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All right, live pictures from Ankara, Turkey of Air Force O touching down President Trump will be arriving in Turkey for the NATO summit and there is preparations for his arrival happening right now. We'll be watching those pictures as we welcome you back to the second hour of Morning Joe on this Tuesday, july seventh Jonathan Lemire and Richard Husass are still with us and douring the conversation, we have MS Now contontributor Elise Jordan with us. We have a lot to get to as it pertains to the NATO summit We'll be watching the welcoming ceremony as it happens on the Tarmac in Turkey, but here at home. Maine Democratic Senator Senate candidate Graham Platner, facing calls to drop out of the race after a woman accused him of sexually assaulting her which He denies. MS now's Brit Miller has the details Graham Platner, Maine's embattled Senate Democratic nominee, facing fresh allegations of sexual assault, now threatening the future of his campaign. MS now does not identify victims of alleged sexual crimes unless they come forward publicly. But his accuser, forty one year old Jenny Rasicott, telling multiple outlets She dated Platner on and off for two years, alleging in twenty twenty one, he showed up at her home uninvited and drunk, forcing himself onto her. She details those painful claims on CNN. I remember specifically him like grabbing at my chest and I like hit his hand and I said, don't touch me. I remember that during the obscervation Did Grahndpllanner rape you By definition, yes Absolutely. In an effort to verify her claims, political reports they spoke to someone Rasakot dated and confided in while reviewing documents like emails with Rasakot's therapist and messages from Rasakot to an acquaintance warning them about Platner before he ran for office. Rasakot argues her revelation isn't politically motivated adding she was torn between supporting Platner's politics and him as a person That was actually one of the huge reasons that I didn't come forward and still struggled like that was a huge moral conflict. I like the things that he speaks about. They're important. They're important to people. I'm one of those people. Blatner releasing a video strongly denying the new allegations. I wanted to directly address the troubling, serious, and false allegations against me Any accusation of nonconsensual behavior is categorically false So Regardless of the inaccuracy of the reporting but mindful to political reality it won't flict We are taking the time to reflect on the best path forward The progressive Democrat is hoping to unseat Republican Senator Susan Collins, but some party heavyweights are already scrapping their support for the Marine veteran, including Platner's strongest allies. Representative Roan is saying, quote, Platner should drop out from the race, and Senator Ruben Gallgo calling the allegations troubling and deeply serious. But these new accusations add another thread to Platner's web of controversies, including alleged abuse towards women, a Nazi linked tattoo which he has since had covered, vulgar comments online, and a sexting scandal early on in his marriage. Planter has confirmed those behaviors, but denies being physical towards women. Just last month, MSN's Chris Hayes questioned Platner about any other past transgressions coming to light. this I guess people have to take you at your word that that's true and that there's nothing else. Is that what you are saying Yes, Oh of course. And Senate mininority Leader Chuck Schumer says the party's senate campaign arm won't invest in this race if Platinner doesn't withdraw. He has until Monday to decide otherwise his name Stays on the ballot to you MS how as Brit Miller with that report, Mika also a few weeks ago, repeatedly pressed Grah Platin on that very question of whether there was more coming He said, no, nothing that he was worried about. Let's bring in MS. now. Congressional reporter Kevin Fry, he joins us live from Port, Main Kev. good mor. So Britt tick through some of the support that has evaporated just in the last few hours, importantortly from the main Democratic Party and nationally from the Democratic Senatorial campaign Committee. That's Chuck Schumer and Kirsten Gillibrand, the two senators from New York. How is this playing so far though, among voters? We've been talking this morning about how resilient through all of these scandals and controversies Platner has been This one though, given the level of detail and the accusation feels different Yeah, I mean, and this is kind of what the worst fear that not only Democratic operatives here in Maine, but also some of the voters that I talked to just a few weeks ago when we were here on the ground ahead of primary day, when the latest batch of allegations against Platinner first surfaced, that being the sexting scandal at the time, at the time, I asked multiple voters, okay, So is there a red line? Is there a line where you're no longer willing to forgive and forget and argue that this is a man who has changed his life and is willing and moving forward And they were never able to really spell that out for me at the time. One woman went so far as to say basically, look, you're voting for a candidate. You're not looking to marry him or date him I was texting with one of those folks that I spoke with the last time I was here last night and basically asking, does this change the paradigm at all for you when it comes to whether you would back him? And she basically said Obviously, these new allegations are troubling. She hadn't had a chance to read through all of them, but she argued that look, she has to determine whether or not these are, in her words, legitate accusations are part of the party basically trying to remove him. Read into that as what you will. As we talk to voters today, that's going to be really kind of the main question I have though is Have we now breached the point of no return, obviously that has happened with the Democrats across the country. The idea that the DSCC, Schumer, and Gillibrand are not going to be introducing funding to help here in Maine. Obviously, this is one of their prime targets, One of the main pickup opportunities they need to secure in order to win back control of the US Senate That is rather telling. The other thing that was notable last night is you saw the Democrats in a lot of those competitive Senate races across the country in Texas, Ohio, North Carolina all coming out and saying it is time for Platinner to go. So that's some of the tea leaves that at least were're reading as of last night So Kevin, Platner does have a few days to make up his mind. Some people think it may come much sooner than that if he does decide, in fact to step aside. The main Democratic partarty already has been talking about and thinking about certainly what comes next, a scramble that would give them a couple of weeks to put somebody else on the ballot. Are you starting to hear about those sort of contingency plans Yeah, so essentially, our understanding of the timeline goes something like this, which is Monday is the key day by which Platner either needs to step aside or not and determine whether or not he remains on the ballot. The easiest option for Democrats wanting to get a new face and a better chance of beating Susan Collins is for him to go away by then. And then essentially the party has about two weeks to come up with an alternative, whether that be through a meeting, a sort of caucus, whether that be the party big heads and individuals come together and come up with an alternative name. Already, we're seeing lots of names being batted around, be it failed gubernatorial candidates who may have done somewhat well in the gubernatorial election here just a few weeks ago but didn't actually secure the Democratic nomination We're hearing about actors like Patrick Dempsey, various names are being floated around. The question is can they rally around someone? We know part of the friction here though is certainly that obviously Platinner was a very outspoken progressive who was more than willing to bat against the party establishment in Washington, including Schumer Do the voters here want someone who also fits in that vein, but maybe doesn't have that amount of baggage? That's going to be one of the things that I think the party leaders are going to now have to be kind of grappling with as you say some reporting that Platinner, if he does leave would like a say in who takes this campaign from him. Congrressional reporter for MS now, Kevin Frery reporting for us from Portland, Maine. Kevin, thanks. we appreciate it. Elise catalog over the last several months, all the accusations, the Nazi tattoo, all the things, the past statements on social media that he has made, and maine voters have been willing to live with it for the most part. And it's fascinating to hear Kevin's reporting, you can kind of apply what some voters are saying about Platner to what they said Republicans about Trump over the years, which is We're electing a president, not a saint. In this case, we're electing a senator, We don't have to marry him, all that stre trying to get themselves to a place where they can stay with him. But do you think it's different this time? This has been a slow motion train wreck. I do think it's different from Trump just because he had that very developed public persona of he was who he was and that was his famous brand and voters wanted something like that here. They thought that they were getting a vet. He might be rough around the edges, have PTSD, which granted PTSD does not cause you to do the things that Graham Platner has repeatedly said used as his excuse. But that said, he has had so many problems over theseese last six seven months has it been the year that he's entered the race, that you just can't look beyond it. like this guy clearly is a ticking time bomb. and what else is there to come even? There This is horrible, a breaking and entering and rape allegation. and there previously before was also a very credible accuser who frankly did not get the attention that she deserved or treated with the respect she deserved for her allegations. Lindsey Fiffield All right, so let's take this conversation abroad. Joining us now from Ankara Turkey is the ranking member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Democratic Senator Jean Chahin of New Hampshire. She's also co chair of the bipartisan US Senate NATO Observer Group. and we have a lot to talk with you about as it pertains to NATO and the summit happening there right now But I would like to ask you to weigh in on this latest news that broke in the past twenty four hours, Senator, and that's the accusation of rape made against Senate candidate Graham Platner To be clear, an accusation made in the media, not in the court of law, what is your take on what should happen Should he step down due to this accusation Good morning. And yes, I think you should step down. It's time And the sooner, the better Have you been moved by this latest accusation or all along, have you been concerned about this candidate There are a number of issues that have surfaced with respect to Mr. Platner And I think taken together, it means that The Democrats need to look for another candidate. And are you at all concerned about the timing of this accusation in terms of just fairness in politics and due process? And do you feel that an accusation should take down a candidate? Or is a bigger picture that you're talking about here? Senator again, I think if you take the issues broadly It's more than just this one accusation, although certainly it sounds very serious So again, I think for the good of the seat for the good of the Democratic party Mr. Platner should get out of the race Okay, turning now to what you're there for, the NATO summit. Tell us what you're hoping. There's a number of issues at stake here, especially defense of Ukraine. What are you hoping comes out of the NATO summit? What are you hoping to hear from the president and the connection he has with other members there? Well, this is an opportunity to take stock of where NATO is in terms of its spending and its to be able to address adversaries, primarily Vladimir Putin and Russia at this point because of the war in Ukraine. And it's a good news story with respect to spending. All thirty two NATO allies are at two percent of GDP, which was the threshold that has been set Now, the goal is to get to five percent of GDP and There are a number of nations that are well on their way. seven at this point are over three percent And we know that between twenty twenty four and twenty twenty five. Spending by NATO allies went up by twenty percent So that's good news. Now, obviously, there are some differences of opinion that need to be addressed. And I hope that there's going to be a very strong statement of support and strong work for Ukraine coming out of this summit I had the opportunity to go with the bipartisan bicameral delegation that's here from Congress We were in Weiesbad, Germany yesterday. We had a chance to be briefed by both by Commander Buzzard, who's been working with Ukraine, the defense Ukraine defefense group. and General Donoghue, who is the head of the NATO operations here in Europe right now And we saw the very good work that's going on in support of NATO And I hope that that's going to continue as the result of this summit becausecause the most important message coming out of Opera is for our adversaries to understand that the NATO Allies are united that We are working together. we are working to address threats and The only the only countries, the only leaders who benefit. by a message coming out of this summit that the NATO allies are divided. are Vladimir Putin and Russia President Xi and China th Korea and Iran. So it's very important for us to point out that any differences we have are being worked out and we are the strongest security alliance in history Senator, as you've been speaking, we've watched President Trump descend the steps of Air Force O, that new one, the gift from the Qataris. and greeted at the bottom of the staircase by President Erdogan of Turkey, a very friendly greeting there before he moves in for these talks. You have been an advocate through these last several years, especially when relationship with NATO has been so under strained, an advocate for these strong ties with our European allies, for funding of Ukraine. Is that a message that you think Donald Trump, the president of the United States. will come around to, as he sees, perhaps, Russia not faring as well, not looking as strong as it once did. Do you believe that the relationship with NATO one can be repaired? and number two, that Ukraine will get the support it needs to ultimately either end the war or get a deal that is agreeable to that country? Well, I think it's positive that President Trump is here Obviously he will be part of any discussions that come out of the summit And it comes on the heels of the G seven where the communique coming out of that conference of strong Western Allies was the support for Ukraine and President Trump signed that state So it is in the interest of the Tratlantic Alliance of the United States, of democracies everywhere to see Ukraine successful. And what we know is that momentum has turned and that Ukraine is doing well. Russia is experiencing casualties of over thirty thousand. H mon and they have lost territory in the last couple of months that they had taken from Ukraine. Their economy is in dire straits Ukraine last night just hit target an oil target. thousand kilometers into Russia So This war has shifted Ay Putin should come to the negotiating table. He should understand that he is losing The best thing he can do is get to the negotiating table and strike a deal All right, Senator we know you've got to get inside some of those meetings. ranking member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, Democratic Senator, Jean Saheen of New York, joining us live this morning from Turkey. Thank you of New Hampshire, exxcuse me. Thank you for joining us this morning. We appreciate it Richard, we're watching these images What do you see first in that warm greeting with President Erdogwan? and then what do you expect to happen when they step inside the room with some allies that President Trump has spent the last several years in took the last few months trashing last few days over FIFA H. Ernoan has emerged as a critical figure both in Europe, but also in the Middle East. The Israelis, by the way, are extremely uncomfortable bullets about Turkey's role On the other hand, there's the question of whether we are going to provide some of our best aircraft to Turkey, the F thirty five s, which Erogan clearly wants as a symbol as well as for the military capability. I think the President is inclined to do that. It'd be another sign that the U.S Israeli relationship we're not exactly on the same page. You know, beyond Turkey, though, it's all the issues you just heard about, which is How do you reassure the Europeans? when quite honestly, there are questions Let's if you blunt, Willy. If tomorrow, the Russians did something in Estonia or Latfia None of us could sit here and tell a European leader, one hundred percent the United States has your back for an alliance that is about as corrosive As you get, there's got to be a kind of automaticity about an alliance That is no longer there. It suddenly become conditional Then sure, there's all the other issues, the president'. Unhappy. I think what the Europeans ought to do is have is made good on some kind of a proposal to do something in the strait of Hormuz U if conditions allow, it just to begin to put the war behind us. I think that would be helpful. They've got to get serious about European defense efforts. It doesn't make sense for every there's thirty two members of NATO. thirty one of them to essentially have national defense programs. They're not sufficiently integrated. so the whole is less than the sum of its parts. There's lots of things the Europeans should do other than just spend more. they should spend smart. They've got to build a European defense industry. We don't have one that's adequate. they don't have one that's adequate. So actually it ought to be a really rich agenda about what to do about Russia, what to do about Ukraine, Europe, in the Middle East. We'll see if we can get past the acrimony. mean, I think most member States in the Alliance would say these two men right here are the biggest strains on NATO. Erdogwanans tested the boundaries of before And of course, Trump has called into question repeatedly. And I think Richard's point is right about what's on what's on the agenda, but I also think another topic that's probably going to come up in some way. Is Greenland? Like the White House officials in recent weeks have started ramping up the Greenland talk again, saying that they, you know, not less so about a military intervention, but the ability to purchase it or acquire or have more influence there. And in the last Davos, when this that issue seemed to be coming to a head, a real crisis, some you know vague agreement was made to give the US more access to things, but that's not enough for Trump and his team. They've made that clear And again, Greenland is part of a NATO member. And if there was real pressure on that An alliance is already weak could pentially could split apart in entire. We're still talking about Greenland. We'll see if that hits the agenda. Richard Has, thank you as always. We appreciate it. Still ahead on morning, Joe. We'll dig into yesterday's very disappointing end of the World Cup For the United States team as well as for one soccer legend. Roger Bennett joins us with his takeaways straight ahead on morning Joe All I did, all I did I asked for a review because I didn't think it was a foul. I think it would have had a big stain And I related just that feel. I didn't tell him what to do. I can't tell him what to do, but and I don't believe he made the decision. I think it was a committee that made the decision. And they made the right decision President Trump, yesterday, speaking to reporters ahead of a highly anticipated and controversial match for the U.S. men's national team. The pre game spotlight. Senate on FIFA overturning the suspension of Filarn Baligan making him eligible to play after a call from President Trump But once the match kicked off It was all Belgium. Didn't matter who was on the field for the United States Charles DiQetare scored twice. and although Balik Tillman briefly equalized with a deflected free kick, Belgium answered less than a minute later. even and then we weren't after a costly giveaway My goalkeeper Matt Freeze had a tough day led to Hans Vanakin's goal Ramalu Lukaku added another in stoppage time That was the well, not with the dagger came earlier, but that was just a little salt in the wound. Belgium advancing with a for one victor of the United States. The loss marks the fourth time in the last five World Cups, Americans have been eliminated in the round of sixteen. Let's bring in the founder of the Men and Blazers Media network, the great Roger Bennett. He's author of the new book, We are the World Cup. personal history of the world's greatest sporting event. Rog, great to see you. It is the world's greatest sporting event. It has been so much fun even for the non soccer fan just to watch and drink in and absorb and enjoy But last night, Rog, deeply disappointing effort by the United States. They played pretty well through the tournament just didn't look like they were up to the task yesterday Really, it is so hard to watch that footage It's too soon. That was one of the greatest The whole game, the whole past forty eight hours have been One of the greatest own goals in American footballing history, this team was young. this team was athletic This team was capable of playing swaggy kind of like An one basketball football in wonder we were able to take on the world. We felt You know, the motto of this team was why not us? And at the end of this after twenty four hours of quite unprecedented fusing with geopolitics to watch that team just disintegrate under the pressure of the gay of the moment um, of the, you know, the nation watching and the whole U, you know, intrigue that have occurred politically in the past for year hours to disappear without traasation instead of, why not us It was just like, why never us? Why can we never go on a run? Why can we never get past the round of sixteen? Why do we self sabotage to this extent, which this was? It's really someone that cares about the growth of the game in this nation, about this worldorld Cup, about This team showing that it can prove itself to itself Last night was was a human agony So Rog, obviously Belgium is the better team. They showed that on the field yesterday. maybe we knew that going in. But there was another element to it. The United States team looked hesitant, making uncharacteristic mistakes. They kind of that first goal Three or four of them stood around and said, Are you going to get it? Are you going to get it? And the next thing they knew the ball was in the back of the net. There was something about not just that maybe Belgium was better, but the way the U. S played that was disappointing as well They're a ghost team, Willie I was in Seattle for the last game against Australia. We faced Paraguay in the first game Destroyed this team. This is a paraguay that ended up being quite you know showing they were a middleweight team that could be eliminated Germany, could play with a true ferocity. We annihilated them. then we went to Seattle. know a crowd, a home crowd that believed so much I marched to the match with fifteen thousand fans. there was an aullance. The nation was behind us We saw celebrations from Sea to Shining Sea. Marshan Lynch led the fans with me to the game and he said that when the Seattle Stadium is really there It can make a noise that can hit the Richor scale in terms of it sounding like an earthquake. I heard that earthquake and it felt like everything was possible. At the end of that game We beat Australia two nowail exquisite football Um The team walked up to the fans and every team in this World Cup gets to sing a song gets to choose a song. The English team sing Wonder Wall song that bizarrely makes grown men cry. and a moment of victory in football, the US song the US team sings countountry Rads by John Denver It was beautiful. The harmony between the players sobbing The fans, we couldn't believe what we were saying. Every felt possible And what we didn't know in that moment was that was ulimately the high point. That's the lesson of this thing. We all know what happened afterwards, the intervention, the kind of buckling of the rules Um, you know, playing a striker. who should have been banned, you know and the intervention, the changing and the rules. It was almost like we muddled with karma. So ultimately that's it You have a high point in life, you don't know when it's going to be. Ultimately, I do feel this team was talented, this team was young. this team was athletic, this team was capable. This team did believe and we almost undid ourselves And it feels very raw, feels like a march of folly. feels like really a moment of self destruction Yeah. I mean, Roger, I wrote a piece for the Atlantic this morning, noting that for many people, the America two hundred and fifty celebrations were underwhelming. They were too politicized, too polarized to Trump But the World Cup had become thisort like a surprising source of patriotism. like Americans rallied around this team and that the rest of the world came to the U.S and fell in love with the country again. We We've all followed the stories of how Applebeess has become our best soft power because you know these European tourists can't believe these appetizers they can get. doesn't that has not changed theld Cup is still a success in that way. But for the U. S men's soccer team, I think you're right. We to be clear eyed This is a disappointment to fall out like this home to get embarrassed at this stage. So where does the team? where does the program from here, you know, heading into the next World Cup four years from now Look I love what you've said. It really is beautiful. And listening to it, there is an element with this football team that really hurts and very hard questions that have to be asked. Why is it U Number one, that our women can step up, kick ass, take names, win things. Why is it that we can put a man on the? We are a nation of three hundred thirty million people. We win things The nation loves teams a win we love a dream team. We love Charles Barkley Beating the Angolans by seventy points and still dunking on some hapless defender and elbowing him in the side of the head. When I watched that as a kid, I like, what is that? And I was, That's America. And this USTam needs to aspire to be like that. We are not like that. It's one of the greatest, honestly, the greatest, most perplexing realities in sports. But what you've also said, there is a truth and a beauty. Here's what's the frustration for me. This World Cup has been humanely beautiful. We've talked about it, you know the Scottish fans taking over Boston, Boston fleetingly becoming the capital of Boston. the Dutch fans bouncing through the hearts of Kansas City, the Argentinian fans going into Jerry World, making it seem like it's in Buenosareres, you know Lawrence Kansas falling in love with the Algerian football team. These are all totems of hope as fans across the world go to buuckies and have their minds blow and my nugs. It's been exquisite. America being loved again in this moment, we needed this. and America for me, falling in love with football. and here's a thing that's great Is it today in Atlanta, Leonel Messy is about to take the field at the Mercedes Benz. He's playing Mo Sala, the Egyptian king, one of the greatest footballers ever to come out of Africa. This is still the worldorld Cup of Mba, of Erling Haran, the giant Viking, Shiquilo Nailing Cleates, of Leonel Messi performing casual quasi religious activities with the world watching. The frustration for me When this World Cup is remembered U you know, in twenty years time, the US men will barely be a blip in it. They'll remember Argentina, they remember maybe England, Harry Kaye. they remember the heroic Cape Verd goalkeeper who came out of nowhere to charm the world but the U.S will not be in it. And the reason they're not in it is that they strapped on a pair of wax wings and headed straight for the sun. We should be in it. We should have gone deeper We should have been able to make the world and we should have been able to make the nation believe. And the reason we didn't today is because of our own hand. and I think that's what really hurts this donpe. Especially in our own backyard. It would have been pure magic to have them even into the quarterfinals. been talking about them for another week. So you mentioned Messi today. canannot wait to watch that game against Sala and Egypt. The other game yesterday at another soccer icon Perhaps playing likely he says now, his final World Cup match. Christiano Ronaldo hisis career in the cup came to a close, Portugal losing one nill to Spain. So R Let's put that in perspective. forty one years old, I believe, Ronaldo is at this point. He was in tears at the end of the game Uh, How do you mark his World Cup career If this was an agony, they got beaten by Spain in the Iberian haam classic there is. It's one of the greatest to ever do it. hisis duality his duel with Messi was really not just in the recent times, just over the past twenty years, his the rivalry kind of like, you know, Michael Jordan and Larry Bird is the game that kind of drove football into the modern period. He is one of the greatest to ever do it You know, Messy looks like he's wandered out of super cuts, just a normal dude You can just perform these kind of like crazy superhero feat. Th mess see Christian I in out there was power arrogant, he looks like a bottle of Dracir, made human flesh. and ultimately Messi excelled late on in his career. The consistency kept on coming. He won the World Cup age thirty five, the World Cup evaded Cristiano Ronaldo and for all of his greatness, He kept chasing it like Captain Aab. chasing a white whale Portugal team were stacked with young talent He carried a lot of political power, he kept playing. he wouldn't be substituted in the final game. And ultimately his obsession with the World Cup, the best thing he could have probably done was watch from the bench come on in moment. It was his desire to be the eye in the team that kind of sunk this Portugal. So there's a bitterseet farewell there But one of the greatest to ever do it almost ended as a morality tale. Football's amazing. It just contains multitude. It's almost biblical what we watched last night to be honest, Willing. Only the great Roger Bennett could get super cuts and Moby Dick into the same thought.ant Raj. As always, as always. H love Willy. Huge love Raj, founder of the Men in Blazers Media Network. The Americans may be gone, but there's still a lot to be excited about. Starting with Messi in Argentina against Egypt a short time from now, where you are In Atlanta, Rod. Thanks so much. We appreciate it. Thank it up next. The Justice Department reportedly is sending election monitors to three cities in Michigan for that state's upcoming primaries dig into some new reporting on that when morning Joe comes right back The United States Capitol shrouded in fog at seven hundred forty four on this Tuesday morning, the Justice Department is planning to send election monitors to three cities in the battleground state of Michigan ahead of its August primary votes. The cities of Detroit, East Lanscing, and Lansing, all three Democratic strongholds. Receive letters from the federal agency in recent weeks. Lancing and East Lancing are located in a swing district, which Republican Congressman Tom Barret currently represents now is seeking a second term. One of the letters from the DOJ claimed there were several problems with the twenty twenty four elections in Lansing. They say officials did not use a statewide voter registration list. And there were long lines and lengthy waiting periods, but officials in Lancing say, none of that's true This marks an escalation in the Trump administration's attempts to scrutinize voting in Michigan, which President Trump Long has said is a rigged state without offering any evidence to support that claim. An appeals court has denied the DOJ a copy of Michigan's registered voting list In response to the DOJ, Democratic A atttorney General, Dana Nesle wrote, quote, The courts have been clear time and time again, states run elections, not the federal government. She went on to explain federal monitors are allowed to observe as per law, but that her office stands ready to hold accountable those who attempt to unlawfully interfere with intimidate Michigan election workers. A least, obviously now the presresident has a Department of Justice happy to do his bidding. He says the elections have been stolen from him Over the last several years, they have not been. He wants close eyes on places where Democrats might win. Well, and this is another escalation when Secretary of State Jocelyn She did not and she's running for the Democratic nomination for governors. She wouldn't release those voter rolls. And so this may go as high as the Supreme Court. And the idea, the strategy behind this is to create legal obstacles on the way and to scatter the brains of voters so that they don't know what is actually and what's happening and cast doubt over what's going down in these places. And so we'll see what lands in court during election season and how that plays in publican voter opinion. And the leadership in Michigan, some of what you just mentioned, some of those nams has been notable for its strength and standing its ground around elections against Donald Trump. We'll see what happens here. Still ahead What we're learning about the health of Republican Senator Mitch McConnell amid growing concerns about his ongoing hospitalization. It's been several weeks now We'll be right back with more morning Joe. Welcome back. Every day we interact with hundreds of things we really stop to think about, the cars we drive, the shoes we wear, the tools we use, the spaces we enter What if many of those things were never really designed with everybody in mind In her new book, titled Man Made, How we Designed a Wor that Laves Women out and How we can makeake it rightight Karen Carellis Reuter, a former global creative director at Nike and vice president at Rbok with more than forty years experience in design, examines how the world has been built largely around the male body, and she argues that has left women overlooked with consequences that can range from inconvenient to actually dangerous. and Karen joins us now Also here for this conversation, MS Now contributor, Huma Adeen, She is Vice chair of the Forbes and Know Your Value threety thousand fifty suummit and Elise Jordan is still with us as well. Karen, welcome to the show. It's great to have you. women It's great to have you here. You're right that women and men inhabit the same world It doesn't always suit them equally. And I'd love to hear some examples of designs that most people don't even think about or realize were created simply around the male body Yes, absolutely. So you know, I work on a continuum from insulting to deadly. So you know, in the world of sneakers, you know, insulting is that we design most shoes, most sneakers to the anatomy of a man's foot A man's foot is a rectangle. A woman's foot is a triangle. So oftentimes with shoes that are meant to keep us comfy all day, I find myself wanting to take them off. That's simply insulting And we use a term called shrinket and pink it. Scale something down and color it a stereotypical female color You know, I'll move to dangerous where, you know PPE that women are wearing on construction sites, in firefighting, in police work are not designed for our body and the military It's designed to a male standard, which we continue to measure against And you know, it does go to deeadly and that is crash test dummies and CPR mannequins, for example. Karen, I want to ask you, you spent decades at Reeebok and Nike. When did you first notice that things were being designed for men in mind and that women weren an afterthought You know, I have to say, for many years, I have my head down designing many of these products and using some standards that had been made available to me that were measuring the size of our bodies, not realizing that they had only measured men There was a time where I realized that there were so few of us practicing in the fields that affect the built world, industrial design, product design, architecture, mechanical engineering A long time, I thought it was insulting. and trying to do a better job with that When I realized how dangerous and deadly it was what drove me to do more research. Well, the dangerous aspect is just jaw dropping. When you look at some of the statistics that you pull out, like that women are seventy three more seventy three percent more likely to die in a car accident. So Even with car safety, why wasn't that designed with women in mind So the statistic is seventy three percent more likely to be injured very bad and seventeen percent more likely to die. We are testing In the U.S, we are testing with crash test dummies that are built from a male anatomy. They are shrink and pink at crash test dummies And we do not even test the female version of that crash test dummy in the driver's seat in the US Karen, I want to go back to something you've mentioned shrink it and pink it a few times, and the fact that it's also more expensive for women that we spend on average in a lifetime one hundred eighty thousand dollars more on personal needs for ourselves is the lesson that women should take away from this book. How do How do you think about you know, having each of us know what to ask for when it comes to design, what we need for our personal care, for safety, when we go to have a gynecological exam. How do you talk to creators, designers, inventors who' teaching at Harvard? now? What do you teach your students? Well, for one thing, I teach about the design brief, Ha, when you write a design brief, that's the blueprint for the project And as a designer, you need to look at that with a fine tooth comb You can always Find out who's being left out Who might this harm? And why can't we design a product that is unique fifty percent of them planet. And we can. And we absolutely can. As a designer, I know we can I love it. The new book, out now titled Man Made, How we Designed a worldorld that Laves Women out and how we can make it right. Let's make it right. Karen Carerellis Rereuter, thank you so much for coming on the show this morning We really appreciate what you've said here. and whom Abdeen thanks to you as well. Always great to have you. Coming up on morning, Joe, one of our next guests says Donald Trump has a new and likely Ineffective. favorite word. 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