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He's on the Cs with the captain said fly in the ferry, crossing right in front of the statue of. Lvery got a plane landing behind it. He's connected, cinematic. He's connected director TJ. Well done. Welcome back to morning Joe. It is Wednesday, july first. We're into July, Mike Barnacle is still with us. joining the conversation, opinion writer at the New York Times, Mara Gay MS now leegal affairs repeporter Fallen Gallgher, and executive director of the ACLU Anthony Romero. ACLU filed the first lawsuit challenging President Trump's executive order against birthright citizenship which ended up being struck down by the Supreme Court yesterday. Good morning to you all. Anthony, I'll start with you because since you brought the lawsuit. It was Your reaction to the decision number one and then as we were just talking, the vote. Anything surprise you in there? Yeah. I mean, we're thrilled, obviously. This was a decisive win for our case for our clients. This was the president's one of his very first executive orders trying to strike down the right to be a U. S. citizen if you're born on American soil We were ready for weeks before inauguration dayay because we knew we would come He promised it on the stump. We took him literally and seriously. found the clients, drafted the papers, and two hours after he signed the executive order, we filed We were surprised. I actually thought we were commenting before. I thought we would win seven two The only ones I write off right from the beginning are maybe Alito and Thomas I thought maybe Gorsit would be in play with this one, but Still six three is definitive. I think the arguments broke down on both statutory and constitutional grounds. I'm sure we'll get into it. In the end, it was a decisive win and it locks it in now, the right to be a U. S. citizen if you're born here is firmly established in law and ratified by this court and gratifying that we had both both Roberts and Amy Coney Barrett in the constitutional arguments. Birthright citizenship has been a fixation of this president, maybe brought to his attention by people like Stephen Miller and others around him. The White House calling this a destructive decision, one of the worst by the Supreme Court ever. We heard JD Vance and Mike Johnson criticizing the decision. Some of the things under this president that have been foundational to the country that are enshrined in the Constitution almost have to be restated these days So can you talk about why you believe birthright citizenship is fundamentally important? I mean, those statements were so sad, actually. When I think about the fact that we're on the cusp of celebrating the two hundred and fiftieth anniversary of the Declar of Independence, some of the founding moments that animated our democracy And what's the core of birthright citizenship is America's promise that we're all equal under the law. that of you' born here You're one of us. You're an American period And if this executive order had got into place, the president would have had the ability to kind of make Distinguishing different classes of citizens, secondecond class citizens, if your parents are not born here, but you are You maybe not one of us will carve you out from this great American promise And I think it's fundamentally un American the way that they have talked about this. This is The fourteenth ammendment was what cured America's original sin of childel slavery. It is also what made a nation of immigrants One nation that we became one people with the fourteenth Amendment And so for them to kind of cast aspersions and try to attack it the way they have, and we'll continue to attack it. I'm clear eyed that this battle is not done And the presresident has said as much, okay, that's too bad that decision. Now let's take this to the Congress. And Congress can't fix it. R. The president needs to be schooled on that. The only way to fix this is with a constitutional amendment or a different case before a different Supreme Court And they can spend all their energy if they want, but they're not going to succeed. Fallen, you sat down toting that rather heavy, voluminous decision Um As you've covered this story so closely, anticipating which way the court might go, how it might vote What do you read into it this morning? Yeah, I think the biggest surprise here was the way that Kavanaugh came down. we were saying earlier we thought this would be seven two, eight one. There was never any question about whether or not the Supreme Court would uphold birthright citizenship. It was just how and along what lines. And so the fact that you only have justices who are upholding this on constitutional grounds on the fourteenth Amendment. and then you have Kavanaugh. This is a six three decision, but we're kind of calling it a five and a half, three and a half decision because of this Kavanaugh split, where he disagrees on the fourteenth Aendment grounds, but agrees that it is illegal on the statutory grounds and sort of lays out a roadmap for how they could change this to overcome this and thus strike down birthright citizenship. So that was really surprising to me because it seemed highly likely that most of the court was going to decide to uphold this. This has been around for a long time. And you have to remember too that this is the Supreme Court's own precedent. Since eighteen ninety eight, they upheld this. And so the fact that this split came down as narrowly as it did, incredibly surprising Mara, just your takeaway as you look at the majority decision as it was written effectively saying that we uphold the promise of the Constitution, a conservative chief justice writing that. What do you see in all this? Well, you, Anthony said a moment ago that he thinks I think this isn't over And as relieved as I was to see the decision yesterday and You know, knowing that we are On One vote potentially away. So that five four split where only five of the justices upheld birthright citizenship based on the fourteenth Amendment We only one vote away. potentially from I haaving birthright citizenship that was enshrined by the Civil War U, And by freed slaves and Frederick Douglas and Abraham Lincoln and President Grant That effort could be overturned and I wonder What is next and what you know about The movement on the other side, the conservative movement, which, unfortunately, sadly, has been rallying around blood and soil nationalism which is the idea that's, I think, quite sick and very anti American that You know, we are a nation that is just ethnically white and everybody else doesn't get to be an American. I mean, what is next for them? and what is their strategy because I think Americans should know. So I think it migrates from the courts and it migrates from a legal strategy because I think ultimately this is locked un loaded for a good, long while. It's unlikely Another Supreme Court case coming before it would have a different outcome. not with Chief Justice Roberts writing the majority opinion They'll have to wait ten or twenty years before they overturn a decision this quickly But I think it migrates into the culture wars, into the body politics It will become a rallying cry for their election. Certainly you will see efforts that will be there poor promise to their constituents to restore America's promise and to hearken back to a day when America was Great, Ii. e more white And so I think it will have great power in the political arena, but I don't think it will have continontinued power in the legal arena. Ten years is now Well, I know. You know, you mentioned the word sad a few minutes ago in terms of your reaction to react some of the opinions The sadness, I think, extends beyond just the two hundred fiftieth anniversary of this country coming up. when you link Birthright citizenship and the arguments about that with the temporary protected status disappearing for so many people. That was a heartbreak country U And it's just u burden that these people carry In this country, which was always historically so welcoming to people who came here and worked hard and still come here to work hard and now being dismissed And you have to add to that the case also that same day they decided about due process at the border and whether or not you could Apply for asylum. And then also you have to add to that the The growth of the deportation machinery, you had one hundred seventy billion dollars and then subsequently another seventy billion dollars build to detention, deportation machinery And they're using that machinery. They're filling those beds. They're deporting and detaining people in record numbers And so I think you're right. We've won this very important case at the highest level in terms of birthright citizenship But in terms of the ground war on the attack on immigrants, on immigrant communities it is rather significant. and I worry that we are not keeping up with the the massive challenges that we're seeing to these communities. And so a nation of immigrants is really being torn asunder. And I do think that you know whether it's ten or twenty years, they're going to stay on this And so I think it's important for us to continue to have the conversation. I actually think it's very good for us to kind of talk about these first principles. I think it's important to take apart the Kabau decision because I think there are parts of it that had me, I have a law degree, and so I read it several times And I still want to go back and kind of kind of check it again a third time I was most surprised at Justice Gorsuch. I was very disappointed. I thought for sure he might be in play on this one. And so thank God for Amy Cony Barrett and for Chief Justice Roberts. pointint out that the ACLU filed its lawsuit against this executive order two hours after it was put in on inauguration day, twenty twenty five. So a long road to this win yesterday for you. In another decision yesterday, the Supreme Court also struck down Lim rules that place limits on how much national political party committees can spend in coordination with candidates. This was a six three vote as well. The court ruled the Federal Election campaign Act from nineteen seventy four violates the First Amendment rights of political parties. Republicans, including Vice President JD Vance and the National Republican Senatorial Cittee brought the challenge to Justice Brett Kavanaugh wrote the majority opinion, which readason in part in short, constitutional text, history and precedent establish that the political party coordinated expenditure limits viol the First Amendment. So Fallon, this is an extension. we talked last hour a little bit of Citizens United, which is that money is speech protected by the First Amendment. Any surprise to you here in this one? No, this seemed likely how the court was going to rule, but this I cannot underscore enough, this is the biggest change to campaign finance since Citizens United, and it is going to fundamentally change the way that political advertising and coordination works for this year's midterm elections Now, this is going to shift power away from super PAs back to the major political party groups, and this gives an unbelievable advantage to the Republicans going into the midterms. Just I was talking to our political director yesterday, just to put this into perspective because I knew that the Republicans had an advantage, but I didn't realize just how much, the RNC has one hundred million dollars in cash on hand Meanwhile, the DNC is in debt. So the fact that this power is moving back to the political parties and away from the super PCs is going to change how advertising works. And the fact that this is a First Amendment argument is so interesting. Basically, they were making the point that they need to be able to communicate and collaborate to do political advertising. And if they can't do that, That is a violation of the First Amendment. So this is really, really a stunning rel. And so theoret a donor could just funnel unlimited funds through the political party to get to a candidate now. This is all of the power will be with these political parties Anthony, before we let you go, what's your next mountain to climb here? What are you guys focused on right now as we head to the midterm elections? So obviously protecting the midterm elections is critically important and that's a ground game. That's making sure that that people are able to cast their votes so they're counted, and that when they're counted, ultimately, the individuals who win the elections are seated and certified. That's State by state jurisdiction by jurisdiction Next term of the court, we probably have theen enemies actct case. that's our case as well about whether or not you can deny individuals due process based on this declaration that we're at war with these drug cartels. We don't think so. We've been successful underneath the lower courts And so there's also a mandatory detention case There's no lack of work for us. We have over three hundred and thirty legal actions against the Trump administration. and so I dare say we'll be on the show with you and talking about our cases the next several years. This is an important time for our work. We will be watching. Executive director of the ACLU, Anthony Romero, Anthony. thanks so much. MS now, legal affairs reporter Fallen Gallgh, than you, as well. Good to see you. Still ahead on morning, Joe. We're following new reporting on the growing costs of President Trump's White House ballroom and the secret no bid contract awarded for its construction Plus, Democratic goveror Jh Sapiro of Pennsylvania standing by. We'll talk to him about how he's marking the nation's two hundred fiftieth anniversary and much more. So watching Morning Joff,'ll be right back. ONDeck is built to back small businesses like yours. Whether you're buying equipment, expanding your team, or bridging cash flow gaps, ONDeck's loans up to four hundred thousand dollars make it happen fast. Rated A plus by the Better Business Bureau, and earning thousands of five star trust pilot reviews, ONDeck delivers funding you can count on. Apply in minutes at OndDeck dot com dot Depending on certain loan attributes, your business loan may be issued by ONDeck or Celtic Bank. 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The Washington Post reports this morning The White House secretly awarded a no bid contract worth up to five hundred million dollars for the construction of the new East Wing ballroom According to the Post, the contract was routed through the executive residence to bypass competitive bidding rules and President Trump was directly involved in negotiating some of the costs. ost cites a copy of the agreement, related correspondence and records it obtained The estimated cost of that new ballroom has tripled to six hundred million dollars with at least half now expected to come from you, the taxpayer, Despite President Trump's repeated claims private donors would cover all of it. In response, a White House official told the Post the contract was issued through the executive residence because it will quote be the primary support of the facility And that office follows the law Briinggin presidential historian, Pulitzer Prize winning author John Meacham. He is joining us today from the National Constitution Center in Philadelphia ahead of America's two hundred fiftieth anniversary As the Center's semi quincententennial scholar in residence, John, there's never been a more pretentious title than that one and it fits you well, sir. It's great to see you John I want to say I just lost twenty bucks because I bet you could never say it I want to say so I could get to the Mult. That's all that. Youranderbilt Vanderbilt education has paid off. so I think that's your parents have done well Thank you, John. It's great to see you nevertheless, despite your title. You're in Philadelphia ahead of this two hundred fiftieth birthday of the country. No one better than you at articulating kind of where we are and where we've been. So what are some of your just kind of thirty thousand foot thoughts here as we come up on the birthday Well,, given the Supreme Court ruling, given even what you were just just reporting, it's a It's a difficult time in the life of the country. twenty twenty six is not a period where a lot of folks feel celebratory. The documents, the spirit and the substance of the Declaration of Independence of the Constitution are worthy of our commemoration and our protection And it's a reminder being in Philadelphia, which was such a A pivot point. It's a place where as you know, the history is ambient And it, you know, none of this It almost never happened, any of it I when Benjamin Franklin famously left Independence Hall right over here A woman said, Well, Mr Dr. Franklin, what have you given us a republic or a monarchy? And he said, a republic, madam, if you can keep it And it's up to us to keep it. And I think the best way to prepare for that to do that act of commemoration, that act of remembrance that shouldn't be passive. Rememberbrance shouldn't just be about nostalgia. It should be about vivifying and strengthening ourselves for fighting for the rule of law now It begins with remembrance and it begins with engaging with the Constitution. It begins with engaging with the declaration You know, Mr. Meacham, I remember Ben Franklin saying that. I was right alongside him years ago It was a good column you wrote that day. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you very much You know, let's stay at thirty thousand feet. couldould you in your tell us What your definition today is of being an American The American m Weed are blessed to be in a country that part of an unfolding drama. in the West. fromr Magna Carta and Gutenberg forward You know, the invention of movable type, which democratizes information. You know, you didn't have to depend on monks to do an illuminated manuscript. You know, anyone could go to a printer shop print an idea and get it out there. You know, it was the the earliest form of the internet. The glorious Revolution in England, which created a balanced constitution between king and parliament vital reminder of how we have to keep those things imbalance Protestant Reformations, you know, the translation of scripture into the vernacular, this whole idea, this whole shift that the Constitution and the Declaration were, I think the clearest political embodiment of the world being organized vertically Right where popes and princes were at the top. And we were subjects But the world is becoming more horizontal We were born with the capacity to determine our own destinies And what the Declaration and the Constitution did is they codified The centrality and sanctity of the individual and the equality not coming out of success But equality before God and before the bar of history and before the courts of every individual soul and When that is under threat from forces of blood and soil or forces that just because they're strong They think they can absolutely force their way without taking account of dissent and compromise. When in hours of threat we can remember We are sacred souls before that bar of history, before that before the law And it's the Declaration in the Constitution. that are the credentials of liberty You know, John, we're in a moment where it feels sometimes as though there's a great battle that we're in the midst of between pro democracy movement of multir racial democracy that claims to be the inheritor of what the foundounding fathers have given us of this great tradition. And then there are others, and you mentioned blood and soil, who want to limit what that means and the definition of what it means to be American. I I guess I wonder who you think actually is the inheritor of this American tradition and how we should think about the radicalism of the founding fathers in this moment unquestionably imperfect men But they gave us the means, as it says on the wall of the National Constitution Center to give us a more perfect union I think that should give us hope, by the way, that imperfect people can push us toward more perfect outcomes Be I don't know about you all, but I feel awfully imperfect most of the time. And so that gives me that gives me hope You know, we talk about directly to your point We talk about this as the two hundred fiftieth anniversary, which it is of the Second Continental Congress passing the Declaration of Independence fully beginning the revolutionary War, which ultimately leads in seventeen eighty seven through seventeen eighty nine the framing of the Constitution, the inauguration of George Washington and the beginning of what we would see as a recognizable experiment in self government. Except that a lot of people weren't included in that And in that important sentence about all men being created equal, men had a very particular application in that era It is a very there's a very good case to be made, I think that we were really founded in nineteen sixty five that that's when a multiracial, multiethnic democracy came more fully into being with the Immigration and Nationality Act, with the Voting rightights Act. And so we're really about sixty years old We're a developing demon. ocracy in a lot of ways that doesn't mean that the principles that were enshrined out into the world in the phrases and the reality for for so much of our history It doesn't mean those principles should not be honored But let's remember that we have to honor them by following them We can't just preach. we have to practice Well said, those founding documents, ideals and aspirations that we're still working on. Pidential historian Our good friend John Meetam in his natural habitat at the National Constitution Center in Philadelphia. John, happy fourth. Al great to see you, my friend. Thank you, Willie. Staying in Pennsylvania, where the state's Democratic goovernor Josh Shapiro has a message for Independence Day, one he's sharing with us first here on Morning Joe On this, the two hundred fiftieth july fourth of our independence, let us each ask ourselves what will we do to meet our uniquely American responsibility birthplace of our democracy and with a rising sun ahead on behalf of all of us in Pennsylvania, ready to protect our freedom, Happy Independence Day. That's just a portion of that video. Governor Shapiro joins us now, Governor. goodood morning. Thanks for joining us ahead of this momentous week for you, certainly in the state of Pennsylvania, which is John Meacham in Philadelphia. It has to be a sort of a humbling moment for you to be the man who's in the governor's chair on this moment two hundred and fifty years later deeply humbling, and speaking of chairs, that chair behind me in the video was the chair that George Washington sat in. a chair that Ben Franklin, one of our founders who, by the way, only a handful of folks who signed both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, a chair that Franklin was fixated on. He was watching as the founders deliberated and at the conclusion of the deliberations, he noticed that half son on the chair that he was wondering Was it a setting son or was it a rising sun? And he stood up and he told those delegates that He knew now that it was a rising sun. I think that speaks to the optimism that this country was founded on. the hopefulness that I still share today, even with all the challenges that we face. And I think Franklin, who Barnacle, by the way, big seventy sixers fan hated the Celtics, but it was that wow spirit It was that spirit that I think Franklin then infused. into this nation that we've carried with us for the last two and a half centuries Governor, we don't have time to talk about one of your principal assets, Kyle Schwarber, but I do want to ask you about the phrase to thirty. Yeah. Yeah. the phrase used in the clip that we just showed in the phrase that you just employed, a rising sun ahead of us So that hopefully is for all Americans that will occur. And yet there are clouds hovering around that sun right now. Temporary status has been removed for Hundreds of thousands of people, there are people who you know, who we all know, who work hard every day. They can't afford to go to the grocery store and then the gas station. they have to make a pick one or the other. What do we do about getting this country more settled than it is now I mean, there's no question that people are hurting because of the chaos, the cruelty, the corruption. of Donald Trump that is infecting everything that is impacting lives is hurting people in my state and across the country In many ways, though, our story in America has been our ability to overcome adversity. This isn't the first time our nation has faced adversity. But what we've done in every chapter of our American story is despite the challenges, we've ended that chapter on a more hopeful note with more freedom, more opportunity, more justice, more equity I know it doesn't feel that way right now, but we are in the midst of writing that chapter and it will be up to the American people, less people with titles next to their name, more ordinary Americans doing what Franklin said to that woman outside Independence Hll that meets referennce, defending our repepublic, keeping our republic. The work falls to all of us. That's why we need a national referendum this November on Donald Trump's chaos and cruelty and corruption. We need people to rise up and vote and be a check on this president and begin to see our way out of this darkness Towward more light, toward more sun Governor, yesterday, despite Supreme Court's upholding of birthright citizenship, It appears that the court is just one vote away. It was a five to four decision specifically on whether the fourteenth Amendment enshrined those rights. We now have folks like Vice President JD Vance coming out and saying, hey, this isn't over. This is just hanging by a threred birthright citizenship. It's clear that this conservative movement is planning on continuing this fight. What do you believe Democrats should do if they do regain the majority? Do you think that expanding the court or setting term limits for the court should be on the table I think everything needs to be on the table. I think we need radical reform that's actually going to ensure that the voices of the people are heard from, that the voices of the people are represented in the three branches of government. We don't have that right now. You know, the framers were incredibly concerned, Madison in particular, about an executive accumulating too much power. We've seen that because this Supreme Court, in one of its worst decisions over the last century, gave a president absolute immunity because a Congress of the United States has withdrawn from its responsibilities to be a check. the executive. We can begin to change that by voting. And after we vote, I think we need dramatic reform to give the voice back to the people. As for the decision yesterday, I mean, it is as clear as day in the fourteenth Amendment. This case should have taken a nanosecond to decide. and it should have been nine nothing. I gather some of the justices were intimidated by Donald Trump sitting there in the court, staring at them, glaring at them during that decision And then JD. Vance comes along and says the quiet part out loud. It's one of the reasons why we have to win the United States Senate and not let them appoint A justice should there be a vacancy who would be younger who would be there for a long time and be more dangerous when it comes to eviscerating the rights of Americans. So bottom line here is we need real reform in this country. It's got to be people centered and people powered. And it's got to come as a result of people rising up, showing up at the ballot box, demanding more from their elected officials usherhing in a new chapter in this country, one that gets us back to our roots of being more hopeful, more inclusive, and more just Governor speaking of the ballot box, a lot of Democrats look to you as a leader of the party, not just in Pennsylvania but nationally. I'm curious what you make of the some of the results in these elections over the last few weeks. First in New York, where Democratic socialists, some with very extreme views were elected. And then again last night, a twenty nine year old Democratic socialist Mela Kiros upending a fifteen term Cgresswoman What is your read? Are those races specific to those districts Or is there something else happening in the Democratic Party, whether it's a rejection of older candidates, young blood or just a new view of the world in dememocratic socialism for Democrats Yeah, well, well, first off, I got to give a shout out to my good friend, Phil Weiser, who I endorsed in that race in Colorado, Cn't be more proud of him, excited, you know, we served together as attorneys general stood up to the president's lawlessness and I know he's going to get a lot of stuff done as governor of Colorado I think as for the broader message, and we've seen this now in multiple states. I don't want to personalize this about any particular candidate, but what is clear as a through line is that there is real passion in the electorate. Part of that passion is just a desire to do what I said a moment ago, elect people who can be a check on Donald Trump's chaos and cruelty and corruption But I think what you're also seeing is a lot of pain. A lot of pain inflicted by this president and his enablers, ripping away healthca here in Pennsylvania from a half a million people, ripping away food assistance. H in Pennsylvania, one hundred forty thousand of our neighbors do not have access to food assistance becausecause Donald Trump and his enablers chose to give a tax cut to the people at the very top who didn't need it and pay for it with food assistance and with health carere. I think you're seeing pain with rising costs at the pump because of the president's wrongful war of choice in the Middle East. that he didn't know why he went in and he sure as hell doesn't know how to get out safely. And so I think you're seeing a lot of pain and folks are channeling that into purpose. I think what is incumbent now upon any elected leader is to do what we do here in Pennsylvania, deliver results because I think a lot of the frustration, a lot of the pain that people feel, a lot of the passion that they feel to show up is They want to see things change. They want to see real results, the kind of results we deliver on here in Pennsylvania by bringing people together to get stuff done. And so that's what I'm seeing across the country. and that's the excitement and the passion and the real pain that I think people are speaking with when they go vote Do you worry, though, goovernor about some of these candidates and these high profile races in New York and now in Colorado will be elevated as representative of Democrats nationally with some of their extreme views I mean, look here in Pennsylvania, folks know what Pragmatism results and getting stuff done looks like because they see me, they see other Democrats who are doing that in our commommonwealth. Look, I want to work with anyone to get stuff done. Republican, Democrat, but where I disagree with folks, I'm going stand up and I'm going to speak to that. D of that. Look, I think some of the views I've seen express say, for example, on public safety at won. people who want open borders and no prisons and no police, they're wrong. and we'll have a debate about that. But then there's other areas where I think we're going to find opportunities to all work together to move this country forward Democraticoveror Josh Sapiro of Pennsylvania, you've got a busy week ahead of this two hundred fiftieth anniversary of this country. Thanks for being with us. We really appreciate it Thank you guys And New York Times opinion writer, Mara Gay, always great to have you at the table as well. Thanks, Mara. Thanks for having. Coming up, we'll take a turn to this putting bed bugs in the same teas with Dolly Parton. I refuse to do that. And the founding fathers This is blasphemy Well, they're all part of the brand new brand up brand down. Donnie Doyd just gonna attempt to explain. Don't put Dolly in with the bed bugs. We give Dolly a big brand up. We'll be right back. ONDeck is built to back small businesses, like yours. 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For ad free listening to all of your favorite shows, subscribe to MS Now Premium on Apple Podcasts Beach weekend coming up the fourth of July. It's time for new edition of Brand Up Brand Down with the great Donie Deutch. Did you see how fast Margay ran out? I mean that we were doing it. She did not want to get stained with the dust of Brand up Brand downown. She was out of the chair before we hit that ring. She was out the door. I saw her go. All right, let's start up naturally in this fourth of July weekend coming up the F founding fathers brand up. Well, the founding fathers always get a brand up, but we get a brand down as a result of this. A new Galluop post shows that they do a study that what would Would the founding fathers be proud of us today? eightighty percent of Americans think they would not. They basically they would be very unhappy. The guys that signed Declaration of Independence, if they look at where this country is now, if they look at how we performed, that they'd be really, really unhappy with it. It's actually more more Democrats than Republicans. It's just it really kind of says where we are right now. Yeah. I mean, placing all this power in one man was sort of the point of revolution G getting rid of that idea. Yeah. Fireworks, Brand down. What's going on? Yeah, Brandown for both awful, awful. doogs and also for our beloved vets. they both having problems with. One in five dogs run away during fireworks seasons during july fourth because of the noise they get. And a lot of people a lot of people just are basically saying, we won't have fireworks in our town. They're going to do LED light things Um The emergency rooms in VA hospitals and psychiatric rooms get double the traffic they do with vets during they get PTST, you know the noise and so I think fireworks are just stupid Kids get hurt every year. I think maybe professional shows are one thing, but the idiots lighting off terry bombs in neighborhoods it is just a big brand down. Youott to get your dog one of those thunder vests. I. I get that. the idiots that you just mentioned, but fireworks are No no I' talking about loal fire. Yeah. firewor bottle rocket Yeah Yeah, you know that All right. Larry David perpetual brand up, specifically now. Larry David gets a life this is the first lifelong brand upp given for anybody at Hall of Fame. Yes. He's got a new show The Pursuit of Unhappiness. It's seven episodes. It's produced by Michelle and Barack Obama. Obama actually makes an appearance. and he goes back to historical things like the Wright Brothers that you're seeing on screen now or Rosa Parks or Or Lincoln on the way to theater and he does his petty bits the way he does and everything. You got John Hamm showing up, you got Jerry Seinfeld showing up. Youve got my friend Suie Ysman showing up. and it's supposed to be a hsterical. NPR said it's hilarious. It's on HBO. and just premiered this past Friday. But as I said, a lifelong entrance into the brand up Paul f. I love to in the Wright Brothers, he's already complaining about being in a middle scens at theright Both Yeah. That's Larry. I mean he's writing character. Repo man. down. Well perfect. We're not going to sayve it for the Ro men themselves, but what's happening is a brand down. one point seven trillion dollars in auto debt on the market. the most it's been a deepression These are the things you got to look at to really see where the economy is going. The average person the average car person payment is seven hundred forty four dollars a month. That's a lot. Wow. A lot of people are paying over one thousand dollars a month. And here's the other thing that's a tell. twenty fifteen twenty seventeen, there were thirty six cars you could buy for under twenty five thousand dollars. Now there're only four So people are going over their heads, they're getting ahead of their skis That's why the Weepo Man is doing so well. seven hundred seventy three a month is the aver average That was like the most. That was if you a Mercedes now it's crazy. crazy It's crazy. All Brand up to philosophy majors. This is interesting. The big joke used to be big where of the philosophy majors, the big joke used to be A your kids going on philosophy majors? That's no That actually has more value today according to the economist than a computer science major. And here's why. the AR companies are hiring a lot of philosophy people to put it into their research, to see what the ethics are, how to do things. So these kind of soft things versus engineers versus computer science AI is bringing back. It's a tremendous irony. so kids go get your philosophy education. Wow. So here's a weird oned. bed bugs get a brand down, which is obvious. Yes. Has they ever gotten a brand up You know, you know, that's a good point. Brand bugs going Brand bugs going to the Hall of Fame on the brand down, obviously. But during the summer, they come back and here are the cities with the most brand bugs are Josh Sapiro, our friend unfortunately, Philadelphia, number one, number two, New York, number three, Cleveland Akron. And what happens is there's more travel during the summer. That's what it happens. And it's even four star hotels What happens is they jump onto your luggs, they jump onto your clothes, way to prevent it when you get home. putut all your clothes in a dryer for thirty minutes, super high. But as I said, bed buugs, no Bueno. Yeah, they should always be a brand down. You know, we put Larry in the lifetime brand up. I think he got another one here.. Dolly Parton. Dolly Parton. Dolly Parton truck Tennessee trruck stops kind of a new franchise that's coming's basically Labyrate truck stops that have showers for for the truckers that have barbecue that have live music. They're going to put them all over the country. She's got an empire. She's got fragrances. She's got clothing lines. She's obviously got Dollywood She's eighty years old. she's probably worth about six hundred million dollars. She's going to go down as one of the most beloved entertainers of all time She uimately All that's good about who we are is locked up in Dela. incredibly generous to with all of her success. Generous human being. Yeah. emmpty shell marriages. First of all, what are they? And why are they brand down? Another you could call a brandown for gray divorce. It's basically a lot of people used to stay together for the kids and even when the kids left they would stay Now because of women having more financial independence and because people living al, there's two times as many marriages for people divorces and people over fifty when the kids leave than there had been previously. The number one group on dating app are over fifty people, over fifty age, over fifty years of age. That's incredible when you really think about it. They're going, what are we doing here? Let's? Well that's good. There's more options. Yeah You saw parents who were miserable. We grew up I not saying my parents were beautifully happily married A lot of people stay together because you just stayed together and they didn't have the options. Now people have options. Even after the kids. All right. this is after the kids. We gott to end with Beverage I've loved for years. I'm so happy to see its brand up. Mister Pibb in kind of in the