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Summer smells like bright citrus, warm sand and endless possibilities.ith Pura's smart diffusers and the new summer collection, you can restore your sense of place and bring those unforgettable moments right into your living room. Find your summer escape today. Visit pura dot com to learn more Goodbye Hello, and welcome to reewwind with Karen in Georgia. This is a show where we recap our early episodes with new case info and lots of old feelings. Today we're rewinding to episode ninety eight, which we named grasp it. Why did we do that? I wonder? We're about to find out. This episode originally was released on december seventh twentyventeen. All right, let's get into the intro of episode ninety eight. Should we do some coffee sips for the SSMR people way, oh God. Welcome To my favorite murder I the Cosee episode We're recording at around four o'clock in the afternoon the soy skies of Los Angeles, California. It's just everything is burning The world is burning down and right in the center of it, we're here to help you Enjoy murder. Karen the soothing voice of Karen Kilgareth. And Georgeia Heart Stark over to my left. off course, the big sipper himself, Stephen Ray Morris. Yeah, Did you do it a nice loud one? it was hot. Could you hear yourself? No, you gota take the hit for the show. hot All right He took another big steps, like by making him chug it like he's joining a frat. Let's pause and chug coffee and then let's come back on and talk And just start screaming and like we can't talk because our mouths are burned That's that's a subset of ASMR videos. Burned mouth ASMR vide You know what I watch on repeat for like I wasn't true. What were you about to say Oh, I just watched this video. there's this Instagram called like Burn it And they just fucking burn things. I think it's like an ASMR for your eyeballs. Is that a thing? Y. It's called And they, especially if you're an arconist. What's it called? Stevenino No A it's What liking things burning down is? Yeah. Like watching things burn so theyll pour acid on like soap And you just watch it and sometimes you can hear it bubbling or they'll just torch like a fucking like a little toy, plastic child's toy. Oh, child's toy U But I watch them melting a tube of lipstick over and over, so satisfying. What did they use to melt it? Like a fire, like a lighter. Wow. It was so soothing and satisfying. I bet. Did it did like the liquid, like the lipstick itself melt and then the plastic melt afterwards? That's the lipstick they did No, I'm just saying Yeah, they didn't describe the order of melting to me. They only put it onto the lipstick and the lipstick melted. Oh, not the container. that was it. Elvis has joined us Ais. Let's talk about murder. I have an update from the Amish murders that I talked about a couple of weeks ago This email says Karen Durust Stven and all the animals lost my shit listening to you tell the littleittle boy Bue murder. My friends made fun of me, so it would be ideal if you could read this on the podcast so they feel hell dumb in your fucking face. I grew up on a farm I' read it. Who doesn't? I grew up on a farm around the area where the body was found. But I had to let you know that you miss the uplifting gives you hope in the whole fucked up story ending The people of Chester, population two hundred and twenty five raised money to bury the unidentified boy under the name of Matthew, which means gift from God. The memorial service was packed with four hundred people, almost double the population of the entire town. People still visit his grave and leave toys and flowers and they maintain his memorial, even rebuilding it after a tornado I grew up there about a decade later, and I still heard the story, and my parents pointed out the memorial every time we drove by. The town completely adopted the littleittle boy Blue and even now feels so strongly about honoring his memory. Just thought you might like to know that even though there are crazy assholes who murder their wives, roommates, and children, there are also tiny Nebraska towns who open their hearts to show a lot of love, SSDGM I can't wait to catch in S St. Louis in a couple of weeks, Kaylee. I love it in Nebraska. I love a I mean, Always let us know if there's an uplifting ending we've missedlease. That's amazing. Can soone email us right now and tell me about my story this week's uplifting ending? I couldn't find it. Oh, it's a bummer? Yeah Um I okay, okay, you were gonna to tell me about a show that you watch that you really like called Voyar. It's a movie.. It's a documentary.. So it's an author named Gay Talise who was very famous for doing kind of like expose type of essaye long reads in the seventies. I've never I made most of that up based on what I saw briefly in this documentary. I've always heard his name, I've never read him, but anyway He's clearly brilliant and has been doing it forever. and he got contacted by a man I'll just do this the lightest version possible so there's no spoilers. He was contacted by a man who had a thirty year secret. and the secret is because obviously the name of the movie's voyeer. The man owned a motel that he set up so that he could go watch people through the vents and the ceilings in every room. Oh my God. But he didn't record it on video. He just would go up there, watch them and then recorded in minute detail what he saw L into a tape recorder? on into a journal And then he basically gave Gates Lise these writings. Can you imagine how happy she was? You have to see it because at first I'm like, this is so weird and disgusting, and this guy is such pervert But no one's acting like that at the beginning. And it's just a fascinating I just highly recommend. I'm going to watch that. Do you think you've ever been Like watched illegally, you know what I mean? Like in a hotel room? Odds are, yes. God, I think I would think. All the gross things I've done. And I hope it wasn't then a hotel room. Well, I think that's the appeal of hotel rooms. You're supposed to It's like this weird kind of neutral space where you get to do things you would never do at home. Right. And so that's kind of like he was already a Voyeur and then he bought the it's a motel. He bought it with that in mind. It's crazy because he knew that would be the perfect place. Why am I like, Well at least he didn't videotape them? It's like, that's not better. I know. But these days we're all just trying to go like, is it the worst thing ever? Are we trying to like, can we hold back a little judgment? But I think that's what this documentary is kind of about. is the way we all do that in lots of different ways. I love it. It's good. I highly recommend it. I want to recommend this show that I found that I had to watch three times on Amazon. It's a pilot. I don't know if it's I don't think it's gotten picked up yet It's called sea oak. And it's so fucking weird and good. It's like a dark comedy. Okay. We It's Glenn Close. Oh as this like boring old woman who lives with her likeiece niece is a nephew And it's fucking crazy and it gets really dark. Okay, I want to see essentially essentially K kind of spoiling it, but this is what the pro. Okay Glen close. Jack Quid, he's like the boy in and he's like the cutest little thing you've ever seen. Who is notoy? He's like a guy He's like a grown man Is he Dennis Quade's relative? I don't know. M Is it Sea Oak like the ocean? SEA Oak? SEA Oak.'s And I think it takes place in a like dystopian future kind of. Okay. It's really good I want to watch more episodes, I hope make more. Now I really want to watch. Can I do one more? Because it just I didn't talk about Godless last week, did I Hmm It's a Western that's on Netflix And apparently, I tweeted about it how bad assid is because it's great. And Merit Weaver is one of the stars. And she was from Nurse Jackie. She's one of my very favorite actress.. She's the one who gave that Emmy speech by walking up and going, thanks and leaving. And I was like, I've never loved anyone more. She's the best. Oh, it's good. But she's also such a great Great, great actress. But anyway It's this it's basically this town and this to a western town in I think it's New Mexico, I can't remember. They're just besieged by bad guys. And what happens to the town? There's a little history before, there's a certain circumstance. Is that a western? It's a Western. And But Lady Mary from Downton Abbey is in it, Michelle Dockery. This amazing actor, British actor named Jack somebody who is just like as can be. And then Jeff Daniels plays the bad guy. Oh I think Vins and I started watching this. It's very slow at first because it's Western and it's like they're doing it just like Westerns get done. I cannot tell you how much Westerns bore me. R I know like I know I'm gonna get shit for that, but it's like Well what's your opinions? They're so slow. Well, not all of them. and sometimes it I feel like this knew what it was doing Yeah. So it had it did a thing at the beginning that was so crazy, also, Sam the one from Law and Order who I love. Oh yeah with the yeah Anyway, there's a beginning that goes you just are like, what the fuck is this? And then and then it like goes into really unfolding. but There's an interesting thing someone sent me a link that said I got bummed out about that. show after I read this article And it was an article that was like trying to be a takedown saying People are saying this is the feminist Western we've all been waiting for, and here's how it's not I would just encourage people Be I know sometimes people write those things and I understand it's kind of trying to say like, don't label things the thing that you say it is if it's not going to do A B and C. Especially if the person who made it, that wasn't their intention. I don't think it was their intention, but I will argue that You see women in this series doing things you have never seen them in any modern or otherwise kind of show before and this is the Old West. Yeah. So it should it like has more meaning. I don't know. I just thought it was really brilliantly written and acted So anyway, just in case somebody's gotten a hold of a bad article, I would just say test the waters first Okay for at least a couple episodes. because it's I think it's really good. Okay. I'll do it. Okay Stephven just gave me a printed up Instagram. Apparently, this is what you could spend all your time on on this Instagram. I don't go on there, but it was from Colleen Elizabeth. Colleen the chick. Her name was Colleen. What'd she say? God damnit Clarissa explains it all. explains everything. She replied she sent a picture of what she gave me and drawing that we talked about last week, beautiful Horizon drawing. Yeah, she yeah So she said, I gave a painting to MFM's Charicle Garifft at the Minneapolis show. I was too broke to buy good tickets, so my friend and I bought cheap ones, and I left the painting with a girl sitting at the VIP table. I was pretty sure it would never make it to her. The shoutout on the pod was more than I ever expected and the outpouring of support is overwhelming. My shop is empty.. Thanks to a few Merderinos who bought things. New work is coming soon. Thanks you guys I'm humbled by the support also. My frames are made by my incredible boyfriend at MN Creative Woodcraft. He's an amazing woodworker and the best frame maker I've never paid. And I specifically mentioned the fr because it's the coolest, it's like it's floating inside a frame. I went on her site because we posted you can see the photo on Instagram my favorite murder Instagram. I went on her site and I'm like fucking gonna buy something when she reposts. there's so many and they're so beautiful. Oh good I look at I've When I first put it up, I put it in a weird spot, and then I realized, I want to put it in a spot I pass constantly. It's that likehing to me It's so nice I love it. Yeah And thanks you guys for supporting her. Yeah, everyone, these Martarinos are fucking Good people. than you. Yeah So who's going first this week based on our new algorithm How's your how's your murder I don't believe in the new algorithm. Okay. It doesn't work that way. Okay. I mean You know what I mean? Yeah. Well, how about I went first last week? Yeah I'll do it, right Yes. Stepven God dam one of the twenty nine thousand things you have do. twenty nine thousand things to do. And you can't do this one. I definitely went check my notes, my notes, o got got I don't even need you. Cres about your notes Yeah, yeah, because Karen went last last him. Yeah I won, first last time. Oh last. You had last last time. Why would't you just sayit? Okaykay And we're back Do you remember those ASMR melting lipstick videos? I did not remember them until this episode. I was like, ye, yeah, I was really into that. Why isn't my algorithm showing me that anymore? Is that just it's just not hip anymore? I think it is, but I think it's bigger on TikTok and I'm on Instagram, maybe. Maybe. Also, I watched an electrolysis video for so long the other night. Oh God, that's satisfying. I've been fed those. It's like, oh, you like gross stuff? hereere's this or like plucking. Oh my God, it's so satisfying.s so But it's not as gross as doctor Pimplepopper, which is also very satisfying, but sometimes it takes a turn. Totally. Like you see and you can't unsee it. I've also started being fed like lash grooming Vos of people who do like Lash filler and now you just like they just video it super close up Lash is being ced out, Lash is being gled. It's just like this T. Fus Lash Yeah. and it's really fucking satisfying. Oh, and then I completely forgot about the Boyers Motel, that documentary. I know, which is a great documentary and then also not real. Totally.. Yeah. what happened? It was like they found out that the guy never actually owned it. Like that he was basically kind of a confabulator And so part of the story of him doing that at the motel was also a story And so that he was the only source of it and provable. And he didn't even own it. So the odds that he was kind of just You know, Yeah. basasically lying for fun Which is such a hilarious, that should be a new documentary. That's amazing people who yeah, for sure. You're gonna to go tell an incredibly famous writer Journalist, your story. that's fascinating and not ever go this might be a bad idea. I just met the guy who created the documentary Tickled. Oh yeah. David Farrier? Darid Farrier. I met him and the new one he's doing is something really interesting too. Let me try to remember it off the top of my head. Is it about the church? No, it's something else now. Because of Tick Gold, I'm a huge David Farrier fan, and I followed him for years on Twitter. And then one day I pulled up to work here and he was standing outside the building. and I I immediately recognized him And then I freaked out and then I had to look up to make sure I was right and I was. So I got out of the car and I was getting ready to be like, Hi, are you waiting to go inside or whatever? And right as I got out of the car, someone opened the door and brought him inside And I never met It get a sn. Oh no, he was at your o literally or I bet he was there for trust me. He was on trust Me. So go back to their January episodes and look up David Ferrier. He basically had a hand in kind of breaking up this mega church that was really You have to listen to it, but he basically kind of like started this campaign of like taking down the person that ran this church. And it was mostly on social media, J like asking for people to tell him stories of firsthand accounts of having to get out of the church and stuff. He's an agitator He's a real deal. I love it. I did a show with him with for Joan Aray's new standup show and he is so funny and charming and like, you know from New Zealand so you can say anything you want. It's charming And he can say anything he wants. It's is oh sorry, that's what you're saying. I thought you meanant you could be like to him like, hey, go fuck yourself sir. He'd be like, that's wonderful. I love it No, I was too nervous to say anything Yeah, he's nerve wracking. I stand by my godless recommendation because it's Merrit Weaver who has since I think won a bunch of Emm'ys. But then it's also Michelle Dockery and Jack O'Connell who was the vampire and sinners. It's like a You gott to go see that TV show if you ha't seen it. I ever did it like won all thesemmies and stuff. so yeah. It's a great Western story about women who have to take over a town. Hell yeah. That's real good. You guys, let's bring it back from twenty seventeen. It's vintage now like this podcast. 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There's no safe, like simimply safe. Goodye. Be byye. Well, then, let me tell you a little something about a man And you may have heard of him U He was an evil doctor during World War two named Marcel Petois. Oh my God. I think that's how you say his name. That sounds beautiful. I've watched a documentary about him. I've done a couple things. I still can't remember how to pronounce his name. Thatois sounds beautiful. P E T I O T The pena I mean, I took French for two years. Yeah. so expert much a citizen. Yeah. o All right, so Marcel Partois was born january seventh, eighteen ninety seven at So what did she write? But it's the eighth word and I'm stopped cold No, it's Axer, I believe, or Oer maybe A UX E R R E You know what I might do for the rest of this story is replace French words with American ones. So he was born january seventeenth, eighteen ninety seven in Austin, France. a hundred miles south of Paris His neighbors allege that he enjoyed torturing animals from an early age, and they say his first arrest And a lot of people say that this is stuff that came up after A his most famous arrest and that it was just neighbors talking and making stuff up. But it doesn't seem out of the bounds of any story we've ever told before. His first arrest was after he made sexual advances toward a male classmate, then fired his father's gun inside a classroom. He was eleven Whoa. shit. I was like, great in college. That's fine. If you shoot a gun in college, It's expected. It's like Van Weilder shake So then between nineteen oh seven, nineteen oh nine, when he was between ten and twelve years old Um His parents told doctors that he was prone to convulsions and sleepwalking and he habitually wet his trousers and beds. Don't wet your trousers. That means head injury, probably, right? Head injury and maybe that he was like a psychopath, maybe from or some serious organic brain issue was taking place. Classic shit. So classic. let's get a swing in there. Sorry. So L you're belching away from. I just want everyone to know that she just keeps like you keep throwing like kind of throwing yourself back onto the couch to belouch and then coming back forward. And just belching. It's like a little hiccup. Just doing no, it was a full that was a full on belelch. good. Okay. This is This is a real ASMR episode in the bad way. Okay, so his mother dies in nineteen twelve. H his father takes a job fifteen miles away. He has to stay with his aunt, him and his brother go to live with his aunt. And while he's between when he's staying with her, he gets expelled from one school. He gets sent back with his dad. He gets expelled from another school all from quote over excitement and quote, unruly behavior. So he' he's out of his mind And then he finishes his education in a special academy in Paris in July of nineteen fifteen. So then when he's a teenager, he gets into the petty crime standard fare. He robs a mailbox in court, he's found not guilty because of mental illness. So he a pattern starts to set up pretty early of he does fucked up shit, he claims insanity or gives them he tells them about stuff and they go, oh, no, he doesn't have to go to jail. he's crazy. And then he gets out and just keeps on doing stuff, which I think is It could be a theory The psychopath learned early that if you say I have these things, then you never have to kind of pay for your crimes. You just do whatever you want. That's kind of what it seems like In nineteen sixteen, he's drafted into the French infantry to fight in World War one I typed World War O J. so I don't know if that that was a side project. U You know. W one started and then it was A through four J. Maybe what you're doing is you try to make an emoji of a smiley face. You know when someone does that and they don't have an iPhone and it's just a J, maybe it's World War smiley face. Oh my god. That's a cute war. It was World War one is like, have you ever watched like a movie that's like a true to life World War one story it Hm, It's the horrifyingest, horrifying and horrify like. like everything was up close, like bayonet style, but then some mustard gas and they would go through. it went on and on. E millions of people. It's snowing.t you don't have fucking boots for snow. Noope. It's barb.ches mud filled with water and rats. It's like they went to a mudfield and were like, let's settle it here And then they just kept sending people, the soldiers would come out and they would have to go to rest homes because they would have shell shock and they would just get sent back out over and over and over. Crazy. Just a nightmare town. So picturered it everyone. Pict yourself there. Let's go there. Now in a town called AISN E He had been gased, he was wounded, and then he exhibited signs of a mental breakdown. Now of course, it would make perfect sense that he would be doing that anyway. But he also could have been trying to get out of sure. going there. I would too.cent He went to what they called him clinics and R Homes. So he got sent to a couple where he was arrested for stealing army blankets. Where are you gonna go with that blanket, Marcel? What do you what? Marcel, how many do you even need? I mean, you can't march with them, you're gonna get caught by the guy that yells Okay, he's jailed for that. And then they put him back onto the front in June of nineteen eighteen. likeike three weeks later, he shoots himself in the foot literally. Yeah, that's what I would have done. And that's the thing that they it used to be that they people would do that or put their hand up. D you ever a movie where the guy puts his hand up and gets his hands shot off He's what is that? cowardice? They they court martial you for that. Yeah. Anyway, he does that He gets diagnosed with amnesia, sleepwalking, depression and suicidal tendencies, and he ends up getting discharged with a forty percent disability pension. Th in September of nineteen twenty, his case gets reviewed and they up the rating to one hundred percent. Oh my God. It would be very fascinating I want to there's so much in this story. It's crazy. I honestly do. I say it all the time, but I really do want to read a book about this one because to figure out or to read about, was it him learning the system and ging it? Or was he fucking bananas? Yeah, And did the bananas build into what his crimes that came later The bananas, the bananas Bill Noh banana tree. Okay, so The person that reviewed that and said he should have one hundred percent disability also suggested that he be committed to an asylum But he had already entered a mental hospital, not as a patient He had gone through an accelerated education program for war veterans and he'd gone to in eight months, he finished medical school and he was serving a two year psychiatric internship. See, he's putting it on. wring the whole thing on that. He knows I couldn't do that and I'm a fucking sound that will. Well Casiza, I mean, he's from what they say he was a super genius. part that's part he's like supervillain. Me Tue true. So anyway He So now he's Like they it's like they patients to running me asound. Anyway, so fascinating. I wish I could just see like all I want is like a ten second video clip of him. I know it doesn't exist and it's impossible, but wouldn't that be cool. Well, I'll tell you this. if you want to think about him, while tell you the story, he has kind of crazy Ron Lynch hair that doesn't help many people who are listening, sorry. Well, you know what? He has kind of Stehvenie. Stehven hair. He's got hair that looks like he throws it back and forth in every direction across his head all the time. 'cause it's like the bloofy. Yeah. well, there's a body. and some curl And he also has a mustache. What then are you a time traveler? Here's the difference though And we're going to keep our eye on you, Stehven One of his eyes is way bigger than the other. So there's a picture of him that kept coming up when I was trying to find like videos on YouTube. It looks like a cartoon of a surprised person, but that's what his face looked like. Surprise, I'm a psychopath. Surprise. My ey' o crazo. He Yeahah, he gots his degree on december fifteenth, nineteen twenty one from faculty Medicine Dary That was great. Thank you. I got super scared in the middle. And then he becomes a full on doctor It says full fledged on the paper because I hadven't pasted it. So So then he starts a practice in Vilenuev Yon, I mean. And he's getting paid not by his patients who come to see him, and then he's also still getting government assistance And he's on tons of drugs. So he's one of those doctors that's like, you know, popping pills the whole time. They're all on drugs, right? I mean freebies? Yeah. 'Cause also you have to know how drugs work. You have to take them a little bit. Yeah. You have to kind of educate yourself. Right. But then also you just have them around. Yeah. Freebies. It's like me with those fucking PN and M andMs. I can't keep my hand out of that thing Thank Oh you. Okay, so. They believe his first victim is a woman named Louise Delavau, and she is the daughter of one of his elderly patients. He starts having an affair with her in nineteen twenty six And soon after that affair starts U their home is burglarized and set on fire. they They suspect him, Marcel Pitua And then Louise disappears may nineteen twenty four. W woman he's having airt disappearars. That's right. Okay. So it's like they're dating, it's all going off. She's like, he might be the one. she was elderly Her relative was elderly who went it's almost like the young girl brought the grandma to the doctor. And then he's like, well, hello. Hello to you, young lady. And hello to you Okay, so the neighbors say that they saw Petuis load a big trunk into his car. Then weeks later, one is fished out of a river that looks very similar to the one that they saw him loading into his car. And when they fish it out of the river, it's filled with dismembered decomposed remains of a young woman who's never identified. And the police Um after learning all of the that cell hole setup, decide that she's a runaway. So no yeah You know, those fucking nineteen twenties French runaways. They throwown their beret and they're fucking outt of there. get the fuck out of there. You can kind of get a baguette anywhere so you could be on the road for as long as you wanted. Back in the day. Later days au voir, mother fucker. That's right. Bring that red lipstick girl. Girl just throw in your pocket and smoke Okay This same year, now it's gonna seem like I'm changing the subject to a different podcast. He runs for mayayor. where you're like, ye, you oops, I was doing another paper on something else and I combined the two. Yeah, I'm like, what Wikipedia article is this that I'm cutting and pasting now. guy is all over the place. He's got a ton of energy. He's got wild eyes. becausecause he has all the meds he needs. Yeah bet he's just taking Coke pills. For real. Can I have a Coke pill, please? I mean, here the, hereere's the downside. We were actually talking about this the other night some I was telling somebody one of my speed in the nineties resulting in seizure stories. And I was like everybody thinks you do this, you go through this thing and you're like twenties and thirties where you're like, I can just kind of do whatever. And then it's like your late thirties And early forties is when you find out, you absolutely can. Yeah. Like there's going to be a bottom dropping out of this kind of casual ater all phase that everyone goes through, which God bless, no judgment. But like you can't do it forever and you got to make a plan for when you stop becausecause it's bad for you. like your heart valves and shit. Oh no. Be careful.. As for someone who's on fucking permanent seizure medication, let me just tell you from the other side of that It's not pretty and it hasn't happened yet. It's gonna be like the new mesothelioma ads that are on TV. Do you think I'm going be likeut fucked in any way? How much do you take Have you ever had a heart attack? Not yet. Should I do it right now? Well, let's just keep our eye on that I mean, listen, everybody's doing what they need to do. You know what I mean? These days, especially. so. Okay, so he's out leading the people. All right, the mayor thing Yeah we have to get back into the story that doesn't make any sense with what I have been telling you about, okay? Can he lay low No. He's a psyopath. He's like he' got it he's got the world on a string. Oh my God. So he hires an accomplice. The reason he won is because he hired an accomplice to disrupt a political debate with his opponent. So he wins like he basically fucked with his opponent and then won M Then he, once he's in office embezzles from the town.e Thisy's living his life. He's just, you know what it is, I feel like, and this sos remind me of being on speed. It's that thing of when you're in the moment, you're like, fuck it yes. or fuck it. like you just decide to grasp it while you can. Yeah. I to do all of the crazies. Do it all Just pretend like nothing's gonna happen in an hour or a day Just go for it. Okay Okay, in nineteen twenty seven, he marries a woman named Georgette Bah blah It's the k said blah, blah, blah blah. Josette blah blah. she talk so much? Oh Joogette And they have a son named Gerhartt. Sorry. Okay Local authorities received numerous complaints about his theft and shady financial dealings as he's the mayor. And he's eventually suspended in August of nineteen thirty one and resigns. The village council also resigned in sympathy. I don't know what a village council is, but it sounded like he had manipulated people in the town so much and gotten them convinced that like, no, he's the best that when they were like, you can't be the mayor anymore, they were like, We're going to. Oh my go. Yeah. Five weeks later on october eighteenth, he's elected as a counselor for the Yon District, YO Why O N? It's like Yvanne with Novi. Unless something happenens. Unless it was't V.ess it was Yvne. Maybe the V dropped off the page when I wasn't paying attention. Yvonne, France And she wears so much perfume. nineteen thirty two, he's accused of stealing electric power from the village near What' point? point. He's like lookingking some shit up. Yeah. He's like, what It's just for my RV U But he moved by the time they figured that out, they were like, you're off the council and he had already moved to Paris, so it didn't matter. And while he's there, he sets up a new practice and he makes up all these credentials, and all these people are like, Ohh my God, you heard of this guy? he's the new doctor right now. You can't Google it. Exactly right. LinkedIn him. It's all word of mouth. He probably got the one influential person made him love him U Gave him a Cke pills. That's right But while outwardly charming and popular with most of his patients He secretly enrolled them for state medical assistance thereby ensuring that he was paid twice for each treatment. So he's like a Medicare scammer. from Jump the original And u he favored addictive narcotics in his prescription. So he giving people vu upit ye. When one pharmacist complained of the near fatal dose that he prescribed for a child, his reply was, what difference does it make to you? Because I don't want children to bead. Isn't it better to do away with this kid who's not doing anything in the world pasteruring its mother. So not a lot of compassion. I mean, it doesn't feel like that's his angle or filter online. this kid is not doing anything. He's just kind of sick Just needs a little bit of help from a doctor. And what do kids do? I mean, I guess back then they worked in the coal mines and shit. They were like, I'd love some speed. Yeah. thank you. Thank you. But the mother has to intervene Okay. Um, And then in nineteen thirty six, he's appointed the medicine d tart Seville with authority. So he can now write death certificates. They just keep going, Oh my God. You're really fucked up. Here's a little bit more responsibility. Can you take over this project? We just want to help kill people a little bit more. Yeah And that same year he's institutionalized for Kleptomania. U huh. So after the so then World War two breaks out. Okay. All. And you mean World War K? akenor. one k Roman numerals, Ranans are Roman numeralsars So France falls And uh He's of course, now he's just taking advantage. He's doing he's giving people weird fake certificates saying people are sick when they're knocked to get out of shit and And he's likeill like rununning kind of a black marketing situation. And he's been convicted in nineteen forty two of over prescribing narcotics But when he's going to go to court and there's two atticts that were going to testify against him. The cops got them to flip on him. They disappeaar. So he would end up just being fined. I thought they're in the attict. twenty four att. They're in the attict's attict? Yes So he's fine, twenty four hundred francs and they're just like Please don't do it anymore. Oops, these guysy disappeared, so you're off the hook. Yeah he brags to anyone who listen that he's developing secret weapons that can kill Germans without leaving forensic evidence, that he's having high level meetings with Allied commanders, that he's fighting for this resistance group and that resistance group all over town. He's telling stories about that he's planting booby traps around Paris, all this shit. Bby traps He even says that he worked with a group of anti fascist Spaniards. Turns out that group never existed. Oh my God, Nor did many of the things that he talked about The thing that he stumbled upon that made him the most money and started off the reason he eventually became famous is he started his own false escape route out of occupied France. Explain that to me. called Fly Talks. So basically the Germans invade Paris and they take over and then they start saying, you Jews can only live in this area and you can only go to the Get on the train. So of course, everyone's trying to get out of France. And he's like, I can get you out. All you need is twenty five thousand francs. comeome to my house. He's one of those. Let's do this thing. Yeah So U His codeen is doctor Eugene. don I think he made that up. Well, that's not really cunning. It's not cool sounding. So all it took was if you had the money. and he and he basically said he could arrange safe passage to Argentina or somewhere else in South America through Portugal. So he got people to come to his office or his this apartment and he told them that the Argentinian officials needed them to be inoculated so that he had to give them a shot. No. And then he gave them a shot that was cyanide, killed them all of their belongings and their money and disposed of their bodies. Oh no And all the people that heard about him and went to him in secret to get out of France were never seen again. Oh no. So at first he dumped the bodies in the Sine but he later destroyed them by submerging them in Qickline or burning them in this basement. So U In nineteen forty one, he buys a house at twenty one Rue Lseur. And what he fails to do is again, keep a low profile. So the Gestapo finds out that there's this dude, doctor Eugene that's getting Jews and resistance fighters and all these people, whoever ask twenty five thousand dollars out of France Franks Um, So They send and like a spy named Robert Dudkin I sorry, an agent, a Gestabo agent named Robert Judkin makes for for a prisoner named Ivon Dreyifus says you have to go be a spy, go contact this guy. say you're trying to get out of Germany. He disappears. no. So then now the Nazis are ono him. So then U Okaykay. so On march sixth, nineteen forty four, this is just get a good part because this is fucking crazy. And this is where I stumbled upon a documentary about this and this is where the documentary starts. And it was amazing. I watched like a third of it It was incredible. I thought I hit record. I had to go leave to do something else, came back, didn't record it, can't find it, can't find on I can't find it anywhere. Yeah. It started here and the way they told it was so good that I was like, this is the best story. So march sixth, nineteen forty four There's smoke coming from the chimney the chimney of that house. And it smells so bad and it's burning and burning and burning. So the neighbors complain and five days later, they in a group go to the police and they're just like, someone's got to do something about the smell coming out of this house and the smoke coming out of this house. U So when they all go down to the front door on march eleventh, they find a note on the door that says, I'll be back in a month. U, so U They find out that he also lives in that other house.. He has two houses. So the police call that house. It's two miles away. They call that house. and that Pitua answers the phone and says, haveave you gone inside yet? And the police are like, no. And he goes, Okaykay, don't do anything. I'll be there in fifteen minutes And they're like, okay. And then he never shows up. So half an hour later, it's now fully engulfed fire and they have to call the fire department so that the other buildings nearby don't burn down. And when the fire department breaks into the second story window, they come upon a scene that's just bodies and body parts everywhere they look.. So then Pitois arrives and he when the police are like, what the fuck is going on in your house? he's like, I'm a member of the French resistance And I've been luring Germans and Nazis to that apartment and killing them. And of course, everyone all the French people were like, great.. this is perfect. hate those guys. Yeah. Don't worry about this. And so they didn't arrest him because everyone was like, well, he's part of the resistance. let's keep it up or talk about it. But then they search the garage and that's when they find pit filled with quick lime with human remains still in it, then on the staircase, there's a canvas sack with human remains inside and enough body parts for at least ten complete bodies. What T. And then the basement had sinks that were large enough for draining corpses of their blood. And there's a sound proof up agonal chamber with wall mounted shackles and a peole in the center of the door. Oh my God, what a cree. Yeah, so they're not this isn't just like trick a spy into come to your basement and kill them. There's something else going on Yeah And so but they don't know if it truly is a member of the resesistance or if he's a German, like being like a double agent or whatever. And so as the veteran Paris police commissioner, Georgees Victo Maru I'm going toop doing that. I'm sorry. K he runs the investigation And while he's they're investigating this crime scene, it's one thirty in the morning. They get a telegram from police Paris police headquarters from the Germans, that the occupying. I mean they keep saying Germans in this murder pedia. There's like, seven articles on murder pedia. They keep saying Germans, but I think Germans in occupied France were Nazis M, Right? I would ass say. I would think so. Let me know when I'm wrong America. So they they get a telegram from the Nazis saying A quote, order from German authorities arrest Petois dangerous lunatic So then they're like, okay, he's not a German. Yeah. So In his other apartment, they find it abandoned, but they find large amounts of chloroform, digitalis, and other poisons in addition to large amounts ofusual medical remedies U so they find a man who had gone to him to Patois to escape, but had ended up changing his mind. And he said Patois had to offer him passage to South America for twenty five thousand dollars. Then while they're going through that basement with all the body parts, they find the remains of the two drug addicts that were going to testify against him in that narcotics case. And now they know there's it's the proof that those witnesses were murdered and that this guy was not being a noble Frenchman that was trying to fight the resistance Then they get his brother Maurice and Maurice immediately cracks and is like, Yep, we delivered quick cllim to this apartment. We also His wife, Georggette was arrested. on suspicion of aiding him and his accomplices, Nzodet Porschan and Albert and Simon Newhausen confessed that they help remove up to forty suitcases from the house Why does anyone need forty suitcases? It like they should have asked. If you have fifty bodies, you're going to need at least forty suitcases So Then the investigation comes to a halt because the invasion of Normandy happened. So everyone's like, sorry about this insane like multiple murderer. we've got to go. Yeah. So for seven months, Patois hides with his friends, He grows a beard, changes his appearance. He has all these different aliases friendriends Well, I mean, but he told the friends that he was fighting for the French presresident. believe it. Yeah. So they were like, yeah, hide him here. and you know it was that whole story The Paris police rose up against and the citizens and the resistant rose up against the German troops in Paris, the Nazis occupying France That's when Petois changes his name to Henri Valerie, and he joins the French forces of the interior, becomes a captain in charge of counter espionage and prisoner interrogations and basically is in the mix with the resistance for real Um Yeah. So then somewhere in that time, his defense lawyer for that narcotics trial that he got off on get that lawyer gets a letter from Petois saying that there was an article in a newspaper called Resistance that was all about Petois and what he did. And so he took the time to send his lawyer, his old lawyer a letter saying, lookook, that article is all lies. So now the police know he's still in France. Yeah. So There's a manhunt acrossance France to find him or across Paris, I should say He ends up participating in the manhunt for himself as Henri Valerie. Oh my God. whichich is fucking rad. Yeah. Okay. So he's recognized finally at the Paris Metro Station on october thirty first and he's arrested Among his possessions were a pistol. He had over thirty thousand francs on him and fifty sets of identity documents Which were probably a lot of them probably victims. H? suuitcases, sah There was like those families at LAA They're just stacking them up. Like where are you going and what are you fucking bringing? You're a bad packer. You can buy anything anywhere. There's a CVS on the remotest island What are you doing? Yeah Y o. He put he's put on death row He says he's innocent and he's a great fighter for the resistance. And he also says that he found the pile of bodies at that apartmently In February of nineteen forty four, he assumed that they were all collaborators that the members of his network had killed. So he was just like, well, just's leave them there then That's only right. That's not my problem. Well, the police look into all his stories about his time with the resistance and all the freedom fighting that he did. F out he had no friends in any of the major resistance groups. There was no proof of any of the exploits that he claimed, like booby trapping all of Paris. Most of the groups that he named never existed in the first place. So the anti fascist Spaniards that he was talking about, all made up U So they eventually charged him with twenty seven murders for profit He He basically took these people for an estimated two hundred million frans.. So he goes on trial, march nineteenth, nineteen forty six. He's facing one hundred thirty five criminal charges altogether. And his lawyer, Rene Floreis I'm trying to bug myself is up against a prosecution team that's the state prosecutors plus twelve civil lawyers all hired by the relatives of the victims that are just like, goo fuckking get him And he He basically tried to say in court that the victims were collaborators or double agents like they deserve to die or that they were living in South America under new names and that they're all fools or whatever. He did admit to killing nineteen of the twenty seven victims in his house, but he claimed there were Germans and collaborators. His lawyer attempted to make him look like a resistance hero, but nobody, the judge, the jury, nobody bought it.' so he ended up being convicted of twenty six counts of murder, sentenced to death. and on may twenty fifth, After a stay of a few days because there was a problem with the mechanism in the guillotine, he was beheaded. That's our guy, Marceu Petua Bu I want to see a photo of him Wow, that was great Thank you. Welcome Okay, we're back, Karen, any updates We don't have any updates, but we did get a really interesting email in twenty nineteen. The subject line of the email was episode ninety eight, Infob Marcel Pitois, German versus Nazi and thank you. Okay. And it says, Karen, Georgia and livestock. this is a little bit long, but it's kind of worth it It says, I'm writing about episode ninety eight in which Karen covered French Doctor and serial killer Marcel Petois. In preparing for a family trip to Paris in twenty seventeen I became an avid researcher of the best places to visit for a history and architecture lover like myself. I came across a book in my local library called Death in the City of Light, The sererial Killer of Nazi occupied Paris. What a dark, twisted tale and man. The book provided location maps in Paris, including the house that neighbors were repported burning which led to Petuis being found out and arrested. The book also covers his meetings with specific victims and how he manipulated them to come to his home in the first place. It also covers The trial of Petois, which was one of the most frustrating reads I've ever had to get through, he was absolutely nuts and tried to dominate the courtroom throughout. though through his own words and statements, one sees what a controller and a lunatic he actually was. In its day, the trial was very much like paparazzi frenzied trials of notorious or famous people for todayoday. It was a gawkerss paradise, and he was at the center of all of it enjoying the limelight Karen mentioned a documentary about the case, but that she had never been able to find it, so I wanted to share the book title for anyone who wants to know more. And as an aside, there was a question raised in this episode about whether it was correct to say France was occupied by Germany or Nazis. The German state was Nazi led during World War two, it would be correct to say German occupied as Germany was led and represented by the Nazi Party which carried out the horrific Nazi agenda we all know today Sad for the German people, but there is a huge cautionary tale for the world about extremism, gullability, and nationalism that we shouldn't water down. W. And then they say, this is not a correction of what Karen said, just a reminder that the people of a country, no matter if they agree with the controlling party in their government or not, share the responsibility for what their leaders do We are experiencing that in this country right now, this is from twenty nineteen. That's crazy. We're experiencing that in this country right now with the immigrant camps being set up to house women and children trying to come to America. These are American immigrant camps, and as such, we are all responsible for what is happening in those places in our name at the hands of our current leaders no less was true for the German state during World War two Thank you guys for doing your thing. Really enjoy it. Wow. I can't believe that it's from twenty nineteen. I mean, what a nightmare. You know there's now a children's detention center in Texas just for immigrant children by themselves. A nightmare idea And there's been a bunch of people that have like dedicated, you know, their time and their voices to like trying to get it shut down. But it's like this this government that we are living under, people, this is what fascism is. It's such a good point of like, yeah, you know, I would have been like, well, it's Nazi occupied, but yeah, it's German occupied. This is why you have to vote is because whatever represents us represents the entirety. That's right. You can't just do the red states. 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Let's you will Okay On the morning of february eleventh, nineteen eighty seven bicyclist is investigates what he thinks is a mannequin laying in the field in Fort Collins, Colorado. What it actually is is the body of thirty seven year old Peggy Hetrick U And she said, her purse is still slung around her shoulder. Belongings are inside. There's a half smoked cigarette and a pool of blood nearby There's a trail of blood one hundred feet from her body to the small pool on the curb her bra, blouse and black coat had been pushed up above her breasts and her underwear and jeans are pulled down to her knees I remember. you know this conversation now. Yes, yes, yes Wow, okay at the scene invvestigators collect two hairs, they're not her hair and thirteen fingerprints from her person aren't hers And they u they also u Okay, so they theorize that Peggy's killer, they think that they stabbed her as she was walking along the road, right by where next to the field, you know?ight Be she had been killed with one stab wound and then picked her up and perhaps by the wrists and dragged her into the field. That's what they think happened Um They also there was also twenty eight footprints going around and they they took photos of all of them, but they only plastered eight of them According to the corner, she died from a single stab wound in the upper left back. wasn't that crazy like one stab wound in she like died pretty quickly from it. Yeah. It's almost like he knew where to stab you someone to kill them U she likely died early in the morning, her body had been sexually mutilated. Here we go There's a precise removal of her nipple and areola as well as a female circumcision, including what one doctor described as a partial Vulvectomy. Oh no. yeah a procedure that requires high skcaill and quality surgical equipment to perform. So the knife she was stabbed with is not the same tool that was used to sexually mutilate her. Jesz is great. I know God I feel like I'm dumb to this shit now. little bit. Well, it seems to happen a lot Yeah. I mean, it's not, I think that's part of it. It happens all the time and people pretend like It's some kind of distant creepy crazy thing and it's like no pretty much happens all the time. All the time. Yeah. It' horrifying. Yeah Um So there's neat cuts. It's all like that, blah, blah blah. Okay. So let's talk about Peggy. She's a small woman, about one hundred and fifteen pounds, flaming red hair, really pretty woman. She worked at a department store and described by friends as fun loving, artistic. She was kind of annie Hll type And she was working on a novel in her free time about diamond smugglers. It was fiction. sounds fucking fun. and I wish I could read that So after leaving work at around nine PM the night before, february tenth, nineteen ninety seven, she is locked out of her apartment because her friend who she is letting stay there fell the fuck asleep and she couldn't wake her up And so she goes to a couple local bars. And she by about twelve thirty, she's at the Prime Minister Pub and grill. and she runs into her sometimes boyfriend, Matt Zonner He's a local car salesman. He's there with another woman, but they hug and kiss and talk. He offers her a ride home, but she ends up leaving by herself at one fifteen in the morning. So six hours and less than five hundred yards later her body is found. Wow yeah So So then the investigators are canvassing the area. There's some houses nearby, there's some trailers. they're talking to people seeing if they saw anything, especially the people whose windows face the field. And they talk to the father of a fifteen year old high school student named Timothy Masters. becausecause he and the father says that he watched his son leave for school that morning and deviate from his usual path across the field and stop at something and then keep walking to his normal route So they live in a mobile home about one hundred feet from where Peggy's body had been found So Timothy's pull out of class and the liieutenant Jim Rodderick, he's running the show. He's like in charge of the investigation They interrogate fifteen year old Timmy The for ten hours. He's alone He said that the reason he didn't call the police, he had seen the body that morning, but he thought it was a mannequin. he thought. And then later he was like that was weird. Is there something wrong? W someone playing a prank on me? L he didn't get it. Yeah, you know It was just fifteen. fifteen. And its like it's the thing of like your brain doesn't want it to be a mannequin, so like or to be a body. so but throughout the day, it it seems like he was kind of figuring out what was going on in his mind. And if you came upon a dead body of a mutilated, not just a stabbed woman, but like a terribly mutilated woman I think that would put you into a kind of trauma state. Yeah, shock mode. Yeah where you would And also this wasn't the time of cell phones. This was a while ago. Yeah. So he would have to keep walking to school to tell anybody Yeah. And then maybe by the time he got there, he was like couldn't deal with, like couldn't talk about it I saw a photo of the crime scene. she kind of does look like a mannequin. Like she's so pale, her red hair, you know, it's just like And the guy you, the adult who ended up calling the police, the bicyclist thought it was a mannequin too, and he's an adult. So you know, it's not out of the realm possibility U, but U d He says he's innocent as fuck there administer a lie detector test. results were inconclusive. Of course U, but he is on the top of the suspect list because he just because he didn't tell police about the body. R So they search his home They search the sinks for blood. they search the school locker, they search his clothes to see if there's blood or anything. And instead, they find and confiscate twenty two hundred pages of writing and violent artwork that Timothy had in his bedroom that he saved. He was kind of like a meticulous saver and saved all of his journals and shit. Um And they, let's see in his bedroom, backpack in school locker, and he has a knife collection and pornography. And this is the eighties, and that's not okay and Yeah. so There's no trace of Peggy's blood or hair at all anywhere, including on his clothes and the knife collection, but police are like convinced it's him. and these drawings, I'm sure you've seen them They're like fifteen year old metalhead nineteen eighty seven boy drawings. and they're fucked up for sure. Yes They're definitely fucked up Yes, I've seen like there's some kind of a twenty twenty type of thing I can show you all of them And but it's also that thing where so is like metal art' fucked up. It's like Eddie from the Iron Maiden album covers is one of the scary. I remember seeing that album cover for the first time at the record store and shitting a brick. It was like it's a skeleton with long white hair that's like and long fingernails coming at you. It was part of that art of it. you're supposed to be like, it's fucked up and scary and you know, I'm brave. And he's this like, you know, he's like this kind of loner skinny kid, like long messy hair Uh, notot a lot of friends. His mom had died four years earlier, lived in a trailer with his dad. So it sounded like he was kind of a drifter c type of kid probablyrobably got bullied and beaten have getting the shit beaten out of her constantly. Right. So the shit he was drawing, you know, skeletons with knives and like and a lot of like shit against women too. it's not pretty For sure.. and It would just be interesting if they like searched all the lockers and pulled that art It's all the boy art. Right Fing's there's not a draw me like when you' French lady' situation happening in high school. Yeah. when you're you're most like fucked up and unhappy and uncomfortable. Totally. Yeah. So okay. so acquaintance of Peggy said that she Mh that Peggy had recently been concerned over someone she had been dating. They ruled out her ex her sometimes boyfriend that she had seen the night before because a woman said that she had gone home with him U This dude Brodrick, Jim Brodwick, the fucking liieutenant is laser focused on he is like convinced even though there's a lot of other investigators that are like, we don't, they don't think it's him but he is like doesn't really look into anyone else and So Timothhey Masters, but they don't have enough to arrest him. So he grows up. He joins the Navy, sails around the world, becomes an aircraft mechanic He never has any discipline or problems or violent offenses. He's honorably discharged from the Navy. Okay, then the fast forward to nineteen eighty six this detective Jim Broderick asks a forensic psychologist in San Diego named Reed Milloy to study Timothy Master's you know, fifteen year old fucked up artwork. Yeah. And he kind of had a weird reputation. This guy Reed Milloy. He is an expert witness on sexual homicides. He thinks that you can read a person's personality into this artwork, which is kind of debated in the field And he even disclosed but he was himself had sexually sadistic fantasies. U oh. So this guy's problematic. Hold on a second Yeah, that's not that's not good now. Well, but maybe he was saying that like it's human. That kind of goes against what his thing is because like, well basically is the argument that everybody has them or like it's self expression because then you can't like focus in and be like, this Like you wouldn't understand it unless you had it to? Yes Yeah But also it's our self expression is, you know, that's what art is for. right? And you really need to do Eespecially when I don't think anyone else is going to see it. Yes, it's private And you're like you're trying to work some shit out. Yeah. well, I don't know. Anyway, fuck man. No, it's fucked up. Okay So the studude Reid Malloy analyzes the writing and artwork extensively and concludes without ever having spoken to him to Timothy Master, says that he that some of the drawings represented Masters reliving the crime. So he was like, seeee this drawing where it looks kind of like they're dragging a body. That's him reliving the crime. And then there's this one there's like it's this weird triangle with a stab wound in it and it looks It looks like a stab wound for sure, but this dude is like, o, it's a vagina and he's cutting into it. and it matches perfectly with the actual crime of Peggy's vagina getting mutilated. So they think that he went to school then went home and immediately started scribbling in tons and tons of notebooks No. They think some of the drawings are from after the murder before they got the notebooks, but most of them were before. But these ones like fantasy. Right. Okay. Right. So the triangle one was from before, but this other one was from after It doesn't make sense. Okay And it's funny too, because watch I watched the cold case episode about this. And it's before so this dude is like, it's totally him. he's the killer. And in august nineteen eighty eight, based on this, Jim Brodder goes to California and arrests twenty seven year old Jim Masters for the murder of Peggy Hetrick based solely on this evidence and circumstantial evidence. And twelve years later? Yeah. Jesus Over a thousand pages of Timothy Master's violent artwork are admitted into evidence including the vagina drawing. And so at the end of the trial, they held up like a close up photo of Peggy' wounds on her vagina next to a blown up photo of this triangle drawing. inststead it's chilling, they're the same thing And even th like it's just So creepy. And then they also show it's the thing of like I think in some cases, I mean, I've heard about, you can't show that many horrifying photos of the body at the trial because it brings an emotional response to the jury. So instead of thinking about the facts' seeing these photos and you know, so they they had like photo after photo of what happened her at R at the time. So then they're just like they It doesn't matter if it's him or not, they just want this they want to get this. like solved and out of their right. Or it's almost like and I think this happened too where it was like some people think where it was like they weren't sure he did it, but they saw this stuff over and over again and they were like, well, what if it is? And we know what happened. We can't let him go. Right U so So though some jurors had doubts about his guilt His drawings and writings were cited by the jury members as compelling evidence against him. and he is found guilty and sentenced to life in prison Okay D dah Bahah,ah In two thousand four, That's to two thousand four. That's ninety nine, two thousand four. Timothy Masters miles an appeal on the grounds of inff ineffective counsel And he gets a new defense team. they begin investigating the case. and they discover that evidence, including the hair that was found on Hetrick that was't his that wasn't Timothy's hair, and photographs of the fingerprints found in her purse were all missing And they had never been turned over to the defense. or no no, they're missing now. Yes So during the two thousand and, So they alleg that the prosecutors withheld evidence about links to another case that happened in the Fort Collins area about doctor Richard Hammond, who was potentially a suspect. Let's fucking talk about doctor Richard Hammond, everyveryone's favorite. So let's go back to nineteen ninety five seeven years after the murder Peggy D. Richard Hammond is an eye surgeon in the Fort Collins area. He's arrested for secretly filming women's genitalia. I copied and pasted that obviously, including his patients and in his own home through fake ventilation grates in his downstairs bathroom. So he put fucking video in the toilet and they said video after video, there were these highly calibrated shots zooming into the vaginal area of women in his toilet They were extreme close upps and they were almost microscopic. Investigators also found that Hammond kept thousands of dollars worth of pornography hidden in a locked office and a storage shut in town, indicating an obsession with female genitalia. He also had a secret bank account secret apartment and a secret identity And as a surgeon, he, of course, had the skills and equipment to perform the precision mutilation that was found on her body. So it could have been a acto knife or a razor blade And in nineteen eighty seven Hammond's bedroom window overllooked the location of where Peggy Heetrick's body was discovered. and he was home the morning after the murder despite his usually scheduled surgeries on that day of the week So that wasout a character for him thenen But no follow up investigation was ever done after that because he committed suicide several days after his arrest and Jim Broderick didnn't look into it, didn't look in a connection. Maybe, you know he maybe Peggy had been a client or a patient of his, who knows. And another weird twist, two weeks after Peggy's murder A woman who was red haired and kind of looked like Peggy who worked at the Prime Minister bar where Peggy had last been seen. She's out front of the bar selling tickets And hear someone behind her and a man with quote, a bodybuilder for seek was glaring at her. He pulled an icle from behind his back and made several stabbing motions in the air. What And she said he had a bodybuilder physique. Dr. Hammon was a bodybuilder. Sorry, he an icicle From where, I don't know. I guess the roof Jesus I know. Yeah. So it was argued that it couldn't actually have been done in the mutilation because it was so precise in the middle of a field in the dark like that. So it actually maybe happened somewhere else And that there was no way a fifteen year old could perform that that surgical procedure Okay, you think? you'd think that that would be ye, even though you're saying that the lead detective was like on only I know that happens But there's those kinds of things where it's like a logic problem Yeah a lot of it. Yes. this is a person that's like doing violent art and doing upsettingly violent art where there there's clearly a problem that that has not been addressed in anyway. Yeah. But then you're just adding all this like fifteen is like he can't drive yet. And he's the skinny little kid He so carrying a person's body on his own. n doesn't make any sense. There's no blood evidence anywhere on him. It's like the circumstantial evidence does not stand up to the fucking evidence that it's not him Except for. And again, it's what you're saying is the effect of like pictures on people and what you can read into pictures and what pictures make you feel. and how the power of that and then attributing what that power is and saying, I know what you meant when you drew this. It makes sense in your head. Yeah. Well So I watched the Cold Case Files episode So his case is going to get overturned, but before they make the Cld case episode as if When he gets sent to jail, he did it at the end, periodld case over. So the cold case isn't up to date. You don't mean cold case, the TV show blonde actress. Do Cold case files. OkayK, okay. Sorry, I wasn't doing No. I'm glad you said that. I'm like I bed this all off of cold case files Cool case. So there so they actually the prosecutors are interviewed in this because they're like, yeah, look what we did. we solved it And And the one woman who was the prosecutor was like, I saw the drawings and I thought, you know, it's like I got a chill and I knew he did it. Yeah. It's that shit. Yes beinging able to watch that from a place of knowing he didn' it is fucking creepy because it's like it's totally in her gut. She thinks he did it based on those looking at those photos. Based on surface things.. And that's which is how so much crime Yeah gets prosecuted or ignored. Yeah. becausecause then if you're also a clean cut a rich guy, then you're not you're not it's not considered that's beyond the imagination. because we all know who looks right and we know who's responsible for things in society and thens who does bad things? And that's you need to keep it that simple to not freak out every day. This is bad, this is good in your little world, that makes total sense. And that's not like that. nuance is a man. If anything else, if nothing else, I mean, let this podcast be the place where we say psychopaths are real good at dressing up like a good guy. Yeah. That's the whole idea. Yeah. And says. You're not gonna see crazy on the surface and someone who's really fucking good at it and smart Shit. Okay,. So o, and also her body appeared really clean and an expert later told the legal team that a sponge line appeared to run down the side of her body like she had been sponged off Oh, there's like no blood on her body. Even though she'd been stabbed in the back and murered with that stab. Yeah I think there was blood on her, you know, in the back, but no blood on the front of her body. No blood on her genitals? Yeah. Wow. So then it would have had to have been cleaned up. Yeah So they say that her body must have been washed. And they also tried to drag a woman the same size as Peggy through the field and it just can't be done with one person, the size of Timothy the size of a freshman in high school or sophomore. Yeah. But he's a skinny little kid. o Um, Okay, so the arrest so the arrest of Dr. Hammond and his subsequent suicide is' information that's withheld from the dude who is reading who thinks he could fuck tell by the drawings is Dr. Malloy.. So he was never told about any of the circumstances around their case Right So that's withheld from him and other experts, and the FBI was not informed of this case either. to reconsider their profiling of masters from nineteen eighty seven. So they were never told that there could be another suspect And so this dor. Maloy's fucking pissed at them for that. and And he's like, I wouldn't have testified against. I wouldn't have testified for you guys if I'd known this So in january two thousand eight, advanced DNA testing is done in Europe on the clothes of Peggy. and scientists found DNA on the cuffs of her blouse and on the wasaistement of her underwear that didn't match Timothy Master's. And some of the genetic material All of it left by skin cells, so it's the new touch DNA craziness is matched to Peggy's longtime on again, off again boyfriend, the dude she was at sought the bar. which and kissing him. Yeah. So it might have been it just would have made it that he's the focus, not Timothy, but of course, but he has It doesn't sound like a really tight alibi, but He has an alibioy. Okay. So on january twenty second, two thousand eight, a Colorado judge vacates Timothy Master's conviction and orders him released immediately And in june twenty eleven says he's no longer a suspect in the murder and he's completely exonerated And how old is he now? I don't know how old he is, but he spent ten years in jail. So he was arrested when he was twenty seven, so he's you know Almost ten years, like nine a half years in jail. I know. So the prosecutors are disciplined in the case and fucking Lieutenant Jim Broderick is like getting some crazy. He's indicted on eight counts of felony first degree perjury. for material false statements he made with the arrest and conviction, but the fuckking three year statute of limitations for perjury is gone. So even though this kid spent ten fucking years and you can't get that back, his statute of limitations I hate statute of limitations. Okay But then he's indicted again. They're like, no, dude, nine counts this time, but those charges are also dismissed, but he resigns. Yeah. I would hope. Yeah So the county settles with Timothy Masters for initially he basically gets almost ten million dollars. Holy. Yeah a million dollars a year for going to jail. Yeah.uck, takeake it or leave it no, no, no No, no, no, no You s in your voice it almost sounded like that's easy. Well I think that was passing through my head. Yeah I mean, obviously no fucking way. H living hell Of course So I don't know anyone that would. No, There's nobody, right? I mean, unless people have been like, no, like my cousins are all on the inside and I'll be fine. If you had some kind of guarantee of protection, you were the head of some jail gang or some shit like that, orr like, you know all those stories of like the when like the mafia guys go to jail and they have like their own you know, they have their own lazy boy chair their shit. I don't even have a lazy boy chair. I'm out to jail. be thinking Oh good fellows, yeah. where they're like making making pasta like that mean I bet it's like that. For some people, I bet it is. But I bet it's a real it really drops off if you don't have that. Yeah. On year three, you're like, o, this might have been a mistake. I could have maybe made money. had a lottery. Yeah. whichich is also why we all have to remember there's a lot of things going on in the world. so this isn't this is nobody's priority right now But for profit jails is the most evil concept and they they have to be gotten rid of. Like that idea is what's going to drive us into a dystopian future. The idea that they would make money of keeping people in jail, which is already hellish for most people. and already there are so many people in jail that like this guy How many stories were this of black men? I was Yeah, and you're completely right about f justust the basic conflict of interest that you make money, the more people are in jail. The more people are j. It's so wrong. You can't get past that. There's no argument past that. I actually won a fight with my uncle at dinner one time because we started talking about it. he was like, no, I think. And then I was just like, this and this we're just like you simply can't it's already happened in a lot of cases, you know, where obviously, where people are like it's either people are on the take or they know that you know they get certain cases through where it's like don't even listen, you don't have wr representation or whatever and boom, boom, boom It's just a nightmare. If you ever get a chance to vote against four pro, just educate yourself on that Yeah because God Please God no. It's a nightmare. It doesn't make any sense Oh, this whole world Yeah is a fucking mess anyway. U Yeah, so he got all that money. But we still don't know who killed Ky had a whole case And they said they're looking into it, but I haven't been able to find any updated articles, any fucking information. I think when you and I talked about this, we also talked about comparing it to the movie The River's Edge, which is a movie from the late eighties, I believe. Yeah, I think so. And it's one of the most disturbing. When I saw it, I was like a teenager and it was so disturbing But it was kind that was like this that kind of era where it was like Tes today are becoming very disaffected and no one cares and there's an apathy. and it's not that that movie was trying to say that specifically, but it was almost like this. That was a cultural thing in that tipper gore era of like your music is bad and your rap music and all that kind of people are actually Satanists, these teenagers the Satanic panic kind thing. And so instead of these days where we're slowly learning that it's like a trauma response whereas like if something like that happens to you as a child, you would never know how to deal with it. and you could completely be in shock, literal physical shock for days on top of the fact that Bys are taught, especially if he was being raised only by his father, you're not allowed to have feelings. He couldn't go to school and start crying. Yeah. He couldn't you know what I mean? Like he's supposed to either man up you know, like his choices were so limited in dealing with that problem. And from what I could see when he's talking about why he didn't call the police and what he thought it was a mannequin is that Throughout the morning He is slowly starting to realize what it was. It's like he needs to get there. So maybe he would have called the police later in the day. Yeah once he it kind of dawned on him 'use he was like contemplating it like I got on the bus and I was like, Is someone playing a trick on me that looked like a man Is someone trying to prank me? Like he didn't understand what it was And I think that that's I think yeah, your brain won't say there's a dead body. It says, there's a mannequin, which is why we're always like, It's not a mannequin. It's because we can't fucking even deal with the fact that something might be a dead body. Your brain is immediately like mannequin. Yeah, not real. To explain this away so that this panic doesn't rise in me and all of my systems go aberserre, R for sure and also then once some that piece of information does go it like like if he did see her genitals that would that would have traumatized him so terribly. Tally. It doesn't matter what fuckin some kid draws in a notebook. The real thing is totally different Yeah. And if you listen to heavy metal and you're trying to be a tough guy, that's one thing. orr like if you're expressing your rage for whatever reason, that's one thing. But seeing it in real life must have been horrifying for this kid.. And like the saddest part is that This whole charade and this whole insane, you know laser focus on this kid and these thirty fucking years of This case And there's nobody there's nobody we're held responsible for Peggy's murder, and it's almost it's just not the focus anymore of the case. Right. So if that hadn't been the case, then maybe murder would have been solved. Well, yeah, because that's the problem with the ego coming into it. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's just, I think Like they're they're learning better and better and faster and faster as these things come up where it's like, well, it used to be for years and hundreds of years, it was all theory. and it was whoever could kind of like you know, boss the situation the best they could and make everybody feel safe again. Yeah. because that's a lot of it too. And then it's just like, but now it's like, here's a proof that didn't happen. Here's the proof that you know, it's not that way and everyone has to adapt and like, you know,s same thing of Paps not not operating across county lines where it's like, okay, so you'd prefer to go unsolved than to have help. Well it's like and everyone did that, including the prosecutors and one one of the woman female prosecutors said that she' embarrassed that she hadn't didn't have more info or something like that It's just Yeah, you can't you can't do that. And I think this is one of those cases of that they use as an example of why you can't you can't make the evidence fit You're suspect. Y. It has to be the other way around. Totally. Yeah, exactly right. which sorry because I know a lot of people like went the other direction after a while, but that's the Stehven Avery thing.. There's no fucking evidence that any of the stuff that Brendan Dassse was like led to say. Yeah they couldn't find a drop of fucking blood in that in his house, where where the one witness who got him convicted said it happened.. It didn't happen that way. Now it could have happened a different way or something else could have happened that nobody's been like talked about. That one thing didn't happen I convicted him. That's what's fucked out. Totally Well it's a fact Okay, we're back. Are there any updates? There are. So Timothy Masters wrote a book detailing his experience being tried, jailed and exonerated for Peggy's murder titled Drawn to Injustice, The Wongful Conviction of Timothy Masters Peggy's brother, Tom Hetrick has remained vocal about his sister's case, making public appeals that he hopes will reignite interest. And the Colorado's District atttorney's offffice declared the case close and said that it would require a full confession from the perpetrator to change that Wow. Well, now it's time for us to get into good things of the week. Are there any? I think so. Okay, good Is this our ninety ninth episode Is it? ninety eight. ninety God. So we have two weeks to find a fucking person to have on the show or just think of a theme Yeah, let's not add that onto the show. I was gonna say we're like, no, we have to do something now. No, I don't know why thought of that. What if we just don't do a one hundredth episode? and we just go right to one Ter one one. Yeah. It's like the thirteh floor. Yeah. The thirteent floor. Wayside schoolchool episode. What if we just didn't do a one hundredth episode? Whatever you want I don't get a shit. I mean, I've already bought your present, but that's fine C D you me something? No A excited I got The joy on your face. Yeah you have to get me something. Yes. Now we have to get each other to something.. Shit, I guess I'm part of that