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New episodes every Monday on the exactly right network. Listen, do you need a ride on the IiHart Radio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts Hell Hello and welcome to reewwind with Karen in Georgia. This is the show where we step into the past through our old episodes and we emerge from the other side with brand new feelings, case updates, and more. Today we're rewinding episode one hundred three, which we named Live at the Belboa Theater in San Diego. God, this was a good j. It was. was so good This episode originally came out january eleventh, twenty eighteen. All right, let's listen to the intro of episode one hundred three There's an exit there. There's two back there, and of course there's one right over there There you go. house, right, stage left. There you go. And of course, we brought the rug that my great grandmother ove on a loom. Yes, this is the Kilgara family rug. It was handed down from Galway, Ireland all the way down to It's beautiful It's beautiful. Godome bless. It's just gorgeous and it's and then I just spilled my nail polish that I justainted literally just painted my nails with backstage. George and I sayay a pre show prayer. This is insider information for locals only This is not a joke because you like you guys are atheists. No. we really say a prayer. We really say a prayer. Tonight we said a prayer to the oceans and the local manicurists. Yep start talking, and then at some point someone goes, Amen. Yeah. And so I just painted my nails and wented to grab my hands. I know we actually started the prayer. All right. And then I went to say something we were like trying to be fake, spiritual. It's what we do. And at one point I went to say something, you just goes, Watch the fingers This for me 'cause I don't give a shit. No,'s for the show, you're right. It's for the people. No, I don't want it to get all over your hands. Oh theseese old things. Look, my hands are covered in pen and worry It's sun damage, some some gappp jeans die because I'm never not going like this It's great to be here in San Diego Is this new? Did you just write? you just wrotite this? Is this gonna be your new thing? This my new thing? Eileen? Oh my God This is local Georgia. You're from nearby. I'm from nearby. I like you guys better than my hometown better than my h toown too. Oh. where everyone's happy. Let's raate the entire United States right now The last time I was in San Diego actually was for Comicon 've been and I got in a huge screaming fight with my friend in either the gaslight or the gas lamp district and Either the gaslight or I can't hear that e. I than you it's the gas lamp district because the gas lightric district is where people take you to convince you that your thoughts are wrong. Right.'t go there in a fight about. Don't go there. That's right She was doing that. She was gaslamping me the gasl We should gaslamp the shit out of you? We're friends now, it's fine If anyone witnessed it, congratulations. Remember that private memory of Georgia's that none of us were there for Sie so I'm really happy that this is the last one now when I're're making new memories all the time. Right. San Diego, I went to Beelba with Theater instead of I got in a screaming fight, you know what I mean? Yeah. The last time I was here, I just had a really mediocre set of comedy. So I also apologize for my last My last experience here in San Diego, I didn't deliver any of the goods. I mean, they should apologize to you. I feel the same but they probably brought it Am I wrong? I brought it in my special way that only certain people would care about. Luckily, I've accessed that audience now. We found them back in twenty two thousand eight. noobody was having it. It was a different time. It was a different time. material. That's right. All this, you know. I don't wantan to look, but are my spankx past my knees right now? That's what it feels like and tell her Oh no, they're right there I gave up on those motherpackers a long time ago. I thought I had Capri spanks on for a second. Meehighs? It scared me. Meehi sppanks? Mee highigh Spanks. Why isn't that a thing? Some girls and guys hate their calves. That's true. Mehigh spankx. Yeah, Oh my god, calf only sppankx might be a niche that we get rich on That's, but that's ours. That's ours under graduated from the zoo in nineteen sixteen I sure I went back to my old cage, it was great You're free now He not he's in this zooom. We keep him caged. That's why it took a minute to open the cage. so it took a minute to get out here. I just shoe him out. Hes way in the corner. all like, no that is's good. Now, Stehven, you're a local. Yes, I'm from Southern California San Diego. That seem sarcastic it's real. Yeah. We believe you. Yeah. Any last message for San Diego? stay stay sexy. Oh you. Get your own fuc insane. He steals our motto right in front of us. And then we walk off. That's it. Well He just ended the show What if we were like that? I mean, we're going to be very soon. Look at this. Huge shows of people come to see a podcast. This is nuts. What are you doing? You guys. Thank you for making this our job. We love it. Stpid. I used to do work with food stuff and that's really cool 'cause I love food, but then you have to write like a new recipe for fuckking Super Bowl every year. It was like, what are you supposed to do with fuckking buuffalo chicken? There's no other way to make it a thing. Let's hear some options right now. What would you do? Buffalo chicken, dip, Buffalo and chicken planers, Buffalo and chicken fuck. No, let's change it up a little bit It's impossible. Buffalo chicken pudding Karen, you should be at Buffalo putting jello I don't know what it put into a jello mold. Y and then hide it in someone's mailbox. It's different Ething is a different thing boy was and then yesterday I was like, murder, I can't find murder.ere's a murder? And' like, Oh my God, my life is so much cooler now. that it was like, I love food, but I've loved true creame and I didn't realize it was gonna be a job. And then I was like, o my Godd. 'a then you see all the food bloggers who were like, here's a new recipe for Thanksgiving thing. New thing to put stuffing in? Good luck. stop it. Oh, haazelnuts, you blew my mind That was a rant. When you really went off on really did. I mean, here's the problem. We drove down from LA today. Normally we have all kinds of travel anecdotes and funny, hilarious things of how this city is different than our city. And we're just like, Sh we go back tonight or just stay? This not this is a little bit hometowny for us. We're just Yeah. This is a lot like You know what we're saying? It's like LA, but here's the thing. Pe here Don't give a shit. and that rules Itul ustry it's like in the chillest way possible. You're not like in the industry, really care. You make movies about pot or whatever.. Yeah ye. I saw a guy that when we were driving through and from the head up, he looked like my friend's dad and I was like, whoa. But then from the neck down, he was dressed like a nineteen year old surfer and I'm like That's not Christine's dad. It can't be him. He wouldn't have changed that much. M quickly. Maybe you went into the what's it called when they hide you when you're in the cop Protection program. m this protection program. What do you call it when they hide you? This is my favorite murder, by the way. Oh It's really good point. This is my favorite m. I wanted to say so after I tripped over the word's Witness prrotection program we are highly qualified true crime podcaster. Yeah. That's Georgeia Hart Stark. That's Karen K We actually now like to say that to our audiences before we start because we know that sometimes people bring outsider, we'll call them outsiders to the show. Pony booys and soda pops and whatnot. bring them to the show. And they sit here and they listen to us blather about fucking nothing and then like I'll say pockets and everyone start screaming like stuff is going on And we feel bad for you and we're sorry and we know the majority of your are men and you're like, what is happening to my spouse? to the Ashers too, by dudes. Yeah Yeah. So yeah, we just so you know, like we talk about true crime, which is very dark and horrifying, but then we also make jokes, which is highly inappropriate. And we know, you don't need to let us know. We know. Yeah, we know. If my mom's told me, then I know. It's in there. And I'm purposely doing otherwise just to piss her off. That's right. Be we're always fourteen. That's true. Right? Yeah. I it. U Anything to wrap up? Any other question? No No, I guess that that's all I got. You got those allergies going again? F at least this time I brought a tissue and didn't have to blow my nose on my skirt or the tablecloth, which I've done before. I feel like you have blown your nose on every surface of anything in this country. It some of the major theaters in this country. justust don't care anymore. Yeah, you know. It's a great feeling. Nonow a good allerg is Please let me know. Email it, email it And thank you in a dance for helping me. Do you one allergist just Yeah, that's right. reactive tissue. That's not what I would just do. Do you want to show everybody your shoes real quick? Oh sure. You wear it I hate how ys and those look Thank you. They're only mildly painful They belong in the gaslight district, if anything, they do. They really do. Can I do the thing? They're then t? They are and that's why they're more comfortable is because someone wore them for years and then I put them on my feet. It's disgusting. Some old Italian lady wore them for like forty years. were her church shoes And now on summertime, we're letting it up in them. Yeah. What's her name? Oh of you mean Gian Carla? Rosetti? Yes. That's right. So bad at improvising Italian women's names. Yeah, we've always said that about you. I know. I have to take that class at UCB Should we sit down? Yes. ye. Oh Director's chairs Director's chairs in San Diego. We're gonna tell you guys what to do. Then a directing, directing. Is that how it works? I think so. and then you just like and then you just pack it up and walk the fuck away. That's the nice part. We get to keep these. Did you hear T go You said so just now. Y. herery. Okay. to go with the rug Beverages, didid you guys just see me try to talk into this? I just tried to this. Beverages are opened and that's You know, the show's starting as the waters are open and I'm trying to talk into it. Right now the song guy' watching you hold a bott of water that close to a mic. Fair enough, consummate. professional. Pfessional Guys. Someday I'm gonna get some tights that are the same color as my dress For maybe ones you just don't notice. And then I won't bring all of George's hair with me on my dress to show you that's my dog, strangers. Oh in George's hair, you are so sorry George's hair this shit. Yeah I like didn't know I was like losing all my hair like that all over you. Oh yeah, clumps of it are coming out I just didn't wantan to talk about. But I just didn't know. Yeah. And then you just said it and I was like, Ohh, that's so funny. Who goes first? It's me. Okay It's time to talk about all the things you're not supposed to talk about. And we're back. The gas lamp quarter. There we go. That's the one. Well, we're over therapized, so we're in the gaslight corridor. You were aware of it. I didn't I should have known that one, but what are you gonna do? The gaslight coraror. Yeah It's intense, but it's really fun. It is. Now, if I rememberered this correctly, we stayed in San Diego because we were in like a high rise hotel. Yeah by the harbor. Yeah, with a gorgeous view. Yeah. We didn't go home that night. That would have been dangerous. In my room, it felt very like an eighties psychological thriller. It was very blue and white with huge windows overlooking like the the harbor. Oh, like like like Miami Vice episode. Like a very like. I should have tried to ask like the bell hop to get me a kilo of cocaine. You know what I mean? Really get into it. we've only done really rad stories in San Diego too. Like remember the one that you did about the guy who drove a tank stole a tank. I remember when that happened, but I mean, not the way those guys, that was like, you know, that was a whole room full of people's hometown. That's the luckiest story you can tell. Well, I think the one I do this time around like it's one of those stories where I'm like Okay, I decided to do it and now I have to wait for a live show, but I can't wait to tell you. And if you pick it before I do it, I'm gonna lose my mind. So I just really want to just do it now, but I have to save it for San Diego. You know what I mean? Yp, I know. We have to get real strategic. We've learned a lot over the years. At what point did podcasting start feeling like a real job instead of a lucky accident Say it with me, the network Oh, yeah. rightight Absolutely. But I was like when touring became nonstop. Yeah yeah yeah ye we got into a touring loop and it we were just never not touring and it was when it was I think we got U I was going to say strun out But I mean, like wrg out. Yeah. I mean, I think it just like you can't do that much work. Yeah and traveling. especially because I had left my old like life up doing food stuff because I was so sick of traveling to like Yeah, you guys had to travel all over. Yeah. It was part of it. and I was like, okay, I want something else where I can be home with my cat and then it's suddenly like guuess what? You're going be even more and Vince is coming with you. so you have to leave him with Stehven, which is you know, obviously fine, but disruptive, but at least it' how to come. It was just hard, you know, It was just like There was the pile got higher and higher than the book We were doing a lot of stuff at one time. I think this was like a real peak, it peaks out here in the next couple years. And then look We didn't know what the world didn't know. COVID was waiting for us to sit down and shut up. That's right. I couldn't have come at a better chance. I'm sorry to say it because I know it it's definitely a place of privilege, but I felt Yeah Like it saved my brain. I got to spend Elvis's last like year and a half. with him every day. which was like so meaningful to me. The whole experience was just so so absolutely surreal. It was like all these things were happening and then it's like shhutting down the world. Yeah. The world was like, sit down and shut up. Yeah, take a seat And we're like, okay. And then we're like, okay, and we won't get up for about six more years. Right. And I'm atrophied my butt. Yeah. All right, your story is a fucking classic and it's so good. Let's get into it, shall we? Yes, please. Okay, here's Karen's story about Betty Brodrick ! And guess who I'm gonna talk about, Betty Brodderick I was so excited when I put together, well really when Stehven sent me, Stehven send us like lists of choices that we could have. Every city we go to, he's very thorough and each get different choices so we don't overlap wonderful system. And when I saw Betty Broderick's name on my list, I was like, oh fuck yey, I forgot she lived down there. I have seen every single Fucking forensic files, twenty twenty, nightline, every single I've seen this woman all my life. The full house episode, she was She Oh I'm saying that because I don't know who she is off the top of my head. So when I find out I'm gonna be like, o, I'm really bummed I made that j. Bob Hope Young comomediian special where she nailed that seven minute set I mean, she's just been in my life. No, you do know her I bet. I'm sure, but I don't know names Well, and'll just tell you about it. but That that' be great. All of most of my information from of course Wikipedia. God bless them. I use them daily won't give him a dime Just kidding, donate That's what my father used to say when I would walk in and he would be watching PBS at night. and I'd be like, what are you watching? He'd be like, Nova for free That was his big brag. I've never given him a dim. Oh my God Hilarious. We He's never listened me to this episode. He can't, We have to burn this the second that we're done U But I got some really good information from a podcast called Once Upon a Crime that you guys probably listen to, hosted by Esther Ludlow Elizabeth Anne Broderick grew up in the New York City suburb of East Chester. She was the third of six children born to avout two devout Roman Catholic parent Her mother was Irish American and her father was Italian American That's a bad combination, by the way. I don't know if Are there any Irish Italians here 'cause they're it's not good. It's not right? You're a lunatic, right? They're screaming. Super repressed, but then you also scream all the time, like nothing makes sense Vigglas were very strict parents. and as Betty you later recall, she was trained to act as a housewife since the day she was born. Go to Catholic schools, be careful with dating until you find a Catholic man, supportpp him while he works, be blessed in your later years with beautiful grandchildren. That was pass. H pass No. What's my other option? I guess like snort cocaine in a small room until you die Yes, I think that one. She graduates from East Chester High School in nineteen sixty five and that same year when she was seventeen, she traveled to Indiana with her friend to go watch Notre Dame. Really? We're in San Dgo Pretend you're from San Diego Pay it cool. Just kidding. G go d noter dame. U She goes to see a noty nameame football game with her friend and there she meets a man named Dan Brodderick. He was born in Pittsburgh. He was the eldest son of a large Irish Catholic family. Oof All Irish Catholic, you're done for. That's where I'm from. Not good. Okay. He wasn't as tall or athletic as the boys that Betty was used to dating because she was gorgeous, you know, like had her choice of men, but he lavished her with attention from the second that they met he doted on her. So she graduates from the College of Mount Stain. Vincent in the Bronx where she majored in early childhood education. and She and Dan Date, and then on april twelfth, nineteen sixty nine, they are married. They honeymon in the Caribbean. and very soon after they return from the honeymoon, she finds She's pregnant. That's right. You guys. You Italians and you, Irish Just get started right, Oh away. Get those babies don't get to know each other at all That's exactly it. She's like, what's your favorite movie ing. So he was finishing up his medical degree at Cornell, and they're so poor that they have to move into the dorms together. This isn't there's a re enactment that I watched recently and it's two actors playing the two of them and they sure it's great. Wal It's amazing. It's such good acting. And some really great bing also because they walk into this dorm room . It's my thing. I love it. There You can really give a lot with your back if you're a good backor U I'm gonna go to acting class. You should, you should. because that's how you become a great extro. I've done that, right is you just you really let people know something's going on that way I' there's definitely me walking away in the background in a camera in TV shows and shit. For real? just wal walking past and walking away. What do you mean? I was an extra. Oh, oh Oh, I thought something happened. like I What How did you get this bar? Well it was in full house? Sorry, go on, that was irrelevant. Wait was that in nineties thing that you did when you moved to LA when you moved into the city? Clueless the TV show. Yes. Darma and Greg Did wereere you one of the people in their living room? You know I had someone in the corner hiding every episode. You you guys didn't know that? It's like a girl hider in the living room. And then some stupid shit, other stupid shit Well, congratulations. I think you it was really a highlight of my life. I bet. Did you did you get to wait for like eighteen hours? eighteen hours, ye. Eat hard boiled eggs and backed it up. Right. Okay Excuse me, goodbye. Oh, and Joan of Arcadia. Wha Yeah Joan of Arcadia. Oh. you mean the actress? No, the storyline Like just tell me the whole series arc really quick. I was on it, I didn't watch it. You didn't write it? I didn't write it. I don't understand how any of it works. Okay. In this reenactment, Okay, Betty and Dan walk in and they have to move into a legit dorm room with a married couple and she's pregnant. It's the saddest thing I've ever seen. Like one of those dorm rooms with the cement blocks as walls where you can't put up your poster unless you get that spepecial gum adhesive, like dark dark times for Dan and Betty. So Their daughter Kim was born in nineteen seventy and a second daughter Lee is born the next year. Guys, Irish twins Um Dan finishes medical school and then tells Betty he's decided that he's what? now? Sorry. I didn't mean stop. You meant like you don't like where this headed Yeah Dan's now going to get his law degree. because he's decided that he's going to be a medical malpractice lawyer. that's where the money is at U he was all about. And so He had to get a student loan. He goes to Harvard Law And Betty starts working. She's two kids and working so that he can go through law school. Honey. after four years. He graduates and he's hired by a very high status law firm here in San Diego. So the he moves the whole family to coral reef Nobbody. Nothing. Did I cut and paste that wrong Or did he literally move them onto a coral lave? It's nothing that I feel like a lot of the places where bad things happen, they change the name. is the place immediately to just to be like, you can't find it. You weirdo tourists. Oh that used to be called Kife Town. But we had to change the name. this happened But now He's got this high stage job so she doesn't have to work anymore, right? So she gets to be the housewife that she's always been told that she has to be So Dan The more successful he becomes at this law firm and he's very successful, the longer and longer his hours become. because you he tells Betty he's out whining and dining clients and working really hard. Well she, of course, is getting pissed. And you she makes dinners and he misses them and she kind of starts ranting to the kids talking about their father and he's not here you know like really She she always had this habit of kind of When she got mad, she didn't care what she said in front of the kids. That is a ticket to therapy. those kids. Romance toown one hundred. But she is feeling intensely unappreciated. She's caring for two small children. She's in this house by herself. you know, there's no adults around. She doesn't like the family dynamic, essentially. So at one point she convinces or they go to, I shouldn't say she convinced them. they went to marriage encounter which was this Catholic. Marriage retreat in the seventies marriage early eighties. marriage encounter my parents. Not only did my parents go. No. my parents went and they had a sticker on the back of my dad's Volkswagen Marriage encounter It if like we're good. We're doing it with the Lord's help. Oh my God. Yeah Big time. It just sounds like a swinger' retreat for P people who believe in UFO. How dear you marriage encounter like Whenever like you want to have an encounter with your fucking partner. You don't wan to have like just be something like for people who believe in UFOs. encounter Swinging with aliens. That's right It's marriage en countning An encounter's just like the least romantic marriage word. Yeah. I don't get it. I'm gonna change that name. Marriage passing experience. What they did at marriage Encounter was you wouldd have to write your spouse a long letter talking about how you felt about the marriage. was like Far When I was like eight, I found my parents Letters Karen I love Little Karen. She's such a bad girl. Little Karen Karen didn't wasn't good with boundaries But little Karen didn't raise herself Someone, no, I actually didn't read. I started to read them and it started with my moms. and it was like, Dear Jim, you're this and you're that. And then I was like, ew, this is none of my business. Good for you. You ar good with Bound Jerusale. you were like, hereere it is I'm creeped out by love I mean, they were married for like forty five years. so marriage encounter works. S. Yeah. My parents didn't go divorced quickly. One of them fast divorces. Yeah. Okay. In Dan's letter, he talks about how he knows he's a workaholic and he knows he's not being a good husband or a good father, but he has these financial goals that he really wants to reach. And Betty's letter is all about being alone in the marriage It must have been an okay experience for them because soon after they had their third child, a boy named Dan. So at this point, Betty has two preschoolers and an infant at home. and she started to feel like she's losing her identity. Meanwhile, Dan is so successful in doing so well He actually became slightly locally famous because he represented one of the families of the victims of Brenda Spencer, the I don't like Monday schoolool shooter. So he he became well kind of well known W So by the fall of nineteen ninety one, he's doing so well, he leaves his original law firm and opens his own. And he gets these big fancy offices in a high rise and he asks Betty to redecorate the offices. and she comes in and she kills it. It's gorgeous. Everyone is like amazed and it's all very high status and like seventies. so seventies the brass and the This smoked glass. Can you see it? Ferurns everywhere. Ferns She's like, a fern garden over here. macre everywhere. An armpit hair over here. Oh, no, sorry, this is eighty one. Rainbows, neon rainbows and a Nagle in the entryway So Dan buys a two cedar jaguar and Betty loses her fucking shit. Hell yeah, right It's his dream car, but she's like, you clearly have no interest in being part of this family. Although to be fair, back in the eighties, they were like, throw ' them in the trunk or like put them on the fronting together.. Don't worry about seat belelts. Grab that roof. Yeah Meanwhile, Betty drove a suburban and her personalized license plate read looad 'em up. So she was like She was doing that mother thing. My God, sexis't exist I know you did in the eighties, I don't know doesn't anymore, but she was like She was playing the part and they were super rich. L she bought they bought stuff. She had a spending problem, they said. and she bought shit all the time. The kids had everything they could possibly want. She bought designer clothes. She was like super into the way she looked, but she was getting really neurotic because she was starting to gain weight and she was getting older and she was starting to gain weight and she felt like she was losing her looks. And so she was starting to get like compulsive kind of reaction, not analyzing her. I don't. I don't know her. but she does sound a lot like when I read through the story, I was like, Did she take diet pills? Be she acts a lot like me when I was on diet pills. It's like when you start yelling at somebody and then you just kind of can't stop yelling or in your mind, you're like, I don't feel this way anymore. and yet my mouth is still angry I don't know what to do U It's a theory. it's not a fact. Okay, so that the fights are beginning to escalate. So when Dan would come home late from work, she'd lock him out of the house, he'd have to throw rocks at the kids' windows so they could let him in. And then if they did that, Betty would yell at the kids. That was the worst part. These kids were right in the middle of this awful marriage. and they got screamed at constantly by Betty, by Betty Being angry at Dan, she would scream at them because they were the only ones there. She would scream about how awful he was. and she started cursing and like getting really foul mouths, which I don't have a problem with, but it's not cool about five year olds. It works for me Did Janet have a mouth on her? Oh fuck yeah. And then she'd be like, Do as I say, not as I do. Don't curse So was I say not as I do as fucking jam for everything was saying. as she took a big drag of a gillette U So Uh Here's this fucked up thing. She would When Dan wouldn't come home from work, she would sit the kids down and tell them they were getting divorced. And then all the kids would get super upset. And then she'd go, now, since we're getting divorced, which parent do want to live with And it would be super upsetting. And then they it wasn't until Dan would come home from work that he would be like, No, we're not getting divorce.'s everyone everything's fine. was that in this story, I always had that thing of like, you know This story has been in kind of like then society in our minds, I guess, first since the eighties since it happened, because at first it was like the fucking crazy wife You know, it was crazy. and then there was the second wave of O was she driven crazy? Yeah. And There's lots of ways to take it. But when I hear stories like that, it's just like whatever's happening, that is not fair. and that control yourself. Figure out a way to control yourself because you are that's abuse. You're abusing four children repeatedly So Uh And the other problem was that when they would fight, he would just ignore her. whichich as I was typing it, I was getting furious it was like urt she already had an anger problem and you would just pretend like nothing was happening and like sit down and eat dinner. Dan, but he's Irish Catholic, and that's how we do it Shut it down inside Um So then it in the fall of nineteen eighty three, he hires a woman named Linda Colkenna to be his legal assistant. Linda Before that had been, a Delta Airlines flight attendant had no legal training. B she's h She She was a very homely girl with large glasses. R and large spanks No, that's not true at all. In fact, Betty overheard Dan describing her Linda as being beautiful at a Christmas party and lost her fucking shit, of course, right? And immediately became convinced that the two of them were having an affair. And she would harang Dan about it all the time and ask him about it. And he was like, you're crazy or crazy or crazy, gaslamping her Right You know how it is in the gaslight district? He would take her to the gaslight district and gaslamp the fuck out of her It that November U She threw they had their both of their birthdays were in November. so she threw a dinner party and had this big party, made this huge gourmet meal. he didn't fuck and show up for it What a dick. And that night, she attempted suicide, very, very light cuts on her wrists that when he came home, he bandaged them and put her to bed and took care of her. But she was clearly in a very, very bad place. So she started hintching around at Christmas time. She starts hinting around that she wants this emerald ring for Christmas And on Christmas day, when he hands her the velvet jewelry box and she opens it up. It isn't the one she wanted. It's smaller and less expensive. And she throws a fucking tantrum and like shuts Christmas down. U. So Priorities. You know what I mean? Like you fight for what you need emotionally. I mean, maybe it was ugly. We don't know. I mean, it's an emerald. What the fuck do you want? Yeah What are you even fucking wizard of all? What are you gonna What are you gonna go to the Emerald City and fucking get your hair curled like Dorothy? You are put down So this whole time, these fights are escalating Uh, He actually moved out after that, he packed his bags after she ruin Christmas, moved out after two weeks. She was like, the children can't be are inconsolable. And so he moved back. Well that's healthy for them. Yeah. It's healthy for all of them. Yeah Uh So let's see This is a very odd point. The straw that broke the camel's back for Dan was during one of these horrible fights, Betty threw a bottle of gel at him. Like hair gel? hair gel. Yeah. Was he really into his hair gel? I mean, it was nineteen eighty five. everyverybody was really into hair gel.. You didn't It was actually a city mandate that you had to wear a shit ton of hair gel. Remember that like what was it like malibu or something and it looked like jello and you just Yeah and through your hair Yeah Ellie looks, than you. I mean that's one brand It was what I was thinking of, to be fair. That shit smelled like bad chemicals. Like paste And chemicals. L chemicals like they didn't even put anything a flowery smell in it. They were like, what if we just kind of sent this like gasoline and then the kids can put it in their hair? That would be fun. Everything was flammable. then. Why is my hair falling out again? Okay. So look, listen Look at moves out It's february nineteen eighty five. He buys a house his own house. Betty becomes increasingly unhinged and she one night, Kim, the oldest daughter, comes home, she's in high school and she and Betty get into a fight because she came home late. She drives Kim over to Dan's house and leaves her on the front porch and drives away, doesn't check if Dan's home He wasn't home, he was working late. And so by the time Dan did get home, it was like eleven o'clock the night and she' just sitting on the porch crying. So she starts living with Dan. Well then a little while later Kim and Dan are out. having pizza for dinner one night and when they come home, their younger brother, I think it was eight year old Dan was sitting on the porch. She had left him on the porch and nobody was home and he was eight years old.. So eventually Dan got the custody of all four kids. She basically went and dropped all of them off and was like, this, you deal with it for a while. Which listen, for a woman that has raised four children entirely herself You go okay. I mean, not today. not awful. Yeah, Sure custody. Rduce fucking something Dan. Dan drives away and is Jack, Sorry, I can't hear you. Basically, their divorce was so acrimonious and horrible, it became famous. They got divorced. It was finalized in nineteen eighty nine. onene of the more famous divorce cases in the United States. And part of it was because part of one of the arguments was involving the fact that women who worked and put their husband through school how that would affect the alimony and the outcome of the divorce r. They get it all. I mean, ye, you'd like to think. Wouldn't you? Betty starts leaving incredibly profane answering machine messages. I don't know if starts, but I mean, she was She was trying to like kind of contact him and make him understand how fucking liivid she was all the time. and she couldn't do it. So they have hours and hours of her answering machine messages and it's fucking nuts. I want to listen. It's not good She there were restraining orders. She would break into that house and like go through his shit and try to find stuff. Finally, he admitted that he, in fact, all along had been having an affair with Linda since nineteen eighty three. No one here is shocked. I mean, yeah, not good Um One time she went into the house, the kids were there. So she would go to Dan's house. The kids I think at that point, both girls lived there and the boys would live there sometimes. She walked in and said there was a pie on the counter. She said, Oh, what's that? And one of the boys the younger boys not thinking was like, Oh Linda made that for Dad. It's his favorite, Bosing pie. And she picked up the pie and went upstairs, and she went into the bedroom and just started scooping out the middle of the pie and throwing it on the walls, smaring it on the, smearing it on his clothes I kind of love that though I mean, you can do it. You can do it. Yeah. But she wrong? Does ultimately. Yes. It's better than guns, but it's not good Okay, so They get u They on april twenty second, nineteen eighty nine, Dan and Linda get married. And I think, oh, sorry, Stehven, shit. We've got several pictures that we need to show you. Hold on H So can you show an early picture? 'cause that's Linda and that's Dan. No photos. sorry. The first one was Betty and Dan at their wedding. Okay. This is Linda and Dan. Oh she's pretty. He's forty two and she's twenty eight. Oh Linda looked basically like Betty looked when she was that age. So her whole obsession was she'd basically just been replaced She went in, she did all the work. She put him through two fucking schools. She had his kids, she raised his kids, and then she got replaced All right. so Oh the day they got married, a family friend stayed with Betty to make sure that she didn't go and wreck the wedding. That's how extreme her behavior was. Yeah Seven months after they were married, Betty Brodderick drove to Dan's house at ten forty one Cypress Avenue in the Marsston Hills neighborhood of San Diego. and using her daughter Lee's key to enter the house, while the couple was asleep, she shot and killed them execution style. Both of them Yes. Oh my, I think I remember this now. Yeah, right You do because do you have her arrest photo, Stehen A That is one smug motherfucker was not bummed League of San Diego. Oh my God She is most certainly not bombed Wow, that's scary. That's so scary I think my mom had that shirt. I swear to God I think my mom had that haircut M Oh my God, that's so sad. Yeah she did that and then she basically called her daughters and told them that she did it and then turned herself into the police was. Yeah, it's horrifying. And she did it. two days before her forty second birthday Okay, so two bullets hit Linda in the head and chest, killing her instantly. One bullet hit Dan in the chest And it looked like he was reaching for the phone. She had taken the phone and answering machine out of the room previously when she'd broken into the house. So that came up later because it was entirely premeditated.. She said that she went over there, She didn't go over there to kill them. She just went over there to talk think is with again is ye. Instead of her mouth. Gun chats. Yeah, you know Meanwhile, she was getting sixteen thousand dollars a month alimony I know, right? She was living in a at the time six hundred fifty thousand dollars La Jolla beachfront property. Holy. She had twow cars and she had a live in like or not live in like a full time boyfriend. full time boyfriend Okayarens l How you do it Well, she doesn't want no part time lover. That's right. Call Megan Trainer. I've got a hit for her But this is so fucked up sorry, so sorry. This is the part where the stranger gets very upset. just so you know Yeah He gets shot He reaches for the phone, there's no phone there. He doesn't die instantly. And in fact, he said he looked at Betty and said to her Okay, you shot me. I'm dead. Those were his last words prettyret fucking dark. Yeah Okay. so basically, okay, now I to skip to the page that insanity. Okay. So she pleads not guilty to two counts of murder And what that means? Well, at her first trial, so the first trial starts in october twenty second nineteen ninety And it was of course all over the media. It was on broadcast live on local television, which God I would have loved to watch that now. Do you imagine like staying home from school Just like nine years old and I feel sick. Hear ye, hear ye. Oh shit So at that She testifies she didn't intend to kill her husband. She says she went to their house planning to kill herself. That's what it was. She went there saying she was going to kill herself in front of them. And then when she went in, she has no memory of what happened after that U, And she says that he harassed her during the bitter divorce, left her emotionally and financially ruined. You know, financially ruined with your fucking thousands and thousands of dollars of alimony Her first trial end in a deadlock jury. So ye U Teners reached the verdict of murder to hold out for manslaughter. Guys Do they know what that means? Well I think maybe some of them were like, oh, I put my husband through college as well And that motherfucker lives in. West Covina now with someone named Danielle. They call her Danny. It not cool. Not cool. I think she roller skates for a living. Anyway, I'm really angry U So When she's waiting for her second trial, she's involved in a jailhouse scuffle with sheriff's deputies. They started it. They alleged that she injured three of them and smeared feces around her jail cell. Yeah I mean I think she just kind of went full crazo, like in jail, she was just like, you know what, I gotta be me. do this thing Later daysater I don't have to carpool or do anything. What will I do with my time Okay, so our second trial begins october fifteenth, nineteen ninety one, the prosecution argues for a finding of first degree murder saying that she carried out a cold blooded execution. And the defense again says it should be voluntary manslaughter because she was driven to the slaying by years of psychological abuse and intimidation. But under the cross examination, she just, so she says that when she goes into the house on this trial that she walked in and went into an altered state of consciousness and doesn't remember pulling the trigger. So they play back those answering machine messages where she's fucking going crazy. And at one point she actually talks about getting her son to go beat up her husband, his father In december fifth, nineteen ninety one, superior Court judge Thomas J. Wheelan instructs the jury to consider options of involuntary manslaughter, voluntary manslaughter, second and first degree murders. The jurors deliberate and they come back to find Betty Broadder guilty of two counts of second degree murder plus two counts of using a firearm in the commission a felony. She just recently was up for parole. way And it was the it's the second time she's been up for parole. and on that podcast that I mentioned, they play a tape of the four kids and two of them want her to stay in jail and two of them want her to get up Man it is It ultimately, the whole thing is heartbreaking. There's kind it's bad. There's nothing worse than that. But because these children, whatever was going on between those adults, these children had no control and nothing to do with it. and their lives got so fucked up because of it, obviously. I mean, they ended up doing fine The idea of that that they're still in the middle of this. They're still stuck in the middle of that horrible life. It's so shitty. too end on a nice note. I believe it was in nineteen ninety two, they made made for TV movie that Marred a Baxter Bernie starred in And was nominated for an Emmy. So let's focus on the positive. That was Brady Brodderick, everybody.. My papers And we're back, Karen, any updates? Just a couple Betty Brodrick died this year on may eighth of natural causes at the age of seventy eight. She was still in jail. She would have been up for parole again in twenty thirty two. And just a reminder that the second season of the TV show Dirty John was about this story and Amanda Pete played Betty and she was so Incredible. Yeah. 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Wait mayaybe I won't yell at him because it's gonna be fun to not have had to do the work. Listen, they had a lot of beliefs and I had like six pages of their beliefs. Oh yeah, and I was like crossing shit out. You know what I mean? It was like, all right. Any off hand that you can remember Besides Nikees and jello shots? Well, they did this thing where they they you know did the gave up all the jello shots. Why did I listen more? That was so funny You're trying to do your things. All right. I'll tell you. Okay l away it Okay, actually. All right Marshall Apple White. He's the son of a Presbyterian minister, so already got it together. He begins his foray copied and pasted that. No,'s You did it. In the early seventies into Biblical prophecy, he was fired from the University of Saint Thomas in Houston, Texas because of an alleged homosexual relationship with one of his students That's Which a part All of it Well you guys said't know? Um what we're like Okay, so in so he goes at some point he goes into a psychiatric institution. Maybe it's after this and in march, nineteen seventy two, and he meets Bonnie Nettles. She's a forty four year old married nurse, music teacher from Texas. She's super into theosophy and Theosy. we know theosopy. Is happy and pacee that wrongt too? We know it's theology and philosophy mixed together. We know what it is U Where did I? Okay. Don't laugh at me. o. laugh at me. It's fine. Biblical prophecy, all that shit she's super into it. And so they kind of become really they become really close friends pretty immediately When when he gets out of the hospital, they go on a six months long road trip across the United States. They start calling themselves Bow and pe Sorry. So like inside this mental hospital This nurse is going around like handing out little cups of pills, but she's like, I don't know, there's something about you. I just want to I think we should be really good friends. The thing about you is that your faace is always in a Bible and you're super into the possibility that Eraterrestrial. Oh, almost a marriage encounter situation Yeah I like it. I like it. It was on my mind. Yeah So he said he later recalled that he felt like he had known her for a long time and that he thought they had met in the past life And she told him that their meeting had been foretold by extraterrestrials and persuaded him that he had a divine assignment. She was the nurse at the mental hospital That's what she said. She was behind the counter. Maybe she was lying. So we don't know. All right. So by June of nineteen seventy four, they study religious stuff. They're into religion, sci fi, theology, and they conclude that they had been chosen to fulill the biblical prophecies and they had been given higher level minds than other people I want a relationship like that where you're like, you meet a person, you guys are sitting in Applebees. I mean, we would be sitting in Applees and you're just like This isn't just normal chemistry This is alien shit happening between us very fucking couple in the beginning, they're so annoying Itcauses like, where' meant to be? and we're supposed to be? this is faint. it's like you just met at a party. You like the other one's smell. pheromones and you just don't understand it. She looks like your third grade teacher and he is taller than you, so it's all working out That's love, baby. that's love Or maybe you're aliens or maybe you're both Bible prophecy aliens. We don't know. for sure judge. Listen. L. D d, they wrote a pamphlet that described Jesus' reincarnation as a Texan I famamiliar Texas. That's where Marshall Apple White was from. Maybe it's him Or it could be a quarterback of the Dallas Cowboys. Wh know. You got a team right. The cowboys. I did I did. What was the other one? I think I called the the Denver Rattlesnakes They didn't like it. It's not a thing. They didn't like it when I called their team a rattlesnake No Well we know. We don't care They said they were two witnesses described in the N period, I wrote. and called themselves the UFO two. Oh my God, they have the worst fucking name. Ohs. Get out of here B. You already have a name. Already, I could have a better one. The twoFO. Come on, the two FO's. How about the off the top of my head She's good. But also, how about this lifelong rule? Don't give yourself nicknames. It doesn't work that way. And if you're gonna extra terrestrials, like come on y, Get creative. of aliens. I just want to be a part of it. That's good. good. So they thought they would be killed and then restored to life and transported onto a spaceship in an event called the Demonstration. The marriage demonstration They're earthly possessions, which is like what every cult does, which would be like we know, they had an institute district, no sex, no human level relationship, no socializing role without anyone outside of the cult. They didn't call themselves a cult, I bet. I'm calling them. Sorry so So there's people in their cult now. And they also don't they're not boyfriend and girlfriend. No. 'a he was even not her full time boyfriend I don't like that with them. Well he don't they don't really say but he had the homosexual relationship, so I think maybe he was gay and then his jam. Maybe not. But they don't talk about that. Okay. These kinds of decisions, it sounds like he wasn't like a dick cult leader. He was kind of like You want to be here and I'm not like gonna make you He's a chill cult leader. He's like a coolill cult leader. It's about UFO's, which sounds fucking fun and I can't promise I wouldn't have joined this cult Just to see what they were like or maybe gone to a meeting. I mean, it sounds pretty cool. You like just check stuff out. If I believe in anything in this fucking life, it's aliens. So really? Yeah. I hate aliens. I know. I don't think we've ever seen. you know what? I'm not going there. Okay. But a couple of their things I was like, yeah, yeah. That's what I've thought late at night when I can't sleep No. Definitely. Like where did giraffes come from? They're aliens. This just happened a long time ago. No, it's just evolution. It happens. The small berries top at tall trees you get a long neck. It's not aliens agree Now we're fighting about evolution. H He. Any wways, Okaykay. so u So these decisions like this were always left up to the members, and eight of them including Marshall, decided to voluntarily get castrated because they were like, no sex, seriously Quite a commitment. 'is. It's like a tattoo You're gonna have it forever. I'm gonna ask a question and reveal a deep ignorance of mine. Okay. No, it's not getting your deck cut off. Okay I've been wrong. I'm so disgusted. I've always every time I hear it, I just think someone gets kindled. It's a little It's just a little That's not it. It's a little snip. It's a little snip. It's a speectctomy. Wait, no, it's the balls go, right? I think it's like a cat, right? When you like you there It's balls. It'sallsalls, everybody. Thank you. Sorry, you' so cool about that. Sorry Iking cucumber this guy. Sorry to bring cucumbers into this conversation. He's like not an eight podcasts now He's like my wife, I'm really worried about her. B, pap, castrated. Iustrated Yep. Okay, here's where I would have quit the cult. Oh, they were also really into the master cleleanse. Meaning they drink nothing, we've all fuc anded done. I'm gonna do the master clelean to? Lemonade, cayenne pepper, and maple syrup. And we're all like, I'm drinking even I did it for one day. Yeah, notot even. I did it from morning until my friend was like, Hey, do you want to go a happy hour? I go was Yeah I literally ate cheeseburgers and beer that night. I was like, I don't do this against. How did that work out the next day? I mean, my body at that point was a mess. like, thank you. 'Cacauseuse that thing is, I think I did it the whole thing. Did you. I love a good starve. I'm a starver binger. That's my jam. I just wanna keep on losing and gaining the same forty pounds for the rest of my life I'm good at it.. I think I found I have all the sizes of clothes. I'm comfortable in every fucking pair of pants I have feelings I just how do you do full time master clans? That's like So they just always had diaries. I think broth I think got the answer is always broth.. All right, All right. right It doesn't matter. Listen, call them.. Look and listen and call them. Throughout the late seventies and eighties, membership grew. They are described the people who joined it were quote, longtime truth seekers or spiritual hippies who had long since believed in attempting to quote find themselves through spiritual means caling faith in a sort of cultural Mid you you say that. That's how you say it. Well into the mid eighties. So essentially they were people who should like now would have just gone to Burnie Man. and like nothing. You know what I mean? Do you know how many castrations Burning Man is making sure don't happen? Yeah. It's magical. Yeah. Thank God. Beautiful. Okay, so then and this is just like a little aside in the story, but I want more info.ucking Bonnie Nettles then dies and I she dies in nineteen eighty five and I had to like find three different articles to find out how she died, tried to cancer. Like they't fucking mion it again. Oh. It's crazy. even how he f death like ooh, is this suspicious? No, it's not. I just like want more information about her You know what I mean? Sure think She's a bigger part of this Okay She established this guyult. She told him he was an alien or whatever. Beep Bow and be. Beep, beet, beep byy the mid nineties at this point, they become super reclusive. They start calling themselves the higher source and begin recruiting via uploaded internet content. So the fucking internet starts and you know it's one of those like fucking geocities pages. Do we have that, Stephven? Yeah in they did. Heaven's gate did. Someone that looks like a bad Super Bowl trophy, doesn't it, kind of Oh good, black background with green writing. And there's you know there's the space theme again, they're sharing that over into the website. Yeah. So okay, I'll read that later. So Uloaded internet. Th then they began to talk about the upcoming. So this is when the Hailbop comment was going to come down, which if you guys are our age, you'll know it was a big fucking crazy exciting deal. Sure, right? Yeah. Some people thought the world was going to end. Oh for sure. They thought it housed the secret to the ultimate salvation and descendenced into the kingdom of heaven, AKA the closure of Heaven's Gate So Um they Im not can leave my f store Can we show the closure of Heaven's Gate Go show me pleasure of's game. D Okay, so they upload videos onto the web page, the beautiful web page, and it gained a mass following through the internet. In then ' ninety six, they moved into a large home they called the monastery. It was a nine thousand square foot residence in a gated community of upscale homes in Rancho Santa Fe, San Diego Oh. I thought they changed the name because they were like they did and they knocked the fucking house down later. But let me tell you why first. That's for the bestight. Okay I like that everybody in the balcony is from Rancho Sant Fe The front rope for the first time was super helpful and awesome. No they're good people. N just screaming. D'tuckking, don't overdo it. Yeah,'t D don't ruin it. Okay, o, you're ruining it. Okay. At this point, Heavens Gate they believed Earth was about to be recycled. Their only chance to survive was to leave it immediately. And they were against suicide, but they defed suicide in their own content to mean to turn against the next level when it's offered And they thought human bodies were only vessels. Which I mean, are they wrong? And so in ' ninety six, they purchased alien abduction insurance, which is a fucking thing. Who started that company? I don't know, but he's a genius. That's a genius. That's Geico. R's now GeIico. They changed their name to Geio. It would cover up to fifty members and would pay out one million per person. It covered abduction, impregnation, or death by aliens. Oh. That's all I want to say. Prove I'm not impregnated by an alien. You don't know You can't tell, You can't tell U Okay. so on march nineteenth and twentieth of ' ninety seven, Marshall Apple Whhite taped himself speaking of mass suicide and asserted was the only way to evacuate this earth. Do you remember the video? Oh yeah. I have a photo of him in the video. The eyes, the eyes, the eyes, the eyes What's wrong? What's wrong, guys This sheill is not If you're ever in Starbucks and that guy's behind you, like or taking your order. If anyone's eyes, if their lids go out past the iris, so they're showing white on top, get the fuck out of there Danger As someomeone who has worked at both a health food grocery store and Starbucks, these dudes a pay in dirty change so when I worked at the healthcood store, they wouldn't let you scan their groceries because they thought that they were gonna get poisoned by the government. and you you bopb every fucking number in the barcode in. And like if you put it near the scanner, they'd freak the fuck out. It It's real fun. They're the only ones whose brains haven't been taken over by the government.. They' the only normal ones. ' they're not okay bless them. Please please keep my brrussel sprouts away from that right light Ma'am Nice is the thing. I wouldn't I don't care. do whatever you want. Be nice. there were dicks about it. That's the thing about hippies is there's a lot of bad press about them like, o, they're so peas in love. Hippies are fucking rude. Yeah They're rude. You're selfish. Yeah takeake that to the b. Okay Allright. Okay, taped himself. And then he persuaded thirty eight of his followers to commit suicide so that their souls could board the craft. So he believed that after deaths an unidentified flying object, UFO, would take Thank you. Yeah would take their souls to anotherot level of existence above human, which he describes as being both physical and spiritual Their final meal together. Here's one thing I just couldn't cut out because it was so good Where did you go earlier in your story on Apple Apple it's not Apple Bees, but it's close Okay, their final meal, like right before they did this, they were like excited about it and the waitress or the waiter was like, no, they all seem like in really good spirits. But here's the thing. they all ate the same thing. they all shave the same way. They all did these things together. Like a cult. Yeah. And so they all ordered the same thing. They went to Marie Calendars. Nice. Yeah Loving it, salad bar, sometimes live piano, good corn. Yeah, we go., I'll tell you what they ate. Okay. They went to Marie Calendar's in Carlsbad after party. I'll see you guys there. Yeah. Marie I'morry but that Marie calendars in Carlsbad is fucking nuts. It's the best one. You go there, you drink white wine, like you have six white wines? Sab And then you just eat pie. It's amazing. Well, no, they ate iced tea, Yon, have a glass of wine. dinner salads with tomato vinegar dressing. That sounds kind of nice. It is nice. And my favorite food Turkey pope pie. I like chicken, but I love pope pie. so I was pretty stoked on that That was their final meal was turkey pot pie. Yeah. Marie Calendar's in Carlsbad, California This pot pie is crispy on the top and crispy, everywhere See, that's why I got fired, No I didn't it quit. And they also had cheesecake with blueberries on top for dessert. Nice. Like they had dessert. they're like, let's go kill ourselves now. It's crazy. The waiter said no one seemed depressed at all or anything like that. So except for the one guy who was like, I wanted snickers pie We have to all do the same thing every time So the adherentnce Between the ages of twenty six and seventy two, they died in three. seeventy two Yeah It might have been him that was seventy two. They included him. I mean, I can't tell how old he was from that picture, but Not young. ye. So here's what they did. They had three groups and so each group would die on a different day and the other ones would die takeake care of them and clean them up and st. Oh. So I know, it's fucked up. March twenty first, twenty fourth. thirty eight Heavens Gate members took phenobarbitol mixed with applesauce and washed it down with vodka. and then they put plastic bags around their heads after ingesting the mixture to induce asphyxiation. Yeah. So they were not fucking around. Yeah. Um Right as you're pulling that bag on your head, you're like, No. Iah I know It bums me out. It's on I remember seeing this on the news when it happened. Yeah And those fucking I' sorry, I don't know get thing. but I actually cut that part in. It's so intense. you cut it in? I cut it in. Okay. so they were found dead in their home in march twenty sixth, nineteen ninety seven. Lying neatly in each in their own bunk beds. and like imagine seeing this when you're a fucking teenager and on the news. It was so insane. It's just perfect everyone's perfect. They're in these perfect bunk beds. They all have their faces and toros are covered by these perfect square purple cloths, which the people who are still living put over them U they and they were all dressed in identical black shirts, black sweatpants and brand new black and white Nike decade athlete shoes. So that was like the c like this fuckking they didn't have them then, but this meme, a fuckking back then Yeah before memes weren't thing. Yes, the original. And Nike was like, they discontinued the shoes. Yes, they did And they actually you can sell them for a lot, you can buy them for a shit. They sold someone bought them for like a million dollars on eBay. Yeah. Murderina? Yeah. . I remember the thing that upset me with that video because it's it's such a walkthroughs creepy video.'s why it's totally early Blair witch, but Um To see adults in bunk beds is not cool at all. It's not that alone.hing's wrong. If they were just asleep and the place were like a bunch of adults slept in bunk beds, it'd be like, o go here but then they took it a step further They did. They each had a five dollar bill and a roll of quarters in their pockets, which was actually what they when they would leave the house, they wouldn't you know, they didn't have early possessions, but just in case they needed to use a bus or make a phone call, they would always bring a five dollar bill and a roll of quarters. And someone was like, they did it as kind of a joke just to like have people find it. It's almost like they had a sense of humor about it because they didn't think they were killing themselves They thought they were, you know, head off to space. Go to God, that's awful. Spirit in the sky and all that Yeah And they also were super into to star Trek And just like you are, just like me who almost said Star Wars J. Trash track I did like, listen, look. The next generation was my dam when I was a kid. It's good. It's so good. It's also very it's all like pastels. It It was very aesthetically pleasing to watch. And that Will Wheaton, I sure had a crush on him. Sure, he was wearing a bodysuit. How could you deny him Okay And so they they all had patches that said Heaven's Gate Aw team, which was a Star Trek fictional universe people were funny. They were kind of clever and like, cool. is so odd. So they had the distinction of being the first well known cult in the interternet era And they actually, they made money designing websites for people. And that web fucking site is still up and running today by two people who were like cult members who didn't k themselves. Like they the remaining two Yeah Well, there's probably more than that. Wow, Yes. And I just remember saying, didn't they all have shaved heads Or am I combining that with some other cult I don't know. They were real low key, like everything was very. Yeah, they all wore the same color outfits. They were all, you know, ye chill. Yeah. ye. So that's that's your cult Heaven's Gate, San Diego. You guys So good. Okay, we're back What are the updates for the Heavens Gate Cult, Georgia? There's not many just about some media. The documentary miniseries Heaven's Gate, The Cult of Cults was released on HBO Max in twenty twenty. And then a film adaptation of this story, which You're going love this. It's called the Leader. It's released on june fifth. So by the time this comes out, it'll be out. And so Vera Famga plays Bonnie and none other than Tim Blake Nelson is playing Marshall, the head of Heaven's. Applewite? Yes.wite. Yes. the guy from the not like one of the best actors ever, of course from Brother W Yes. like he's so perfect for that. That's incredible. No no one's a better actor. He's gonna just act that down. He's gonna act at and also Michael C. White. Yeah. So that'll be incredible. Wow. That's gonna be must watch TV, what do they call it? When they time M see TV? Yeah, but where's the one where they like makeaking an appointment? Oh, appointment TV? It's not an appointment. it's calendar TV. Calendar. put it in your calendar TV, everybody. All right, we're gonna wrap it up with a hometown story from the audience in San Diego. Your husband is not who you think he is Your body is not what you thought it was Your identity is formed by a secret history I'm Danny Shapiro And these are just a few of the stunning stories I'll be exploring on the fourteenth season of Family Secrets. 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He's going We we are gonna have to work out hand gestures that we memorize and learn. I should know what my husband's like wild insane gestures mean I don't yet and I feel like You know't, there's something wrong with her. We need to go to marriage. Ecounter They learn each other shit. Do I pick or do you pick? Oh, I don't know. Can we at the house by you? We're gonna to take a look. I think we're gonna to do a hometown murder We choose, It doesn't matter what you do, it's our choice. You can do whatever you want. Ultimately, we too. Hold on, let's see hold on. Okay. I love when a girl is pointing at her friend. Yeah, That's always good. That girl right there. bllondie? U oh. She's drunk or terrified. She no no. Are you mad that your friend pointed at you in the air. Hi. Hi, what's your name? What's your name? Come here. you have to tell us your name. Laurie. Hi, Laurie. sayay hi. Glory everybody