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You got to bring in the big guns. Kelly Curry is out of town. she's not just out of town. She's like sailing in the south of France in such a lovely way. like Let's be first let me just say my guest co host is none other than Gibson John's, Friends of the show Gotta bring in the big I'm hored be honored to be here on such a big week. I really am and to fill in the big shoes of Kalli who was out in France. I saw she's at the French open. She's living her best life. I'm happy to fill in. This is This is the escape that West and Amanda thought that they were going to do by being in Rome. which I told Jodie Walker that it's very funny how they went to Rome, you know Rome fell Rome it didn't work out I'm just saying of all the places, you know, So Kalie's like, let me show you how. It really is, it really is. Wh you're there, just head on down to Pompe It's one of those things where I'm like, okay, I think they thought they would go to Italy and like not be spotted and to be able to get away and I'm like, You realize that like every American at point is going to Italy at some point in the summer. It feels like these days like you're going to be surrounded. You're also in Rome. I'm just att this point I almost feel like they want to be seen. but I think I think so too. You are so appropriately dressed for this podcast wearing a hat that says Bravo is my sports, which How could it not be at this point, guys This episode of Morally Corrupt is presented by Activia. Think your gut could use some health, dive into Activia's gut health challenge, and enjoy just two Activia yogurts a day for two weeks to support your gut health. With billions of probiotics and twenty years of scientific expertise, Activia is one of the easiest and tastiest ways to start your gut health ritual. Try activia today. Enjoying activia twice a day for two weeks as part of a balanced diet and healthy lifestyle may reduce the frequency of minor digestive discomfort, which includes gas bloating, rumbling, and abdominal discomfort Let's just dive right in. justust a little reminder, some notes for the next two weeks, we'll only be releasing episodes on Wednesdays to recap Summer House reunions. Calli will be back. I know a lot, I feel like a lot of people were like, where is the recap Guys, we heard you I feel the same way, Rachel, people want things Iediately around this show. It's pretty there's a lot of pressure. But a lot of pressure. Thankful that they're eager for our opinions. So we have heard you guys I agree. We are making the appropriate adjustments so we can have this this conversation back and forth right after the reunion while everything is so fresh. Also, Mory Crupt is going to be taking a little summer break. We're going to be back Monday, june fifteenth with our regular episodes and a special interview I might add. But before we get into the recaps, you know what time it is. It is time to debrief Summer House thanks to McDonald's. becausecause the drama It remains overflowing. And the only thing keeping us focused are the all new drinks at McDonald's. They just debuted six new specialty beverages from fruity refreshers with popping boba or freeze dried fruit to crafted sodas like the spriry berry blast topped with cold foam. These drinks are genuinely keeping us grounded which just more than I can say for anyone on our screens. Okay, Gibson Here we go I amm nervous because so many people are like, I'm waiting to hear what you have to say and I feel like everything has already been said. I feel like Before we dive in I feel like I have to give this disclaimer because I do realize that this is part one And I just want to say that I reserve the right to change my mind and change my opinions As we move through part two and three That's an important disclaimer But let's be fucking for real I'm not I wasm standing by how I felt in part one Shall we begin? Let's I've ever been alady. Okay First First impressions and by that, I don't mean looks. Everybody look great. Like I'm not I'm not here to dog people personally I mean, I will as this time goes on. Not everyone looks Beautiful First impression on how they were, how they presented, how their emotions were because There was such a stark contrast from everybody versus Amanda and West What were your thoughts on Your first impressions with Sierra's first reactions when we first saw her on our screen in partart one I was not surprised that she seemed emotional talking to Andy backstage. I thought that You know, there' It's not just the emotions of it. I feel like there's also the sort of added pressure of like this reunion to deliver. It had been built up so much by fans, by the network, by to sort of the circumstances. And so I think that that also added to it too, like I think Sierra want to go into this reunion saying what she needed to say and like not and like getting it all out basically. And that's a hard thing to do these in this moment where it's so heightened. So I wasn't surprised that she was emotional. I was happy that Andy didn't make us wait. nt you know, part two or three to really get into it because I think it was important to actually rip the band aaid off. Yeah get into the statement, get into sort of the high level stuff at first sort of like undo the valve a little bit. let some of that pressure out. likeike Sierra came out swinging in a way that she should have, but I feel like that kind of helped her get some of that built up energy out. you know, so that she could really collect herself And it's such a stark contrast, like you said, like to Amanda and West, who I don't know I don't know what they're they ingested. I don't know what they what the strategy was. I don't know. they are blank faced pretty much the entire time. It is this point. if you told me they had clones, I would believe it because Are they in the room with us Do they know where they are for West to come in and be like, I'm Zin. Once again, performing for the cameras, when we see Ser later say I feel like you're not being yourself. Nobody really knows who you are Who comes in after all this drama to say, I'm Zin and then expects us to believe it. These people think we're stupid. I'm gonna get into that too. Amanda and Wes actually think we're dumb and they do not realize how smart Bravo fans are. they may be petty. they may demand a lot Um They may be hard on you at sometimes, but they are one thing they are not is stupid And For some reason, they think we are. And you would think that they would have learned their lesson at this point because they thought they could get away with all of this. Kyle uses the word breadcrumbing, so to sierra And you didn't. So like Eough It's also like Amanda's been in this world for a decade. and not only that, but she's also been on the other side of this. She has been sort of in the quas I SR position where she's been DMed things about what Kyle's doing. and that's all from fans, that's all from people out in the world. And she didn't think that was going to be happening in this situation. Yeah. I don't it kind of ladders up into I don't know what they were expecting at all. Like They can't get their story straight. they seem surprised by some of the vitriol from Sierra and Kyle and Lindsey. I don't know In what world you're surprised by any of this? I don't I don't get it It doesn't add up. With Amanda, even though she's been doing this for so long, she's always been tethered to someone You know, I told Jodie this, Amanda is a horcrux She latches on sucks the soul out of them. right? But she latches on someone and they kind of are the representative of her. We obbviously she's done it with Kyle. So she's always set by Kyle at the reunion and she kind of can hide behind his behavior. She had Paige as a defender and Sierra as a defender before Now she's Aached to west for sure But West is not that defender. West is not gonna represent in that same way. So she's literally on an island by herself. and you see it, like there's so many moments where she turns to him in pure desperation prettyret much being like help And W all West can do is purse his lips together, which Exly. What was he doing with his mouth the whole time? Or in theended in the extended version when she's like, don't do that when you talk. Yeah. Did you catch that little com? It's the only time I agree with her. We all were like Eactly. Yeah, but you're right She doesn't have Kyle to defend her. and even without him, he still feels the need to step in for her at the very end of this first part has been doing so for so long. you know. And You're right. she doesn't know what it's like to fend for herself. and It's that beginning. the reason I start with like the first impressions and by that, I really just mean between Amanda Amanda Kyle It's wild. Sierra and West because I love something that you point out about the energy that Sierra comes in with when the reunion starts. because In the beginning, I think we needed to see that raw emotion from her apologizing to Kyle just to kind of show that she is really coming from a place of I am hurt. This is really hard, but I'm going to go in here and speak my peace thenen you jump over to Amanda and West and they are void of any emotion. Like you see that Sierra's anger that she's coming in with is rooted in her caring so much about what she lost in the friendship with Wesn Amanda and also and a potential lover and West where Amanda and West You know, you see' words like they kind of deserve each other. They truly are. like I think Amanda had a checklist in her head. She walked into the reunion like it was just This is my Friday to do list. I have to get through this reunion. I think in her mind, she said, okay hair and makeup check Pretend to care check Show no remorse, Jck. Make sure you call Sierra a friend. makeake sure you say you want to apologize and then, you know, I guess I'll add to the checklist continue to fuck it up because that's what she did She truly was like This should be enough. Me saying Sr was a friend and I apologize is enough. Can we move on now Can we haven't we had enough? That's the inter. But again, like in what world is that enough? And it just tells me that she is the wrong people around her who are either just yes people who are gasing her up saying, yeah, go in there and fight for your new man and don't be, you, be pretty unapologetic She has the wrong people advising her. and I understand you know, not looking at social media a lot because you want to sort of protect your mental health, I guess, but like Somebody should be telling her what people are saying. Some people should be informing her and filtering through, hey, this is This is sort of the common consensus. This is why people are angry with you. This is what you need to apologize for. Nobody's doing that for her. And I think she's kind of existing in this bubble with West that hasn't been penetrated because as they point out, I don't think Amanda has that many other friends. And that was a very telling moment when both Sierra and Lindsey are like, you're one other friend, Katie Deluca. like there's a reason they both know her pretty well Yeah, you know, they know what's going on in her social circle. She has no friends. I was literally, I was like she can't talk to anybody. is she gonna talk? do Gasper, the friendly ghost, or her imaginary friend? Nobody to talk to, nobody to check her, notothing, nothing except for West. And we know looking at West there is nothing going on in there. Nhing. There's like one marble rolling around in that head. Even Andy felt the weirdness. The way Andy was in that room with Sierra versus how he was with A manana and West, he was kind of like, okay. You guys are pretty calm. Yeah. evenven he was like noted. He probably was like, we got to keep this part into the reunion. It's like, I know West was thinking Nothing Newts Which girl am I going to text next when I leave here Nudes Bur because you know, I think that everything he does is is like stumbling over the birt He probably was thinking about sports. He was probably thinking about his nudes again He like it's just and then he's probably like, well, where am I going to go after? you think that But and totally and I also which West Village barb I get to go toand that. I also I think the nudes thing Listen, nobody's new should be passed around. Like that's it's illegal to be sending those around. But I think that him bringing them up right when he sat on the couch I think that was actually a fabricated moment. I think that he already knew about them. I think that he's already seen what was around. This is a last minute ploy to get in with Jessse or get some sympathy or get people laughing before the cameras really started rolling. That was That was a that was placent You know, that was not I liar He's like somebody hacked my phone Pictures are screenshot from Fr a snapchat From a snapchat. That's not a hacking of your phone. Then he's like something about Missouri I don't like West Shut up. Yeah, he says it immediately Immediately And also you know what that, you know what the tell was for me, Rachel, but he was like A I he in them? And it's like that means he knew he wasn't hard. Who's asking that? call Who's asking that? You know what I mean? Call out And it's like, if Jesse seen it and Carl's seen it? There's no way that somebody hasn't seen it to your phone. Again, they think we are stupid and I'm crazy. I'm outraged. Yeah. Taylor Armstrong enough 'm sorry enough Aough Eough. Speaking of at the beginning ' Sierra comes out of the gate, right? We haven't heard much from Sierr, so we know we're going to get a lot. And even Bailey in the beginning is like I'm happy that Sierra is going to be able to speak her piece And Everybody understands that except for Amanda, I even think West understands that I'm going give I'm gonna give him that. It's Amanda Wh doesn't understand it. And I think that's what enrages Sierra even more because I don't think anybody was expecting much. but As she says, shut up, you're gonna step out. You're gonna to listen to what I had to say. You're not going interrupt And it's like I said this before, but the audacity of Amanda in this situation where againain, she just thinks if she says a couple of things, that's enough And there is this disconnect. her not understanding the value of friendship And that's really what it is. And as I was like When would they start going through the timeline And I don't know if you catch sierra. That foot never stopped shaking Sierra's foot is shaking nonstop. You know, the only time my foot has shaken like that is when I was in that Chris Harrison interview If you look, my foot is So I know that energy. You know,' like she's trying to's like she's boiling on the inside, but she's trying to to keep it together And I was like, oh, I just feelt like so you know, like bad for her in the moment Because right I know what that shaking foot means Amanda What it was like as I was watching it for the third time, Gibson and I watched this three times, guys. We really tried to come I need to miss anything. I help Siously, I don't know if I can do this for part two and three It's not just the betrayal Right? there's the betrayal of what Amanda did to her. There's the betrayal of what Wes did to her. There's the p betrayal of the two of them being together when they go to the timeline and And she takes out her phone and she's like, Well, january seventeenth is the first time I noticed something And she's like, so that's before the announcement of the divorce Ser is like, I've text you to hang out with you and you ignored me So it's this realization that even before, if we are sticking to Amanda and West timeline. is this realization that you were dismissive of our friendship And would have rather been friends with someone else when I've been there for you for all these years. Like forget the romance part. I don't even know that's happening. But while you weren't, I was trying to be there for you as you're preparing for this divorce and this separation. I'm trying to be a friend because I know you have no friends. I'm trying to invite you out with my best friend and you're ignoring my calls and texts because you'd rather be a pick me with West It's like, you were never a friend to me. and that is the root of it all likeike it's the culmination of The betrayal of the lies with the West It's the dismissal. of the friendship. and we know Sierra doesn't make friends. That quickly, like she keeps her circle tight Amana was never a friend, and that's very obvious in the way that she handles her throughout all of this. And you thought it was based on the west of it all But but even before it, she was not her friend. And that's Yeah. I thinkes, Sierra is reflecting on how much energy she's put into this friendship and how little has been reciprocated to her in a genuine way. And whatever Amanda did give to her, she kind of just turned around and used for herself to help her get with West, essentially. Everything she taught was giving Sierra like that was kind of creating this version of West that Amanda could then take from her, essentially. And like I totally agree that the friendship betortrayal is the biggest part of this, even I think for Kyle and Wes almost. L I think that Kyle feels like he's being forgotten of this, but I think that this's the friendship part that we can all relate to in a way and that just feels like Total the deepest version of betrayal that I think that you can feel. and like Somebody said somebody told me recently they were like, yeah, Amanda was a bad friend to S her because She doesn't know how to be a friend. When you don't really have many friends, you don't know how to be a friend because you don't have that experience. And it a it's such an interesting dichotomy watching You know, Sierra and Amanda quotquote access out at the reunion And then also on the other side see Mia and Sierra be so strong together. Like it was such it's such a couldn't be more different between those two pairs of people. And it just shows you how little Amanda can give Sierra. 'cause she's incapable of it. Yeah, it is There is such a warmth to what Mia is giving. Like it like It comes through the television screen And it makes me realize That was never there. I mean, even if you go back to I think this was Pai's last reunion where she reads West for filth. maybe was this Second to last. L before, maybe Yeah. Yeah. She's reading him and the way she talks about Sierra Did we ever get that from Amanda Now We never saw. So it's like, of course, hindsights twenty twenty You've never seen Amanda do that. even And I think that's what we see Sier very vulnerable this season. And even when Sierra is at the table at that dinner that time midseason and she's talking about what it is to be a black woman on Bravo and to date someoneacial interracially and how hard it is for her. And we see West center himself, right? West is like, yeah, I know. peopleople really hard. I was called racist. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. let me still a mana's fuck off and throw it at West And then Amanda gets up Hug Sierra And now I look at that and I'm like, you did it because you were assessing the situation and you knew that's what you needed to do. But you really didn't say anything because there's a lack of understanding, there's a lack of feeling, there's a lack of connection there You don't understand what Sierra is actually going through. and probably because she doesn't take the time to Aain, that is evident in the behavior that we get on the couch Question for you. Do you think becausecause I love that they kept The camera kept going back to Amanda and West on everything I kept thinking something, but I want to know what you think here. Do you think with the two of them sitting on that couch regret where they are I think West regrets it, I don't think Amanda does I think West feels essentially stuck in this situation that Am I think Amanda has probablyably since the beginning of this getting physical again, regardless of when you thought that actually happen I think that Amanda sees him as like this cool guy can she can kind of climb the ladder with and he can give her kind of this clout that Kyle never really had. even though Kyle's a DJ, he doesn't have that cool factor that Wes kind of always quote unquote had. I think that that's how she views him Kate Casey has this theory that she's kind of morphhing into Haley Bieber and West is her Justin Bieber. like And so but I think that West to him, I don't think Amanda was ever anything more than this person that I got physical with that he had a deep connection with. I don't think he wants to be in a relationship with her in that same way, but now he has to be because there's all this public pressure. Imagine D this reunion dumps her. Yeah. It' even worse for him than it already is. Like the fact that it could get even worse for him is crazy, but it would have gotten worse. And so that's why they're in Italy together. That's why they are going to probably be together for six more months before they break up. and That's the best advice my got You think they're going be together for six more months? I think they're going to try to be together until the temperature really does drop around this. and I don't know exactly when that would be But I think they know they have to stick it out. West is probably on some kind of AI trying to figure out how do I exit out of this? What is my exit plan? Hey Chat, this is my solution. Hi. I'm West Wilson. How do I successfully leave this relationship and maintain my reputation at the same time. one hundred percent. And if he didn't, he's going to use the prompt that I just gave him to get that start.ight Exactly. And this' the same AI tool that he used that they used to that they joked that they used to write the statement. Right. And then when they were shing, they were like, just kidding. Yeah, I just I couldn't help but think when I looked at the two of them together, which Also, you can tell There is a lack of closeness there When they were in the dressing room, sitting on the couch, there's It even felt like a tension between them. and maybe they were being respectful jump on me when I use that word of like not holding hands and being close with one another, but even when she was going through it He was not comforting her and maybe something clicked at one point. He like put his hand on her hand, but there was nothing. behind it. There was no sincecerity sincerity. If you knew nothing and you just looked at them with no words You wouldn't think that there was anything romantic between the two of them Tuly. I mean, but Amanda's cold. Amanda's cold and West is and West can't do anything. I mean, do we see in the in the trailer that at some point, I'm guessing it's kind of right after this part one ends. I think she storms out after that coming from Sierra. We saw in the trailer, she leaves and they're all like, go get your girl, G get your girl. and he like doesn't. I mean Yeah. She's incapable of saying the right thing, doing the right thing. It's just It's rough it is. And some of me is like, I don't know if I want him to talk and I'll try to get to that at the end. And then some of it is like, no, we need more. If I had one complaint It's just that There were times when he was going to say something or Amanda. and I'm like, I need Sierra's question was great And he was like, what do you wantan to know? And he's like, she's like, I want to know why. We still haven't otten that yet And we still have two more parts. I totally agree Yeah. there's a lot of interrupting going on and there are some loose ends that I need. Tide notot And the big one is Mia saying Amanda Why did you do this? Why Why are you doing this And they we don't get an answer. I forget to interrupts or whatever, but we don't get answer Rachel. The network interrupted us. When we did the hardcut God bless her, but when Lexie started walking in, I was like, get her out of here. Get her out of here. We are not ready for her yet. Get her out. She looked great, beautiful, but like get out. I was furious because I was like, I see where this is turning I see where this is going. Like I can't even get into all of that. But yeah, like the regret thing I thought If I, if you're west And you think you're smarter than everyone and you think you've played your cards right. and you clearly have played them wrong because you see where you are at this point. And now you have to sit here and pretend to your point that you're into something that you're really not that into. And then that becomes even harder because you're sitting next to somebody who you thought was gonna be the victim, but now you're sitting next to someone who no one holds in high regard based on her behavior and her actions post well kind of this season, but also but definitely post this season. You realize if you even care, She's not a good friend, She's not loyal and the woman who actually adored you, who actually loved you and cared about you. People are singing her praises because of her heart. because of her service, because of her loyalty, because of her looks And then add to that the girl that you bet on They're sitting over here calling her weak calling her mute Sing she stands for nothing, saying you're only with her because you want to be the star in this relationship And she will never be that star. And then the woman who's saying that to her is shining so bright ual star. Like I just feelt like that's kind of how West was just sitting there. And then you're looking at Amanda almost as if I think she believed what she was saying and this is not an excuse. I'm giving her nothing. I'm paying her dust. But I think she truly believed I didn't have a choice. I just fell for him. People fall in love. I think she in her twisted mind actually believe that And I think that maybe on that couch, she'll never admit it actually was like Oh wait what Oh wait you guys have never done that Oh that's not normal. Ag, because who is she talking to? At this point, Katie Deluca needs to stand up for herself becausecause in my mind, Deluca is Amanda Batula. The only reason they've stayed friends for such a long time, it has to be because there's a similarity there. So I need her to stand up and say I've known her for a long time, but I am not like her Because until until we hear otherwise She is Because who else are you talking? No And I think she's been supporting the relationship. Soah don' a hundred percent. There's just no way She's not going to stand up. like she's not going to. And if she does And if she does, I'm not going to believe it. Sorry. you know I was not I'm just not. And I think as Amanda was sitting there like Oh wait Oh wait, I thought that they would be like, yeah, like I could see that She's sitting there and she's like, West is Bad friend West is H a girlfriend? Like think of all the things that are happening. West had a girlfriend or It was exclusive West was sleeping with. She's like, ye, yeah, we talked about that Did you? We know that he was a forthcoming about his relationship with Sierra or whatever that was because she's like, I didn't know to that extent He tries to say ear what does he say? ear jamming? Ear stuff. E stuff E. E stuff. He's like trying to downplay it like West, we have eyes. We totally see it You know, So she's sitting here like he's a liar. he's downplayed with H girlfriend He was exclusive, Miha. He's downplaying what he had with Sierra. Bad friend. He was a bad lover to Sierra doesn't take up for you Like you're sitting there, you're looking for help. He has nothing to give you, but you're looking at Kyle who still has tears and emotion for you. Your ex husband, who you You and West betrayed still has more emotion for you than the guy sitting next to you who you're betting it all on. West is sitting there wrinkled, West is sitting there disheveled and Burpie And I just think she's sitting there like, what did I do They really do. they can't We willll never know this. But how could'll never know and she would never admit that. I know. It's like but it's again, it's just sort of like anybody with eyes can see this, I guess, but for some reason, I don't They're blinded to all of it. And I think that like the thing about like Miha, for example, she's like, yeah, we had this long conversation about that. I'm aware of that The reason why Amanda this seemingly okay with that is because she feels like West chose her over this other person that he was exclusive with. He chose her over Sierra. that and that, you know we know that she Amanda doesn't know who she is without a man. And we've known her for ten years with Kyle. Now we know her. with West for a couple of months here and like that's who she That's how she kind of finds a lot of her identity, I think, and how she's sort of understands who she is. it would have been so much better for her to G out of this relationship with Kyle Be single. you know, going on the streets like Wes said, like going on the streets, but alone and figuring out who she is without another man. But now but she doesn't there's too much insecurity there. She had to hitch her wagon to somebody else and feels that validation from him choosing her. and It's just sad, honestly. It's honestly, just like sad to see that. Just like, what like It's pitiful It's it's beautiful Yes to watch it And at this big age to realize Like if she had left the marriage to your point, and said, I don't really know who I am because for ten years I've been in this relationship and now marriage and I'm learning myself again, totally understandable as a person who's been divorced. that you're starting over and you're rediscovering yourself. And there's a sense of empowerment in that I wish I had written my book so she could read it. Actually, I might when I'm done, I'm going to give her a copy. and say Here you go. takeake care. You're still a gutter rat. But take this. there might be hope. There might be light at the end of the Ras can read Rat can read. But it could have been a moment and time And if she had a friend, they could have helped her with that. And there was somebody trying to be your friend, but to your point, her identity is attached to a man, Horcrux. And so for her, it's like, this is how I find myself again through this other person Yeah. and Kyle put on threads, you know, this whole idea that West kind of saw what was happening with him and Amanda last season, started to get close to her, be there for her as their marriage was disintegrating because he saw her rocket ship was going to blast off as she was going to be the next Ariana, the next page where, you know, it's this woman coming out of the relationship in a big season. you know, that Kyle sa that's his big theory. likeike that's really what he views as happening here. West sees himself or he wants to present himself as a champion of women by being there for the woman and not the man. And I agree with a lot of that. I do. But I think that my my issue with that with that argument though, is it still gets back to this idea that Amanda has been infantalized for the past ten years by the audience and everybody around her, because that robs her of any agency in this. It kind of foregoes any of her own decision making in this. And it's like, well Two people made this decision to jump into this relationship or affair, whatever you want to call it So like Yes, I believe that West is with Amanda for what he viewed as potential clout. But I also think that Amanda is just as culpable in her deciding as a thirty three year old woman to jump into this relationship as well. And so I don't I hate when people sort of act like she is a twelve year old girl who can't make decisions on her own. R. Alln newew Sundays at nine exclusively on AMC and AMC plus I st. I'm a rock star now hand Rice's Imortal Universe comes what Vulture calls the most momentous event in fictional rock history. Thousand of. I want millions Smider. This is the Fampirelist Dot. All new Sundays at nine exclusively on AMC and AMC pllus stream now. 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Try all the new drinks now at McDonald's Baah,a I do want to get your thoughts before we get out of here because we can keep going on just like some of the other things because There is this idea, and I think that we agree that they really think that they were smarter than us, that they outsmarted us. and we see that throughout the whole thing. And we know that that's not the case simply because if for nothing else, that joint statement The joint statement, we knew that we were dealing with tweedle D and tweedle Dum But for some reason They don't get it And so You see this not understanding, I want to know your thoughts on this because I say she's anti friendship, right? She comes in here, she says the word friend. Sierra is my friend. She'es present tense Yeah He does. That's how sh Ear is my friend and then proceeds to cannot be a friend and we know that she hasn't been a friend of her. So she doesn't understand the definition of friendship. We got that What were your thoughts on her talking about when they get to the point where Sierra goes, you're downplaying it. And she's like, I'm not downplaying it and then proceeds to actually say something that is the definition of downplaying It got it was just so, I think it gets into the idea of like she came out and she was like, my intention for today is to apologize to Kyle and Sierra. And that's when Sera She starts to let the energy out and she's like She can finally say our names this time. And she's like, what And she kind of like like kind of gasps at Sierra, like having some reaction to that. And then she proceeds to not apologize to them essentially. And like that That just would have been such an easy thing for her to be like, yeep We should have said you your names in the statement pereriod. move on. But instead it's, well, this is what I was thinking. It was a lose lose situation. It's like, no, give some concessions. say that you were down say that you are downplaying it. sayay that you should have said their name. Its like just agree. They were they were never going to come in and apologize about their being together. That was never going to happen. They think that they think they're Bonnie and Clyde them against the world. But there were things that they could have conceded to them and given some sort of things over that like would have shown that they are maybe somewhat in touch with any self awareness in this whole thing. But they weren't able to do that. And I think part of that for me is also the timeline that they wanted us to buy Yeah, the fact that Okay. The fact that I'm so glad. yes. I the timeline. Ple each other at each other's apartments on january seventeenth. They're going to intimate dinners in Miami around the Super Bowl. They're doing, you know D you Portno I I don't want to say his name, but Dave Fortnoy says that They were telling people they were together at the Super Bowl in mid February. They didn't kiss both. They want us to believe they didn't kiss until twoo weeks after that. The way now responding again, they think they're smarter than us The way they were brrunch West being like, I said to her. They laughed at him when he said it though. I thought that was funny. like ' like' funny. O am I feeling something here? It's like, that's not what happened The most infuriating that made me like so frustrated was when they said the first time they had sex was after the statement I was like, guys, C Wh is prettyy thing? Wh is whereere's Chat GPT and all of this? Like they could have crafted this better for you. They could have made up a better timeline You bet it all on the possibility Right on the possib. Also they Rachel, that's the whole thing. they can't get their story straight. Were they betting at all on them together because they feel so serious about each other and they they have this like this insane connection they can't ignore, or is it We're trying to figure it out and we're seeing where this goes. They were arguing both things at different times. And that's where I'm like, get your fucking story straight, a line. Well also Do you not think we have been following this like we are students in a classroom We have been following read the pages and and u bloggers and podcasts like it's the Bible We know that there was allegedly a photo or a video out there and you were trying to get ahead of what could possibly come outact. And we know in the leaked audio, thank you to that former employee that you said you were worried about that. That is why You didn't there's no way you blew up your whole life on the possibility of what would what could happen, but yet You want us to believe that. And then that you had sex after. L even Jesse Jesse woke up. Jesse goes. Yeah he did. Come on. guys. like just tell the truth. stop lying. And you hook up Eactly. Go over so much better Do you think they're cutting around the video thing a bit? Yes They're not going to mention that at all. But that's the whole reason why they went public. Yeah. I think they're going to cut it out because The person took it without their consent.. I don't know if New York's a two party consant state, but I think right illegally that's the fear And it just feels like we're losing an element of why they why they went public. Yeah theirir hands were forced, you know? Yeah. But and it doesn't it doesn't This doesn't make any sense. And then the statement didn't help. I mean, I will say, I was like Overall, the thing about this reunion is that like I think we mentioned at the beginning, like there was so much and it was built up so much And like one of the things that I I'm honestly proud of Sierra four is that she She did what needed to be done, essentially. And like The success of this reunion, quote unquote kind of predicated on her, which in an unfair way, but she it was like She was the one that was expected unfairly to go after Amanda, to go after West. And I think most of the other cast is kind of going for West and she was the one that had to kind of take it to Amanda. I think. And she's doing so. with a mom. like she is doing it. like and she's Some of these interjections that she made were just inccredible when when Andy was like, You know, do you wanted to get more into it? And she said, we might as well discuss the details before before I put them in the ground and cover them with dirt. I mean, if that's not like Is about poetry then I don't know what it is. It's iconic. It will live on. someomebody said she went to the schoolchool of Phaedra Parks. That's a statement that will live on. through time. through our Bravil universe It was so good So good. It was right comes from a place of sincerity. you know, like I want to hear what happen and then I'm done. I'm washing my hands of it or I'm burying it in the ground and I'm going I'm going to put a tombstone. Here lies the friendship that I had. Yeah Sweedle D and twweedled Dom. Before I let you go I need you to really quickly tell me what you thought about Bailey because I teased that I was going to talk about this. Yeah, let's talk about it. Let's four minutes. Yeah Did it surprise you? Did it? 'cause Lindsey goes, Oh, I feel like we unlock something. Did you feel like Bailey's getting a lot of praise from what I saw? And I'm not here to criticize. It was surprising to me that her energy was on level ten. when it came to Ben, especially sitting right next to him I think my initial reaction to it was that, which was like, go off bairly, like like that was like Great I think if you have I' on, you know, watch number two, watch number three of this, I think there's a little bit more of like a I think the second watch, I'm like, all right, you know what? you're getting your other season secured. This was the Bailey and Ben thing was kind of Bailey's biggest opportunity at this reunion if you want to look at it that way. you know what I mean? to really have a moment And she got herself a moment. But I do think that there's like more nuance to what went down between them, then then perhaps it is getting sort of discussed because there's not so much time in this reunion. But I did I was really shocked though how much percentage of the discourse on Reds was about Bailey and Ben after this reunion. I was like, that was a five minute thing less than that and epic People are really debating that. Where did you land on it after three watches I agreed with what she said From the jump, I didn't like her delivery. It was a little off putting to me I thought she brought up new things where I was like, Huh, you gave us we got it to see a new clip of the way that he talks to Sabrina. She clearly adores Sabrina. She wants better for Sabrina. I think this term is overused, but I do think Bailey is like down for the girls. She's a girls girl didn't like what she saw, but I really think Now that she knows who Ben is She is embarrassed at the way she was fawning over him so deeply in those first few episodes and she needed to redeem herself with this moment. I absolutely think she was there to secure her season But it was like, no, say, I think you talk bad, I don't like the way you talk to women. She gave examples, but then it was like, You're full of shit, which he does seem to like tell half truth Again, I agree with her in this, but then she's like, you're a jackass. You're like I was just like relax a little like the deliver was strong. It was strong. likeike. I'm embarrassed. at how I willcome sayating. Let's not forget how she was drooling over this man Shen't form sentences. She had word vomit. She had to like leave the room when he was there. I mean, this she was obsessed with him. And then he turned out to be somebody different. So I just thought that that's why she was overdoing it a little bit. But I like Bailey. and I do come back. I see that No, I see I totally see that. and I think that It doesn't help that he's not very good at this. so he didn't really give he couldn't really give much. desespite his reality TV experience, he's not very good at this I think that Bailey' somebody who, if she like fine tuned her delivery and found better moments for herself, she could be a really great person on the show going forward Um Yeah, I would' have lik to hear more about the Sabrina aspect of this actually because I think that she's also a pretty divisive figure in this show in her couple episodes And then Bailey also did like like a statement on her Instagram story that was like, takeake it eas in everybody. like like, you know, we've squashed it, you know, she kind of was then she was walking back sort of. The Bunion part. It was not when Amanda admitted in a confessional, againg, not that Amanda's the most reliable narrator, but she did admit later in the season that Ben did indeed want to sleep with her in that pool at that wedding in Italy. and said there was a text message.ank. That's literally where I was going to go. I need them expound on this. Why did we not get more of this? And if we don't, I'm going to be very upset because that was a big deal. I know we have Bigger fish to fry. but if we're going on things of what we want to see in part two and three, I need them to talk about that. Is Amanda telling the truth? Is she not? Why would she put this out there? Why would she say that? Why would she continue to be disrespectful to Sabrina and Ben's relationship? Even if it is true, keep it to yourself, what benefit do you get from this? Again, pick me, he chose me. He wanted me. That's always her energy through it all. I cannot believe we still have two more parts So get c. It's crazy. Gibson. But Rachel, I do want to just say my favorite part of the whole reunion The the one two punch at the end of this part of this part one where Lindseay goes in on West And then Sierra takes that. that lay up and just slam dunkks sit on Amanda. I mean That is the moment to me that will live on sort of beyond this moment in time. Like that At least at least from what we've seen, that just felt Like really special. I watched it in a movie theater. Bravo I rented out in IC movie theater in New York. And when that happened, the cheering that happened in the c moie the was It was just that moment to me just felt really special. Yeah just like epic. It was like if Sierra was the lead if Sierra was Beyonce, Lindsey played the perfect role of Kelly Rolland because she filled in the gaps of like If Siera missed something to your point of going towards West It was like when she's like, you're so good calling him out on you think you think you're doing a good job, but we see you and we always have. We just let you get away with it. but now like you've gone too far like we can't continue in the same way. And I love the way that she called out and then you know, and Lara said what she said about Amanda. And again, they sat there and thought regret And it's the only time we saw a motion from Amanda because it had to do with own character her own character. It was be that cut deep. It's the only time she can feel something. And doesn't that say it out? And how wild to hear CRSA Maybe you will work out That's almost like a pity endndorsement, you know, it's almost like Yeahah, how dreadful? She's above it. She' dread. Yeah Yeah. Yeah Yeah, how dreadful How dreadful it, thank you so much for joining us here on Morally Corrupt. You brought the best opinions made me think outside the box. We have this is a marathon. okay. So I want you to brace yourself, do something great this weekend, detach for a second and then we're back at it next week. We're back at it. That goes for you guys. Let's all touch grass. Yeah Let's all touch grass this weekend. I know we all need it. I mean, again ween us, we've seen this reunion six times, already against only part one. So I do think we need to be outside this weekend. It is summer. but we'll lock back in for Tuesday. We really will. We definitely will. Thank you so much for joining us here. Come back. Thank you for having me. This was so fun. whenever, whenever you want me. Big thanks to Gipbs and Johns for joining us on the podcast. That's something that I could not do by myself, so I definitely needed his help to go through all of that. and we still didn't even get to everything. We didn't get to talk about KJ and what he revealed to us and everything that he's going through. We didn't get to talk to Mia and even her vulnerability and talk about her loyalty and all of that. We didn't get to so many things, but we still have Part two We still have part three and guys, we do this show twice a week. now not these this next couple of weeks because as I announced at the top of the show We are only going to be doing Wednesdays, but we're not going to miss a thing.'re Definitely staying on top of everything. You know, Cali doesn't miss a TikTok, a tweet, a thread, a social media, an Instagram story. So we will definitely tap back in with you guys on Wednesday. Stay tuned Okay, I feel like I need to take a breath after all of that. 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