West's Strategy and Future Outlook

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I really enjoy the extra hour of all of this in dissecting all of this. Also, I like the break between each one because then people have all these theories. And the biggest theory that I agree with is Amanda saying we didn't hook up till after the statement, but didn't specify which statement she's talking about. And I think she's talking about her and Kyle's statement And she purposely didn't say Well, no, this is what people are like saying. And I'm like, no, I' say I've never seen Yeah. I've seen this. And I'm like. Yeah, I'm like, I think they're right they're right. And I think that's why West was kind of confused too because I think he didn't know that she was going to say that when she said it But She's so manipulative. and's like sneaky. And I'm like, that is what that bitch would do. Like she would and it makes sense because or Sia being like since january seventeenth, and, the statement came out january nineteenth. And then on tonight's or on last night's reunion where Kyle was like, you kept being like, it needs to come out in two hours. It needs to drop in two hours Wh why was there such a like firestorm to get this statement out I think that that's when her and West crossed the line, and she purposely did not specify which statement when she said that My mind is blown. And this is why Cali is such a crucial part of morally Corrupt. because as much as I've been scouring the internet and my entire algorithm on every platform is Summer House. I have not seen this theory anywhere and you're so right because we were talking about last time how it's semantics with her Everything is a play on words and it never even crossed my mind. that's exactly. you're so right. And that's I think one of my complaints about the reunion is things are being said without further explanation I always was like There's two things Kyle said that I was like, comeome on, please more. One is what you just pointed out when he said, she wanted it within the hour. she wanted it within the hour. I needed Ansy to say Why And maybe I did because we know from in one of the internet pieces that came out after the first part was the playing the leaked audio versus the TV version and all and you see how much they cut out you know, versus what we got to see. And so maybe that did happen, but I needed him to say that to her and I needed for us to be able to see it The other thing was when they were talking about that moment where West pulled his chair over to Amanda and Kyle's trying to explain You know, not excuse, but explain his mindset in that moment. He said, You know, I knew what she was doing. She knew what she know he said We didn't know the full story. That's what he said What's the f story? Say it. Why are we not asking these follow up questions? We're just skirting over so many things. It is the last thing I'll say because in part one, we skirted through something and Ben, I don't know if it's AI or not and it fucking sucks I have to say that There's this Um comment going around where somebody was like, why didn't they address what Amanda said about the group text and Ben wanting to fucker? I don't mean say I. Okay. And then Ben makes the comment. We did discuss that and Amanda took it back. Why did we not see that? That was a big deal. So in some ways they are We are getting to see who Amanda is and her lack of empathy and just that she's void of any kind of emotion. But it's almost as if they didn't want to pile on because that is something that really speaks to her character too. You didn't exaggerate. You flat out lied on li rough all this, we have seen that she is a liar can't understand Amanda's overall disposition. like even After the second part of the reunion when they break for lunch West is like carefully trying to tell her like Hey, I think you're playing this wrong Like he's like just answer, brief, straight to the point and he's like And like Try not be snippy Yeah. when he said try not to be snppy, I'm like he seemed like he was trying to be like as careful as possible, likeike did it gentle as possible with her But he's basically being like, you're coming off like a bitch. Mike, he did A'manda. Having an attitude with Sierra. is So weird. like cannot anything that anyone says to her, but specifically Sierra, which West points out, again, like Sierra's really getting under your skin and that's what she wants And she's like, yeah, yeah. I'm like, Seir did nothing to you. Why are you so mad at her? Why do you have an attitude with her And then Amanda storming off. I'm like This woman does not know how to exist without being a victim Like In all of her years of summer House, she's always played the victims. She's always played like pitiful poor Amanda And everyone's so sorry for her because she has the bigig bad wolf Kyle Even though she chased Kyle for years on our screen and just hung around until he finally of her I don't think she knows how to be anything other than a victim, and she can't be the victim in this scenario. and she hates it And she's getting bad. so Such a good point She's getting mad because the mirror is being held up to her and she doesn't like what she sees. And she kind of says that At the end, they're making me feel like I shouldn't trust you. Yeah, bitch. That's exactly they dumb for trusting you. And then it's like silent You are You are like That's at least breaking through because everybody is literally telling you that and Kali Do you know why it's hard for you to understand and why it's weird for you with what Amanda's how Amanda's disposition is 's because You have feelings You have a heart actually care Aanta is of all of that. and that's that literally stone cold. I don't know how many more comparisons I can make. I have called her the White witch from the Lion and the Witch in the wardrobe I have said she is a horcrux. I have said she is cold heart That's a care Bear's reference for those of you who did not watch Care Beararss. I watch C Bears. That's all I could watch. There' so many things that Amanda is at this point to where I don't even know what else to say about her It is very obvious. there is no confusion about the person Amanda is even to the point in this se was this season in this part of the reunion When Amanda says Shes just like, I feel bad or you know, she goes, it hurts me a lot. And Sierra goes, No, it doesn't E like You're looking at the other side of the couch and towards the bottom of the couch like with Jesse and KJ and Lindseay and Sierra and Kyle and everything they say, they are just like emitting so much emotion And then anytime Amanda speaks It's like She's been zpped. If you told me men in Back existed and she had been zapped with that thing And like doesn't have any m is like a zombie like that is how she's acting It's Even that's why it's just like it hurts me a lot There was nothing. I just can't get over it. There was nothing there. It hurts me a lot It hurts you a lot No, it doesn't. Also I said this in my recap, but it becomes apparent again, this episode two in part two See thinkinks the bigger deal. is her not cheating on Kyle and that the timeline proves that she did not cheat on Kyle. She did not have an affair. more than going behind her friend's back. Like she doesn't get the Sierra part of it at all And in my recap, I said like I don't think Amanda ever looked Sierra as a friend or a good friend. I think Sierra always looked at Amanda as a friend, a very, very, very good friend. And I think Sierra was a very good friend to her, which again, Sierra like makes it a point to be like, And when I saw Kyle make out with Sally, I called you and told you right away. she was like, you did, you did. And Sierra was like, yeah, no, I know. I'm just trying to show you like how I acted as a good friend to you. And we're all saying how you acted as a friend to me Either Amanda doesn't know how to be a good friend or she never considered Sierra one of her good friends. But then The reunion ends and it flashes in the city in the very first interview is Amanda saying, Sierra has been one of my very, very best friends over the past couple of years. And so I'm like, Okay she does think that while simultaneously being an awful friend to year? likeike herer behavior is bizarre She believes our behavior way. It's was apparent to me in part two that she believes her behavior is justified And and I know in part one, she makes the comment where she's like, I can't choose who I fall in love with and she says all that. more in this episode because we actually heard more of an explanation in this part which I'd been begging for, even though I still don't believe it was enough. But she explains more. And when I heard what she said, I thought, oh, this is why she's justified it So one yeah, G. She doesn't know how to be a friend doesn't know how to be a friend because I don't think I think she doesn't care about anything about except for herself and howes how she as herself interacts with other people. Like how are they affecting me? That's all that it comes back to. And then when Sierra's like I believe that they used buzzwords I hear you, I see you. When I think of Amanda in the city saying, Sierra is one of my best best friends, it's like, well, who the fuck else is she gonna say that about because she doesn't have any. It's another buzzword. It sounds good. in the same way that West likes to do things that make him look good It's like everything. even it made me go back to his social media behavior of like calling out people in the government or standing up for women's rights. It's like You're just doing that in a performative way so the girls will faall over you. That's how I feel like Amanda is. She knows that it benefits her to talk about Sierra as a best friend She can't talk about Paige like that because we have now learned Pai has cut her off and it seems like many of her friends have cut her off But when Amanda is sitting there remember the question that Andy asked her, but he's basically saying to her they're like, why would you do this kind of thing and she's explaining Well, if we hadn't had these conversations thenen I wasn't feel comfortable sitting up with him right here now. ye. And so she's kind of like We've talked about all the things that you've said It's deeper. then Ohandy say all these things And yes her like, After seeing how West treated Sierra and never was able to like be serious with her. like he would lead her on and then never take it serious, why do you think it's going to be different with you So she was like, Well, we've had all these conversations. Yeah. And then they're like about what? She's like, it's private and I don't want to share, but it's enough to make me sit up here next to him. You know what I thought? I thought you don't want to say it Be it's private If you would be throwing it in their faces. of like this is why, I don't think you want to say it because whatever he told you has probably beenenerated on the stage already. and it sounds familiar. You know, like when Dara comes up and she says This is how you are with women, this is what you do. I I guarantee you in Amanda's mind, she's thinking of the conversations and she's probably like, none of this differs from what we said in private. and that's what I've been holding ono. So now she's afraid to say it because they're going to tear it apart as bullshit because that's exactly what it is C Siera could be like he said the same thing to me or Derek could say he said the same he said the same thing to me I loved when Dara before Amanda came out, when Dara was like This relationship is what's gonna to make you like man up like come on West. That's not, this is not what's going to happen. Dere's monologue was Oh So good And I love that she did an even better job when Amanda came out Mhm. I can't understand After everything Dara said West said, yeah, I agree What Y what you said You're not gonna you're not gonna stand up for yourself at all. You're not gonna stand up for your Amanda's relationship at all. You're just like, yeah, I agree. I have treated women poorly. I don't really care about anyone romantically linked to me. I care about my career. I care about like he literally said I ree Now he said that when Amanda wasn't on the stage, but I think that's his whole strategy That's why he told Amanda, breathe and apologize His entire strategy saidays to not offend himself The only time he defended himself is the Wolf of Wall Street moment and There was something else Which had to do with Amanda which as with man it. likeike there was something else. Oh when he's like, like, you know, you said you you said fuck you to your wife. Of course, blah, blah, blah, blahah. That's the only time because again, he thinks that makes him look good. But I think his entire strategy has been Don't try to explain it Don't try to defend it. Keep it short I hear you and I'm sorry for that. Yes, I do have a history of that. I do know that. The only thing he slightly defends the miha of it all when he's like, yeah, I mean, we hooked up a couple of times or Yeah, she was with me the night before. He's just downplaying it as if it was nothing But yeah, it's I knew we were gonna to get that from West. I think what's bothering me is somebody will give this whole heartfelt you know, response or statement about something with Wes, And then there's a pause and Annie has to turn to both of them and say Do you want to respond? Yeah. You got to give And that's why I really think Wes' entire MO is Don't breathe life into it justust saying I hear you And I'm sorry You're right I lied because he thinks that'll shut it down. Like if I don't give them anything back, then how can they have more to work with And that's what he's doing. And to be honest, it's kind of working for him It's like' working for' seen him not say anything before in a reunion. So like it's it's working for him I think it's working for him solo, solo. Is that a word? sololy Solo, sol lo Slely Thank you. Flow Um Slly. He like my anger towards him like kind of goes down. And I think in the break, he's trying to teach Amanda like Hey, you got to play it like I'm playing it because my anger towards Amanda has gone because Amanda's playing it like, I've done nothing wrong. Am I not allowed to have sex with anyone? Am I supposed to be celibate for the rest of my life They were What about Uh This moment to me was like the moment where I was like She's delusional when they talked about Carl and Lindsy's commercial And Andy was like, how did you feel about that? And she was like I would have never done that to you guys post breakout and Sierra iss like, please, please, please. And Lindsey's like jaw drops. And it's like, yeah, girl, you wouldn't have done that. You would have done worse Like you have done worse Der should have been like Amanda, I would have loved for you to do a commercial with Jessse about me and Wes's breakup But instead, You fucked West Like I would have rather a commercial And I would have rather you monetize off of a bad breakup then you go and fuck The guy That's what you did. She did monetize a bad breakup She did a Buffalo Wild Wings commercial Well, yes, I know. But that's her own breakup. I'm saying she thought it was cringe. Did she ask Kyle how you felt about it No. She doesn't think she owes Kyle anything. She doesn't think I don't think she thinks what she did was even like that bad because I because through all of this, I'm like does not know how to be a friend Her world revolves around her and her feelings and how people make her feel. and it doesn't matter how anyone else feels about anything. But for her to sit there and act like she is on some moral high ground as a friend in that situation And you literally just did something a million times worse than what Lindsseay did is crazy. And the fact that Kyle and Sierra were like we were totally fine. like Carl and Lindsay, we were talking to us every single day, like we knew about it whatever evenven Kyle was like at first I was like, this might be a little cringe and then he saw it and was like, this is amazing Why would she worry about you and Wes's feelings Yeah. No, I thought those moments were really telling even more so to Amanda's personality or the lack thereof becausecause she was giddy. It was like that moment she was waiting for it. She was like, I thought It was really, you know, whatever she said, Distasteful. She was like, I would have never done that. I would have never She was waiting for that moment And that's where it's like the disconnect And this is why it's disconnect to have friends It's the disconnect of Oh, this is Like you don't think what you did to your point. You don't think what you did is bad because you're justifying it because you and West have had these conversations and this is real love, allegedly, right? Or this is these are true feelings or you're different different from everybody else. That's what he's told you, led you to believe, which is why you're sitting next to him you know, it was smirking on the couch notot giving a fuck about anybody on the other side. I mean, Andy literally says to you, it'd be really wild for you to go from the Kyle showh to the West showow. And she's like, yeah, but in her mind, it's like, well, it's not this is a different type of show. Or Kyle' saying, this guy parties twice as hard as me. Watching Kyle do that whole thing, I was like, he really isn't that like he's not that guy who yells at another person like that. You could tell he was uncomfortable even even asserting himself in that way. Amanda just like she fully feels like to your point again She's justified in that. and those I was This is a long way of saying this, going back to the tiny moments You see her personality. That moment She was ready to tell everybody I was ready to be done with Kyle New Year's Day. I looked at his location and he canon come home. I waited till The office opened back up again and I told Bravo PR that I was done. Like in her mind, she will continue to go back to how bad her relationship was with Kyle and that justifies everything after. E little moments when Part one when Mia is like, and I'm by no means saying your relationship with Kot was perfect. And she's like, it wasn't, it wasn't. And it's like, girl, the jig is up with that. We just like we know who West is And West is staying true to who he is. He's a piece of shit Kyle, we know who Kyle is. TheQestion is, Amanda, if Kyle was this bad didid you stay with him this long? Why did you marry him? Four years of no sex I mean, that's crazy. Four years and I am not here to excuse Kyle making out with someone or flirting with someone pay attention When you were refusing because I'm sure he tried to have sex with her. She iss the one who was shutting went down I am I mean, I think that's kind of obvious in the way that they they talked about the relationship. The human, again, I am not excusing this, right? been cheated on I cheated before, not in my marriage. I don't want anybody to say do all of that. Otherwise we know he would have filed for infidelity just saying People do have needs and four years of somebody trying to be with you intimately And you're shutting it down I'm not shocked that this kind of thing happened. Now, I would again say to Kyle Why did you stay with her for four years and there was no sex and y'all weren't in therapy. I just I justmana, you don't get to keep throwing that in the in theace in his face at this point. Like Kyle has been Kyle And it doesn't excuse what you're doing right now. It just doesn't I I don't know if I want to excuse Kyle's behavior but definitely explains it ' being like, I asked you to go out with me. I'm asking you to do these things. I'm like, you don't want to go anywhere, you don't want to do anything. you don't like Don't have sex. I just think that there was And then through in the city, I think we're seeing it a little bit more I don't know if you saw, but there was like a moment where he was on the call Lver boy call and he was like, C can I get Amanda's opinion? And you see the three girls on the call kind of be like Today, like Amanda doesn't get back to us. Amanda doesn't like, that's the overall feeling we get from Amanda on In the City is like, she's a bare minimum type of girl She's giving Ne to nothing. and then it flashes to Amanda and she's like cleaning her shoes or put her packing her shoes up and she's in clothes from like two days ago and it has her title underneath like Lver boy headad of markarketing, and they're all on a call and Amanda's packing up shoes From what we've seen and even it goes through their apartment and there's just like stacks of Amanda's clothes everywhere and it's very messy. There was a lot of issues in their marriage that Kyle vered up for Amanda And Amanda put on blast Kyes's issues in the marriage. Does that make sense Oh, perfect ss. I I'm not saying Kyle was right for it, but think that Amanda is as defenseless and as perfect and as like like That's the role that she wants to play. but after seeing like more and more into their marriage, I'm like D deffinitely took two of you guys to get to where you guys were So I'm not blaming Kyle any moreore than you. And I completely agree with you, Rachel. She could not wait to get to child did her bad. That's what she's been waiting for this entire reunion. She just wants to talk about How horrible Kyle was to her And why she should be able to do whatever she wants to because of that Yeah I loved when Kyle was like It's very obvious you walked into this summer not wanting to try to win I your relationship. Yeah, and it was I mean, we saw all the conversations she was having with the women. the way she tried to say, like I didn' bring this up to Sierra. No like, Sierra feels like she can make these comments to Kyle because of the conversations that she's had with you. That's only what we've seen on camera So I love that he's like getting this understanding of I really was trying. You were never and that's why you know, it was never going to work because you already had one foot out of the door. I mean, as soon as the summer was over, you know, she's moving into her new apartment and now we see her on or saying she needs to be separated and now we're seeing her on in the city being like, the lease is for a year. and I'm so excited to move in and live by myself for the first time Another moment with Amanda that I thought was telling was Sierra telling Kyle. She's like,, you know, I had to apologize to Kyle backstage before we came out because I felt like he was very misunderstood and I only had one side of the story and d, d d That. infuriated Amanda. She has more than her face anything else that was said. And I was like Yeah, Amanda does not like anyone taking Kyle's side or anyone thinking that she's not the victim. in their marriage That moment, that's such a good I'm so glad you brought that up because I remember Amanda smirking like And all that you've done over and again, this is not excusing Kyle They should have never been married. Okaykay? Like Cy and I agree on that. They should have never been married, but they were. So here we are. So this is how we're going to talk about it The fact that Because now like people are going back and watching old episodes and pulling things that Amanda has said versus Sierra Kale. I don't know if you saw the clip of when Sierra first came into the house with a loop And Anna like runs up and hugs her and Amanda whispers like, Really, you're just gonna to go hug the new girl or something like that. you know, why would you do that? And Hannah's like She's really pretty and I got really good energy from her. Amanda's first instinct was to be a mean girl. Hannah was like She is gorgeous. and I think she' a mean girl her. She's totally a mean girl. And that' it's like pulling that kind of stuff out. and I think other things that people are showing from the past is that People just like Sierum. People just love Kyle And despite all that Kyle's done, he's extremely charming And Kyle has a lot of friends and Kyle's easy to talk to. been around him. I'm like, G it, I get it. I get it. Sierra. Everybody's like, she's so gorgeous. She's so nice. She's got a heart of service. She's a nurse. She's so smart Nobody is saying these things about Amanda And there is this jealousy from Amanda and that it's going back to the statement Sierra seeing Kyle in that moment. And it's like despite all Amanda's efforts to paint Kyle a certain way. And we see in the preview of part three I'm sick where Kyle's like emmotional was like we're talking about our ten year relationship, like the whole thing was bad. That is how Amanda wants people to see it and how feel sorry for her in the moment that she was this battered wife And she had no choice but to seek you know refuge in the arms of the person she developed a true friendship with, and that should erase everything and everybody should just understand it because for ten years been suffering I think that moment, as you said, again, is so crucial because It didn't work And that's what she's really crying over. None of it's working. You talking about Kyles not spending the night at home you talking about You know, West was my friend and I fell in love. You talking about how you were done before and you wanted to put out like none of it's working Because we see you I'm Ama. We didt before be doing now hundred, hundred million percent. I think some people may have saw it early. I didn't. L I was just like, o poor Amanda, poor Amanda, poor Amanda And now that I see how she works, and I think that last episode of this season where Kyle where she kind of set up Kyle to explode and seeing her like smile through all of that, which I really wanted them to talk about, which they didn't Um Like everyone know, and even Kyle said it In the episode, he was like It seemed like she was relishing in my explosion I would love to know like why were you laughing? Why were you smirking? Like what were all those smirks Um We didn't get that. and we didn't get it This episode is brought to you by Accenture. When your advertising operations fall out of sync, campaigns slow down, insightes get buried, and opportunities get missed. That's why Spotify and Accenture are working together to reinvent the rhythm of ad sales, using automation, analytics, and smarter workflows to simplify campaign delivery and access better data across the business. 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It is impossible people for them to put every single epode. like they filmed from like seven AM toine nine PM They're really fourteen hours Lindsy got there at six. So let's say nine and nine to be because who knows how long like Glam took twwelve hours I have film down to three O not even three, less than three, like two in fifteen two, thirty There's going to be a lot left out. They have to pick the highlights, they have to pick what they think is most important. So there's going to be stuff that we feel like we would have liked more than you know the producers thought. And I do agree with you. I feel like they don't want to fully pile on Amanda You know, it's so interesting how Kyle's always like, I'm worried about our mentalalth, I'm worried about our mentalalth And I'm Mental health. She's pretty even. She's pretty H I don't want to accuse, well, we know she's on ProzZack, but I'm like She seems like vacant And When they're back in the back and Wes is talking to her and she has the blanket on her, I'm like Okay She's not And it doesn't feel like are you okay? likeike Ls like'll bad for you. No, it's not b. It's not like Wait, I'm actually concerned about her mental state. It's like What's happening here Who's there Who's playing? Is anyone home And like the only time she sparks up is when she's ready to like be wicked about it. becauseuse that's like she's very wicked. Yeah. I mean, honestly, that's the vibe you get from her. And I think West is getting that vibe And that's why he's trying to coach her through this I saw something online that made me laugh 'causeuse I was like, maybe You know how earlier, I was like, why didn't West like stand up himself at all? Like he's letting people say how horrible the guy is and how he's a clout chaser and blah, blah blah blah. He kind of just like sits there and nods through all of it. And I do agree with you. I think that's like his plan going into it. Someone was like, I think he kind of wants Amanda to hear all this and break up with him. Like in West's Dream worldorld, Amanda leaves him and he can like go to his own thing. Yeah Do you think that one of the best things that happens happened from all of this for West is that He can no longer fuck around the way that he used to because there's cameras on him twenty four seven. So where he used to be like he used to have like five girlfriends in all these different area or not maybe not full girlfriends. Miha seems to be like the only actual girlfriend he had, but like he had girls everywhere. And we found that out through the scandal and that he was hooking up with people left and right. People are on his ass now. like you're getting in Sicily likeike by regular people not paparazzi, but still I'm like he's not going to be able to sneak around on Amanda. like he has been able to this entire time, which other thing, Amanda kept yelling, I'm single I'm single. and I wanted to be like, wait, so you guys aren't even in a relationship. L you guys did all of this For what That's the Well, according to Amanda, based on conversations that she's had, it has made her feel un comomfortable to sit next to him and defend whatever it is that they're going. I mean, they might be girlfriend and boyfriend and maybe they just did not feel comfortable saying that which I understand They had a b w to go after her And Wes being like, oh, I wasn't sure if Andy had questions for me Yeah, it just what it so wait, yeah, you weren't sure that If Amy had questions for you, so you could sit there Dump and say give us three to twos. Yeah I'm like, o, you needed to make sure that if you had screen time coming up, you were gonna stay Yeah, but what are we about entvment its for Or maybe he would have talked more because Amanda What I don't know. I don't know, but it almost is funny because that's when after that around that time, Dar's like, it's the West show. And like that's literally what he was waiting for. Oh prime exact could go but I just to I thought you might have some more questions for me. I have a question for you Rachel When West and Sierra We're on screen And together, whether they were in a good spot or not a good spot. Like even when they were like you know, going at each other. You could feel chemistry that. I feel Nothing. West to Amanda. Do you see chemistry that I'm not saying No. But it makes me wonder in the same way I'm like, they might be boyfriend and girlfriend and they just didn't feel comfortable saying it. Or at the very end, when West goes, do you want me to jump in and defend you? And Amanda's like, no, it'll make it worse It's hard for me. don't I don't know if they have chemistry because I feel like they are being cold with each other Soill let, have a look at the Yankees game. And like seeing them out, I'm just like, I don't anything, which when Amanda was like, it hurt me and Amanda was like,, Sarah was like, No, it didn't. You were literally all out all over the place. You were at Yankee games. You were bar hopping. like, Amanda, this did not hurt you did you wouldn't have acted that way. But I don't think that she's acting I think she just does what she's told, which when Dara said, West needs a girl that will mold and fold to whatever his needs are, and it's up to you to decide what you're willing to sacrifice person like that. I'm like Yeah, unfortunately. we have seen her do this for ten years. She's already sacrificed it Friends, herer reputation. Do it' just like money Yeah I saying. you really could have walked out this being a bad bitch and you're just a sad bitch Instead, like it' it's like, yeah and we're bitches Like that's that's that's the whole thing. You know one thing it's really hard to calculate that. Like I'm like, you and Sira points this out, like you guys had conversations. So you sat down And you thought I can lose a very good friend I could lose Kyle as like just like, you know that we are cordial, whatever, I could lose my job at the summer house I will lose Publics. support of everything that I'm doing, my brands, my bathing suits, everything, the glow up that I could have had post this season after the divorce of of me leaving Kyle and everyone being like, finally, she's free. let's like Booster up and all that. I had to lose all of that For West And she sat there and said, Let's do it What Because Who is doing that I'm gonna answer my own question here because I really sadly I think this is the answer I said, why would Amanda stay Why would Amanda through if it was so yes. And then even like before and the marriage. And the answer really is right in front of us It's that Amanda As me she's never lived alone She doesn't know how to be alone She attaches herself to the next person. I don't think she felt which Kal pointed out And we we kind of said this before the reunion. I don't think she felt comfortable moving away from Kyle until she had her claws in for her you know, horcrus and West And then that's then she was like, all right, now I feel strong enough because I've attached myself to the next person to move on That's Amanda. And there's this moment with Kyle because it's just And this is what Amanda can't be. Kyle's so endearing because He clearly almost went up after Amanda He gets tearary eyed over Amanda. He still cares for Amanda, and I said this on the last podcast You're looking for West be there for you in a way emotionally, he barely put his hand on your knee And Kyle's still crying over you. And how do you return that How do you reciprocate that? don't reciprocate it, but what do you give him in return You say never wanted to go out with you, Kyle, and you just see Kyle break She said I like going out with Wes. I don't like going out. I never like going out. And she was like, you would get so wasted. And Kyle was like, are you kidding me? This guy party' two times harder than I did It is interesting that the entire cast, including Andy is like I mean, Amanda West is like a good time guy. L he is out in these streets every night. and ' scary being like, you said you didn't like going out at all. and now you're going out every night with West That's the thing where it's It's like you're already comparing your relationship with West or whatever it is to your ten year relationship with Kyle And that is super alarming That is what's so sad. And you know, like I'm sure that's why Kyle in part three is like, You're making it seem like everything that we had was all bad for ten years And it's like, how are you already in this place? where you're like, but West is different, But West isn't Kyle. Girl, all roads lead to hell. this relationship also a relationship when when, um when they basically say, like which she's basically saying like, West isn't Kyle, Kyle's like, yeah Yeah, damn right? Yeah He's not me. Andway I wonder if she sees that like you're going from one thing to the other and she's like, I'm single. so like this is different. And it's like, yeah, you are single, but like So you went from wanting all of these things with Kyle to all of a sudden, you don't want any of those things at all anymore Mhm. That mhm I don't because I understand. ' she because she doesn't understand Amanda doesn't know who she is by herself. Amanda as an individual Everything about her is tied to someone or something else Yeah herer look her the way she talks. the way she dresses the way she wears her hair the way that she moves around. all of it You can literally anchor it, it's anchored to somebody else or something else And You know, that's what's so sad about the whole thing. Do I feel sorry for you? No It is big I did did and your decisions have made me reevaluate a lot and I no longer do Yeah. Yeah Dam, you know, I walked into this podcast thinking, there's not much more I can say about Amanda. And here we are almost an hour later So on the Amanda and West. The other things we'll point out some other things before we go Please point out the star, my favorite person on the reunion right now. Dara I love Dera, but Mia. KJ. Oh, Mia Mia like doesn't have to say much, but it hits so hard every time she talks it's T out of ten When Amanda was like, I was embarrassed to tell Sierra that I had feelings for West and kissed him when he was in a relationship. M go Well it is embarrassing. L you should, you should feel embarrassed. Yeah. I think Amanda thought people would be like Oh well, at least she's got some feelings like W like she she knew that it wasn't right. like Amanda,, honey, you're not getting it It is embarrassing. You should feel shame. Shame You should feel it. Shame U wait, what was the other moment? I'm trying to look and through my mind when meia is like did not want to go Amanda. ye. C I was like, I almost went after her Lindsy's like, I did too two Bay's like, I did two. She's like, I did not almost go after. They were like, I almost went after her. I almost went after her. I almost went after her. and Mia was like, I almost did not never was going to And then when she's like, I mean, who's going to go after Kyle West like which one's going to go after It's like every single Ment. She gave more in the first one, but the second one, everything landed just as it should. She She was just still funny but I can't think of it She's seen Ster every single time. Every time. Every. Yeah. You know what else I really appreciated Carl and Kyle are like real friends Yeah And I know we've talked about it a little bit, but hearing Kyle say that like Lindseay and Carl and C are two, but we're talking to him every day through all of this. And even in the first episode when They when him and Lindsey are on the couch and Lindsay reads the statement West in Amanda's statement, to be clear, because there's so many statements And all people are calling in, like Jesse calls and he's like, what the heck? Like what what the fuck is going on? They're liars, d d da. Then Carl calls Kyle The first thing Carl says is like Hey man, I just saw their statement online, how are you doing You know what I mean? He's not like, this is crazy, d d d d. He's like, how are you I think it's very sweet way that they have been there for each other for so long. and we've seen it and they've even through ups and downs because like obviously if you're on TV and your relationship is under a microscope as friends, and they both have gone through So much in ten years. It's nice to see like how strong their friendship has been the entire time Yeah, even even Kyle and Lindsay like that The three of them ten years in this thing, it really is Lovely to see And you can see the real friendships that exist between people on the couch and the lack thereof. Like even did you see that moment when KJ puts his arms around I think it's been and Maybe Carl, I can't remember and he's like He was like, we lost one, but we're still strong guys.. I know I also think I'm double checking it right now before I say it but I'm Almost positive confirmed Lindssey has followed Carl back D did So they're following each other now. Good their friendship too. Like I think they're obviously meant to be friends and they were Very, very, very good friends before they started dating I really like that desespite whatever Lindsy tries to like put up her guard Carl's still like J great My mouse God. I miss our friendship. L nothing she thows at him. He just like bats away with kindness. It's just like I'll hear you I think S actually misses her. And so he's just like, I'm just gonna keep trying till she will be my friend. It's like I'm just wearing you down And I love that. I also liked Jessse talking about, first of all, Jesie and Kyle can thinkk West because He has made them look so good. that The table, how the table have turn, how the tables have turned Kyle and Jessseie, thanks to Wes being so awful U We were big Jesse haters over here and Kyle haters to start the season we're obviously Big bigig fans of Kyle right now. And I wouldn't say big fans of Jesse, but I like Jesse. And I like what he've said this reunion and I like that he hasn't stood up for West pretty much at all. But when Jesse talked about his music and Kyle made it a point because he's like, yeah, like I love music, I love my DJ career and everyone, including the fans wanted to shit on me being a DJ and d, whatever. L putting yourself out there. And I think what Jesse's doing is a little bit more than Kyle, actually writing and performing songs is incredibly vulnerable Um, Apparently people like it, but Jessse's doing pretty well. It's like a twenty five city tour. Yeah Yeah, and I've seen videos from the tour And venues are ke Listen, nobody said Jesse couldn't sing. I just said, and I stand by it. And if I was sitting on watch What happens Lve couch and he was next to me. say, listen, I like that you study music and you can tell that you're very passionate about it. You're just not doing this because you have a platform. and I respect that And I withusic think you can sing. However, in my rage, which I still stand by because I think that what he did to Sierra is very triggering for black women when they're the only one in white spaces. I said you were running around New York couse playing as Michael Booblay and you were Come You like him. He said he's one of his inspirations. Itspir O of course I'm seeing a little bit of Michael Boubleay in what you do. I didn't say that you're a Timu. Michael Blue Blay or anything like that. I don't that But Yeah, you were it was it was giving, I just haven't met you yet as you were running around the city. And that's fine. And I would explain exactly why I said that. O if I have to interview him or whatever, I do think that there should be a deeper conversation if I was sitting one on one or you were sitting one on one with Jessie about what he did in sexualizing Sierra, his friend in that way and thinking that, I mean, he's owned up to it, but like really understanding the complexities of it U But yeah, you know, I appreciate Jesie's tears and all of this I also do like that sh, I care so much Yeah. I think I also like that he said that like I did catch feelings for Sierra. And I made it I feel like he made it a joke to protect himself. likeike he made it jokey protect himself from rejection rather than just like being honest. But I do like that he admitted that and that he since that night, that Ser or day, since that day Sier had that conversation with him, he has said over and over and over again. likeike has not backtracked once did not handle the situation properly. Sierra deserves more than that. Like he hasn't ever gone because you know how like West does the little flip floppy thing? Jesse's just been like, yeah, I fucked up I do wish though that they would have said Why was it okay for you Wes to do what you did with Amanda, but you got mad at Jesse. Like're doing way laough For he's thinking about issuing had Yeah. you got mad at it because It was Sierra who you didn't want to be with and you allegedly had another girlfriend. and maybe that'll come out. went with the Miha of it all in partart three Which But I do hope they explore that. The Miha of it all is going to be interesting next. epod her saying that the night before Watch what happappens Live, they were together and he was like, I love you acting like everything is normal. And at that point in my opinion At the very least, H and Amanda, I've already kissed according to them, and I think probably' already hooked up at that point Yeah Like Amanda, what I'm also wondering because we know that me in Italy, I'm like has she watched these reun? H she watched the reunion? Does she know what she looks like? Amanda? Do are her has her parents watched the reunion? I thought that too. What do your parents say about all this I really thought that watching this episode. What does your family say Does she have siblings? I thought about that because the way she acts is like Her entire world has always only been about her. so I'm like And obviously, her parents have enabled her behavior, like the fact that Kyle had to call her mom would clean the apartment and the mom came and clean the apartment It says a lot about how they have like babied her and you can tell that she has been babied for her entire life, entire life, up to up to right now I'm like, is she the only child? L what's going on with her Yeah. I want and then like You would Brother, brother or sister, the siblings would check you Like my like what the fuck are you doing Your brothererss are even I'm sorry what No. Okay, my brothers my brothers would probably be like, I mean, if you really like him, they'd care less about this year of it all. But knowing who West is, my brotherers would be like, absolutelyana Exactly Exactly ike are gonna to hold me down through like bad decisions in certain scenarios. They're not gonna hold me down through a bad man. They're gonna be like, what are you doing Exactly Exactly. I don't know, but I don't know why but this made me think of the moment when Kyle was like, you were rushing me on the statement and I sent it to my mom, who's an English teacher I felt that was a dig of like actually had somebody check our statement grammatically and make sure that it reads correctly where you just you know chat GPTed or voice noted up, whatever it is, voice texted up, whatever that say is. That made me laugh. It was like my mom, she's an English teacher. I remember we love Cge. theirir statement was way better then H statement with West. Her statement with West It's inexplicable. It's still like What was said in it? what wasn't set in it, how it was framed, why they put it out? like all of it Very bad. We'll never understand that through line here Very bad The through line for me is like confusion. L I cannot understand these decisions. No, because you And Kaly because you're bill different. You don't want to understand it I know you've tried, I have too, and the reason you keep coming back to the same place is because you're built different Yeah, I guess, but I mean, even yeah, there's just like, it's everything. her decision with West her doubling down, her knowing that he had a girlfriend, her knowing the situation with her with him and Amanda, her knowing it was going to explode somemhmerhouse, her going and then having a bad attitude towards Sierra, her like it's like Over and over and over and over again. I'm like Wh iss advising you Now your point sel, where are You're Friends Katie D Lua's getting run through the because she keeps thr her name out there and it's not looking good for Katie I saw last thing I'll say, I saw this social media thing. I wish I could find it And it's this white man talking. And he's like black people Why did we stop saying trick ass, bitch ass like he's doing this whole thing and he's like, we need to bring that back because there's a lot of that out there. And to that I say, I'm gonna bring it back for this Trick ass. That's a lot of fuck shit going on around here. A lot. Tired forward to the ending of all of this. It's gonna be a celebration It's not over. It won't be over because we go right. to end the city with your bestie saying four words and episode Now let' ait a min I' let this slide because I do like her. I do like her, but I do like her It's tough to watch the show. because like I'm almost bored by it at the moment, to be honest, because of we go from the reunion to in the city. And I just needed to be off so in the city can stand alone because it's really hard. to watch it coming off of that I think it's hard for it to be enjoyed. I feel bad for them feel bad for the end of the city folks. I feel bad for summer who I called Lexi last Jack last episode. Did you see that Uh, what's his name the guy's name ool, Dave Port Nooy. ort Noy does like a recap after every like immediately following the reunion. And in his recap, he was like, whyy was Jackie on stage? They had her go. Sheidn't say a word. Andy said, nice to have you, Jackie and I'm like, This was Jackie. and then after he finished, I was like Oh, he was talking about Levi. He don't even know Levi's name. He posted this. He posted this thinking Jackie. I get it. No I get it. It's probably the only time me and today guys are going to agree. It's probably the only time. but I What was her point? she? when I said l. What was her point I feel sorry for if she was one in the bed. Like maybe she would have had more time on the couch but the whole thing and then Amanda leaves during her time. So it's like we didn't get any did we even get a package? We got nothing. herer whole package was how close she and Bailey are together leaving L looks like I missed a lot And you're about to go watch the rest of it from the couch. And then here comes Dara, a star Who comes ded matching KJ And which are monologue happening people think should live on in time about what you should consider when you're picking a man. and it's kind of like TBA for everybody It's just not for everybody. And that's okay And that's okay. All right That's it for us We'll be back on Wednesday. We'll be back on Wednesday because let's just be honest. it's all we're talking about anyway. We're going We're gonna to send it out Winscent Fullson We're going to be done. We're going to close the chapter on this. And we're going to cover some of the other wonderful things that are on Bravo So until then you guys, you ask for Wednesday recaps right after