Singleton's Life in Florida

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Me and Annie are painting our rim and I think that I want to do like everything white with one accent wall, but then your room makes me feel like do I want it to be like darker and homier? That's why I like it because it's like moody. Yeah you're a moody bitch. I'm a moody bitch so this works out really well. But this isn't a decorating podcast. It's not. What are we talking about this week? Death, crime, yes. But you know what? This one is kind of good because it has a happy ending. Hey! So, I mean, there's some there's some sh it along the way. Spoiler alert for sure. But we're gonna be doing one where some badass lady somehow against all odds, in a situation that none of us could even fathom being in, somehow pulls her shit together and survived. Yeah, this case is Bunanas. Like badass woman alert. We are doing the case of Mary Vincent. And she is a baller. She really is. And we're going to focus mostly on Mary. Mm-hmm. We are gonna talk about her attacker because he did some other shit too that affects her as well. But we're gonna focus it mostly on Mary. Yeah, because she's a band. Because she's where it's at. There's a little true crime news that I'm sure everybody has heard about by now. We might have a new very prolific serial killer on our hands. He's caught, luckily. But this could be insane. He could be one of the worst. Yeah, I don't know much about this, so fill me in. So this guy's name is Samuel Little. He doesn't have three names, but you know, we'll take it. Um basically he could be one of the deadliest serial killers in history, which is crazy. He has admitted to Texas Rangers that he played part in more than 90 unsolved murders in 10 states. Whoa. Uh so he is 78 years old now, and he's serving three life sentences in California for killing three women. So he's already he's already away forever. And they said that so far they're able to match over 30 cases to him so far. Yeah. And that's that's like all that they like that's just 30 so far. And they said they have no false information coming from him. It's all been up to snap. So how did they how did they get him? I don't know exactly how he got arrested, but for the three women, but he obviously he got caught for other murders. Sh it. Um and like I said, he would this would make him one of the most prolific serial killers in US history. Ted Bundy confessed to thirty. Mm-hmm. John Wayne Gacy killed at least thirty-three boys. But I think the Green River Killer had forty-nine that he was convicted of, he confessed to 71. Woo! So this guy would pass him, which is insane. Damn. But so he has 30 and how many more? They've at least been able to connect 30 to him, but he's confessed to 90 and he's giving information to police about these 90s. How the fuck do you kill 90 people? I'm saying. I guess he started way back in the 70s. The 70s were a wild time. Yeah, they really were. He's he's linked to possible deaths in Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Ohio, and Texas. Wow. Yeah. So this is kind of an ongoing thing, so it's gonna be kind of one of those things that more shit is gonna leak out as we go. Whoa. But it's crazy . So we'll definitely be on the lookout for that one. And I think the only other thing that's been happening lately is that Chris Watts shit, the guy who killed his wife and his children, and then blamed it on his wife because she's dead and can't defend herself. He's the male version of a con . Yeah, exactly. And now his mother is coming out and saying that the wife killed the kids. Like my baby couldn't have killed his whole family. And it's like that's exactly why your fucking asshole son is the way he is. Yeah. Because his whole life, his mother probably bailed him out of all his shit. Everything. It's like, nope, you need to look in the mirror and know that your son is a fucking monster who annihilated his entire family and his pregnant wife because he had a mistress. And how do you say that about somebody that's a dead? Like, oh no, they killed all kids. It's it's like you know not oh it just makes a crazy. That case makes me nuts. Um but yeah, so that's I think that's all the stuff we have to catch up on. The case that we're talking about this week is like one of my favorites. It is, it's such a good one. I heard this case when I first started listening to my favorite murder and I was in my car driving to work. On the edge of my seat. Oh yeah, it's insane. Like there's um I'm sure you guys have all heard of the show I survived. It's so good. It's so binge worthy. It like, but it's stress, it's very heavy. There's a lot of heavy shit. And I can't watch it like live. Yeah, it's hard. Me too, because I need to take a break. Yeah. And I have to fast-forward through the commercials. Oh yeah, for sure. Like they keep you on such a Oh my god, yeah, 'cause you know you're like, I know they're gonna survive, but I need to know how. And this one in particular, I still to the I at this moment I still cannot understand how she got out of this Oh and I mentioned I mentioned I survived because there was an episode about Mary and Vincent. So go check it out 'cause it's a really good episode. Uh listen listen to this first though. Keep listening. Please. So um let's dive in. Uh September 29th, 1978. The 70s, man. Damn 70s. Mary Vincent was a 15-year-old girl living in Las Vegas. Uh she from all accounts it seems like she kinda had a troubled home life. I don't think there was anything no excuse I shouldn't think. I there's not a lot known about her home life growing up. Right. I know she was in a military family . She probably moved a lot. Uh at fifteen she was kind of at odds with her parents. And from what I read, it seems like she ran away from home this day and she was gonna be move run a running away to California at 15, which is like so young to me. It's like I think of me when I was 15 and like I can't even yo sorry mom but I was about to run away from home at 15. There's been plenty of times where I was like, I could run away. I could run away. Fifteen is a t is and you know what? Fifteen is a shitty age. Oh yeah. Like I don't know anyone who was like, you know what? Fifteen was a great year for me. I had l everything going on. I had it all figured out. So you should have a show that's like fifteen. I survived. I survived fifteen. 'Cause it really is that bad. It is. Like fifteen for me was shit. Absolute shit. Yeah, same. So th thanks, high school bullies or junior high bullies. Um so yeah, so she was living in Las Vegas. Um on this day she was hitchhiking from Berkeley, which was her uncle's house in California. Okay. And she was hitchhiking to her grandfather's, which was n somewhere near Los Angeles. I'm not sure exactly where. I also don't know California that well. Sorry, California. I was listening to California Love on the way here. Of course you are. California . Of course you are. Uh R I P people . Or is it R I P? Or is he living somewhere? I don't think so. I know. I know. I I love that conspiracy theory though. Um actually shout out to Last Podcast on the left just for like a quick little break. I was like I couldn't stop listening. Oh yeah. I honestly I love Last Podcast on the left. Every case that they have covered they have covered so well. Like they just did, I'm just gonna plug them, like like they need it, but whatever. They just did the West Memphis 3, which we will cover at some point. But that's gonna be a very long, very research-heavy case. Yeah. They did it in like three episodes, and they did it so well. Because you feel like you know everything about that case, but they did it and you felt like you learned more. Yeah, so shout out to them. So on this night, on this day that she was hitchhiking, she was standing on the side of the road with two other hitchhikers. They didn't know each other, they were just all hitchhiking somewhere. Um they all had signs saying where they wanted to go. Now this is when Lawrence Singleton, Larry, pulled up in a blue van. Mary described him as looking like a friendly grandfather type. Like she was like, he's older, he looks like he could be my grandfather, and he was old enough to be her grandfather. So she felt immediately like comfortable, which is not a good thing. Also, apparently he was wearing blue overalls. And like here's the thing about old dudes in overalls. Don't trust them. Well especially you generally get two kinds of old dudes wearing overalls, either sweet farmer types who just want to tell you the best way to get the beefiest tomato crops, or hillbilly mutants who think you look like their sister. Hillbilly mutants. So no bueno. If you're taking overalls or a no. Yeah, don't get in the car with someone who has overalls. Like sorry, everybody who wears overalls. I want a pair of overalls, but don't get in the car with me. No. Like just don't do it. Too much room for computer building. Yeah, exactly. So Larry was like, I only have room for one of you in here. Meanwhile, he had a van. Which is low key alarming or excuse me, high key alarming. Like that's a that's a red flag. I would be like, sir, you've got a van. Sir, you have a van. I don't know if you know what you're driving, but it's called a van. I have I'm small. I don't need a lot of room. So already these uh these people with her were like yeah maybe you shouldn't go with him. And she was like, Yo, I gotta get to my grandfather's. She was tired. She'd been like, you know She'd been hit. Yeah, and she he she was just like, I'm over this. I just want to get to my grandfather's house. So Larry was a fifty one year old former merchant marine at the time. He had just been divorced from his second wife and had a teenage daughter that was also fifteen at the time. He told Mary this immediately. He was like, I have a daughter your age who reminds me of you. Okay. Chill. And this further cemented his like nice old, you know, older man. He's a father, like he has a kid my age. And that's exactly what he wanted. Um, so he told her he wasn't going to Los Angeles, but would happily take a detour to bring her there. He offered to drive her to Interstate Five, which is the fastest route south, and she was so desperate that she was like, Yep, I'll just get in, we'll do this. So she got in the car. Now, she said it was pretty uneventful for the most part in the car, until obviously a big event happened. But at one point, she lit a cigarette and she sneezed, and he immediately reached out to feel her neck and asked if she was sick. Like he felt her like gland. And she was like and that fucked her. She was like, nope, don't touch me. Like that's weird that you just felt like you could touch my neck. And she said it made her comforta like uncomfortable like that weirded me out but she ended nothing else really happened after that right away. So she ended up nodding off and falling asleep. Don't fall asleep if you're hitchhiking. In the 70s this was totally acceptable. Everyone was hitchhik ing, which I think we learned now that that was a bad idea because a lot of these people ended up dead. But now definitely don't hitchhiker. Here are the rules of hitchhiking. One, don't. Two, don't fall asleep. Yeah. I'm sure we'll come up with more. Exact ly . Uh so she ended up falling asleep. When she woke up, she noticed that they were not going to LA as promised, but instead were going east toward Modesto. So immediately she started to panic. She saw that there was a stick or like a like a little yardstick or a surveyor stick on the floor of the van. So she grabbed it, held it out, and demanded, she was like, Where the what the fuck? You're supposed to be taking me to Los Angeles. This makes my stomach hurt. So he was like, Oh my god, I'm so sorry. And he said, He said, I am an honest man, and it was an honest mistake. I'm so sorry. Yeah, right. So he was like, You know what? I'm gonna take you there. I'm really sorry. I just wasn't paying attention and she was like, Okay, well fucking take me there. So he was like, All right, let's pull over quickly so I can relieve myself and then we'll be on our way. So they pulled over. He gets out of the car and he goes somewhere to piss . She gets out of the car to stretch her legs and she said she reached down to tie her shoes and that's when Larry snuck up behind her and hit her in the head with a hammer. Dear God. First of all, how did she even survive that? Ex actly. And she immediately went out like unconscious. When she woke up, she was completely naked and tied up. Oh my god, I hate this. Right away after waking up, he forced her to perform sexual acts on him. He also said something really disgusting as he was doing this that I'm not going to repeat because it stresses me out too much. But he was gross. He was a pig. He like shoved himself in her mouth, basically. He then raped her and sodomized her. He then threw her in the back of the van, drove to another secluded area, and repeatedly raped her again. She recalls at least six to eight times that he raped her and she said it hurt a lot the entire time. During this he also made her drink some weird unknown substance from a plastic jug that she assumes is alcohol, but she said it made her pass She passed out several times. And when she woke up at one point, he had thrown her onto the ground on the side of the road and forced her to lay down. Now she's naked, completely naked and tied up. She started begging him to set her free because she was like, What's gonna happen next? He said, quote, You wanna be set free, I'll set you free. Then he went to the van, grabbed a hatchet, and returned back to her. He then held her down as she fucking fought and scream and chopped her right arm off. He then hacked at her left arm until it was severed just below the elbow. Oh my god. It took three st rokes of the hatchet to sever that arm off. Oh my god. He cut both her fucking arms off while she was conscious with it the whole thing, fighting the whole time. Fucking hacked her arms off of her body. Like, what a sick fuck. That is some shit. And like, what does that mean? Like, oh, I'll set you free by chopping your arms off. Yeah, he's literally, cause and you'll hear, he says it again. So he like And he's hacking her arms. Like that is b that's beyond my comprehension. Like who does that? Yeah. So she fell on her onto her back after this, obviously, because he was like holding her up, hacking at her arms. And she said she's caught a glimpse of him like twisting and shaking his arm. And what was happening was her arm was still attached to his arm and he was trying to fling it off. Yeah. He then rolled her down a 30-foot embankment and stuffed her into a cement drainage pipe. When he left, he said, Okay, now you're free and this place turned out to be Del Puerto Canyon, which I'm not familiar with, but I'm sure Californians will know. Um so yeah, he leaves and says, Okay, now you're free. I'd be like, um, so I think to him he was like, Oh, you want to be free? I'll untie you and I'll leave you here and you can get out if you want. Like I think to him he was like, You're gonna die, but like you're free. Like good luck. What is say like what the fuck is wrong with you, dude? Blew my mind . Allergy season? Ugh, let's not do that this year. Cancel allergy season. Get rid of her entirely with big savings from good RX. Seasonal allergy medication starts at just $10. So the whole family can avoid those itchy, yucky eyes, stuffy noses, scratchy throats, throw it all away. Check the Gitter x app before going to the pharmacy and save up to 80% on brand and generic medications. Gutterx is free and it's easy to use. Just search for your prescription on the website or the app, compare prices, and get a free coupon to show your pharmacist. Use gutterx to save at over 70,000 pharmacies nationwide, including Walmart, Walgreens, CBS, Publix, Kroger, and so many more. Gutterx is not insurance, but it could be your insurance copay price. 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And in her mind, she said, I can stop him from doing this to someone else. Good for her. That was her thought process was I can't let him do this to someone else. How do you have that coherent thought process when somebody just shops your fucking arms off? And it's like fight or f light. And she chose fucking fight. So at this moment she was like, I need to for I need to stay awake. So she forced herself to stay awake because if she allowed herself to pass out, she would just bleed it up. She would just fall asle ep and never wake up. Now think of all those times you've just been sitting on the couch and you hit that wall of exhaustion all of a sudden and you can barely keep your eyes open. Now think of that, but your arms have been chopped off. You've been force fed some kind of weird alcoholic substance and you've been hit in the head with a hammer and raped repeatedly. How I don't even know. Like I never want to say I'm tired. Mary's like, fuck you. Yeah.. Literally So she forced herself to stay awake. And she said, quote, He threw me off a cliff. I should have broken bones. I should have bled to death. I didn't. And I never passed out. I remember everything. I wanted to give up and go to sleep, but I felt someone there with me, a presence who wanted me to survive. A voice told me to get up and get help or someone else would die. Wow. Girl. I got chills. I can't she's oh Mary Mary like I just can't even Mary Mary quite contrario oh you are just I don't know how you did this man so she she ended up losing fifty percent of her body's blood supply. How did she how did she not pass the fuck out? Because she's a fucking warrior. Um to stop it from getting worse, she packed her arms with mud to cut off the flow of blood. First of all, I w I am 33 years old almost and I work in the medical field and I don't think that would immediately be my like I need to pack these severed arms with blood. She was 15 years old. And how did you do that with both of your artists cut off? Like you didn't even have a room to pack with. I it there's just so much about this that I'm like, who are you? What are you? What kind like we don't deserve you, Mary? No. So she walked herself up the 30-foot cliff she had been rolled down without arms. Like, think about that for a second. How hard that would be to do with arms walking up a 30-foot cliff. It took her hours ho andurs hours and of fighting up this hill with only 50% of her body's blood and a head wound. Jesus Christ. And she said it took all day like a full day to get up that 35. I believe it. So she finally reached the because she said she could hear the freeway above. She just wanted to get there. She's like, I just gotta get there. So she finally reaches the freeway and ended up walking for three more miles before seeing a car finally. It was a convertible with two men in it. They pulled over like a little bit, but once they saw her, they sped off. And I mean, she was nude, she was completely battered, she had no fucking arms. They probably didn't think it was real. And was bleeding profusely. That's hor ror movie shit. Like that and she says to this day, she said she can totally understand why they were terrified and sped off. Like she was like, I do not hold that against like so she said at the time she was holding up what was left of her arms in the air so quote the muscles and blood wouldn't fall out. Wow. So she was holding her fucking like what's left of her arms up in the air. Now luckily, a couple who were tourists and had like taken a wrong turn, like what a wrong turn. Weren't they on their honeymoon or something? I think they were. I think they were. I've read that a couple of times. Yeah, so they might have been on their honeymoon, I think. They picked her up and they immediately wrapped her in linens from their car before driving her to a nearby airport and calling 911. Now bec I mean because it was the 70s, they didn't have so they had to drive to a phone. Uh all she could say was quote, he raped me over and over again. Oh my god. She went by helicopter to the hospital, and at the hospital, like she just continues to be like a fucking warrior. She gets to the hospital and she doesn't sit there and be like, al, nowrig Iht'm gonna take a break and like rest my my weary soul right now. She was like, Nope, I can describe this motherfucker to an absolute fucking T. Let me give you it. Wow. So she can described him so perfectly that the composite sketch of him was like a photo, they said. We'll post it. Yeah, it was immediately released to the media, and Larry's own neighbor, who was his friend, like was a friend of his, saw it and was like, whoa that Larry. And they called and told the police, I know who that is. And it was their friend. That's how c clear it was, though they were like, that's fucking Larry. That's insane. Mary also picked his picture out of six others before the grand jury at one point. Wow. So uh in nineteen seventy nine he went so they picked him up. There's not a lot of like w how they found him or you know like she she knew who he was, she picked him. Look at this motherfucker. That's that's a dude. Oh. He dead now. His nose looks like a penis. Yeah, his nose is a lot. So in nineteen seventy-nine he went to court and Mary testified against him after all she went to at 15 years old. That is insane. Badass. Uh Mary stood up in front of the court, pointed one of her hooked prosthetic arms at him, and she was like, that's fucking him. And she will to this day she will only refer to him as quote my attacker. She won't refer to him as an attacker. He doesn't fucking deserve it. No, he doesn't. So Larry said he was drunk that night and described Mary as quote a ten dollar whore. What the fuck? Yeah. He also claimed that the two other hitchhikers were in the van as well, including another Larry. So he said if anything happened to Mary in his van in the blood and other physical evidence presented at trial proved that it did, then he said the crimes must have been committed by quote the other Larry. So yeah. So he insisted on being framed. Later when he became a little more forthcoming , he mentioned that he had cut off her hands because he wanted to remove the ID. Yeah. Dental records are a thing, you fucking ten dollar dumbass. But uh after testifying, Mary quickly left the courtroom uh and she did this because Larry made a very quiet comment to her and she just rushed out of the courtroom. Later he admitted what he said to her. I remember he told her, quote, I'll finish this job if it takes me the rest of my life. Like oh fuck yourself. Like are you kidding like can you fucking imagine that? No. After all you've gone through, the stud's like, I'm gonna finish this. Like fuck. I'd be like, I'll finish you, sir. She was obviously fucking terrified. Um afterwards her parents came to get her, but in but she said they were kind of like they couldn't really help. Like they didn't have the relationship that needed that they needed to help her. Yeah. They said she said quote she ran away in the first place. Yeah. And she said, quote, they couldn't handle it. They took it harder than me. I'm telling them I need you, but they couldn't do it. They were more interested in what they felt about what happened to me than what I felt. So Larry ended up being convicted of a whopping number of charges. Attempted murder, kidnapping, rape, sodomy, oral copulation, aggravated mayhem, and the use of an axe to cause great bodily harm. Now at the time he got the max sentence for this, which was only fourteen years in prison. I'll leave. Like are you kidding me right now? Well it gets worse. All those charges and you get 14 years. Like what the fuck? All those like terrifying charges. You chopped somebody's arms off. Fucking attempted murder. Like it's insane. He thought she was dead. He left there thinking she was dead. She was going to die. Well, it gets worse. He only served eight years out of that because he got off on good behavior. Okay, good behavior. You fucking chopped somebody's arms off. Exactly. It's like I don't give a shit. If you always you, know , keep your cell clean and always say please and thank you to the prison guards, I don't give a shit. You tried to literally raped somebody repeatedly and tried to chop their arms and try and chop their arms up. And then said it was the other Lawrence. Yeah, frickin' poor other Larry, that probably doesn't exist. Um well it gets even worse. When he got out, he immediately tried to sue Mary. For what ? So while in jail, he said, and this is the way it gets funny, he said he considered the alleged events, and he was like, Nope, I didn't do that. Oh my god. He said he remembers Mary threatening to accuse him of rape and that she had brandished a stick at him. He said that's why he became violent. So he filed a complaint suing Mary for quote forcible kidnap for the purposes of robbery. Are you kidding me? Luckily the courts dismissed it. They were like, yeah. They were like You're a fucking asshole. So after he got out of jail, after f eight years. Eight years later. Like goodbye. Like she's barely even beginning to cope with this at this point. So well, she said she was afraid to stay in one place for too long. She went through a series of bodyguards and she ended up living in a deserted gas station at one point. Holy shit. Yeah, like she really like went down a bad path. She said she was depressed. She had crazy anxiety. Of course she did. Her relationship suffered. I mean, with family, friends, like romantic relationships, like it was a really dark time. She eventually had two sons of her own, and in her words, quote, when I became a mother, I really had something big to live for. And she says there, like what got her. That's no one. I love it. I mean his release was controversial, obviously, to Mary, but it was con controversial to everyone because it was like any nobody wanted him to live anywhere. Yeah. Well it was bonkers because I mean that's eight years. Every and his own daughter didn't want him loose. Wow. So his own daughter said that he had attacked and abused her and her mother. And in fact, her mother once told her that she was surprised that she had been born without complications because Larry had beat her mother while she was pregnant with her. Oh my god. Yeah. So when when sh uh she found out that he was getting out of jail, she also fled and hid like That's what I would do. Mary did. She asked law enforcement if there was any way they could keep him behind bars. Like what the fuck, Florida? Yeah. And she recently well this wasn't this wasn't Florida. Oh I thought it was. No, this is in California. Oh. But um didn't he? I think he ended up. He goes to Florida. Yeah, we're gonna get to that. Well the fucking California? So his daughter, who I won't name, 'cause I don't know if she wants her name out there, she recently spoke to a woman who runs the site familyarrested.com dot com, which helps family members of like shitty people who have done awful things cope with their own like victimhood. Yeah, I'm sure you 're such a it's such a unique experience to be like the daughter of a fucking monster or the sister of the spouse or the mother, you know. Um so she had this to say to this woman about her father. It's a big long quote. Six years into my father's sentence, I knew he was getting out early as an quote ideal in mate inmate. So in eight nineteen eighty four, when I was twenty one, three years prior to his proposed parole, I called the California prison where he was staying, Saints and it was Saint Louis Obiscopo's California colony for men. I told whoever I talked to, I wasn't sophisticated enough then to take names or notes, that I was afraid my father remained a threat to my safety and was in general still dangerous. When I was twenty one, I quickly made several changes to my life. I graduated from college with my first degree. I changed my last name legally. I moved from Nevada to California, then moved back to Nevada to marry my college boyfriend. When I left Reno, I told an anyone who my father might possibly I realize how naive this sounds today as I write this, but I was concerned he might hurt or harass them. When I was about 20 years old with the assistance of a Ph D psychology intern, I had written a letter to my father telling him I was terminating our relationship. I asked California prison personnel what could be done to keep him in longer, and I was told there was nothing. They suggested I retained obtain a restraining order at the time of his release. Sorry, but I mean this quite sarcastically. I tell you he is a danger . I said that before the first crime. I've changed my name multiple times and am moving across state lines, and you all suggest a piece of paper that will tell him exactly where I am, what my name is and not and not to come within say three hundred feet The neighbor woman who I had moved in with and lived with from about age fifteen and a half until I was eighteen had discouraged me both from terminating the relationship and from considering changing my name. She told me it was my quote responsibility to, I don't know, not hide. I then and now wonder if she was not motivated by fear of my father. That's insane. That's his own daughter. I've said that so many times, but like this is is so insane. And that's it's like that's his fucking daughter. She was always like so afraid of I mean she obviously was so afraid of him, like oh yeah. And to hear that he not only abused her but abused her mother while before she was born and while she was jest dating. Like that's insane. Like I would say that it takes like a like super fucked up person to like hurt a pregnant person, but this guy literally chopped somebody's arms off. Yeah. So it's like he's he has no low. He doesn't. I don't know where he would have. It's it's sh shocking that he didn't start earlier and didn't rack up a higher. I sincerely hope that like there is a hell just for people like this. Ye Yeah, just something. Something like that. You guys, your girl has been traveling a lot lately. I actually feel like I'm like a part-time New Yorker at this point. If you're traveling, make sure that your house is protected while you're gone. 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Shop online or visit your neighborhood Sherwin Williams store. Retail sales only. Some exclusions apply. See store for details. Delivery available on qualifying orders . Well obviously his his daughter was very right to be concerned because um when he got out, when he was paroled, California was like, nope, we don't want him. So uh they pros they protested to not allow him to move into their communities. Literally , one California community after another told parole officials that they could not relocate him there. Good. Um he was finally forced to live in a mobile home on the grounds of San Quentin Prison until the end of his parole in 1988. So wherever he was going next, he had to register, which he went to Florida. So he had to register with the state of Florida as a convicted felon. Uh his move to Florida, where he was originally from was uh not smooth . Um he was one of eight kids in his family originally and that's where he was from, like I said. So he had a lot of siblings living in California or Florida still. And at first he moved into his brother's home, which soon became a target for people who were like, this is a fucking crazy person. Why is he coming into our community? They had a firebomb tossed into their front yard. Oh my god . Um, protesters showed up at court hearings where he appeared um because he ended up having some, I think it was like shoplifting charges in Florida because he just kept being a fuckhead. Of course. So whenever he would go to court hearings for that, protesters would show up. Sh 'cause I think between nineteen ninety and nineteen ninety one he was arrested three times shoplifting. At one hearing for these, he described himself as quote, a confused, muddle headed muddle-headed old man. Yeah, you're not. Like I love how he's just like, I'm just confused. I'm just an old man. You don't seem confused. You just seem like a giant fucktard. So after living with his brother. H bisrother was like, Yo, you gotta get out of here because this firebomb's being tossed in my yard. Uh so he moved into another home that was owned by his family in Orient Park in Tampa. His new neighbors thought he was a fucking great guy. Oh god. Yeah. Um, his next door neighbor at the time, Tom Bennett, said, quote, We were scared of him at first, but every day he'd talk to you, he'd cook steaks and bring them to you. Don't eat those. He fixed up his property really good. He was the neighbor you dream of. I started to believe him. Maybe he was framed. No, he wasn't. Nah. Well, they find out that he wasn't. Uh so he I mean he lived alone, he spent most of his time just remodeling his house and landscaping his property. Several of his brothers and their wives visited often. He had a dog named Kala, who was a Rottweiler that he apparently loved. They said he was also solicitous, offering to repair a neighbor's broken mailbox one day. He would go to see his neighbors like bands play at bar. Like he was very much in the neighborhood. Like a part he he was like one of those neighbors that's like in with everybody. He was a towny. Yeah, exactly, which is crazy. So some of the neighbors knew his the can the whole Mary Vincent thing, but some didn't. The ones who did were just like forgiving eventually, which is crazy to me. I would insane. I just wouldn't be. If you chop off somebody's arms, you're just not good in my book. No. It's like I just can't for I can't be like, well maybe he was frank. Like, no, that's too much. No. So one of his other neighbors said, quote, We didn't like the idea that something had happened. Like what? But you can't make a big thing about it if you want to give people a chance. Yeah, I don't wanna give that many people a chance. I love that they're just like we don't like that something happened. Oh something happened. He fucking blunt force trauma 's brutally raped, chopped arms off and threw a woman off a cliff. Something happened. That's that's not really like just casual behavior. It's just like, you know what, we don't love that about him, but we're gonna give him a chance. I'd be like, yeah, we're not gonna do it. I don't know. I feel like it's like when somebody's like, yeah, I've been arrested for shoplifting quite a bit. You're like, ah right, I don't like that that happens. Don't come to my house, please. Yeah, like don't come around my valuables, but like I don't like it, but we'll give you a chance. Yeah. This not so much. So this is interesting. Three weeks before he ended up being arrested in Florida for something we will talk about in a moment. Uh, neighbors had to save him from his van because he attempted suicide in his driveway. His neighbors said he was found breathing the van 's exhaust through a dryer hose that he had attached to the tailpipe. After this he spent about a week in a psychiatric ward before returning back to his home. Uh Tom Bennett, his neighbor, that said before, like we were scared but, he was good and he cooked steaks. He was great. He said, quote, he told me he was feeling sorry for himself, but he didn't give any more explanation. Why the fuck are you feeling sorry for yourself? Why don't you feel sorry for the girl whose arms you cut off? Exactly. Well, about six PM on a Wednesday night in February nineteen ninety seven, Hillsborough County Sheriff's Officials said a man who had done some renovation work for Larry dropped by his house and heard uh what you might say is a commotion inside. Uh oh. So he was like, what the fuck's going on? So he peered in through a window and he saw Larry buttass naked in the living room, choking and punching a woman and stabbing her repeatedly. The woman was nude and on the couch and was screaming for help. Jesus Christ. And he was they said he was like maniacally just stabbing at her and like fl and punching her and believable. Yeah. A deputy who responded to the nine one one call says Larry answered the door completely covered in blood. And he was just like, hey, what's up? Yeah. He was just like, oh hey. And the woman was dead. The victim was identified as Roxanne Hayes. She was a 31-year-old sex worker and a Tampa resident and mother of three. Oh my God. That's aw ful. Nobody knows exactly, you know, what the whole scenario was, if she was there for some other reason or if she was uh like there on business purposes. Either way, it's fucking awful. So the state of Florida flew Mary down for this trial. Hell yeah. Because she didn't have to testify, but she was like, oh I'm Oh, I'ma testify. Which is like, oh my god. Oh by the way, Lawrence, I'ma finish this. Yeah, like don't worry. She's like, you thought you were about to finish something. Crazy. So she didn't flinch when they asked to identify him. And she said she didn't dare take a deep look either. She was like, I don't she Which is like, oh, it's like just so blah blah blah. So fucked up. Now this time he was convicted of murder and sentenced two deaths. Good. Dye bitch. Unfortunately he died in two thousand and one on death row of cancer at age seventy four. Which is a bummer. Yeah, I wish that he actually got to be in I hope he suffered. Yeah. Do you know what kind of cancer he had? No, I don't. I tried to look it up but I couldn't find it. I hope it was the worst one. I hope it was penis cancer. You know penis cancer. I don't know. That particular one. I hope he had it. Uh you get for raping people. Yeah, I hope he just had all the cancers. Yeah. So the prosecutor Donald N. Stahl, who uh is now retired, but he said quote, I'm not going to say he's Hannibal Lecter, but once a guy like that has a certain bend, he follows it for the rest of his life . This guy has a personality that's bent in the direction of going after women. Um, so this case actually helped Donald Stahl, the prosecutor, get legisl legislation in front of the people it needs to get in front of that would make mandatory terms for most violent crimes. And as a result, they can now say that at this time the shit that he did to Mary Vincent would result in a life sentence. Like that would not happen again the way it happened. Because they're like they're like, look, we gave him fourteen fucking years, which is nothing. And then he got out in eight and he immediately killed someone else. Right. Like if you this is ridiculous. This is a fucked up thing. Yeah. So one of his neighbors said quote, when I found out about what he had done, the first thing I thought was, should I have left that man in that van that day? If I had known, I probably would have at least given it a second thought. Yeah, you should have to be able because that's the other thing. It's like now all these neighbors who like rushed to help this guy were like, shit. We saved his life and and he went on killed someone. Exactly. I I don't blame them for being like, should I have fucking left him in his killed somebody else and that's why he was kill himself to get away with it? I mean we don't know. DNA is in the seventies, it's so hard to pin shit on the I'm sure this guy killed other people. He could have done stuff before Mary. He could have some done stuff, you know, in between it's just crazy. So as for Mary, who is the real star of this whole thing. She says that she still has a lot of nightmares. Um, she's still afraid to go to sleep and can't sleep for very long when she when she actually does. She says, quote, I've broken bones thanks to my nightmares. I've jumped up and dislocated my shoulder just trying to get out of bed. I've cracked ribs and smashed my nose. Every day I pray to God to make a space I can breathe in, and every day God gives it to me. And she's now an artist. She doesn't have arms. And she's a fucking artist. Oh my god. And this is a skill that she said she just happened after this whole thing. She said she couldn't draw a straight line before this. That's a miracle . Which is insane. So she does she draw with like prosthetics? Yeah, like she uses her prosthetic hooks, and that's the other thing. She's like a tinkerer, so she makes her own prosthetics to like work with what she wants to do. Wow. Yeah. She said, and this I love this. She says she has entered the third phase of this whole ordeal now. She says first she was a victim, then a survivor, and now she's an artist. That's it. Which I love. I love that. Um, and as an artist, she focuses on, she says she focuses on powerfully upbeat women. She uses chalk past