Psychology in Fashion and Styling

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Like when we're getting dressed, I'm like, girl change your diapers, but it feels like we've been around each other for that long. It's a beautiful, honest relationship. Recently, those AI photos of her wedding dress came out as her image architect. How do you react to that? That dress was disgusting. I'm like, did you guys think that's the best I could do Hello, and welcome to another episode of Obsessed the podcast I'm Kevin Fallen here to guide you through all the TV shows, movies, and pop culture nonsense that we think is unmissable And today's guest is Law Roach Law is not just a celebrity stylist, he is the celebrity stylist He's most famous for his work with Zendea. Arianna Grande and Selen Don, just to name a few. And now he's about to start a second season judging on Project Runway, which is one of my favorite rally shows. I have never missed an episode of it. and let me tell you He brings the shade like no one else. He is so good on this show. Law trademarked the term image architect, which is apt because if you look at his work with people like Zendea, he has completely revolutionize how we think about red carpets and press tours and celebrity fashion. He is so fun to talk to. We talk all about his relationship with Zendaya. We talk about why he's such a perfect fit on Project Runway. And we talk about fashion trends, of course. So here it is my interview with La Roach Hello, a love rooach. Hi. How are you? Well, thank you I feel like I should be addressing you as like your Highness or your Majesty, if like I'm in the presence of royalty right now. Re well, thank you. Yeah fashion royalty for sure. Thank you Yeah So we're here to talk about Project Runway, which is coming back. This is your third, second second season.cond twenty two seasons of Project Runway is my second So you're still a new one to to the Project Runway fold. I'm a baby. You're making a big impact right away. How do you like do you like judging? I know you've obviously I've watched you judge on legendary on drag race. now you're doing Project Runway. Yeah. Is this something you enjoy? I do. I think I enjoy television and I also I enjoy letting people who know me for one thing kind of see me do another. But I I've actually been on television for over a decade I started onn America's Ne Hop Motto, That's right. did the last two seasons in America's Ne Hop Moto U twenty four and twenty five I believe. and then I went on to do legendary and Julia Fox had a short lived reality short ideal with her. a competition show as well. and then Drag race and now proroject rununaway. Yeah. Ill still do drag race actually so Did you find that it suited you right away? Is it something that you like sort of knew that you would be good at? orr was it a process that sort of had to be unlocked within you to become a good job. I think There's a very cuy part of me. You don't say. I've never seen that. lo That loves to be freed every now and again. But yeah, I think I think when I started, you know, it was It just felt natural to me for some reason. And especially when you put me in a place where I talk about things that I know about, you know. Oh Pject Project Rway is about you know, design and a fashion industry and and so those are things that I you know, can consider myself an expert at. And you know, RuPaul, the same thing, Ruaul, you know, I speak a lot about the costumes and the wardrobe and even just pop culture And so I think that when it just all feels kind of easy and like second nature al Yeah was reading something that you were always good at? I mean, there are times, I mean, I imagine when you say some of these lines, you must think like, oh, I just ate that. Like that was a good line that I just gave. So something that was always like a part of your vocabulary. So let me tell you. so I when I first started doingin America's Nock T model, the first season, Reada Our was the host Hyer wasn't there And one day I get a phone call from Tyra and she says She's like, you speak in sound bites. And I was like I had no idea what a soundb was. I'm like, what is that? She said, Well, you know the last line that someone says before it goes to commercial,' like, that's a sound byite U And so I never knew that that I spoke that way. and Maybe it just kind of developed a little bit more throughout the years being able to thinkink that way, but it's just all really natural and authentic. and I'm just like, you know, you're born to be on TV apparently. I think so. I mean, when you say something that's one of those sound bittes, do you recognize it right away? Like I just said something No. I don't Really? It's just the way you naturally speak. Yeah, it's notat way speak. I think I speak like that in my daily life too, so Yeah, it's just natural. I love your perspective as a judge on Patrick Gneway because you are coming from place where You see if a garnment is going to work for a client You're coming from like a Not commercial space, but like stylists Yeah And I think that's a really unique perspective of ha I like.. Yeah. And I think it's needed because Because I think for the most part, when people design You know, they want to have w a viable business, but they also want to address their favor celebrity and You know, I've been able to address so many people's favorite celebrities. So I think giving them a little inside view on things that make that dream come come to you know fruition. Um it's a service to them. you know, and I think I enjoy that part of it Who on the panel do you agree with most often or disagree with most often. Bically, I totally agree with Nina because she's an editor and she's been doing this For so long at L Magazine. And she's also been a judge on Project Gay for so long. And I think that she is one of the chicest women in the world Um, and and she and she also comes from very similar point of view, right? I'm thinking as the, you know, as a stylist and she's thinking as an editor, like what would be good on the pages of her magazine? And I think what would be good on the body of my clients So so our perspective are very same Similar, I should say. Yeah. Yeah. What do you think is A mistake that a project when like contestant most often makes. like what do you think is like something they do that's just disappointing misfire for a competition like that. I think it's the tryrying to be different for the sake of being different you know, or trying to be like do something very unique when it's not called for because I come from a place I think a beautiful gown is just a beautiful gown, you know. Beautiful gown. Puertotha. Yeah. You know what I mean? I think sometimes you don't need all the bells and whistles and it's like I think it's just it's like food, right? the most delicious food and the hardest food to pose is the more simple things. You know, it's harder to do something that's beautiful and delicious with five ingredients as opposed to twenty five ingredients. And I think that fashion and clothing and design shares that a lot. doing something Basic well is almost the hardest thing you can do. Yes, Yes. Do you u when these workors are coming down the runway and you're seeing these these new designers who are looking for a career boost Do you think about like it me what it would mean for them if if someone like you permission to look from them and put it on one of your clients. Yeah, I think I think you what happens is you get millions and millions and millions of dollars of free advertising. Yeah. You know, depending on who the client is and the event and all those things. My my thing is, um I really want Um these these these kids, these designers to be to have a sustainable business can that can bear the weight of something like that. becausecause when you get all that attention And everybody's calling all these things calling, you need to be you need to be ready, you know to it's like when you give a great elevator pitch, you know, like somebody takes the pitch and where you go from that So I like to I like to give those opportunities to people, I think that can sustain it Yeah, I had a friend Tyer N Slowi who was on the show was on the show before you started. He was a guy who was he did that meme Not even to dinner with the cushioners.. But he can speak to the fact that it really is, like you said, it's an hlevator pitch to the world and it really boosted his business after he was on that show. It's really amazing thing that this show does for designers. And I think that's what I think I think back in the day in reality TV and escially things like that, people came because they really wanted to win the show I don't think people really come to these shows to win the show anymore. They come because they understand that' greatreat marketing and exposure for the brand or for that thing that they're selling whichich isn't a bad thing. I just think that We are dealing with a more educated competitor these d, you know Do you hear that Sounds like breakfast is ready Because Quakers' coming in hot with morning nutrition, one hundred percent whole grain oats, and a good source of fiber to fuel the rhythm of your morning and kickstart your day. And that sounds absolutely delicious. Fuel to start whatever's next. Quaker, official sponsor of FIFA World Cup twenty six wonder where Tropicana got its name? The Tropics. And every time you enjoy a glass, you're not just drinking juice. You're taking a trip. stepping into sunshine and embarking on a flavorful journey into the tropics where ripe fruit is crafted into wildly delicious juice. And the best part, no passport required Trawacanna, give life some juice And like you had mentioned before, Tya Banks is joining the panel this year, a reunion for you from working with Thornt's topop model. Y. What do you remember about meeting her and you're, you know, the start of a relationship with her U how incredibly beautiful she is for us like Tyra is one of the real true beauties. and I was I was looking at the first The first episode of the show yesterday actually in a car And I was like, that is a really pretty girl she is She is like she is stunningly gorgeous. Yeah. and she has always been And she's someone to who's I think in a great way and certainly as good TV, she' always been sort of a polarizing figure on television, especially now with those documentaries that came out about Tal Mel. But what do you think it is about her that is so striking that she is making such an impression of people that she Honders so many opinions and again, is great television that way. Right. I think I think Outside of her personality, she's a producer and she understands the cadence of Reity TV. You know what I mean? And she she understands things that that track, I think. She I mean, we have to think that she was a producer on that show. she created that show top model. That show lived for many, many, many years. So just think the level of experience that she has as being a producer, you know Yeah. So she's able to produce herself. And what do you think that she's brought to the judging panel for Project Runway U I think she she's just brought I mean, it's just a different perspective, right? And it's a certain nuance that she brings. Yeah When you were When you were considering joining the panel, what were you thinking about in terms of what you could bring that would be different that the show needed, that only sort of your voice would be able to bring? what were you thinking about? What did you think? I mean, I was saying before, Right, you know the history of what I do on these shows And I think that's what they need. I think I think they needed a little spice Yeah, you know. For lack of a better term and you bring the seasoning u One of the things that I think you've done really well to sort of chance how people think about this industry is really bringing to the forefront this term image architect. Yes. Why is Why has it been important to you to have that description and have an awareness of that be something that more people now know about Well Um, When I first started my career, it was, you know, in the time the rise of you know Instagram and everything, everybody was so multile hyphened it, right Oh stylists, you know, makeup artists. there was all these things, choreographer and all these things and You know, and it was so many people that were self proclaimed stylist and I wanted to do something that would kind of like set me apart from everyone else, but also When when I really thought about the work that I was doing You know, it was never a thing that I wanted to prettyty girls in pretty dresses, right? I wanted to be part of the building of their images, right? And so When I thought about that and thought about what I was doing, you know, in my self reflection, it was You know, I'm not just choosing a dress, likem I'm really the ground level of building someone's image. right and everything that means. So when I did the comparison, it really felt like what an architect does for a building or a structure. you know, you start out You start out at the foundation, right? You start out at the dirt And then you build a blueprint of what these things are going to be and you hire all these like contractors, you know for You know, you hire a contractor and they contract in, you know, windows and floors and electricity and all that. And for me, it was the right hair and makeup people and the right dress. And so When I did that comparison, I'm like, Ohh, I am an architect, but I'm just doing it for someone's image and not a structure or building. Right. So the similarities were really, really interesting. and and Once I figured all that out, I trademarked that term. So I'm the only imager architect in the world. Yeah know that term has been trademarked for over a decade. Wow. Yeah. That was want to do that.. I mean, I remember, for example, when that day I was dressing and theme to her movies with Challengers and Dune and all that and justust how innovative that seemed. Yeah. How do you like when something when an opportunity like that presents itself, how do you come up with the idea like, oh we're going to actually do this theme to an entire film for a press tour. Well, I think we've been doing it for a long time U So I think we probably started Greatest showowman, right? And she She what is Armani looked that very that looked so much like a ring master's costume. and You know, we kept doing it and what we found out, the more we did it, the more entertaining people thought it was And it didn't have a name. And I think when the Barbie movie came around, people for somebody coin method dressing. R Right, but, you know They definitely didn't start it. We didn't start it. but I think that we've been able to Um really, um maybe solidify it and solidify ourselves in that world. And it's just fun. Yeah. it is just so fun do the research and find these find these dresses and U it's a storytele. And I think that's what people really enjoy about my work and also our work together Yeah, and You saying people enjoy it, that's actually true. It's made it more fun for me to get involved in press stours and red carpets and fashion journeys, things that maybe necessarily I wasn't aware of before but because of something like this, I get really into it and it's really, really fun. I think my favorite one was challenges though because because Tashi Duncan didn't exist. So we were able to create a whole world around her and it was really interesting to see From that press tour how tennis court like moved to the forefront of culture. And I don't think anybody had ever saw that being done that way based on a press tour. Yeah. think I went into maybe Walmart and Target and like soon as you walked in it was like tennis court. You know, And we created a digital magazine call challengers and she was the first cover star. so we really took this character that no one knew and and made her feel like a real person through the clothes. That was quite interesting as opposed to like, you know, her and Spiderman and you know, being MJ and all that. Th these people have been around, you know, and Barbie's been around and You know, we watched Barbie for sixty years and we know all those outfits, but to take to take this character that is you know, who's not real and so kind of like ject inject her into pop culture. And I thought that was really interesting and really I showed the power of what method dressing could do. Yeah. And she looks so hot and all of that. so much. You want to get your backyard summer ready, but you don't want to break the bank? Wayfair gets it. planning on dining alfresco or relaxing poolside Wayfair has everything you need to prep your space. Shop now and save up to seventy percent off during Wayfare's Fourth of July clearance. sccore huge deals on outdoor furniture, area rugs, and more. We're talking thousands of products for every style and budget. Plus, surprise Flash Deals July sixth. Don't wait. Shop Wayfare's Fourth of July clearance now through july sixth at wayfare dot com d Way fair, every style, every home. Do you remember when you were relationship with Zenda pivoted from a professional one to something that clearly You seem much closer than just your friends right now. Well, I think we've We've been together more than half her life. you know, it's like We've literally grown grown up together and we've been through a lot of A lot of things together, you know, great things and some traumatic things for me and U and just watch her grow into a woman and then this actress and And I think her watching me grow up and then grow into like this thing that I've become and us doing it together and really being by each other's side every day since You know, twenty eleven basically So it's likeeen years. Yeah. She turns thirty this year. so it's like, you know, been I've been around her half her life. I always feel like it's so funny. We laugh sometimes Like we're getting dress. I'm like,ir' change your diapers, but it feels like It feels like we've been we've been around each other for that long. Yeah you know, it's a beautiful Really, really beautiful, honest relationship. Yeah. ye. One of my favorite things about her is that she seems to have a really great humility and sense of humor about herself. L I remember when recently those AI photos of her wedding dress came out And she's told just a really nice story about how even her family was fooled by them and all that whichich I appreciate about her, but I'm curious for you as her image architect. When something like that happens, these AI photos How do you react to that? I react to that dress was disgusting. I'm like, did you guys think that's the best I could do? You know, dress So basic and horrible, but, you know, Yeah. ye. Well well so clearly you also have a good sense of humor about things. Oh yeah, absolutely. ye. I think we have a good sense of humor about everything because it's You know, at the end of day, it's, u It's just entertainment. And it is entertainment and that's thing that I think has really Um expanded and sort of spiked in recent years where These red carpets and these looks and the fashion are almost becoming as important as a part of publicy as interviews and it is and features for Yeah, it is. You know, I'm I'm advocating that, you know, that some of this becomes part of the marketing budget for the film because it's like it's It's metrics to support that U that this These type of things are putting butts in the seats. And it's like And if we are working hard and we're doing it and we creating these micro campaigns for these movies, I think I think that we should be compensated for that. And when I say we, I mean me. mostost importantly put that out the contrast.. But also like you said, it's doing a great service to the arts too, because the attention that you know one of these Zenda methodressic proressers gets For the film is getting buts in those seats. It's saving cinemas, it's gettingiv people look to art again. That's true Thats true E is andnis it's not like it's a You know, it's like it's theoretical. It's not theoretical. They're numbers. to justify that and to to, you know Prove that Yeahah. What do you think is the future of that then? like right now we're on a trend where There is more awareness of the significance of these pst tours and the fashion in them. Where do you think we go from where we are at at this moment I mean, I think it goes back to just kind of like what I said, I think It should be It should be rewarded It should be it literally should be rewarded and You know, I take the drama press tour, you know, this is a small independent film and you know, we came up with this with this whole idea of, you know The something old, something new, something borr, something blue and that you can see how that how that campaign on social media really drove people to have interest in a movie because nobody actually knew what the movie was about. Right. You know what I mean? And it's like But following it did have a big surus. But following that, you know, I think it's And you know, and you can see and I just like to call it these micro campaigns. you can really see that it's working. And it's almost in the same realm as what like influencers do, right? It's just We are influencing through fashion to have people be more interested in these products. Yeah. I mean these projects, I should say And you know I think it should be taken a little bit more seriously There's a person I ask you about because she's my absolute favorite and I'm dying to know what your relationship with her is like. Yes. Miss Celine Dion. Yes. Madame Celine Dion. I am obsessed with her. Yes. What is your relationship been like with her and how is that evolved over the years. So So I love her. Let's say that. I adore her. Celine changed changed my life U, I mean, she's done so much. I think Sili actually made me so much of a better stylist When I first started working hard, I I was working was end day, I was working Ariana You know, we are talking about working with two girls H veryery new to the industry, right? and to go and work with someone who was thirty year t at that time You know, it's a different process. Like I really walked into a machine working with Selinee and She made me I'll give you a great story. It's a great story. G. So our very you say G. Our very first fitting, we were trying on a gown and You know, she put the gown on, we go to the mirror and in seconds, she was able to see everything that was wrong with it She would say Oh, you know, I think the sleeve the sleeve is a little too long. The handm is a little too long. I would love this take a little a terrible Seline impersonation, but just just go with me She and the wayays and the wayays the wayays to see it. And I think, you know, and all these things and I'm and I'm watching her do this And And then she start to me, she said, what do you think You know and I was kind of stuck because I'm watching her see all the imperfections and I didn't see anything that she didn't see. And so the next time The next time that we had a fit in It challenged me to see the things before she saw them. So the next time we had the fit in and we go to the mirror, we stand in the mirror I say, oh, no, no, right away, my dad, I say, oh no We need to take a little bit it out of the neck and it needs to a little bit of the wist and I think the hem is too short. We need to drop the hem him maybe like a quarter of an inch and it was and then she looked at me and she said ree So it challenged me to be better because Had I not been able to do that, what value was I adding you know And so that those skill sets is what I took back to my clients and what I've used for my clients right away because right now you put me in a f with anyone, like soon as the dress is on I can tell you right away how to fix it and how to make it better. But that was my training from Celine. You know, And another thing that I always say she said to me I never forget I was we were rushing out and I was trying to buckle her shoe And I was, you know, fumbling with the button bu and she said she said, takeake your time, it goes faster you know These things from this ultimate diva And also kindness, you know, I would go places with Celinee and she would Stop and say hello to every single person introduce herself. Kindness is what I learned from her. U I love to hear that about her. Oh my gosh, she's so kind and she'll introduce herself at the beginning of whatever we're doing. and at the end, she'll say goodbye and thank you to everyone And it means so much for people to be seen from someone like that. Yeah And so I learned that and And we still have a great relationship We did a performance in Saudi maybe a couple of years ago You know, I did her for the cover of French Vogue. She had never been on cover of any Vogue before and I thought that was insane And so we did a shoot for French folk and this is right after she was becoming better from the illness So yeah harrowing. Yeah. I mean, the documentary of her Dealing with that was both my gos. I can tell how important she is you becausecause mean for I mean, obviously she's the person who brought you out of your retirement for that For the Gry four Grny look that amazing like Valentino overcode over the Chicondress. Yeah. Yeah. she asked for me to do that. I thought that was really flattering like You know what? If I ever work with her again or not, like contribution she made to my career in my life and just me as a person. Um I will forever be You know, grateful to her for that. One of I think, at least for me the most fascinating things about you is you studied psychology. Yes in college. Yes curious how you feel like that. sort of made you a unique presence in the fashion industry and in the field that you work in. how did that do you think develop something in you that is so different and special? Well, I think I think what People don't understand like eighty percent of my job is psychology, right? It's understanding Women Right and and everything that it means to be a woman and to be able to listen and notot only to the to the words, but also to recognize nonver non verbal cues, right? You know and patience, you know, and grace, you know, because Um, I think there's a lot that women have to go through life just being women and then when you put incredible success on top of that, you know, and to be able to be gr graceful U and also it's It's also about the psychology of who else is in the room. You know, it's The gatekeepers and, you know And all the things that you also have to be mindful of. and Um, you know And also the way I approach putting a look together, that's psychology. you know There's a theory in psychology called the Gal theory, meaning the whole is greater than the sum of the parts, right? And so for me, it's like the look belongs to me and you know, it's not we can't be separated. It can't be like a hair look and a makeup look and then a dress. L they have to all work together. And so those are the things I learned in psychology and be able to lead a team in a way, you know, so So I think that training helps me a lot without even without me even knowing it. And I think also watching you on TV I think that makes you more present than I think a lot of people who are, you know, TV personalities are. Like I think, for example, it's the clip that always comes on my social media feed of you and Kiki during Legendary. Yes. She's you, giving you a bit of a And you listen to her and you're like, you would just atate that. Right. And there's a version of someone in your position that would shut down or yell back or not listen But like in that moment, you were able to recognize what she was saying. I was the therapist And I was letting her get all her thoughts and emotions and feel this out. And you know, and the thing about it is that you have to be open to hear somebody else's perspective. You know what I mean? And so I was like, okay, you ate that So there's one last thing I want to ask you about and it's because it's one of my current peeteves with men's fashion Um, People are dressing like I did when I was in seventh grade withith those baggy jeans, oversized shirts just I don't understand Why when you are a movie star with that kind of body, you are swimming in clothes that make you look like the Michelin man. or like again, what I wore for my eighth grade yearbard photo What is going onong with that You know what? I I don't really have Well, I really like when people dress their age first of all. so U I can agree to you some in some sort to that, but also I think I think also it sometimes it's just comforting and a security thing. you know, sometimes when I'm not feeling quite as confident about my body or whatever. I like to you know, pile big things on and co. And it can also be chic My thing, I have a bigger gripe though. Okay. I think in some ways the clothes are getting smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller You know what I mean? And because I think the models Oh yeah. the male models are getting smaller and smaller and smaller.ic know it's just like, it's just like it's this this this obsession with this boyish type of beauty that I think is a a little weird to me when you're selling clothes to men, you know, whatever Well Clearly, I am not a fashionable person, or at least not a fashion forward person, but what I appreciate by what you do Is that through your work and your clients, you create some accessibility for someone like me where I can be reallyally interested and entertained by fashion. I want to bring you in Let's do it. Have you styled me for the next episode? You know, yeah. Well, thank you so much for doing this. having me. Youing season in your second season of Project Runway. I know, I hope you watch it. I have not missed an episode of that show in twenty two seasons. Really? me. Of course. Yeah. I'm obsessed with that show. Really. So what did you think about when I was joining the cast? I was so excited, like I was saying before No one does a read like you do the humor It's humorous, but it's also so insightful, and and it's what they need to hear. And you present it in a way that makes me laugh at home, but I think also that the contestants benefit from. Beacauseuse let me tell you this, I have never ran into a contestant on any show I've ever been on And them not. run into me to hug and kiss me and to say they understood and they grew from what I told You know, if people have to understand it, it's television, it's entertainment, you know, it's It has to have some Level of that was just boring But I think they understand that is that what I say to them You know, the delivery may be one thing, but the advice It's coming from a place of love. I only want them to be better. And literally, not one single time from any sh I've ever been on it have come to me in. And that's really important because there's a version of judge in your place that could be considered a villain on a show like this. And that's not what's happening with you at all. But I take that I take I'm a villain in the show. I think every show needs a Son cow. I think that that structure that was built built so long ago to Paula, you know, who's the nice and Randy and then Simon who's always the tele it like it is. I think it's a formul, and I think it works in television. I think that people do cast me to play that position, but mine is also grounded in life experience and skill and work You know, in a real world So yeah. You bring the expertise? Thank you. Yeah. So tell the people when they can watch the new season premiere The new season of Project Runway premieres july ninth on Freeform Hulu and Disney plus. Awesome. So stream that, y'all Yeah All right, thank you, La. All right, Thankk you so much. Thank you for having me. Of course Thank you so much, Law. You're so much fun to talk to. You can watch Project Funway on july ninth on Free form and the next dayay on Disney pllus and Hulu. What was your favorite part of the interview? Did you enjoy hearing all about Zendaya and Seline Dion I I did? Let us know, we'd love to hear from you. And as always, subscribe to us on YouTube at the Obsess channel. Follow us wherever you get your podcast. and if you like me, subscribe to my sububstack at obsessed d. sububstack. com Thank you to our producer, Rachel Passer. And we'll see you next time