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So yesterday we recorded an over two and a half hour episode. Almost three hours. We spent almost three hours recording. I went to export the file, and something happened where it was just a not even a silent. You can hear me release the record button so it like goes doot and then the rest is just complete sil ence . We tried four hours last night to get this thing back. We got a micro SD card reader to plug into the computer because we were trying to recover lost files off of it. Randomly Drew had a micro S and reader . I called him a little computer had like a space and he's like, Oh, I have one, I'm on my way. I was like, Thank goodness. What? But then that didn't work. It was hours last night. After three hours of recording, we had we had like hours of trying to do this because we were just this is a I'm I'm still so stressed about this because I'm like, this episode is fucking brutal. It's a brutal episode. This is an awful case. In the first one, I cried four times during the recording in the first one. That's how brutal this episode is. So be I don't go into graphic detail about anything. It's just the it's the whole overarching thing of this. 'Cause we're obviously gonna get into what happened, how this ended, his complete nonchalant demeanor about the whole thing. Yep. And so it was like energy-wise, it was very taxing mentally to go through it because like I realized like you know life could be worse. Life could be much worse. Just listen to the episode. But it's so shitty when you do something like that for three hours, which I know other people understand, and then to have it just gone. And we're just gone. Like we installed several different programs on the computer last night. Today because yesterday I said I after we went through the whole thing, I was like, We gotta walk away. We gotta walk away because one, I can't do this episode again right now. I don't have it in me. No. Like I can't just sit here and go through the motions in this episode. It's too important and it's too heavy. And so we were like, okay, we'll do it tomorrow. Let's just come back tomorrow. So today we come back . And then I was like, let's just try one more thing. Just one more thing. Cause I'm just not willing to say it was gone. And we we ended up coding. We learned to code. Coding. We coded in terminal. We don't even computer. Fuck that. I didn't know terminal was part of a computer. She was like type backslash backslash F F M F E P E G. I'm gonna wake up in the middle of the night. F F M B. And we're putting all these commands in and then, finally at the end of everything, we get this recovery file on the desktop. All of a sudden it populates. It says recovered.wave. And we hold hands. We don't even like we don't hug. We're not the only time we ever give each other a hug is if one of us is getting on a plane. For some reason or like is upset. We're not really upset. I literally go, Hold my hand. And we just held hands and we opened it and up popped a flat line again. And I fell to the floor. She did. I can I can confirm she fell to the floor. Because we just tried so it's one of those things where you're just like every time you try something, you're like, this is it. This is we are now recording on several different devices. I am currently monitoring the waveforms as this is going. Because also this also happened when it was just us recording with no producer or anybody in the room. So that th there's that. Yup. So now we're staring at that wave file ourselves across the room. We have the monitor to literally it's Mother's Day weekend. And Alina's like, well just do it on Monday. I'm like, but I don't want you to have to worry all day Sunday. Because that after that last recording, I said, I am so glad to have Chris Watts out of my psyche. Like, I need to walk away from this. I need to get this out of my it's gonna take me a minute to get away from this. Like when I tell you I cried four times during the recording, I literally cried four times during the had to stop and like just because it's all so heavy, it's too much. And so I was like, I can't wait to just put this out, put the good the information we need to put out, and then just clear it out of my brain because it's really bothering me. I am setting a timer right now for an hour and we're gonna pause an hour into this and just make sure everything sounds good. It's looking good, but I just want to make sure. So we're starting timer right now. Yeah. So there's there's that. So that's that's where we are. All right. So you haven't heard part two yet, listener. No, you haven't. And just know that it's really fucking heavy. And this guy . I said I said so many things yesterday that maybe there's a reason why we weren't supposed to . Maybe we went too hard at him. I don't think we can go too hard at him. I don't think you can. Um, but maybe I don't know. Maybe we said something that the universe was like, I don't know. You don't want that out there. Like maybe you just don't want that kind of vibe out there. I don't know. I I I mean I things happen for a reason. I maintain that he's a useless bag of shit. But I do too. I'll probably say all the same things I probably was gonna say, I'm probably gonna say the same thing. Uh I think maybe I was you know trust me we're gonna get into it, don't worry. I'm just of um stressed. Uh maybe it was just like yesterday I was a little like nudgy. I felt a little nudgy. Okay , sometimes you just feel a little nudgy. There's been a lot happening. And maybe that's what it was. It was I was too nudgy. So maybe I was getting a little too wasn't the right energy. Yeah. Maybe that's what it I'm gonna go with it. Today we had a nice little morning together. Yeah. We had we had dance class in the morning. Not us . Alina's kids dance class. But yeah. So we tried new drinks this morning. Yeah. Oh, a blue Jay just flew by. Oh, that's a sign. I love blue jay. That's a sign. And that correlates to my fun fact later that I've already found. Oh shit, because I already used it. Oh, that's a beautiful one. Yeah. Oh we also had a crow fly by. And that's good luck. So there's those are like our sign. So there's that. And before I begin this whole thing, I I went back and I watched like a lot of the body cam footage from different angles, different officers. There's a lot out there. So I think like honestly, one of the reasons like the obviously the subject matter of this case will just shred you into pieces. Yeah. But I think also what really made this like so heavy for me is like the subject matter and also the fact that we can see so much of the timeline and real time through body cam and all that and not only so much of the timeline, but so much of the nonchalance. That's what it is. It's like what he was doing while this was going on, what he was acting like while this was happening. Yep. Being able to watch a family annihilator p well before he gets caught like in the aftermath. Yeah. Is something that I I I mean, I don't know if we have ever been able to see before. This is the first one that I know of. I think it's one of very few. Or the one that has the most that we can see. Footage. Yeah. Because again, those discovery documents are just rife and horrifying. They really I'd like to say right now, I think I said in the last one, like they're out there, you can see them, and they are, but I'd love to caution you. Yeah. That they do include a lot of detail. There's autopsy reports. It's a lot and it'll like really weigh heavily on you. So like I care about you guys and I don't want everybody spiraling into like a a crisis here because like looking at those will fuck you up. They just will. Um so just do that at your own risk. I think you're honestly since I've heard this. I think you told us everything that that people really need to know. Yeah, I think I'm giving you the the facts, but there's more detail in there that I just don't think needs to be gone over because it's not, it's too much. It really is. Um, but also when I was watching body cam footage, because again, all the different officers have them, so you get the different angles, you get to see the other officers re'actions to his answers, or him just talking, talking, talking, and how he's acting. And it's you can see how they're all looking at each other like they knew they knew this guy was nefarious from the get-go, which obviously they're trained to do, but he didn't himself no favors. Well, I was saying it too when we were talking about it, just like amongst ourselves. These officers probably have partners of their own, kids of their own, and they're looking at this guy and they're like, you're not acting right. Like that's they know how they would react in a situation like that. At least they can kind of guess, you know. What's funny that you say that is there's actually an instance where uh where an officer, officer Perez, I believe it is, tries to empathize with him because he connects it to himself in some situation. And what he gets out of it shows him everything he needs to know. Yeah. Um so while I was looking at the body cam footage of you know them going in the house right after she was reported missing, uh I ran across this account and um I don't know if they still do videos like this anymore. They did they have uploaded a couple of about this case actually recently at Felt Kismet. And so I don't know if they're still doing it like full time or whatever, but I wanted to shout them out because their commentary, they go through the body cam footage likes frame by frame and just kind of give their thoughts on it. They point out things. And I thought they were really insightful. I thought their what they were saying, like their feelings about it matched mine so well that you feel very validated while watching it because you're like, yeah, fuck this guy. And they have they have such a good like banter together. Yeah, I think they're like best friends. Their names are Denty and Shaz, so it's D-E-N-T-Y and S-H-A-Z . Uh again, I don't know if they're doing this full time anymore, so I don't know like what, but I recommend you go like take a peek at what they have to say because I think they were just like really great to listen to about this. Oh yeah. And they have great accents. I love that. And they just seem like people you want to hang around with and like talk through these theories and things with. Yeah. So like shout out to Dentee and Chaz. Shout out. For being a good channel. And I think they're on like Instagram and YouTube and other places. Um so let's begin that uh one thing I found when I went back because I went back into the discovery documents and like you know I think I went through 1500 of the 1900 documents. It's insanity. And the only ones that I didn't go through were like a giant list of like there were things like, you know, evidence lists and stuff that I just like I had already seen certain pieces of. Well the when there's so many pages like that, some of it is just like Yeah, there's a lot of handwritten notes that you can't really decipher a lot . I did see one handwritten thing that I thought was very interesting. Uh and I looked around. I saw n this person has never come forward with what who they are, uh, which was kinda like a good thing, I think at the time. I was like impressed by it. Um this psychic medium from Massachusetts from our town wrote called the police while they were missing. They had not even been like none of this had come out. They didn't know what happened to them, nothing, and told the police the most detailed version of events that they believed happened, and it matches up almost exactly. Really. Like she they say that like, you know, they're gonna be found I think they said like underwater or in liquid. Which is like how what did you didn't Causes of death, they knew the time period. They I mean they just went they really like it was really shocking how accurate it was. And it's in the doc in the discovery documents. It's like a yellow piece of paper. It's the only one of the only pieces of paper that is handwritten that is legible to read in the documents. Whoever transcribed that note. Yeah, it definitely was legible. And it's but it's a psychic medium from Massachusetts who wanted to remain anonymous. Interesting. Which I thought was interesting. Because usually That's not always the case. To me, if they're bullshit, then they want to slap their name on it. But if they're not, then they're just like, I want to give you this information because this is what I got. Do with it what you will. Because they're not getting anything out of that. They're just trying it along. I had like I had a notion. I was like, I wonder if it's this person, but I won't say who it is because obviously they wanted to read on it. I but there's only like, you know, it's Massachusetts, so I have my own notion too. But that was interesting. And then another thing I saw which was um horrifying, because uh kid, you know, things are gonna get really horrifying from here on out. Um, while Shannon was in North Carolina on that five-week vacation, she ended up getting very ill, like very ill, vomiting, like really sick. And it was when Chris had come to visit, so Chris after the five weeks, or like during the five weeks at some point, at the end, had come to stay with them for a few days. Okay. Then come home. It was when he got there that she got very ill. So that's suspect. And remember, he had flipped a switch. He had flipped a switch. Everyone had said that they were all over each other before he left and that it was those five weeks alone without his wife and children that he suddenly decided that that was the life he wanted. And he flipped, he took the mask off. It didn't slip, it didn't fall down. He took it off and he launched it into the ocean. It was gone. Yeah. Because he was a totally different human. Right. Totally different man. Everyone around him, everyone around Shenan said they had no idea what happened. That has to be like just such a scary thing to experience that in and of itself before you even get to the horrific rest of this case, the end of it. That imagine your like that is your friend, and all of a sudden, this man that you've known her husband for years and years and years, you know him as one thing, and now he's the complete opposite. That's while she's newly pregnant, yeah, and has two young kids, like I would be terrified. Yeah. And I think they were. And then all of a sudden, so fast. Well, and then all of a sudden now she's showed up. Well, or not even, I'm saying like while she's in North Carolina, he showed up and she's violently ill. suddenly Yeah. And when she's been fine. Everyone thought it was strange. And one of the things that is in there that her family said, like witnesses said she said was that while she was sick, usually, because everybody did describe him as this, usually he was pretty doting and pretty like he he was caring. Yeah. His mom said, like, yeah. That kind of bothered her. Oh yeah, his mom. It pissed her off. Because he was so doting. Um, but even like her mother was like, Yeah, he was normally like very attentive and like took care of like a husband like you know like that's how he's always been and like that's how our friends saw him too like and that's how she saw him and suddenly she's 15 weeks pregnant and violently ill and he's and she wrote in a text message that he just existed while she was like that. He he didn't seem to care. And for someone to be because John, like just using this as a personal example, like John is a very attentive husband. Like I can tell you he is if I'm sick, he's going to take care of me. It's not going to be just go upstairs and go lay down. He's going to take care of me. Yeah, he's going to order all the eating lights. He's going to make sure you're taking the big me the toast. He's gonna like do all the things. Like he's a great. He's gonna take the girls out of the house so you can get some quiet. He's gonna come back with like something for you to eat. Exactly. Like he's that kind of husband. Right. If I got sick one day and he suddenly just didn't give a sh existed, that would throw me for such a fucking loop. And it's actually if pregnant, when you're not. Like that's when your husband or your partner is a million times more attentive. Exactly. Like that they wouldn't just stop all of a sudden. Like if I had gotten violently ill while pregnant, which like I was very lucky that I didn't have like any morning sickness while pregnant. I was not violently ill all the time. Hopefully that runs in our family. I feel very lucky that way. Because I I'm sure people listening are like, bitch. Like I know, trust me. Especially with twins , I should have probably gotten very sick, but I luckily didn't. But if I did, and he just didn't care , I would feel so and this is what bothers me, like I would feel so alone. Well, we were saying that yesterday. Like the thing that uh so much of this case breaks my heart, but one of the biggest things that's that breaks my heart is like one, they were arguing at the end of of their li of of Shannon and the kids' lives. So she's suspecting that he was cheating. She's suspecting that he's cheating. So that's a nightmare. They're fighting all the time. And it's not only a nightmare for her, it's a nightmare for the kids because they're hearing their parents fight all the time when it doesn't really seem like they did f ight all that often beforehand. So it's sudden. So it's like this weird change up that everybody's in this like turmoil intention. At the end of their life. Like that's because I was saying this earlier, when we talked about this yesterday, that I was thinking about it earlier yesterday, and I was like, you know, we as humans at the end of someone's life, if we're lucky enough to know that someone's at the end of their life, are across the board. We try to make that person comfortable and peaceful and happy. And we try to make those last moments the most peaceful, lovely special, like just special moments ever. Like you we even do that for dogs. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like if we know that this is it, we try to give them a the a last like great memory. We just do that. Yep. And these people and every victim of a violent crime. And I I think it just never hit me in the on this angle and to this degree shannon and bella and cel este what horror the end of their moments were and it's like that is like really churning my stomach. Like it's like killing me inside. Like to think about it. And it's always bothered me when we talk about, of course, you know, murder cases, obviously. Like that is not lost on me. Something about this one and seeing him and how he acted made it even more real and even more like hitting me in like this place I didn't know I existed. Well, and I don't think we've covered very many like family annihilator case like like um and not like this when you know and specifically like when the husband kills the entire family because in our minds like that's the person that protects the family so for that to just be flipped on its head the way that it is in this case and kicked around in the mud and You know, the other thing and we'll get to it towards the end, I think that's like really weighing on me with this one is he had forty-five minutes. Can I actually tell you something? That was actually just wild that you said that when you did. I looked down at my phone and we have 45 minutes left on the timer before I check the file. That was wild. That is very weird. That just like actually just gave me a chill. That's weird. Because he had forty five minutes in the car with Bella and Celeste live. To change his mind. While change driving them. And he even said that. He knew he had all that time and he said I I don't Did he say like what was going did the did he ever say what was going through his mind in those 45 minutes? No. Not that I read. I honestly don't want to read it too far. I just I'm like I how do you not change your mind? If you can sit in a car for 45 minutes with a three and a four-year-old's little baby that's yours and do what he did to them after 45 minutes. I think that's the part that's like, cause every murder is horrific. Every family annihilation is horrific. We've just never, I've never come across one where the person drill fored 45 minutes with their babies in the car alive and still decided to do it. No. I think that's the part that's like really getting me about this case is like I mean they fell asleep. Yeah. Like the nothing one thing the amount of pictures on my camera roll of my kids asleep that I take creepily because when I go in their room to check on them, they look peaceful the most angelic and sweet that they will ever look is when they're sleeping. Yeah. Like that just like will melt you if you are a human being. And he's not. No. He's a fucking concrete block of shit. Like he really is. He's nothing. He's nothing he has nothing I what did you say yesterday you said he's not even worth the molecules that build his body yeah he's not worth them no he is not worth the molecules that make him up. There he's just not, he's a waste of those. Allergy season? Never heard of her. Just kidding, I have, but I'm so over her. Cancel allergy season entirely with big savings from good RX. Seasonal allergy medication starts at just $10 so the whole family can avoid those itchy eyes, the worst, stuffy noses, scratchy throats. Get rid of all of that. 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With the State Farm Personal Price Plan, you have options and can personalize your plan to help create an affordable price so you can get back to cracking all of life's bigger cases. Talk to a state farm agent today to learn how you can choose to bundle and save with the personal price plan. Like a good neighbor, state farm is there. Prices are based on rating plans that vary by state. Coverage options are selected by the customer. Availability, amount of discounts and savings, and eligibility vary by state . So they thought that back to when he's visiting in he doesn't care. She's sick. He later admitted you were saying this is the horrifying thing. He later admitted that he was slipping shenanigos in her drinks and things and in her food to try to encourage a miscarri age . And she's over three months pregnant. Yeah. She was 15 weeks pregnant. He is trying to poison his pregnant wife without her knowledge to try to induce a miscarriage. Like what the fuck is wrong with that? Which also miscarriages are horrendous. Of course they are. And to try to induce that in your wife and that far along is something I cannot comprehend. I'm like, you that was the first step of evil. Well, that's I can't even comprehend. Miscarriage are not miscarriages are not only horrific, but incredibly dangerous. Like she could have died. Yeah. And he maybe that was the intention as well. But it's like I said this so many times yesterday when we were talking. I don't understand why he didn't just like and this would have been shitty too, but I don't understand why he just didn't get in his car and drive away and spend his fucking life with Nicole or whoever the fuck he wanted to just leave them. Obviously, that's gonna be tough for them, but they' s tools and they have a community that surrounds them that they'll be okay. That's the thing. Shenan and these girls had enough people around them that loved them deeply and had friends around them that loved them deeply that they would have had a padding. It would have been harder for it would have been hard. It would have been often the end of their fucking lives. They would have been better off for it. Yep. They would have been better off for not having this man in their life at all. And how do you not sit there? Like that's that's where it's like I don't and I we said this yesterday, like we hate to armchair diagnose, but he's a psychopath. I don't even think that's armchair diagnosing. I it's so it's sloppy for that like I don't understand He's a psychopath. Absolutely because I don't understand that not occurring to him. No. Why can't Why like abandoning your family is in your mind worse than murdering them? That's what I'm saying. Why didn't you just leave? Yeah. But you know why? Because he didn't want his life to be interrupted. He didn't want to have to go away. Be well, and also if he leaves he knows there's a possibility They'll track you down. They're gonna track you down. It's still there. But then you want to be wiped out. There's a million dads that don't pay child support. Well, and also how's that working out for you? Right. How's that working out for you in prison? How's that working out for you in prison where we now know that you are in fear of your life every minute of every day. Yeah. How's that working out? Yep. You fucking piece of shit. It's unreal. So yeah, so there's that horrible fact. But I have to go back to some of the body cam because in the interim I found more and it's just too insane not to talk about. He is diabolically stupid. Diabolically stupid. Yeah. Anybody who says this man was smart or this man because also I don't think he's autistic no a couple of people were trying to not everybody who hyperfixates on something and doesn't show a lot of emotion is autistic he's a psychopath yeah he's an evil psychopath and that, does not correlate to autism. No, maybe he is, maybe he isn't. Nowhere in anything I found said that he was, so we're not gonna just label him autistic. No. And I that was just something I saw that I was like, okay, we're not doing that. Yeah. You need a we'd need a lot more evidence of a lot more different things. And you know what? He's it's much easier to call him a psychopath because that is clear as day. Exactly. He is. Uh but he's stupid. If you blew in one of his ears and there was a candle at the other So the investigators have him call the bank and the credit card. Like this is right after they get to the house when they're in the house, when right now the girls Bella and Celeste and Shenan and unborn baby Nico are missing. That's so they say, hey, you should call the bank, you should call the credit cards, see if she's made any transactions, anything's come out of her ac count. And he says, so he does, and you can see the wheels turning in his head, like, do I answer this, you know, truthfully or not? And they're like, hey, like, did they say anything on the phone? And he says, the last one was on August 12th, then it was a taxi . Now it's pre it's right now when we're talking to him August thirteenth. They've been missing since that morning, August thirteenth when he saw August twelfth, the day prior , she was in Arizona and the girls were in bed. Yep. So that's not relevant. And and I'm not saying like he didn't he said it like that, but then the way he says it is he says it almost like, there it is. She got in a taxi, everybody. And it's like, do you not remember what day it is? Cause right. And I don't think he did. You saw her at 4 a.m. This morning. She got home at one forty eight AM on August thirteenth today. Right. And also like saw her this morning. Her suitcase is by the door. Her shoes are by the door. Like she's been maybe her car's in the fucking garage. Here's the thing. I think he forgot what day it was. 100%. I also think because he knew he was gonna do this kind of this shit. I don't know if he knew today was the day he was gonna actually I do think he thought that through. Because as we'll get there was something happening that day that I think he wanted to make sure it didn't go through quite yet. Oh . And you remember now sh I shocked you yesterday with so sad that we can't that I can't. There were so many shocking revelations yesterday, but I but now you know them. Yeah. Uh they'll still just be horrified. Yeah, I was gonna say but I do think one of the main things that needs to be pointed out again and again is that um Shenan's friends, like Nicole and Cass andra and Nate and all the people around her that made a big fucking stink about this to make sure that he that he got home, that the police were called, that this didn't go throughout the day, that they weren't waiting around to see if she showed up. All those people were the reason that he didn't get to formulate a better cover story, that he didn't get to get to cover up any of his tracks. No, because they were blatantly out there. And then everyone was immediately suspicious of them. They are the heroes in this story. They got they came through for their friend. And everybody needs friends like these people. Yes. Like Nicole Atkinson, everybody needs one. I'm telling you, one trillion percent. And it's just it he's just when and we're gonna go through it, what he did during this day. That none of it makes sense. No, none of it makes sen se. So they ask about the charge and he's like, oh yeah, August 12th, she got on a taxi. And they're like, does it say where or what time or like what the taxi service was? Cause they're still thinking like, you know, at this point, maybe they don't know that that he's claiming she was home this morning. Yeah. So you you would answer in this instance, because you know that that was yesterday. Yeah. You would probably answer, well, she was in Arizona, so that might have been to the airport or something. It's not from today. But he doesn't do that. He says, no, it just says taxi. Like, oh fuck. Like he says it like, I I think we've got a lead here, fellas. And even the fucking officer is like, well, that was yesterday. Yeah. So like let's move on. Right. Like he tried to use that, and you see him try to do this a couple of times, try like he takes something that someone says, and he's like, Oh, yeah, maybe that was it. And it's like, you're a dumbass because everyone is giving you little tethers to grab because they want to see how you react. Exactly. It is smarter than you. Every single person around you is smarter than you. Yep. He also said there was a twenty seven dollar charge at Target on August thirteenth. I said that's an act of self-restraint. It really is twenty seven dollars. But obviously by August thirteenth, sh we now know that Shenan was no longer alive. Was it like a pending charge? So it probably just took a bit to show up. But either way, he is so pleased to be able to say this because he makes it seem like, well, she must be out at Target. Like she ran away with the kids and she bought something at Target. It's like, yeah, her she got her go bag and uh for twenty-seven dollars. Yeah and, didn't bring any of their medication with them or hers or her purse, their car seats, anything she wore, any of their clothing. Nothing like that. Like nothing. Her cell phone. Yeah. Like wearing. But the investigator calls them out. The investigator's like, yeah, those charges take a couple of days to show up. That probably wasn't today. Like you can really see these investigators just going, good try. Yeah. Good try. Now they ask this this one drives me crazy. And I got John to validate this one for me. He's on my side. I'm sure not everyone's gonna feel the same way, but this personally irked me. The investigators ask if the girls had a favorite pair of shoes they like to wear a lot. He said just a pair that they loved like a go-to pair of shoes. And he says, No . What the actual fucking lies that lies. I know all of those girls downstairs. I know all of their favorite shoes. Yeah. Um immediately. You have two little girls. I know someone is inevitably gonna tell me I'm wrong because their kid doesn't have a pair of favorite pair of shoes and that's fine. You're in the minority, I think. The likelihood of two gals with a fashion-loving mama, which was clearly what Shenan was, not having a go-to favorite pair of shoes. That's correct. That's crazy work to me. Incorrect. That alone , and it's the way he answers. I will say it a million times and I don't care. My body would not be able to form a smile during my my family being missing. It just wouldn't, it would forget how to do it. I would just be in a state of absolute terror and terror and I would be like Nicole Atkinson is. Yeah, it's when she's seen on the body campaign. You watch that body cam footage , you can see the moment that she sees that her medication is still there. That should answer it. It clicks for her, and you can see that that is a real that is someone you love that is missing right now. She grabs her heart and she starts kind of just like looking around, like, oh fuck, this is really happening. She has the reaction of somebody who loves somebody deeply, loved those girls, loved Shanan, and now knows something is bad. And you can see it all over her face. And it shook me. Like a female reaction. And watching that one little clip, you feel like you shouldn't see it. I know. Because it's such like a real moment of so raw of grief. And it just it sticks with me. I can see it in my brain. But what happens is when they ask about the shoes, he goes, No . And smiles. Like a big cheese smile, like no. Like I don't know shit about my kids. What do you mean? Like and then he so he brings them over to a closet and he's like, No, I just tell them to go get their shoes. And I'm like, okay, but they probably usually get the same shoes. That's how kids work. But he stands in front of the closet and he goes, Bella's are on this side, Celeste are in Ceci's are on this side. And just so he's sitting there looking down at these little baby girls shoes, all over the floor and there is nothing there's nothing and we all know what he did to those babies learning to have nothing nothing looking at like the remnants of their life, nothing. How? I would be sobbing. You're not a dad. And especially even these people, he's trying to make them think that he they're just missing. Even if they're just missing, I'm breaking down at the sight of their little shoes. Yeah. I'm breaking down. You wouldn't even be able to like direct them to the closet. Like like I would just be able to walk over with them and look. You'd just be like they're in the front closet. I feel like I can't look. I'm gonna lose my mind. Like I'm gonna lose my mind. Like I'd be holding shoes. I'd be like I'd be a mess. Like a mess. He doesn't even have a slight and it's these kind of things that when you watch this body cam footage will fuck you up. It's just like it's not graph ic. It's not gruesome. It's not that shit. It's him. It'll fuck you up. The psycho, like the psychologically damaging part of this is watching him not. It's how vacant he is. It really is. And when he is lying, or when he's getting asked something that's difficult for him to answer, he has a tell. A couple. Whereas he has a couple, he'll close his eyes, he'll blink a lot. He does this thing with his jaw where he like kind of does like an underbite rigid thing. Yeah. Uh and he does it a lot. He does it a lot during the surveillance video uh video like showing when Nate is there. Yep. He does it during the interview and he does it here when he's trying I think it's when he's trying to like calm his nervous system. Yeah. But yeah, I hope he is. Yeah. I hope he's in a permanent state of her lockjaw. Yeah, just straight up lock jaw. But it's very interesting he does it here. They walk into the bedroom, the main bedroom, and they see that he has stripped the bed entirely. Now remember, I just want everyone to remember, at this point, he had not been home. He left for work at what he said was 5 15, 5 30 in the morning, leaving his wife in bed, in the bed sheets and everything. And then he went to work. This is the first time he got home. Why's the bed stripped? And where is everything? And he says it's because she had airport on her. Yeah, he said, well she had gotten home last night straf straight from the airport, so she would have wanted to do that at four in the morning. Well he's trying to say, like, she would have washed them, but in that case, they would have found them in the wash. Everybody say it together in the wash machine. Yeah. Instead, they found them in the trash. And they didn't even find all of them. Nope. Find them . And it was missing the top sheet. Yeah. And we will find out why later. And the girls' beds were missing their sheets too, right? Yeah, the girls' beds were missing certain sheets and then later they end up being made. R oh really? Yeah. Oh I didn't know that. Yeah. He he switches that all up. What? Yeah. So he tells them that they had a discussion at 4 a.m. when he woke up. So he woke up. He woke her up at 4 a.m. after she got home at 1:48 a.m. So she had probably slept for less than two hours. Yeah. And he wakes her up at 4 a.m. to talk about separating and selling the house. Awesome. And he said, and when they were like, why did why'd you choose 4 a.m.? Like what the day so she got home from a trip less than two hours earlier and was asleep. And you woke her up to tell her, like, hey, fuck you. Essentially. And they were like, and he was like, well, I didn't text her or like you know, that stuff. Or do it one more time. Why would you have to text her you live with her right just wait until you get home from work when you can actually like wait until you put the girls to sleep and then have a discussion. He cannot put one and one together. He is the dumbest fucker I've ever heard. And again, kudos like thank you to Shenan's friends for making it so he has to think on his fucking feet because one thing Chris stupid ass Watts can't do is think on his goddamn feet. Yep. That's one thing that man is i pick things up and i put them down and that's as far as he can think yep he's a true idiot and it also has nothing to do with the fact that he likes cars oh my god or that he's an automotive technician or whatever he was because guys Drew also works with cars and we never said that they were stupid. No, nobody ever said that. Yeah. If I'm saying somebody is stupid, I mean the murderer is stupid. Exactly. Not the job he does, not the industry as a whole. I literally just said cars. And that is and you guys took that and we're in the day. And only a couple people did, but I was like Only a couple. Please just know that we are never person ally attacking you when we're talking about a family annihilation. No. Not about you. Yeah, don't make a fight family annihilation about you or about cars or anything like that. It's about cars. It's about this dumbass piece of shit. And what it is about is Shenan, unborn baby Nico, Celeste and Bella. That's who it's about. Period. But I just had to put that out there. That we're not saying if he works with cars, you're stupid. He is stupid by nature. Exactly. He'd be born stupid. That's what he was. TM. So yeah. So he's an idiot. So they're like, they're like, that's crazy that you did that right before work. But they're like, sure. All right. Okay. People do stupid things, I guess. And they ask about they're like, oh, you know what? We saw a bed in the basement. What's that about? And they said this is kind of fitting. They said that you 're saying that you were talking about separating, like, I'm assuming she kicked you out into the basement a couple of times and you had to sleep there. And he's like, Yeah, we had some marital problems, which like they did. Yeah. This wasn't when I say the fli the switch was flipped before she went to North Carolina, they had some marital problems. It just wasn't like exploding. Yeah. And it was more like financial stuff. And it was more, you know, things with his family and like that kind of shit. And like in the end, they always came together and they always kind of like worked through it. The f the switch was flipped when it was like he just stopped caring about her. And he just like wouldn't entertain those conversations. He wasn't even really arguing anymore. So that there was some marital problems, but he said sometimes he would sleep down there. And they ask when the last time was he slept down there. Now he says, I sleep down there when we have marital problems, when I can't sleep in my bed with her. Yeah. So she has to be in the house when we're talking about that. They say when's the last time you had to sleep down there? And he goes, Probably two nights ago, three nights ago. Oh . Why would you sleep down there when it was just she was in Arizona during that time. He also says, and that this is a whole other part of it. One, she's in Arizona. Two, he's always saying in this body cam footage that he's gotta be upstairs when the kids are in bed because that's where the monitor is. Yeah. So the kids are in bed on the third floor and you're in the basement? No. What? Because also you didn't even hear this part. He catches himself. Yeah. He knows that that's not true. And he also knows that makes no sense. Exactly. Because he just said he had sleeps down there when he's in trouble with his wife. Right, who is in bed. You just slept there for fun. Catches himself. He says two nights ago, three nights ago. Well um when she was here, so probably Thursday or Friday. Which So he catches himself mid lie, realizes, oops, I just fucked up here. And then he's like, uh well, it was when she was here, obviously, because I did just say that. Like and you can see one of the officers, I think it's a rob he covers his mouth and you can tell he's looking at the other officers like fuck. This guy is not only a monster, clearly, he's a fucking idiot. Yep. Like they're all like, what how does he Well they're all looking at each other like, oh wow, we're standing in the a family annihilator's house. And I do wonder, like, when you watch it, because you again, I'm gonna read some of the reports too where they put their own opinions and what they were feeling in there and saying like I thought it was strange that he acted this way. Like it does make you wonder while the officers are standing there, like next to a play kitchen. Yeah. In the living room, like a little pink play kitchen if they're just looking at this guy and being like, oh he might have killed his little girls. Yeah. And we're just sitting here having to listen to his dumb ass come up with every lie under the sun. And you have to be like somewhat cordial to get the information out of him to get like the not even the correct information but to catch him in these fuck ups and you have to find proof so it's like you can't even accuse like right outright you have to just have to play a part for a while. Yeah. It's like that that in this particular case, I'm like, damn. But again, you can you can see it on their faces, especially because the next thing they say, which I thought was really cool, like a good idea, they were like, hey, okay, like your marital problems are your business, like whatever. And they're like, so maybe she just doesn't want to talk to you. Like, maybe she did leave and she's mad at you and she doesn't want to talk to you. So she maybe her friends are covering for her and saying that you know she's not with them because she just doesn't like telling you see your fucking face. So they're like, so why don't you call your friends and tell them if she is with you, I don't need to know, but just please have her call the police so that we can know that she's okay. She does not have to talk to me, she can talk to the police. Right. And he's like, Got it. And then he's like, Have you called all of her friends? You've called everyone you know. And he's like, Yeah, I've exhausted all the friends I know. And then he goes, but Nicole, her friend, like her friend Nicole Atkinson, she probably knows more because she's a woman . What ? You said this the other and I said what ? You're women Literally says Nicole because like sh a woman. Like we just know more people? We I'm I'm sorry we have friends like I don't track of our community you you know us women always having friends like I don't what does that mean always knowing people's names like yeah, maybe. What is that ? Like I was like, you you can't what is that? And he says it like uh like fucking women. 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That's betterh e-l p. com slash morbid. So they're like, hey, he's like, there is somebody else I can call. So he called, he makes a call to someone. This shook me to my core because he says, now if you were calling someone in this instance, you would say, hey, I'd be like, hey, it's Elena. Like this is urgent. This is real. Like I'm I just need to tell you this. Like John and the kids are missing. Have you seen them today? Yeah. I just need to know. Like that would be it would be like, hey, this is who I am. This is what's going on. Okay, call me. Right. No. He calls and says, hey, it's Chris Watts. Not too bad. Uh, hey, have you seen Shannon today? Not too bad. I didn't add the not too bad in there. That's exactly how he says it. It's on it's it's recording. Hey, it's Chris Watts. Not too bad. The person obviously that says, hey Chris, how you doing? Not too bad. Not too bad. Not too bad. Not too bad. Your whole family is missing. Your entire family is missing. Not too bad. Your entire family is missing and there's no evidence that they left of their own volition. I would love to see him on a good day. I'm like, what did you no human being acts like this no if they are innocent or even or if they're trying to act innocent. Because that's the other thing, you're trying to act innocent. You're standing in a your house full of cops and they're watching you take this phone call and respond to how are you with not too bad. Not too bad. Not too bad. And then he's like, alrig.ht, okay Talk to you later. Talk to you later. And he's smiling. If you please it, he smiles. It is unbelievable. And it's in front of all these officers who are looking at each other like, did he just say not too bad? Like what the fuck? Like what the fuck is that it's unbelievable so even so again this is when too like um nicole points out because she's a good friend she's like wait she has medication she takes all the time and her purse is sitting on the counter where it shouldn't be if she left of her own volition. So she's like, let me check in her purse. So she checks in her purse and she's like, you can see there's like this glimmer of hope . No, there's a glimmer of hope in her face where she's like, maybe it's not in there. Maybe it's if it's not in there, that means maybe she grabbed it. Right. And she's looking and then she can see it drop. And she just says, It's in there. And she's and you can tell, like she's like, fuck. And that's when she gra likbess her heart. She's pacing around. Like the other officers go in another room and they're looking through things and they're like, Hey, like, so these two little girls were on like nebulizers and they had asthma and had like um and inhalers and all of it is here. And these are things they would need with them . Like you can see them all sitting there going, How is this guy trying to act? Like he too bad. And that's how you know like he thought he was gonna get home from work that day. He was gonna be able to wipe that place clean. He thought he was gonna get rid of all the medicine. He was gonna hus get rid of her purse, maybe stash her cell phone somewhere. He was going to get rid of anything that would have indicated that they couldn't have left on their own. And then his story was going to be that they abandoned him and that he could never find them and he could never see his girls again. That was gonna be his story. And her friends said, fuck off. I don't think so. Because not only that, her friends all say, everyone around her says and her family says they loved Chris. They did not. This wasn't one of those situations that were like we just tolerated Chris because like she was always wearing his mask. They loved him. He had the mask on the whole time. Yeah. But this is one of those unique situations where everyone loved him. And then when that mask was tossed away, they said, Well, I don't we that's too big to deny. Like none of them could ignore it. So all of them said, I never would have thought this, but yeah, now I do think he did it. Like that's how bad he was, and how he just let the evil just completely take over when he did this, when he decided he was gonna do this. He just let it leech out, and nobody could deny it. Even people who had loved him like a son. Yep. It's like his it was honestly his family was the only ones that it fooled. Yeah. But even while talking to officers the next day, because remember when we were talking about the porch interview, the infamous porch interview that cooked his ass. He said the only memory he could come up with of how what he misses about his children where you don't get a treat. Yelling at them about not eating dinner and not getting a dessert. And shoving them on their own couch to watch their own show. Not I miss snuggling them. I want to grab them and hold them and smell them. Hear their giggles or lay with them when they sleep. I want to run them to wake me up in the morning. Like nothing like that. Just I wanna make I wanna tell I wanna disappoint them and tell them they can't have dessert. Uh today he had a he had another one. Oh he said um he just misses when they would throw chicken nuggets at him. That took me out. That absolutely fried me. Like that's how you know. Like he hated this. You have to try to human better in this kind of thing. Because he's not safe. For some reason, these are the only memories that he can conjure because all he can think right now is, oh man, fuck, I'm free of all that. I don't I don't have to tell them to eat their dinner anymore. I don't have to sit there and watch bubble guppies while they're on their couch and I can't watch my show and I don't have to sit there and get pelleted with chicken nuggets even though that's fucking hilarious. Exactly. He doesn't want they there's no He can't conjure an actual memory of him caring about them and having a sweet interaction with them. Cause he just doesn't care. Because he's so happy to be free of them. Which is so fucked. I'm glad he didn't know how to human in this scenario. Because he s he sunk his own shit. Because like whatever Google search he did to learn how to act like a grieving father , it failed him so spectacularly that I'm so glad it did. He was too busy looking up lyrics. He couldn't, he could not human in this moment. And he says, and then they're like, hey, what did the girls usually wear to bed? Like what oh my god. Now he's been a father of girls for four years. Yep . Fathers of girls out there or or of just little kids who like to wear nightgowns. You know what a nightgown is. Correct. Because you have kids that wear nightgowns. Even people who don't have kids, I think could say they know what a nightgown is. They're like, hey, does like um one of the officers is like, do you know, do they wear nightgowns? Do they wear like PJs usually? Like what do they love to wear? What were they wearing last night? And he was like, I they were like they have like dresses that they go to sleep in. A nightgown that's not. That's literally what a nightgown is a nightgown. He says it in the name. Nightgown. That's what that is. Anonymous dress that you sleep in at night . He's so stupid. And you know, like Shenan was like, Oh, can you grab me that nightgown? Or like, hey, can you toss their nightgown in the laundry? Like you know what it is. You know what it is. And then he's like, No, I don't remember what they went to bed in last night. And even one of the officers is like, You put them to bed though, you said, because Shanan wasn't home. You had to get them in the PJs. And you don't recall? I always remember what the fuck they're wearing. Yeah. Like three to keep track of. Like they're to you put them in the nut in the pajamas. You remember what pajamas they're gonna be. Not only that, you put them in the pajamas, you also check on them throughout the night. You're sitting there later on, he's sitting there saying he check he's upstairs because he's checking in on the monitor. I always check on the kids. Every oh so many pair, maybe not so many parents I know. Your kids are at my house. I go in there three times through the night. Exactly. If I wake up, I'm like, I should go check them. I should just go check on them. And I know what they're wearing. You know what they're wearing. You put 'em in it. Like it's like, come on. So that's stupid. He just doesn't want to give them anything. And when canine officers come, this is what the report says. Now, the canine officer came in, it says while speaking with Chris about appropriate items such as shoes and clothing, the canine officer stated the importance of the items not being touched by anyone else. Each time Deputy Koch asked Chris about specific items, he mentioned that he had in some way touched them. And you can see it in the video. She's like, okay, like we're gonna need this so we can have like their scent on it. And he's like, well I did touch that. Well I did throw that in the laundry. Well I did rub my body all over that. Well I did spit on that . Well I did clutch that. Well I did walk around with that. You touched every item in this house. Why would you do that? After she specifically told you not to. And it's just physically not possible. You didn't touch everything that they own. No. In the last because they're like in the last like however many hours. Like you know, and he's like, Yeah, last night I just touched the top of this house. I literally touched everything in this house. Tasmanian deviled. Because he doesn't want them to think that he can get a clear they can get a clear scent. And he wants them to know my scent will be on everything. And not because I did it, but because I just touch things all the time. Just also like your scent is probably gonna be on there anyway, motherfucker. You live in the house. Yeah. You're their dad. Hello? And husband. But one of the most egregious, and this is what I was mentioning earlier, was that when Officer Perez tries to like empathize with him. Yeah. Uh he's like, Hey man, like I have a seven-year-old nephew, and I've ta and I took him in and he literally says, I'd be going that chick crazy if he was missing. And he says, I can't imagine two daughters. The entire time he is saying this, Chris doesn't look on at him. He's texting on his phone, which he is always texting on his phone. Always texting. And not even paying attention, doesn't say anything, barely answers him. In the report that he wrote, he wrote, Officer Perez commented to Chris that he can't imagine what he is going through while speaking with Chris, he showed no emotion and he did not seem to respond appropriately to the situation. Chris did not ask any questions or offer to help at any time. Chris's facial expressions rarely changed, however, when they did, he Why are you smiling? His voice remained low and even toned, his nonverbal cues were very apparent. Chris had a very erect and almost tense posture, and his arms crossed a majority of the time. Chris lacked eye contact and appeared to be nervous, looking around constantly. That's them just looking at him. He well, that's the other thing, like with them saying he doesn't have any fucking appropriate emotions. He doesn't cry once. No. In any interview with the media, nope, in any body cam footage, interrogation, looking at the security footage, looking at his baby girls' little outfits in their closets, walking into Bella's purple room with butterflies all over it. Nothing. What nothing fuck is wrong with you literally nothing how do you not have a single human emotion? And I need you guys to see and I maybe we'll be able to post it the the body cam footage of Officer Perez trying to engage with him, he barely looks at him. Barely looks at him. And when he says, like, I'm so sorry, like, I don't know how you feel, he never says like thank you or like I appreciate it. And I think it was like our friends that I mentioned there before, uh Denty and Shaz. Yes. They mentioned and I was thinking it too, at the end of all this, you see the the canine unit leave and they say like, you know, like if you need anything, give us a call. We'll we're gonna work on this. We'll let you know. Blah blah blah. No Not once does he say I appreciate it, thank you. He's just like, yep . Because he just wants everybody to get out of here. These people are supposed to be helping you find your missing family. You'd be like, I appreciate it so much. Thank you so much. Like you, I'll be here. I'll be right here on. Like, if you need anything from me, I'm right here. Like, you know where to find me. Like one of them's like, Do you have my number? And he's like, Yeah, I don't know. And he's like, Do you want it? Like, do do you you want want to have a connection to the people? Trying to find your kids. I can't imagine being an investigator on the other end of it. It must have been so fucking infuriated. It also just must have been the like, I don't know how to respond to people when they act strangely. Like I've never come across anybody quite like this but just in a way where I'm like what like I think having an appropriate respect response but I think that's what happened I think I think everyone was thrown you can tell everyone's like very put up not even knowing how to react to him. That's how I would feel. And Officer Coonrod, who has like a lot of um a lot of the body cam footage is from him, his report is very telling. Really? One part of it says Christopher gave us consent to check Shannon's phone. It had an alert Yep. Detective Baumhopper took the phone to the Frederick Police Department. Christopher showed me his phone, which shows alarm times when the doors are opened. It sent an alarm at about the same time stating he had left the open open the garage door. Christopher Christopher told me that at least three times, which felt unusual. Christopher's demeanor was nonchalant. He asked one time if he should go look for his family. Needed him there for now. He did for now, and that was right when he got there. Yeah. He did not ask again about looking and he did not seem overly concerned. Nicole and Nathaniel said they both felt Christopher was extre mely nervous. Nathaniel said he had heard Christopher numerous times in the past yelling loudly at Shannon. Now, another friend described as one of Shannon's best friends spoke with an investig ators and said she lived with them at one point just for a short period of time and she helped out with the kids, like that stuff. Her name was Christina. Uh, Chris, it says Christina said their marriage began to change when Shenan was in North Carolina. Chris began to get aggravated with the kids around him all of a sudden. Really? She said Chris used to put Shenan and the kids first. Chris began to not touch or ask Shanan about the baby. Christina said that they were when they were separated for the five weeks, she was in North Carolina. Chris came back to Shenan a different man. So see, everyone's like, what the fuck? Christina said Shenan had a routine and was a bit OCD. She advised everything was in order, even what she wore as clothes. Christina described the girls She said if there was an argument when she got home, the girls would have woken up. So she's like, That doesn't make sense to me. Right. Christina used an example of when she lived with them. She said she had to leave early one morning, so they had parked the car outside the garage the night before. And Shanam was worried just turning on the car outside would wake the kids. Wow. So they're really, really . Now, this tells me the more time he spent with the mistress as well, without the responsibility of a wife and kids, the more annoyed he was by the responsibility of a wife and kids. He was getting more and more annoyed because he was getting what he wanted and he wanted to just snip it and start this new life. It also tells me that him pulling up to the garage that morning and backing halfway into the garage, Nate and his wife and all those people were correct, and Nicole and her son and everybody who said no he never does that. He's also never parks in the driveway with that truck 'cause it will leak oil. And you didn't want oil on the garage on the uh thing . Not something he would do. Well no, so think about like starting a truck versus starting a car. Trucks are louder. So they he would park at like out front. Right. So him saying like yeah, I would just pull it up, like no, everyone knows you don't do that. And there's several reasons why you don't do that. And not only that, there's security footage showing that you don't do that. Exactly. Now Officer Goodman called Chris several times during the next day to talk about like, you know, physical traits of Shenan and Celeste and Bell. To investigate to investigate, to try to send out to people like scars they had, you know, like any one. Be on the lookout for this. Yeah, distinguishing features. He said he called him several times and he didn't answer. So investigators are calling him several times while his family is missing and he is not answering. He's not at work, by the way. And how are you? He's not on standby. He then called back and said sorry, something was wrong with the phone. No . Your first thing would be Hey, oh my god, I'm so sorry. First of all, you should that shouldn't even be a thing, but if it did, like something was wrong with the phone. Oh my god, I'm so sorry. Did you hear from them? Have you found them? Do you know what's going on? Nope. Officer Goodman literally wrote in the report, it should be mentioned that once I had made contact with Christopher , he did not ask me if I had been calling because I had any information concerning his missing wife and daughters, or if I was calling because they had been found. To be on his end of that phone call must have been you must he must have just been sitting there wide-eyed. Like, is this motherfucker being so for real right now? You would have and I wonder if he did. I wonder if he was like, Do you wanna know if we have anything? Yeah, I feel like you wouldn't be able to help yourself. I would have to say it. I'd be like, Do you wanna know what's going on? Do you want to or do you want an update? No. Never asked. That's psychotic. It is psychotic. So the day they went missing, he also spoke with Shenan's mother, Sandy Chris did. And this is what it says in the report. Oh god. So Sandy was upset. Uh and this is like it from the uh investigator is writing this report. Okay. So he says Sandy is was upset and told me that she and her husband believe that her daughter and granddaughter's disappearance involved foul play. And that she honestly believes that her son-in-law was involved in the disappearance of her daughter and granddaughters. I can't imagine that shook me. I can't imagine. Well we said yesterday Ma would not for a second if either of us went missing, would never think John would never think Drew. No. Not for a minute. And it's not because again, Christopher acted this way all the time. It's because she is seeing the mask on and she's calling it what it is. These are all people that have their fucking eyes wide open. And he is so unlucky that she was surrounded by people that have their fucking eyes wide open. Thank goodness. And that are also unafraid to take a quick little leap out because this is tough. Of course it is. This is a tough situation for anybody wants to just say, Oh, I think my friend No one wants to accuse this man of killing his whole family. Right. That's not the first thing you want to do, regardless of what you're seeing. Especially when you've known him for years and years and years. So that's how bad it must have been and how bad the switch must have flipped for them all to go, I think he had something to do with it. And so she said um that Christopher is acting weird and out of the ordinary. She said that Christopher is telling people he has to go to work and that just doesn't seem right. Because why would you not be home if they show up? Right. She felt that he and this okay, this is the part you should know ahead of time that Sandy and Shanan spoke every day. Yeah, they were very close, mother and daughter. They were very connected, and this will tell you right now how connected she was to Shenan and how connected she was to Bella and Celeste. Because this gave me a full chill in my bones. Know what you're gonna say, and I'm getting like pre-chills. She said she felt that he is going out to pour oil on the bodies to dispose of them somewhere. To be that in touch with the reality of this nightmare is some next level mama shit. That is so unbelievably intuitive. But I don't even know. I hate that she even had to be that intuitive. I hate that she felt that. But how like she's spot on. Spot on. She also said that she felt when Shenan had come home late from the trip and had been exhausted, and that she and Christopher had argued, but due to Shenan's lupus, she would not have been able to put up a fight. Which also she didn't have any defensive . No, and I didn't even think of that until I read this. I was like, oh my god, you're right. Yeah. She's been on a work trip. She's been on a plane traveling. She's pregnant. And Lucas fucks you up. Lucas is a hard autoimmune disease to deal with and it's stress will bring it on. And she's under enormous stress lately with everything that Christopher is putting her through. And he's been putting her through hell up and down . So it's like that puts her in such a flare-up, I'm sure. I just it horrified me. Now, during the time going back to the day she went that they went missing., um Um this fucking loser was Googling song lyrics. I cannot with this part. I literally cannot with this fucking part. Like three hours after he had dumped them in an oil field. And what he was Googling was battery by Metallica . Now, battery by the way is what those big oil like tanks and that like whole thing, it's called an oil battery. Oh, really? Oh yeah,, I didn't even know that. Yeah. And that's so just to be clear, there's always gonna be the person who's like, Metallica made them do it. No. Well, that's it. For decades, Metallica has had people loving their music and listening to their music and one guy does this and then Googles the lyrics. That does not make it Metallica's fault. No. And we cannot take this away from being Chris's fault and Chris's fault alone. Um but the the actual lyrics are scary considering not in this context. Obviously Metallica did not write them about a family annihilation. No. But when you put it with him looking up these lyrics, it just also makes him such a loser.. Yeah Because it's like you're looking up lyrics. Like what? After you massacred your family. So part of the lyrics are crushing all that cower, battery is here to stay, smashing through the boundaries, lunacy has found me. Cannot stop the battery, pounding out aggression, turn into obsession, cannot kill the battery, cannot kill the family. Battery is found in me. Cannot kill the family. I was gonna say, you can't even say that Metallica made him do it because they said cannot kill the family. And he looked that up specifically so he could sit there and be like, yeah. Like feel something. Like just be just like rock out. They get me. They don't they don't. I can I'm speaking for all of Metallica right now. They don't get you. They don't get you. No. And they do not like you. No. I know that. No one does and fuck you for looking at Metallica lyrics Like fuck you. 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And also if you look at the uh the timeline here and you look at the trans cript like the text messages ingoing and outgoing and the phone calls during this time, they weren't talking. During that little they were talking during the day, don't get me wrong. But during that little period, she didn't ask him about it that we saw that you can see. So so what's that? Interesting. Um, so they've gone through the house, they've talked to the friends, like the investigators have, they've talked to the friends, the neighbors, and they've watched Chris Watts have zero emotion about his family being supposedly missing. Um, I honestly, again, I've no doubts that every officer who entered that house knew something nefarious that happened involving him. Um, there's there's no way . Now during the day, Chris had made several staged phone calls to Shenan as well to try to while he was at work to try to make this trail of concern seem real. Yeah. Because once I think he this this is how I feel like he ha he definitely planned this and he thought it was gonna go a different way. Because he did it. Then he went to work and he said, oop, gotta make a phone call and pretend that I called her. Then the friends start contacting him and saying we we can't get it. And then he's like, Oh shit, I didn't think about the fact that her friends talk to her and care about her, which is insane. And also And that's when it unraveled. Here's how crazy this is. He forgot that she had a doctor's appointment that morning. Or just just didn't know. Yeah. The man who had the mask on, literally kept track of her doctor's appointments. That version of Chris of Chris, how ironic existed, how ironic, how crazy that they both can exist. It's next level. Truly. Now, this one , I hadn't heard this before, and when I read it in the documents, I said this is what you said. He made sure that it was this day, right? Like, because again, he's planning. He's he thinks he's gonna go home and clear out all the things that make it seem like they couldn't have left on their own volition. And he still did this at 82 6 in the morning, that's two hours after he had just disp ki murdered his whole family and disposed of them in heinous ways. Yeah. At eight twenty-si x He called Primrose School, which are the was Bell and slash preschool slash daycare. And it was like a really good school that Shannon had worked hard to get them into. Yep. He called that school at 8:26 in the morning to disenroll them , to take them out of school forever. He literally talked to the staff and told them his daughters would not be returning to school there . How are like I'm glad he's this stupid? How was he ever going to explain that later? How? And he just never thought he didn't account for that coming back up. His answer later was just like, well, I thought that you know she had taken off with them. No. You had no evidence of that. It also had been a couple hours since you'd last Also, at this point, they're not missing. Right. That's where he really went wrong here . He said, I didn't think they were ever gonna come back. Oh no, they were gone. Wait a minute. You didn't know they were missing. They weren't supposed to anyway. You are still calling them . Remember. Like not only is this stupid, even if he had done it in the middle of the day after they were already quote unquote missing, that would still be stupid because you would never disenroll your children. You would be like they're coming home today and they're going to school tomorrow. Like everything's gonna go totally normal and that this is all gonna be a weird dream. Yep. You would never disenroll them essentially admitting that they're gone. That they went missing. And then on top, that would be weird enough to do when you know that they're missing. To do it before they are even missing and then try to make it work is stupid on a level. This is what I'm talking about. This level of stupidity is something I have not seen in a long time. No, we really haven't. He cooked himself from every which thank goodness. I will forever be grateful at his lack of neurons. Yep. But holy shit. And then That was next level. I had never heard that before either. Yeah. Well and then what's crazy is FBI agent Tammy Lee noted later that the payment for the month for that school was due that day. Wow. So he disenrolled them so he wouldn't have to pay for them anymore. Because this truly was about eliminating every single tie to those those kids and his wife and take every responsibility off the table. He didn't even want to pay for a month of daycare for him. Just to keep it. He wasn't even willing to put up with that. He said, I am disengaging from it all immediately . Talk about a disgusting beast. It's n it it just makes beast. Absolutely. I don't understand how people like this exist. Truly such a pathetic waste of skin. Yeah. He's the most pathetic waste of skin and oxygen I've ever come across. He's so disgusting. He's despicable. He really is. Now the former director of Primrose was interviewed because she was also friends with Shanan at one point . And she confirmed that before leaving for North Carolina, she said the same thing they all said. Chris and Shenan were all over each other. Wow. Very lovey dovey, very like PDA, very like happy, and then suddenly it was gone. Wow. And this was again, everyone's that you look through those texts between the friends and her, you look from her, it's all the same story. Um, and she said when he came to back when he came to visit North Carolina and when she came home, he wouldn't touch her, wouldn't hug her. In fact, at one point he said, I don't want to hug you . And wouldn't take photos with the kids. He wouldn't take photos with the kids. Wouldn't kid take family photos anywhere that they went, like wouldn't be involved in anything. What the fuck? Yeah, he knows what he's gonna do. That's crazy. And I truly think that was part of it was he shut it off because he saw what like Yeah. And no responsibility. Nicole. And I think he had already decided what he was gonna do. I don't know if he had the full plan, but he knew what he was gonna do. He was gearing up. And he was he was disengaging to make it easier on himself. Just leave. Just leave. Now they interviewed Nicole Kessinger, obviously. And she gave a lot of info, including that on August 13th, the night the day they went missing, at night that day. So he had gone through the whole day thinking his family was quote unquote missing. They spoke and he claimed Shanan and he told Nicole that Shanan had just told him she was pregnant that morning. There's literally a video that exists of when she told him that she was pregnant. Uh-huh. There's a video. Yeah. So he didn't account for that. Also, she was 15 weeks pregnant. It was pretty clear. And she had had two children before she was showing like he knew what his wife looked like pregnant. Like that's and also like she also had a doctor's appointment that morning. Yeah. Which like would have been one of multiple that she had gone to recently. Had ultrasounds. You all they had named the baby. Yeah. The baby was named. They knew that the the sex of the baby. Yeah. What? Yeah. Also, he claimed to Nicole that not only did she tell him that morning, but she said it's not yours. So now he's trying to paint Shanan as the one . Talk about projection. Truly projection. He projects everything onto Shanan. Because eventually he will project being a murderer onto her. Everything that he does, he makes it a like her. She did it. That's such a like pathology. Yeah. I feel like especially with cheaters. Well, and what's even sadder is later, because Nicole found out that she was pregnant through the media. Right. Because at this point she was like, I didn't believe him. Yeah. Like I just thought he was being weird. Like I just kinda was like, Oh, okay. Like what? And so she said she found out confirmed that she was pregnant and that it was his child and that they had known about it and they had named this child. She found all that through the media. And when she brought that to him and said, What the fuck? He was like, Yeah, I lied . And then he was like, Does this affect our relationship? Yes. Like he was genuinely upset when she was like, Hey, I just found out that your wife that's missing is pregnant with your child and that you knew this for 15 weeks. And that you can't. And he was like, Yeah, okay, I lied about that. Are like, are we okay though? And that and she said that was the point where she was like, I think you killed your family. Like I need to go. Oh my god. Like this was days later. But also another conversation on August 13th, the day that they went missing, Chris told Nicole that Shannon had left her wedding ring at the house. Because remember, he walked out with that wedding ring saying it was on the nightstand. I have a whole feeling about that. Chris asked Nicole, how much do you think the ring is worth? Remember, his family has been missing for about twelve hours at this point. And she responded by telling him to pawn it . Why would you pawn the ring? And he told her he was gonna get it appraised. Why would you pawn the ring if you were expecting your wife to come home? Why would either of you have responded that way? Mm-hmm . Why would he have said how much do you think it's worth? And why the fuck did she even dignify that with a response? I would literally say, What the fuck is wrong with you? Your wife is missing. And instead she says pawn it . What? I got nothing. Like get it together. I got nothing. And then his response was so much, but I got people in the back. Yeah. Because you know what? Whatever. Uh but yeah. I think what happened too was she did not leave that right wedding ring on the nightstand. She didn't. No, the room had been searched multiple times over by the time he came out and was like, Lookie here. No, he took it off of her to sell later. Because also because also that was gonna help him erase a little bit of the debt that they were in so that he could move on with his his new life with Nicole debt-free. Well, and not only that. Exactly. Not only that, too. He I think you would, I don't know if you said it in part one, if we we had just talked about it, but when investigators first got there, he didn't let them in right away. He was in the garage. I took not even in the garage . He was in the house. In the house. He took two full minutes to go from the garage to the front door. Like. Which was literally a five second walk. So what's that about? So I think he found it in the door. He went in the garage , he bent down and picked something up, and then he walked into the the house and he took two minutes inside the house. Yeah. And I think what he was doing was making sure he had that ring, probably taking a second to say, fuck, now I gotta come up with the cover story quicker. Yep. And then he opens the door and he's a fucking wreck. Yep. Now the next day, August 14th, Chris was still completely nonchalant about this whole thing. And he kept anytime somebody asked him like how you doing, like what's going on? He was like, Yeah, not too bad. Slept with the lights on. The whole house. I just kept all the lights on. And I was like, Oh, slept. Wow, that must mean you're sad. How would you I if my entire family was gone , I wouldn't get a fucking wink of sleep unless I it just happened to me. Sleep would never come to me until my body shut down or I would die. Exactly. Like that would cause there comes a time where your body's like, hey, buddy you're gonna die if you don't go to sleep and it'll just force you into sleep. Yep. That's when my body would sleep. Exactly. And I would be sitting up all night outside on my porch just waiting for anything by the phone. Yep. Calling people, calling the police every fucking time plugged in. I'd the I'd be the police's worst nightmare in that scenario because I'd be calling every 20 minutes. Any update? Can I do anything? Like heard from anything. Or you'd be driving around looking for them. You wouldn't be sleeping with the lights . And Nicole, the mistress, even said so a couple of times she it bothered her that he was like, Oh, I went to sleep at this time. And she was like, You slept? Like what? Weird . But that's on August 14th is when he gave the infamous interview on the porch we talked about last time where he showed no human behavior at all. Just swallowing, blinking, and gritting his teeth. Exactly. Now later that afternoon he had a press conference. He appeared at a press conference too. That was another mistake. And to discuss the whole thing. And he said, I'm hoping right now that she's somewhere safe. It's not something I could ever, ever fathom would happen in my lifetime, and I have no inclination of where she is. She said she was going to a friend's house with the kids, and that's the last thing I heard, and that was it. It was very vague. Also, that's another story he's clinging to is after he told her he wanted to separate and sell the house, they got into an emotional conversation is how he described it. Okay I was like an emotion. I hey you haven't met an emotion. And then he says that she told her him that she was gonna take the kids to a friend's house at four a.m. Yep. Okay. Mm-hmm. And that and he loves to say, he says it several times too very vague. And she wouldn't give me the information. If he was gonna be leaving for work, she would have just stayed home with the kids. Of course. She would have to go anywhere. You're going to work. Got them ready at a normal time, gone through the motions, and then got them out of the ho use before he got home from work. Like, what are you talking about? It doesn't make and also you know all her friends. So weird. Like it's just no- And you didn't press her? No. He's texting her, where are you? Yeah. You just said she told you you're at a friend's house. Yeah. So and also you disenrolled your kids from school in the morning. So you just think they're at her friend's house. Yeah. Like shit. You just ended their education because they're at a friend's they had a play date, so you ended their education right there. Wild. That's fucking crazy. Now everyone at this point, including myself at this point in 2018, was said when it popped up on my fucking TV screen and I said that guy did it. The husband did it. Everyone was saying this guy is fucked. Everyone saw it. Everyone. Yep. Everyone was wondering how he was managing to show zero concern or worry for his pregnant wife and two young children. There's something to be said for not judging how people react in certain situations. Of course. But in this situation, there is not an innocent person on earth who would react even close to how he did or not react. No. There is just I won't judge in certain situations. I'm judging so hard that my name is Judy in this situation. Judith Shinley is not a human. There is no parent who would react this way if they were innocent. No. Just no parent on earth. You have to be guilty to act this way. No. No family related to those babies on earth would act that way. Nobody. Her best friend showed more emotion than her husband did. Not even related to you. Yeah. The next day, August fifteenth, Chris agreed to take a polygraph. That was a mistake. Normally we say polygraphs are hot dogs in a trench coat. This one, I'm willing to say was pretty effective. You said yesterday investigator in a trench coat. Investigator in a trench coat. Yeah. Uh once again, he ran through the story that he'd given the detectives the day before, and just before three PM he sat down for it. Now the polygraph session was pretty , it wasn't like super long. It didn't have a lot of questions. And that wasn't because they didn't have a lot of questions for him. He just failed so incredibly that they didn't need to ask anymore. They were like, yep, he did it. He failed so spectacular ly that the needle went off the page. And that's not hyperbolic. That's literally went off the page. Uh agent FBI agent Tammy Lee said for someone who was a truth teller, we would consider them to be a grade two or higher. And we would consider someone to be deceptive if they were negative four or below. Chris Watts scored negative eighteen. Motherfucker is almost five times over a liar. Yeah. What they normally see with someone that's deceptive. He was so deceptive that he was almost five times off. That's wild. Like that's crazy. There's lion, there's Boldfaceion L, and then there's Chris Watts. And then there's Chris Watts. And he and all the questions were things that he simply biologically could not lie about. Do you know where your wife is? No. Do you know where your kids are? No. Did you hurt them? No. Off the page. Like off the page. So after this, they're reviewing the results, and agents Tammy Lee and Graham Coder confront him with the results. And with the other evidence that raised a lot of questions about whether he was telling the truth or not. And eventually Chris admitted to having an affair with Nicole. Not Nicole Atkinson, Nicole Kissinger. Like, how'd we get there, bud? But he said I don't have anything to do with Shenann and the girl's disappearance. They didn't ask him about the affair. They also didn't polygraph him about the affair. The affair was literally never mentioned until they were like, hey, where is your family? And he was like, Well, I am um fucking a coworker. And they were like, Why are you telling us this? Like, that has nothing to do with what we're asking. But he was so eager to gush about his side piece. It's actually , so cringy. Oh, how this happens. And I think the agents were like, is this real? Like you can see in the transcript that they're like, please stop talking about your mistress. Like, why are you talking about this now chris says so they're asking they're like where's your family because they were like yeah no we don't want we don't want to talk about your mistress chris where's your family and he says she she was wonderful.an Meing Nicole, not his wife. What? He said she was a wonderful person who knew he was married. Oops. That's contradictory. And he was having issues in his marriage. Chris said he told her he was gonna get separated from Shenan. Not that he was separated, he was going to. Yeah, planning on it. But he didn't know what that was gonna look like. Chris said she took his breath away, and he never thought in a million years something like that could happen. Chris said he never felt the same way about anyone in his lifetime as he did about her. So not the mother of his three children, one unborn. So Agent Coder says, hey, we don't think your girlfriend hurt anyone. And then he says , could we leave her out of this and get back to talking about your wife and daughters? We talk about maybe where your kids are um editorializing this. That is a transcript that I'm reading you. Oh my god. Chris says, Oh yeah, yeah. Okay. Yeah, we can get back to talking about that. And he says, cool. And he says, Where are your wife and children located? And Chris said, I don't know. The affair was the only thing that I was holding back on, by the way. He can't stop talking about it. And Agent Coder, it literally says reminded Chris that he was not questioned about the infidelity on the polygraph. He's like, hey bro, you don't actually even have to tell us about that right now. We haven't even got there yet. So we're still on the um where's your wife and kids? So that this is literally how this happened. They said, hey, where are your wife and kids? And he was like, I did have an affair. And they were like, Whoa, that's crazy. Um, we are the FBI, though. So, like, we know and then he said, Um, let's not talk about this, let's talk about your wife. Oh, she's just you know, my mistress is a wonderful person. S'hes great. She takes my breath away. She took my breath away. Never in a million years thought this could happen. I I could never feel this, you know, in a lifetime about how she looks. And they're they're like, okay. Can we not I we don't think she killed your family, so can we just talk about your wife and family? And he's like, Absolutely. And they're like, Where are they? And you're like, Yeah, I don't know. Uh, I did have an affair though, just so you guys know. Um, and she is great, and I've never felt anything like I felt with her. And then at the end of it, Agent coder says Chris we know about your girlfriend here's her date of birth and where she lives oh my god because you don't have to tell us anymore because we know every member that we're the FBI do you know what that stands for, Chris?' Were the FBI. Did you think we one didn't know you were having an affair? We have all of your records. We've been following you. And two, do you think I can I I know what Nicole is doing right now. I'm the FBI. He's like, we got a tail on her right now. He's like, bitch, she was looking up wedding dresses a couple of ye days ago. Did you know that? I know that. I'm the FBI. I know that. Like, you idiot. You're sitting there being like, affair, affair, affair. And they're like, your family's missing. Can we talk about that? 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We I don't know if we mentioned this in part one, but I saw something that said like um one of his former cellmates said he gets Oh yeah. This is disgusting, gets letters from women women all the time. And like they said they're in the discovery documents. They send him like bikini pics and shit like that. You're a fucking freak if you do that. Like something's wrong with you. You shouldn't have access you shouldn't have access to the tools that that letter writes. He smothered his two babies and killed his pregnant wife and dumped them in an oil tank. If you do that shit, something is fucking wrong. Yeah, you're probably not fixable. Yeah. No. But sorry. You're just not. So that that cellmate though said like he becomes so obsessed with one particular woman and he will like write her a 15-page letter back and like talk nonstop about her and like literally it's like compulsive. So I feel like that was Shanan because remember in part one, he like exactly he pursued her, he was like, please give me another chance, la de da doo. He played the doting husband. He had, I don't think he probably who knows if he wanted to have kids, but Shenan did. So he did, because that's what he like he will just bend to be whoever they want. And then when he doesn't want to do that anymore and the next quote unquote in his eyes best thing comes along, he that's why the mask drops so quickly. Yeah, because he was like he was d conforming to what he needed to conform to, which now he's cheating on his wife and his whole family. So he's like this bad guy. So he's like, I'm gonna be a bad guy. Let me play this role now. I'm gonna play this role now. But it's that's why the mask just like falls to the floor and shatters because he just atta ches immediately to this next person. Because he did at one point Nicole said in one of the interviews she did state that she always believed he was more into her than he she was to him. I don't know about that because I got googling wedding dress for two hours that you were googling like marrying your mistress and like all that stuff. So like it sounds like you were pretty into him. So I don't know about that. I'm not in the relationship so I can't say it's I'm just looking at context clues here. But I I'm sure he probably was because there was like um he would give her cards where he would write these long like love letter things in there and he always had lyrics in them. He's like a lyric guy. Okay. And that's not a bad thing like for nice people. It's it's a gross thing for Chris Walls. It's everything is gross. I just want to say that. When it comes to Chris Watts. Exactly. It's not necessarily gross for other people. It's just he makes it gross. And I d that's the thing is I'm like, don't do that, because I don't want that to be a great. I know, because I'm like, I love lyrics. I like lyrics, yeah. But he would he like gush to her and like spilled like so he was like he was obsessed with her. It's also just in like a really like like juvenile coded. He's very st unted. He is very stunted. Very stunted and I I wonder why. Um so I don't know why. No. So who knows? I have no idea. There's no evidence. Um none. So the agents continue to pepper him with questions for hours But you have to explain like you did. When you first watch it, you go, Why the fuck did you do that? You just gave him an idea. Because that was my response, but I'm glad that you explained this the way that you did. These agents were really smart the way they did this. So they they were telling him, you know, I can see it on your face, Chris. You know what? I can tell that you that there's something you want to get off your chest I can see it in your eyes I know it's hard to hold on to these things people make mistakes we're not gonna judge you we're here to help you through it like things happen, uh things can be tough, blah blah blah. And that part I all got like I've seen that done. But then they say , Did she do did Shannon do something to those girls? And that's when I was like, why the fuck would you even put that in the back? Now the reason they did that, because he immediately you can tell it's like he's like, No, no, but you can tell it's like it's not emphatically. He's like just rolling it around in his head and they keep kinda asking, like, did that happen? Like, you gotta tell us. What they're doing is they're present ing an option that is more acceptable. That if she did something to those kids, of course you were gonna kill her. And he's the hero. You're a father, you protect your kids, of course you were gonna defend them so they're presenting him with this you can be the hero Chris while also admitting to murdering your wife. So just tell us that you did it and we'll help you through it. And apparently. one No will call you a bad guy. In fact, people will probably love you because you protected your children from a monster. Meanwhile, it's not occurring to Chris that another one of his children was in his wife's belly at this time. Oh yeah, that doesn't ever cause I don't think he gave a shit about that in any way, shape, or form. But the big thing here is that now that they get if once they get him to say yes, I killed her because she killed the kids, now they've pinned him with murder regardless of what was going on. They know that he's not going to be able to prove that. There is zero evidence to show that. And that once they got him there, then they can start pushing him down the the alley of, okay, well you already admitted to killing her. And just pulling little thread. And we can start saying, Well, we do have this evidence that says you did it, and we do have that. And it's much easier to push them down that alley once you've got 'em over the hump of yes, I did murder someone. Right. Cause then you can keep them. It was smart. It could, it's a risk and it can backfire, but I think it worked really well in this instance. Because he starts kind of cracking a little bit, he doesn't say it, and then they can see that. And again, another smart move is they go, Do you want to talk to your dad? Because they remember his dad is like he felt the one person that truly understood him, and they're super close. Yep. So they bring him into the interrogation room and they say, We're gonna leave you two alone so you can talk. Which like so Chris talks to his dad, and his dad is genuine in the beginning, like trying to be like, what happened? Like, just tell me what happened. And he tells his father that he had seen Shenan that morning before he left for work. And his dad is like, you know, because his dad has heard this. So he's like, did she do something? Like what happened? Did you do something? Like what's going on? Just tell me what's happening. And he claimed they had another argument about their marriage. And when he came downstairs, he found Shannon had smothered the girls to death because she was he was she was so mad that he wanted to separate that she murdered her children. Um and he tells his father, and I freaked out and hurt her. Now according to Chris, after he strangled Shenan and wrapped her in the top sheet that was missing, and then took her body and the bodies of Bella and Celeste out to the truck. That's when he drove out to one of the oil tanks his company owned in the middle of a remote area, and after burying Shenan in a shallow grave, he placed the girls' bodies into each tank, then sealed them up and drove to work like nothing happened. Why would that be your response in any world? Precisely. Why would that be what you did? Well, and it's so now he's confessed to the murder of Shenan, but he's swearing he had nothing to do with the murder of the children. But there are about a billion things in this confession that everyone said no . At one point, he even looks at his dad and he says, Why does the why did this happen to me? Why did this happen to those two little girls nice why did it happen to you nice that you asked about yourself first not even the kids first just why did this happen to me I mean why did this happen to those two little girls I'm like you can't even human you don't know how to human. No, you don't have a father. He can't even kinda he doesn't even stumble into humaning at any point. Which is crazy. Which is even crazier 'cause I feel like a robot even stumbles into humaning every once in a while. Like honestly. AI can human more than Chris Watts can human. Yep. Like truly. And several times the interrogators tried to get him to admit what he did to Celeste and Bella after this. And they noted they and I this was was another thing I glad they did. They looked right at him and they said, listen, we're not gonna feel right if Shenan, a murder victim who cannot defend herself, takes the rap for murdering her own children if she didn't do it. And they because they know it. And they're trying to appeal to him now by being like, listen, you can't pin this on a mother who didn't do it. She'll she's dead. Like her legacy is gonna be murdering her own baby girls, and you're gonna let that happen. And he says, I'm fine with it. Of course he is. He doesn't give a shit about her anymore. He was totally fine with it. Diabolically fucked up. He's fine with Shannon being known as a mother who smothered her children to death because she was mad at the husband for wanting to separate. He was fine with her going down like that. And because he said that, there are people that believe that. Yeah. Like they're insane and they're cle like are not educated on this case. Anybody who thinks Chris Watts is innocent in any way, shape or form, I don't want to hear anything from you. No, I don't want to hear anything from that. But how fucked up is that's willful ignorance is what that means. He was okay doing that. Yeah. And did it. Yeah. He was warned out. Even when warned about the consequences. Exactly. He did not care. And he said that's fine. But they also pointed out something that was interesting and really good too. And they were playing on the fact that he is not a parent. Like he's not a human. He's not a father. Because he let us go. Because they said, you know, here's the thing. And they said, so when you came downstairs, what did you see? And he said, he said, Shenan was on top of CeC e. Now again, this is him, he lied. Yeah. And they said, okay. And they and he said, so I grabbed her and I strangled her. I was just so angry. Like I could I saw those girls and blah blah blah. And they're like, yeah, yeah, totally. And then they're like , um, no parent is ever gonna accept that their children are dead. They're just not. And they said certainly not enough to dump them in tanks of oil. Yeah. Like they're just not. And so they said, it's strange to me. They said, Did you try CPR? Did you try life saving, reviving them, like anything on them? Which you would. And he said, no. And they were like, that's weird to me. Like Agent Coder was like, I'm sorry, I can't understand that. I would do everything I could to bring my child back to life. And they said, Do you didn't call an ambulance to try to revive them? Nope. And they were like, that's weird. That's weird. And he was like, I was scared. And they were like, Yeah, parents don't get scared over their love for their children. Like at the you don't pick scared over love for child. And they were like, especially it just doesn't make sense to me. And he's like, No, no, no. I was scared. Okay. Like, yeah, you're right. Now, meanwhile, as this is happening, police had discovered the body of Shanan . Uh, she was buried the top of like where she what her body was eight inches under the dirt. It's a shallow. Shallow. Calling that a shallow grave is actually generous. Yeah. It's a divot. And she was found about a hundred feet from the large oil tanks at the Anna Darko oil well site near Roggen, Colorado, where he just worked all day. Yep. Or almost would have worked all day. Yeah. He was around employees that day at that site feet away from where his children were laying in an oil tank and he was joking with them. They everyone at that site said he didn't act even slightly off. That's unreal to me. Nothing was different. Now they found them because he had gone to that site that morning and worked there and he had his truck was a work truck. It had GPS on it. Right. So they followed the GPS . He didn't think through any of this. No. And that's why it's wild that like this was planned. Yeah. Like he thought he really thought he was gonna be on the cover. That he was gonna murder them. Yeah. And he thought he could go home and just get rid of anything that said. But it wasn't meticulous. Because remember, one thing about this side that I will give, like for this to be part of the plan, he was going to that site anyways. Right. So his GPS sho wing that he went there isn't the thing that tipped them off. Exactly. It's just because he would have been there anyway. They're going backwards and they're following his trail because they are now just investigating different things. So this wouldn't have tipped them off. So this could be he this is part of the plan of well I'm going there anyway. So fucking stupid. Now they did an aerial search. From the air they spotted a piece of sheet that Shenan was wrapped in and buried in. It was sticking up from the dirt. And they said, hey, there's some fabric. They were able to determine that the sheet was from the missing set that they found in the trash. And during that search, Chris confessed it like that he had killed Shenan, it was happening like at the same time. So they're finding the sheet, and then he immediately confessed and he said he disposed of their bodies at this site. So he they took a picture of this site from the air and sent it to the police station and he wrote their initials on where they were. Oh my god. Um, one on each tank because something that like really upset both of us yesterday. I think Ash didn't know. No. Was that he dumped Celeste and Bella in separate tanks? I never knew that. And for some reason, I mean everything about that just shatters him. Him dropping them in an oil tank alone, but to separate them to separate them from their not only from their mother but from each other each other is like they were just alone in those oil tanks a four year old and a three year old and why did you throw them in oil I shouldn't even say throw them, why did you shove them in oil tanks ? But we'll get there. Now on August 16th they went back and completely drained the tanks of crude o il. And this is going to get rough. I'm again, I'm not going to be super graphic about it. The discovery documents are very graphic about this search, and I warn you that ahead of time. When you if you are reading them and you get to this point, I suggest you skip over it. It's horrific, and I wish I had never seen it. Um, that's when they found Celeste and Bella in each tank, uh, and they were able to get them out. Um, autopsies concluded that the death of Shenan was man ual strangulation. Although her hyoid bone was not broken, he just knew what to press on to stop breathing. And the deaths of Bella and Celeste were violent and horrific asphyxiation due to smothering. And he smothered them with their favorite blankets. And Bella fought back really hard because Bella was the last one killed. Bella's the four-year-old. So she had seen what happened. So Bella 's last I'm gonna cry again. Yeah no of course you are. Bella's last moments we're seeing this. Nightmares. And that like ruins me. Like I just like I don't I don't get how somebody does this. I don't get it she there were also and that's like that's half of you you created those beings that's the thing how would you not die for those babies and how do you kill them oh how do you do that? I can't even raise my voice at my children without apologizing after . I don't I don't know. I just don't get it. And there were injuries as well from being shoved through an eight-inch hole that neither of them could fit through comfortably. So he had to further hurt them. And he just didn't care. He just didn't care. And then he worked by those tanks. He's a fucking monster. He's a disgusting, irredeemable , monstrous piece of shit. Yeah. And if there is a hell, he will see it. He's in it. And honestly, if there is a hell, I hope he sees it every day. He does. Yeah, and you he has said that he does. Oh, he said he's haunted. And I hope he actually is. I hope he's not just the visions every day and I hope it gets worse and worse. I hope those visions never fade. And I hope they get clearer and clearer. I hope they drive him to complete and utter madness. Yeah. And then he loses his fucking mind. I hope it's the same thing like Brian Kohlberger in the Adaho 4 where he's losing his mind at night because none of the inmates will let him sleep. That's what you get when you murdered. I hope that he's getting that. Now there was a report that I saw that was on August 18th, just going through the timel ine. And that just gives you another, after you've just heard that, gives you another indication of how little he cared and how much he knew that he was probably gonna get caught. There was a friend, a mutual friend of both of them , a guy named Christopher Rusk. Um, and he found out that the family was missing and he hadn't heard anything yet. And he had reached out to Chris, this was a few days of prior, and was saying, like, Oh my god, I'm so sorry if there's anything I can do and he said the only thing that Chris said to him was, quote, I shouldn't have talked to the media . What the fuck? And he actually went to the police with that and said this was weird. Yeah. So everyone around him was like, this is weird. I shouldn't have talked to the media. He basically just said, Well, I'm fucked. Yeah. On August 19th, the police department got an email from someone and this is this is just a strange thing that I found that I had there was no verif like nothing came after this. Yeah nobody found this person but it's still in the documents and I thought it was a strange thing to see. I was like, huh. Yeah. So the police department on August 19th got an email from someone at familyheating at Aol.com and it was saying that Chris was having an affair with a woman, not Nicole Kessinger, whose ex-husband he worked with at this oil company and they spoke and interacted through a secret calculator app. Which is interesting. This is interesting because that information had not been revealed. Right. That he talked to Nicole Kessinger through a secret calculator app. That's I don't know about anyone else, but in 2018 I wasn't hearing about a secret calculator app that was flying around for people to cheat on their spouses. I wasn't. So it's weird that she said this. And I'm like, this is weird. Like as was he having multiple affairs and this person just didn't come forward or what? Maybe. Like it's very strange. It's weird. But s on August 19th, the same day, Nicole Kessinger, like we were saying she knew she knew Google. Yeah. Does everybody remember Amber Fry? Of course. Amber Fry in case you don't know. Amber Fry was unknowingly having an affair with Scott Peterson who murdered his wife Lacey Peterson on the channel and their unborn child. And their unborn child, Connor. Amber, by all accounts and by all the things that they researched and saw, did not know that he had this whole other life. Didn't marry. Did not know he was married and actually aided in the investigation. And she wore a wire. She did like she really tried to get him caught. Um, so she had a different vibe. Yeah. Uh to so everybody just kind of rallied around her because damn that's traumatic. Yeah. Now Kessinger on August aug 19th Googled did people hate Amber Fry , things about Amber Fry's net worth, and things about her book deal. If this lady woman thought that she was getting a fucking book deal. That's I'm like, what are you gonna write? Well, and all you thought you were gonna write about this? Like you had any insight? And that um I'm sorry, that you deserve that's the thing. The money that comes from that? What the fuck? You knew that he was married with children. Whether or not he was separated. You knew he had children. And you were having an affair. You knew you had to interact in private. You knew that this wasn't okay. Like that's that's the thing. It's like that's a completely different scenario. So that was interesting to me. That's in the discovery. Yeah . If you're trying to be more intentional about what you wear day to day, Quince can help with that. They've got pieces that feel easy, comfortable, and still put together, which is what I love. 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He was the day after his family is missing. He's ready to start this new chapter of his life. He's gonna fantasy football. He's gonna yeah. He can spend his money on whatever he wants now. He already un enrolled his children in daycare after killing them. Mm-hmm. I'm in. I'm in. The day out while your family's missing. I've already started looking at my my people that I want to do. You wouldn't catch me answering emails. No. If I was joining fantasy football leagues. You wouldn't see the Gmail app open on my phone. Now this is the kind of shit that you need to see because you need to know how diabolically awful this piece of shit is. I'm in. I'm in. Now, a few days later, Chris Watts was arraigned on a count of first-degree murder and the death of Shenan, and one count of causing the death of an unborn child. At his arraignment, Chris's attorney, James Merson , argued that he had killed his wife in a fit of rage after witnessing her kill their two daughters. Merson also petitioned the judge to require the district attorney to require DNA testing on the necks of the two girls. But that was rejected on the grounds that the judge does not have the authority to tell the prosecution how to conduct their investigation. And it probably wouldn't have worked anyway because he shoved his two children in an oil tank. So that would have disturbed some DNA. It absolutely did. Now from the moment he offered up this story about Shenan killing Bella and Celeste, nobody believed that. Nobody believed that. It doesn't make any sense. There was no one that believed that. And there was also no evidence to support that story. Well, also, this is something that we said yesterday that we forgot to mention today , that security camera footage that Nate has shows too little shadows going on in the middle. It does. It does I don't think it shows too little shadows, but it shows more than just his shadow. So like there's movement that you can see that clearly they're alive. Like there's no just Chris getting into the car. It's not just Chris moving about. Like it just doesn't. There's no evidence to show that. And despite this, the district attorney Michael Rourke decided to take a chance on getting a further confession from Chris. At a meeting in early October, Chris was informed that the prosecutor intended to pursue the death penalty, as they should. Uh, but he was willing to take that off the table if Chris was willing to tell them what really happened that night, which I think was brilliant. Smart . Finally, under threat of execution, Chris confessed that Shannon had not hing to do with their daughter's murders and he was just gonna let her take the fall for it. And it was the in fact Chris who had killed them. How nice that he had a choice in not getting executed. Exactly. Now, what had happened that night, like I said earlier, he drove them forty-five minutes alive . He told them that mommy's sick and needs to go to the hospital, put them in the car, and drove them forty-five minutes and could have changed his mind. Once