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As somebody that's basically a Pilistine and has seen maybe two or three theater shows in his entire life. Yeah career of being a spectator And obviously you're a person who kind of understands the art form as well. What are the ones that stand out to you as this is that was really, really special Well, I'll tell you Lam' Rob, which is which which is probably a very common answer for people, I was like thirteen years old and I had never really been moved to tears by art before I had never seen thing as a young person so beautiful in my life. I was so moved by the music, I was so moved by the stage craft. I was story was thrilling. So that was a seminal moment in my young life. You know, my dad had been bringing me to see Yeah I lived in North Jersey. so my dad would bring me in, you know, it took forty five minutes and he'd loved theater. He got me into it. So he would bring me to see all these plays. A lot of them were sillies, a lot would go over my head Um, I loved it And then Lad M's Rob was the first one where I was at the right age to feel emotion, to have tears streaming down my face. And that's when I was like, what is this? This art form is is something that is so powerful And so that I went on to see like so many productions that Both both musicals and dramas and comedies were There was just so much joy for me in seeing it happen live and having it be different every single time and the shared experience with people around you who are also swiping a tear or laughing Uh that that's just something's really magical. What it's great. when it's great, it's just so fun What about when it's bad When it's bad, it's really bad. And you know, I never leave an intermission just because I'm an actor myself and I feel too bad to do that Um Yeahah, it can be it can be it can be horrible. But I try, you know, I do I do I do filter whatever I' not I'm not going to see things totally blind. I get in blind. I don't go in totally blind. would be that would be I' be lying if I said I was just going to any random show. I definitely go to what I've heard my friends say, You gott to check this out I've heard that you want to be a doctor at one point When I was in high school, there was a program in my high school with the The town had a volunteer rescue squad Um I guess that's just the way it works in some towns in New Jersey, at least. I can only speak to that, is that the town has a volunteer rescue squad of people who are EMTs who donate their time and there's an ambulance service On serious calls, the paramedics come in a separate ambulance from the hospital and they had a program for kids that were seventeen and up to volunteer and get trained and go on calls. And I went on Many calls with the ambulance service. And you know, you're mostly doing the grunt work, you're carrying gear, you're moving the stretchers, you're taking blood pressures. But it was thrilling And I think there was a moment there where I thought, what an exciting reer path to be not that I could necessarily stand the education to become a real doctor ironically But but maybe a paramedic or maybe something in something in the field. And And then I just never really excelled at the classes that you know, biology and chemistry and all the things that you need to be really great at. I just didn't have the interest or the skill The fun bets were fun, but the time in the way. Adrenownaling was fun and coming to the rescue was fun and I loved all that. loved I loved coming to the rescue. I loved the adrenaline of it and feeling like you helped people And you felt really good. Also, there was a volunteer aspect of it thatm I'm sorry That was an important part of it too. I felt great that I was doing all of this in volunteer serice. In service. Yeah. interestnteresting. You get the three emergency services, right? You've got ambulance, fire, police There's an issue going on The ambulance signnds up Everybody' is grateful There's an issue going on Fire service ts up Everybody's grateful and turned on. Please sign up People get a little bit suspicious Unless you're the very person that needs it. everyone immediately gets on watch. and I always think Th feel bad for police officers They're doing a thing. they're still doing a service. and in many ways, they're in the line of fire. they're dealing with much more kinetic situations, I guess firefighters too. And also sure, but you think fucking like police officers is really, you know, they're being shouted at and there's all of this potential stuff and they're looking over the shoulders and That must be hard. It must be hard to be a A police officer when you look at your fellow you know, of the three branches that you could have gunn down in emergency services, like people sort of clap and applaud and there's a lot more heroism around that and the public perception, I think of Police officers has had a rough run over the last decade or so. Absolutely. And there's a lot more nuance to that profession than Fire and ambulance. Stop fire, get cat out of tree. Keep person alive supposed to do one of like fifty thousand million things here. Yeah. ye Um but there was a burglary a home invasion on my street this week And it's scary. I was certainly happy that they were they were their home invasion like a robbery while together broke in the house and held this woman and and stole her jewelry and we're in no rush to get out of there It was scary 's noty Yeah, gnarly Yeah. I um It's an interesting one thinking about what jobs you would do if you weren't doing what you did I was thinking about this the other day. you obviously you maybe didn't have the chops to do the I didn't have I didn't have the interest in in in school enough to to get into medical school orr the SET scores or the grades I mean, you really have to love school Um I love design. you know, I think I'm really into architecture and design. and I think that kind of overlaps with what I do as a director because your' hiring and collaborating with extremely talented craftspeople who are the best at what they do and you're saying, I have this rough idea, Will you help me execute it? And then you put together this team of insanely talented in the case of film, cinematographers and production designers and costume designers and actors. and Everyone comes together and they help you execute in And to me, if I wasn't allowed to work in entertainment for some reason, that's something that really lights me up because I do love architecture and design Who's someone on a film set or on a production It makes a massive difference that most people from outside of the industry don't even consider The cinematographer, I mean, I think is is the number one M collaborative person the director has that is his his or her right hand person What's their role for people that don't understand? For people that don't know Um The way that everything is photographed, the lens choice, the way just, for example, this interview is being lit, was lit by a talented cinematographer who chose where to put these three lights and what lenses he was going to put on the cameras and how in post production it was going to be colored So much of that makes a difference. I would imagine a lot of Lehman think that that's all the director. The director is sort of the conductor of the orchestra If the crew is the orchestra, the director is the conductor of the orchestra. And if the first violinist is, let's say, the most important person in the orchestra, I would say that's the cinematographer. And the director is there going I can't play the violin like that. I can't play the bassoon like that. You guys are the best at what you do. My job is to go A little more of this, little more little less of that And u And yeah, the other position that I'm sure most people not in the business, I'm sure most people in the business don't know anything about is the first AD who is the first asssistant director who's running the whole set. Um in theater Parlance, that's kind of like the stage manager, but know the director is in charge of overseeing the creative aspects of what we're making But someone is marshalling this offtentimes enormous crew and all the background and all the actors all around. And the head of that department is the first assistant director. and that's a very stressful job They they stereotypically die young because it's so stressful. No way. Yeah trading the lifespan for good production. They are they OT. They always laugh about it. They're always like, you know me they always they always have a they always laugh and go, you know me stereotypically die young Um, But it's a very stressful job. It's hard it's harder to do They're the people that make sure it doesn't go into overtime. Yeah they're managing how much time you have. So when you make a schedule for, we shoot scrubs, for example, in five days. And so' sure how many episodes in five days We should one episode in five days. And so they always Always, even back in the day, ye, five days. Oh. It's u It's kind of crazy. The new streaming comedies have the ones that I direct have have sort of moved to six and a half days, which is a lot. which youd think only it' a day a half more, but it's a huge difference in terms of executing it in a relatively sane way ry about halfour television. u doing it in five days, especially a showirt like Scrubs that has these surreal set pieces and you know, the fantasies and lots of moving parts. Lots of moving parts, like camera being a character and also not to mention that, you know, sixty to one hundred background. every day So it's more it's a lot to to it's a big cruise ship to move around. and the first AD' in charge of making that schedule and telling you like, hey, we're sort of foxed for time. you gott to move on. Yeah. Wow. so that means that there's some scene that you aren't quite happy with and you're like, dude, you it's done Like you're done with the. Well, you as the director are the are the ultimate ah decision maker and Am I going to spend more time on this and then say fuck that next scene? I'll do that. I had a lot of good ideas about how I was going to shoot it. I'm going to shoot it way more simply now because this isn't working yet You're you're the one who's in charge of The day the time has been allotted for that day for to do these scenes. you have to do those scenes.. Of course, occasionally you have to punt one, but for the most part, you have to do that. And it you're constantly watching the time and going, okay, fuck. And what we do is I get a special call sheet that only certain people have, the producers and the AD and that has little times written into all of the schedule because you don't want everyone knowing that you're behind or you're ahead. It's not good for for not a good leadership thing. I don't believe. it's best that you just I'll be a yourob I'll tell you when it moveves. Exactly How' did it feel to be back in an old production? I love it. Its it's a whole new responsibility for me because I I did this show as a as a young man. I was very green um I learned so much doing it and now I'm back in a leadership executive producer role being the boss And the guy who taught me everything I know is is not really there. and He um He's there to advise me on the phone and he's there to get involved when there's a fire that needs putting out. But I'm back now in a in a capacity as the leader and And it's a whole lot more stressful than just showing up and being funny. Is that talk to me about the challenge of goingo from I just need to show up and do my lines to I need to show up and do everything and do my lines. It's extraordinarily stressful Um Did you want that Did you not just want to go back and have fun? That wasn't going to work Um So Bill Lawrence created the show And Bill it was his sort of one person vision. You know, it was a very specific vision. The reason it worked so much was it was so unique. It was comedy, it was drama, it had surreal fantasies. it has the setting of a hospital which has infinite possibilities for comedy and drama these seven main characters that audiences really fell in love with and and followed them for eight and a half years Um, Bill has many shows happening right now. So as much as everyone wanted scrubs to come back, including Bill 't he certainly couldn't be writing it and micromanaging it. So who would do that Um There's someone who runs the writer's room is the head writer. Her name is Asem Batra. She was a writer on the original scrubs. Um, The writers' room is here in LA. we shoot the show in Vancouver So who is going to be overseeing scrubs up there, the production of it all? Um, I had I had partners, several producing partners who help me, but I know the show better than anybody. The truth, the truth. I know the show better than anyone. I direct the show U And I and and my mentor was the guy. I mean, I'm the one the funny thing is I keep saying this is that The pilot of this new sccrubs is about JD coming back because Dr. Cox says You should come back Um We should get the band back together. You should come back and make a difference and and and Jie ques and says, yes, I'm here. I can't wait to work with you. And then his mentor goes, Oh, you misunderstood, I'm not going to be here. You're in charge. That's the pilot of the reboot, the Revival. And we were up there shooting and it's literally what happened. I had had this impression, even though Bill had said, like, hey I'm running like three other shows. I can't and I also there's also just some stuff with, you know, it's it's a Disney property. He has a Warner Brothers deal. canan't be there. compleplexity So But I't really I truly didn't have the epiphany until we were shooting when I went, this is literally the show we're making. He's the one who called me and said, let's get everyone back together. This' be so fun. And now we're literally shooting the pilot. And it's so intense and so hard. and we're really trying to nail this for the fans. And he's like, Ohh, and by the way, I think you may have misunderstood. Like I' not gonna be there This is you, You got this M And so I did have to step up in a way that I hadn't foreseen Um, And it was very stressful When the pilot was cut, it was changed everything Everyone was like, oh, be really good. The studio, the network, Bill himself, everyone kind of didnt feel like a passing at the torch when he got the pat on the shoulder from Dad. Finally after all of these years, good son. Absolutely. 'ause he's not huge with the compliments. He wrote me a Christmas card this year that was basically like the nicest thing he's ever said to me. and then it ended with, I hope this will last for at least a year Nostalgiaism pretty powerful force. Yeah. How do you make sure it's serving the show instead of just trapping it I think we were very aware of what are all the pitfalls of these revivals, reboots of revivals. welcome in the middle' come back too. Yeah, I didn't never watch that show, but it's as I understand, it been very well received for people that that that show was important to Um for our purposes I was very I sort of did research on what are the common pitfalls of this. And one of them is just trying to milk nostalgia Because you're never gonna build a new audience by going, remember this? remember that? Oh, wasn't it funny? Just doing callback jokes That gets exhausting and also it doesn't interest a new base of the audience, just having people that u We're die hard fans of the original show whichich isn't enough to really sustain an audience for a modern day show that's in ABC Primeime and streaming on who the next day find you have to find a way to build the audience And also scrubs was very big around the world. So There's a lot of people that are going to be interested, but they're not going to hold their interest with just nostalgia debait. So the challenge is how do you I read that needle of Finding the tone again but also bringing in new characters and new scenarios and new people fifty years old now. We were the kids. The show was I just kind of youre going to think this is funny. I had this epiphany just recently, but we were talking about ideas for season two. The show was about three interns the old show was about. Now the show is about three attendings three senior doctors It's a teaching hospital, so it's always going to be about have interns in it and about teaching and mentorship and friendship But The focus of the show isn't interns anymore. the focus of the show is the teachers. Most people don't realize how much being dehydrated impacts their performance, which is why for the last five years, I've started pretty much every morning with Element. Element is a tasty electrolyte drink mix with everything that you need and nothing that you don't. 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Anything that's been formative for anybody, any experience, somebody goes to university And they have a time there and they look back after a decade and they wish they'd done things differently or they see things that passed them by or that they didn't pay attention to it. they paid too much attention to and What a time n it's the if only like coach had put me in I would have won the high school game and then my NFL contribut the Ra R. Yeah. varying degrees of different things I um I wonder if have to alongside nine years of shooting it originally then break. So then I'm back again now different role If it makes you see that experience previously in a different light or if it allowed you to closed some loops and it made me grateful for how much I learned. I mean, I wanted to make movies. I wanted to make TV. I wanted to be a director. I went to film school I got out of film school, I was working as production assistant and waiting tables and auditioning, or doing all the things I could to have as many you know, irons in the fire as possible And then I got scrubs and I was so excited because every every week there's a different director. And it to me it was like grad school, I got to watch all of these great comedy directors do their thing. And they all had different styles, and they have to work with within the lexicon of the show, but they all had different techniques and styles and ways of doing things. Initially, I was just so excited to absorb Um, their wisdom speedrunning, production, film school. Exactly. at a pro level, being the star of the show and everyone else going to their dressing rooms is, me hanging out on the set, being like, Oh what are you doing? That's so cool And then them'm going, o, the reason I'm doing this is because of this. and So that was amazing. I think after a while, if when I look back, I go I started taking it for granted. I see some of my you know onald F, on my coaster. We did re watchatch podcast of the show. That was one of the ultimately, I think is one of the catalysts for this revival And we were very candid. We watched it and didn't hold back when we thought we sucked or an episode sucked or we were overacting And so I think when I looked back at it, I thought, wow, at a certain point I don't think I was as good and I think I was overacting and I think I see where the wheels kind of fell off the bus And so now I'm very aware of Now that I'm in charge, keeping everyone at a certain quality, especially myself Did you ever feel constrained by being so well known for one role? Obviously there's ye a curse of success. in some degrees, people get typecast. What was some of the things that were enabled and some of the things that were limited by doing that It's qu whatite everybody wants. I want to be really well known, have a wonderful B production. and then at the same time, there's a some side dishes that come along with. That happens to almost everyone that's lucky enough, lucky enough, blessed enough to have a breakout hit And it's very if you look at the cases in history, it's rare that those people get a whole new array of opportunities. Brian Cranston is a perfect example of someone who did did Malcolm the Middle and was was that guy until he was the next guy until he and until Breaking Bad that was passed on by as I understand the lore was passed on by like every network and u until I think AMC made it. And Brian Kriston was reborn They u That happens, of course, because people fall in love with this beloved character and they don't see you as another thing You can't hardly complain because you were one of the extraordinarily lucky people who got an opportunity like like that. But you do, I'm sure every but you can't help but bemoan like, o, I wish I wish I could be taken seriously as something else. I was lucky that I had my directing career that I really wanted to pursue. my own movies and make my own stuff Um But in the last couple years I've been finally getting a couple of parts that are outside the box of JD. somethingomething actually through Bill again, who's been my biggest champion. He gave me a small part on Bad Monkey, his show with Vince Fong And I was only in a couple of episodes, but the part was so different And I got so much positive feedback for it. and It really gave me a newfound confidence in my own ability that I had sort of gone like, maybe I am just you know, a comic Maybe I am just a sort of JD kind of guy. man you had more colors in me, but the response to that little arcon bad monkey gave me confidence in a way. and then I went and did this independent movie that just got to Trebecca where I'm one hundred eighty degrees from anything I've ever done playing this narcotics cop who lost his daughter. It's a true story and, um So that movie is called Clean Hands and it's going to be a Trebecca Trebecca film festival this summer So yeah, I would love to do more and more of that But I can't complain. I've been so lucky It's interesting I I wonder how many people what you had, which is a kind of Almost like a kind of stockholm syndrome for your own success. So Sometimes people get Successful for doing a thing people don't want to update their worldview about that person. So They don't like it when they deviate. I think we see this in our personal lives. Somebody is the party guy or the party gir And then I'm focusing on my health and it's like, o This is have to change who I think you are I used to be and like it can sometimes cause a little bit of obviously people that are in your life that are wanting the best for you are very happy that you're making this positive lifestyle change, but maybe people who don't want to make that change too, their their behavior gets thrown into harsh contrast. Yeah. But the pressure from the outside, what's interesting about what you said, was that you started to see yourself potentially in that through the looking glass thing. like, well Maybe I am Maybe I am just that. Like mayaybe that is, you know, lots of other people seem to like me in that and am I ever gonna have a better hit than that thing before. And I wonder whether it's the same thing with people who just want to chang their lives. Somebody wants to go from being that thing. it's like Absolutely. Everyone else is telling me that like I was the fun like party girl or whatever. and now I'm like I'm just a mum and that's not as exciting or whatever. Maybe people don't Maybe I'm not made for this, as opposed to no, It's their it's their problem. It's that person's issue to try and to update their view of you evolving and changing person By the way, that is true in both acting and in life that if you change who you're being people around you have to change who they're being. If I'm in a scene with you and I'm all of a sudden decidide to do a take where I'm fucking screaming at you and yelling in your face, if you're even a halfway decent actor, you're gonna react differently in the scene in life, if I totally change my life and I'm not drinking anymore and I'm not going out late and I'm U going to the gym and and you as my friend are going to shift your way of being around me because you have no choice. we can we can both in acting and in life shift choose to shift who we're being. and then people can't help but react differently to us. Yeah Joe Hudson personersal growth Was it talks about how if you show up in a different way the other person's patterns can only usually exist in his estimation for about five to seven interactions. Oh wow. So there is a The typical way that you and your part are fight, right They get to play the victim and you get to play the bully. They get to play the bully and you get to play the saavior whatever the accepted trade is, I'm going to complain to you and you're going to feel aggrieved or you're going to tell me what it is I need to do and I'm going to appease you whatever it is. kind of ex There's a dance, there's a dance move.ight. tennis. It's like I'm hit the ball over there.' you're gonna to hit it back in aicular way. Yeah. And then if that happens, especially after and the reason that he said this was after goingo and doing something like the Hoffman process or internal family systems or groundbreakers which is his equivalent, a weekend retreat, or you make a really big change in your life, perhaps it over a short period of time or a longer period of time But if This first exchange occurs, the person serves the ball across the net If you don't hit it back, after betweenetween five and seven times of that not happening The other person can't keep doing their pattern. They just simply I mean, I'm sure that there's some degree of sociopathy that you're able to get to where you just you just do your thing. Oh, there's enough crazy people out there that will just fuck your nice evolved, you know, Renaissance patterns. Um, yeah that you if you show up in a different way, and I've tried to test this and it really does seem to be scarily true There's a line Nal Rabikanskot where he says We think that we can change other people, but we can't. we think we can't change ourselves, but we can and changing of other people easiest way to do that I think in terms of behavior chang is not by telling them what to do, it's just by doing something differently yourself and sticking to it. Yes. Yes. becausecause if you then fall back into the go Ah I see. right. That was kind of like it's kind of like training your dog. if you don't as my Jersey accent dog, if you don't u The second, if you're crreating training your dog, the second they're crying and you let them out, you're fucked, you fucked it up You know,, hold the line. You have to hold the line And in terms of my experience, I didn't know that someone had sort of quantified it to five to seven times. That's interesting. If you're going to shift your patterns and shift your way of being, you have to hold the line. You have to you have to not let the dog out of the crate and no matter no matter how hard they're crying because because then then then youve then those people aren't going to shift their way of being back with you. Yes, Yes. What have been the patns that have been the I'm pretty fascinated by things that are double edged swords Most times someone's greatest strengths are the light side of something that's kind of dark Um Ed Rang Garcia, WBC Wldwight Champion and He's obsessive incredibly obsessive And that's caused him at some point in his career to drink a lot and party an awful lot and to struggle to get away from it It also caused him to be absolutely like microscopically focused athlete who would spend Tell me this story about how when he was a kid a fight in the ring with some guy and this guy kept on catching him with a particular shot and Ryan went home, and he just spent two hours in his bedroom thinking about Why was what was he doing? Why was he catching me with that show? What was he doing? What was he doing? What was he doing went downstairs and told his dad, he's like, tell the kid come back tomorr You sure, you just got beat up pretty bad. Like that didn't look like a good experience. He's like, brring him back tomorrow. And what he realized was that there was the guy was stepping and then jabbing. was throwing Ryano off And he was like, okay, so when he does this thing I'm going to step in then I'm going to hit him in. And sure enough, the whole game was over because he'd spent two hours replaying this fight in his head because he couldn't not do it Yeah same skill of the obsession of the attention to detail of the hypervigilance. also gave him the challenges of overbearing, problems with his relationships, problems with his kids, problems with substances veryer, very out there anxious sort of Yeah, like on edge thing. I'm interested in mine similar without the beating the shit out of anybody. No, I have OCD and I had it bad as a kid. I was one of those kids who had obsessive tapping and You do this math in your head as a child where I should say I did where I you know, it could be a doorknob or it could be this water bottle and you say, o, have I have to touch this a certain amount of times or something bad could happen to my family And then even as a young person, I said, that's crazy horse But just to be safe, it's kind of like a superstition. Adults can relate Ascal's wager, the obsessive's wager Yeah. Is that you know what Pascal's wager? No, but basically that u I don't know whether God is real or not, but the cost of not believing in God is hell and the potential benefit of believing in God is heaven. Okay, now imagine that in an a eight year old's mind going I'm wagering, I don't want my family to be harmed. Not sure if it's gonna to do anything, but I might as well. My brain is telling me that something bad could happen to my family if I don't hit this six times correctly. I know that's crazy, but for safety, for everybody's safety. Yeah You should do it. I'll do it again for safety. Yeah, yeah. And that becomes you know, I had it pretty I had it bad, but you know Well lots of adult and children have it way worse But I got I was diagnosed with that and It made me anxious. I was anxious My father had a real temper and And that was scary. And I think I was he was also he also had a lovely side and introduced me to the arts. and And, uh, and and could be and was hilarious. He introduced me to humor But he did have quite a temper that I think put me for the rest of my life on edge of when something bad was going to happen, when he would randomly explode And that certainly affected my whole childood and I I still feel it as an adult, just a sort of resting, anxious state. Now that has been ' been great for for me in terms of writing and comedy but it's amazing that sometimes I find it crazy that I can operate at this and in these very anxious leadership positions. Where so much is on the line and there's always a problem and there's I'm so grateful that I've figured out how to You just still step into the ring and do the really hard things like despite not failing like it Yeah, despite like gosh, this is going to be hard and I'm going to experience panic and discomfort and anxiety and adrenaline surgeres that aren't necessarily normal for the level of the problem I mean and thoseCD anxious person will often have an adrenaline surge that is like you just almost got into a car accident. And that's what leads some people to panic attacks. That's sort of like the needle going in red and staying in red and then there's a panic attack. Um But all of that has contributed to, I think, humor and being in my head a lot and maybe some good some decent writing that's come out of that, you know Buturn attention to detail Definitely obsessive attention to detail. Correct. And I was trying to think about. me sitting there on scrubs at two in the morning for an insert shot of a phone that there's no reason I should be there for. These people can handle it, but I do not want to get to theedit editorial and see that that's not the frame I pictured of the phone. That's that's that's definitely obsessive, but it it's I It's how I make stuff. Most people have no idea where their testosterone levels sit. But what if I told you there was a solution? somethinghing that identifies low tea faster than a high school bully? and it won't cost you all your lunch money. That's where function comes in. Gives you access to over one hundred sixty lab tests, including a deep dive into your full hormone paddle. 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Because we're talking about process, it's a degree of Detail focus, orientation Hypervigilance. Bias toward seeing problems as potentially before they've even Yeah where a we playing, you know, anxiety is all about uncertainty. Yeah I'm uncertain about how the future might unfold So if I can Think about all of the different ways that it might unfold. I will know all of the different potential catastrophes. Do you're not usually anxious about all of the ways it might go right anxious about all of the ways that it might go wrong. Yeah. I can but as a filmmaker who can't fall asleep at night staring at the ceiling, obsessing about the big scene you have tomorrow, It's not healthy, but for mind and body, but it is helpful in that I've probably foreseen everything that could possibly go wrong. Yep. ye. So you' prepared. And I've got text going out at two in the morning being like, did you guys Da d, da da d. And you know, everyone's asleep, but I'm start going like You did order the Biba blob, right? You know, like I mean, it's, it's the same for me. It's the same for me with the show Um, that noticing doctor Jordan B. Peterson should have a full stop after the B. And you know I just want to make sure that it's okay. And did we check that we have we got the release form that signed for the thing that's get good the thing, So I'm thinking is Lots of people who have that Melody, strength. end up in situations where they They can be very successful. So my favorite example of this is To a degree, Eddie Hall. So he's world's strongest man, twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, British dude Six foot three By the time that he won, it's on the winner's podium and he puts this trophy in the air and he says, Nana, this one's for you. His grandma died recently and he's sort of won this title and he retires there. F first title and he retires, Al's worked his life together He says, if I hadn't retiied at that point, I would be dead. Divorced with no relationship to my kids He was four hundred pounds att six foot three. on so many PD's that his blood pressure was so far off the charts that forget hypertension. this was like galactic tension He was working so hard with his training that him and his wife, the relationship was just completely shot. and his kid didn't seem So everything was falling apart I think about that. and I go, well The level of obsession and attention to detail that led him to be the best in the world also had these side effects that came along with it, physiological ones that were second order side effects, but the first order side effects of just not paying that much attention to my wife. Not paying that much attention to my child, not nurturing my relationships, not thinking about the peace inside of my own brain As far as I can see, the people that are really successful at lots of things, not everything but at lots of things, paying an unreasonable level of attention to detail That is where the can I'm trying to net down is the What's the like corn that's being grown out of this thing for you across your career? It's like an unreasonable level of attention to detail. sounds like that. in my own performance in what's going to go on in what might happen tomorrow and what did happen today and the lesson I need to learn. and why is that Why have we decided because I don't understand why you brought that fill lighter? Oh, it's for the bounce off the wall, right? Why why, why, why why why why why why. And yeah, that unreasonable level of attention to detail has allowed you to do all these great things. Yes. When people look at outcome that they want. I would love to be on a show that gets run for gazill gillian seasons and the last for nine years and then comes back and it gets to do the thing I would like to I would I would go, okay This stuff does come along for the ride too. You are also going to not only in the professional life, be awake at two in the morning texting people about the fucking phone shot from yesterday But then it's also going to bleed over into your personal life as well. Yeah. know, you can't switch it up. You can't, I want you to be obsessive and ruminative in this domain. And not you what are my relationships? no, no, that's a totally different. I should be a different person. I should Jackal and I Batan Bruce Way. U I'm kind of fascinated by that sphere of question, the price that people pay in order to have the strengths that they've got. I don't know how people do do this with big families I don't know how they do it Um Uh I don't have a family. I don't have children. I don't have a currently even have a partner. I u You know, I when you're doing what I do, you often will have to go away for long periods of time. So I uh I would love to have that stuff, but that's probably for me personally. otherther people are very good at managing and figuring it out O obbviously in Hollywood, there's plenty of people with wives and husbands and families. I um to have that happen. So I think Personally for me, one of the costs has been just obsessively Um being career focused and, um it being the most important thing to me the thing I love the most, the thing I get the most gratification out of is creating. And I think the cost has probably been U giving watering the seeds of having a family and a relationship How much have that been a conscious choice m I know that I'm going to pay this price potentially and I'm going to continue to focus on It's not been a conscious choice. It's just been, you know, I do think I If I put the level of attention and intention and focus into having a relationship and a family that I put into my career I'd have a different kingdom. Well, I just have a different I'd be like a Jacob in the Bible. But I u I have Um I think it's safe to say I just kind of went all in on I mean, I've had some Wonderful relationships, but I have been through for the last twenty five years completely career focused and When I'm not making something, I'm writing something, or when I'm not writing something, I'm trying to collaborate with someone. I am the most happy when I'm making stuff.. So when I'm not I don't idle well. I don't, I don't, um I don't you know, on a beach and u and and and just stare at the Ocean well Maybe for like a week Yeah. I think about people talk about developing a good work ethic But very rarely do people talk about developing a good rest ethic? I would like that. If you got that book, I'll read it. I'm afraid not. I mean, look, dude, this is I get this is part of my neuroses, but I go I actually get anxious when I know I'm gonna have a lungs time off Does work feel like safety to you I just feel like I'm most myself,' most in my element when I'm colloaborating and creating And uh And when I'm not, I, um I don't feel fully fulfilled Even when I'm writing my own stuff, which is spending a lot of time alone with the computer,'m not I don't enjoy it. want the collaboration? There's no collaboration. It's lonesome. It's depressing because some days are I'm sure you write. You know, some days you're just like, I suck. Yeah. I suck. had And the next day you read and you're like, actually that's not. I woke out a bed a night's sleep. I remember this this comment when I first started doing live stuff. I just finished this live tour around Australia and New Zealand and Bali and it was so sick But um When I first started doing live, Three years ago someone commented with a piece of advice And they said, when I'm on stage, I always have two voices that are equally loud in my head One makes me Apollo and the other makes me Sisyphus. One says, you're amazing and you can keep going and the other says you suck, you should quit immediately And I just think it's so funny that when you have different elements of the same performance, right? in order to say a thing, you need to write the thing first unless you're going to ad ale little bit And that means that some days you sit down to write and you're like, I fucking blow as a writer. and other days you sit down to write. and you're like, I'm great as a writer. But at each different juncture, someone that tends to be a little bit more sef critical, someone that's got this predisposition toward hypervigilance, going to be like, that could be better. It could always be better. Yeah. tends itself toward a kind of inggrratitude, like micro ungratefulness each different time because you can always see. I mean, I love that shot of the philm It was great, but o, if we just had another half hour if we've been able to get that next one, twenty D in and we've just been able to and they, you know, adapted a little bit more. Butm But this is what pushes somebody to be unreasonably detail oriented to get to a level of quality that is so Beyond under the markarket and status and money anda by design, there can only be one winner at an award ceremony, there can only be one best anything, right? att a time. the market rewards someone that is going to continue to push and push. I don't know how people enter this business without having the mentality that they're going allall in at it because what I tell young people who I see starting out is like Okay, but make sure you you're going to go one hundred percent of what you have because every in this town, every single person around you notot every single person Hundreds of thousands of people here that are that are going to work Really, really, really hard. Are not gonna have you your lunch if you don't? Absolutely. If you're going to audition and you don't have it memorized and you didn't work on it as hard as you possibly could and Wk with your friends or work with a coach or O in this case, there's so much self taping, get a good lighting setup and a good camera and a nice backdrop. And you're just phoning it in. Do you know how many fucking people are going all out for that same part? Basically pointless. You are wasting everyone's time, especially yours Um crazy. when you come across people that are that are trying, I mean, I only know this profession, but it's crazy when you come across people that are doing it half fast. It's like, why are you This is you're going to get blown out of the water Wh's very much a winner takes all thing where only one person can play the role. Right. Only one person can be this particular the fucking AC Right That's on the set. there's only one, maybe there's not actually, But there's only one number one AC, right? threeree cameras, three. Okay. know what I mean You know what I mean? There's only one A camera first AC. There we go. Thankk you. Yeah, you could continue to go up the stack. Typically there's only one person for each big thing, right? And you go, well If' means that I'm not prepared to go all in on that one or think about it in a personal standpoint. You're going to go out dating. person unless you go polyammory, that person is only going to be in a relationship with one person And if you are not showing up in the best possible way, being attentive, thinking about them, replying in an orderly manner, doing stuff, being thoughtful Somebody that's just a bit more thoughtful or a bit more chill like even the thoughtfulness of like, I probably txt him a bit much today. Like I should I can chill out for a little bit. The hormones fucking neurochemicals are kicking in Um, you will be beaten. Yeah, right? There will be somebody that's prepared to be more thoughtful. So whatever the optimal strategy is with regards to effort. If you're not prepared to give it everything, the person that will just gets out ahead and that means that you've lost. Absolutely Absolutely. and this is, um career path that is all so much luck. but I often think of it as like it's all a complete lottery. I think if you're really, really preposterously good looking you have a lot of lottery tickets and if you're really fucking talented actor. You have a lot of lottery ticks. If you're both You have a shit ton of lottery tickets, but it's still a complete lottery because I know plenty of people that are wonderful actors and you don't know who they are And I and pling people that are beautiful and good actors and you don't know who they are. it's very, very challenging and I'm very, very present to being lucky. Yeah How many people have you seen across your career that you just can't believe that they never made it. Plenty. W. Penty. I can I can u couple of people that come right to my mind I'm like, why why is their number not come up yet? That person is Gorgeous and has blue eyes and is one of the best actors I know Um, You know, they might get work here and there, but they're not a household name. They're not they're not a lead on a show Um, just go watch New York Theater. 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You know, I still read for things when I'm when I'm when it's competitive and I want it. and Stuff I had her I had a fucking I auditioned for something that a huge monologue. It was like a two page monologue And just like I'm saying because I look at a lot of audition tapes from the other side of the table, if I'm not, you know how many people are going to memorize the shit out of this monologue and crush it? Why am I even gonna waste the time if you're not gonna to do it? So for like a week, I worked on memorizing this monologue I was walking the dog mem working on the monologue. I was fucking doing the dishes looking over at the monologue. And I went in there, I blayid a tape down and I crushed it. I was so proud of it Didn't even get a callback. Didn't even D didnn't even get a hey, good job. Buck you did. And the show came out and I saw the guy do it and I went It was so much fucking better than that. you get of mine. But u You know, I didn't, I didn't get it, but I fucking brought it. I brought one hundred percent. It doesn't mean you're going to get everything. They didn't they didn't want me. They wanted him I wonder whether this is one of the reasons that People have such a This is interesting The number one desired job O Young kids is YouTuber And numberber two is influencer. Oh Godd, is that true? Horrendous. yeah. Kids, if you're out there, you don't want this smoke, I'm telling you. This sheer amount of screen time alone will kill you. I wonder whether one of the reasons that people like I why kids don't necessarily know what they get themselves in for. One of the reasons that maybe older people might like the idea of it is that there's kind of no rejection in the world of you can become not popular, but no one's telling you that you don't get to do the thing You mean as a YouTuber influence? Yeah, ye, if you're creating just a solopreneur or a small unit and you're the guy, that's in front of the camera, whatever But's your thing. You can do it as much as you. You can send an unlimited number of two page monologues and put them on the internet. you are the star even if that wouldn't have been picked up by somebody else and no one, it's a permissionless world That's interesting. clelearly u Oh people weighing in on whether it works or not by how many views it's getting after a certain amount of time.. But that' that's a sort of soft rejection. Correct. Yes, exactly. That's exactly what I'm thinking. Yeah. It's so interesting because we didn't have that growing up as a thing wasn in a position Well, think about some people on YouTube now are even doing Set shows Cments upbs, you know full productions. Shane Gillis, Gillian Kebs this thing before He's now doing tyres That was him just fucking about. Like you don't need there's no there's a much smaller tighter thing. Absolutely. Yeah. Absolutely. And I think there's a lot of people making a great living being whatever their niche YouTube thing is. I go down the rabbit hole on these people and I I've got some people that I just love to watch. and I'm not even like I've been coming down the rabbit hole on these RVs or, you know, like main life people. Yeah, or recreational vehicle people that are giving tours of their vans. It's not a life I would ever le. although I love to go camping in RV. I would never, I don't want to live full time in RV, but I'm fascinated by these the algorithm has been sending me these people giving tours to RV's. I love it What if I've been looking at recently, there's a guy that plays a role playing eighteen hundreds British war game, like a third person shooter war game online thing but he dresses in a full kind of Colonial era British soldier outfit in his house while he's doing it. and he's got a moniacle on and he's got a huge fucking trumpet As he's doing the live streaming, he blows the trumpet. He's like, comeome on boys, don't need to be shy. Let's get them. And he blows this I don't know what his neighbors think the fuck is going on. So like I got into him What else have I been getting into? You know what I'm really into now? What They have these fucking videos of like the greatest hits of when detectives get people in the room like a like to finally admit that they did it. Psychopath finally realizes that he's not that the detective knows what's going on or whatever or like guy who murdered All these people finally comes clean and the and if someone's cut the video, they have a narrator like a now, detective Dumbmanm will finally confront him with. And you see their techniques, 'cause you know they have the camera up in the ceiling and all these they little by little, they move in tighter and tighter to the guy. That's one of the techniques I've learned. know, they get closer and closer And you know, they do good cop, bad cop, they bring in, they switch into a woman, like all these techniques and You know, if you watched it for hours, it'd be so boring They've edited it down to like the most insane like fucking red zone It's like, Strikeszone or whatever it's calledld in Redsite American football when the football's live on a Saturday. it's only games that are in the final time.. And it just cuts between that. It's a highlight reel of the interrogation This is that for interrogation. But they cut like a specific case down to the lat like thirty well, the story of the progression of I didn't do it to okay, I did it into thirty minutes. And it' and it's fascinating. Oh man, the algorithm knows I like that. I do want to do something with that. just creatively, I've been talking to a a director about I'm really interested. I love adolescents that, you know, that show with the wers and everything I love that show because I thought it was so brilliant even outside of the incredible craftsmanship of making it as a as a winner But I really am interested in that world of the detective work and the performance of of getting someone who's done something horrific to finally admit it. I think that's so interesting. I would be very interested. I can't think I was trying to think in my mind. of a TV show where the detectivive' personal cost of Hypervigilance played out recently and I can't quite think of one. The reason that comes to mind is I had a conversation with a guy called Emil Levin and he wrote the booktached kind of broke attachment theory into the world. I think it's the best selling attachment book and they' justitten written a new one called seecure, which is revisitation and evolution on the previous one. One of the studies that he taught me about was they bring people into a lab who have had their attachment styles assessed in advance And there's some anxious people in the room some avoidant people in the room, there some secure people in ro partalfway through the conversation might be one of those ones where they don't know whether it's started or not yet. it might be in the wait room or whatever And a computer that's in this office or whatever that they're sat in, computer over the far side just gently starts wafting smoke out of it as if there's some sort of computer fire that's about to occur And he said that the anxious people. the first ones to notice But the avoidant people are the first ones out the door And what he was thinking about because he spent all of this time talking about, well this is what it's like to be an avoidant or a dismissive avoidant or anxious person or a secure person And much of what you're talking about, unless you're talking about secure attachment is, here are the problems. Here are the challenges that you need to face here is how to overcome them. He's like, what about the advantages? is that they have to be advantages because this has been selected for, right? E evolutionarily this has been selected for So you have a degree of hypervigilance in the anxious people that's allowed them to pay attention to something Everybody else might not have Noticed The avoidant people are much quicker to make a decision You the angual Ohh, should we belie leave? Is it going upset someone? I'm not too avoidant person's like just wilely coyoted out the door. Yeah. led him to explain to me was If you were someone that's an EMT U or if you were a SWT guy. Um People who are avoidantly attached are able to partition off part of their brain I don't need those emotions right now I don't need you rumination. I don't need you, worry, I don't need you whatever. I got a job to do or I just don't want to engage. And the ability to, I just don't want to engage Also means that there's a person bleeding on the side of the street and I just need to do my job. I need to be a professional here. That's the avoiding person? Correct. Wow. Yes, their ability to partition off little bits they wouldn't pay the same level of attention So if you were to cast, let's say cop show in this manner, you would expect most of the guys that are the kinetic door kickers to be avoidantly attached. And you would expect most of the detectives that are paying an awful lot of attention to be anxiously attached. because they're going to be nteresting, I noticed that the killer's shoe was Untied on one side. I wonder what they That's how he cho That's how he chokes whatever the fuck. Like that And what would be fascinating to me would be looking at somebody from the role of a detective who has this unbelievable, I mean, you've seen this with Sherlock Holmes to a degree, Benedict Kumberbatch's replaying of that kind of he' this unreasonably attention to detail guy in his professional life that can't switch it off in his private life. But I think seeing what you are praised for in public pay for in private How could that show up inside of Prime detective thing. I think would be really cool. If you got something that's so pro social and the lauded, bringing baddies to heal and, you know, catching the catching the crims. Yeah But then also you've got what's the What's the same talent pausing on the other side and how is this person paying for it? That would be fun. That's interesting I, you know, you see aspects of the detective work in the in the interrogation room in in, you know, almost every detective cop show or movie Um But I'm curious, I mean, this is just a side note.' somethinghing I'm curious about to develop for the for for some project in the future is really focusing on all these techniques they are employing. sometometimes they're bad techniques that they shouldn't be doing. they're manipulative and they get false confessions and all that kind of stuff Um, but it's I haven't seen anything that's really focused on There' different strategies. I think it's interesting. the What are some of the coolest strategies that come to mind? Bea I remember saying onene thing I just watched recently where this guy wasn't even speaking and he was just just silent and, um They These two guys were being aggressive and they were like, we know we got we know we know what you did. we got and they didn't have a lot of evidence that it was him. They just needed him to say it and, um They they said, let's give the female detective a try. And she came in and she went one hundred and eighty degrees different. She was like, Are you cold, sweetheart? Let me get you let me get you a uh Blanket amaike becauseuse you hung He kind of nodded and she got him flooed And she kind of just sat next to him And little by little he start opening up to her And it was just, you know,'s that's subtle thing, but you know, there and then of then he eventually, u confessed and it was all of all them strategizing for how to get him to I don't know I just think that all the stuff those guys are guys and gals are taught and then employed is really interesting to me. That wouldll be fascinating. One thing that they all do without fail is move closer and closer and closer as the person is getting closer to confessing. they move their physical position. Did they say why U, I think it's just like intimacy and and closeness and I don't know, that's what's been studied to work on people. Maybe create a sense of inescapableness too that as this person is opening up a bit more, they' they're backed into a corner, they're backed into a corner.. I don't really know fully know the psychology of it. You would have a three consultant criminology. Oh I would fully research it But it would be fucking sick. Like because now you'd know all of this stuff, which would just be fun to know Yeah, you can employ it in your real life. Where were you last night? Yeah Negotiate a cheaper espresso over the counter because you got in close and tried to touch someone on the arm twice The you saw adol lessons, right? I did. So that third episode with with the psyc ladies or circling in the Yeah Yeah. I mean, that was just that's an example where it was done just brilliantly of her being she's she's not a detective. She's a a psychologist, I believe. And But their dynamic and the kid is such an extraordinary, they're both extraordinary actors. But that was an example of a fictional account of why I thought that was so brilliant. Just it's all dialogue, all brilliant acting, just focused on peeling away the layers I'd love to see something like that, more of something. I'm personally interested in something like that. Fuck, What was that thing with Kit Harrington in it The first episode, it was on Netflix and then they did a French version and the whole thing is set inside of one of these. So there's been something like this made. tell me because I'll watch it tonight. I'm gonna f dude it fucking rules. Kit Harrington Detective confession sereries. Let's see if I can get it a fucking criminal I on Netflix. Thank you. And there's two seasons now And u it's one ticket sold. It fucking rules So The whole thing is set I don't think they ever leave the floor that this is on. They sometimes go outside for a shit coffee and then come back in, But yeah, that was that was really, really cool. Im um I'm interested in what you think about the network TV is supposed to be dead thing. Yeah ubs Revival holes in like eleven million. It did really well. People within the first five days. Yeah, they were wrong. What do you think that says about where audiences really are I do think they um are still You know, there's there's a lot of metrics now for for, um, television, both broadcast and streaming. The first is the live viewing that means you watched it when it was live. Then they're very interested in what the live viewing plus three days was how many people DVard did I either DVR it and watched it within three days or stream it was on the streaming platform. they watched it with three days. and then the next metric they're most interested is plus seven days How many people streamed it or watched the DVR they did of it within seven days All of those numbers are very important to the modern day streamers and networks Um The Numbers of people watching broadcasts are completely a tiny fraction of what they were back when Scrubs was on television. And you know, shows like friends were getting numbers like you can't believe Um Um I mean, I don't have the stats in front of me but. like the Mash finale was like, you know, a large percentage of Eth was watching it, you know. Yeah. That's just con in terms of a live thing other than the Super Bowl, you know, And I'm sure certain soccer games It's just not a thing anymore. Olympics opening ceremony. whatever they are, we all know what they are. They're usually sports. Um The final thing Um But the numbers still are there on broadcast TV for for for certain shows. People do want to not survive a Survivors huge Um you know, there are comedies, uh, you know, u like Scrubs and Abbott and and for example, that are doing really meaningful numbers because people do still watch broadcasts. There are plenty of people that that they they skew older Obviously a younger demographic is going to stream. they don't know they don't know broadcast. They didn't grow up with it. I wouldn't be able to watch it I don't think I have a device in my house. Yeah. There's would be able to access live TV. Well you could really put rabbit ears on your TV go old school. Yeah. you can but the crazy thing about broadcast is it's in the air. it's free. Its notag get. Yeah ye. Here's the cold open. No,' it's being broadcast to antennas that you could just put antenity to be st there. And there's plenty of people, believe it or not that still are watching, the, you know, the broadcast, u, and channels only. they don't have they, you know, of course an older audience, So But all of those pockets of the pie, all of those slices of the pie are meaningful and important. So there's the broadcast slice, and then there's the streaming plus three, plus seven.ose are all people we want to watch the show. A funny, interesting that's happened and interesting thing has happen Take three interestnting thing that's happened is that a giant really meaningful number of people Oh shit, I never watched this show and went back and started the series. Cool And and that's really cool because although it's going to be a minute before their numbers affect the new show because they're going to they have long they got eight and a half seasons to watch it. it's a big run. But but that's really cool too because plenty of people said to themselves, oh, I'm interested in this, but I never watched it, so I should probably start at the beginning Um So that's been cool too because the One thing that's fun about the revival is if you're liking it and you're responding to it, like it seems a lot of people are. And you like these characters and you never watched the show. Well, guess what? There's eight years of how they became who they are, which is it's basically a massive prequel, but it wasn't This is the sequel, but you've watched the sequel first. So go back and watch, Which if you love it is so cool. I would love that. It's kind of like, you know, House of Dragons Game of Thrones. That's exactly what I was thinking. Exactly what I was thinking. If you're trying to go from Joey Chestnut Joey Swoll, the RP Strength app is the best place to start. 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I mean, I was at Uni No I wasn't, I wasn't at Uni, but I was still in Newcastle when it was happening And the volume of extras that they needed with British accents, in and around Ireland or able to access island was so fucking high that basically anyone I knew with a beard being tapped up. wereere you I wasn't a beardy man at the time, unfortunately, But we we had a friend who had kind of long hair It looked sort of wall locky And and he went and it was an extra in one of the scenes for the things. It's like, we just need people that are in the fucking British Isles to come and also the cool because like they don't make TV on that scale that much. these days and as someone who loves production and loves filmmaking the scing, I mean, it became so fun to watch the behind the scenes after the show one of the best parts because it was like, wow, how did you do that? I loved that aspect of it too, just to watch, you know, big B big product a movie being done once a week, a movie being released once a weekvie re. And they remember the what's the one the big battle where he's where Kid Harringon surrounded. We're really talking about a lot of Kid Harrington today, but where he's surrounded the Battle of the Bastters, I think' called or whatever. Yeah Yeahah your guys are nodding. That was just one of the most incredibly done episodes of television ever And then then then you had the fun if you're into this stuff of watching, how the fuck did they do that? Yeah. Yeah. yeah, it's One of my favorite things when that was coming out, I would watch the episode and then there's a channel called Emergency Awesome and he does breakdowns of f everything. The guy's like ' been doing it for quite a while. was a huge channel and he would explain exactly what was going on in the episode. And it kind of gumped I found out that Spirallla Jhon Snow is a Targaryen, like a full season before it happened on the show because he'd realized Oh, this flashback is with fucking Ned Stark and did this thing. he's helping helping you get a context that you wouldn't necessarily He's reading He's like the Sherlock Holmes of watching series. And well he does it on a lot of shows. Oh he does it for fucking all sorts. Yeahah, pretty much every big series that's coming out. he seems to be of a fantasy com sci fi genre But one of the things that was fun now was he basically and I realized this with Game of Thrones in particular, he was using the Chekov's gun thing as a real hack for what was going to happen in future episodes. So Basically nothing that happened after season Three. especially season four in Game of Thrones that was superfluous. Nothing evenven though it was big and quite unwieldy There was never a in reference that was done that wouldn't pay off at some point in future. And he would always be able to say, I know it's going to happen next week. This is what's going to go on because we've just seen this thing happen. You might have noticed that they brought up that she wasn't talking much recently and that's because, bl, blahah,ahah. And I was like, this guy's Itsressors I know, I know, but I got and I did kind of ruin the series for myself. I did kind of ruin it, but I got so much joy out of You know, an hour hour and a bit of the episode, then the twenty ten minute, twenty minute of the behind the scenes Then the next day I'd go and watch emergency awesome. that would be another hour and And I was like, oh, dude, I'm getting like fucking tri my triple my money. I don't watch trailers if I know I'm gonna to go see a movie. There's a lot that's revealed now. Yeah, if I'm excited, like I just went and saw the Ryan Gosling movie Project Heell Mary, which everyone was talking about and I was excited. and I thought to myself, I'm not even gonna to watch the trailer because I wan to go have a great experience and not know what to expect. I mean I know it's an astronaut movie. I don't want to know anything else And that's how that's how I am with most When I know I'm going to go to theater I don't watch the trailer That's fun. I once got Neee got ejected from Harry Potter and the Cursed Ch. so me Uh February twenty twenty two In Manhattan And I went with Douglas Murray, Jordan Peterson, Michkaela Peterson Tammy Peterson, a couple of their friends And it was when COVID masks were still mandatory. And we were all sat in a line I'd moved to America two days before. So I was so' crazy. It so big all of the people someome of them fat, some of them are beautiful, it's craz and then We got in owntown Manattan we go to the show and everyone's supposed to masks on. But you're allowed you can move the mask to one side if you're taking a drink. and obviously everyone's having refreshments, doing stuff like that And u mayaybe somebody had taken There was a chagin at the fact that Jordan and Douglas who were right coded the theater or something like that with the The manager askks the staff something Somebody was scrutinizing the amount of time that it was taking Tammy to pull her mask down to take a sip of water to then put the mask back up and had come over and mentioned or maybe she'd like taken it off and taken a drink or whatever Come over and brought up during the show And um I don't think the response had been super cordial. it had been like, okay, like whatever you say And then it happened again. and then someone stood at the end of our row Basically was sort of like on Mask Watch watching them And I could hear I was s next to Douglas and I could hear Douglas doing breathing exercises, trying to keep himself calm. things's going What it anch my anxiety' creeping up because the thought of watching a play like that. Yeah Well, I'm watching this while you're watching me. anyyway the interval, the halfime interval walk down and I can't wait to watch this So sure enough, I go through and I see Jordan Douglas talking to the manager agent you manageer Anna, I hear Jordan doing So what do you mean by mask Exactly. And what do you mean my sip Exactly. And sure enough, this lady was really, really pushing the limit of this and we u I think we We were able to stay. I think we stayed until the end, but in a disgruntled way. And that was I was like, I've been in I've been in America for three days and this place is it's just so much more peopleeople are so much more prepared to call out the things that they don't want onn both sides. You know, in the UK, the managerress would have apologized and the person that had done it would have they would both apologizeed to each other at the same time. everyveryone was so on edge, you know Yeah, that was that was an interesting one. Unreal manan. I'm really happy for you. It's cool to see someone goo full circle and really love what they do. You're awesome. Thank you. I really love your show and I love when I catch lots of inspiring advice from from your Instagram clips. So I really appreciate what you do. I can. I appreciate you man. Good luck. Let's keep in touch Yeah. appreciate. Goodbye everyone Your package says deellired but delivered where exactly The hallway The lobby, your neighbor's apartment