those articles about like how confident people command a room and all there's YouTube videos all day long for that stuff what I think they're made of is they're studying The symptoms of confidence If I wrap you in a heating blanket and squirt water in your nose It does not give you COVID But it gives you a couple of symptoms, right? It doesn't work in reverse all the time. So what I think a lot of those People that train online is they see somebody who's genuinely confident and like, oh, what are they doing with their body? They're standing up straight They're speaking from their diaphragm. They're doing all of these things. they use hand gestures like this and then Okay, they're like, okay, let's make an Ecel spreadsheet out of this. We're going to figure this shit out Like All right, how wide was the hand gesture? like, let me check. it's thirty six inches. Yeahah, it was thirty six So then we trained somebody to do this with their hands at thirty six inches and they've got social anxiety They're going to look like an idiot It's not going to look congruent. It's going to feel like, whoa, what's going on with this guy I think our culture is just obsessed with symptoms in general. Like I want the Ferrari and the yacht And I don't want the bank account. I mean, I want The symptoms of being wealthy. I want to show people that I have symptoms of wealth But if you look at the cause of confidence and I think my definition of confidence is way different than what youll read online. but I think confidence is two elements Number one It is a willingness to receive social injury I'm willing to be socially injured. Oh Number two It is a generalized or kind of a fuzzy belief that things are going to work out okay Things are going to be okay So that social injury is typically why people can't feel confident. So it's social injury or permission. I don't have permission to be like that here. If I make fifty k a year, I'm not going to be confident walking into that herermae hererme Whatever, Louis Vuitton Lop place Gucci. Yeah. whatever. And the confidence comes from like permission. I don't have permission to be here. They can tell that I'm not from here So that's a role based permission. But if you're willing to receive social injury, you're totally fine with it. have a generalized expectation that things are going to be okay That is the first step to like really feeling confident and completely eliminating hierarchy and status from your mental thoughts forever for the rest of your life, I think is the best way. Because it's not related to how you and somebody else interact. It's within you. Yeah Absolutely I feel like this is going to go okay. And if social rejection does come my way. I'm fine with it. Yeah. It's a social injury and that's okay. It might hurt. I'm not saying I'm immune to any of it. It might hurt. But I'm okay. I'm happy to receive it. What you make of Trump's behavior? How do you analye him as a communicator ' fabulous communicator I think he speaks at I think a seventh grade level A lot of good leaders speak at a low level. I think Obama was seventh or eighth grade level as well. But why do they do that they will become more followable Like exactly what we were talking about was authority And while we follow authority figures and in times of distress and I think is communicator that is obviously self serving, selfulfilling And people call him a narcissist, which is a diagnostic term for insurance companies, which is why that was invented But you say whatever you want, but He is I think he's a great communicator. I think he gets the point across And he's just He's He' very idiosyncratic. He's weird. He does stuff that other people don't do. He breaks from a lot of the norms Um But the communication is effective. Why is it effective though? Like how does it get so much attention? Well, one, he's kind of loud, but number two, it's novelty We talk to like novelty massively generates focus on human beings. and he's like a novelty master He's a magician of novelty He's the dude. when it comes to that and he is not the clearest communicator when it comes to like long vision and plans and stuff like that, but he says things that are followable. He has ideas that are very easy to follow. Man, Shane Gillis did a bit about him talking about Baghdadi when Baghdadi Have you seen him? It's one of the best videos on YouTube But it was just hilarious. how simply, it was absolutely simple How he communicated everything, and it painted a picture in your head And he did it in a way that didn't have to use literary flowery poetry language and All of that, but it put a very clear picture in your head when he said that stuff. It's interesting to think about how distinctive someone's voices and It's typical that a lot of people that have massive cultural influence have a distinctive, if you can do an impression of someone, P probablyably a good indication they've got quite a distinctive voice Yeah and do an impression of Jordan Peterson Mite easily Very distinctive vo can do an impression of Andrew Tate quite easily Very distinctive voice, distinctive, distinctive speaking cadence, repetition, this Russell brand unnecessarily verbose and articulate sort of meandering sentences Listical style. with Trump punchy thing. a superfluous restatement of the past point. with embellishment and a little bit of bravado. Oh. Obama Stacato Very sharp You is? Well, it's this and then it's this L like that pop, p,op,op Oh just I think that there's something to be said about a signature style. Sometimes much of the time, maybe most of the time, the impressions that someone does about another person typically not that flattering. Most impressions aren't done to pay a compliment to someone If someone can do an impression of you easily You kind of own area verbal real estate Like I have this. If you do that, like is that fucking cur at the frog or Jordan Peterson? I can't work it out. But it's one of them Yeah I know it's one of them in there And if you do a Trump even a bad Trump impression, I know that's Trump Nctually that's a good judge how effective someone is as a rhetorician and of having a distinctive and signature style of speaking. Yeah How easily Can someone do an impression of you How far away from the way that you speak I do an impression and the person I'm saying it to still understand the person that I'm doing it about You know what I mean? That's a cool rule of thumb Yeah. and it's like the the novelty aspect and the The uniqueness of thisistictiveness is a huge part, I think. It's like the facial features are to a caricature artist You know, like all these individual weird, unique things about the face and I'm going exaggerate them for a caricature. I it's the same Same kind of thing. And that voice is like a good trademark If you have that unique voice, it's fantastic for a trademark. This is why I need to get Eleven labs to give me my voice back I wanted campaign I w went a crusade against eleven labs. st they stole my voice. This stole my voice and now everyone's using ins I have at least two AI channels of me popping up every day on YouTube unbelievable with my name. Okay, that's different. That's slightly different A Oh, they're using your voice likeness. Yeah. so They have a go to British voice called Archer and this has been around for a while now. it's It's just trained on me It's been trained on me It's got the same verbal ticks that I have from the specific area in the northeast of the UK that I'm from. It's got glottal stops in certain words. It's got the you sound words, Ys bizarre little idiosyncrasies and phonetic idiisms that I've got. and it's motherfucking me And I At some point in future, I'm gonna shout at someone. The CEO was in Qatar while I was there giving a speech. onene of his C suite was there in Qatar and I got stopped talking to the dude the new CEO of Qatar Airways. and I had this thing in front of me and it was connect with the guy that might be able to give me a discount on flights on Qatar Airways or go and shout at the dude from eleven labs and Im like A ye I'll take the flights. It' like deala no deal that f U Oh, yeah, yeah, fuck, play it.ike watch this thing. 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We're heading to drinklmT. com slash modern wisdom. That's drinklmNT d. com Slush Aom Wister You're talking there about building confidence, but I'm interested in what behaviourors instantly reveal insecurity You mentioned micropauses as one that Maybe not insecurity, but authority trustworthiness, perhaps. What are the behaviours that reveal insecurity So when it comes to insecurity, Let's go mammalian and then human So the mammalian fear response or insecurity response is a reduced arm swing incomplete movements So like I'm going reach for this and I'm going to stop and then kind of continue doing it and then The movements aren't completed, you'll see a lot of that kind of stuff. And you'll see reduced eye contact in a downward motion. and biggest of all, you're going to see the body moving or staying in areas that protect arteries This means You'll see a lot less of this You'll see the humerus kind of sit in a little bit closer to the body while they're talking so that the brachial artery is protected. You'll see the shoulders a little bit up in social situations. that'll stay a little higher, their head coming down a little bit protecting the carotid arteries. You'll see the arms in front of their body like this. sometometimes this is called the fig leaf gesture named by Allan Pees. because it's covering the chap. Yeah. interestnteresting. But it's also protecting the femoral arteries at the same time And men are more likely to do that. Women are more likely to wrap a single arm around the abdomen like this while they're talking during like if they're insecure And this is protecting the uterus area There are studies on this. I have no idea who did the studies. this was originally written about by a guy named Desmond Morris, who just I think died in the last month or two. He was in his nineties It's like the first researcher who wrote a book about really observing humans as if they were animals. likeike do how do their body move and h So the book was called Naked Ape They're like us. like the hairless monkey. And He studied he was like this savant at human behavior But anyway, like when you're looking at the insecure behaviors And if you're looking at two people What you really want to look at, especially if there's two people is which person needs something more from the other person And which person is reacting to the other person The onees man up. hesitant to reveal this The one thing that I teach a lot of these venture capital people, they'll get pitched a lot I've never been to one of the pitches It's been on the pitching side quite a bit over the last six months, so o. I know what this feels like The one thing that I teach them to look for is what's called lip compression And we tend to do this at times when we We are withholding a little bit of information or we're withholding an emotion So like imagine like if your friend started a new job And you're like, hey dude has the new job? He goes, Oh, it's great So that lip compression is withholding. So what I teach is W for the compression, the moment you see it, just rewind. What were they just talking about right before you see it How's the financials in the business? Yeah says, oh, all the financials are great. We've projected out a good thing for the next couple of quarters And you'll see that just that little lip compression is is that lip compression? I'm always interested in why that particular expression or feature is associated with that particular motive or leak. Is it is it It's our first way of withholding. It's our first way to hold in milk. like a tongue jut Like after someone tells a lie, like there's something called a tongue jut that's very common like this This is our first no. It's a way to force a nipple out of the mouth And these are theories of Desmond Morris' as well. U like this is our first wave withholding. and keeping milk in the mouth and our first no is pushing our tongue out pursing our lips a little bit. That' sick. Is that not cool? Okay Yeah, Is that not cool? It amazing. Sorry, I'm enthralled in the conversation. Is this not peopleeople more bored usually because this is brilliant. Okay, good. Yeah mayaybe I expect should be b it's boring to me because I've been looking at it for like ten fifteen. I'm Brit. You have to remember, you have to filter it through the British whatever this is. Yeah. ye. So that's our first no tongue out of the mouth That tonguejut is our first not There's a difference though between a tongue sticking out really quick. And then a tongue licking the lips. So a tongue licking the lips is called a hygienic gesture So it's made to make somebody more attractive. So a hygiene ad gesture might be me sitting up a little straight and like pulling my shirt down Robin lent off licking my lips All those gestures that are made to look us more attractive. thoseose you want to look for before someone starts talking. So if they know a topic's coming up Like all right, nextext we're to get into financials. and then you see hygienic gestures before they start talking. So typically you'll see hygienic gestures so they're improving their appearance before the delivery of something that might be questionable You're trying to stack the debck in their favor. Yeah And there's no behavior for deception There's no behavior for deception. What does that mean? There's no behavior that's like, this is deception None, zero what we're measuring with behavior is A, stress. and B changes. Like somebody says, oh, someone tapping their finger all the time or tapping their finger means that they're stressed and that means they're lying. That's total bullshit. abbsolute bullshit So if I just tap my finger all day long, what you need to look for is when I stop. I was gonna to say, you're just a finger tapper. Yes Yes Your first thing that you need to do, like and people study body language a lot, and I could save you fifteen years of studying body language, the only thing that you need to get good at is detecting change and then learn a few little facial things or a few little tricks, but get really good at detecting a change. This is the same as doing a polygraph, that they have to get a baseline first. Yeah And what you're doing is a visual equivalent. Is that a fair assessment? Yeah, Visual and verbal equivalent of all that. What's the cadence that this person speaks at? What's the volume that this person speaks at? Or if they've been talking about their kid that's missing on the news U like He's great, he's great, he's great And then all of a sudden, they say how do you think he's doing And they start using past tense words all of a sudden to describe their child who they think or they're trying to say is currently alive And they're using past they shift from present tense to past tense. He is a good kid. He was a good kid Those like shifts in tense and language use are really important and When it comes to behavior, there's none for deception. You got to look for change Cext So like And somebody says, Oh, well, his arms went into his torso. He like, well Did it get colder? Did someone open a door? and it's fifty degrees in the room So context is really important. Was he hungry and then clusters So like one behavior is not much to like if you're in something that's high stakes, you want to look for a mountain of behaviors. Like his breathing rate increased. We had pupil dilation, He licked his lips, and he was tabbing his finger that he did hadn't done before, and his language shifted He started becoming more he lost his verbal fluency. so he was more hesitant in his language and stuff. We were like we typically want to see a stack of many different things in body language I don't know why, uh, I got obsessed with it for a while. I'm really not. I'm kind of over it, but In body language, you deal in likelihood It's like a meteorologist. It's not like, yes, it's definitely going to rain at three fifteen PM today Now we're looking at here's historical stuff that's happened H's something that's happening now. H's a likelihood that something will happen Is there a reliable way that stress changes your behavior Yes What what do you mean by that You begin to get stressed about something. Yeah while we're communicating some idiosyncratic, there's a baseline, and then there's deviations from the baseline Yeah presumably there are also some relatively common patterns that happen across everybody, regardless of whether they're a finger tapper or a foot tapper or an neck scratcher. Yeah the most common thing that you want to look for is what stress does it We have a little cortisol that comes up If it's real stress, the person's also going to have a little dump of epinephrine, which is adrenaline And when the body says, Wha You know, there's a little too much adrenaline here. I need to burn some of the shit off It's going to move like you'll see their foot. you'll see their body move because their foot's tapping a lot or you'll see like some part of their body they'll think, oh yeah, I was just tabpping my foot because it's Cvenient What their body is doing is burning off excess adrenaline because of the stress Right when you see like someone start burning off stress, the stress started like ten, fifteen seconds before that That's interesting. This thing has occurred Epinephres increased. I need to burn this off. movement frequent Quick moving movement. Yeah And a lot of people do it through stiffness too. So you see someone go from rigid And I can burn it off like this. likeike I'm gonna my body gets more rigid, my posture and everything, the stress actually actively tensing as opposed to just being still. Yeah. Right from stillness to stiffness, maybe That's interesting Just go back, can you recap the behaviors that display insecurity again. Yeahes, so prrotecting arteries is number one. And this is brachial carroted foremoral and this arm rep that you'll seem more likely in women of wrapping like a single arm like this protecting the uterus Inomplete gestures. So someone makes a gesture, they don't complete it and then they kind of stop or it's interrupted. interrupted gestures What's going on there self doubt. Like, am I allowed to do this? Do I have permission to do this? Is this going to make me look weird? How am I being perceived? It's so it's a lot of like people that are insecure experiencing insecurity. it's about self percept Like how how is Chris perceiving me? Does he like me? Is there something going on? amm I being judged right now And maybe knew we' in a hesitant yner. Maybe this was too fast. Maybe I did this thing Weirdly, maybe I need to slow down. Can I grab this thing right now It's not open. Can I open it on a podcast? It's got a loudass thing next to a microphone? answ open a new. I've been wondering this whole time. G good. And that is the same presumably as the micro pauses when it comes to words, communication. Am I okay to say this thing unsure. I've got more processing power. I guess there's more going on than just that Um uncertainty about what I'm saying How I'm going to say it? Where am I going next? What did I just say? How is this couched in the broader context of what I've been saying throughout this entire conversation? Yeah, it's a lot more self management If you're wanting to spot insecurity changes Watch for someone in a conversation that their lips have been parted the whole time And all of a sudden they're like, Ohh yeah and they close their lips and they stay closed a little bit. So that's another one. So if you're seeing a little bit tiny bit of stress behavior and then their lips close when they're normally just If we're really interested in something, our lips part just a little bit And then when we experience a little bit of stress, we'll have lip closure again. I remember seeing a image of someone doing the holding gesture Nothing. And it was described it's a very British thing to do. I don't knowether you're aware of this. So there's something in the UK called Chabs. Chabs are a little bit like s or Rdnecks, sort of antis social behavior. That's not to dismiss Hicks and Rednecks, many of them there's some of them in this room. but Yeah, I've been to Stoke on Trent The Okaykay, that city That city. if that city was a person person would be a chf. Yeah. Um That antis social behaviour thing was a meme in the UK, probably until the early twenty thousand tw s and then it kind of stopped and it doesn't really exist anymore. And it was a meme of someone saying, The face that I make when I walk past a grandmother walking her small dog in the street to show her that I'm not a chV or a threat I've noticed I bet there's a German word to describe exactly that entire phrase. Correct. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, the Scharden Freud equivalent of whatever it is. There's one of my favorite, it's a Zugruben which is The frustration that migratory birds feel when they are prevented from migrating Of course there's a word for this J It's so good, dude. M must be a nightmare alone Um But yeah, is that Actually, that would be a good example. What are some of the reliable body language signals, behaviors that people put across when they're not a threat Oh, you'll see more open palumps. and typically at naval heights, naval height. And this comes from a friend of mine, Mark Bodden. body language expert We have a show called the Behavior Panel. Have you heard of this on YouTube It's four of us, four body language nerds, nerds. Yeah the what it is. and All of us just nerd out on body language, but we'll take Every week We'll take video and break it down Police body Ce video celebrity video. parents saying their kids missing and'll be like, o, kid might not be missing and like, well, I love this shit,ude And we'll break live with it. This is I'm going to be watching this for the next few weeks. This is my sort of stuff Yeah, it was like we were just doing it during COVID for fun and then we like had a million subscribers in short order and then it was fun for all of us. so we just kept doing it What was your question? Non threatening behavior because grandma walking down the street doing the Yeah, I think And this, you know, they did research on that in New York Uh and they call it like right after nine eleven These researchers noticed that New Yorkers would greet each other like this. And they call it a shared grief expression because New Yorkers don't talk to each other anyway. so they're like, It was the first time that thing really had That's basically like to New York is kissing. Yeah, That's about as intimate as New York' King. Yeah But Mark Boden has this thing called the truth plane where when we make these gestures that are open palmed We're speaking to somebody and it's kind of at naval. Belly button height. Something Trump does quite a lot. Yeah It makes somebody more likely to trust what we're saying And so like when I'm saying like exposing poemms means that somebody's a little bit more trustworthy I don't mean like, Hey, what's up? Like like they've got cult leader. Yeah, suuper cult leader. This He calls this the ecstatic plane and this is the truth plane down here And he's got some great names for a lot of these. This a rad number of occasions where your hands should be above your shoulders. V's very rat. And he's probably Marks I bet Mark has a list.. I don't know what it is. Yeah But the other ones are just smoothness of movement And is the person performing or just being That doesn't mean they're bad or they're deceptive or anything. but one of the first things I look at when I meet a person is are they Are they in front of their eyes or kind of just jammed back here, wondering what's going on, wondering how they're being perceived? Like are they present in what's going on So when I train people, it's one of the big things is like just pulling their awareness out in front of their eyes so they they' A lot more present, they're here Yeah. What about early warning signs that somebody is a threat or may have aggression. It's so hard to predict, especially if somebody's trying to hide it the train lawforcement in some of these, and it's still very hard to predict. we talked about four different types. There's COPE's concealment oxygenation, preparation, and expenditure, like they're trying to burn off energy in the concealment aspect You really want someone who is concealing their intention. So right before some kind of violent action takes place, they'll break eye contact but keep you in peripheral vision for a prolonged period of time And the second piece of that is you'll see a dominant foot withdrawal. even if they're not going to punch you You're going to see broken eye contact and dominant shoulder either start moving away or dominant foot going back And it's kind of blading the body, but getting kind of prepared for an attack and In America, what we teach the police is that like no one can draw a weapon from concealment without making a ninety degree angle with your body It's like if you're seeing ninet degree angles, they're not can't get a weapon Shell me what you mean. So like if show me where I've got a weapon anywhere you like Well right in front. So I'm hitting ninety degrees just reaching for the weapon, right? So if if I'm talking to somebody who's standing there and I'm a police officer and I see someone quickly move to a ninety degree position, I need to be very focused on's going on. doesn't mean they're drawing a weapon cannot draw a weapon from concealment without this ninety degree phenomenon One of my favorite Insights about blading is from Robin Dunbargh and he has this book called Friends cool thing you can do the next time that you're a party is look at the angle of the feet of men talking to each other and of women talking to each other Women talk perpendicular Tal at one hundred and eighty degrees Yeah feet to feet, straight on Men talk at about one hundred and twenty degrees. They blade is more shoulder to shoulder And if you're a guy, Try the next time that you're talking to some, ideally someone that you don't know suuper well, maybe someone you just met Rotate yourself around to one hundred and eighty degrees and go straight on. You begin to feel this strange spider crawling tickling up because typically the only time that men would have squared up to each other is if they were about to fight. Especially if you're close Like if your distance is like two or three feet and then you have like head on This is why they put bars or mirrors up in bars in in the oldld West men could talk to each other and they were S side by side, but you could still see them in the mirror. That's interesting. And it reduced the bar fights and stuff Why Because you wouldn't misconstrue something that someone had just said. Yeah, so they're not facing each other at all. 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So they were trying to get Australian men to talk about their mental health Australians probably not great at talking about the mental health, men. and they got two times multiplier for putting those two things together. So instead of they tried we werere going to have the also if you think about AA also. largely shoulder to shoulder, although you can go across, but the across is further away than the shoulder So you have intimacy plus directness But with the men's sheds thing, they Heill guys if they got guys together to do something with the front of their brain because John's broken his lawn mower Chris has got the good wrench And Chase has got the hammer and the welding material. After a while, all of these guys would bring the thing in and they'd be working together and I'd be using the wrench and you'd be using the hammer or whate And before long, we'd be talking about the fact that John's marriage is breaking down, or that he doesn't have a good relationship with his kid or whatever it might be. But it was The synopsis was men relate shoulder to shoulder womomen relate face to face and It's interesting, interesting. That's a good one What other sex differences are there in communication? What are the biggest ones? You mentioned that women cover up Like this, certainly the face to face versus shoulder to shoulder thing seems pretty massive. Yeah. What are some of the other interesting ones? Uh And there's two big ones. You know men will most often like reach for the stomach during times of uncertainty So just kind of scratching or adjusting. You've seen the guys on the beach that are like Like how, you know, if somebody looking at me, they'll kind of lean back and like scratching right here Like this like this is all like the, uh L a pacifier for us. A little pacifying behavior and women during the same like period of stress since stress builds up heat And most women have this long hair over their neck. It builds up a heat back here. So you'll see women reach back and lift the hair over their neck for just a second to ventilate that area and they'll do it unconsciously So those are two big ones. What do you think the men's stomach thing is? what's going on there? Well no idea. Soothing behavior. yeah, it's a self soothing behavior I don't know the origin of it or somew It's evolutionary thing. Yeah yeah yeah. Uh Have you seen footage of Wade Wilson on the stand? This is the Dead pool killer Okay, I'm gonna this is cool. You haven't seen this one. Maybe Bing it up. Yeah. Jerry, can you just pull up Deadpool killer sentencing? Is this from the movie, Deadpool? No, so this guy's called Wade Wilson And there's a great you would love this. You guys should actually do if you're still doing the reaction thing, it would be cool for you guys to do a reaction to the Netflix series that's just come out. It's called Worst X ever And a lot of it, at least the two episodes that I saw last week, Wade Wilson's the first one and the character Deadpool R Reynold's character, his real name is Wade Wilson Yeah, here we go. Here we go and it would be only further broken. If it took Wade's last breath That broken system owes Christine and it owes Diane And it owes their families so itsraphy So one thing that you'll see especially in men When you'll see this in women too sometimes, but you'll see it in men is we We talked about like arteries When we want to show defiance and that I'm not scared of you Like if we're about to get in a fight and I'll be like, what And show you a neck? Yeah. So we'll like expose the arteries. Look, you'll see the arms come out like this. I'm no scoutt of you. Yeah So like, I'm exposing arteries and we that neck open Leaning back So this is almost like display of absolute lack of fear. dismiss likeike a challenge. disismissiveness. All right, let's keep going Steve Wilson We would rest So Dd just ask that you colloquy the defendant to ensure that he doesn't want to speak at this hearing? Well, mr. Wilson, you have an opportunity just like during any the other phases of Well let me just finish real quick. An other phases during the case, if you want to address the court, I would permit you to do that. obbviously, everything's recorded But you would have that opportunity if you wish. No one can prevent you from addressing the blank issue. and. No one can make you address the court if you don't want to. So it is a decision that's solely left up to you if you want to address the court or not. Not today.ater will I come back? I will All right, pause that. Okay So what you saw like right before he was talking, you saw the lip licking. that's the hygienic gesture to improve his appearance You didn't see him lean forward or anything. He's trying to maintain some kind of control in the situation. He probably thrives on a lot of autonomy and just knowing that he's kind of self governing a little bit You didn't see him blaking at all during that process One of the interesting things about blinking is And I don't talk about bodylam with Jen Moore in podcasts. I usually talk about DMT and all that kind of stuff That's episode two. episode two. Blinking is one of the most reliable body language indicators ever studied and it's cool because we spend our time looking at people's eyes throughout our conversation Let me show you this one like just a badass trick. I think it's badass The average blinks per minute of human beings in conversation is around fifteen, give or takeicke Teeen blinks a minute If we are in a situation that is stressful, Without even noticing it, our blink rate can go up to like eighty five ninety And we don't even notice that our blinking has changed It's insane Like when I took like the math portion of my SATs I suck at math, so I was probably at like a ninety What happens when our Our body gets focused in on something that's important. we' watching a movie that's super interesting. Our blink rate without noticing can go down to like a two So stress increases how often we blink And it's not relaxation that lowers it, it's focus So if you see these psychopaths that are doing these interviews like Manson and they's just doing this to the interviewer and his eyes are open the whole time and he doesn't blink at all the whole time That's focus notot relaxation. Th those are very different things. Like when I watch the movie Interstellar One of my favorite movies. I probably My favorite movie of all time. Mine too Id probably blink three or four times. It's a long movie too. It is. three and a half hour movie I own the Teserk from that movie that was built by Kip Thorne What do you mean? I'll have to send you a photo of it. Like the model that they use for the Teseract of the moon. bookcase. No, no, like the entire Tesaract is like you can use binoculars and look down into this thing for like thirty miles I'll see your picture of it. Unrail. so interesting, me, you weren't expecting this, Love Island reference Um, Interstellar came out just before I went on this reality TV show. and while I was on there, I was desperately trying to hold on to anyone that wanted to talk about Nodody shit with me. And I managed to grab one of the other cast members and go and have a conversation with him. And I remember I was talking about the real science of interstell because Kipsone released that book. He was a consultant physicist on it. and then U Brian Cox did his live show And the background of Brian Cox's live show was made by the same people that modeled Gargantua It was the black hole So that's a real fully appropriately modeled using physics of the world and the universe Yeah black hole. And I went to go and see him after I got back with in Leeds. And it was the coolest thing. And I just remememberered that. that really sticks with me the fact that I was trying to have this conversation from memory about the physics of interstellar as a non physics person that's only seen interstellar once. And I remember whoever's listening on this Is someone listening to your mic twenty four hours a day when you do these reality TV shows. And I remember thinking, whoever, do you ever poor bastard been cursed with listening to me try and hard memory my way through this physics lesson is u destin for challenges you're miked up all day twenty four hours yeah, and if you get up and go to the bathroom in the middle of the n they want to one you put your mic on. you have a little Oh necklace kind of like this, but it's made of elastic And then a battery pack in your pocket. there's a little wire that runs up and over. You you ever farred into them on purpose? 'use you know The guys did sorts. Yeah.'s You just whisper stuff, becausecause you know that you're being listened to twenty hours a day. there's one person on each audio channel. So these guys are on Well you have one human dedicated to your mic. Exactly. Yeah on eight hour shifts, one, two, three, one, two, three, one, two, three, rotating. and I came out We were three weeks in and that was the end of my time there. Is this like a survor? I'm sorry I didn't know. Imagine survivor, but for fuck boys That's basically what it is. It' Navy seal Hell weeeks for people who you don't want your daughter to get married to. Okay I came out and had these two guys come up to me and they said, Chris, you don't know us, you don't know who we are. We've been listening to you. Eight hours a day. for the last three weeks And I just wanted to ask, what was the name of that book about the physics thing to do with the to do with the movie that you' listening to Its like, fuck like that was I wasn't cama. I mean, you're always on camera, but there was just some wanky conversation between me and Jordan one of the other guys And and like Oh shit, you really were listening out the whole thingcause for the rest of it I' talking, you know bullshit, but the one time had an interesting conversation guys was like, what' the book the name of the boook? was it Keith Thorne? So the guy that did the thing? Wow. So yeah, pretty cool. The fact that we have this insight into how other people behave through their eyes, especially given that's where we're typically luck is I suppose the problem is in order to be a good detector of body language eye movement you need to not only doing your part of the communication and thinking about what your But you also need to be doing the detecting thing at the same time It's twice as hard Now for the most part, I think You I don't know whether an untrained person would pay that much attention, conscious attention to how the interlocutor is behaving unless they were to do something out of the ordinary. Like if I do this, you're like, fuck are you doing? Yeah. But if my breath rate increases or my blink rate changes or whatever, beyond the subperceptible instinctive just something is going on sense that I might have training that in requires double the RM I'm not just projecting, I'm now detecting too. It does for a minute That's why I tes able to just do one or two things at a time And if you're just an everyday guy and you're not in hostage negotiations all the time. you only need about three or four things to look for And you only need to learn them one at a time. When I'm like watching somebody's blink rate, I I'm not sitting there Chris is Blinkw's now a thirty three noted It's just every once a while, I'll check in on that And if you're a good conversationalist goal should be can I lower our blink rate? If we start our conversation And I'm interesting to you, my goal should be like, oh, I'm watching your blank rate go down over time But if you're talking to somebody, let's say you're in sales and you see all of a sudden, you mention the terms of the agreement, you mentioned the APR interest or something. you see blink rate go up Now it's a beneficial item And if you're watching somebody pit you and you're in some private capital firm, whatever they call that And you're seeing blink rate at the moment of discussion of finances or the moment they're discussing how many prospective customers they're going to have or something like that? those are important data points. But if you're on a date change the subject M Yeah They were engaged. No they're a little bit more uncomfortable. Yeah. And then something stresseding them out. Maybe you talked about one thing and some unrelated thing popped up in their head, which happens to all of us J just changed the t. They got distracted. Yeah. ye. But also that means that you're maybe not being as engaging as you could do. Exactly. Yeah. yeah. ye.'re either, I don't like what you're talking about or I don't care what you're talking about, but either way They'd be good to bring them back in What are the uh biggest misconceptions we have about reading others, some of the falsehoods lies about human behavior. I think number one is is that there's one behavior that means one thing all the time. There's a few exceptions like blink right Uh is it is a difference? But then somebody's like, Oh, what if I have asthma ike, then then it won't be a change. It'll be your baseline. What does astha have to do with your blink, right? Like allergies and stuff. So like if they're blinking fast the whole time, then who cares? that That's your baseline U there's a few very, very few exceptions, but when you hear like this means that somebody's being deceptive because they scratch their nose or Somet like that. I think it's one of the biggest misconceptions Another is certainty people you'll hear body language experts all the time're like, Absolutely, this person's lying. You can tell because he did this and this at the same time Like I' I feel irresponsible ever saying that My eyeballs are more accurate than a N like a polygraph That seems silly to me So I think it it's a likelihood game I think we should be honest that it's a likelihood game. No matter how good you are, U I don't think any behavior expert in the world can still spot a psychopath Even though there's all this training out there on how to do that kind of stuff. whyy The signals are hidden They've spent a lifetime hoding. composure and deception and decepting just being decepted with their face and their expressions and their breathing and all that kind of stuff. Most of the time doing it unconsciously. And presumably ye, exactly. presumably that would be so idiosyncratic for that one person as well Where did their psychopathy come from? What are their patterns? What are they trying to hide? What have been their experiences in the past What have been their tells and then what have been their compensations for their tells that now result in this behavior Yeah And you know what, I want to bring up, Jared, can you Search on YouTube Danny Treo T R. E J O U Charles Manson. So this is a clip from the pod. and this is interesting for you given that you talked about drugs This is interesting around hypnosis So Danny Treo, the Hollywood actor with the massive chess tattoo, big sort of cholo dude. Oh yeah, ye. Yeah. Machete, that guy. He did he like a really nice guy in real lifex dude Second dude. Yeah, yeah. I had a great conversation with him a few years ago So you met Charles Manson in prison, didn't you? What was that story? Can you tell us that? county. But let me tell Charlie wasn't the guy wasn't Charlie that you saw on the TV specials? All right? He was a God, he was like five foot four, five foot five. A little scrawny He was T were kind of like a bum really. he he had a he had a H a string For a belt, he tied his pants with a string because he could afford a billt You know, and and everybody else, we dressed Cool, Iiron a pen and And so theough Some of the prisoners were going to take advantage of't because they take advantage of anybody' small end up We found out that he could hypnotize you. so we He let him sleep in front of our cell. So You know, to make sure that nobody had hurard him and And you got us loaded on W E. Three of the guys in this cell. Everybody else had like six guys in their cell. We only had three ' We were special. I had two killers with me, so So and then And then he got us load on a week. and I said, well, get us loaded on heroin. So the three of us tried to get lo he got two of us loaded on their own. One guy just woke up and afterwards I asked him How come how come you couldn't do him? And he says Never did it before. Did you ever get loaded on heroin there? No Your mind doesn't know how to work You understand your mind doesn't know how to react If I tell you do something while you're hypnotized and you haven't done it before or you don't know how to do it You'd wake up And That's what ke out So yeah, he hypnotized Danny's fucking trio his two cellmates But one of the dudes hadn't done Heroin before. and Danny goes on to say that when you do heroin Apparently throw up, it's quite likely that you're going to throw up at some point And Danny and the other gu that had done it through up and the dude that hadn't didn' This is the thing This is a real thing for some things, like ute and I I'm a hypnotist and that was just part of learning all of this brain stuff. I went to many different hypnosis schools and trainings and stuff. I don' I don't think that you could do it with like mushrooms. or LSD or anything like that because it's such a brain connective and massively immersive experience too complex to replicate. Yeah, like if Alcohol, you could get someone drunk very easily uh, on hypnosis heroin, maybe, like you're kind of creating some of that euphoria But initially you want to create the negative conditions of The thing first So your body believes that it's possible and your brain's easier at connecting or at making bad shit happen vomiting. Yeah It's way easier for your brain to default to negative. This is why your ancestors would always confuse a A bear for a rock and not a rock for a bear mayaybe the other way around. but So you get the negative thing first and then your brain's like, wow, this is really easy then once you do that, you're like, this time you're not gonna to have this negative thing, but you have all the other positive benefits of this There's a guy In the nineteen eighties, I can't remember his name And maybe I think it was Marshall Silver I think it was him. But there was this program called Drug of Choice where you could order a audio tape And you can order like the marijuana audio tape. And if you've ever done it before, like it will kind of recreate that experience of that drug. I've never tried or anything, but it absolutely is possible Going back to the deception detecting stuff, what's the best way to get the truth out of someone quickly In what situation Normal conversation between you and someone that you think is being deceptive. It's cordial, notot going to do anything too nefarious How do you get the truth out of someone? It socialize, minimize, rationalize, and project. Let me say Chris, look I know that I think everybody's going to understand if something happened, I think everybody's going to understand and I promise you, it's not a big deal to me. that's minimized And it makes perfect sense. everythingthing lined up the way it did and should happen the way it did. It's not a big deal. And frankly, it wasn't your fault. These people kind of put this in front of you or this thing happened or you downloaded that app and you didn't know what it was. I think everything's completely fine. but the one thing that's always been important to you and me is our friendship And I don't want to lose that then Hopefully you ask them ask him the question again A the end of it. I wonder what it is Each stage I'm trying to think about if it was me what I'm trying to hold ono. what it is that I'm grasping for. And I think Part of it is It feels like Tredading water and someone throwing you a lifeline so that you're less alone and the discomfort and the loss The confusion of trying to hold this thing together. someone sees Someone sees why I did this thing And it's not that big of a deal anyway I' to admit it but they're there with me I think a lot of it is around I'm not going to have to bear this burden alone Anmore. Yeah trying to sort of feel what comes up as your Yeah role playing this bike steering. Yeah, those are the big those are the four reasons that your brain will kind of resist telling The truth. peopleople won't understand This is a huge deal. It doesn't make sense why I did this and it's all my fault. So I just want to alleviate those four things. Yes. Yes, as this is possible. Yes The alleviation Why can't people relax? What's the truth about emotional debt I've heard you talk about this. Dude. This is a big one I think This goes back to what we talked about at the very beginning was people carrying around shame and Everybody thinks that they're the only one If we're really, really honest with ourselves, like We walk around every day. We have this we conceal shame because there are a lot of institutions that are around today that have made shame into an institution Like social enforcement and shame Everyone thinks it's just me. O one hiding the shit from everybody else If If I start becoming real, everyone everyone's going to leave me. I'm going to be abandoned by my friends. I'm going get outcast and judged. I have to keep hiding this Everyone thinks it's just them The cool thing is that it's literally one hundred percent of people. It's every single human being. is out there carrying the exact same shit as you And they all think it's just them That's the it's saddening, but I think it's beautiful at the same time that we all we really do share a lot more in common, especially with the things that we hide from each other, then we're then a lot of us would be willing to admit When we encounter like emotional debt This is typically when I'm a little kid What are the patterns I had to develop to earn friends and keep friends feel safe or to attain some kind of social reward, like appreciation or love or something like that. If something in my childhood made one of those three things happen, friends, safety and rewards Th that that The brain says, Oh, this worked. I'm gonna to make an app out of this shit So your brain makes an app and says, I know exactly how to produce this thing. So I'm going to make an app. And I'm going to run that app all the time. For the first couple of years, it's an app that you're consciously clicking on in social situations. And by the time you're like probably twelve or thirteen That's solidified in your behavior And then fast forward, you've got a thirty four year old woman working in an office who had to kiss some bully's ass in middle school, and that's all she does as an adult. We carry all these little childhood things without knowing it, like which's this loaded childhood backpack gone from being an app to being source code. Yeah, beautifully said. Yes And we carried into adulthood without knowing and We don't you can look at just about any adult in the world and say You know, if we went back in time, what did you do to do friends, safety and rewards back in childhood Th then you say, Oh, you came to me for help with this X,Y Z thing Look at your eight year old self. Let's go back in time and take a look at them Um, and then you're like Wow That's it. I mean, that's all I was trying to do That is emotional debt. and every time we're not dealing with a lot of that stuff directly everyvery time we hide it from someone else, we're withdrawing from account and we're We're kind of overdrafting everything in our life Concealment is is one of the most exhausting cognitively exhausting things that there is when it comes to human behavior. Concealment is more mentally taxing than doing calculus just trying to act like you've got your shit together in a social situation like faking it hard is harder than calculus to our brains. So Fuck. that's It sucks that I mean, a lot of us are paying this emotional debt and I think that's it. It's like the costume is heavy. The costumes that we're wearing just get heavier and heavier because we keep adding stuff on it And a lot of us by the time we hit eighteen, nineteen years old, we're like a decorator crab You know, I've kind of You know what a decorator Krab is Can we bring up a picture of a decor crab So these crabs will go around their whole life and find shit on the beach and like stick it and like gllue it onto their shells somehow protection Ornaments Maybe distraction, mayaybe like a mating ornament. I don't know why they do it Yeah, and they'll decorate their bodies with all kinds of crazy stuff they do that by hand and it's not part of their at all. So that looks like it's picked up sea urchin spikes, maybe. and stuck it on somehow. If we go back to the search and go one to the right of that image Right there That guy found some fruit loops or something down there on the ocean So they just stick little barnacles and stuff all over their bodies and we're kind of like this. We go through life and we're like, you know what? I'm going That guy did this one thing to protect himself. I'm going to stick that on. So we're walking around with all of this stuff on us that's not us at all. It's not me And then we go back to that thing like we originally talked about, it's like I have to go my whole life knowing that no one's ever known me And that sucks And that's emotional debt How do you advise people to process emotions so that it doesn't get deposited into the bank account or used to withdraw from the bank account? I think physicality is the best. There's a guy. hisis name is Dror David Bruslli And he invented this thing called trauma well discovered. this thing called trauma release exercise. Do It's been known that we go into these things called neurogenic tremors all the time. where our body looks like kind of like a little seizure where there's little tremors going through your body But if you watch like a polar bear get tranquilized by some researcher they and they It's like a paralytic, a tranquilizer. Polar bears is like laid out on the ground. but he's conscious Lsike, can you imagine how terrifying it's like worse than an alien abduction. That's likei an abduction for us This polar rg goes through trauma and what it's the first thing that happens the The anesthesia thing starts wearing off And his body goes into these convulsions and shaking movements and big breaths. and it's all completely autonomic He's not really consciously controlling any of it. He's just letting his body do what it does Squirls do the same thing. After an impala gets bit by a tiger seems do the same Yeah, zebras. And Robert Sapolski wrote a book about a lot of this stuff about how nature knows what to do. It doesn't suppress healing mechanisms. It's called why Zebras don't get Ulcers But they figured out the humans suppressed this tremor mechanism Why do you think that is to avoid being seen as strange by the people around us? This is an indication of weakness I was bothered. Yeah, I think you hit the nail perfectly in the head there Like there's some weird if I jiggle around on the floor in front of the tribe, they're going think I'm sick. What if they throw me over the cliff like old Jimmy last year when he was sick? you know? Well, if nothing else, even if they correctly identify it, they don't think that you've got leprosy or you've gone insane. what they do know is that your capacity has been breached Yeah your nervous system's ability to withstand this was taken over the edge. You overclocked your you overclocked by somebody else, which is a indication of weakness. Yeah It's so true But he basically, he's not teaching you a technique, he's just helping you to find the switch in your body that you've been suppressing your entire life and We had to do it after a deployment Oh that I was I did twenty years in the military. So get a bunch of deployments But one of theseppointments we came back was rough But we had to go through this trauma releasing exercise. It' a different under a different brand name um, than this Dr. Bercelli. But it was mayaybe the most profound emotional transformation I've ever made in my life other than psychedelics It's unbelievable. And its your body knows how to do it. Every mammal on Eth does this automatically And it is life changing and it's free It's totally free. You go on YouTube and learn how to do it. and's it's unbelievable. Every mammal does it And during this lady' presentation to us when we got back from Dlant She says raaise your hand if you' ever seen a depressed squirrel. or azebra. Like a zebra doesn't get bit by a crocodile and go back to his tribe be like, G, is that a shit day? I need to curl up under that tree for like nine days and people need to bring me food. That doesn't happen someomehow they're overstuff a lot quicker than we get overstuffed. even though we make more meaning about the situation than the zebras do. How do you come to think about the role of shame in people's lives I think shame has been institutionalized. On purpose by many different places And we learn as we're little kids, like if I feel shame about something I need to conceal it and I've learned a new part of me. that I can wall off and I don't need to show anybody So if I'm ashamed at anything It doesn't make shame doesn't make you a good person And I think a lot of people think that if I feel ashamed about something that makes me moral, that makes me good as a human being. It doesn't, It just ruins your life. It doesn't make you a good person London interesting thing from Rob Heerson what that he was reading taught. Somebody's guilt seems to be proportional to their perceived likelihood of being caught Someone's guilt, the amount of guil that you feel tends to be proportional to How likely you perceive it that you're going to be caught for whatever you're guilty about? Wow. That's really good. Isn't that fascinating? Yeah. that our level of guilt for something that we know we can't be caught for is so much less. Now, obviously the scales have a bunch of different things going on here. So on one side there might be the severity of what you did you know, you could, u kill somebody and immediately get them watch them be eaten by an alligator hole or a python or something and you go, well, there's no chance, but it's such a huge transgression of what your typical behavior would be that that's something that you would take very badly. or you could have something that's much smaller has a much high likelihood of getting caught You know, you threw chewingum down, but you threw it down right at the teacher's feet and you don't know if he saw or not and that would be a big deal And then there's sort of everything in between. Those are the two that's the spectrum of crime, by the way. There's chewing g and kill killing someone. those are the two ends. The Overton window of crime. I just love that idea that the level of guilt that we feel about anything that we've done, You it's not just the severity of whatever it is. It's not just your conscious consciousness coming in, saying like that was not your best self speaking or acting or whatever How likely is it that I think that I'm going to be caught And as that gets closer and closer and closer Your level of guilt increases Uh, you know, was thinking about And with the Epstein files The day that the Epstein files came out What We saw a lot of people get real quiet. while they're waiting. to see what was released Well, if you think about what that day must have been like for those people. Horrible h kking certainly not going to chuck it up. If you're a zebra, you're going home and telling your I had a shit day today. I got the equivalent of bit on the ass by an alligator, but it happened in the Court of public opinion However In some ways, the concealment that was being paid, you know your nam'es in them You know your names in them? You know that there are being investigations and releases are happening. And yeah, I mean, you could hope. This is something else, I somethingving this conversation last night You don't need karma to deliver spiritual justice,? All that karma is is someone repeating their patterns and behaviors enough times until reality finally gives them what they deserve. So imagine that you're a bad person. You treat most people that you interact with poorly You screw them over in one form or another, maybe the same way, maybe in different ways The only way that you make it to the end of your life. without coming to the surface is by basically beating the odds. Right? You've stacked the deck against yourself And what you're hoping is that you can somehow sort of you know Tipk Ctain Sparrow dance your way through this minefield Yeah and avoid all of the different trip wise and get to the other side. and Fuck, I did it. Yeah, and then you die or whatever Um, that sense that a lot of people have of a person fucking They're just desserts. likeike how the like how has nobody cottoned on to this thing that I think that I see about this person And maybe you're right, let's assume that you're right about your character assessment about this person, that they're a bad person in the stuff to have gotten to them What someone is doing is basically stacking against the deck against themselves. presuming that you've got a relatively functioning Ccience that Yeah sealment burden is going to start to stack up and stack up and stack up. And especially if you know that there's an investigation coming and that people are getting closer and maybe the guilt, So yeah, some people sure they bad people who make it to the end of their life without having been rumbled But the only way that they did that was basically through l flooped their way through this lotck to make it to the end of It was just rare Most people end up getting what they deserve. My mentor used to call that that person is safe as full Like they've locked up a whole other stuff, you know, it's just it's ready to bust open. And they're easier to get to confess, they're easier to do all kinds of stuff because their safe is so full That concealment burden is high level of emotional stress, ambient emotional stress also high And the need to release that pressure the release Falth thing Yeah. And that's not even the economic pressure around the world. That's the emotional pressure inside. And we get to choose the release valve form What we've spoken about to do with shame and childhood patterns related to the trauma triangle, is that all wrapped up inside of that? I think it might be. I don't know. I don't think we know shit about consciousness And there's so many people who have so much certainty that I would be embarrassed showing that level of certainty about, oh, this is exactly how the brain works. I've studyied neuroscience for nine years. We have zero ue how the brain works. We don't know where memories are stored. We don't even know what they're made of And like they're doing all these experiments now that showing that Consciousness might be non local I think you've had a few people on. Punyists. Yeah. It just looks like it starts that's starting to explain a whole lot of stuff that we were calling anomalies that just might not be an anomaly Rupert Sheld Drake is one of these guys. Friend of the show. Yeah Dude I love that guy so much. Morphic Resonance is such a fucking cool idea, man. Like what's interesting to me stuff like the Danny Treo thing is a good example of that, but that's story based? Stories stick with you for a good while. If you hear about a dude that was a famous cult leader and a guy that's a famous movie actor Be in jail together, wearing a rope around his waist, getting loaded on heroin through hypnosis. I'll forget my children's names before I forget R on my deskbed. Yeah Um The Shelldrake thing with the morphic resonance Dogs are able to detect when their owners are coming home, even when they alter the vehicle and the time and the mode of transport and the person and they go to the window, the Did you see the one about is it starlings dunking their heads into glass milk bottles? Did you ever learn this one? No. This is fucking crazy. Let me hear.. Um There was a type of bird that existed I want to say in in the UK during World War II. before World War I and The glass milk bottles that would be put out by the milkman on everyone's front doorstep. Did that ever happen in the U.S? Yeah, I think beforefore. Do have a Milkman? Yeah. Okay, that exists. Okay, I have dude, I don't know about this country. It's like three seconds old. I want a millennia old country like mine anyway. I like this place. I spent too much time in a Costco this morning And there was a glass bottle that you would leave out and it would have a foil lid and the foil coloring on the lid would be seemi skimmed, full fat, gold top, whatever. And birds had realized that they could P is the foil tony sin. and they could stick their beaks in and they could drink the top filtering of this thing And you would often, apparently, because if you've ever put your finger into a corona to shove a lime down weirds it. Fuck him st Like you really need to wiggle it to get it out. And a lot of the time people would arrive at their front doorstep and just see an upended bird It's like a Molotov cocktail, but it's got a sparrow sticking out the top of. in light that has U and then during World War two, All of that stopped because of the Battle of Britain and the blackout there when no milk Deliveries So that meant that all of the birds stop to learn this thing. for generations of birds. to learn this thing And then when it came back, it'd taken a long time for this to be developed and they'd done a statistical analysis of this, Ruperts guys had done a statistical analysis of this I know As soon as the Milkman began doing it again immmediately, a generation of birds that had never seen a milkmen and never seen milk bottles. started doing it straight away And you've seen this stuff where they teach mice to solve a maze in LA. and mice that are in New York are able to solve the maze more quickly. Yeah Wh which is insane. And there's a ten year old boy in Japan, ten years old There was the first in the world, just recently, maybe this year proved that a butterfly retains the memory of its ancestors And a butterfly memory also survives caterpillar metamorphosis because it's fully liquidized Yeah. Caterpillar going to a butterfly is completely liquidized. Yeah. And the memory goes through not just generations, but goes through the entire Chrysalis phase of butterfly, whatever that's called transformation. How did the ten year old boy prove it? Lavender So when they're caterpillars He gives them a tiny little shock But the boy was so kind that he shocked them on his own arm So he could feel it too with the caterpillars because he didn't want to give them too much But he exposed him to lavender and to shock at the same time. over and over and over you know, three times a day, maybe per caterpillar. Little electric shock Yeah, but it's like a large like a tenens unit pad, but it's like that big. I saw it and he put it on his arm and he gently folded over it because he didn't want to hurt the caterpillar You know, we consider them as friends It's not like this modern scientists who would just, yeah, let's torture his ass. So this is Pavlovian. Yeah. And then when they become butterflies, he builts this tube that's a Y shape. So they fly down this thing and they've got this fork in the road with sugar water at the end of both, and one of them has a little cotton ball that has lavender on it and he proved that these butterflies that he had trained, the caterpillar went straight off to the right away from the lavender because they had it associated with negative memory. and their children did the same or their offspring did the exact same thing Have you read irreducible Federico Fhagjine, What's up It's just it's kind of an argument against materialist reductionism. And you're familiar with the concept of it's basically like if there's a Let's say, like Chris, let's go understand music. We're going to go understand music. We have five hundred years to figure this out So we go to the fhill harmonic and all the instruments are out there Were like, you know what we're gonna do first Let's chop this cello over there into six thousand pieces. Study it for ten years under a microscope And we understand music zero. But we've broken everything down into its tiny little parts And then finally Somebody says, we've had a massive breakthrough. We found the sheet music in the front of the orchestra And then the lead scientist is like Good. cut it up Put it under the microscope. And then we're like, this sheet music makes the music. So of course we can just put it under the microscope and I don't know why, but this music looks like paper It doesn't look like music So The argument is like if we keep just breaking things down into elements, we're missing the the substance of what's really there He's familiar with Daniel Schmachtenberger, Do you know who that? No a surname that you don't forget. He's been on the show twice now and he's got great talk on emergence. I'm going to send it to you. It's a little bit It's very dense actually. Um I fell in love with this guy's thinking. He's been a good friend ever since. He's got this idea basically, which is kind of basic, right? that there can be combinations of things that allow properties to emerge that individually do not Right? You know this if you put sodium in water or whatever and you get a particular like an interesting reaction But the same thing is true With regards to what you're saying here, they're analyzing things in isolation explain what happens when they come together And the inverse of this, which I first heard from him, but then Nval reused was human beings locally reverse entropy locally reverse entropy, the entire universe aiming toward entropy we locally reverse it for a brief time Ultimately, the universe is going to win Right? The battle is ours, but the war is always going to be theirs. Yeah. its I just love that I love that idea. I love the idea that we locally reverse entropy. It is really cool Beautif And I mean, it's like somebody studying DMT. And saying, oh yeah, it activates a receptor on your five HT two A serotonum receptor Yeah, ye, that's what's made our ancestors see the exact same thing for four thousand five hundred years. That's what creates the entities, you It's silly to think that we can really comprehend everything. We can't even define or understand consciousness And we're like, oh yeah, it's a receptor activator. It's a receptor agonist and I just think that There's way too much certainty about this stuff. We need more scientists just finishing a few sentences with as far as we know If we just had that, a little bit more of as far as we know I think science would advance a lot faster because it's dogmatic at this point. I want to talk about the DNT stuff. I feel like there's a million things to get into that we haven't, but Let's let's bring this one into Land here because this has been really, really fascinating What's this new show where you told your team if we don't get death threats within the first six months, we're not doing our job. I, uh The origin of this is I took an aeroll one morning. Great start to a day and uh one I got distracted doing some work and I was like shit, I didn't take it at all. and then I took another one which I've never done is that my brain was not prepared for this. And I also do it a little daily microdse action and All that mixed together and I was just sitting there at my desk or going through emails or something. I was like, you know what? Rndomly, I was like, I need to start TV station And I did. That does sound like the sort of thing someone who's taken two tabs of aderol and some mushrooms would come up with. Yeah. And I was like, you know what? I could beat Fuckx. I could be I could beat mainstream news. So We buil and own a television studio now and we have a daily news show that's about to start coming out. maybe by the time this is released, we'll have a video out. It was called Station One on YouTube. We have One or two videos out, but we're gonna start daily news And we're also going to every every day, you'll get the news You also get How everything that you're You're being shown as different stories are actually connected. All of the Cyops layers with actual registers and receipts for every single thing of how The news is being used to frame a narrative, all of that will be made public And then every single day on the news we'll tell you in the next seventy two hours, here's what to look out for. If you see these three words in a bill that Congress passes at like two AM, you need to watch out for this thing. If this oil company invests in this one thing in the next four days, you need to watch out for this. This is probably going to happen So every single day it should feel And we follow the format of the Pident's daily brief from the Director of the CIA And that's the daily news. It's like the president's daily brief exact format And I think it's going to be good. I think people are going to like it and there's no narrative. There's no left and right politics, which doesn't really exist Uh, And I think I think it's going to be pretty cool He here. Chase Hughes, ladies and gentlemen, Chase, you're awesome man. I'm looking forward to speaking to you next time. Me too. Thanks Chris. All right See you next time, everyone There. Fucking crushed it So good. I man. A appreciate it Some follow the noise Bloomberg follows the money Because behind every headline is a bottom line