Legacy And Future Goals

Welcome backack to Life, dude Well, I've been I've been living again for quite a while now june twenty eighth was actually the D I got this transplant last year. so coming up on a year for that. I think I believe I woke up on july second or somewhere around there or you know came to in my own mind. U So yeah, it's their process but I'm here. I'm getting better and life iss pretty good So one year ago from now you were really in the shit I just made a post yesterday because on june sixth, which was two days ago Saturday I got inducted in National Resident Hall of Fame I wnder at home or we at to hotel with my wife, I said Did not get airlifted in june sixth last year. So last year on june sixth I was in Vegas and I went first first hospital, second hospital, and then we had some friends that came out that were When was the doctor and was the nurse and they said, you ain't he's not going to make to this hospital P It's called CVI toU. Cardodaspco intensit care unit and they they got me a flight, they put me on a plane. took my way back and I said to my wife, well, why was that such a bad day? Be I don't remember I was sleeping As she said U And then when I got back to Milwaukee, they put me on ECMo and with ECMo There's I think there's only like a forty percent chance you come off EMo. why people will go on it don't come off it. So they're hoping I wouldn't have to do that I did have to do that. So june sixth last year Although I don't remember it was quite eventful. And then this year you got to celebrate. So it's, you know, it's full circle. For the people who don't know what we're talking about, could you Could you explain What's happened over the last twelve months? Yeah. Well, may twenty eighth last year, twenty twenty five U I went to the hospital. I actually worked hosital on the day before also may twenty seventh, my back was hurtting. Just a back pain. I thought it was a back spasm. That was it, you know And on may twenty seventh, I tested everything was normal. did all the vitals. And I told my wife, See, I told you it was just a back spasm And the doctor gave me medicine for apasm and I went back to the hotel. We were at the Coint conference and it got worse and the medicine did not work at all, which that hass never happened You know, a handful are the vax spees of IP and invest is really good It just got worse and worse and worse. And then you know, I was upmost of the night trying to make it feel better And when I woke up in the morning, so sometime middle night I'd finally fallen asleep When I woke up in the morning, was a little bit later and she had been videotaping me sleeping And she said to a few of her doctor friends and they said, you could get him to the hospital as soon as you can So when I woke up, what was happening while you was sleeping I was like super like super fast and hard breathing. Um, and when I will go My mife was like, Hey, we're going to the hospital. And I said, Dude, you be going you may be possibly I say, I'm not going back to the hospital, damn it , you know, I got stuff I want to do today I don't want to the hospital And It was the same place as the day before We went there and I remember walking in waiting room and then That's it. I don't remember anything. I woke up in july second, I didn't know where I was. I didn't know why I was there. I don't remember anything. I was in sleep for I want to say it was thir I think it was thirty seven days, I believe Steve you transported from Kind of being a bit irritated that you were back at the same hospital for what you thought might be a backs sppasm for the second time and your wife being a little bit overbearing to now it's July and what the fuck am I Oh and I'm in A totally different I mean, a totally different hospital now. Well I woke up and it was what you know, I say wake up. I was awake sometimes, but I u To my recollection, I don't recall any of it, nothing. And so when I like wake up the first time or when I come to some type of cognitive understanding of what's going on. it was the middle of the night. It was dark obbviously quickly realized I was in a hospital and I started thinking like how did I end up here? Why am I here? I didn't remember going anything How am I here? Why am I here and then I couldn't speak at all. and so I don't even recall how it happened. but For some way I you know, signal to the nurse like why am I here? What am I doing? And they told me I had a double lung transplant and You know, again, I couldn't talk and it was like, okay, why do I have a double lung transplant? I have I don't know. I have no idea what how that would happen. I'm totally healthy. I've never smoked. I've never done anything U, And then eventually my wife came in the morning, whatever the, you know, the next morning or whatever And she had documented everything. So it was like a day by day journal. of, you know, June second, this happened, June fourth this happened. n had to read through it. and I was like, oh my Godd What? likeike how did this ever happen Um, and yeah, so that was kind of my recollection of waking up and kind of figure out what wass going on. Rrospectively, I know that you weren't awake to be able to work out this from a first person view Yeah you go into the waiting room and then what happens from there Um Well, so I had a stap infection on my elbow I don't know if you've ever got one or not, but you, sometimes all my life, I've only had to get on an antibiotic a singular time m, you know, you get a cut, you get a little infected, you puts man of bacterial on there, you wash, you shower, you clean it, and it goes away. and that was what happened to me. I had a little infection on my elbow, I washed it showered, I had soaked it, I antedibterial. And within a couple of days. It was gone and I didn't think much of it, you know And then I made no connection, but about four days later my back was started hurting. and I thought Okay, this is the back sppasm And everyone always said, you would do it differently. And I said, no, I wouldn't whoever could guess Oh yeah, my back hurts because my body's eating my lungs from the insy Like no one's ever heard of that tootally ridiculous So the staff got it in my blood And it turned into a nerult called necrotyping pneumonia. in which my body was essentially eating my lungs from the inside out. That was what the back pain was deal with that provote. five days before I end up in hospital And then as we went I was in the hospital, it was like really bad like sepsis and necrotizing pneumonia Um And yeah, so they they tried doing all they could to kind of like save my lungs and and keep me alive. and at some point it became the only way I was going to stay alive was to have a lung transplant, which, you know, again, was't awake for any of this. U And so I believe I was in the Milwukee hospital for about three weeks before that happened. and then I got the lungs transplant and I think I was still kind of like unconscious for about more days after that And then I woke up and there I was me W Where'd you get lungs from? That's I said U I I don't know. I actually wrote the donor family. The donor family has not responded ious Is the two from the same person? Yes, ye. can't you can't mix and match two lungs Oh, I actually think you can No, I know you can because I talked to a guy in the hospital about it. You know, and this one is where u You think about life and you think about gratitude and You never want to take anything to for granted And I always think about the people I meet in the hospital now, this is a while ag going our pipe Four months ago but I was in for one of my kind of routine checkups and this guy comes up to me You know,m I'm waiting to go inside the you know, to meet the doctors. And so a the st similar type of people in the similar area. So he had a lung transplant And you know, I think, okay I was I was unconscious for thirty six days and I was in the hospital for I think it was seventy three total or something, which is quite a long time. and it wasn't fun But then this guy was in the hospital for nine months And he was sick and he got a double lung transplant And then almost immediately, one of the two lungs rejected. I don't know why or I'm not a medical doctor. I couldt what happened And he got a different l from a different person And he is now living with two new lungs from two different people So I always I always try to reflect on Yes, my situation was tough, but it could always be tougher and At the end of the day, I could always not be here. so grracefuls for what happens. Wh do they? How do the lungs come out cut you right I don't if you guys can see this but right there? Yeah, yeah, yeah. They splitch you right in half. Yeah. So they're not taking it from under they're not reaching under the rib cage and pulling it down. Are they cracking the rib cage open You know, you know what, Chris? I've never had the balls to go look exactly how they do it. No way. No I don't just did want to know I don't it's called the well, I mean, you can Google go lookook it up if you want to call the clam selling. Clam shell incision is what it's called U I can see exactly where I've been cut. I know what it feels like Um But no I've never had the balls to go look up and see exactly how they open you up Nolly. I guess I feelt like that gross me out little too much. Yeah, maybe, maybe I suppose. Well I guess what's crazy is like they're going have they have to reattach it's like it's like basically plumbing. It's human plumbing You're like reattaching or human AC AC ducting, maybe more accurately. It's like, o, there's a pipe that comes down. We're got to get rid of this pipe. That pipe needs to be reconnected I mean, I don't know how again, if you haven't done your research, haven't done your research I want to know how When you're removing somebody's lungs, I need to know how they keep you breathing because you need That's good keep you fucking going. but there's there has to be a moment when there's no lungs or there's a moment there does. There's a moment when there's four lungs. There's one of two choices. They either both at the same time and switch one out Yeah, You know what? I don't know the answer to this I shouldn't know the answer. I do know, I'll tell you this is gross They said the doctor did say it was the worst lung transplant you'd ever seen because soomone of my tissue died It has like especially like stick like glue to the walls of my ribs and stuff like that, but they had to like Lillily scrape. all the old ones up the inside of my chest cavity because they were kind of decomposing inside of you That's what she said. So she said it was it was one of the worst that they'd ever seen Uh It's I remember what the time was now because I was h unconscious for a lot of the first time I was awake, but she said It took them quite a while to actually clear it out and then, you know, get the new ones in. So you know what? I don't know how I was bing at that point in time Do people have any idea where this comes from? it randomly onset? Is it a virus? Do you get it by being on mats or what Well, I think I got thegin the original staff injection, but to the point I made earlier, like it cleared up and it was no big deal. and It wasn't like I had the flu or I was sick or I was coughing or none of these things whatsoever. Um And you know, the Kyle Bush thing that happened that was a couple of weeks back, it was Weird, it was almost to the day of might happen the year prior. U sounded very, very similar to what I what I went through and Uh, you know, I have not grilled the doctor really, really hard on Wh whyy exactly did this happen? How did this happen or or that kind of stuff. I guess I woke up and I said How How do I get better about I ha it grilled them on? How did it happen? That's really interesting mindset Yeah I guess It's really only important for you to understand what happened insofar as it informs what you can do now to improve Yeah. and u You know, what happened was I think probably something that's extreme extremely rare You know, I guess I could go back and ask him. And honestly, part of me Thanks and this is just me judging from my wife's sick because my wife is obviously awaken talalking to them all and she did a great job of I trying to connect everyone that could possibly help me Um, But It was one of those things where they were having a hard time figuring out how I got that sick. You know, she brought up the cut available. She knew about that But then they were asking all kinds of different questions on, well, was he doing this or was he doing that? They I think they thought, hey, this doesn't make sense either or, you know, or also Mm. Okay, so You wake up, you come around What next Man. So the first you know, it's really funny. you think you're you're fully conscious, if you will, once I woke up And you know, now I look back on the first, I don't know, we'll say We'll say ten days to two weeks. and I was like Holy shit, I was out of my mind. I mean now I like there's this one two or three day period where I very vividly remember. I do remember some things that for sure happened because I went back and I cross with People that were there and I said, hey, did this actually happen But then like I thought I got transported to this hospital that was on the lake my house And there's no hospital there. That didn't exist. That was only in my mind for multiple days And I know I kept threatening I kept threatening the nurses that I was gonna walk home because I was just on the ro. Back, I couldn't even walk. I couldn'talk. You know, it's like the thought It's a lie It's a lie from every different direction. U, you know, I think I was on so many drugs. I did get got paymented relatively quick Um, just being the restl the stuff I was on and then They call it like delirium because you don't sleep enough in the h, you know, in the hospital Um ye, I had so many wild thoughts. The positive thing I had a lot of friends visiting me. so that's like, I know some of the things that I thought happened did happen because I said, Hey, were you there when X, Y or Z happened? And they said, yeah So I had a lot of friends visit me. My wife visit me almost every day. My mom visited a lot my day Um Yeah, just kind of like Waking up and figuring out how to do everything against. I could walk, I could eat myself, you know, The long list of things you I mean, I've pretty much been do anything by myself What was the lowest point that your health got to when you woke up? Was it immediate and was it relatively Hell from that? Yeah. Yeah, I didn't really have anything hugely negative. I guess right before I woke up So right after a day or two,, So' not right before like minute wise I guess it spikedes really like that fever and they didn't know why and that was scary to everyone . U Yeah, everything was like I guess it moved in a positive direction, probably not nearly as fast as I thought you know, a lot of lung transplant patients They're on the list for a long time and they're condition is not necessarily like immediately like sc. L eventually it would kill them, but it might take many years. So they're actually in kind of like a lot better shape than I was where I was like near very near depth I lost like sixty pounds, for example, of you know muscle while I was Yeah, muscle. body weight mostly muscle while I was in the hospital.. So when I woke up, it did mostly get better. There was a lot of things like I don't know if you know what chest tubes are, but it took me forever to get my chest tubes out I was the first lung transplant patient that they sent home with a chest tube in because I was like, you gott let me go. You gotta let me go And then unfortunately I got infected. I ended up back in hospital for two weeks Um I don't think of any fault of my own. I think it just happened and You know, then I got stuck there good for a while. But yeah, it was a process. a long time. I did start walking on my own for I think it was roughly two months you know, and then even at that point like, you know, walking on my own at like I go four steps and I'm holding onto a counter and then I go You know, three more stays, you know, it's like it's not really I'm not like getting around Yeahah, and it was just a process and it was like, Once I became more capable it was like, okay, hey today I want to try to walk for eight minutes. Walking for eight minutes is my goal. And then Once I get to hang it out, then it's ten minutes, there's twelve minutes and then I you know, kind of keep building up and then it's okay, now I'm going to try to do some squats, which was You know, in the beginning I couldn't get myself off the toilet. I had to have really have someone help me get up Um Yeahah, so that was the process. and It's still a process where'm I'm actually getting better I feel like still at quite a rapid rate. and I'm eleven over eleven months out Yeah Most people don't realize how much being dehydrated impacts their performance, which is why for the last five years, I've started pretty much every morning with Element. Element is a tasty electrolyte drink mix with everything that you need and nothing that you don't. This orange salt in a cold glass of water is like a sweet, salty, orangey nectar and I really tell the difference when I take it versus when I don't. It plays a critical role in reducing muscle cramps and fatigue, helps to optimize brain health and regulate your appetite while also curbing cravings. Best of all, there have no questions ask refef and policy with an unlimited duration So you can buy it and try it for as long as you want. and if you don't like it for any reason, they'll just give you your money back. Plus, they offer free shipping in the U.S. Right now, you can get a free sample pack of Element's most popular flavors with your first purchase B going to the link in the description below. I' heading to drinklmT. com slash modern wisdom. That's drinklmT. com Flash. W wisom What was your main emotion when you came back round onnce you were a little bit Less it deelirious always Laborga. And I still think about sometimesill I wake up and think about How did that happen? Like I have a lung transplant I never smoked anything in my life. How does someone like me end up with a lung transplant? So I think U that would probably be de m emotion of like Did this happen? This is nuts Um And then probably the second one after that would be like, okay, what have I got to do? Because again This is my new reality. I can't change it, so I might as well make the best of it. So what is it that I need to do in a publish You know, I can't tell you how many hours since in eleven months, researching What do I do about this problem? What do I do about that problem? And just kind of like heavy heavy chat GPT user For real. CatGPT. if you can ask my question You get a lot of information and then I usually use the information. I bounce off my doctor and I say Hey, here's what I'm gathering. What do you think about this? And ed GPTs right? I don't know I say seventy eighty percent of the time likeike it's pretty good. You know, there's a few things where it kind of really gets it wrong. so I always I'll see cross reference first. Okay. so You know, the flabigasted thing so funny. I've got this I've always had this thought in my mind. like I've come off a Moped in Bali. I've been in a couple of like pretty big car accidents. likeike a few things as sort of shock kinetic In or whatever You're right One of the main emotions is surprise Like this isn't can't be this can't be happening. And I was thinking to myself, I wonder How many people have died, you know from something horrendous or accidental? someone got shot. You know, cross fiire. Somebody got shot Yeah and they just feel the finger through them and they look down and they're like Have I been Surely I haven't been and that's it. And your last thought isn't Yeah, you know, the movie lying on the ground looking up, telling your last rightit, explaining your insights from it's just Did I get fucking shot Holy shit. And then it's done and it's the same with you. the main insight, the main was it you come back around and you fearing for your do see the beauty of existence? It I was Lgely fucking surprised, dude. That was my main The incentation I would say that young likeike whyy am I here? How did this happen? And surprised of it And that was kind of like me piecing it together for the first you know, handful of day and then the other one was What happened while I was asleep? Right Like I've been asleep for thirty sevens. What's the pr.'s the Bitcoin price that please?,'s the Bitco price It was it was good at that point in time Asking this a whole bunch of Really, really important wrestling events in late May and early June Uh, you know, so there was, you know, catching up on all that. I was not awake for a single day of June Um And then you know, going through the kind of order of events of what happened to me and And any there was a bunch of really amazing things like Yeah, there's so many people supported either through prayer or helping my family in some ways shape or form, or meals. because you know my wife has done obviously there's not aather in the alit, because I'm in hospit My wife is spending a large portion of her time at the hospital with me. So, you know, my kids are all on summer break. Its not even wife they go to school So you know, who's going to take care of them? who' can help out with them? So Usually my wife, my mom and my dad would kind of like alternate who's at the but we had a bunch of friends and family helping out with our kids and stuff. and We tried to keep it as normal as possible for them. You know, you don't want them that home thing every day, Hey, my dad's die. like you don't want that. So you know, we tried to tell him, hey well, not I didn' do shit. My wife tried to tell them Hey he's san and he's at the hospital and you know, kind of leeave it a little bit vague and open eded like that So I guess, you know, you look across at somebody that's had a career as an athlete that's overcome lots of challenges and difficulty in training sessions from being a kid to being a teenager to a young athlete to a veteran athlete in all these different sports of wrestling and MA and boxing How much of that were you able to draw on when it came to recovery resilience. All of it one hundred percent. I mean Um You know, because the main thing is, I mean, it's been I said it's been eleven months I probably felt really good for her for a handful of those days, you know, L you know even today, I'll just say today, I'm loving my out I'm making a pretty good day But you know, for a while before the show actually Um, you know, it was like my breathing just wasn't as good. sometometimes I don't know if it's the allergies or I don't know what the issue. It just feels weird sometimes, you know Um And then I was earlyer on, it was There was a lot more things than that. It was it wasn only that So the amount of days that' felt really good since then has been very limited And so it's, you know, even on the days where you don't feel good are you going to get up and do something because If you just sit on the couch, you're not going to get better. So even on the days you don't feel good, maybe you're not going to do as much as you had planned, but you're still going to do s. And that's kind of, you know, where I was at for a long time and you know, now it's like I feel mostly pretty good. There's you know, there' be some little something here and there pretty much every single day, but it's like, okay Well, I don't feel good at ten AM. I'm going to go get my workout at two PM or you know, like' but I am going to work out. I'm going to train and I'm going doing my breathing exercises and I'm know, thiss handful of other medical things that I do. I'm going gonna do them every day. I'm not going to miss it. m So I've been very disciplined and regimented in that and obvious that came from my life as an athlete, being very disciplined for regiment and that It just over kind of exact What did your weight get down to? What was the smallest, the lowest weight? The Lowest was one hundred thirty eight. So it was like skin and bones And what did you fight at I thought it was seventy, but I was I got I'll be I got I was some TRT. so I got a little bit bigger. My normal walking weight was probably Uh you know, when I was fighting one hundred eighty five ish plus or minus a few pounds. and then as I retired I was f one hundred ninety five ish somewhere somewhere in there. So that's probably percent A fifty percent. Yeah. ye. so yes, qu quite quite the drawdown of weight Um, and it was just like I said, I mean I don't I don't think my wife has pictures skin bones really is kind of what I was Is that because you're not moving and not consuming any calories other than what they need to keep you alive? Is that why Um I think they're not mo you know. It never looks all the way to this I got some good guesses. Number one You're not moving. I mean, I told you like they literally paralyzed me but There was other times when u I would wake up and I would just like I don't recall this, but I would not be happy about that. fact That would spike my heart rate and then that would cause my Breathing capacity and number What it call oxygenation or whatever That's the drop, right? And that was really polymatic I guess. For a while, they didn even have me strapped down, so I couldn't really move at all Um Yeah, so that was kind of the that was kind of the deal with that. So And then I do believe preredn' zone, which I'm still on and I'll feel on for the rest of my life probably unfortunately. U, I believe that has some some capacity of where it eats you muscles a little bit What's that do That'sone. Yeah. I don't know exactly which part of the immunosuppression it is, but it's an immunosuppressant. So with the with a transplant patient your body willll see the transplanted organ as a esssentially tamp down your immune system kind of permanently Wh why flight for you and being in different places is more dangerous because you don't have an imune system. If you had an immune system that could protect you from getting sick, it would also be the same immune system that would attack your new lungs hundred percent. so I, you know, I try to stay out of areas where there's a lot of people where I don't like have control of the area or what my surroundings are. Unfortunately, I wear a mask a lot, which is, you know's kind of COVID again, baby. I made fun of the mask people for sure andask I'm a mask person. Yes that's that's no good. Yeah, but it is getting better. I'm coming down like the levels of immunospression you're on as you get further out and you get healthier, they do come down quite a bit. So you You kind of had a bounce back, so I've gotten, for example, the last couple weeks, I've gotten lower on my use guys Pzaconzol and tachroimus. I mean I'm talking about medicine, but I come down on those a little bit. So That means, you know, my energy and my indiscretion go off and I think u you know, my year anniversary is coming up in about three weeks and I'll be Hopefully could go down even a little more potentially. Unrail. Okay, what u I'm interested in what Matteresy more or less now than it did before Yeah. You know what? I said this, you know, if I would have died when I went in the hospal nurse I walk in hpital don remember anything If I would have died there, which came pretty close to Um, H had a great light Like I really got to do what I love for for a living and coaching wreling around the wrestling academies I think it's very meaningful work and that you're helping the next generation of Young person not only get better rested, but get better life U I love my wife, I immigrant family So I was really lucky in that I was It didn't take me to die to figure out that, o, I have a bunch of misguided priorities. I think my priorities were were pretty good. I was pretty, you know reflectively I can reflect on, hey if I would have died. What do I think about what I had done to that point Um So I felt really good about that. I do think I became maybe more patient. Um have more gratitude for sure. And that's you know, I don't think I was the category maybe I was laacking in prior, but I think maybe more still even more strongly I became a Christian, which I would say prior I was kind a Christian adjacent like I went to church for sixteen years or so, but you know, it didn't kind of all the way So that would be, you know probably a big change, I would say. So kind of those things, but I was proud of the life I was living prior to this, and I think All the positive things have just been kind of ramped up and I think I guess I think one other one that I would mention there is, you know, I invest in as a businesses. And I like all the people who are running them, but it If it took my time, even if it was just, hey, I meet I meet with the founder once a month or whatever. It took my time and I wasn't passionate about it. I asked the few different people like, hey, can I get out? I'll make a deal, whatever, you know, whatever you feel is fair, G me what's fair and I just I just want to take a few more things off of my plate U And I kind of feel strongly about that. You know, I get some oppions to do things now and I'm just like Is this what I really, really, really hundred percent want to do in my life? Is this worth the time with my kids and my family. and if the answer is No, then I generally choose not to do it. Have you seen Peaky Blinders the series No, I haven't, but know bunch of myrelers are a really big fans of it. heard references that I've never watched them. Really cool BBC series and in it, the main guy and his brother They nearly die at the Battle of the Somme in World War O and I think they're called clay kickers. so they dig tunnels. to try and get into the enemy trench from underneath as opposed to going over the top and sometimes they the two tunnels cross over each other and then they have fights inside of the fucking tunnels. It's crazy. And that's crazy He him and his brother basically nearly died at the battle with the Sum And they've got this line where they They sort of turn to each other and say, everything after that was extra. Everything after that was extra. And it kind of sounds like that's how you see period now that I was I was y I mean I didn't want to die it would been optimal for me to have died and I'm glad that I didn't Had I have done, I'd lived a pretty good life up until then Even though I'd lived a pretty good life, there's still some adjustments that I want to make in order to learn the lessons about prioritizing my time and what I was going to miss most now that I've got Now that this is extra No That's where that's three accurate with with how I feel and You know what, statistical on lung transplants? Now, I don't necessarily know that they apply to me for a variety of reasons which we can go through if you'd like to. It's kind of bord, but The median life expectancy is only six and a half years, which isn't long U I don't think that's going to apply to me fully because a lot of our older unhealthy. I mean an ex professional athlete who didn't get it because he was smoking and was like in the midst of some of the best fucking health of his life Yeah, so you see you get it. So actually the longest living person post d lung transplant is thirty eight years. so that's kind of my goal 's thirty nine at leasts thirty nine Um Yeah, everything now is extra and it's kind of rep format at me. So the number one thing I love to do is my brother and I have Wrestling accademy is We have nine of them now in the city of Wisconsin, but the very favorite part of that is actually coaching the athletes U, And so, you know, that's the thing I want to spend the most time on. from a work perspective U, And then obviously, you know, with my my family and doing that type of thing and It's one of those that was weird because You I never really thought twice about but you know, part of the wrestling accademy thing is, you know, you travel on a lot of weekends sometimes Go coach kids. and I like I say Its a weird thing because I love it and I miss it a lot And but then it's like, well, I realized how much I was kind of missing at home or when my wife had to be a you know, essentally a single mother, I go to a big tournament Now it's not say I'm never going to do that again. I am going to do it. I'll probably just do it a little bit less than I had previously Um so to make sure I'm around for all of my kid stuff. and then obviously Now my daughter's thirteen is she reallykes wrestling. so there's going to be a U, But yeah, so definitely Not going to waste my time on things that I don't love and that I'm not really passionate about Um And that's kind of probably the biggest thing. This episode is brought to you by Gyms Shock. If you're going to spend an hour in the gym, you might as well look hot and feel comfortable while you're doing it. Gymshock makes the best men's and women's training gear on the planet. And here is something I realized a few years into training. When you actually like what you're wearing in the gym You show up differently. You train harder, you stay longer and you get Way more high fives. Their hybrid shorts are unreal perfect length, they're super lightweight, they're easy to wash and dry, and their sleeveless t shirts are basically what I've trained in every day for a yearo. They're the ideal fit, they're breathable and they hold their shape perfectly. So no more looking like Adam Sandlers, your stylist. Basically, everything they sell is unbelievable, well designed, high quality and you get thirty day free returns globally with global shipping plus a ten percent discount sitewide. Right now, you can get ten percent off everything by going to the link in the description below. I heading to gyim.sh slash modern wisdom and using the code mododern wisdom ten. a checkout. That's gym.sh, slash modern wisdom A modernism ten. a check out. hasas your definition of success changed Since that Um I would think about this a lot actually because I don't know if if you saw or heard, but I'm I'm wrestling next month Um And the reason I was wrestling was they told me. so I actually worked for RAF And it's going tremendously well. And one of my wes gold and this is something where it's like I'm not going to work for RX forever. because not the one thing I want to do But one of my life goal was to start a legitimate professional messing organization in America to it run on its own and give athletes the opportunity to compete at professionals REF is doing aking amazing job. I mean They're doing better, I should say, we are doing better than I ever could imagine this quickly fascinated. But when they told me they're coming to my hometown on my birthday Something token. I'm right. It's like, okay I got to get out there and got I got to make it happen Um And so that's kind of been a really big driver for me And a big part of it is me helping other people. and list I get messages prettyre much every single day on Instagram at this point of Hey, your journey has inspired me And I think I was giving Sorry I'miving a very long winded answer but I think that's okay in this podcast. So your journey inspired me. I've been saying the same things for fifteen years But I think, you know, when I'm on tops, right? So I'm winning MMA titles and I'm We got the best wrestling Academy in America. I think people it resonates to a one way. And then they see you dying on your bed and trying to climb out of this hole, and you're saying the exact same things I think it resonates and motivates in a different type of way, not This guy doesn't just talk about it. This guy is about it, right? He He understands is what adversity is? He understands what hardship is that when he had met adversity and hardship He reacted the exact same way that he said he would. So I'm not just talking about it. I am about it. U so me being able to climb my way of this whole and live a Iowa state relatively normal life, you know, it's not gonna to be all the way back to normal, clloseest to normal possible. U I think that's very inspiring for people. And so then my thought on that was U I don't know how you feel about this guy. He's very controversial, but RFK we tbs up, tes down in head U I've been to dinner with him. He was a nice guy. Like some he's got some wacky belieits, but he's also managed to get the food pyramid to be the right way around for the first timeight. You know, it's as everybody So I would think, well, one of the things I think about him is This guy has an immense amount of courage and fearlessness. and I say this to people. I say Think about it if you grew up and you watched your father be murdered and you watched your uncle be murdered And you still have the courage to put yourself in the lightine of fire Because there's a lot of people don't like them right now And you watched that happen to your father and your uncle and you still willing to have the courage to do that. That's amazing. I don't care what you think about The rest of what he says, that is that's very powerful And he always represnces Sisyphus, right? where the guy Rlls the b up hill only for it to roll down every single day And then he starts over and then you know, the kind of message of it to me is that There's something very powerful in just showing up and having a great attitude and working hard every single day even if you're maybe not going to get the fruits of your labors at the end of the because the bowler rolled backck down and he shows up and he works again every single day For most people Um, They're not going to end up without any fruits of their labor Right? So, you know, they rolled the boulder up the hill It's generally going to go somewhere and they may not get every single thing they want in life, but they're going If you do that, you wake up with a great attitude and you work pretty hard every day, you're going end up with a pretty good lights that you're pretty proud of. So I think about that a lot No. Why do you think wrestling produces such mentally tough people compared to a lot of other sports Uh I think it's the best. I think it's I speak on this topic a lot. I may be biased because I run resident canadies, but I think there is no greater impact on a child's life U than wrestling. I think it wreling is a microcosm of life. U I think there's a few qualities that maybe you don't get from wrestling, but most of them you do U and that is you are going to have hardship, you are going to have sacrifice. If you're going to lead any type of meaningful life, it's not going to be sunshine or rabows. They started the time and so Um, you know, going through wrestling It's a level of humility becausecause you're never going to be the best one in the room. and if you're the best one in that room, you're going to go outide An room that you're not the best in and It's not like, Hey, you're not the best. goo sit on the bench and go watch every everything else It's like, you're not the best Now you're going get your cage rubbed in the m by someone better than you and they're going to force you to be aull. Um, so I think you know, u hard work disiscipline perseverance because you're inevitably going to get knocked down at times of hardship and adversity. Um Uh self reliance is a big one. it's only you out there. There's no one else to save you. There's no team, there's no nothing else Humility I think think they' got all these qualities can make a really, really well rounded human being H. Yeah, I I mean I look at a lot of other combat sports, a lot of other sports in general and everybody learns something, especially the consistency, the routine Maybe it's a selection effect. Maybe it's just that the sorts of parents that put their kids in or the sorts of young guys and girs that decide that they're going to go into wrestling They just Whatever it is about making that decision, select for a particular cohort of people that are kind of stubborn and routineized and insane. I don't know. this look at look at even the UFC, which is, you know, I can that for sure. I'll tell you now in for search Iv sayly train it up Mix where shimp for a long time And we run Rrestling Academy. the expectation of the parent coming into those two different places is htll different. R So the expectation of pare coming into to Asa Wrestling Academy is, hey I want my kid to learn how to wrestle. I want them to learn some discipline and some hard work and can get it a little tougher And you know what? if they do really well, maybe they'll win us a title or get a college scholarship or something to that effect And in MMA gym, so many times I, oh my shit, he's really tough and scrappy. He's going to be the next star on TV and make a whole bunch of money. And so the expectation of the two different parents doing the two different things is is immense. And I think that's probably a big part of this is what I would guess What would be your advice to a parent hoping to make their child's fame and fortune by getting them to do MMA That is about the worst job you. I mean, tell I tell everyone that MMA is an awful job. Um, I did it because I wanted to bite people Because I like fighting people 'cause I love the combat. That's why I did it. But if I wanted to have a real profession and a real job, I for sure would have been something else U I always walk through someone. if you said Chris gave me I said Hey, Ben, I want to be MM fight. do you think about that I say. numberumber one, dumb. Here's why Chris, you're going to start training. Yourreight not going to take a fight for a year. Okay. could then you take an amateur fight. yourour amateur fights is going gonna to take you f two years to get through. Okay. once you become a th, now you're going to have say two to three years of low level professional fight. Okay, that six years goes perfect Now you're going to assign to USD And in your first year in the UC, if you win all your fights, so this is seven years of perfection. Nothing went wrong in seven years, you're going to make like eighty thousand dollars Okay, but under the eight thousand dollars, you've gott to pay your jah pay your manager, you gota pay taxes So youre you're walking home with, I don't know, thirty five, forty thousand dollars. At that point, AML if you't live Cal P pointint, L Cifornia you'realking'm like twenty seven thousand dollars That's not a good job U, so You know, I've ever recommended two people and's relatively well for them because I Sow they had a small mygdala and it was a little different, they wanted to fight people How How much of your success do you think came from talent Zero. I don't believe it exists You don't believe that talent exists I do not. And this is, you know what? this is harous. . You know what' We're in Kansasity. we came here after I got inuck with all of fame in Olahoma in Kansasity. My wife is one hundred four year old grandfather, so we're visiting him U, So they're actually playing Bingo with him right now. my k fantastic. I know, great, right? Yeah, so my main argument with my life is the talent one. I I do not think it exists I think obviously human bodies have predispositions to certain things and there are certain sports which are very predisposed, but When I think about talent, I think of the ability to do complex tasks really, really well I don't think you could do a complex task really, really well without a high level of training U And one of the things before we argueed this, I don't know if you're arguing me or not But one of the things I always argue prior is If we were to test talent, we would need to test talent out of the womb. when they pop out of their mom. We need to test it Because I always say, hey, if I give you two kids coming tok Wreling Academy One kid has has been sitting on a couch playing video games, his parents feeding him snacks all day Never teaching discipline he' the rollly poey Listen, he needs some rest and we're going to take care of him. We're going to give him what he needs But he's starting way over there If you have another seven year old, who is never wrestle. they bothoted their wrestled But he's got older brothers. that typied him up Parents live a very active lifestyle. They're outside, they're hiking, they Hes climb trees, he's biking, he's playing games with his brother. He's not sitting inside. They have healthiness Christmas food. These are two seven year olds Neither have ever wrestled But they are worlds apart right now. from jump, you know, So that's kind of how I like to think about it. So we can debate this if you'd like to. No look, I think that especially in the sport of wrestling, perhaps something that you begin with so early on in life. I mean look Some people are literally built differently to others. Some people will respond to training in different sorts of ways. when you really start to what is involved in talent. And if you were to think about something like desire to train as a kind of talent. Some people just really like wrestling They enjoy the idea of that. other people might enjoy something really short. They might enjoy something that's less aggressive, right? They might be a world champion, classical musicianist, right? A cllassical pianist or violinist or something like that H I don't think that if you just give those two people, even with their desire to work hard and their stubbornness and all the rest of this, if you don't have the desiire. So it's an interesting question, is desire to train art of talent, right? peopleeople have a disposition to. I would say I would say yes. I would say yes. that argument' been proven by a The sled dog You know this one? No The Igiderod sled dogs, right? that they run at big racew across Alaska Um, So they they bre Iviously breed the dogs and the dogs that they can have a baby like every year or something So they don't read the fastest ones and they don't read the strongest one. they read the ones with the most desire to keep running And so to your point, there's But so so what I would say what I would say to that is And so again, like a hundred meter dashk or something that's a really, really simple skill. likeike that is not Uh a very complex to, a complex to There's likely a multitude of things that's going to take the world class at that. So you're going to have to have you know, work ethic, persevere the desire to work to your point Um some level of intellect helps, some level of hand eye coordination helps, like you know, there's just going to be this really large basket of Hey, you need X amount of this skill set but which ones do you need? Like in wrestling, for example, I was incredibly slow twitch muscle fiber. My fastest four year desk was like a five eight L like I am I am incredibly slow. But I found a way to make it work. There's also wrestlers who are incredibly explosive and fast to find a way to make that work Um, so, you know, like of this basket of things that you can have You may need I't say twenty of twenty five, but you don't need every one and you can kind of pick and choose from them Um, So yeah, I think it's an interesting topic. So obvestly I would absolutely I would say people obviously predisposeed being born differently, but I also think the early period in life is often neglected. There's another one you you know about the Pgar sisters Oh man. we So the polegard o, let me make sure I' I pretty sure I'm harming to right this Let me make sure. So this guy Yep, I'm correct. Okaykay So this guy He said, I don't think talent exists, and I'm going prove it. You know how he's going to prove it? He puts an ad out and he says, I atate a wife Bi And he find And he finds one, right? So he finds a wife to agree to these terms that Okay, we're going we're going to we're going to proreate And then my kids are going to be Test champions. So he he calleds his shot. He says it but before he even has kids. he says And is his three girls I want to say were the three of the five highighest rated players of all kind So we call the before appropriate Jesus Christ. Okay. well yeah, if you if you can pick the pocket before you pot the eight, Uh, that's Spl. Jared. You you ever considered that you might have a drinking problem I don't consider a lot, Chris Well, you drank an entire case of athletic Buronko last night But they're non alcoholic That's not a problem. Sorry, man. I just kept chugging waiting for the regret to creep in. neverever happened See, most people, like Jared, don't want to change what they drink. They just don't want the next day to be a complete write offff. And that is why I'm such a huge fan of athletic brewing Coke. They make the best NA brews on the planet You can find Athletic Brewing Co' best selling lineup at grocery or liquor stores near you or best option, get a full variety pack of four flavors shipped direct to your door. Right now, get fifteen percent off your first online order by going to the link in the description below or heading to athleticbrewing. com slash modern wisdom using the code mododern wisdom. a check out.'s athleticrewing dot com slash modern wisom. modern wisd A check out. Nebia T terms and conditions apply athletic Brewing Company, fit for all times. Bottoms up So I'm interested, like looking back at your that your career, you went undfeated for eighty seven matches in a row. Yeah this my last two years in college, yes. Yeah And like What goes through your mind when you're on a streak like that? Do you get increasingly more scared of losing it? A pressure sort of over the top of things like that. Don't think about it. If did If you did you go ahead you did you're gonna to lose that U You know so I actually I wrote two I've written two books now with assistance, of course, because I am not a great writer. Oh One is about my life, one is about my sports psychology ideas My junior sor year actually tried writing another book U which is about so I it would about it would have about my first book, right Never publiced because I did think it turn out good enough I worked with this sports psychology PhD and one of the things we did, we sent a questionnaire to every Division one NA champion in the past fifty years. So at that point it was nineteen fifty six to zero six was the fifty year window because I said, you know, I know what I think, but I want more good opinions So we sent that this questionnaire, I think it was like twelve questions Um And one of the questions, which was this was really lightlighting to me because At that point I al had one Nsiate t that was going on my second And we were looking for Some form of my training training changes. I got a new coach I had a new mindset, just thought something, like what made this happen? and you know, when did it happen for you specifically And it was really funny because the question was simple. questestion was, we want this And we got something totally different. and it was it was a question that was answered the most similarly of any questions, right? So we' got a hard question twenty questionnaires back You know, it's they're all open into questions. you're going to get things that are, you know, cross the gamut of what's going on. So many of them said Your question assumes I was brained I never reached greatness los. Right? So they were all these people who were and if you want to look at wrestling a division one st champion is like in the ninety nine point nine nine nine percentile. You know, we're talking like one of a hundred thousand. there's. There's roughly a million people wrestling in America today. There's ten NCA champions one in one hundred thousand approximately or something. So you're going to label greatness, they're clearly in it. And they all were saying, not all, not all A very large percentage saying in some form of I'm not great. I was never great. And so as we read through those answers, it struck me, okay, well, I wouldn't ins say tit. So by my own definition, I would be great I've never even thought about I never thought I'd ever considered it. All I was thinking about was How do I get better? How do I beat this next person as badly as possible And so it's one of those things where I realized that power was in not thinking about it. like focused on the task ahead of you as opposed to, you know, like one of the things that I get annoyed about is it's people say, what is your legacy? My legacy is not determined by me. My legacy will be determined by what all the other people think about me. I'm going to focus on every single day what I think I need to do to get better and what I need to do is for what's best my life. And whatever they want to think of me, they think of me. So that's kind of how all these people are thinking Its like I've just focused on getting better and I'm not worried about being great as you would call it U, And I think that's like really, really powerful Yeah, that's fascinating. I. I guess obsession to just be riven by always wanting to improve is exactly why those people are separated out from the pack. You could probably ask, you know what would be interesting would be to ask people who didn't become Uh NCAA champions, but we're maybe in two percent and ask them when they think they became great and they might more likely to answer I became great at this point. Perhaps the lack of thinking that you're great is what actually induces greatness I've had that's whole you I'm sure you've heard the phrase M, rest in peace, my old coach d group is status. Um If you're if you're green, you're growing., what was this phrase It sessentially, if you'reen're growing, you have a white belelt mentality. I can't believe I always forgot what he said all the time goodness Esentially,' you'reen you're growing, right if you believe your white belt and you're open to knowledge and learning people, you're going to competue to get better But when you think you know it all or you're good enough, then you're going to start declining And so you know, with our wrestling accademy now, we've been open for thising years and especially in the early days before we as inflential because not a lot of times we have kids from the time the real little, fiveive, six, seven years old U, but previously we saw certain kids Oh, I won a sessal title I don't need to listen to you, I'm really good. I want a special title or I want to stay title. I'm really, really good. when You know, we talk about state titled N state champion. These are these are they're not even in the same Ballpark. So yeah, I would one hundred percent agree with. People think they made it or that they think they know everything or know enough or they can't help U, then generally there's u somet type of be there pllateauing feature or decline that happens in their skill ability. People, I think even have a sense of this when they look at the trajectory of a any any person that's on a pursuit's life The difference between being someone who has fallen off and someone that never made it is kind of fascinating to me This I Obviously, the person who fell off by virtue of having fallen, it means that at some point they were up pretty high. Yeah. there is a kind of additional disparagement of, oh, you had it and you lost it opposed to you never even got it. even though like objectively, you did better but was so seduced and we are were so enamored and enthralled by prospect of Mentum potential If the direction of travel is declining, it's going from you were great to now you're less great than you were, as opposed to you were average and then you became better than average and then you kind of stopped Yeah in some ways Yeah, the person who never made it but didn't get chance to fall off is in a preferable position sometimes. Man, that's one where I would just say, you got to ignore everyone else. because I agree . To your point, that means at some point they had to be significantly better than they currently are. But time's undefeated. No one's been ced forever. And so you know, I did retire. I retired for the first time in twenty seventeen I never got to fight the better guys, so I said if I ever do, I'll come back out of retirement. I retired twenty eighteen. Th then I hit this sorry I retired relatively quickly again after that Um But I always just, you know If someone wants to continue to fighting, which I listen, I'm not I it's a very tough sports. So let's go to football.s he Baron Rogers or Tom Brady. they want to continue to compete What's wrong with them continuing to try to Yeah, they're not going to be as good at forty three as they were at twenty eight or thirty two or something. obbviously. cares like they're still They're still lead enough to be in one of the top thirty two positions in the NFU, right? that You gott to be pop there two quarterbacks to play on the field. other that if you're not, you're not going to be on the field Um so That's something where it' like, well, that's an opinion of other people and it's you want to keep playing football or Whatever sport it is, whver you're doing, then by all means like that matter Yeah. Well, you kind of on that, I suppose, you were neely and you were undefeated for almost a decade, right? prettytty much almost a decade But many casual fans remember you for one five second knockout. Yeah. What's that taught you about reputation? I ignored it the first place and I could keep you ignoring it. I know, Yeah, I just never I never thought too much about it. I mean, for me I love to compete and I wanted to prove I was the best and that's why I You know, I retired and I said, the only one thing I'm coming back out is I get to find someone rank higher than me So, u When I was fighting through the Belour and one Championship days Um I thought fair amount of highly ranked Iy J Haran was fairly highly ranked I faought him of was Lima. there was kind of a handful, but I never got the fight. Anyone who is in the top five And so I was like, I think I got stuck at six So when it came out, You know I under retred I said, well, I w want to fight forone better than I't want to fight anyones worse me because I want to try to prove' number one And so you know, right away it was Robbie Haller, who was I don't know if he's number two or number three the world at that point in time, but Yeah, and that was one where I think a lot of people and some people did advise me, well, don't do this if you lose, people will think differently about you. And I said, I don't give a damn what people think about me. I never started MMA to care about what people thought about me. I started MMA to see if I could be the best in the world at it. And what that's what I want to do. And that's what I'm gonna to do. And I I didn't get there. I got pretty freaking close. U, but no, I'm not ashamed about that at all. I kind of been As I was thinking, watching your journey seeing that first video you posted, which was like inspiring and harrowing and equal parts You have This opportunity for your life to be defined by a variety of different situations. You had the opportunity for your career to be defined by being a NCAA champion in eighty seven undefeated fights in a r. Yeah the opportunity to be defined by being On the sixth best in the world in one championship and not pivoting onto something else Yeah the opportunity to be defined by the fastest knockout, the opportunity to be defined by boxing Jake Paul, the opportunity now to be defined by being the guy that overcame death and got two new lungs and then went back and wrestled within the space of only a year And each of these junctures you The world is sort of offering you this opportunity to make your life about a thing And It seems to me like you're continuing to like stick your middle finger up at the handshaake poss you Yeah, that's that's what life is about. legacy is defined by other people that they want to And if they don't want to think about me, I don't really care. I hope they have a great life and I'm going to continue to live life the way I want to and as old as I can and Um, you know, I don't know as people consutously think this about me, but I think they're are a lot of people who I w inspired might be the right word by I'm going to take a chance, if you offer me a chance, I might take a chance all every time. And I'm going to tell you I don't need anything to give it to me in life, I need an opportunity ave you give me an opportunity, I'm going take it. And am I going to win every time? No, of not Are any of us gonna win every time? No, we're not. And you know, there's a There's actually is really good book He you ever you I don't know if you how you feel about this guy, but I like him and That's to meet him and he's very cool. H his name Josh Man Cassy Rote Tablet carry water. Um Really good, really good book. And then but then it was funny because He's written Hamblebuss,s most notable one with chopolate tray water. But then he wrote a book called Fitish Empty And it was life from a death bed's perspective And It came out right around the time I was dive And so I got to read it with literally a deathfed perspective. I woke up I want to say it was, you know, I don't know I don't know the exact data came out. I got it maybe a month and a half to two months after Everything went down, you know And of one of the really amazing quotes that it just sticks to my heads. So I better get right is the point of life is not to arrive stfely at that E ninety five percent of people don't get enough fiber, which is why Mentus built fiber plus because hitting your daily fiber target through food alone is actually kind of hard harder than your last toilet trip. Fiber isn't just a digestion thing. It's the foundation of your gut health which drives how well you absorb nutrients, how stable your energy is, and how quickly you recover. If your gut isn't dialed Everything else you're doing is working at a fraction of its potential. FiberPlus is a three in one formula built to address digestion, gut barrier strength, and blood sugar stability all at once. That's why I plan to make my next big dump. Momentous Best of all, they offer a thirty day money back guarantee. so you can buy it and try it for twenty nine days. and if you don't love it, they'll give you your money back. Plus, they ship internationally. Right now, you can get up to thirty five percent off your first subscription and that thirty day money back guarantee by going to the link in the description below or heading to livemomentus dot com slash modern wisdom and using the code mododern wisdom. check out. That's L IV E moM ENo US dot com slash modern wisd modern Misd Check out You got this line. The point of life is not to arrive safely at death Stop worrying about things and get to action Yeah. and there's another good one. there's another really good one there Hope like is Warrying is like a rocking chair, you can move all day but you ain't going anywhere M So stop worried about things G make it happen. And that's kind of kind of how I lived my life prior to this and now it's even like Dude, I'm Yeah, that that's how I'm going to do it. and You know, I uh Like I said, I take one medicine every day, I wear my mask when I have to. I'm not trying not to be reckless with my livelihood. My plan is to be the longest living Double lung transplant person. never that is my goal. Do you know what the record is? thirty eight years. I'm going thirty nine, baby. W. And how old how old would you be Uh I'd be eighty So you know, Yeah, that would be u thatd be that'd be a good good life. And you know, I honestly, I figure if I make it like fifteen, twenty more years There's going to be some new technology. They're already starting to build organs with your own stem cells, I believe is what they're doing. And so that would also get me off the immunesive presence to those those Oang. So you're suggesting that you would get another lung transplant Yeah. you'd be you'd be down for that. You'd go through it again Oh, absolutely. I mean, because The immunosuppressants are they're a decent portion of the reason why Life expectancy is not that high because when you kill your immune system, you cause a whole bunch of other problems, right So I don't know that, you know they are they're literally building organs with stem cells and your own DNA U they're probably not very good at it, yes But I get this sense. if there's a list of people that they want to test this on as a good case study I reckon an ex professional athlete is probably pretty high up and I don't know how many ex professional athletes at your level have had Like how no one's going to be, I'll volunteer. I'll volunteer to have the lung transplant from my real ones to my fake real ones exactly. Yeah. Well I told my doctor. I Chris I told my doctor I said, Hey man One of my doctors is pretty young and he's I progressive like you could tell he wants to make it halco and he wants to make You know, life better for all the lung transplant patients. And I said, Hey, man You got any ideas that you think are going to work running by me because You're not going to find anyone more disciplined and I'm down for it. If you think it's going to help me live longer I will I will run that protocol. so you just let me know Dude,re you're an inspiration, man, you always were, but this is It's another level. So I'm really, really happy that you're still here. I'm really happy that you're doing this. Good luck with the fight I'm going to be watching. I'm going to be watching and enjoying Thank you. What else you got going on? Why should people go to keep up to date with all of the things? Oh man U you know, I don't post on social media that much anymore W' Instagram and Twitter and this is my real name anymore it' called sorry. But I actually I have a movie coming out this fall also. Um about this this going be exciting U, I don't know exactly it's coming out yet h So my wife's one of their family friends in high school I was a movie producer and He was watching my stuff last summer and he said, That looks amazing U You would you guys be open to it. My wife had fed so much stuff I was in the hospital And he shopped it around and the The Henrys, I don't know if you know them at Nobo Studios picked it up. and so we've done a whole bunch of filming on it and I think it's be great. and I hope it's really inspiring to For people to lead a life where just like I said, they're fearless. Theyve live the life that they want to live, not the one that They're afraid what other people are going to think of them, so they don't do things, they don't take chances hoping to inspire people work Unreal man. Unreal dude. let's keep in touch. I'm excited to see what you do next and let's let's talk when the documentary comes out Awesome. love it. Thanks so much man. appreciate you do. catch you later When I first started doing personal growth, I really wanted to read the best books, the most impactful ones, the most entertaining ones, the ones that were the easiest to read and the most dense and interesting