Reflecting on Growth and Future Outlook

Give me y ang. Ying yang ying, y . Is that what that means? I thought it was supposed to be close to your mouth, isn't that better ? So how many fore fourfingers? Three fingers . Depends. The bigger your fingers . Okay , listen , this is a show where we can talk shit. Okay ? Yeah. you need your laptop to talk shit? I do because I took notes . Oh , sometimes you know when you get into like a confrontation and you're so caught off guard and then you leave and for five days after you keep replaying it and you come up with all these reports and you're like, oh, I should have said . I really handed it to him, right? Yeah. Well, I pre did that and I made notes. I should have done that . That's not I well,'m witty and I can just come up with it on my own. I don't need it. You're yelling. I am my brain's sharp . Yeah How's that feel? Feels great. Yeah . Yeah You're pretty sharp. You don't forget . These are not insults. These are just these are notes. There's nothing wrong with taking notes. And I yeah , I'm a proud note taker. Okay . Taking notes . That's I feel like how creative minds work though. Well, you have to write down. In other words, the thoughts are fleeting. They go away in five seconds. The second you have it, it's gone. Exactly. Whether it's writing or music or anything like that, you know . How many times have you thought of a melody or had a lyrical idea or something like that and then you don't do something about it and it's gone? Exactly. Doesn't happened to me because I take notes . On your laptop, though, I noticed you don't do it on your phone. You do it all in this giant laptop. How do you do that? If you're in the shower and you 're like, can't you go out and get your laptop out? I mean, you don't just grab your phone really quickly. No, I don't want to drip water across the bathroom floor. Sometimes you got it. What if it's a good enough shower thought? What if I step out and slip on the water and crack my head and then nobody never knows my thoughts? Because nobody never knows . It's pretty artistic though. It's the way to go. What is your wish if you die? With your art ? What do you hope? What do you want somebody to do with your art when you die ? Only put out the good things So they're good things, why haven't you put them on? They're all they're all great. I can't even knock you because everything I've heard is really good . So thank you . Thank you. I'm happy for you, though. You're talented. A lot of people think they're tal ented and they're not. You've skipped ahead in line. People that aren't talented are doing it though, and I've learned to not talk so much shit about people. That's not true I talk ed about people I haven't seen this side . I don't get as mad about it when I do think about that when I'm like, Oh, wow, this fucking person sucks. But then I'm like, Well, damn, they really like they're doing it. They're taking the time to put themselves out there. They're trying. I mean, I guess I don't think I've heard you say that about chaperone though. I feel like it's just all dogging Chop erone. Cheers to us, by the way. Reach over this mic. Yeah, I put it right there like share. Getting that time to write too. Like when you're so distracted and you're doing something and you're busy , you know, I mean you I more than I different ways of being busy, but for you, it's like, you know being, a dad and giving that time to like write notes you do that throughout your day when you're in the middle of cooking in the middle of doing something. Yeah. You're busy. I was thinking about this honestly after the last conversation we had and how I do feel stuck so often other times, especially creatively. And I feel stuck because of responsibilities that hold me back from achieving my goals. Like even if my goal is I'm going to learn a new song today , which I actually did recently . Learned it, and then I never played it again, which in itself is alone . Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, 'cause every time you learn a song, I'd learn the piano and then nothing ever happened A lot of when I feel busy and overwhelmed and it's more that I'm spending time worrying about the things that I need to worry about instead of executing the things I need to worry about, take care of them to free myself up. When there becomes so many things to worry and stress about and responsibilities , it's a lot of weight on your shoulders . And that weight alone is weight. Does that make sense? Of course. But then you add that extra level of it by worrying more about it rather than taking steps every day to relieve a little bit of that . It's how much time you get in your day to create, right? Like how much time in your waking day when you get that perfect moment , you can't really plan. Like when you get that time off, you finally are done, you're through your responsibilities, you finally get like five seconds to yourself to have it. Are you ready? Are you even like mentally? Do you have the wear at all? Well, are you asking me or are you just saying like for the generally and I'm asking you? Personally tap out at the end of the day. I feel like it's got to be common. No of course . Maybe it's too much green. Green is not a creative color. We took a couple days to go out and be away from the world a little bit to try to write and create and do stuff . It was so nice though. It was 'cause it's quiet. You don't have like the world on your shoulders, especially like you said, like when you're at home, even if you do have a free moment, like you're still in the space where life happens . Even if you're all alone, like you're still there, you're reminded of all the things in your day to day. So kind of removing yourself from that environment . I believe that the way we were received when we got there was a sign that 's like this is the right path. Like granted I felt like shit but we got there and it started snowing right after we unloaded. Like it was snowing in the mountain. We just loaded everything was perfect. We finally got comfortable and perfect. It was coming down. It was beautiful. It wasn't supposed to either. Yeah . And then just the next day, the snow melted and I started feeling better and then we actually wrote Yeah, you know, got a couple ideas but I feel like you got to be open to it and you gotta recognize when you start getting that burnout , you know, because there are signs. I feel like there's signs when I start feeling burnt out . Burned out. Kinda go on autopilot on sometimes like it's one of two ways you're other just get really stressed and you're you're feeling heavy, you're tired, you're weak That's empty. Or there's the other end where you're just existing, like you're floating by. Sometimes I have those moments too where like, I'm just on autopilot and you take in every news which is like kind of like Trump shit that we hear every day. Whether it's politics, whether it's law s, whether it's wars that are going on, it's like you just get like so overwhelmed. You just kind of flow by. It's like you're the craziest thing ever, but you don't even register. That hasn't been the entire goal of the last like shit, ten years. Desensitize. Desensitize, make the crazier shit normal. Are we actually immune to that in that moment when we know inside, we want to be creative . We have this urge like we got to get something out, but we're just so tapped out. Like we still know it. Of course we know. The people still know they're being hosed and lied to. Yeah. Of course, and it's like the added layer of how expensive everything is now. So you're working two jobs, but you're working all the time. That's another thing that just takes up your life. Like just to survive and make it. It keeps you down. It keeps you like we're creative beings. We're meant to create we're meant to drink, have food, laugh, have conversations, be social , like live. And you only get so many hours. Like you and I we have so much fun when we're talking when we're hanging out, chatting, whatever. But like you 've to figure out like we're coming out here and talking. Like we have to figure out a month ahead of time, weeks ahead of time when you can schedule a couple hours because it's like making money, doing these things, life responsibilities. If like money wasn't a factor , you know, yeah, if you're lucky enough, like some artists are, you know, good for them. That they've had that money from their family or you know , who's that? Some people have definitely had an easier time with it. And that makes you wonder like, does their art reflect that? Is there art any different because of it? Having the struggle , having the life behind it. Because if we all had money , my God, yeah, there's so much more time to do the things we want to do , but maybe there is something beautiful in that struggle, I guess. Yeah, I hope. I believe that coming from money, not having the same experiences that people like you and I have had Of course affects all of our stories affect our creative drive and our what we say artistically . Me personally, I've always felt deeper connected with myself and what it is I want to do creatively when I am on the low , when I'm either depressed, sad, run down . I very rarely ever am at the beach having a drink and playing volleyball or whatever. I don't play volleyball, but like catch football on the beach with my son, right? Like I feel like I'm super happy so I don't feel the urge to be creative . As much. You talk about the creativity for you really sparked from the low. The low. Some depression or some maybe not even depression. Melancholy Melancholy or solitude . Yeah , stillness low to you could even be just being alone. Being alone and wasn't that kind of fucked up when you think about it, like isn't that where you should be feeling super creative, should we feel when we're super happy? Because I get it, I agree. I'm the same way. Like yeah. And mine is like being depressed. Like when I'm depressed, I'm my most creative. Weirdly, I feel my most alive and it's this weird bal ancing act and I don't know if it's my generation if it was just being an adult. When I am depressed, sad, I feel a lot more reflective and nostalgic and look back on the past and mistakes I made or how I got here and it helps me kind of be grateful for where I'm at . Yeah. So it's almost like a balancing act of what I do to not pull myself out because I'm not pulling myself out, but just it's like medicine, my own medicine, you know, just talking myself through it. Just reflective. So for you, it's a reflective space. Like whether it's a good day, a bad day , anything, like it's when you're alone and you're reflecting on how it is and where you're at that it's you feel like most creative. Would you agree? Do you identify with that? Sometimes, I feel like when I have a really good day, I thought that was really interesting when you're talking about it that way because I feel like for me, not that I feel like everything I write is depressing, but I do feel most motivated when I'm sad when I'm overwhelmed. Like as more of an escape because like you're saying I'm really happy and I'm feeling good. I kind of lean into that and I just take that and I kind of want to ride it. So of course, I'm feeling good one night like I'm not gonna immediately should, but I don't just go and like do music. I never do that. If I'm feeling really good, I'm like, I'm another drink. I'm gonna take a gummy. Yeah. I'm just gonna ride this out I'm gonna listen to music. I'm gonna go on a wall is like is it you don't need that medicine right then? Yeah . But as an artist or somebody that's creating and you should be creating all the time shouldn't we be doing it from all aspects of our mind too . I mean, I feel like everyone's different, but I think what probably what's really most common is to do it well balance. Yeah . Am I making sense for right now? I mean it's hitting right now for me a little bit . So I forgot how long I was talking. What are you looking at? Uh , just looking at my notes. Yeah. What's on your notes? Preventive measures . Preventative measures like what are you talking preventative for what? What am I preventing? Burnout. Oh Jesus Christ . Can you prevent I mean, yes. I'll see work less hours. I can't I need money , I need to eat. Okay, so would you don't ever say to yourself when you're being creative in some way . And say you're working on Ableton, you're building a song . You never say like, oh, I need a break, but I'm not, I'm just gonna keep going of course. Okay, of course That that thought of like I need to take a break. That's your self telling yourself, like, take a break, right? Yeah . So you don't do that. You don't take a break. I'll take breaks, for sure. So what I was like being a break. I don't like being uncomfortable. The second thing gets uncomfortable for me, I'm like, I don't wanna do anymore. So what are the breaks? What do you do? Breaks, you get up and take a walk. You usually go on a walk. Oh, day, thank you. Take a walk. Take a walk. Yeah, preventative measure be taking a walk . It's so boring. It's okay, but it works . Sometimes it's time to think about it. Think just getting out at any capacity. Going to the cabin, that's like more my vibe, like getting out , out . You made us going to walk there too. Yeah . Absolutely. Walk wherever. Okay, good to see you. We got cruised a little bit. One that walk Definitely run keningpt him. Yeah . Can't escape the gays, no matter where you go up to the mountains, the highest point away from everyone. It was a very gay little town though . I feel like I saw little like rainbow flags, really. Really? Besides the toy shop, that dude knew nothing about being gay. No . But yeah, there's flags in people's homes and the shops and stuff. Pay attention to that . You don't? It wasn't looking. I mean, I do I would In mean't, I was look for it, but it was very prominent. It was easy to see. Yeah . I think the whole weekend was like a haze to me. Different air from whatever. It was a haze, ladies and gentlemen. Using someone I don't know if that's good. No, haze good haze. Haze is not a bad thing, right? I think of like a film that's on your windshield that you have to wipe away . I think of it as like a haze blocks you from fully see okay mayingbe not Haze more like a no maybe it's appropriate dreamy Haze might be appropriate. I get it yeah because it masks like it kind of covers up reality . Are you following this? I hypnotized . Follow my fingers. Wait, what were we watching recently where we got hypnotized ? Oh, the lyr ic video for Madonna's new song That's got you hypnotized. It was so flashy. I felt like I was gonna ask Seizure. Seizure. I was gonna have an episode. Rest is the other thing, by the way. Rest. When I feel burned out , rest. Well, yeah, naturally. Simple walk and rest. Walk and rest, but you're not always able to sleep or completely rest too well, you know? What happens on those nights too ? Burn out and then you're not sleeping. Wait, on the nights of you what? Burnout? No, just speaking in general not so literally . Rest is important . I don't know if we get enough of it when you think you are, right? When you're just chilling, but then you pull out your phone. I know my brakes are like just pulling my phone out. Sometimes I'm immediately going to reels or immediately going to something and I'm like, is that really resting your mind? Poison. You're not resting. Your brain's still processing and comparing and doing all that kind of stuff. Scrolling is poisoned as you're scrolling on your laptop? I was scrolling my notes. Okay, you're right, fair fair . But we're not getting we don't we don't do notes. We don't need notes. I have notes. I have notes right down there . It's trying to navigate your own mind doing a conversation a podcast talking off of the top your head without a script . Just not about a script? Yeah, no , no, never said a script either. Notes. Notes. No notes are important. It's like the same thing as a reminder throughout my day. I don't think I can throw up my day without giving myself some type of structure or I'll forget everything . I think you and I can get off into the weeds about literally anything. Anything. But it's funny that you say you need structure ? Yeah . I don't like it, but I need it. I fought it my whole life, you know. Wouldn't like do homework or turn anything in unless there was consequences or like, you know , being held to it or so you had trouble. You weren't the kid that would do stuff because you knew something was good on the other side. Like you would be rewarded for it. You'd only do it if you're like, oh, fuck I'm gonna get in trouble. I wanted something that I wanted to do what felt good in the moment, which I still kind of something to live by do it. Yeah, I like what feels good . But why shouldn't we be allowed to do that? It's not hurting anybody . I think that there's a lot. That's a whole edible conversation about falling into society and what shaped society, right? Religion, all these weird opinions , these rules . And at the end of the day we're all just humans, right? We're all just creating. We're all trying to get by and figure it out. So yeah, enjoying what feels good. Really limiting yourself. Yeah . It is kind of wild when you think about how our societies have and I say more because I feel like there's like all around the world. Like every society has a way that you're expected to live . I don't know, but that's why gays are so challenged because what do you think a look at any culture, any religion, like anywhere the gays are fucking fun. There's a party, there's music, there's sex, there's art, there's culture, there's drinking, there's food. Like all the things that make a human. That's why you want to go back to the abbey? Ugh, the lack there lacking all of that. No , no , maybe Maybe I forgot what they're drinking Coffee, coffee . Coffeefey. No, it's the fucking gays . The gays bring it and we challenge people and we challenge each other. Like gays are fucking hard on each other about all types of things, right? About every type of conversation. I mean they're very critical . But that being said , who's more free than us. Gays and the gays . You know, I had not. I wasn't ready for that, so I don't know how to respond to it. But I don't disagree with you. There's a reason for me saying it, right? We're talking about Yeah, it's rules being a human, right? Work till you die, have babies . But that's what life should be. Life should be about having with people you want to have fun with that's what life should be about. Of course . It shouldn't be about I have to devote my life to worshiping something or believing in something. Should feel good. You should believe in your family. Lieve in your family, you should believe in yourself. You should believe in doing the greater good for your community . Yeah . And that would just be is not the horse? And have fun and just be a human, like live, like live like we only have one life. But all of this means like without hurting somebody else. And I think that's where it gets messy because some people are like, that hurts me 'cause there's expected marriage equality hurts my marriage. You know what I mean? Like that kind of shit. Well, that shit I don't care about, but there's other aspects. There's definitely like and that does hurt those kinds of people . Those are just yeah, those are all different kinds of conversations, right? Different views on marriage, different views on monogamy, different views on art, on music, on whatever, right? So I think it's not having expectations of people like what those things you're going to get burned out on. Yeah, of course you can . Of course you can. Interesting. It's not just being creative. But I think the best way to avoid burnout is not limiting, you know, not having those limiting beliefs Like we do it's so easy to put yourself into a box We all do. You mean limiting beliefs like imposter syndrome? That too. Yeah, like limiting just limiting yourself, right? It's so easy to limit ourselves. And giving into that, I'm tired. I'm this, like the rules that we put on ourselves. When it's like, are there really like do we, you know? Well, being hired is not a rule. What's the rule? Give me an example of what rule we put on ourselves . The rule you put on yourself. No, I mean, just like expectations or being on yourself and giving into that. Like, I'm not feeling creative today. I'm not doing this, whatever, but getting down and like just pulling yourself up, even if you're tired, of course, you know, you need to sleep, you need to relax, you need to you're saying so like get through your feeling like I'm not really into that. So just pull yourself up by the bridge and do it. No, or just do something, you know, don't just don't just like burn out, feel like you can't do it and then give up. Like that's when you would take your walk, right? That's when you would, yeah, but just save it and ground yourself. Yeah, not get lost and lost in the sauce, you know? Easy. Lost in the sauce in the sauce. Who sauce depends . And being free. Just being I know n it doesn't make sense to burn out, but being free to me it does because it's like it's the opposite of just like limiting crash, hitting a wall, just letting yourself be free, like just open up , challen ge yourself . Anything can be true. Not everything is exactly what we make it out to be. We're not burnt out about the things that we're burnt out about. So it makes sense. Twice sound high, probably, but do you feel like you can be challenged when you are kind of a solitary creature as a normal practice like for you , I think you and I were very similar before we met , it's not that we were hermits . Like I got out all the time. I did stuff all the time , but it wasn't I wasn't really engaging with many people. I would talk to a family on the phone. I would talk to my family directly, maybe some school events, like , but there was not like I wasn't having real friendships. I think that you were probably leading to just feeling isolated and could have do you feel like you can grow? When you're alone , you're challenged in that environment I think to an extent in your own box, right? Like when you're in your own mind, like you can challenge yourself with thoughts and ideas you can stay in your head, which is what I did for like three years straight. I was just staying in my head and I was like, What if what would this be like daydreaming? Like all these ideas of what it would be like to do Ableton? What would it be like to go out and actually and go meet people, go talk, go get a drink, like, just be a human being. And you see you can only grow so much, I think, in that space, but you need to go outside into the world and let yourself you have to. And that's it was interesting how you and I met in that way of , I didn't trust you when I first met you. I know you were. You messaged me, and I was like, you know, you're chatting. Talking about that. Yeah. Because we were talking about photography, right? meeting in person was like, Hey, you're super fl flakakyy. I was , yeah. Yeah. And but that was me like coming out of that world, right? Like twenty one myself. I was doing the photography thing and I was like, I am going to apply myself and really follow up with people and you were one of the very few who would actually follow up with me . But that's what I mean. Like and since then I feel for me I have grown in a way and pushed myself in a way of just even just changing my mindset . I don't know if I've been, I mean, I have been more productive and have a few more things that I have to show for that as far as songs or ideas or drafts or I do have more of those since I met you than I did in the past five years . But I feel like that was a turning point for me feeling more challenged to be creative. Yeah . Because I was like I had a burnout and then I stayed in that burnout for years . And it's like, how do you pull yourself out of it? And I think you and I met maybe for a reason on that level, obviously go look where we're at, right? But because you sometimes can't pull it out of yourself completely, but maybe you're inspired by seeing somebody else. Maybe being around somebody that is like you, you can kind of see yourself in somebody, right? And that goes to shows. We have this age gap. We have completely different lives, different lifestyle, but it doesn't matter because like deep down at the core of who we are as people , we recognize like a longing in us for something that we should be doing, right? And you talk about it, you let you open up. It inspires you. I don't know. I wish I was half of tuned as tuned in as you are I was not on my shit at all at your age . I was partying, I wasn't really putting myself into big and creative. I was just working my job. It was a fun job. You were working pretty hard. It was a big job. But it was like, I got to go to the studio at night. I got to take people out to dinner on the company credit card, like I got to do fun shit like cool people out to dinner, you know, like artists and other writers and producers and whatever. Like it was a fun gig, but I wasn't doing anything for me . I wasn't focusing on being creative for me at all . And seeing where you are at right now, but you also just have this really well put together way of thinking, I was not in a headspace it . I think that's not at all. I was like, let's go out and party. That's where I'm trying to get to every one to do. I'd prefer to feel the other way. I think I'd prefer to be partying than being like at home so introspective about life and introspective that's a good way of saying it, I guess. Yeah, I feel very introspective. And I think that's also just being a product of your environment, right? Again, environments, we removed ourselves to the cabin to be in a different environment. My life environment has been, yeah, being this age, sure. Maybe I haven't related to a lot of my peers and people my age . Maybe due to my early life experience, who knows. But I think what connects people my age and everyone's age, really everyone, but primarily people my age is just that the progression of the world, how quickly things are changing. Like it's like a snowball. It's getting faster and faster and bigger and bigger. And like I say it all the time at like you know being twenty one , right? In the pandemic, like not still never being adult. It made me even more isolated, made me even more in my head. And so I think I've developed in certain ways where you think I'm doing so much of this age ? But then it's like me, I feel like they complete opposite. It's like I've been living here and now I'm finally in meeting you and making friends or moving and back to California and being around people and around life again , it's like showing me that I need to get out of here and like grow into the world a little bit more. Well, I would imagine there's a feeling of like you're making up for lost time too. Yeah. Like you got a, you got to hustle. Who was it that was talking about people today don't want to work and how younger generations don't feel like working. I feel like that's every old man says that I wasn't having I was a bystander. I felt like you were having it with someone. Oh, you were like there. I was there. I wasn't having a conversation. Probably. But that's my point. Young folks don't want to work. But that's not true. We don't because we're working away and we're making no fucking money doing it. And then so there's a difference between working and hustling , obviously. Yeah, yeah, sure. I think it's a state of mind. Working, we all got to work, but hustling, that's just like a mentality. Like it's a gym bro. What are you hustling for? For the bread. Well, what's the bread? The money that you changed. The bread for the for the like work for the But there's like levels of complacency versus versus hustle. I don't know, where do you get lost in between ? This was where the podcast could go on forever and ever and ever through the hustle ever. Through the hustle and through the grind. But it's what can you do each day to make it comfortable for you . Give it the old man the loose one. They give me the young spry mic. I can move it anywhere stiff your nose . We actually covered a lot of 'em. Did we? Preventive measures like taking a walk, recognizing it , imposter syndrome . Like what is what do you do for recovery ? Rediscovering what it is that made you fall in love with your whatever your passion was. Yeah. When you feel that burned out like or when you're starting to feel totally burnt out and tired and uninspired. Yeah , remember why you're there. Go for a walk, remember why you're there. Maybe watch old movies, do something that just feels safe and allows you to not have to think about the future. Yeah. It inspires you enough to at least know you, it's giving you art, it's giving you. My problem is when I start to get to that place, I double down. Yeah . And then I stress out. I'm like, I got to clean this, I gotta do this. I see it. I gotta go shopping. Well, and all those things do have to happen is that I see it in. I see it in you. You can get hard for you to sit still. My feet are concrete floors and my feet are just like . But even before that, I feel like you 've got thoughts. I can see my doctor Shoe, boom, boom Yeah. I wouldn't change it for anything, though. You don't is when you partake. That's the best time ever 'cause then it's just like, yeah, I got myself a joffrey . Have you had your Joffrey today ? Take your joffrey. Take your joffrey. That's the advice, the moral of all this is when you have a creative block, you take a j ob right . You'll either be very creative or you'll spiral, have a panic attack, one of the two. Oof . Those are never fun though. A weed induced panic attack? An Ubi. An Ubi. Call it an Ub Uibi You had one that was. Yeah. Well, we both were Yeah, but I wasn't sprawled out on the floor. When I came back, you were you were like on the floor just laying on your back. Was I really? Yeah , I feel like I took a couple pictures of you like that. I'm pretty sure that's how you ended up in that pose or your leg is up and you're like this I feel like so much has happened in one year . It seems weird to me that's like we've been a year. I feel like I've lived many , even in being at the cabin for a few days in a creative mindset, away from the world, away from like responsibilities, that alone to me felt very short, but also felt like multiple seasons for some reason and like one weekend for me. It's like amazing how much can change in that. You know , the year before I was working in a job I hated and that year went by like but it's changed because you've made it change. Yeah. I had to had to worked hard at making a minimum wage job and being exactly I said burnout. Like I work with clients all day and by the time I finally get home , like I didn't I bought a bulletin, I didn't touch it. I didn't want to learn it. I didn't want to take any classes. I just wanted to get high and go to bed with my cat and wake up and then replace it. It's the dream. It is the dream except there was no life and I was fat and I was depressed and you still look good when you were fat though. Oh, this is where we'll flash up a picture on the screen comparison. Joffrey. Fat yeah, skinny joffrey. I just did another comparison, another Instagram gay comparison on my phone. I'm Islam. There's nothing for you to look at. Oh don't worry. Keep pointing down there. He's right down here. Your nozzone. Good let's hope people can say goodbye. Say goodbye, yeah. Hopefully people can leave without being like, oh God, I'm so depressed. That was so sad. Why do I want to sit here and watch a couple of miserable faggets talk about ? Because it's life isn't just a happy and sad sometimes. I wish there was more conversations that I could listen to and identify and be like, okay, I'm not alone. Oh, maybe I'll try that, whatever, similar to the way you listen to music. Yeah. Like I want more artists that are like Patty Griffin and John Denver who can sit down with a guitar and tell a story and just make me get lost in their voice and their words. I think for us like I'm okay with being chill. Like if you want to be boring, let's be boring. Yeah. I think we just want to invite people in to talk about. I don't think we're I think we're not boring. We're first on. Of course we're not going to think that. What other people are saying we're I just get to be here and be having a conversation and if they want to join in on it, they can. See, you don't care. No, we don't care. Follow us we make a fuck. No, fuck about shit. No . I feel like that's the moral of this whole episode is do we, you know, how much fucks are you willing to give ? How many fucks do I give? You don't always give a fuck , but you definitely give a fuck . Me? Everybody. Me. Yeah, if you didn't give a fuck, you wouldn't care. I don't give a fuck. Yeah, my crash. Not caring is not cool. Willie crashing out on the last episode? Which one? Or our last episode? Of what? When I was just crashing out the podcast. What? She said, I gotta watch that because I don't feel like you were crashing out. Oh my gosh. Really? You really felt like you crashed out? Oh my god, yeah, it was like I felt like I was like soaking, I was sweat.ing Really? And what was up? Maybe whatever it was like you gave to me and just like my older immune system wasn't able to fight it off but you sweat it out in here and that's why I've been sick ever since No. You're trying to kill the old guy? No., fucked up Did you know that you could actually be my son though? I could ask my mom about this. Any gay man that my mother has slept with? I'm forty seven, right? You're twenty seven. Yeah . You could definitely have been my father. That's around at twenty years old. Age is no thing for me. Courtney. I'm not an agist . You on the other hand, he's an agist. Agist.es An aist. Yeah , in what way I don't I feel like I'm more apt to dislike younger people. Agent. Agest because I like you could be an ages the other way. So with not being a cradle Robert, but like a I could be an ages if I'm like you're too young . Yeah, you're an agist . I didn't say you were an elder hater Like an elder chaser . You do kind of go for them at the gym. Yeah, the older guys, the dads at the gym are like that one handsome guy and then you saw him outside the window get into his car and you were like, oh, maybe not . They're cute from far away . Some of them are here They're really handsome. Yeah, no, he was he's a handsome guy. The military dads, they're kind of they're kind of cute Aren't you? Some of them . So you realize, you know, what they who they really are they're the black and gray American flag that tells you who they are or the red hat? I don't see the red hat much anymore. I really don't. I really want woman who wears the black one . Yeah. Not usually I don't even see it. Which isn't even kind of chicken shit. You're like, you want to wear that hat but you're too chicken shit to make it red. I can make it red. I want to know I want to see you from a mile away that turned off my god. It's like fucking shivering. See the Arctic tundra on here? It is cold in here. It's better than being hot . Is it ? Yeah . It's fresher when it's cold, I guess. You know, I used to have these breakouts on my chin that were like golf balls and they would get all infected. Golf ball . Yeah, they were boils, I guess . Have you ever had one? No, they were so painful and hard and they wouldn't pop. They would just go away. How old were you? Teens. Like puberty. That'll do it. Yeah , no . No, luckily. Just make contagious acne. Follow us on Instagram. Follow us on what else do we have? YouTube , you can listen to us wherever your friendly podcasts are streamed. Yeah. Facebook. FaceTimer over here, he's got Facebook. We got Facebook for the elders out there. And Real's and Instagram that's where my generation will be. But see, I thought Real's was kind of cheesy too, though. I thought TikTok was the only way to go. No TikTok is lame. TikTok sucks. The young generation thinks TikTok, TikTok is cool. No , that ages you right now that alone, I feel like it would be like, I feel like the younger generation loves TikTok. No Why does everybody love the babies? I feel like the young young ins love TikTok, but they're the ones that shouldn't be on to. Well, yeah, the people that are like mass mentality, but I feel like reels are where people that are down for some awful fucked up humor or some crazy fucked up bullshit. Death, fighting. I don't get into death anymore. You don't get that on TikTok? No. It's so censored what you can get on there. I love a good fist fight. I like to see someone get knocked out. Oh, if there's one on Twitter that's like real street fights or something. Yeah. I get sucked into it for an hour hours and that's like, what are you watching? It's just people screaming and yelling at each other. Well, the stuff you send me very different. We send each other very, you know, I send each other like gym stuff but I don,'t't even I didn said you half of the stuff that chopped my mind. I think why you out? I don't know, I just think you wouldn't You would not freak me out. What are you talking about? When you request a request for when I when I pass away, it's that you clear my history and that you 're gonna broadcast that. I'm gonna read every website . You don't look through my likes and you just clear my likes and I saved, especially the saved go through there. Or remember that when we're driving home and I'm playing music on your phone . No, never again, locked. You're limited to my Apple Carplay. All right, I need a snack. Let's get you a snack. Let's have some snack. All right, it's been real. Peace out, musky trunks , bottoms up . What was that? I was trying to get my trunks out sound . But they're too far up there. I got to wedge you. They're all the way down there. No miskies