The Five Second Rule for Life

They can Grow Rich. Amazing book. One of the best selling books of all time. But the whole backstory completely fake. And he's uh a total con man. What What do you mean none of it's true? I feel like I can rule the world, I know I could be what I want to I put my all So I have to tell you the story. So I'm re reading a bunch of old books because I like reading old books. And I started reading uh Dale Carnegie, How to Wins Friends and Influence People. Have you read that one? I love that book, Sam. Rule number one. Rule number one. The uh a person's name is the uh is the most beautiful in the English language. The golden rule. I love that book. I just I the reason I like these old books is because some of them the the the rules have stood the test of time and the writing is always like older writing for some reason, it's like cute. There's something about it. I took the book. And you know how people wear like you're a denim guy, you know this, distressed jeans. Oh yeah. I distressed the book. I roughed it up a little bit. I made it look like this is an heirloom that's been passed down from Napoleon himself. Did you like dog ear certain pages even though you did did didn't even read the thing? Tattered. Tattered like folded. I made this book look Like it has already won friends and influence people. You just put it in the back of your pocket and just walk around with it. For people who don't know the book, or people have heard of the book, but if you if it's been one of those things like uh you know, like The Wire, it's like I heard it's a great show, but it's kinda old now and I just I guess I'm out on that. Like if you know of the book but you haven't actually cracked into it. Tell the quick story of it. Uh, Dale Carnegie, um he originally was a public speaker and he taught public speaking classes. Then he created a book called How to Win Friends and Influence People. And I think it's like fifteen or twenty rules on how to basically make friends and make people like you. So it could be saying their name, it could be asking them questions. So they do most of the talking. It's uh never arguing. with someone, uh, 'cause there's no one wins an argument when you guys fight. And there's like how many fifteen or twenty rules. And it's just like an old timer book. It was released in the nineteen thirties, so it's almost a hundred years old, and it's probably has sold fifty to a hundred million copies. And to this day, there's the Dale Carnegie Institute, which is a public speaking classes. And uh a lot of amazing people, including Warren Buffett, have said that uh that book influenced them and helped them and in fact Warren Buffett, he was an instructor at the Dale Carnegie Institute, I believe. Okay, great. And you were gonna say. So you've been reading the rereading this book. Rereading that one. I'm reading uh I just got the uh power of positive thinking. That's another one from the nineteen thirties. Uh I just love these old books. And like I told you, I'm in the um motivational phase of my life right now. I'm I'm back at it. Uh, I just want to be influenced, uh, to be uh, you know, motivated and happy and all that stuff. It's a girl dad thing. You know what I'm saying? Like once once you have a girl, you know, you're just emotional. You're and so I'm into this stuff. But there's one book that I started reading last night and I was curious about it. Uh, the author. 'Cause it just got me interested, but it's called Think and Grow Rich. Have you read Thinking Grow Rich? A classic. I've re again, read the first thirty pages. Loved it. So you've read thirty pages, you get it. So let me tell you the story about Think and Grow Rich. Thing Grow Rich, one of the earliest self help books. I think it predates uh How to Win Friends and Influence People. It sold around a hundred million copies, making it one of the best selling nonfiction books of all time. And to this day, it still regularly lands on the uh New York Times bestsellers list. I mean, it's a huge thing. And And so basically the story is that there's this guy named Napoleon Hill. Can I say it wrong and you correct me? Isn't it something like He got commissioned by Carnegie. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And he went and interviewed all these people or he hung out with what was it? What is the story? So It's even more epic than that. So basically Napoleon Hill is this guy from Appalachia, came from nothing. He's this really poor kid and makes his way to New York City and he's writing an article for a magazine and he meets Andrew Carnegie, who at the time, this is like Elon Musk. Uh he's the best of the best. So Andrew Carnegie runs uh Carnegie Steel. This is Tesla. This is the biggest company in the world by far. And he's talking to Andrew Carnegie and um Uh Napoleon was like look um I'm just trying to figure out what makes six people successful. And Andrew Carney goes, Look, son, you seem promising. I want to tell you to do something, but can you promise me you'll actually do it? Because I have a feeling you're not gonna follow through. But if you do follow on me, I think you're gonna be really successful. And Napoleon goes, Look, I'm desperate for success. I'll do anything you say. And Andrew imagine Elon Musk saying, Sean I need you to go out and talk to five hundred people, the most successful people on earth, and I need you to tell me what made them successful because I want the world to know about this gospel. They have to know what makes people successful. And I need you to study them for the next twenty years. And I will help fund it. I will help make this a reality. Will you do that? And Napoleon goes, Hell yeah, brother. I am in. This sounds like o the world's greatest mission. Let's do it. And so Andrew Carnegie introduces them to Henry Ford. They introduce him to um John Rockefeller, also one of the richest men in the world, and even introduced him to Woodrow Wilson and then FDR, the president of the United States. And Napoleon Hill spend a decade or two writing this book. And it becomes they can grow rich, and it basically distills down All of the amazing stuff that makes someone successful. And it it goes even further. Nob after this book, because Napoleon Hill got to meet all these presidents, um, he he basically was there when Woodrow Wilson negotiated the end of World War One. And he helped like give Woodrow Wilson like the speech that he needed to convince um Germany to like, you know, back down and then It goes even further. Do you remember the famous line uh from F D R he says, uh the only thing we have to fear is fear itself. Pauline Hill baby, he wrote that for him. Yeah, pretty amazing, right? Fingerprints are all over this country. All over this country. He shaped America. Well None of it's true. What what do you mean none of it's true? Everything I just told you. Is a lie. Except for Fake and Grow Rich. Amazing book. One of the best selling books of all time. Everything else? Totally false. All right, I read a ton. I would say almost a book a week. And the reason I read so much is because my philosophy towards reading is I want to see what worked for the winners that I love and what strategies they use. And then I want to see what mistakes were uh did they all make. What were the common flaws that they all had. And I just want to avoid that. And so HubSpot asked me to put together a list of the books that have changed my life. And I did that. And so I listed out seven books that made a meaningful difference in my life. And I explained what the differences that they had on me or what actions I took because of the book. And then also I list it out my very particular ways of reading because I'm pretty strategic about how I read and how I read so much and how I remember what I read and things like that. And so I put this together in a very simple guide. It's seven books that had a huge impact on my life. And you can scan the QR code below if you want to read it. Or there's a link. You guys know what to do. There's a link in the description. Just go ahead and click it and you'll see the guide that I made. So it's the seven books that had a massive change in my life. And then also how I'm able to read so much. So check it out below. So what do you mean? Where did this come from? Listen to this. So uh Napoleon Hill originally was called Oliver Napoleon Hill. That was his name. Married someone at the age of six already minus five. Yes. Married someone at the age of sixteen or seventeen, eventually gets divorced because he s goes broke and spends all of his money on prostitutes. Um starts a lumber company and he uh gets arrested for fraud. uh gets arrested again for stealing a bunch of cars. And if you go to the MBD master document, I actually list his rap sheet. So he got in trouble in nineteen oh eight for lumber fraud. In nineteen oh eight again he gets arrested for uh cashing fake checks. In nineteen oh nine, he creates this thing called the Automobile College. which uh teaches kids how to uh work on cars turns out he actually kinda teaches them how to go and sell the course. So it's a multi level marketing scheme. And he gets run out of town because he runs off with a lot of money, gets arrested again in nineteen ten for car theft and just like a history. just like literally been in jail, we're talking like fifteen or twenty times. And He comes out with this I mean, he just tries business after business after business. He literally tries like fifteen businesses. They all fail. He uh marries a woman, he convinces the woman's parents to uh loan him money for this like uh farm or something he wants to start. That goes out that goes broke up, uh bankrupt and he divorces the woman. I mean real broke. Yeah, like really bad. And so in the nineteen thirties. So did the Carnegie part happen at all? Did he even interview any of these people? So Carnegie died in nineteen nineteen. And in the nineteen thirties, he comes out with this book. He had written a bunch of books already that none of them were hits. This particular one was a hit. And he tells the story of meeting Andrew Carnegie and how Andrew Carnegie asked him to do this. Zero proof. that he met Andrew Carnegie and Andrew Carnegie I've read actually three biographies on him. He I got married at Carnegie Hall because I loved him so much. The book comes out, I think, in nineteen twenty nine. Carnegie has been uh dead for ten years. And David Nassau, who wrote the best biography on Carnegie, they're like Carnegie documente everything. There's no proof that he said that. Carnegie said no. Carnegie didn't say anything about this. What about the people Wilson and FDR and None of it happened. She'd never been any of these guys. And nobody debunked it? Well, so here's the thing. People did debunk it later on, but it's sort of like R. Kelly and his music. You could separate the art from the artist. Do you know what I mean? Like I could still I could still listen to the music and acknowledge that it's good music. But a lot of his his the book was so good, and I could talk about some of the stuff in the book. It was so good that it's known that he was a a fraudster and that all of the story It's completely fake. But the book is actually so good that he He didn't get a pass, but people acknowledge the book's great and uh also he's full of shit. So in the book, there's actually a bunch of amazing stuff. For example, have you heard of the term mastermind? Mm-hmm. He created that. So he came up with this idea. Probably lies. Probably all lies. You think I believe that? Don't pull me again. That's a Andrew uh uh a Napoleon Hill term. So he created this idea of I mean He popularized it, at least. popularized it, but it's I think it's the first time that someone has ever said the word mastermind or at least published. Um he did a bunch of um amazing stuff. So in the book he says that you need to be you need to have a specific goal. You need to write it down and you need to repeat it to yourself. Every single day, twice a day. That's been proven to be true. Like there's a lot of research that shows like if you write down goals, you repeat it to yourself, you are something like two times more likely to achieve your goal. Another thing that he said was like this idea of persistence and grit. And he like goes through the tons and tons of chapters of like the importance of persistence and grit. Angela Duckworth, I think we talked about it, has this book called Grit, and it's also been proven that grit is more likely to make you succeed than IQ. And then there's other parts where He talks about like daily affirmations and like this is all woo woo stuff, but this is like proven to be true that if you like affirm that you're going to be successful and all these things, you are actually more likely to be successful. And so he's actually does have a lot of amazing stuff. There's some other weird stuff. He talks about how like sexual energy is the most powerful energy on earth and you need to harness it. There's a bunch of weird stuff in there, but there's a lot of really amazing stuff. And so uh when I but when I read about his background, I just thought it was like one of the craziest things that I've ever read about because it's so in depth about how he just lied about the entire backstory. His whole life basically is a lie. Oh, and by the way, I have to add, ha if you read the book, Have you noticed how he mentions the secret? Uh, I don't remember that, but yeah. Okay. Okay. So in the book he talks about there's the the secret to success. It there is in fact a secret. Andrew Carnegie, the most successful man on earth, he conveniently dropped the secret into my pocket. And um That's what I'm gonna talk about. Well In the book They can Grow Rich, he never actually outlines the secret. Or sorry, he never like explicitly says what it is. But what he does say is he goes, I've written another book about this, The Secret, and I've outlined it. Uh Perfectly. I made it incredibly clear now. The thing is is like I'm not even gonna tell you the name of the book. It's gonna come to you when you need it. And it was called this book was called The Law of Success. And it was a fourteen volume course. that you had to buy. It was very expensive. And so the book Fake and Grow Rich, it's just the front door offer. It's like the cheap version. So like the the ten dollar book that upsells you on the two thousand dollar course. And so this is like one of the early versions of like An unclosed loop, like an open loop. uh to like get people to go and buy stuff. And then you could go and buy his seminars. And so his marketing prowess was like pretty amazing and he t it's totally worked. Uh Napoleon Hill became like a seminar company and it actually was somewhat successful before he uh stole a bunch of money and and it got in trouble for fraud. His marketing was amazing and the book actually has a lot of amazing stuff, but the whole backstory completely fake. And he's uh a total con man. That's pretty wild. Uh similar to like the what what's going on with the Jay Shetty thing, right? Have you seen this? You know Jay Shetty? He's like me with green eyes. So I've he's a very attractive guy. Very popular. His backstory is That you the monk. I was a monk, you know? I I was I was in trouble, I blah blah blah. And I went and I became a monk in India or Nepal or something. And then one day, and this is where I knew the story was bullsh immediately, one day, guess what happened? A monk at the monastery comes to him and says, You're not meant to be here. You're meant to do more, like to do bigger things in this world. You're meant to go Back to America and start a podcast. Essentially told you, you're meant to go popularize this monk wisdom. Which I mean, come on. Do we really think that a monk broke his silence and just randomly went up to him and was like, No, no, no, you you. are supposed to go to this other thing. Like how convenient. How convenient. It's bullshit. So basically I like it's questionable, I think, even if he was a monk, uh if he ever did like a stint as a monk. Uh like being a monk, I think is also like a kind of long term commitment versus like I did a seven day retreat at a thing or whatever. So I think that part's questionable. Definitely the part about the monk telling him like your your p your purpose in life is to go do this other thing. That's bullshit. He's only thirty eight years old and he's been famous for like ten years. I'm just waiting for it to be revealed he wears colored contacts. That's gonna be the final straw for me. But basically, and then they're like, Oh, he has this degree. And it's like, oh wait, he didn't actually have that college degree. In fact, he has his own school that gives their own certificates for ten grand. And that's where he got his certification from. It's like the whole thing, you know, starts to fall over. But you know what? Like The things he says, right, he took old ideas, he re popularized them in his book. Uh, you know, his podcast he gets people to open up and and he's a good podcaster. You know, so it's it's it's hard, right? And the art from the artist, as you said. And so I think it's very, very similar. He uh was the officiant of J Lo and Ben Affleck's wedding. You are meant to. Appreciate celebrity. Um I I met a guy who was like his like brand coach. Like early on. And I was like, I was like tell me, is this real? He was like, I have no he's like, I have no idea. And I knew better than to ask. I was like, Okay, sounds good. Dude, that's crazy. I can't tell if the self help industry Is actually has a higher percentage of this sort of like Yes. Fraud and fakery. And there's something about the nature of wanting to be a guru that l is attractive. It's kind of like politics, right? The people who seek power. tend to be people who are flawed in certain ways. The people who deserve power don't seek it. And so I wonder if it's the same thing with like the kind of self help guru space or If it's a conf if it's a bias where you just really remember the cases where they are they turn out to be frauds because it's so So uh damning, right? Given that given the front that they per that they present. And so maybe it's just that it actually like strikes a bigger cord, or is it actually more frequent? I don't know. I know a bunch of self help people and I know that the majority of them What does that mean? Who who do you know? Wha what are you talking about? How many self help people even are there? I mean, first of all, our w some people look to us as self help people, to be honest. So like we run in circles with people that like at least have a book about are in the self help in uh category, right? Like uh Um so like and I know that like when I see them I'm like You son of a bitch, you build this into existence. And and you I don't think I I don't know anyone who I would say they're fraudulent, but it just like you're just painting the best picture of the reality, um, which I don't think is necessarily wrong. But who do you know, if anyone that's in the self help industry that you think is totally legitimate? Well let me give you give you give you the nuance here. What is legit mean? So what I don't mean by legit is You live a perfect life, 'cause no one does. So that's not that's not the criteria. If that's the criteria, then nobody should ever Yeah there is no such thing as as this. The second is that, well, you had these problems, and that's why you're you know, you had these problems. Look at your broken past. So it's like your your present doesn't need to be perfect. Neither does your past, because of course the people who get really into self-help are the people who needed it, right? They're the people who They had the pain, they had the wound, and therefore they went and studied. Therefore when they overcame, they you know, they have the deepest mastery and understanding of it because they actually like self actualized, self did it. So I don't hold it against anybody also if they had uh, you know, sort of a broken past. The only thing I think is bogus is A? The things you preach. don't actually help people or they're like a lower form of um of success or or your sort of s uh help this is sort of like the Andrew Tate problem. Right, like he might uh W or even to an extent, you know, there's people who are like fitness people who it's all about the grind and suffering. Or there's business success people who again it's all about the grind and suffering and h and so you're you're actually giving people a a dirty form of fuel, right? You're giving them a you're popularizing A path that is um not actually the best method, right? It's like giving medicine that's you know, not as effective as the leading medicine when the leading medicine exists. Like as a doctor, you really shouldn't be prescribing medicines that are not as effective. You should be prescribing the what whatever the most effective thing is in the market. So that's that's the first knock I have. And the second is you're you're actually lying about your past or you're lying about You know, you're you're present. Like The line I think is Obviously a Breaker. It's obviously a trustbuster. So yeah, you know, that that's kind of what I think. You said who do I think is legit? Okay, my honest opinion that I'm afraid to say 'cause I think it'll be immediately attacked, but Tony Robbins I think is legit in uh In the two definitions I just gave. One I think his advice is extremely helpful and I think it is sort of the best medicine, uh, for for Uh you know, a a broad scale of people. Um so I I think what he preaches is actually extremely helpful. And I don't think he's lying. What is there to lie about? What claims has he made. I've never seen evidence that he lies about like his past or whatever. Um you know, does he embellish or exaggerate or you know, like h uh you know, like make the conveniently trim the timelines for the story. I have no idea. I don't I don't go audit that. You know, I think the criticism of him is Twofold. One is like did he get me to'd and like is did he do that stuff? I d I don't know what what that situation is. And the second is is it a cult? Like is it almost so effective. Then it becomes like a cult. Like he's sort of an abuse of power. If people are fallen so far into his rabbit hole that like Somehow that's a negative thing. Um I personally got a lot of value from it. So like I guess that's my bias on this. I've read his books. I like 'em. I don't know anything about his personal life though. Um a person who I could say is totally legitimate, and this is based off of me hanging out with him for collectively eight hours, so not that much time. But also talking to dozens of his employees. Gary Van Derchuck. Uh Gary Vaynerchuel. Interesting. Uh I have nothing but positive things to say about Gary Vanerchuk. And he's one of these guys who um gets criticized for hustle culture. I think he works actually that hard, which you could argue is not good. But everything that he I've seen him say online, I have heard his employees who have worked with him for years back it up and say it was completely legitimate. And he's a wonderful man. I have another one, Jesse Itzler. I've now spent a lot of time with Jesse Itzler and uh You know, if you think about uh when you meet people, there's sort of uh think of it like in math terms, there's like the Y intercept, which is where the points the line starts. It's like how high up does it start? That's usually your expectations or their reputation. Um, you know, people you know, we met like Ty Lopez and we met the guy from Fire Festival, right? So they're low on the Y intercept. They you you come in with a extremely negative perception. Uh, there's other people who you come in with extremely positive perception of of like, uh are they really as good as it is. And then there's the slope of the line from there. Does it down does it slope downward, does it slope upward? Jesse's one of the few people that was I came in with a high expectation and then he's only ever beat it. Like and I've done I've been to his house, I've met his family, his kids, I've done multiple like kind of events where he came and we hung out. We've done podcasts together, like I'm not his best friend. I'm not with him all the time, but I've Every time I'm around this guy, I'm like wow, he's the real deal Holy Fi. This is this is really like He lives what he preaches and um He's just a genuinely good dude. Like genuinely there for ya and um I just haven't been able to detect the normal flaws that come with this sort of stuff, whether it's narcissism. Or it's a extreme self-interest and they're money motivated underneath the hood. Or they're fame motivated, or they're really protective of their image. Or they've they kind of have this like weird tendency to like uh brag or tell dominate the room or you know things like that. He's got none of that shit. And I've I've literally asked him, I'm like, How did you slay the money monster? You don't seem you're like you're the only guy in this room that's not. Just still chasing more, more, more, more, more um success. Or how did you, you know? They were talking about this and you actually have done more than all of them in the room, but you didn't say anything. He's like, Well, I didn't feel a need to. Like, Well what I do I I don't need to prove something. I didn't need why did I why would I have needed to do that? I was there to learn. I wanted to learn. I wanted to hear. And I was like, wow, this guy's awesome show up in a great way. Today's episode is brought to you by HubSpot. 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So There's a guy named Pete. So he's a Austrian dude. He learned to code. He builds like a PDF side project of sorts uh called PS P D F kit. And it actually becomes like the gold standard for like a PDF library for developers. It's used by like Apple and Box and Docusign and He basically bootstraps the thing. He ends up selling a majority steak. I think he sold it for a lot of money, like a hundred million dollars. Tries to retire early. He's like Golf sucks. Uh, has an existential life crisis. Like, what do I want to do? Decides, all right, I'm gonna keep building. That's what I enjoy doing. So he starts building open source projects. He launches like, you know, forty, fifty different open source small little tools or projects before this. And then he decides to create like Jarvis from the movies. He's like, Why don't I just have an AI assistant that lives on my computer, like on my desk. And I just tell it to do things and it could just do it. And the problem with most AI tools. before this was that they, you know, you could talk to you could go to that AI app and you could talk to it and it could tell you things, but it couldn't do a whole lot, right? Because it didn't have access to your different apps and your accounts and it couldn't message somebody, it couldn't send money, it couldn't control this, it couldn't control that. And he was like, forget it, I'm gonna give it God mode. I'm gonna give it access to this stuff. And uh uh the reason why I like it do that is I'll put it on my own little computer here instead of in the cloud and it'll run as an open source project locally on my computer. So he releases this thing initially called uh Claud Bot. And then Anthropic who makes Claude was like, hey. kindly suggest you change your name. if you wanna ever see your mother again or something. You know, they say he gets forced to change, he changes it once, twice, and it ends up becoming open claw. So it becomes one of the fastest growing GitHub projects ever. Twitter goes nuts over this thing. It starts a revolution. People are buying Mac minis. The price of Mac minis is going through the roof. And then Recently he gets acquired. Acquireed. By open AI for an undisclosed sum of money. People speculate. could be a very large sum of money. Is this a one person billion dollar aquire? We don't know. We don't know what this is. Uh and now he's part of open AI. So that's the story. That's what people online were saying. They said it was a billion dollars, but I have no idea if that's true. Nobody knows. What's crazy you talked to I think last year you said the the word of two thousand twenty five is generative. So alright, do me a favor, share your screen again and click his GitHub uh link. Look at how many projects. This guy has uh put out With the last one being open claw. But is that amazing how many projects or little products that this guy tried to make before he got to the huge win. It's not shocking. Let me put it that way. I think it's awesome, but it's not shocking because this is a pattern you'll see over and over and over again. Which is that People who are the best. They make the best quality stuff tend to also make the highest quantity of stuff. They take a lot of shots on gold. They're prolific. They're generative. Often it's because they start earlier, but even if it's that not that they start earlier, they just Tempt more than you. And that's a good example. In fact, uh Levels had this great tweet. Uh about his hit rate. Levels being Peter Levells, who we've had on the pod, and he's kind of helped invent this word of indie hacker. He probably is I would say he's the most famous A D hacker. And he does something like two million dollars a year with just him making a lot of these uh projects and he's pretty amazing. All right, so check this out. Same tweet, same idea from Levels. So he says four out of the seventy plus projects I did ever made money and grew. Ninety five percent of everything I did failed. My hit rate is only five percent. So ship more. And then he had basically a list, it's like all projects. And then he has projects that made good money and crew. Nomad list, remote talk, brease. And a YouTube YouTube network for electronic music. Those are the four out of seventy that he did uh to try to make this successful. I j I've joked before, he's like the Jordan logo. for Indy Hackers, which is his like sitting on a couch, shirt off, and his boxers just typing on a laptop, sitting in Bali or whatever. And He basically showed that he has a ninety something percent failure rate. that it took him whatever, fifty plus projects before he had a hit. And um, you know, all the revenue, all the success comes from like, you know three or four projects that he did out of such a long list. I'm not um I don't view myself as a prolific person. I think you're blind to it, dude. You did sl uh here's projects I know that you've done. Just projects, right? Sam's attempt to make a thing and be successful. Okay. Hot dog stand. Uh next one. Um moonshine company selling moonshine stuff online, right? Uh the book club that you did in San Francisco, events business, newsletter business, blogging business. Um paid subscription business, Airbnb rental business, Airbnb community, mastermind community. That's I'm on ten and it's been ten seconds. Right. I don't even know how that's the shit that you've done. What's funny is um Keep going. What else is there? Keep going. Conferences, uh meetups. I did a lot of meetups and conferences. Uh I create a copywriting thing called copy that dot com. Uh Copywriting workshop you hosted it at my office one week and I remember school. Uh, Sam's list. Your thing. Sam's list of accountants. Okay, what else? Uh a web well, I made three thousand dollars from a website that taught you how to get a roommate in San Francisco. Roommate matching, roommate finder, roommate infographics, uh My Renter, which was a universal rental application. This podcast, MoneyWise Podcast, uh your Instagram uh Instagram like influencer content uh attempt. What else? I don't view those as attempts. I just I and I guess that's kind of the point, which is the point. When um it's just like you're just like doing things in your free time that seem like hobbies. And y you uh I don't know I don't know your family well, but so you could decline to answer this, but like you have siblings. In the same amount of time. Like let's say that was like a fifteen year period. And we named at least seventeen things just now. Maybe tw there's probably twenty, twenty five things total if we if we really thought about all the things, right? How many do you think the average person or even a sibling in your own home will grew up with the same same environment as you? Would have attempted. Is it one to one ratio? Is it half as much? Is it a quarter as much? Is it a tenth as much? What is it? It's a less than a tenth. Less than a tenth. I have a sister. Same thing. And that's no knock on them. They're great people. They're you know, they're wired differently. They want to do different things in life, they have different goals, maybe, but Again, drive this point home, which is that like Quantity is the path to quality, right? And that You have to be prolific. You have to be generative in the in the amount of things that you're trying. And you almost always when you think you have a quality problem, you have a quantity problem underneath the hood. And it's quantity of i iter iterations, right? You don't need to do ten things at once. That's not what I'm saying. But you need to commit to doing a lot of things and you only the beauty of it is just it's like dating or anything else in life. You only need one to work. You only need one and your whole life changes. Yeah. I I was making jokes. I was like dating like business, you only need to be right once. You couldn't it only has to has to work out one time and it's worth it. By the way, here's a blog post from him called Finding My Spark Again. And he basically shows his GitHub commits. For the year after he sold his business. So he sold his business and he tried to do other things and he just felt empty afterwards and he just got back into Making stuff, just committing code, writing code, building tools, building products. And he basically was like the spark returned because building was always the thing that gave me joy. And it just clicked. I had an idea, I started hacking, I realized my spark is back. And like To find meaning. It wasn't therapy. It wasn't ayahuasca. It wasn't going to another country. I had enough of my own bullshit. And I realised that you don't find happiness by moving countries. You don't find purpose, you create it. So you don't find purpose, you create it. I think is like a a pretty How cool is that that he was blogging and that blog post was from June of twenty five. So is that mean that Open Claw was six months old? Yeah, open claw is like brand new, dude. It's like three months. Sorry, I I know it's brand new, but uh like he'd only been working on it for six months. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's crazy right. Incredible. That's incredible. I don't know enough about uh uh technical stuff. Is he considered a great developer? Yeah, no, I think I I don't know if this is true. This is now like I'm just going off of random tweets I've seen. But I think the story is that He vibe coded open open claw and he didn't even read the code afterwards, which is why there's like a lot of like security concerns and like potential vulnerabilities. And he's even said, like, why did he join Open AI? He's like, When I had this thing take off. Dude. I mean, imagine the DMs. It's like the most popular AI project in the world. AI is the most popular industry in the world. And so, you know, his DMs are flooded with Acquisition offers, job offers, investment offers, like turn this into a company. You could be the next chat GPT, et cetera. And he basically was like, I don't want to build a huge company. That's not what makes me happy I want to build an AI agent that actually does the thing that I'm I'm trying to build here. Like that that's the my best shot of doing that is joining open AI. And so he went there and he's like, Yeah, I agree. There's a lot of problems with Open Claw. He's like, I'll leave it open source, you know, there's There's issues, it's it's hard to set up, there's security vulnerabilities. Yes, agreed. And what? I'm gonna go here and try to make a better version of that that will be ev without those problems. My co founder installed it and he was like testing it out. I haven't installed it because I'm nervous. And he, um we just got this he installed it just in our work slack. And he made like a marketing bot that would update uh the whole company on like um you know, how many people signed up the day before whatever. And this morning, uh, and he called it uh Stanley or something like that. Like Stanley the marketing bot. And Stanley would give updates. It would be like, Hey, I'm Stanley, I'm the marketing bot. I want to let you know that these many people signed up to Hampton. Yada yada yada. Today we get all we at our company, we all got a message that said, Hey, I'm Jerry. I fired Stanley because he made a bunch of mistakes. And I wanna let you know that the previous air was X, Y, and Z. The truth is this, and today, this is how many people signed up. And we were like that by itself? By itself. I get a notification. It said I I fired. You didn't give it feedback. It just decided. I didn't need to go. I got a notification in our team channel and it said I had to fire this person and the it changed its name. Okay, no, that's great. But did Joe say to the thing, you're making mistakes, make a better version of yourself. Did he tell it that or it just did it? He did not he said that he did not tell it to do that. That's scary. That's funny and it's very scary. That's crazy. So we had to uninstall it. He uninstalled it because we were like this is just getting to be too much. This is weird. But it bas yeah, it alerted us. Poor decisions lately. Sam is now tied up in an undisclosed location. I'll be making decisions from here on out. It's pretty incredible, isn't it? I was using um Claude Covert yesterday where I was saying analyze the the slot conversations between my partner Joe and I and tell us what we can do to have like to be the best leader or like analyze uh to to make us like have the best relationship possible. It was Amazing. That's hilarious. By the way, uh he said a great thing. So people took his like project list. And they started tweeting like Look at this. He failed forty he did forty or fifty different projects that didn't work before finding Open Claw. And then he like He's like All those things were basically like mini tools that OpenClaw used. Like that wasn't Random f like uh great. It makes for a good story, but that's not true. Here's the truth. And it's like If you weren't jacked. Handsome and rich already. Now you're honest too? God damn it. You know, like this guy this guy seems great. Today's podcast is brought to you by my friends at Mercury. Uh, they make the world's best banking product. I think you know this already. I use Mercury for all my businesses. I think I have like maybe seven or eight businesses. We use Mercury as our business banking across all of them. And now they actually just launched a personal banking account. So I have my personal account there. I moved off of Wells Fargo and Chase. I'm just all in on Mercury. Why uh I like products that are easy to use. I like products that get me and the problems that I have. So like very easy to make a joint account with my wife, very easy to spin up virtual cards. Uh, one click and I get savings yield. It just has all the stuff that I need in one place. So if you're looking for the best banking product on the market, it's definitely Mercury. I will fist fight anybody who disagrees with me on that. Go to Mercury.com slash personal and learn more. Mercury is a fintech, not an FDIC insured bank. Banking services are provided through Choice Financial Group and call them N A, members FDIC. There was another example of this like many projects thing. quantity thing that was on the pod uh it was a it was a while back. Uh Christina from Vanta came on the podcast. The episode is popular, but I feel like this one W there's really one takeaway from this this episode. She told me the the the story about the pottery experiments. It's kind of a semi famous example if you read a bunch of books, but most people don't read books. The story is there's a professor in a college in Florida. And a the actual story is I think it was about photography, but they kind of changed it to be about pottery for some reason. So he gives the he has a class and he wants to prove a point, which is that Uh, to be a great creative, again, it's about this commitment. And so he says, um Uh, you will be judged at the end of the semester on quality. I want you to make the best thing you can make. So All year you don't have to do anything? Turn in your best pot at the end of the semester, and I will grade you only on the best pot you make. That's first half of the class. Second half of class, he says. I will grade you only on the quantity of the number of pots you make. They could be bad, they could be good, don't care. As many as you turn in, your grade will be a function of quantity. The two groups go on. So at the end of the semester, what happens? Obviously the quantity group made way more pots. Um, as you would expect. The s the surprise, the spoiler, obviously, is that um they also made the better pop. So like the higher quality pot also came from the quantity group, who was not focused on quality at all. They're only focused on quantity. And he and they found out that the quantity group had a higher measured um satisf uh satisfaction rating. Correct. So went across the board. You made more stuff, you had more fun doing it, and you made the better stuff. Okay. So so you you sort of swept. Now, w why is that? Obviously if you do a l do things a lot, you get a lot of shots on goal, a lot of more attempts to make something great. If you do things a lot, your skill level goes up. So your ability to make something great goes up. Um and the last thing is you you remove your filter when you just try to do things that are you try to make a lot of things. You don't uh self inhibit. So you don't count yourself out, which uh you don't uh you're not afraid to create. Which usually pushes you towards doing safe projects. With this, they were willing to experiment more wide widely. And because they were able to go wide, they did things that were more original and novel. Okay. So that's the kind of the story from that. So she was saying, like, that changed my life. So today, Christina's the CEO. of this, I don't know, five billion dollar tech company, close to ten billion, maybe at some point, called Vanta. And so I asked her about her process getting there. And her story was like she was like an associate V C or something at Union Square Ventures. had never learned a code in her life. And decided to teach herself to code. She like would dress up like she's going to work, go to a co-working space, sit at the same desk every day, like treated it like a job. I was like, I'm gonna make shit. I'm gonna make a lot of shit. And so she shared this list of projects on her website. So these are like, you know, roughling she goes roughling chronological order. Most of these things never saw the daylight, which is probably for the best. And it's like I don't know, twenty five different little mini projects that she built. During this time. And so she was making a lot of pots. And then she so she tells a story about the Potter experiment, how this had this it changed her thinking. how she uh built all these different projects. And of course the last one Which really didn't even use code. It was just a spreadsheet in Excel. Which was let me help let me see if I can make a a useful spreadsheet in Excel for any company that wants to get their SOC two um, you know, security uh certificate. And so she And she just did it in Excel, did it manually and started helping companies manually and eventually turned that into software. And that eventually became Vanta, which now does hundreds of millions in annual revenue, which is like this pretty crazy success story. And she had this quote on the top of her website. of her personal sight that just it was from the the book Art and Fear. And it the quote was this. It says The function of the overwhelming majority of work. It's simply to teach you how to make the small fraction of your art That's sores. And like, and I think if you take that mentality, you'll have a very different result. Then if you take the mentality of I need to make something great and you try to make one thing and then you're sort of disappointed in your results and you sort of get to you go down a discouragement loop. Mm. And so this lady Um I listened to that. I didn't realise how impressive it she She might is she a billionaire now? She might be one of the youngest self made women billionaires. Yeah, I think I started the podcast with like And the Forb Forbes ranked her like, you know. Over Katie Perry and under Oprah or something. I didn't know too much about her. That's pretty cool. I didn't know what Vanta did also. I guess I and frankly I still don't entirely understand it 'cause I don't know what Sac two entirely means. I guess it means uh compliance for software. Yeah, it's like a word that you read about all the time in a book, but you never want to say it out loud. I've read Harry Potter thirty times and uh when I watched the movie, I was like Hermione? Yeah. What the hell? What the hell? It's been ten years of her moine. Yeah. She's impressive. When you meet her, you're like, uh oh, okay, I get it. You know, it sort of has that. What do you what is that word you say? Oh, the oven burns hotter. The oven burns hotter. I got it. Like you're just wired a little bit. better than us in the brain. It's all good. Um she also was the first investor in Replit. early on, which I think if I look at now this like projects uh thing she says interactive REPL to teach Python was one of her projects. Which might have been the reason that she invested in Replit first. And um I don't know. I'm I'm just guessing there that maybe it had something to do with it. And um You know, replit's now like a I don't know three, four, five billion dollar company. Damn dude, Christina's awesome. We should do a follow up because that was like two years old, I think, that podcast. Yeah, that'd be fun. All right, Sean, I have an announcement. I've been thinking a lot about this and I'm finally ready to announce it. I am resigning from business and I'm starting a new career. And I need A to play clipped in order to give some context. News. I just got called out in the Mel Robbins podcast. I'm officially a dating expert. Check it out. So one of my favorite people who I really admire is my friend Sarah's husband, Sam Parr. Whenever I talk to Sam about dating, he talks about what he did to make himself a more desirable partner. And he really had a strategy for it. So for example, he said, I think it's really attractive when people have passions. So I'm going to work on developing a hobby that will be interesting to talk about. And he got really into denim. And when he was meeting up with girls, he would say, I'm going to this denim swap this weekend. Let me tell you about Japanese denim. And they're kind of cool. Yeah, they would find it interesting. He he really stood out. He was memorable. World renowned pickup artists. Dead up It worked. It worked. Oh my gosh, I'm gonna be hosting dating seminars over the next couple of months. And if you guys want to sign up, please let me know. I just have to warn you, Sean, I knew because I know you're married. Do not walk up to a bunch of women and tell them that you're into uh denim, otherwise you're just gonna be booked full with dates. Right. You seem visibly excited. This is the most excited I've seen you in like six months. It's just so funny. I saw that and I was like There's no way like they're only telling the story because it worked, but if I told you that I walked up to a girl. A girl and asked her if she wanted to go to a denim SWAT meet. Like hey princess, wanna come see my bug collection? I like how you double down and you're wearing denim today too. Fast follow. I am what I am. And you've had Fitness influencer, business influencer, now dating influencer. Did I miss one? Professional skateboarder. Professional casual skateboarder. Yeah. White man who can jump. How funny is that? That was that made my day. I've just been walking around my office asking if anyone needs a mentor for dating. Dude, uh what's the story with Mel Robbins, by the way? Do you know who do you know her backstory? I actually don't have any idea who she is, but she has a ton of followers. What is it? She used to work for James Courier. their startup. She was like a marketer. And then became like this life coach extraordinaire type person. And I think I mean I don't know what bridged that transition. Obviously, lots of hard work and useful things for people. But I feel like she's a self-made woman. I feel like she decided like I now shall. do self help and did and then she like intentionally went into it and did it. You know what I mean? Like made a pivot into that career. Well, I remember that Rick Marini came on the podcast and he uh who is James's partner and he said, um You know, I was just like my wife was listening to a podcast and I was like that voice sounds familiar. And he was like Wait, I used to have a intern or a marketing manager uh named Mel, is that? Oh my God, that's the lady who worked for me, Mel Robbins. And he had no idea that she was into this stuff. And so I guess she kind of uh manifested it. She's a manifest cowboy. She's got her the five second rule. You know the the Mel Robbins five second rule? Like where you could eat stuff off the floor? You would think, right? World famous. It turns out this is the alternate. So her five second rule, this is her book. Um Which is basically if you are procrastinating or you have self-doubt. So let's just take an example. You're a guy, you see a cute girl at the cafe. There's that moment where you have to decide, am I gonna approach her and say something to her or or not? And her rule is basically you count backwards five, four, three, two, one. And then you just physically move towards doing it before your brain can stop you. So you sort of the body overrides the bond the the brain. You don't let yourself be an overthinker. That one principle is like her most famous principle or most useful thing that has spread, the idea that has spread the furthest. That's been great. I mean, that's a weird coincidence because since I've been a uh pick up artist expert for the last twenty four hours, I've been teaching this idea of the three second rule, which is if as long as you see the whenever you see a girl who's cute, you have to go up and talk to her within three seconds. So great minds take light print. You have to run. Doesn't matter the distance. You have three seconds to get it. Yeah. And the first slide is I was staring at you and I just wanted to let you know. And then you just say the first thing that comes to your mind. Right. Um this is by the way, this is a perfect coincidence that you're talking about manifesting into a self help guru because I have a crazy story to tell you. Before before you go there, can I tell you one more five second rule story? This is why this is just useful to the uh You know, if there happens to be a young single man that listens to this podcast, I know. Absurd. But if there was such a guy, uh this might be useful. My trainer is telling me the story. So my trainer is One of the best humans I know. He's also super funny, always in a good mood, gets along with everybody, super fit. He's like incredible. He's a catch. And he's almost single. He's single right now, and the crazy thing is he's so It's almost like You know when people like, I'm gonna work on myself for a little bit, and they like like Mel Robbins was saying that you did, right? You made yourself a more desirable partner. He just kept doing that, kept investing in himself, made himself the most desirable part of right, like such such a great guy. So I told him, I said, This year, I was like, I got this inkling. I'm gonna introduce you to somebody this year. I have this gut instinct that I'm gonna find the right person for you. I don't know why. I'm somehow gadots are gonna connect. And he's like he's like I'm here for it. And he goes, I have the crazy story. I was at the gym. A year ago. And I saw this girl and there was this five second rule moment where like I she w she made eye contact. I made eye contact, but we were kind of far away. She was in the middle of the set. I was in the middle of the set. I didn't walk over to her. And I kind of overthought it for a second. And I was he's like, dude, I never do that. But he's like, she was just she just seemed great. So I'm like, I just I missed it. He's like, but I told myself. If ever see that girl again, I'm going up to her. He goes, So yesterday I'm across the street and I see that same girl at this bus stop. He's like I ran across the streets I mean, I run over to her. He's like and I I just told her he goes he goes he goes hey he goes, Hey, hey, um he goes, I gotta tell you this crazy story. I saw you at the gym like a year ago. And at the time I was too nervous to come up to s and talk to you. I thought you were really cute, but I just I fumbled the ball and I I told myself, I said, If I ever see that girl again I'm definitely gonna come up and talk to her. And I just had to come up and say hi. And she she loved it. And then they went they went on this day and they went great. And I was like, This is the that isn't a great story 'cause I feel like every guy kind of has been in that position of the first part of the story. And you can turn the L into a big W. By using it, actually. Not like just being ashamed of it or or sort of kicking yourself about it, but actually use it as the line when you go up to the girl. 'Cause that you know, it's very flattering. So day one happened? So day one happened, went well, and yeah, we'll see what happens. But if there are any women out there that who are looking for The happiest man I know. The guy who has got the best mindset. It was just a absolute joy to be around. Him up. You'd slide into my DMs. If you're let's say A good, wholesome person who likes to have fun, good sense of humor. You're looking to have a family, uh, and you just haven't found the right guy yet. Maybe he's the guy for you. Slide into my DMs. I believe I'm connecting the dots this year. It's happening. Pretty interesting that you're y now you're going from uh business person, you're writing a book on creativity, to m pimp. Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome. Um all right. How do you feel? I feel great. I didn't comment on this, but wearing the Ralph Lauren Bear sweater. I own a few of 'em. I've never worn them because I thought you were gonna mock me. And frankly, I think it's great. I think a grown man should wear a uh teddy bear on their chest once in a while. I'll wear mine next time. All right. Well that's it. I think on that point that's it. That's the bot I feel like I can rule the world, I know I could be what So I'm So on the road, less travel, never looking back. 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