Proposed Social Media Ban for Minors

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You can see helicopters flying low in the darkness and then you can see actually with their guns going down the stairs boarding the ship of what happened this morning And Russia's shhadow fleet are essentially tankers that are still moving oil around the world trying to defy the sanctions in order to keep the Russian war economy that funds the war in Ukraine going. And The government said in January that they would look at doing this, but it's significant this morning. It's the first operation of its kind, and those images now will dominate the news probably at least for the rest of the day So off we go with Sunday's newscast. Newscast. Newscast from the BBC. Humanity's next great voyage begins. We are in the midst of a rupture. Nostalgia will not bring back the old order. six seven Yeah, It's supposed to be me as a doctor. Dry has also a special connotation. Bul. Thinking about it like a pano helped. Do we play music now, what do we do H Patt in the studio. It's La studio and' also Je Pike in the studi. Hello Joe It's very nice having you with us again at the weekend. Hi Laura. Hello. Hi Pat. So at seeven minutes past seven, the Prime Minister posted online and I will just read it because this is a big story In the early hours of this morning, I directed our armed forces to intercept a shadowfleet oil tanker attempting to pass through the English channel This successful operation delivers yet another blow to Russia and reminds those fueling Putin's war in Ukraine that we will not let them hide. I want to thank those involved, including our armed forces and law enforcement officers who keep this country safe in and of itself, is a significant story It's kind of really pertinent given that the Prime Minister has been in a giant row about not giving enough money to defence in the last few days. is a good example of some progress in particular as Laura They've been talking about this, We've been talking about this for many months. The legislation came through, I think in what March, giving armed forces the power to board vessels, but we've had this sort of weird awkward wait Al Khes, the formerf Forces Minister on your programme, seemed to be saying there were a couple of reasons for that Partly because in some cases there were other Russian vessels protecting tankers Secondly because there were concerns about making sure they had sort of the right legal justification, but also they needed to ensure the right cargo was on the ship prove it is part of a shadow fleet and with those sort of different boxes ticked, it meant that tonight was the night that those Marine commandos and all of these quite a long list of aircraft got involved and apprehended the Sirros previously the Muros. Right. Well it's now on its way to an anchorage in the southeast of England. It represents a more muscular approach by the UK government because other countries have boarded these tankers from the Russian oil fleet, the shhadow fleet, which is said to carry seventy five percent of sanctioned oil So we had BBC's Frank Gardner on radio four today and I asked him if he was braed for this, if he was anticipating this They've trained for this since January And it wasn't until March that the Prime Minister announced that this is something that was going to be done by by UK forces, it will infuriate The Kremlin President Putin, I think will be very angry about this. And I think the jeopardy here is that What happens when Russia starts escorting these? tankers with warships now it hasn't got enough to do all a thousand of its ships. But what happens you are they going to challenge Amed escorted Tanker It's really interesting, isn't it? Because you can tell from the tone of the Prime Minister's post online that a lot of people in the Rritish government will want to shout about this. They say, look, this is a way of taking the fight to the Russians. It's very visible. They've released the pictures. They didn't have to do that. They obviously want the public to be aware that this is going on. But as Frank was hinting there, this is a ratcheting up. you know what happens if There was to be another event like this. And actually there was a Russian military capability there guarding and perhaps they wanted to retaliate in some way. I'm not saying that's going to happen, but it's such an activity like this is a ratcheting up, isn't it? And certainly it seems to be very intense in terms of the capabilities that we use just for this single In terms of the list of stuff that the MOD have given us, they talked about aircraft from the Maritime Air Group Chinooks, Merlin MK four and Wildcats. There was also this P eight aircraft, which is a sort of big surveillance aircraft normally used chasing submarines rather than shut offleet ships. and then the HMS Sutherland a frigate, which is again, a submarine hunter, but also the HMS Leedbury, which is a mine hunter and that's of course In addition to those Marines you mentioned, guys, but also the spepecially trained officers from the National Crime Agency, if there are around five hundred that are sanctioned out of what we think is maybe seven hundred plus tootal ships in the shadow Fleet. I mean, There are a lot of opportunities, perhaps in the coming months to try and intercept them. that in itself will be very labor intensive. expensive too, may. Well, Frank said, this is an expensive operation. And therefore, it does lead in to the question of the wider arguments been had in the past few days, including resignations, the defense investment plan, and basically put, how much money have we got to do things including this? That's right. And Al Carnes, who was one of the ministers who quit this week was the Armed Forces minister Before he came into politics, he was a Marine. He was then in the special boat service. and he told us this morning, there might be more operations like this. And he also explained a little bit about the kind of thing that would have actually gone on Well we were sleeping safely last night, there will have been Marines and Navy and air Force personnel boarding helicopters flying low level over the sea, rearing up before the ship, fast rooping onto the ship. seecuring it. and then taking it into our territorial waters an amazing operation excellently prosecuted by our Ral Marines and others. And how is it the case though that this hasn't happened for such a long time? Because the government made quite a lot of noise about saying, lookook, we will do this. There are these ships moving through the channel, seemingly quite regularly aying to finance Putin's war in Ukraine. So why hasn't it happened until today? So first of all, we have a Russian we had a Russian frigget in the channel protecting some of those ships coming through. and secondly, it was about hitting the right parameters to make sure that everything from legal to the cargo met the requirements for boarding. We've actually helped lots of other nations do these boardings, America, France and others. and I think now that the first on has happened, we're probably going to see more should the opportunity to present themselves. It's interesting isn't it? Be that does then mean an uptick in how confrontational the UK is appearing to be against this shadow fleet, which has been such an important part of Russia being able to have the cash to pay for drones, to pay for bullets, to pay the wages of soldiers in Ukraine. And you, although there has been a very complicated and extensive sort of web of sanctions, the shhadow fleet has shown us repeatedly since the war began in twenty twenty two, that Russia hass been able to get round it. Yes, it's a way of evading the sanctions. This one was was flagged in the Cameroon is it? It was, and it has changed flag twice in the last eighteen months it's changed its name once. Using these shadowy tactics, it's got the name the Shadow Fleet. It's a reminder that Russia operates in the space between war and peace as well as when it's at war, it's also testing the boundaries of what war is and what peace is on our continent. If you haven't followed this really closely, essentially what Russia has been doing, ships that are essentially registered as being Russian are not allowed to move freely set with commercial goods What we've seen develop in the last few years is they change the sort of the home of these ships where they're registered put them under a different country's flag and get round it that way. And presumably part of the wider strategy from the UK and France and Germany and the States. a week after President Zelensky visited numberum ten is trying to damage the Russian economy as much as possible bolster the Ukrainian armed forces as much as possible in advance of any peace talks because everything we heard from the E three, the French presresident, the German Chancellor, the UK Pime Minister plus President Zelensy last this time last week was about pairing the ground for Ukraine being in the best possible position for any peace negotiations Now Lisa Mandy was speaking for the government on your sofa. She was. So I'm imagining I couldn't watch, of course I was otherwise engaged. but I imagined you said whereere's the money? Yes. so I asked her where the money was and she was down the line from sofa to actually technically I want to have a bit of BBCA accuracy. She wasn't technically on the sofa, even though metaphorically she was in one of our chairs this morning So the question for the government this weekend after John Hilly's sensational resignation, wereere they going to be able to find any more money or not And she I was actually quite surprised by how much she indicated that there would be more money coming just for context. John Healey was told on Friday night and then again on Thursday morning by Downing Street that the Prime Minister's decision was final. There would be no money Well, bang head he resigns This morning, Lisa Nandi was saying that since then, including discussions on Friday Cabinet ministers have been going back through their budgets at the Prime Minister's request, looking for more ash There's not a final decision on how much yet, but she was very clear that there is going to be some more money Beatles member, S Pul McCartney, YouTube meega star, Mr. Beast, and former Facebook executive Cheryl Sandberg all have in common. They're all being discussed in the new season of Good Bad Billionaire, the podcast which explores the lives and fortunes of the world's super rich. That's Good Bad Billionaire from the BBC World Service. Listen now, search for Good Bad Billionaire wherever you get your BBC podcasts for Defence. Al put it really well in his resignation letter We've got to transform the way that we do defense spending to make sure that what we're spending is fit for the threats that we face now and in the future, not just the threats that we faced in the past, we've got to significantly increase the amount that we're spending on defense. and we've already done that as a government. But since we published that strategic defense review last year and reached the levels of funding that they had recommended, the threat level has changed and we've got to change accordingly. And finally, we've also got to make sure that we're investing in our broader national resilience, the sort of things that Al referenced in the letter like economic security like strong communities, strong public services, young people who have hope that the future on offer is going to be worth working for and fighting for. And those things all have to be done at once. So although I really respect John, he is a fantastic colleague and I know he won't have taken this decision lightly The challenge still remains that we have got to meet this moment and do all three of those things It's interesting to hear a government to state. saying that quoting the resignation. I know, wasn't it Yeah, she said, I agree with Al or as Al has said actually on several occasions We are in quite a surreal place at the moment in politics. I mean, if we just wind out for a minute, Most people in Parliament in the Labour Party think that Kiir Sara is not going to be Prime Minister for very much longer. There is a by election on Thursday where the guy who wants to replace him is trying to win so that he can come back to number ten. It is possible that in the next five days, the Prime Minister's fate is going to be sealed So All of these conversations are frankly weird at this moment because it's just as pertinent in a question to say And I'm not predicting what's going to happen on Thursday. No, But it's just as pertinent to say, wouldould Andy Burnham find another ten billion quit for defense Allies of John Heilly, I have to say cross about this because Lisa Andy in that rather convoluted answer. and thenen did accept later that more money would be on the way. But allies of Hilee have told me that they're quite frustrated, they point out and I quote, moreore money is coming, but only as a result of Hley resigning. This is another unbelievable U turn. Is there a double speak at the moment by everyone involved in frontline politics for labour? You've got to signal that you could be friends with everybody. because Lisa Nn is a well known loyalist to Kiss Starmer. And yet at the same time, she's flashed the headlights that Al Carnes has just left the government. Yeah She represents Wigan. And as you know, because you've been there this week, the Mayfield constituency is sort of on the outskirts of Wigan She is, you know, she has historically been close to Andy Burnham. What you certainly have and she was demonstrating that today is a lot of at ministers thinking about their own self interest. Of course, politics and government is a team sport, but also individual ambition is of course, central to it. And there are ministers who are open this week about, Oh I'm off up to make a field course they're going to hand out some leaflets knock some doors, but I'm going to try and get a job or keep a job and there are definitely people thinking about their own positions in government now, especially as it seems possible there is a change of person in the top and maybe a change of the below them Not to interrupt just to ask you more about that. So Allies of John Healy on the war path again.. Yes. So as soon as we came off fair, I picked up my phone and at one minute's past ten, there's a message from an ally of John Healley being frustrated and cross. But hasn't he already done his thing? So Well, what more could he do? Who knows? He hasn't given an interview yet Itsust saying there's empty chair in the studio anytim youancy it, Mr. Hay. Could be a resignation It might be a resignation speech in the comments this week, right? You know, of course, John Halley is somebody who is seen as incredibly loyal, but he's also somebody who has been incredibly frustrated and cross about where government has got to. It's not necessarily the case that he has caused all the damage that he could I don't think he's the kind of character who's going to try and go around and take a wrecking ball to everything But also we shouldn't underestimate how big a deal it is for a defense secretary to resign. I mean, it is massive this. It hardly ever happens. And when it happens, it happens around scandals. Correct. It doesn't happen around principle. That's right. So you' got to go back to Michael Hesseltin in nineteen eighty six storming out over Westland for the last time that a defeense secretary resigned over a terrible difference of opinion rather than having to resign because something went wrong and it was a bit embarrassing U It's a really big deal. And you know, when the news moves so fast now you know, it's We should underline, I think, to newscasters How significant Healley quitting wars in terms of Starmer's authority, his credibility I think number ten will be, I don't want to sound cynical, but I think they'd be delighted to have been able to make this announcement about the shhadowflate being stormed this morning But that doesn't take away from the fact that Haly has put a pretty big hole in one of Starmer's last sort of protecting flanks to use all sorts of you know, terrible military metaphors in a slightly cringe worthy way And at this point, you know, Stammer is still determined to fight on I was told intriguingly last night and it's telling that people are ing that people are telling journalists this Allies of Starmer told me that he has prepared Company and a bank account in order to be ready to fight a leadership contest. Wow That might sound weird to newscaster, but that's what they have to do. They have to have a sort of an outfit where you can raise money, have money in order to spend it. So I couldn't find out companany's house last night. I was having a bit of a look. I it's probably not Kir Starmer for leadeer because that might be a bit of a giveaway. But he's still at this point. is wanting it to be known that he plans to fight a contest But you know, that little nugget nugget tells you actually where things are at. And as you say, Paddy, is a bit of a double speak. I'm not saying they're all lying. No, no,' saying that. But we're in this weird Weird weird weird world. It's read the code. Yeah. Let's go back to Makerfield. There are other candidates standing. a full list is on the website, including Robert Kenyan of Reform UK, But it's to do with the timing, isn't it? Everything that happens now is happening on the clock of the by election. So it's not just strange things happening, it's strange things happening at the time theyre happening That's right. And also, the prime Minister is about to go to G seven where who's going to be there? Donald Trump, Donald Trump has been regularly embarrassing Kirstammer over what? Oh, defense spending. So might there be a kind of mind melt moment where Trump is up braiding Kirirststammer in front of the cameras possibly Where Streetingings making a big speech on Tuesday, somebody else who wants the job. Could that be another kind of big moment possibly There's then the by election on Thursday You know, the next week could be Absolutely enormous. You know this might be the week where we go actually, as someone suggested to me on Friday Keeley's resignation was quote the last nail. So let's just turn to how newscastters are digesting all of this. And A Brook in Christchurch says, Hi NCT, a minor but really irritating government toned deafness read the constraints on defence spending, is today's announcement of four point five billion do over the next five years on cycling and walking in cities possibly small beer in the scheme of things, but surely of much lower priority than defence, thank you for your valuable work. this is about How to spend money which you don't really have and where the priorities are of any government or any new administration that might be formed. And what youre going to cut? I mean, Laura highlighted this on her show today, We're teting has spoken about these choices and this investment in cyling and walking. And Lisa Nandy hit back well, you know, where Streeting as health seecretary was encouraging public health interventions. that would take the stress off the NHS. What also was interesting in terms of what you do cut today is you pressed Al Karnes on what he would cut to pay for defence and he had this sort of snazzy line about we need to take we need less handouts and more hand ups, but didn't really have the detail. and ultimately the conservives, as is why you question James Cartidge, of defefense Secretary, didn't have a full list of things to cut that would allow allow more spending on things that the conservives think are important. And it's one of those questions of our age. You can't have it all. It's very tough. It's very tough And what's interesting though to me about some of this is that other countries are moving quite quickly ahead with looking at different ways of funding defence, precisely for that reason Even though the UK has been involved in some of those discussions, they've talked to the Canadians about it They've been talking to the polls about it. They haven't moved quickly enough in order to be able to say, yes, that's where going we're going to get the money from and other countries have. And you know, people in Labor have said to me, that's the thing that's really frustrating because Kir Starmer could take a big swing here and say, look, this is a huge moment. He says that. He could say, this is a moment of real danger. Yes, he says that. So he could therefore say, and so I am going to commit to this new way of doing defense. We're going to do it this way. We're going to do it the comm We' going to do it with as well. Yeah like ye, defense bonds that the Lb Dems want And there are people Sen people in neighbour who go is maddening becausecause if we were braver and quicker could have solved this problem. Also, others would say what you really need to do is have a good hard look at what going on in the MOD. Why are they spending money on twenty three helicopters? Why are they spending money on building submarines that don't essentially warfare has changed. so much there's a different way of finding lots of money, which is looking at things that the MOD is currently doing and saying We're not going to need them because the world hass completely changed, but none of it's easy, my goodness. Less than three days after John H Hey's resignation We're now in a situation where a cabinet minister hasmitted, oh, no, we are trying to look for more cash. The current settlement that Kistama said we couldn't go beyond know is now being reopened. And it seems to be an acceptance that what was completely correct on what Thursday morning is now unsustainable. I mean, you almost get the impression bizar, isn't it? Yeah It's like if they knew then what they know now Yes If you imagine how this labour government began You can imagine Kiss Starm everything he's learned in the two years, takeake it back And how he would have approached things on day one with a four hundred, whatever it is, the massive majority. million. Yeah. And he's now he's sort of getting to grips what muscular prrime mininisterial action looks like overnight by authorizing fast roping in the channel, bringing in cooperations with Royal Marines and the French were also involved. and dring a camera was there. I thought that was interesting. It wasn't body cam footage, It wasn't grainy footage It looked like a very high quality, high definition camera shows that this is a message, I suppose not just for voters in the UK, but for Well maybe for Donald Trump maybe more, Vladimir Putin and they want the message of what happened last night to get out. And the fact that what I don't know, three, four hours after that all sort of the video is out. Yeah. I mean that says something about the sort of media operation It does.th I was very grateful it was available for nine do fifty nineents, so we were able to show it just at the end of the programe. Right. Well, look, that's a lot of what's happened in the journalism so far today, but I wonder if we should now turn to looking ahead. Yeah. One of the big ways we all went to bed last night was knowing that there would be issues that would happen overnight. One was the Scotland game against Haiti. And the other was that we kept being told Teran and Washington that Iran and the United States, working with Pakistan would sign a memorandum of understanding which would bring peace to Iran and the Strait of Hormz would reopen again. And it is one minute past eleven on Sunday morning and we do not yet have news on that today. So shock horror, there have been conflicting messages from the White House and Tehran Donald Trump said as you hinted at Paddy on his online forum T Social, that the deal would be signed today and immediately the Strait of Hormers would be open to all But the Iranian foreign ministry had said We'll have to wait and see about the exact date and it will not be tomorrow So look we've got conflicting messages. We're having this conversation at eleven in the morning But just remember also why this matters so much. So Darren Jones, the chief Scretary to the Prime Minister, remember a few weeks ago, he said Even Pace agreed, it will be at least eight months before things return to normal and what we're talking about there are the oil price So therefore, the price of fertilizer, the price therefore, of food, the price of jet fuel price of all these other things on which we rely Even if this is signed today and it happens as Trump predicted The hangover from this conflict is still going to be with us for a long time. And we saw this week, didn't we with those economic figures that showed actually the economy going the wrong way. impact of that conflict closing the straits of Wose is starting to be felt In terms of the choreography, presumly Donald Trump wants to get this all sorted before he travels to Evier for mineral water and diplomacy at G seven. He does want those three days for him to look like he has achieved something. Yeah Well, it's more remarkable. He's the sort of person as well who likes to time things personally. So it's his eightieth birthday And he's having sort of all sorts of celebrations, including a cage fight. Of course. I mean, you wouldn't. I mean what way I think back to my many birthday You've never been in a cage? No, I've never been in a cave at time. But the thing is that to time A big announcement on his birthday is the way he rolls, isn't it? Although we should say this only started because of Donald Trump. He's not solving somebody else's conflict. It's his own conflict and the problems we're all facing in terms of our diesel and petrol prices Well, the supporters say we should have we should have tackled this before whoo wants Iran to have a nuclear bomb? That's how the argument. Of course. And one of his former national security advisers, Joh Bolton thinks he should have gone further and should go further now to ensure that Iran is in a far weaker position. However, we can't characterize him as solving some intractable peace an intractable sort of problem on the world stage is something that he did start himself. Yes, And if he hails a peace deal as a victory for himself, it is a deal to end a conflict that he and Benjin Netanyahu began. The reasons as you say, Paddo, there were people who would argue it was absolutely the right thing to do. but this conflict was instigated by them. And if it ends up that actually Iran has got a good deal over the Strait of Hormuz, there've been suggestions that they might be able to know set up some kind of giant floating toll booth metaphorically and actually charge people to use it That wasn't the case before. If both sides we will see, we will try and spin it and we'll have to look carefully at the deal if it emerges to be able to make a kind of assessment of actually who has quote, unquote, one if in or and who has quote, unquote lost. And let's remember day one when there was that pre recorded Trump statement, I think from Mara loveove, he was wearing a capat and he spoke about the start of this operation and he was talking about regime chain as being the big the big aim. He was talking about getting the Iranian people to rise up. This is your chance. You need to rise up in the streets. You know, none of what he asked for or wanted to happen a few months ago seems to have come to pass. indeed there's a more hard line. The younger generation of the regime who've replaced the ones who've been killed seem to be perhaps even more hardline. and let's not forget also the terrible repression. people who tried to protest against the regime who live in Iran, and that that regime killed thousands of their own people On the streets a few months ago. Okay, so it's my job to be the person who's whipping this along. I don't know why it's not really, I don't know why I'm assuming's your thing. No, no. But we wanted to just mark the news card for the possibility of a social media ban for under sixteen year olds. Yes whichich is coming? Yes, I mean, I would bet a fiver on it. We're expecting, I think actually the Prime Mister is going to pop up tomorrow morning to try to make maximum impact with this announcement What we expect and it's not completely confirmed, but we've got all sorts of indications and including Lisa Andy didn't really shy away from this at all on the telly this morning What I expect is that there will be a social media ban for under sixteenens on quite a few of the big platforms, so your TikTok, Snapchat However, some platforms I think will be exempt I'm I think there's also going to be a kind of curfew or time limit also for teenagers There's a huge debate though about whether or not this is really effective. if these are the right kinds of measures The evidence from the ban in Australia has been mixed. There's a lot of evidence of kids being able to get round it. What Lisa Andandy said to us this morning is what the band could institute is kind of cultural change. so you make it kind of, you know socially unacceptable, not a thing that young teenagers should be doing But there are really strong views on this and campaigners also are split on this. But there are quite a few people, including Ian Russell. 's been one of the leading campigners on this for years for all the wrong reasons because his daughter. took her own life having been bombarded with distressing material online Ian told us yesterday, he's really angry because he suspects that the Prime Minister is doing this for political reasons, which of course, Downy Street denies and that they're rushing towards a sort of blanket ban rather than something tougher, more sophisticated and more nuanced. So We'll see how this all evolves tomorrow And also with respect In Russell, who's been on Newscus with us Polls say that the public are in favour of these many very strongly. Many families listening, many parents listening, and you know older teenagers listening will be aware of the absolute tsunami of material that can go the way of under sixteen year olds. That's right. And I think you what ministers supporter of this was certainly what opposition parties what the Tories have been campaigning on this for a long time. what some other parents would say and what some different campaigners say and some of the teaching unions are on board for this, which is also an interesting angle Is that, you know, if you have a thirteen year old saying please please, please, please please I want to be snapchat because all my mates are on it. If as a parent, you're able to say no because it's illegal It's a very different conversation of saying no, because I think it's bad for you. know And that is the cultural change that supporters of a ban often point to. It's not necessarily that it will be perfect because okay Seventeen year olds sometimes are able to buy cider, but having a cultural expectation that it is not something that's appropriate for younger teenagers would be seen by many people as a very strong message, but I'm going to be very interested to see th the fine detail of this announcement tomorrow. And there are certainly ministers who concede mayaybe it won't work. and if you look at Australia, you know, the sort of results are makes, a lot of Young people have VPNs to get around the restrictions, but there are ministers not too far from this policy area sort of admit and con see that there is a real political advantage to be looking like you're acting, to be empathizing with the difficult situation that parents are in just doing something. now Downing Street of course deny this is really purely about that But the pressure has been building, and I suppose the characterization of people around Kyistama is actually that it's him meeting parents that has really sort of hardened his instincts ahead of whatever he It was against it. Yeah. I agree with this. you know, and time til relatively recently Downing Street were qu resistant to this U And that said, some of the ideas, including the idea of a curfew, have been knocking around ages and part of the problem here, but campaigners would tell you is that the law as it exists being enforced by OcOM campaigners would say is it's not really being enforced effectively at all and the tech platforms don't really listen Ofcom of course would dispute that But I think whatever the details of what we' announced tomorrow, actually it might be very bumpy. I think it wouldn't be surprising if the tech companies ended up taking government to court or trying to do a judicial review on this process. Australia was test case number one. we could be sort of the next petry dish because in countries across the capitals, across the world, everyone has been looking at Australia, lots of other governments are considering what they do And if this is instituted quite quickly, we could become the the next place that mininisters are flying across to do their research, but also maybe think, o, this didn't quite work in the UK. Maybe we will avoid the way that Kestama his team have done it see. We're on our way now with the question of the hour. Did watch the football? No, because I was trying to sleep. Yes I did watch I watched the clips when I woke up. And did you have a message from anyone famous on? John Swweenney became our match reporter. So the firstirst Minister of Scotland very kindly agreed to send us his own match reporort after the final whistle. And I have to say, I think he was more enthusiastic than I've ever seen him. Shall we have a listen What a night to be in Boston to see Scotland win go hated and get this World Cup campaign of to you Fingestar. The T Army are in great voice. They've been out in Boston a true thingit to our country and back home, Scotland will be aright with enthusiasm and joy