New Beginnings and Future Projects

Here's his wonky. About to be a little to the left . Mine goes a little to the right . Yeah, cheers, queer . Cheers Mm , that tastes especially good today because we just surpassed a month of being musky trunks . A month of musk. A month of musk feels good. It feels different . I don't know how I feel about it . It doesn't feel like a month though. But in all fairness, we have been filming, I think, longer than a month . But we've just shared for a month. So it does . Don't don't uh , are you a fist away? Make sure you're a fist away. Task me that pillow. My fist away. Please, please. Pass me the pillow please. Please, peep. Please, is a pig's pussy pork. Pass me the pillow, papa. Oh , I'm proud of us. We did it. We talked about it for a long time and we came through. We are podcasters , musky trunks, a lot of questions around the name. Definitely. Do you want to do you want to start there? You want to talk about the name, or should we It's a really riveting conversation. It is a riveting conversation. Rivveting. Embellish a little bit though. Make sure it's a it's a worthwhile st ory to tell. Go ahead, Juke. Why is it on me? You were there. I think I kind of act like the host of the show. This is true And then you keep putting it on me. Because Because it's a good flow for us . No . I think I think it's time that people want to hear you speak . How do we get the name? They don't care if I say anything . They just want you to flex your arms. They do just they want to flex your arms , they just want pits. But I can't flex today because of my hat. Oh, I can't flex today. My hat's too wide. Your Doug Dibadome hat. I honest to God, don't remember how we landed on that name like this. Yeah. You don't like the lumb ard support ? You it makes sense because your car has zero lombard support . Drive two hours in this guy's car and fucking Mario Cart and then you finally get to LA 's like three hours . It was very long. We got a lot of traffic. Muskie Trunks name, how do we get there? Boom, go. We're stoned and I think we were giggling. But we were like looking at names because at first we're like, we take it like how seriously do we take it when we're like really gay stuff, like queer is apart and like things like that. Apart. We were talking about self because I was trying to play off the generation gap. Yeah your you being so much younger than me. Yeah. So queer is apart made sense. I felt that that was good. Yeah, but you didn't hear it. It was just too late. I didn't like it at all. No, I got I understood it, but I was like, well , we're more than just the age difference. We were high, we were giggling, we were laughing, and I don't know how we stumbled upon the name, it just came up Musky Trunks and we were giggling and like little schoolgirls about it and it seemed like a fit.'s what It' its what made us laugh the most. Yeah . At that point, it's like why take it so seriously our intention wasn't to be serious no, it isn't my intention personally is never to be serious. No. A lot of people serious seriously to be. I think a lot of people expect it to be serious and then sometimes we'll read probably like read into what we say or what we do more than just a conversation between a couple of friends that are just chatting. I think people really look at everything so seriously. That's why we made it no. Kind of that's why we enjoy hanging out and talking is like we are serious. Like of course there's serious topics but it's like but seriously seriously you still have we are two people who have a sense of humor about almost anything . Even the most fucked up shit are still gonna , you know , we're still going to laugh about it in some way, but we can still take it serious and you can still laugh. That's how I've lived my life. I've been surrounded by people who have good senses of humor and laugh and enjoy life. You got entjaoy it. Yeah, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that, so no. So thank you whoever sits through our bullshit and enjoys it because we enjoy it and it doesn't feel like bullshit to us. But it's very important work. What we have to say is we are very important. No , and it's more than that. It's like , what is the podcast at the end of the day? It's people you personally enjoy listening to . You want to hear them talk, right? You want to just be a part of whatever conversation they're having. I was saying that to you earlier, and it's probably a stupid analogy, but like people get mad at our podcast, people get angry at us being like, you know, another take fucking band equipment for gay people, which is kind of funny. And like I laugh at that, like not every gay am I laughed what? Oh, people were like, you know, ban you get all that kind of shit ban podcasts. 'Cause I get it. It's over saturated, but at the same time, it's like, is it not just an outlet, a creative outlet like anything else, like any channel or what I said to you is like you go to a bookstore and you're not gonna get mad at the bookstore for offering book . I get mad at restaurants that have menus that are too big, but that's about the extent of it. But having too many that way qu,ality thing out in restaurants too. It's not about quality. Like look at the beanery. Barney's beenery, they have everything that you could wish for . Right? And the quality reflects that. No, the quality is good. Barney's Beenery, who's been there? It's delicious. Is that callers calling in? No, no, no. What's a beep beep? It was like microwaving your food. That was the analysis. It was bad. My whole point being, you go to a library or you go to a fuckin or whatever, you don't get mad at that. You just pick what you like and you enjoy it. Yeah. But I don't like I welcome the discourse. Like I enjoy the comments because it's fun. It's fun to see what people have to say. You don't get bent out of shape at all by them? Well, of course there's like moments when people are like I feel like there's been a few that you've gotten worked up over. I don't really get worked up but it's funny. Like look at it. I'm like really like I get worked up in the way that's like are they just, saying this to fuck with me and get a reaction or is this just like really what they feel? Like the one where they're like their ages are swapped or like that's a rough thing that one got your gut. That was like a rough twenty seven. I was like bit,ch I have a. f ucking beard, okay? I can do both. I'll shave it if you want to grow 'cause they can grow a beard, you know? Exactly. You know, they can't fuck the haters. Fuck them all. They'll never be half the man their mother was. Yeah, I don't like to have a beard. It's like makeup for men. I think your beard looks great. Thank you. Yeah, one time you shaved it, when I first met you, you didn't shave it, but you trimmed it really close. Really short. Really short. And I actually recently came across those phot os and you look weird without it, so you got it . Thank you. Be grateful he has a beard. I think so be grateful. You don't wanna sit without it . It's weird without your beard. Yeah, you just said it. Yeah . Do you remember how we decided to do a podcast? How that even came up ? Not so much. I don't either. We're like every other friend that not really the friend, every other like best friend kind of dynamic where it's like, we should do something. We should do a podcast. So like that's probably how most of them start . But we were important. We have something to say. Well, there's a difference. Sometimes you do have something to say. Everyone has something to say, but it's like , but not everyone needs to hear it. No, not one needs to hear it. But it's the point. Like you can choose to listen to us and you can choose not to. So it's really amazing. You can turn the volume down and just watch us flax. You could just do that. You can do that exactly 'cause we're better to hear. Just want to look at our armpits but not here we have just got wetty ass armpits right now. I feel like they got hairier since the last time. Give them a good flash . Yeah, you have do have good armpits. Thank you. Thank you. Maybe we should do an episode where we shave them. Let's shave your armpits. But it's like so itchy. And then you don't even put your arms down. I've shaved down there a couple times and I've never shared it. What's down there? Wait down there. What's that? Am I my nozzle? What's a nonozone? My cack. No. But is that actually not even my cack? It's my crack. Now the crack is comfortable. Brutal. When it starts growing back, first of all, the day after you shave it, it's like fire. And if you sweat, forget it. But and then it just feels like slimy, prickly, slimy because it's smooth and you sweat and there's nothing there to absorb and buffer it out. No, just drip and musk. Ugh , not my style. I hope you guys enj areoying hearing about that. Up close, one fist away from the microphone talking about slimy, sweaty cracks. Sorry to my grandmother that's probably listening to this. What do we call your grandmother? What do you call her? We call her Nona, Nnonnie? Nony, my Nannie. Sorry, Nanny. I love my I'm gonna call her Nanny too because I feel like it's the thing. I mean, I could I could try to avoid anything, but she's gonna listen because she's supportive and you know my mom follows us too. Oh, my mom . Although I don't know, maybe she's unfollowed us at this point. She also listens unmute. I got to tell you that's one of the biggest I don't know what to call it, but when I'm talking to myself and I'm having those moments, I call it a mind fuck because knowing that your family, somebody close to you watches , you know, we did YouTube for years . Me and Matt, and we would get to family functions and we'd have cousins being like, Oh, we saw your video. How's the checking group? All this stuff. We knew what we had made. We knew the content we made. We put the contents out , we knew people were watching it, but to have somebody so close to you watch it and then you realize oh you're finding out about it at the same time as everyone else. It's a weird thing and so to know that family listens to what we say, it's a different you know what I'm talking about what you mean. You're telling everyone about it before you're telling somebody who's most important to you about it. I think it nice's just knowing you have people that support you and love you and listen. It is, but I prefer that they don't. You don't fuck you with. It's weird. When I saw who follows Musky Trunks and it showed like forty something of my friends or mutual or whatever. I was like , I have forty friends forty five. I don't even I don't think I probably have ten friends. I just have my mom and a handful of other people. I don't know. There's people that come in your life. There's people that are very very, close friends that you just you love and you just talk all the time. There's people that pass, you get fair weather friends that come and go. You're friends that you pick up like five years later, like nothing's ever changed. Those are friends. Those are the best friends. Those are the friends right there. Yeah You never miss a beach long beach. You picked up with my girlie Solana. And you mean when you went to Pride? Yeah, I guess it was like Pride was Canvas for Pride. I just remember not being invited, but yeah, it was a girl's day. , if you're a girl with why am I not a girl Is there something you want to tell us? Are you transitioning? No, I'm not. I'm not . No, I'm not I would say I enjoy being a man, but people get pretty triggered and about me. Do not talk about being a man in masculinity because that is a soft point with a lot of people, which 've had this whole episode on that, but, but it is we should touch on that real quick because I want to call bullshit on that. I don't think there's anything wrong with being masculine and calling yourself masculine and preferring masculine . Yeah, as is, there's nothing wrong with being fem inine and preferring feminine and being feminine, being attracted to femininity. Yeah. Nothing wrong with a spectrum. It's all spectrum, but it's just like whatever makes you happy. It's a hard, I get it. A lot of men have done a lot of hurtful things. Yeah. For fucking sure , but there's not it's not, you know, this topic of like every man. It's every man. It's like, that's so cool. We're talking about men doing hurtful things or mastering in general, people are like every man. I just you see it online . It's always a man which often hates a man. And their man hating is a thing because men do, like I said, men do a lot of men are, especially white men are primarily doing the worst things. But you know, again, two things would be true. I love to say it and people are gonna fucking get so tired of me saying it it, but's true. There's people like , you know what's coming after this ? Balance . You do this, but this is six seven. Okay, six seven . I'm just saying that's what it is. Get with it. It's cringy. I have preteents. Maybe you can do like this as balance instead. No, no, I can do this because this comes first. Balance was before whatever the fuck that is that you did. six seven. Jesus cursed. God, dont see' this guy. That's such a six seven I'll let other people roast you in the comments about that one. You threw me off my train of thought. The point is, yeah, you can be a masculine guy and enjoy I can enjoy it. I enjoy working out. I enjoy being a dude . Doesn't mean that I support all the shit that comes after being a dude. Being a dude, I do. I do. I do. Crush it . I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it, but no, but I do, and there's nothing wrong with that. I also love where you be putting on some fun red heels, and I love being super but that's masculine to me . And let me tell you what I mean by that. That's you're masculine because you are secure enough to be who you are in this moment. Yeah , which is just joffy pops to me. Yeah, but then you're also, you don't need to question your manhood when you're like, fuck it, I want to dress in heels and dress up and be stupid. And that level of being comfort to me when it comes to you is masculine. Free enough . And that's strength. There are other people I know that would do that and I would maybe see that a little as them being feminine. And that's their strength. Like you draw on whatever it is that you are and who is anyone else to say that it's wrong? It's true. It is who you are and it's who you connect to and if you want to be. And if you want to wake up the next day and be like, fuck it, that's not me anymore. I want to do this , get your shit. Guy, do it. Do what you want, do what makes you feel good and talk about the haters the entire way because it doesn't matter what anybody thinks. The only thing that really ever matters at the end of the day is what are you doing ? Is it intentionally hurting someone? Are you purposefully being an asshole and hur ting somebody? That's a whole other thing, but it doesn't matter. Listen, in the words of great Sheryl Crow , if it makes you happy , it can't be that bad. Yeah . That's an intense one though. It's true though. Do you think genocide made Hitler happy? I'm talking for a normal person. Don't bring Hitler into when I'm talking about my girl, okay I know if you bring up genocide, there's a whole lot of shit going on in the world right now though. Now I'm sweating. And I feel really restricted by the microphone. The mic is restricting. Yeah. I feel like I'm in a bit more open space here where I could just like put my dogs up and I can just you can put your dogs up, but are they in frame is the most important thing? And you have socks on, but I guess people are into socks. They're not into high socks though. Speaking of comments, people really get mad at that. They're like, don't normalize high socks. But what's funny is you don't wear high socks. You wear half and half. These are high. Those are not high. Are they not high? No, these like , I have my winter socks on because they're cozy . I feel like they're like the same. No, yours are down there, but mine are also crinkled in my boot. They come all the way up to here on my shin, right? Yeah, on my calf up here. Those are like what do they call those? Like mid half and half it's like wearing a pair of shants they're not quite shorts, they're not pants, they're shants. Okay, how do we even get here? We're talking about masculinity. Let's get into the comments. I like the idea of you being beefed out about being the rough twenty seven year old , which by the way, he's not even twenty seven, he's twenty six. twenty six in Wednesday. Wednesday. So lightning the fuck up, okay? I have some that if you could be so kind to read , which ones you have for me? Well, I'll air drop them to your house. Well, let me read this one first. All right, all right. All right, now I'm not going to name names. But no, absolutely anybody can go on Instagram and read these. You should name names. All right, but I'm air dropping you right now. Will you accept that? Yeah, I just accepted it. Oh, there's so many years that we could go off of. I don't even know I got some good ones. Somebody did their homework. All right . Well, the one that was I did make a comment about, which is like it's and even I stress out when I say words, and that makes me like as a human wonder, like if I say queer, if I say trans , if I say black, if I say white, if I say anything , like the second it leaves my mouth, it's so unfortunate that there's like fear behind like oh shit like and it's knowing that nothing I'm ever going to say is going to be derogative because I don't feel that way. I'm not a hateful person like at all. Like it's not even a thought in my mind, but it's just like the way that like people get comfortable when they hear something like that. So of course it's like an interesting thing when we talk about trans. So this comment here, right ? My question is , why do you two care what a trans woman does? If trans people are people, why should they be expected to be role models and pillars of excellence with the sameness that makes them palatable to everyone in a firm society's expectations of the binary gender. It's a very long comment. So I can go into it. But a lot of it was like, and I'll read you the last part. First of all, I get it. Like I would never deny anybody's experience ever . When you put yourself out there in the world on social media , you're putting yourself out there and like you're going to get comments. The same way I can't get really that mad at the end of the day about what people say about me, how I look, whatever, because I know I'm putting myself out there So that's a very interesting conversation . Expectations put on people. Like by no means do I think because you're a trans person is there this expectation that you need to represent the trans community. I think that came across that way when you and I were talking about Lilitino, but I think we're talking about one in particular person that was negative who puts herself out there as a representation of the trans community. Yes. And that's what this person doesn't seem to understand . Yeah, like I would never, the same way, I would want that expectation. I don't want to be representing all gay men. No. No one wants to be that. We are. And if it's unfairly put on we are Yeah, yeah, we are by taking a stance and saying that we are gay and we're hosting a podcast and we're putting ourselves out there . To me, I think it is we are doing a disservice if we are going about what we're doing in a way that's going to negatively impact the community because LGBT IA on and on and on, there's a T in that community. We are all one community. We all're marginalized in some way . Some more than others . But I think it's important to be looking out for each other and I have friends that are trans. One of my first friends that I ever made when I moved to LA when I was eighteen was trans. And I think I mentioned this before. I didn't know what trans was when I moved here . I didn't know . It didn't matter to me . She was my first representation, she was my first experience of what trans was and I never thought about it again . It wasn't a thing to me . But I think that that is like we have a responsibility to represent in a way. If you decide to take a platform , you know, yeah, you can choose to do whatever you want to with it , but I do think that you're going to do a disservice to people that are in your community if you're behaving in the way that La Latino did. Yeah. There are a lot of people that did. That's a hard one Because you also live your life without feeling like expectation is put. Then don't set up a camera in a restaurant. No, you can't, yeah, that's my point. You know, we have friends that don't do that. They're just living their lives. And that's ninety nine point nine percent of the time nobody's even gonna know they're trans. Yeah. Yeah. And that's something else people don't understand. Not all trans people are obvious . Well, now you're getting into that territory. That's some cancelable care territory we're getting into now. Passing, non passing, all that stuff, right? That's a hard personal journey. Is it? Of course, it's a hard personal journey. There's like all money you may not have money or the means to afford some states or of course no one wants to hear that. That's all got to be hard. Like that's one thing I definitely empathize with is like if I being trans and like not passing or not with when they say that would hurt like it would hurt for people to like so I do get that when Lily Tino kind of eggs on that whole thing where it's like it hurts, I think Lily Tino's big thing they say is like it's like a dagger in my heart. They're annoying, but that feeling I get, I would probably understand that like fuck that hurts everybody. But here's the thing if we're not having this conversation . How are people going to know that's even a thing ? Yeah. Yes, no, we're not trans . We don't have somebody sitting here that are trans , but there are people who are watching that are trans. There's people who can comment and add to the conversation who are trans and maybe we will have somebody on that. I would absolutely love to. We would love that . But there's nothing wrong with conversing and because you're still even that was another comment . You're going to have something to say to me that's going to make me think differently. Yes. And vice versa. Yes. I'm just gonna know different my comment that I sent you? No, no, yeah, one that you sent me where they said there's so much fun back here, right? We talk about that. Yeah . Unless a trans person is invited to the space where the conversation is being had, the decisions are being made on their behalf, which there are a lot of decisions being made on behalf of trans people in this country, specifically maybe well in many countries, but there's a lot of it and that's fucked. But I think that is a whole thing where it's like not everyone's going to be a part of every conversation, but conversations are going to be had at the end of the day. How many allies have you encountered in your life I've encountered a lot who who have probably spoken on the behalf of their gay friends without their gay friends or gay people being present. An ally is an ally and I consider myself an ally and a friend Yeah . And I don't think there's I understand there I get what they're saying , you know, with having somebody present but again, that you're talking about that gets into local levels of government all the way up to like, you gotta have these people presents everywhere to really fight for trans rights, and that's really hard to do unless people are talking about it. Yeah . You know, it starts at the very bottom and it percolates. The conversation's important. And it's important because I also just feel like I need to make very clear. When we have opinions, and if we say something about that like about Lolitino, and it's just one example that only really for us does come from love. People may see our comments and be like, oh that's or people may comment and think like, oh the fuck are these two faggots to be talking about shit like this? It's because we are just talking. Mind you, that's also it. the A endt of the day , I responded to that person and interested what they said because they also happen to go on and be like, you know, somebody can be obnoxious without being morally reprehensible. You two are certainly evidence of that. And I don't want to defend her . But this is tired . Who was that? Did you like that comment? I did like that double tap that yeah. This is tired discourse from fledging podcast hosts who have such a fraught relationship with their masculinity that they had to name the podcast musky trunks. And that' thats's what led us to conversation about masculinity. Can we run that through like AI detection though because there's so much it seems like there's some big words in the message didn't write that themselves . It's and I get it like there's some anger there and there's so my point being it does come from love. Like you and I are never gonna speak from a place of well now I speak from a place of Haiti, but not this type of shit . I just you want to know something. I just don't really top of it. Are they being me though? Because there's a lot of tone now there's you can't detect when they say something like the only oppression sure, the only oppression you have you face is the gap in your teeth and being relatively old . Who's the old four, by the way? What? Fists, bro, fist. First of all, I told you this before, but your gap is one of my favorite things about you ? Anyway, let's move on. Let's move on. Let's move on. Let's move on. I think people they're going to say more and we'll come back and talk. And the point is that led to the fraught relationship with masculinity. Yeah. That's what led to like the original conversation between you and I, which is like , there's nothing fraught about it. Like there's no, there's no like overcompensing. It's like, oh, you do this podcast because you need to over compensate. It's like, no, like we are just two dudes and we enjoy it and we're having fun. Like that's all that at the end of the day is all we care about. And we're going to talk about stuff on here that might piss people off, will piss people off, but here's the thing. I'm a fucking hypocrite. I'd just be I'd be talking. Like I'll just say stuff. I'd be talking, right? Like we all do. We all just say some shit. Doesn't mean that I hundred percent believe it. But here's what nobody's gonna nobody gives a shit what you have to say unless you like show an armpit or flex a muscle. So if you want to know that you don't give a shit. I just be saying sh it and don't take anything I fucking say seriously because I'm a hypocrite and I don't mean any of it at all. Okay, that's the Oh there it is there is Yeah, but the micro's kind of covering it up. I should put it right in my chest. Tap it. Yeah, let's move on. But we can all be hypocritical though. And of course, that's being human. And if we can acknowledge it, if we know it , yeah, then it's not a bad thing. If you're aware of your hypocrisy and proceed knowing that you have contradicted yourself , then I feel like it's not a bad thing. Maybe you can evolve evolve. Evolve is the biggest point. If you're not aware of your hypocrisy and you don't know that you're being a hypocrite, yeah , then and I'm willing to learn. If you look at any of my responses to these comments, I'm never gonna be like, let' fsuck you. Like what the fuck's that about? Like so if those come up that's me that has commented is it was that what you're saying? Yeah, if there's ever a negative musky trunks response, first of all, I don't have access, I'm without you right now. I'm never gonna like, no matter how mean you are to me, I'm never going to like retaliate out of danger. Are you that like helpless little puppy that's never gonna fight back? Oh, if it's in real life and there is no social media footprint, I will fuck you up. Like I will . you don So' ift want to get your ass turn your phone on real fast, is that what you're saying? Exactly. Pull that camera out and that'll be sweet as pie no. It's it's just because I'm open. I'm open. If somebody's like mean to be mean, I'm not going to respond. If somebody's angry because they're passionate about something and they have an opinion that they think I'm not saying, I would love to hear it. Like, I'm fully open the same way I would want other people to be open to what my opinions are. That's really hard. That's a hard place to be. Yeah , to recognize the difference of somebody coming at you from a place of anger but still passion versus somebody just being an asshole and a dick and wanting to fight, being able to decipher the two and say, okay, I'm going to allow this confrontation . So I can learn , maybe this is a teachable moment for the person coming at me , anybody watching my stand to gain something from this? Yeah. That's I think that says a lot about you. Yeah, I think it's good. It's healthy. It's a big man. Anger's okay too. Like it's a big thing. I think passion Anger is an extension. Passion, anger . There's nothing wrong with speaking with passion. Sometimes it does come across aggressive. I've been told that and I check myself I'll be like, oh shit, maybe I'm a little like over the top. I got two thousand percent. But it doesn't mean like you would know if I'm angry, I'd be like I'd be fucking mad. Like I get mad. I get very mad , but sometimes you're just passionate. So what comment to? I don't know what's actually I think one that's this is like a you conversation which is it valid that I don't enjoy this because I'm a Matte and Blue fan. And of course I'm a little shit. So I'm like, no with a heart because I'm like, No, it's not valid . It's not valid. And you know what? There's shit. So you know , people know who Matt and Blue is because we've started this YouTube channel like I don't know. I want to say fifteen years ago, but it might be closer to twenty. You know, that's just a piece of who we were whether it's valid or not that they don't like what we're doing because they're matte and blue fans. Like I don't want to sound like a dick, but I don't care because I'm not I'm not going to stop doing what I want to do because Because somebody likes something else that I did . Yeah . Safar? Of course. You're an individual, so it's you can obviously have what you have and have your relationship and have that matte andue and B thatl channel, but also a successful healthy relationship is two individuals, right? It's two people. So it's blue, it's Matt, right? It's your own life as well. Yeah. And if you're a fan of somebody, you should be a fan of somebody. somebody. But talking about representation, like for a long time we started our Matt and Blue channel , we started it on YouTube years ago to have a platform to be creative on. I was leaving the music industry. He was, you know, doing the acting thing in LA and we were we wanted something that we could release music on, release short films, whatever. And that was that was the go ahead. That's what we were going to do. And then our son came to us and then every parent and our time suddenly shifted to, okay, we don't have time to make all this creative shit anymore. That is what it is. But I also think that people like this comment er, you know, like I got nothing but love for because if they've been a supporter of ours from the beginning, like there's know a handful of people by their first name or their handles because they've been followers of ours so long. So I appreciate them . I think that if you were a fan of me for any reason you would continue being a fan of what I did. Maybe you wouldn't like everything that I did. Maybe I don't know, make a song or a video that you don't like or a podcast that I don't like or that you don't like. And that's fine. You know, I think that we're fans of a lot of people that we might not like something they do , but to say that you're not a fan of it because you're a fan of something else I think is kind of lame, of course, of course . Because it insinuates that is the new Matte Blue or they feel like this is taking the spot something like that is completely its own . I also wonder like and maybe this is just me spitballing some stupid shit but yeah what if like it was reversed and you were in a straight relationship and you were a woman. And it's like, what are you doing outside the house without your husband? How dare how dare you without your man? Where is he know you're making a podcast? Like that would be other people would be like fuck, you, how she let her live her life, let her live her life, let her do her thing. It's different, but is it , you know, there's so many assumptions about things. People that's funny. That's what Matt commented on one of the posts is like, you guys , I don't know if you saw that. He's like, you all have to stop assuming. And I told him I was like, That's not even the thread that you need to comment on. That's that's the light that thread with on. Yeah, there's a much heavier thread in there, but he doesn't care. Because people are also like so bored. It's like, you know, here's the thing too. Like people get talking about speaking of comments, not even switch gears, but like speaking of comments, like I may be an opinionated person . The last thing I ever do on comment, I don't comment. Like I look at videos and I'll talk shit if you're next pick like look at this . But like, I'm not gonna go on there and be like, what the fuck, you know, I don't pretend that we want them to comment. You comment, but I don't. So that's the difference. Speaking of hypocrisy, speaking of hypocrisy, yeah, but because it's weird that idea is like crazy to me. So these people, how does that feel? Like that's something I don't know about. Like for you just knowing that you have like some people that are so obsessive life, like what you do because people look to you, especially like in the gay community as a as a gay creator , especially looking back at like early YouTube. Like when we first started YouTube, there weren't I could be wrong, but I'm pretty certain there were not gay families doing what we were doing. I knew the gay families I was aware of was Neil Patrick Harris and David Burka, which I really have a lot of respect for them and look up to them. It was people of that level that I knew were gay families. I didn't know the YouTube stars who were gay families because I don't even know if they really were . But I do think that was part of our success back then was that we were one of the first , and we were willing to share that. And I was happy. I felt proud to be that representation . In the beginning, I didn't know what it was . I was just excited that I was a new dad and I had this fucking angel of a kid , you know, the very first time I glanced into his eyes in a parking lot, I remember that moment. It's ingrained in my head. You know what? It's like, I felt good about that Sweet. And you know him, like my fucking kids are cool. Yeah. So I don't know how I feel about I don't know if people are really that obsessed. Yeah. Maybe they are, but I don't really pay too much attention to it. I've had encounters, weird encounters with people , you know, not me as many as Matt has . He was on a sci fi show for , you know , sci fi fans are kind of weirdo sometimes. Fans in general can be weird, I guess. I assume that I know I've been weird to people that I've been a fan of not knowing it at the moment, but then I walk away and I'm like yeah and then she still responded to me on Instagram. Like that was nice of her. Yeah . As she wings over at her bodyguard . People put certain attachments to certain situations people in their life. But but you know what, honestly, one of the biggest honors I think, that we that I feel like I could get is being part of somebody's nostalgic feeling when they think about a certain time in their life. Yeah. If I'm attached to that memory , that feels That feels that would make me happy. There you go. Yeah, I think that's important. You're definitely like a pivotal point in YouTube. And pivotal? Pivotal, pivotal, right? Early YouTube, right? Maybe pivotal is not the right word. I don't know, but like an important when that stuff was starting and more not pivotal for that but more I meant more for how adoption like queer adoption which was like a controversial . So we were in Arizona and we were engaged but we, would not both be listed on the birth certificate as parents. One of us would be a step parent or something the equivalent of unless we were married . There was some kind of weird something like that. If Matt were here, he would be able to maybe it's a conversation for another time, but I remember I remember there being a rush. Yeah. We had to rush to the courthouse because they're like , you know, your adoption date's coming up , whatever, you're not married. Something with the courts had just changed something. So we and it was like a couple days and we went and got married at the courthouse because we didn't want to jeopardize , you know, anything . But it was a weird time in Arizona, like that kind of state. It was like, you know, and people coming up today, they won't know that at one point we did not have the right to marry. Haps the fucking literally. But you know, it might be taken away from him. Well, let's not think about that right now. Yeah, what age were you was that? twenty fifteen, Arizona, you could have adopted me In twenty fifteen ? Yeah, I was fifteen . Maybe fifteen, turning sixteen. We're looking for a toddler set here a little too old for us . Damn , damn . Let's move on. Let's move on to another, I'm looking at the comments. Let's what about you get to speak on now. I need a break. I was talking for the previous ly where you were, but you talk a lot. You took a screenshot of this one that was like the unpopular opinion. Madonna has been elevated into is this one you were talking ring bell . Screenshot into the exclusive origin point of female pop transgression, obscuring other artists who are earlier, stranger, riskier, or more conf rontational . Yeah, yeah. Because I also like, I don't know what they meant by that, but I agree with them. I do agree with them. My comment to that would be like she just had the fucking stage. She put it in people's faces. I don't remember screenshotting that though. Oh, no, you know? Oh, this is giving me a headache. Fucking lose it. I can't, now I have hat had no. I get what they bring around the head. She's definitely believe me, like she's she is inspired by many people, many people that broke down before her, but there's just whatever, what artist is ? But the difference of her was the fact that she had such a big spotlight from her early hits that so many eyes were on her that it made it even more of a big deal. Like if Taylor Swift were to fucking come out here and be like here's my sex book people that would be so like unfucking heard of people like what the fuck? Like that's that's fucking I know that but like really like let's think of it like you know maybe it's a stupid thing to say but it would shock people because of the amount of like it'd be different if it was somebody like Nina Hagen who had a door , but didn't have as many views or people that knew of her if she was doing something out there. You're saying Madonna just a force to be reckoned with because of that? I think because she already had eyes on her, that made her even more, like that it just brought it to the forefront of the mainstream. But who has ever done anything like the sex book before? I'm sure there's plenty there's been plenty of sexual look at Prince. No, Prince has done the sexual book book. Oh, the sex Yeah, of course. Yeah, you know, I know what you mean. But again, like, what if Madonna only had a couple, you know, maybe a million fans in the world? Like would it have been a good ideal? No, but there's plenty of people that were, I think that comment was just trying to tell us like there's there were deserving people that were doing this but weren't being seen. And I think my point is we're not disagreeing with you. We completely think that's what they're saying. I think they mean like they were yeah, like there were people doing more, people that were really breaking boundaries, but the reason she broke those boundaries is because she just had so many eyes on her and she had a lot more to lose as far as like fucking fans and money and whatever sponsorships labeled, whatever. Like that was I think that's kind of what they meant. And I agree with them on that. You know, does that make sense? All right, let's move on. Let's move on. There's more . I thought they were kind of saying like she was writing on the coattails of other people who had done the same she was doing what other people were doing. She was just more famous at it is kind of what I read it to be. Yeah, and maybe it's a mix of both. It could be a mix of both. Two things can be true. I'll say it all . Oh my seven is sues. He would have stopped saying that. What six seven? It's it like actually irks me. You can get like ears . Six seven, six seven . I don't know if I want to do podcast with you anymore. All right, then if I can leave , this thing is so low. My fucking I did not know this tank top would be so low. I don't wanna do podcasts anymore. But before I leave, let me show you my cube low . You gotta pull it back. There's a You got low hangers. An older man bought me this shirt in San Diego or in at Palm Springs. Maybe it's because you have an old man chest and your tits are hanging too low . Mine feel very propped up right now. Might feel okay. I'm just saying old man bought me this. So you wanted this tits out. What'd you have to do for that old man to buy it for you? So we'll move on. Did you have to swallow for a tank top? Worth I 'm sure you're saying it , how much I can afford a tank top ? Okay, I can afford a fine tank top . Maybe not two tank tops. I can afford one. Okay. And this is tank of gas. You know, where to find me. All right, all right, all right. We have other ones. What's going on here? Are they flirting or what? We flirt because we're just flirting we're fucking game in. Everybody flirts. And we're also talking about armpits. Have you met my husband Talk about flirts. People flirt. Would you say that's like two girlies that are out hitting the town together, like two girls that are hitting flirting fucking like so much fun. Like a problem. We can't even be female like when we flirt together, we can't even be fem anymore. We're just being girls. Get your mind out of the gutter. Yeah. She don't be ap surril. Haz crust ammonium . All right, what's the next one? We re went over twenty seven is a rough one . So I'm believing that one that one still tickles me . Pours up because it gets your goat. And it makes me feel so good. Look at the one that was coming for you on YouTube, I didn't even screenshot that one. On YouTube, what do they say? Say something about you being they're mad at you for not liking what you said about Addison Ray and they were like says the with spoiled milk or something . So mean. Addison Ray they're upset that I call their cold bersur.g Yeah, they are, they are . Well, now she's cold stale burgers, so hey, Addison didn't say that to you. Addison would love you. She would she would uplift you. I'm sure I would lift that up. But I would say you know what? Take a deep breath and tighten your core when you sing. Yeah, she could use some support, but she 's fucking talented. She's a talented girl. She's a good dancer. You say so . She's a good dancer. I just like to say things that get your head. I know you do. I know you do. Sorry, I know you do. I actually like for the record though, because I don't want to make it sound like I'm talking shit about her . I only know her music. I haven't seen her dance. I prefer like everyone nerd. No one gonna's be a fucking belty singer . Sometimes it's about the production and the final product. Sometimes it's the production, the music, the elements . Your voice is an instrument that flows through it. You talk about Madonna, you talk about people that don't sing Madonna's. Yeah, but no Madonna's not a great Madonna's got great performance with Madonna's worked with incredible songwriters and producers that give her melodic fun. Do you see that What's the song? The musical sooner or later. Dickie, Dick Tracy. Dick, Tracy, you should remember that. I should remember that. So good. That was actually pretty put it in your tracy. That was good. I enjoyed that one. Dick Tracy, her performance . That's she sounded really good, dude. That was I thought she sounded good. I don't think Madonna ever really sounds out great. I think she sounded good on that. I think I mean, I enjoy her voice. It's real, it's authentic. I'd much rather her sing like that than the auto tune bullshit with the grill in her mouth that she sings now, but it's still not going to change my mind on Es and Ray. All right, next , move on. The YouTube on where they were kind of like about straight people in the clubs. That's an interesting conversation people on the club. They're like in queer spaces, where they were like, you know, unpopular opinion, straight people don't belong in queer spaces . But what was so interesting about that? I just feel like that would be that's a conversation because I see it's a double unpop oh no way that's not the one . Oh yeah, unpopular opinion. You screenshotted this one . I did. I swear you screenshotted this one. Are you sure you didn't screenshot? I think you got high and screenshotted a bunch 'cause I didn't screenshot that McDonald's. This was eight thirty . On YouTube AM . eight thirty five AM. I was not screenshotting shit. So high at eight five. I don't remember screenshotting this. Okay, well they said unpopular bin straight people should avoid going to queer spaces or bars . What do you think of that? I call bullshit on that. I think that queer spaces queer , if somebody says queer to me, it's all encompassing . I think of queer as everyone is invited to the party And my experience, when I go to like we were in West Hollywood, yes, it was majority gay, but it was gay because we were in gay vill age. But we don't know if everyone we were seeing was gay. There could have been a lot of straight people there. Or by it's an assumption. By the girl shows up for a boy and she has a boyfriend. Does that mean that she's I just think that we are a community who is already attacked. We're excluded. We're excluded. We include . Yeah. We include. Yeah. You told me a story about in San Jose , how you had an experience with some straight guys that came into a gay bar and that's what he was referring to. I think like unpopulate race. So I think he was referring to and looked at you like you were in a zoo or something and approached them with kindness and like kind of won them over . And I think that that is who our community needs to be the most, especially right now , because there's not , you know, yeah, it's not really the environment right now in our society that people are open . It's a very divisive time. And so I think that we are the ones. We are the soldiers that have to do the work. And I think everyone should be included. Yeah . And straight chicks are hot, straight dudes are hot. Yeah. Just don't be the weird dude. Like when I was in the fucking long beach, like I was with my girls . Long Beach. Long Beach. Not long beach long beach. It was long beach. And she was we were there and we were having a fun time and there like' thiss straight cowboy guy that was there the hat just like yours . And he wonderful. But he was like only he was just going to every woman he could see and he was like shirt lives. Oh he was was he sexy Yeah he would I think he would have been sexy if he wasn't so like weird. He was like shit faced and he was just trying to like hit every woman he could possibly see and that's when I'm like because the other thing is when you're straight people belong there like he''ss a a p predredator. He ator and that's it because I would actually welcome women, especially straight women to come to the queer scene because they probably don't want to be in a fucking bar with dudes. I tell you, I want to grow . I invite the straight dudes. Yeah , and not because they're straight dudes, but because they're most likely to hate us because we're gay and we're trying to bed them or whatever the reason is, but I don't I just like party with them. Yeah. Yeah, show them a good time. They're not, you know, they're all you're always going to get the ones that are still assholes. Of course . But there's a lot of them that, you know, they're just their guards are up because they think of gay people a certain way because they're brought up that way or their algorithm shows that gay people are that way but gay people aren't and show them what they 're saying around in San Dows, show them what the gay scene is about. There may be some fucking people dancing in speedos, but what did the gay scene start at? It started as this way to express yourself creatively, sexually , have fun and being escaped from the world. And also gay people were always on the precipice of culture and art and music and sex and love and freedom . Fucking just everything beautiful. So like that was the underground. Like that was the gay underground was like you want, to esca pe this fucking monotonous bullshit , come join us and like be free, be free. That's what Madonna, I'm sure is trying like what she wants to express with this new album that she's coming out with a confession part two where it's like that was another continuation of what she's been doing which is a woman, a straight woman that grew up. I mean, I think she's straight. I don't think she said anything like she's never said anything about eating pussy or not like that. But she 's definitely said something about she talked about being finger banged by your best friend? I don't know if she's like kissing Brittany. I don't know that that was like a show we think, but nonetheless, like this is in my eyes like a straight woman or whatever that grew up or was, you know, immersed in the gay ballroom underground scene and was a part of that culture. So everyone should be welcome because there's inspiration, there's motivation, there's culture, there's all of it. You know, I wish we lived in a society where there wasn't partitions put up based on your orientation . Because I don't fit into what most people think of as gay . You know, if you ask somebody from Middle America or not even America, like there's places in the world, right? If you ask some people what's gay, they're going to have a very clear idea of what that is to them, right? I don't think I'd fit into that . I think that the most majority of people don't think of gay people as being masculine and building shit and being physical in that way or being blue collar workers. I think that they think of them as dancing around in speedos, going to gay pr ide events , you know, waving the rainbow flag. We don't I think my daughter has a rainbow flag. We don't have a rainbow flag . I love the rainbow flag, but we don't fly one . We don't fly an American flag. We don't need a flag to represent to show what we represent . We are the representation. When we go out in public , me, my husband and my kids, we are the representation . I need a fucking flag for that. Same way, I don't need a fucking ring to show that I'm married. Like it's not about showing other people in that way. It's about living what you are . And I think that if the partitions were removed , how happy would everyone be if everyone was just coexisting and understanding each other in it was a world of peace and love. We should bring back the hippie days. I don't bring back those bumper stickers that everyone had coexist. And just there should be HVAC systems that light joints and pump THC into and all air conditioners everywhere . Everyone would be so happy and kind to each other and let that like let everyone go before them. No you go the freeways would be halted to a stop because everybody like No you first know you go that's why everyone was smoking today We don't need more of that. But you know my point. I mean, I'm being ridiculous, but you know my point. I know, I know. Why can't the world be that? Because why? Why can't it be that way? Because of hate and assumptions and what hate is fear hate is fear. Fear yeah, fear fear and fear is ignorance .ar Fe is you not knowing about somebody else . Or fear is , you know, somebody's ugly, somebody's mean, somebody's dangerous, somebody's committing genocide , but we are supposed to have people that protect us from that and represent us in those situations and not just eliminate and go and bomb and attack , but apply diplomacy to take care of that problem . And I feel like the fabrics of our society are shredding right before our very eyes and that fear is growing and growing and growing because the vast majority of us don't feel like that representation is out there. And I think it's like trickles down all the way across the board. Of course . So the hate in our community is increasing And it's up to fear fear and little people like us to do something about it. Yeah. It's about the fear. It's about and it all sprouts from that. Like the way you understand and what you think of something is the way it is, which is one like when I say my mom's thing by Oh my gosh, I love it. Can you allow it to be my mom with her British accent? Can you allow it to be other than you think it is? But it's like weirdly profound. Like, I do agree. It's deep. And your one that she says all the time was you say it too fast. You've heard it for years. We haven't. Can you allow it to be other than you think it is? Think about that . Allow it to be. And her other one, which I agree with equally, is we are hurt by our understanding of love . So which falls into expectations, we are hurt by more than just love in relationships, but like the way that you think somebody should love you, the way that you think somebody should show what is right may not be somebody else's. And we are hurt by our own understanding of what we think is right because we believe what we think to be true one hundred percent separate from what you can you say this but like five times slower? No, just bring it down . That's what you get. You can rewind it and you can slow down. It's gonna a take week me to get back to this. I'm not gonna understand it till then. I'll leave it at that. We are hurt by our understanding of love slower ? We are hurt by our understanding not that part understanding next part and can you allow it be wait sorry , can you allow it to be so that people listen other than you think it is. Okay , okay Blur it, blur it, blur it . All right anything to say before that ? Before shirts come off and pants come on them. I can't, my tants are too tight. I can't take my shirt off today. My tants are too tight my tants are too tight Can't even laugh at this fucking hat on. Take it off. I take it off and I feel the rush of blood. I can't have hat head now. It doesn't look good. Now I have to keep it on. Oh , all fucking day . Where are we going to after this? Are there more comments? What was that? Okay, I don't know, I mean, maybe we're just gonna cut this one because I don't even know what I'm going to dive into about this. I have no clue what I want to say. But the one that when I was talking about cancel culture and I was like, is cancel culture dying off. I was just asking that because I'm like, well, we assume so much about people . And don't get me wrong. Like somebody that's a fucking rapist, somebody that's a murder, like somebody that's a fucking horrible piece of shit. That's not even canceled. That's a morality thing. It's like you are fucking you're fucked. But people that have like the comedians that may have made a joke, a songwriter that may have said something in a song immediately defining who they are as an entire person. That's what I meant by. Like that conversation, like is it cancel culture dying off because people go so much deeper in that, but you can look at the real. I'm not gonna dive into that again because what I said before cancel culture to like when I think of cancel culture, I think of not being able to say somebody is masculine anymore. Yeah, that's what I think of a cancer culture. And I think that's fucking responsible for being like whatever. But my point being wasn't even about that. We could talk about this all day. My point being the person that's commented said, it's always white or white adjacent people who don't like games. Are we both white adjacent because we're sitting next to each other and we're both white . You and this mic keeps it's not my fault . I don't know what that means by the way. I don't know what that even means. Then you know what? That probably means they don't either and they're not worried about it. No, I think that they're like don't want to offend someone so we're not going to assume he's white. So I'm gonna say white or white adjacent . It's probably 'cause you're so orange . I'm fucking oompa lumpa because the lighting and the way that this man edits these fucking videos you edit the video bright orange. So I'm telling you because these sides are two different colors. So you look completely different than I do right here. I don't know . But I thought I just have to mention that comic because I thought it's so quick. People are so quick to jump to like race or gender, whatever for I said one random comment about cancel culture and you're immediately jumping to is that not almost cancel culture in itself? Like why is it everyone hates cancel culture? Because you know why everyone fucking hates cancel culture? It's because we are humans . We all say some shit. We all make mistakes , but we all deserve the dignity, not everyone , but most people deserve the dignity and the chance to make up for it, to grow . We're just a little have a little grace because we're human. We're humans. There are people who are mobbed on you immediately. It's like you said one bad thing I disagree with. Now not only are you a problem but we're not talking about Karens. We're not talking about the asshole people out there that are you know, , calling the police on a black person because they're in the wrong neighborhood that fuck them. They're assholes. Of course . That's not that's not what it is when I think of cancel culture. Yeah . I think of it as like this hypersensitivity over anything you say that somebody doesn't like and then they're gonna make it their mission to cancel you. Not just cancel you, but to make sure that anybody else that likes you, if Lan a D Relay says something about glamorizing abuse in a song and people want to cancel her, then you're also on a fucking manhunt to shut down anybody who likes anybody who likes Lana Del Ray. Obviously nothing about the comment I made was bad. So you immediately being like this white guy saying something. I never said anything bad. Same way I would never say anything bad about that. Long deal raised somebody like that for this weird example but wants to sing about abuse, wants to sing about he hit me and it felt like a kiss. That's her story . Her view of love, her view of abuse, her view of relationships is not yours. Your view of whatever is your view, her view is whatever. She's going to make her art, she's going to make her music, she's going to do what she's going to do . That's her freedom . You know You know , you can lay off. You can't hate on people for fucking that's a bad example, but it's one example I remember being pretty prevalent when Lonidovy first started. People hating on the right. That's the thing songwriter, there have been so many things said in the past that are way worse than that. Oh, tons, but that's just an example . Songwriters in art. And remember art is interpretation. It's subjective . You know, like I don,'t know, cancel cultures September is not about the culture. If we can't get it, we can't have to do it again. You can't bring it up. It came somehow. It cancels all over . It came up because of the comment because he's immediately like only white people. Okay. We were adjacent to white. Yeah, it's always a white guy that hates it. It's like, we all hate cancel culture, bro. Okay. It's not a race thing. We all just want we're all humans. We're all trying to figure it out. We're all trying to figure it out. I'm gonna put my shoes back on. I'm getting cold in here. It is getting cold.. I got a pee I got a pee too. All right, in a long episode before we go, let's let's wrap this up . Give me what you are most grateful for right now in your life includ Enclosing. What I'm most grateful for my life right now is that I feel like new beginnings. I'm grateful for a new start. I'm grateful to know that you can always just pick up and a lot of people right now I feel like with my friends, my family, like a lot of people feel like there's something in the air, some change is coming . And with podcasts being so fucking over saturated, with music being so oversaturated, right? Anybody can do anything. That gets to a point where it's like a bottle filling up, everything's filling up, it's ready to explode. But in that explosion is like fuck, like so many people care so much, so many people don't care at all. The world is like on fire and that may seem like the worst possible thing, but what I'm grateful in that is it also just allows you the freedom to just fucking be. Like , you can ignore all that and you can just live and start a new and no one's gonna notice, but it's also people that I'm grateful for people's attention spans. Fucking so short. I may say something, I may do something. You're forget going to it. Whatever . And I'm still gonna be here doing my own thing. I think it's just a fresh start. I'm grateful for grateful for that. Grateful for the freedom to be who I want to be . I'm grateful to be in a world now that is so unsure that anything is possible . Nothing is set because there's no answer anyway. There's nothing, right? We don't have any path or truth. Maybe that does make sense, but this, that's how I feel. I'm grateful for it. Wake up and be who you want to be . What about you? Strangely enough, almost on the nose of what I'm grateful for. It is so it's the new beginning scene thing really his home. So my kids just it's the end of the school year . They're on to new schools, new year I'm excited for our podcast , but I'm also grateful that I am in a situation in place in life that allows me embark on this new journey of podcasting and getting back in the songwriting because it wasn't, you know, a year or two ago that I was just full time dad . And that's what I did . House bitch , constant cleaning, constant chores, constant shopping , constant picking up from school. Like that's what I did. Nothing else happened for me. Yeah. And it was happy like fulfilling. I'd loved it, but now it's a new chapter and I'm grateful for that. You're here. That's a good one. It's a good one. And that means more creativity to come. We may talk a lot about creativity , but we're going to be walking that talk, mind you. We have music that is going to be coming out. We're going to be expressing, showing our music, showing our art, showing our projects and what we do because we actually have to share something we will. We will. We put ourselves out here looking like a bunch of clowns with what we do now. So we'll start putting out the actual product. What are you doing now ? How does your bladder even handle that right now? I'm stretching it out . It's called a cowboy twirk. It's not a it's not a what do you call it ? It's not a twirk and use where's my camera? Where's my camera upstate My camera is upside down though. That's not fair. You get a regular camera