Theological Implications of Alien Phenomena

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But for now, enjoy the second episode of the Isaac and Jolt, if you're watching the video, you can see I got the I got the official shirt. you get the official shirt through Joel's link tree which I'll link in the bio and the des I'm sorry, the the description of the show notes But anyway, here's our second episode of the Quarter Qell With my man Joel Thomas from Freeder Rabbits. Let's go in a world veiled in symbols. whereere truth is buried beneath ritual, power. Two voices emerge from the noise From the hidden layers of pop culture to the ancient echoes of the occult They follow the threads others refuse to see Not as masters The seeeekers Two men, one mission, to uncover what lies beneath the surface of reality This is not just a podcast This is the quarter quell Isaac Wiscot and Joel Thomas, The games begin All right everybody, we're back. The special podcast the quQarterQell I'm joined with Joel Thomas from Free the Rabbits I'm Isai Weisop from a customalism in pop culture And this time, we've got a topic talking about this, we were prepping for it And this was this whole show was bursted from a strange statement made by Bob Bazar that the aliens view humans as containers and that's what started this whole topic and we're going to go through a lot of interesting concepts today. I'm going to start out with my first topic, which is going to connect the idea of Tismans to pop culture and the occult. and wrap it up with some Epstein tie ins of birthing a magical child. and then U Joel's going to go next and we're going to go back and forth, right? And I've got some topics that we're going to talk about, you know, Jack Parsons and a lot of ancient U of Glden age of Uopology, if you will, Michael Aino A little bit on this Jie Vance, Erica Kirk and Joe's going to hit us with some deep esoteric knowledge about Gleums and The homunculus and oul fragments and he's going to get us into this bobble is our topic. So we've got a lot to get through today So I'm going to start out and we're going to kind of trade topics and we're all going to have a great time today. all right? So let's start out with this this idea of The human being as a container for the soula This is something Bob Lazar said a while ago and Joel's going to talk about this towards the end But for me, I think what exactly are we talking about here? And to me It sounds to me as if The human body is meant to store the essence of you know, our spirit, our soul, what have you. And in the realms of the occult They're always messing with energy and doing magic rituals to try to manipulate the spiritual realm and play with the energies, right? So It will utilize Tismans or crystals or astrology or Tarot whatever, right? magic rituals in order to manifest They' realities, right And Joel knows all this stuff. So this is more for the audience. I think this section here And when we talk about because I'm always like I like to tie stuff into pop culture. and Back in the Man, I think it was the eighties. There was a show Dge, you remember that TV show Friday the thirteenth? Did you watch that I've been before your time. if I did or not. I know what show it is, but I don't know if I watched it. You said it was back in the eighties Yeah, I think so, man. It was it was and it wasn't it wasn't Jason V, he's with the hockey mask. It was this this shop that had just a bunch of Cult charged objects in it, right Right. Yeah, I definitely didn't then because I was alive during that time, but I could tell you my strict upbringing would not be letting me watch that. Well it was it was my first sort of foray into this idea. and and this shows up in various films, right? Like Child's play had the Chucky doll And what do they do? they they put a soul through a ritual into the body of this doll We have more modern day films like Hreditary, which has actual demonic spirits from the Lester Keeve Solomon Paymon finding bodies to inhabit. also I heard a rumor there's a prequel coming out of Hreditary soon Then there's the Eorcist, right? Exorcist Regan possessed by Pazuzu Even little Harry Potter has the Horcut Horcruxes. Almost got a horcruxes. differentiff topic Horcuxes containing the soul of a wizard, but the most important pop culture reference to this concept is of course, twwin peeaks, right U Joel, I don't know You gott to remind me. D didid you make it through any of twwin Paks? How much of twin peaks have you consumed at this point? I haven't. zero a few episodes. A few episodes. Okay. all right. We'll get you we'll get you eventually here more about time right now for me like I have looked and stared at it so many times and I'm like's such a commitment because I know what's going to happen. Like I'm going to want It's going to get you real good. Yeah, I feel you, man. It's got to be the timing' got to be right. It's just too much to get through and yeah, I get it. So anyways, in twwin Peaks and no plot spoilers here There's concepts of You know, there's like a ring and there's a red room and there's this whole concept of Spiritual harvesting, right and In a way, this connects into modern day theories about what is happening in our world when it comes to the Dark Enlightenment And you know, we we can zoom, you know, we could zoom all the way out to hey, this has been going on since the fifties with MK Ultra. the CIA has been studying this stuff simultaneously with psychedelics and the paranormal with Project Stargate and you know, John C. Lillily's deprivation tank. where he was channeling echo, this cosmic consciousness. and it just goes on and on and on, right curring theme to stick to the main point of the you know spiritual container thing. The elites predatory elites, they look at us as a biological computer, right? And that's what John C. Lily's all about this concept And that's where the Silicon Valley psychopaths get this idea that they can sururveil us harvest our data manipulate us, predict our movements and so on because they want to Ultimately program and control are free will in our spirit and they want to transfer consciousness or make us believe that they can transfer consciousness, I would argue. And this is This all goes back through U Kubrick's two thousand one sppace Odyssey which shows us the entire sequence of exactly how this is all going to play out. I mean, Kubrick showed us showed this to us sixty years ago when the alien intelligence through the monolith came to earth and taught the apes Violence, right? the path of Cain, right? Taught them violence in order to divide mankind And then furthermore comes back down and evolves the astronauts in humanity out by the wormhole of Saturn to become the moon child. and this is like the ultimate sort of science fiction becoming reality to these U Th people that are into this stuff And when you look at MK ultra You know, the intelligence agencies are always connected to everything, right? You have roly connected to MI five Doing Moon child rituals He wrote a whole novel about this U Around the same time as the Amalantra workings where Lam is introduced as the alien intelligence, right? And this is the U, the moon child that would spawn off a whole cult of Lamb and I think it's like I think it was Michael Ford and some other magicians got into this whole cult of lamb thinking that there was a whole race of aliens Lamb wasn't just one being, it was a whole race and You know, they try to Continue l contact link. that I just recently ran across when you're talking about Lamb So Kenneth Grant has a book called Outside the Circles of Time. and in that book He specifically talks about Liam like a whole bunch And One of the things that he suggested that I hadn't heard outside of him, I think He suggested that Iah was And Lam were the same. He said that was just an entity wearing different masks and that roly thought that he was meeting all these different entities, but the same entity was just showing up as different forms which is super interesting because if you listen to Crowley talk about what he thought that Iowas was when he saw Iowas, he said he was dark skinned. He like Persion And but he was very ethheric. And like smoke like And he that was when he saw him in his visions. But then he saw Lamb and Lamb's obviously vastly different, more like your typical gray or at least the precursor to that. But Keneth Grant, when he came along and you know this When he came along, he was looking at all of the rituals of the Lima and he was connecting it more to the modern ephology movement and extraterrestrials because he started speaking of them like extraterrestrials. So he believed that I wasas and he didn't say it was a definitive thing, but he suggested from what he had researched and obviously he was connected to Crowley personally that it was the same entity. And it made me think because Cowley had so many different connections to these entities. that it' possible that they could have been the same one or it could have been, you know, a small group of them kind of playing a game there which obviously, they're giving him this knowledge to Do what? implement entities or souls into bodies, which getting into today. Right, which is which is and you know, it's funny, Dole, The more I research this stuff, the more it clicks in and makes sense that Crowley was and and I've talked about this. I've mentioned it And you know, my book's going back to twenty seventeen that Crowley And the Lima was this religion meant to instill this It was supposed to be an alien religion the whole time, but I didn't really fully understand the agenda behind this until reccently, right? And I'm starting to see how the pieces fit together that Troy's whole Aeon of Horus, right was supposed to be this B shift in consciousness and this awakening and gets people away from the church and And I've always I don't think I've ever taken that too serious. I've always taken that to mean You know, Crowley's just the bad guy and he wants to do bad boy things and get people to do bad things and Maybe even do a little devil worship, who knows But I think that it seems clear to me in hindsight after researching all this, after all the things that he said and we're going to talk about oneight when When we get back to my second section, I'll talk about Jack Parsons and There's even a b bit on Kenneth Grant, exactly what you're saying. In fact, I had read through the first half of outside the circles of time Brand. in one of my Twin Peaks episodes because That is where the concept of the atomic bomb opening up the portals and the gateways came from. This from Kenneth Grant's work U But we'll come back to that when we get to that, but yeah, good good Good Chime in there, man. That's always interesting stuff. but when it comes to Kenneth Grant, I think That's the guy who seemed to be really propelling all of the idea is an agenda of Crowley and Parsons. And this whole this whole alien UFO phenomenon is You know part of the occult It seems And when you look at the occall, there's all these other various practices, right? L Kabala. v they view the human body as a a receptacle or a vessel meant to reflect the divine light of Ain soft, right? And that's why in Kabala there's this practice of trying to Cify the vessel so that you can more I don't know. prepared to reflect the light of their God, right of the divine. And similar ideas shows up in gnostissism where They look at us and our human bodies as the meat suits that hold the divine spark of the real Godd, right? the notot the false God of Christianity or whatever. And then in Aztec culture, they also thought the body was a a vehicle to store energy That's why they were doing the blood sacrifices and such whichich takes us into Epstein and that explains why It's been talked about more recently that Evstein was accumulating various religious artifacts I don't think people understand why, and I think it's because he's a practitioner and The occultist again Their whole thing is studying and manipulating energy. and that's why Epstein was collecting these various artifacts like the Kishwa that covers the cabal in Uh Mecca. Right? Like during the people don't know, right? During the Hodj the Muslims will do a u What do you call like a pilgrimage to Mecca and they will go around in a circle around the black cube, the Kaba and There's a there's a kishwa, which is like a giant cloth that covers the Kaba at times. I don't know all the details, but That shows up in the Epstein files, apparently. and Epstein had one of these kishwas a lot of people thought, well, that's weird because that's not really his religion, you know what I mean Um, But the Kabab of course ties you to a whole host of other conspiracies we're not going to get into today But it's interesting because the Kabah is supposed to be this sort of interstellar And paranormal artacts of sorts because It's believed that it has the meteorite black stone on it that goes all the way back to Adam and Eve And that's what they when Muslims do the Haj, they put their hand on the stone, right and Kishwa was basically part of a ceremony. And it's considered one of the most sacred objects in all of Islam. and Regardless, it brings up questions, right? Like why would Epstein be interested in this? and it's because He understands the power of energy harvesting and religion as a tool for that, which is why You know, another artifact he bought was a what what's called a deathbell from a church in New Mexico that he kept at his New Mexico Zoro ranch, which you know, I've been ran on and on about Zora Ranch being this very occulted place which takes me to my last point And' I hand it over to Joel here I've got a book that was in Epstein's bookshelf called Secrets of Western Tantra And it's, you know, as you can expect, about Tantric sex magic And when you read through it, it's more about a Western approach to Tantra, which is different than the easastern approach because From what I understand, the difference is that it allows The practitioner to achieve orgasm and work with the energy post Release. Whereas the easastern Tantra, you're supposed to sort of Um not ever have orgasm and it sort of circulates the chi and the energy in the body which was staying was Allegedly doing, you know Not the wrestler sting the police, you know, the band that sting. But we I mean, Joel, were talking wrestling a minute ago. So But Epstein's whole operation would fit you know, nicely with these Th these ideas of moon child ops because he's got he's always messing with kids and There's all these essay allegations and transanshumane experiments. he's in the cutting edge of science with the quantum physics and all these nerds from MIT and Harvard and brings a lot of questions together. Well, in the book, the seecrets of Western Tantrav, The author suggests in one of the chapters about the magical child that what the magical child will do is lead to the greater truth about what our entire human species is capable of And to me, I interpret that as like this evolutionary concept, like the singularity, the digital matrix, two thousand one of space Odyssey stuff And he describes it as a process of middle path sexuality, which You know And this goes back to the Crowley thing that I was talking about. Like these guys they talk in such weird language. L it's always like, oh, it's just enlightenment And I'm like, there's something more to it, right? But then they're like, no, no, no, it's enlightenment. It's the great work. It's Yeah. And it's like, bro, I know there's some more to it, right It's a control system, I think. And Well, it's twwilight language. It's the occult blinds that they use whenever they're writing documents. You know, I was joking with a friend of mine last week about that And I said, you know, when I was first reading years and years ago, picking up some of these books by Crowley and Parsons and whoever else You know, it's very surface level when you're reading it, right? Be you're seeing this stuff and it's like this is wild thenen as time goes, you realize that Oh, that's just That's a front what they're really saying is hidden within the text and only the Initia is able to decipher Code You know, Crowley was masterful at that especially with making things look very Vulgar and bizarre to the point that you thought he was a mad manan And you would read his stuff and most people would put it down thing was the real meanings were in the text So when you dug through it, it really wasn't what it looked like on the surface. And that's what a lot of these occultists do. That's why a lot of them wrote in fiction. becausecause it was easy when you wrote in fiction to hide from the church or whatever else because you know, oh, it's just a fictional book. It's like Moonchild, right? It's a fictional book about Croowley as Cyril Gray. And you know, everybody in the book was a person either from the Golden Dawn or whatever else. and they're basically trying to create a moon child of homunculus in this book but within the text is these are these occult blinds that are showing the true initiate how to perform this. You know, Ellena Vvaski talked about that a lot about Fictional books You know, Vrial the Cing Race. She talked about that book as being a map to what the Vrial actually were. And even though it was fictional, it really wasn't to these occultists. And s piggy back and off what you just said. It's interesting how they operate because To us, we're seeing enlightenment, it's good, but then when you start digging through the deeper layers of it, I mean, these entities they're talking to are nowhere near good. Right. And in Hyatt's book, he He has all this flowery language about how the Magical childild is this, you know, age of Aquarius and it's going to change the world. But when you dig deeper into it There is mention about it being what he calls a psychos spiritual vessel. and it will have superpowers, right? And this is very much on the nose with what we're hearing from these whistleblowers about The I don't know, invvisible college, whatever you want to call these people in the Uology are trying to make contact and even traffic kids with psionics abilities, right? And Again, so like You can see where we're going with it, right? Be what was Epstein's whole operation?'s messing with the kids and I just think that this ties into Some of the stuff we've seen in pop culture like stranger things as well. So that's kind of where I wanted to start out the conversation and I can pass it over to you, Joel. We start going deep into into your realms here. Yeah, I mean, it's actually a good segue because we're talking about containers And we're talking about the idea that souls can be moved or essences can be moved was not just necessarily with Humans, right We're considered by a lot of these occultists. and even gnostics, obviously, they look at it this way as we ourselves being containers But what about the creation of containers? What about the creation of artificial life in We know that cloning has been a huge part of the Zeitgeist for the past twenty plus years And we're seeing a lot of knowledge coming out through the mainstream about the idea of embryos being created without male and female. so When we're looking at that though, where's the precursor to that? And I got a couple of were going to talk about today, but I want to start with the Gllm And the Goleums interesting because you were just talking about the Kabbala and it's a big part of a lot of the Kabbalistic teachings Now What's really interesting when I started really digging through the Gllm is the initial front what they say is that the Galm itself cannot receive a soul And it's because they're created by human beings rather than God and they're inherently souless mute and lack human intelligence But then I start digging through what a lot of these rabbis were writing about, specifically in the Sephher suuffragate Sera which is one of the big documents and we're going to talk about CS Jones here too because he wrote about that particular from the Talmud. And the gollm is described in it as unformed or raw material. And as you dig deeper though with what some of these other rabbis are saying we're to get to that, that they suggested that they actually had souls. And then you have to ask the question, well, if they got a soul Where they get a soul from? and is it really a soul Be that's always been my question, right If you're transfering souls Is it really the transfer of a soul or Is it something else that's being masqueraded as a soul i. e. what Crowley was talking about with the creation of a moon child, bringing in like a planetary spirit and putting it into a body, which we'll get into that too But this sefragate Zera is the book of the Formation or book of creation. and this is where we get really our map of how to create Gllums. And we get into the idea that You can bring them alive with certain inscriptions or secret names of God. they call it the shhim or they can bring it alive with this Hebrew word called Emet And it means truth in Hebrew, but if you erase the E, it's met and it means death and you can essentially kill the Golem that you brought to life for whatever deed that you're trying to get it to do. Now, what the Jewish people say is that only Jewish people can do this. Even though there's a map on how to do it, they say that only Jewish people can do it because the Clam itself was considered Jewish. and we'll get into why that they consider that. And this is that idea of the soul now This is going to tie directly into why I think Gles have souls outside of just the fact that we're going to talk about some rabbis that talk about it. The bd Glem itself is in the Bible And it's actually in Psalm one thirty nine sixteen And the verse is your ey saw my unformformed body. All my days are written in your book and ordained for me before one of them came to be. Now this is Adam praising Goddess is creator. This is The verse the speaking of Adam in the sense of his unformed body and that God breathed life into him. Well, when you look at the Hebrew, unformed body Gall me And it means My gollm So the idea that Adam himself was the first column is actually biblical And if we want to look at what the Jewish people did specifically through the Kabala and the Talmud. They were replicating God originally did So it kind of goes back to what we always talk about that man's always trying to replicate what God has already done And we see this with occultist, cobbalist We talk about Gnostics that do it, all these alchemists throughout history, they've all done it. They are all trying to mimic what God did. And I wantm to talk about Pariselsus today too. and Pariselsus even suggested, it is hilarious that this was an ode to God that they were actually honoring God by creating these homunculus, which is similar to the Gleum, but a little bit different But yeah, Gleum itself, the word is actually in the Bible. and In the Oxford English dictionary, it means my light form raw material. So that made me think about what the prima material, So the prima material, the first matter is the matter that the alchemist uses to create the philosopher's stone. Now we can get into what the Philosopher's Stone actually is, the great work actually is most initiates or most alchemists believe that the great work is your great work, right? It could be anything A lot of people look to turning base metedals to gold and silver and all these things, which that is a a small part of it. But when you look at whatever that particular initiates great work was That is what they're drawing from to create this philosopher's stone. But this primum materia and some people believe it's God matter, right? Well that plays right into My light for raw material, this material that was breathed into Adam, the soul that was breathed into Adam. And that even ties into the Anima Mundi, which is the world soul So when we're talking about the primum materia a lot of different Philosophers, like Plato talked about it and he talked about the universe as a living creature. and he said it was created obviously by the Dmiurge when you go down that Rout But yeah, it was a world soul that when we die, obviously, we get ed back through this world soul and then we're shot back through if we can't cross over past the Dmi urge to go into this pleuroma, then we end up back in this cycle that is very gnostic, obviously in nature. It's reincarnation, the idea that we have to rein keep reincarnating until we can get past Yah toabh or as some say Yahweh who's blocking this. way for us to achieve They won't say this, but Godhood by moving into this realm. of all of these other infinite beings, essentially. But back to Adam being breathed life into him. this prima materia, as the alchemists would call it, which listen, I'm not a And I'm a Christian, but at the end of the day Hey Cut to music cut to music, cut to music. this is your boy. Isaac. I've got some links in the show notes that I need to talk to you about really quick 've been traveling all over the dang place. It's been real busy and I want you to enjoy the fruits of my labor So in the show notes in the description, you're going to see links to three different YouTube videos. The first one is My appearance on ninjas are butterflies. If you don't know who those guys are, I'm sure you do. You've probably seen them scroll across your feed U these guys are meega huge on YouTube. I think Almost two million subscribers And they were the coolest. They got theyave me this cool merch bag. I'm going to be posing doing some thirst trapping on the Instagram with it. I don't know. 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Cvalore de la Familia, L Portanciia del Travajo, Equel Noentan Nue Portent to the last person as the master Cinquuenta, Jatin and elbirus quecasaa Culebriga Okino Alas personona andrias Gola Rjaran, Josilaufi Eion de Lodosacon and Pojas Duros Manas Asino includes Astaria's Mas simimpless and Tolon Rto. Not bra in the sort dea Cula laminai Ala welcome to doctor Pharmaceutico, Patrinal for GSK Alchemy itself is not something that's negative. Now, if I can look at most alchemists, are they using negative tactics? Absolutely. My argument' always been, well, if we could see what Adam was doing or Moses or any of these guys, right? They were doing some pretty magical stuff. So you would consider them to be alchemists too, but in my opinion, it's who they're drawing their power from And I think that's where the line gets drawn for me And when you're looking at these entities that are trying to mimic God, what are they always trying to do? They're trying to create life. They're always trying to create some sort of version of The Atificial version of life. And when we get to that's the AI that's what the AI seems like, right? I mean I feel like this is and it's crazy because you see all these billionaires just sticking every dollar they have into it and I think casual observer such as me, right? I look at it I say What do they see that I don't? Like I get it. likeike I get how like it's a useful tool, right? L can make images with it. like I get that, you know wouldould I sink every dollar I have into this because they're acting like, all, it's going to replace all these workers and save the company all this money and like hasn't proven any of that at all And I think I think it's because it's a higher calling for these people that are secretly into some kind of a cult believes that they can manifest a God. Absolutely, man. And that's kind of what in this Sepraet Zera. And what's interesting is Nobody knows who really wrote it Now, obviously Kbalists believe that Abraham did, the patriarch Abraham or Adam did. But there's a lot of evidence that raabbi Yakiva wrote it. and he was in the first century and he was a Jewish scholar and sage And There's a lot of writings in it too that tie into the third or fourth centuries And Nobody really knows exactly who wrote it. and that's kind of why it's But just esoteric in the sense. We don't have a clue so they can pinpoint and say, well, oh, is this patriarch or whover else But T get to that book and I was talking about Charles Stansfield Jones, who was the spiritual son of Crowley, which by the way Croley was obsessed with creating his own moon child until he had an epiphany that he believed that CS Jones was the actual moon child was the spiritual child that he was supposed to have. And Stanansfille Jones has got some interesting writings himself. and he wrote a paper It's about forty pages. I can send it over to you want. It's called the Anatomy of the Body of God. And he gets into perfect work or the perfect being. in this And he starts talking about the soul of the world. Obviously, we're talking about the world soul. And he says some pretty good stuff to start out with that were made in the image and likeness of God of the universe. Again, it's back to what you said earlier Wh sounds really good to start with where oh yeah, well that makes a lot of sense. He says that, you know, God gave us our own personal choice or will, but you know, we should strive to follow him. Then you start going down the path of what God are they talking about? And it's vastly different than the God that you and I know So he gets into the great work for man. And he gets into an interesting piece of this where he says It consists in the adjustment of the soul or intellectual sphere. And it bears the perfect resemblance in correspondence to the material and natural order of the universe and its relation to the Supreme Order. So essentially what he's saying is that Your great work is to adjust your soul to be able to connect to this suupreme order. Well what is adjusting your soul? You know, that's what I was interested in in the fact that this book is connected to the suffer that is directly connected to this gollm. made me really You know, takes a pause here And he goes even further where he starts talking about wororshiping the central point which is concealed in the Malkoth, which is the center of the being. And that is the bottom of the tree of life. It's also connected to the Siakina, which is the feminine presence of God on the world, the divine feminine And he talks about that we need to seek this outder outside of our bodies and we need to become essentially these living creatures that run and return And you return from these illusions of space and time. So it's the idea of the soul being able to leave the body, but then coming back into something else, right? It's the It's what a lot of alchemists have tried to achieve. It's the idea of transcendence, but even more so the idea of living forever And we see this all the time now in Silicon Valley with a lot of these guys, Peter Theo, you know, trying to figure out a way to live forever. And I think a lot of them are looking for ways like a lot of these old alchemists did transferring your soul into something else And the idea of the Glem being a version of that or like an early version of that makes a lot of sense, especially when you've got more modern occultists that are looking at the idea of this artificial being So it gets a little bit deeper in some of the ideas of The Glem itself And How to create it So I was looking at one this one rabbi, he wrote the Encyclopedia of Jewish myth, magic and mysticism Rabbi Geoffrey Dennis And he gets into the idea of the seephra get Zera And you have to purify yourself by donning white robes. Well, who else dons white robes? You can look to herermeticism, the golden Dwn always Wore white robes. It was the achievement of balance, higher will, purity within the soul. The Lima. Austra Crowley talked about being an aura an invisible. Check us out an egg. of shining an elastic light that protects the magician So that What does that do? That ties right into the egg imagery from Kenneth Grant, who we werere just talking about and the egg being an astral vehicle that can take you through worlds When you look to ancients like the Maniccheans, the Gnostic group Templars, the Cisurtians, which were an offshoot of the templars from Bernard of Clairvaot who helped start the templars, just more gnosticism But He gets into Jeoffrey does, you wear these white robes, you go in two s and threes and you go to a river bank and you take from this virgin soil and you create this golem. And then what you do with this gollam that you've created out of clay or out of sand Very similar So what God created with Adam, right? God created Adam out of the earth and breated life in him. This is exactly what they're doing here Except here what they do is they open up these two hundred and twenty one gates of the Kabala to allow these well, I would suggest entities to come into this thing, but they are suggesting that it's the combination of these secret names of God and opening these Kbbalistic gates to bring life into this Hey guess what they do it in they do it in a A circle They create a circle which We can look to anything. We're just talking about Felima Magic with Alistra Crowley and he viewed the circle as a Dynamic Convergence to bring what God or entities to be invoked within them. So that's why I always have a tough time with this idea of the golem just being something that becomes animate because of some sort of Hebrew words that are attached to it And againgain, Jewish people will say that God brings it to life, which again, I got a tough time going down that road as well. but It gets a little bit crazier with the Gllm two when they talk about what they use it for So The Halaka, it's the Jewish law There are all these Oh 's going on about the Glllem Well, even before the Gllm There was this idea that the Jewish people could create Check this out now. animals. to eat. That wouldn't fall under Kosher law of the Halaka. So whatever God told them as a part of this kosher law, well, these things were not created of God. So when we create them, we can eat them however we want to eat them Well, that also plays off into the Gllm itself So it talks about how that m is wild stuff. They create Female Gllums to have relations with And the question was asked if The father and the sons in a family all have relations with the same female Gleum Does this constitute As some sort of incest or whatever that against the law. Well, no, it was created by man So it falls outside of that Well, they get even further into trying to understand the Gllm. Do it have a soul? Do it not have a soul And we start getting into some very interesting writings by a guy named Rabbi E you. Iliehu. And Ili who talks about that as long as the power of the intellect does not illuminate the infant, he is mute, being unable to speak. And if a man will create a creature alem by the divine names, we're talking about that and the holy letters mentioned in the seephragate Zera The Gen will have a figure with the appearance of a man shaped out of matters having even a soul all the powers and senses So it wasn't a a set thing as a lot of Kblists will say now that the goollm doesn't have a soul. No, there were arguments over the Gllm having a soul. There was arguments on whether or not the Gllm was actually Jewish and could be a part of Jewish customs if they were created to do so So goes a little bit further and I'm going to tie it up here where Mose Edell And he was a philosopher of Jewish mysticism and he's still alive to this day He gets into the idea that the Gllm actually And you're going to like this The creation of the Gllum is the form of transition for the creator So if you create the Glem, your soul transcends because now you have become a Godd And he says that when you wield this creative power, that takes you to this Next level of transcendence because of this creation of the animation of it. becausecause now you have done something that only God could do And I thought that was interesting because he even ties it into modern mystics and magicians who are trying to do the same thing. So you brought up Epstein are many other occultists also that have tried to perform the same thing. So I would As I'm wrapping it up here, I would consider that any of those things would be a form of a gollm that they are creating to embu some sort of spirit. they might believe a soul into it M. And that could be what the whole Epstein operation was and what they were really doing with kids up there And you know, you mentioned this before on one of our previous shows somewhere about when I was talking about Zora Ranch about how they tore up the helicopter pad and it was all these concentric circles and you mentioned that that was like indicative of some kind of portal, right? And You know, I think they call it a power cone in witchcraft, but There is an idea that you energetically use that circle that you were talking about earlier T you know, manifest things, right? And T you brought up him and he was investing in a company called Ambrosia, which is You know literally ties into the ideas of Adreno Chrome, which is kind of crazy, but Is it that crazy? I don't know. I feel like they're really trying to do all this stuff and Um You know, and I think people think, oh, well, you know, this is stuff from The Old Testament, this is thousands of years ago. we don't do that stuff anymore. And it's like, well, you don't do that stuff anymore But like these guys do because when you ome addicted to power, you can't get enough and you'll resort to whatever it is that can gain you more of that, right? is how I would look at that But when it comes to the Gllums and the moon childilds Kind of one of the most famous operations to folks in our Realm of research is Jack Parsons Uh and this is, um You know, is it a good time to segue into my part on Parsons or do you have more you want to touch on before we move? Oh, I'm good. Yeahah. goo ahead. Okay All right, so as Joel knows Back in nineteen forty six Parsons conducted what's called the Babylon working rituals and This ritual was just a continuation of previous rituals. Alistair Crowley did the ammvalantchro working based on the book of Enoch and the Eochian language that John D had derived from The angels he was in contact with in the, you know, sixteenth century Well, As the story goes The Babylon working was just another derivation from the Innochian language for Parsons rituals. to summon The Hore of Babylon. Hence the name Babylon working And there's some rumors as to what they were really trying to do, but the general consensus is that what he was trying to do was manifest in moon child or antichrist with the hore of Babylon through which he manifested with the ritual Now it's interesting because He started the ritual in early February of nineteen forty six And on february twenty third He wrote to Alisair Crowley that he had found his elemental, Marjorie Cameron And that date's kind of interesting, right? Because it's a Roman holiday called Terminalia that was all about bllood sacrifices to the gods. It also shows up in Our beloved twwin peaks. It's the day that Laura Palmer writes in her diaries. she says todayoday's the day I die And she dies. teechnically on the twenty fourth, which is Twin Peaks D which is also very and no shade of the twin piece. Like that's that's my people there, but It's kind of more of that we celebrate Twin Peak's Day as february twenty fourth because that's the day the day she died. I think people think I think people say that like, well, it's the day that Cooper drives into town O of whatever, right? Anyway It's a very dark story I But anyway, february twenty third also appears in have you Joel, have you seen the new Dclosure Day movie? I haven't yet mister busy over here, too busy for some brain rot Yeah, I am going to watch it for sure. That's definitely on the loo. We got to watch that. It's required viewing for a guy like you It's required viewing. Yeah. And I got see what propaganda that Spielberg setting out for everybody. he's he's definitely doing it. Wellru february twenty third shows up in that movie too if you if you pay attention So interesting that all this stuff would go back through Parsons, right Uh, and on You know, a few days later on february twenty eighth. Um He Jack Parsons goes back out into the Mojave desert and receives what's called Libber forty nine, the book of the Antichrist And he's described this as the fourth book in Crowley's Book of the Law, which is kind of the Bible of Thima And he furthermd downownloads it from a Venusian alien That's what Dr. Jacques Valeet said And for people who don't know Venuscians are believed to come from Venus And kindind of they kind of resemble the Nordics, which is interesting because we had that recent White House photo that was maybe AI, maybe not of Trump talking to some Nordics, right? Dude, what if it's real? What if it? You know what I mean? because I feel like and and I'm decided to jump in here. but this is how I honestly feel about UFO pictures. alien pictures and I've said this for a long time People hate to hear this in the conspiracy world But I always say I don't think it's all fake I think they know we're going to think it's all fake. And so they lay stuff out there and some probably the most real things that they show us The fakest You know, that old saying is so fake. It's real or it's so real It's fake or whatever. Yeah, it's like that. And I laugh about that because it does. it looks so fake that What if it's real? And what if honestly it was just a setup? What if he did go out there and take a picture of some people dressed up like this just to mess with us It's very possible. I mean Fox News came out with a report And they showed four different alien kinds. Have you seen this where they talked about the four kinds? Nordics were one of them And they talked about The Reptilians, Nordics, Grys, And I forgot what the fourth one was, but yeah, they're already They're already prepinus, man. They've been prepinus and here's my fear The conspiracy world is so adamant about everything being fake. And rightfully so in a lot of ways, man. we know what's going on. We know they're messing with us But I always leave this like fifty percent where It's real, but it's not what they're telling you So I always say that there's this idea that we see a video that pops up. We don't know where it came from And it looks like a flying saucer or it looks like some sort of ship Everybody's going to say it's fake It's AI or before it used to be Photoshop or whatever, right. But I used to say back then, I guarantee some of this stuff coming down the pipes' real. because they want to be able to funnel That's all that revelation of the method. The more stuff they can funnel through the cracks that you see, that you see and accept is that's fake and you keep moving, they can say, Ohh, we showed you you didn't want to listen. think that's kind of what we're seeing now with a lot of this disclosure stuff honestly believe that there is at least a small portion that's real. whatever it is, right? It's not what they're telling us, but it's something tangible that it's not AI or whatever else. And that's what I'm I've postulated that some of the stuff you'll see in Disclosure Day I'm going to guess some of that's real. Either it's the literal footage or it's Spielberg's recollection of seeing the real footage because Spielberg believes an aliens hands down. Like he is all in, he's been all in since the sixties when he made his first movie, which was about, you know, the close encounters of the third kind. That's been his thing the whole time. Supposedly he saw a video of actual UFO landing while he was filming close encounters I just think that And again, like Dude, I live on both sides of this fence with the alien thing. likeike I don't know what I really I honest to God, don't know what to believe with it all. I don't know But I but I I'm kind of a motor guy like There's like this non like you you take my you take my Orthodox Christian hat off And there's the I want to believe Fox Molder inside of me that's like, I know it's real. It's got to be real. What is it? Let's hear it, you know Right. I think it's real. I just don't know if it's what they's telling us and I think there's a tangible explanation for it, But I also don't think it's as simple as we've got it figured out because everybody's got to figure out. It's fake or it's aliens or it's interdimensional beings or it's demons. I've argued it's all of them deepending on the situation, it could manifest itself in a certain way that this person's experience is different than this person's experience, even though they both had gray experiences with grays, right? That's just R. So I think that we have to look at it in a layered complex way, but our human minds don't really naturally work that way. We need to figure out the answer so we can compartmentalize it and move on And it's tough for people who actually seek knowledge to understand things because you know that you can never tie ribbon on it and put it away. It's just impossible Right. And and these things are there there's the trickster element to them that's makes it hard to nail down. and yeah, just like you said, there's this observer experience that this subjective reality and And in my first alien book, I talked about Jeffrey Zachs wrote this book and he talks about the the cognitive models that we build in our mind you know, when we watch a movie about UFOs or brain doesn't know if that's the news and that's really a UFO invasion or if that's just a movie. Like you have to literally kind of have that conversation in your brain decide if this is a real thing or not. So The fine line between what's real and not is pretty pretty thin sometimes, right Right. So this So this Venusian alien tells Jack Parsons to proceed with the operation to create the magical child. and The year of Babylon was to be the year twenty eighteen. So I guess we've got some time. I don't know So in March, he proceeds with the second stage of the ritual, which is trying to procreate with Marjorie Cameron. to bring the Moon Ch into our world And from this, you know, quue up the Age of Aquarius music and whatever, right and the moon childild the the sort of The way I've seen it described in You know, I've got at least three Jack Parsons books They describe a moon child as a man who isn't bound up with the hereditary genetics Um And this is what kind of like you were saying, there was lots of pursuits to Bertha Gollum or Homunculus in the past going back through all the ancient alchemist and so on. which which I wanted to go back to you mentioned peracelsis using sort of Christian flowery language and Um I'm still working on I'm working on a lecture where I kind of piece all of this together. So I've been talking about this kind of stuff The middle aged alchemist and such during when they first When the Medici family first paid to get the corpus or Medicum translated It sparked this whole Rennaissance, right? And yet all these scientists which were just occultist, you know, your Isaac Nons and your pair of celsis and all these guys They were doing all these occult sciences and rituals and things, but B then the church had a stranglehold on everybody so they couldn't say what they were doing So they use all this weird kind of flowery language, right? And The Church didn't catch wind of this for like a hundred years and then finally when Galileo wrote that The the the Sun doesn't what was it the sun doesn't revolve around the Eth, right? He basically talks about Heliocentrism, the suun being the center of our solar system. And the church was like, no, dude, like that's not the way God created this world.'re We are the center of the universe. And Galileia was like, not really fam. likeike that's not what the science says. And they' were like, Burnem with the steak. and also A lot of these a lot of these alchemists and stuff, they could not talk about what they were really doing. So they kind of just just to go back to kindind of how we started out the show. It's It's this idea that you can't really come out and say what you're doing. You got to kind of be like, well, it's for You know, we're going to enlighten the world. We're going to bring about the new age and it's going to be great. And it's like, what exactly are you weirdos doing, right and There's there's lots of different sort of examples from this sort of Renaissance era that we could go into. You got Francis Bacon, AKA Possibly Shakespeare, possibly Sam Tripi. he's the guy who Have you seen that? Have you seen the Sam tripleoling thing? I want to get on the fittest Flat Earther's radar so he could Try to like come up with something for me. I try be something. I promise you it'll be something man. G' find something. I want to see it again. about it is you can find anybody to look like anybody. think I think, especially with AI. I tried to do it with him. I was like, I was like, dude, how legendary would it be if I did a video about the fittest fllat Eth or And the closest I could think of was Adam Sandler. I I already did this. Bdy famous. Yeah.ag it over. Oh funny. Hilarious, man. ye. I' got see that. I thought I was kind of like Adam Sandler. I was like, well, that'd be a good one, man. I don't have the technical skills to make that video That's great way. the uh, you know, Francis Bacon typess there talked about the newew Atlantis, right? This techn fascist aected government running by the scientist And the AI, right? basasically AI before they term for it U Albertus Magnus Paracelsis like you were talking about, these are kind of the OGs of the homunculi world because And, you know, Magnus created that brass head And intelligence, right? It was kind of the first Android. Back in the fourteenth century and They Parissels claimed that there was a way to create a You know, miniature Artificial intelligent, fake human through alchemical processes, using horse manure and all this crazy stuff Wanayala has been going hard on the hard in the paint on that stuff for years. So Um and just goes back to the story of the the brazen head I don't know if you're probably familiar with all this Joel, but like there's the brazen head that could speak to people and Thomas Aqueenas got so annoyed by it. he destroyed it And then another Alchemist guy named Roger Bacon tried to build one And supposedly and I tried to get the book, but it was like sixty bucks on Amazon where I guess he apparently claims that He tried to build this brazen head to have this artificial intelligence to it, K of like a magic Aball He needed to fuse the spirit of a demon in it to get it to work, which I think is on the nose of what exactly He's going on with all this stuff, right Right. And it's interesting you brought up Oh oursel is because Freighter Albertus is a newer sort of modern day cultist, I guess, you know, twentieth centur And he founded the Paracelsis Research Society here in Salt Lake City in Utah which later turned into the paracelsis colloege which shut down in the eighties when he died and he was doing an actual chemical lab experiments, right with the beakers and the Bnts and burners and all that stuff. And and it You know, Utah is a very strange place, right? veryy mystically aligned sort of environment. And and always tell the story, but There are these white flatten into cube shapes in the sidewalk on the corners downtown This is Hotac Coty from Joy one hundred one with Hotac Coty. CBS is there for moments big and small, making it easy to get what you need and leave feeling confident that you've got it all covered. 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Mvalor de laa Familia, L Poranciia del Travagjo, Equel noentenu Porento the last person as theemase Cinquenta, Jatina albidus Cacasa Cleriga Okuto Alas persononas Andrias Golza Rjeran, Josilaufi. Eion Lodo Aacon and Pojas Duros and Minas Asino includes Aaria's Mas simimplac and Ton retto Not bring the sort dea Cul rita de lamanina de fisi Ala welcome to doctor Parmaceotico, Patrrosino for GSK And I've always wondered what they what the heck they mean, right? Like I'm like, Oh, Saturnday symbolism, right? But So the closest I could find to an answer to that is that it's the map to this alchemical lab. I don't know how you follow the map exactly, but Um Yeah, So so Utah, of course, always got its sort of connections into the occult. and then after Oh You know, in fifty two or fifty three, Jack Parsons dies And him and Marjorie Cameron never able to actually procreate. So Marjorie Cameron eventually finds out that she was a part of this ritual. She had no idea and cllaims u the yes, she is Babylon and she starts Having sex with Jack Parsons on the astral plane and supposedly birth a magical child in that realm And if you go to some of the more sort of like I hate to say salacious because I feel like this is probably more real than the u or mainstream books, but Paul Riddine wrote a book called Jack Parsons and the The Fall of Babylon And he connects all of this stuff into the strange world of Kenneth Grant And Kenneth Grant was saying that All this Uexplained aerial phenomenon started During the late forties with the great flying saucer flap which happened after Parsons did the Babylon working ritual forty six And he says something flew in. And Part of the whole ordeal was that the atomic bomb The Trinity Test in forty five weakened the membrane and allowed all this stuff to happen. And what's interesting is that Marjorie Cameron would go on to later detail that she saw a flying saucer. that. she believed was referenced in Crowley's Book of the Law as what they called a war engine And she She thought the world was going to explode and here come the UFO's and they were going to take her and her friends back to Mars These people were really into some strange UFO cult stuff and she would go on to marry Um you know, uh Sharon Kimmel and Burt Schoonenberg and these guys were you know, claim they were having sex with aliens and getting abducted and channeling all this stuff out My point is is that Parsons believed that flying saucers were part of Alstter Crowy's religion of Thima, which is all about the new age, right? And it was convert the masses to Crole's religion or Croleianity, as he put it. And what was What was the underlying theme be a Christian warrior here, but That's the whole thing that Crowley and Parsons and Bavaski kept harping on and on about is like How do we stop Christianity And then we're also hearing that Oh, and this age we're bringing about is about UFO's and aliens And it makes you wonder why, you know, there's all these like sort of Othodox voices like Father Seraphim Rose who have been saying for many years that The alien phenomenon is a deception to get people away from the church, right And then one more interesting sort of side nugget and then I'll pass it back to you. Jack Parsons sort of plugs into this Trinity test, you know, because he was a rocket scientist, right But If you go through James Shelby downwards can kill thirty three It kind of connects these dots and he wrote so downownard and Michael Hoffman wrote King Kill thirty three and Hoffman wrote a piece about the alchemy of the West And he said that the magical order the the Aro tempplate Orientis the order of the Eastern star. They actually had a temple on Mount Palamar in California which is a holy mountain for the local you know, Native Americans there And they put the temple there because they said that this was the sexual chakra of the earth, which is why Parsons did a lot of rituals near there. Parsons would regularly visit this temple Oh. And it's on the thirty three parallel and it goes on and on and on and it ties into Georgia Damky C contact in nineteen forty six right after the Trinity site was when he first made contact with aliens, supposedly But again, and this goes into like golden age Uology stuff, but to wrap up my whole Parsons section here. I think it's possible that they created this moon child And this moon child may have been Oh guy called the occult Count Chocula, Michael Aquino, and that's who I'm going to talk about when we bring her back to me for my third and final section. So I want to kick it back over to you, Joel. Yeah, that's interesting. Yeah, I'm pretty familiar with Marjorie Cameron Oh creating a spiritual child with the soul of Parsons part of this operation called the Wormwood star. which is pretty interesting. But yeah, it's fascinating that Cultist believe that The soul is something that can be essentially moved around. And Where does it move around to? Well, you brought up Paracelsus and you brought up the little man and that's what I'm about to get into right now is the homunculus. And you brought up Juanyala, which by the way, Juanyala is in the doocu series with us too. there we go Yeah, he really put me on the homunculus a few years back And it's funny how the honculus has become such a huge part of what our research now because of it being so connected to the alien phenomena, I believe And the Homoculus is this artificial human or human like being And the name came around in the sixteenth century par of Celsus. And Really There's a few versions of it that came before that. Now Pythagoras talked about preformationism. which he believed that the sperm itself was a little man And the little man went into the egg and then grew into this child. By gets crazy because That's a little man, then that little man has to have a little man inside of it and that little man has to have a little man inside of it. That's the whole purpose of this preformationism. As a matter of fact, Aristotle expounded and elaborated on the idea to And it's kind of One of the versions of the Mculas. There's so many different versions of it, but peraclsus is the one who really came with the actual name for it And he talks about how to make it. You brought up the whole idea of the horses dung. So The word they use there is ventoryquinas and what's interesting is It depends on who you're talking to and what they believe. Is it horse's dung or was it a horse's womb So some believe that you put this m of a man And it's putrefied. you put it in what they call a cQre bit Cuubit could be pretty much anything like a glass. tube or it could even be like something from the Gord family like a squash or something that's hollowed out, any of these type of things And you put it in this horse's dung, this warm horse's dung orr this horse's womb. and you leave it for X amount of time And then you feed it They call it the arcanum of human blood. You start feeding it blood so it becomes this little child and then becomes this little man. It's a miniature human being. A Parasalsis gets even deeper with it where he talks about what this human being can actually achieve for you. someome of that can divinate someome of them can nt tell the future is a matter of fact, they say that at a certain point, you need to off it because if you don't, it'll run away into the woods and become something monstrous like a giant or some sort of what we might consider a cryptid bigigfoot dog man, something like that, which is super interesting too. Now I brought up peraracelsus And what he was saying spepecifically when it comes to God in the Bible. Now another before I even get to that The idea of it sitting in the horse's tongue in the horse's womb was for forty days. Now that's an important number not only in the occult, but also in the Bible because the Bible always refers to forty You look about the great flood, rainfll for forty days and forty nights. Moses spent forty days and nights on Mount Sinai receiving the law We know the spies in Canaan. they go into Canan to scout it out for forty days when they come out And they disobey God. The Israelites go into the wilderness for forty years We know that Jesus fasted and was tempted in the waters for forty days. When Jesus reappeared after his resurrection, He was on earth for forty days before his ascension. When we look at it in the occult world a symbol of testing, purification and transformation. So I would say that would be translated over to the Bible too because it is, it's a ification process is if you look at any time at the forty days or forty nights or forty years or whatever when the forty comes up It's a time of testing. It's a time of purification. Well, they also believe that in the occult world too. Well, that's how you create this amunculus. You're putting it in this horse's dg or womb for forty days so it can start gestating. Now He also believed that natural process of it was to Mimic God but in a way, That was okay because he said he didn't view the creation of artificial life as an affront or an opposition to God's order He thinks it was a participation in it Now listen, we've talked about this earlier pretty much this whole episode how that this is how these occultists were things They word it in a way that it sounds good Now in his mind Man is the microcosm while macrocosm or reflecting the macrocosm of the universe and that We therefore were endowed with the potential to reflect, guess what? Divine creativity. So creating the homunculus was sacred And If you did it then you were actually honoring God But then it gets a little bit funny when he says that On the virtuous pious and divinely inspired alchemists could undertake such an operation. So we're back to that point that they always say that well, it's only the adept. it's only the special ones can perform this Now Paul Young gets into the homunculus too. Now he gets into the aspect of it being a symbolic expression of inner transformation in individuation So he talks about it being a spiritual child born of the alchemical union of the opposites. So you know and I've talked about the Binging together the polarities the idea of the union of this feminine and masculine creates some sort of spiritual energy. And that's what Carl Young was talking about the spiritual child. Well, we talk a lot about spiritual child. We just talked about Marjorie Cameron creating a spiritual child with the soul of Jack Parsons after Parsons had passed. It goes a little bit further too When we look at C. S. Jones being the spiritual son of Alistair Crowley as well. Now, you can go further back if we're talking about the homunculus and we can look at Zoamos from Panopouolis, And He and his visions talk about that he encounters this priest and this priest changes into the opposite of himself into what they call an anthroparion. Now, the anthroparion in the Greek is similar to Homunculus. It's the minive form of a person. So he actually saw this artificial life that was created from this priest And Young even gets into the ideas of what Zosmos meant by that. And he was really one of the first ones to come out and say that was Zzimos was talking about what we would consider to be a homonculus, which I thought was super interesting. But to Rell it back to What we were talking about with these with the moon child and the transference of spirits or souls Zozimos goes into get a little bit further Now this was interesting because this correlates biblically to what he was talking about. He talks about the composition of wateraters, movement growth, embodying and disembbodying, drawing spirits from bodies and bonding the spirits within bodies. So he breaks down the essence of being able to take a spirit, move it from one body into the next body. He even goes a little bit further And he talks about the divine writings that say the angels became enamored of women and descended taught them all the works of nature And then from them There is the creation of this new life or what we might consider to be the Nhalime or the giants, these spirits that I believe that if specifically with the homunculus. if we're talking about the creation of life and what's going into them, Well we can go a little bit further with Alisair Crowley when we're talking about the Moonshot And you've talked about the Moon shot quite a bit And we know that in that book that Crowley plays a character, he writes himself as a character called Cyril Gray And he's working with another character called Simon If, who represented Theodore Rooce And there is a woman in there called Lisa Lisa Laria. And Lisa La Lafrea is seduced by this white magician, Crowley because you know Crowle's seducing all these women around the world. So he's gott to write himself that way too. And he is trying to impregnate her with the soul of an ethereal being. And again, this is a fictional work. B This is what's also very interesting He wrote a Libber called Liber three hundred sixty seven de homonculo, which means of the homunculus And he actually goes into depth about what it takes to do that, which I found fascinating because he wrote this in nineteen fourteen This was prior to the Avalche Workings. This was Prior to him meeting Lam. This was prior to him meeting Amalantra know he would have met Albel Des by this point who also showed him the egg But he writes this in nineteen fourteen right either right before or right when he gets to America. I find really fat and there's a lot of interesting stuff too about what Crowley was really doing in America. We talked about him working for MI five and various secret agencies, even the U S because the US won't even talk about what he was involved with either But he's over here and he meets this entity Lamb prior to that breaks down the process of creating a homunculus. Now, his process of creating the homunculus is vastly different ar paracsis or liibra vace, which the gnostic the Sabians more than likely wrote even though peopleeople try to say Plato wrote it Wh different process. His process is different He takes the fetus at three months and then they try to implement what they call a planetary spirit into it. He talks about this And he says that Obviously, you need to have Check this out now Angellic beings with you When you do it names them by name. Nakel Rapfael, Hanel Anael. even talks about Terriial Rafael. He named several angelic beings that need to be a part of this. Well as a part of this too, youre we were both talking about the ritualistic circles He talks about you have to take the woman to the desert You're going to draw a circle And that's going to implement the process of bringing this planetary spirit into this fetus into this artificial life. You're essentially creating an artificial life with real life So Crowley had a all mapped out how to make a moon child long before he was actually talking about Moon children He was talking about themunles. He had. Libre three hundred and sixty seven, which was a document on how to do it. It wasn't even just the fictional work. This was a Libver on the process of this is how you do it and this is how you implement this spirit So the idea of taking a vessel implementing a soul and a spirit into it It's been going around forever. I mean we was just talking about Zosmos Panapouolis who is talking about this version of this priest that's created, this little version, a clone version of it which Carl Young also referenced as, hey, you know what? even before peraraselsis, Sozmos was talking about it too Wow. Yeah, that's that's incredible, man because I I think that the I think that The Silicon Valley dudes Who You know, there thiss a proven connection through dark Elightenment stuff that They were reading up on the CCRU's writings People tend to just think like, oh, they were just into that libertarian sort of accelerationism philosophy of hyper capitalism, but Well, that's the throwaway the other half of what the CCRU was saying. and that was, hey, you know what? we should make contact with these HP Lve crafting entities and There's these entities outside the forces of space and time and their chaotic deemons who want to, you know, basically coming into our world which which, you know, that that's kind of like how you described it there made me think of Rosemary's baby, right? which is kind of it's kind of this idea of Hey, you're gonna to do this ritual and You know, make sure you've got some spirits on the helm kind of handy in the next in the closet or whatever so that they can, I guess jump in the body or something at the right time. And you know with all this stuff, I always wonder, did you come across anything that I don't know ved that they were able to do this. Like did anyone ever say like, yeah, so then we birthed this thing and we named it so and so and endnded up living a pretty good life. I mean, I've never seen anything that's ven it bides it's all this weird Fantasy talk about doing this stuff. Right I think that's the Interesting dilemma you run into when you're researching this stuff And matter of fact I actually talk about that in the DocU series where I mention that that Where's the proof of it. however Why are all these guys talking about it? to me Yeah. That's the weird part where it's like, okay, where's the proof of it? but Why is it such a focal point And we're not even talking about for a hundred years. We're talking about thousands of years that it's been talked about. You know, I brought the Gllm and the Gllm being talked about for two thousand years, the Homunculus being talked about just about as long, you know It's at some point You have to say, Well there had to be something to it, right? And againain to what they're trying to do now with cloning It seems oddly similar except it's being presented in a more technical, advanced way that seems very scientific. But it just seems like it's pretty much the same thing. Yeah Yeah, it's pretty incredible, dude. and I'm with you, man. L on the one hand, I'm like, where's the evidence? On the other hand, I think I mean, these are some of the smartest people that ever walked the Earth. or so I think, right? I mean, Isaac Newton seemed like a pretty smart dude I mean, he invented Newtonian mechanics, but you know, yet again, he's doing alchemy and all these weirdccult experiments. So There must be something to it. and Crowley, I mean, say which one about him, but I don't know. he seemed like a fair I mean, he was intelligent enough to write a bunch of books and stuff. I mean, he wasn't an idiot. I know that much He was brilliant brother. I don't care what anybody says. And that's me not liking a lot of what he's got to say or do byy any stretch, the imagination. by You he ever hear people say not even just with him with some of these other ocults where they're like, oh, it's the writings of a madman. Yeah, they were mad in a genius type of way, but also back to what I said earlier with occult blinds in Twilight language If you're not an isiue, you're not going to get it. and it's going to seem like absolute madness to you when you're looking at it and reading it. You're not going to get it. You're not going to see the anagrams hidden within it. You're not going to notice that this word ties into this word on this page because of this cobilistic word that ties into this numerology here. You won't get all that because until you are in that It's just going to seem like Gibberish and it will seem like the ravings of a mad manan. And I'm not saying that he didn't go mad at some point either or some of these guys don't go mad.. They obviously do because I think sometimes this type of knowledge drives men to really lose their minds because there's they're so obsessed with chasing saying And real quick before you get on your next part, but to that point Have you ever noticed That in the end, a lot of these guys are left with nothing They're left destitute John D was in that similar category. Im not say all of them, but it seems like a lot of them Chase this infinite knowledge, comeome godli. And in the end, they're left with nothing Yeah Croley was the same way And I find that fascinating. It's almost like a The answer' right there. Don't do it. Yeah, dude, it does seem that way. It's hard to explain, man. I do see that. and I think that I was just watching a documentary about Man, who was I don't know who it was, man. I kind of think it was the guy who I was watching something about the Brotherhood of Saturn C and I think that guy ended up dying poor and destitute and on drugs. I could be wrong, don't quote me on that anyway Yeah, that that's, um That's another example of and to take it into my third section here Another example of someone who was clearly very intelligent, couldould have been evil I think so, maybe Uh, Michael Aquino who you know, one of the most notorious people in all of the occult and I only recently sort of took the time to go through his whole story And I did two episodes on it and boy, I mean, I just scratched the surface. There's so much going on and I feel like in a way He's the guy that connects so many So many dark aspects of the conspiracies that we talk about today with you know, Epstein and the likek. So let's go back to birth which was in October of nineteen forty six nine months after Parson starts the Babylon working Right? and When I first sort of did the math on that, I thought Nah, that couldn't be, right. It couldn't be that Jack Parsons and Marjorie Cameron had a moon child and that was Michael Lquino, AK Count Jocula, the MK ultra countount Jocula Um, But even when I dug deeper into it, Michael Aquino even commented on this as well. He even suggested that yeah, maybe he was He was born on october sixteenth, nineteen forty six, which was the day that the Nuremberg defendants were hanged for, you know Nazi Germany But As everybody knows, the full story of Aquino. he would join the army work in the psychological operations field Marry a woman named. Lillis and Claire U, supppposedly she was LDS. I don't I don't't haven't been able to confirm that He's one of these people that had a very mysterious life. like there's not the details are a little fuzzy and they seem to be purposefully sort of scattered, right? Some accounts say he was married twice Either way, one of them was supposedly was LDS or he described her as being LDS, which, you know, that connects us back into that Paraselsis college, possibly, you know, probably not, but right the LDS have this whole connection into freemasonry when you go through Joseph Smith and Egyptology and all this stuff, right Well, while he is in Vietnam, he writes the diabolicon and this impresses Anton L Vay. Anton the Vay is like, hey, Why't you write up some rituals using HP Love Crafty and language, so he does But what's interesting is that he met Anton Levey at a screening of Rosemary's baby whichich again Rosemary's baby is the story of basically a moon child or the anntichrist being brought about through creation we'll say, with Satan himself Now What's interesting Another fun factor. So Nick Hinton was on Twitter posting The the connection that Bpielberg's disclosure dayate dropped on june twelfth, which I had previously said You know, that's six and two sixes, right? S, six, six which Nicken was like, that' actually the day that Rosemary's baby was released, which I mean, if we can connect into Rosemary's baby, there's this whole UFO rabbit hole because it was filmed at the Dakota where John Lenon and Yoko Ono had seen UFOs and John Lenon would later be shot and killed there by Mark David Chapman, who claimed he was fighting a war for these aliens and he was obsessed with Catcher in the Rye, which connects us into the world of MK Ultra and all of these things connect into Michael Equino. Um And John Lennon had, you know, he was an interesting guy. He had said that his He had sold his soul to the devil and his body felt like he described his body as a hollow temple. filled with spirits passing through. All right, which which just kind of this idea a little bit about this you know human human souls and bodies for containers and such, right This is Hoda Coty from Joy one hundred one with Hoda Cotby. 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Uh, because John Lennon once told his other lover may hang that He had been abducted As a child from aliens And he would tell Erri Geller about these four entities that actually came into his place to abduct him and they were Bug light, which was the insectoids, which was the fourth race that Fox News was talking about, I think, right? The mantis. Yeah, the Yeah the mantis. That's it. Yeah Um And guess what and and Joel, you'll never guess H you heard this story yet about John Lennon and the abduction from the aliens? I don't think I have. Okay I'm looking I think you're such a smart guy that I think you can guess the object that these aliens handed John Lennon I think you could guess out of any object in the whole universe What object do you think aliens handed John Lennon? An egg An egg, yes. They handed them a metal egg. Wh you know. I knew you would know. How did I know you would know? Here's our guideel. Um Yes, anyway. U That's a little side rab. Let's go back to Michael Aquino, right? Michaelquino gets involved with the Church of Satan And is writing these satanic rituals, which is using and calling upon the same forces of HP Lovecraft, right? The Katulu, which ties us into Kenneth Grant's Typhonian OTO And the CCRU, which is the Dark Enlightment and so on, right? This's like this whole connection point, right? and Around nineteen seventy five, Michel Lucquino summons the devil himself. And the devil's like, you know what? you got the juice now. You're, you know, Church of Satan, That's old news. You're the guy now. And so he starts the temple of set. Did he say that was the real name that was revealed for Satan was set That was his rebuttal to Anton Leveay because he and LeVe had a big falling out because didn't id't Leveay originally start with more of a spiritual way of looking at Satanism and then moved into more of this humanistic viewpoint, and that's what kind of pissed off Michael Aquino because he somethingomet along those lines. Well, it from what I read Um Quino didn't like the Ant on the Vay to have this sort of materialistic aspect of the Church of Satan Yeah. And Michel Ocino was like this is a it's kind of like a high magic versus low magic thing whereas Orina was like, no, like we should take this serious and like you're really in contact with, you know, gods and deities. takeake it serious now and then the final sort of schism for them was when Lve had sent out the newsletter and was now offering that you could get a certain degree with a certain amount of money instead of like going through the steps of the rituals and so on. So that's when Michel Lcquino was like, manan I don't like this stuff. So he does his own ritual. it's like, I'm gonna talk to the devil about this and he does. and the devil's like, Yeahah, you're right, man you should start the sample is set and yeah, he he says, yeah, my real name is was set hardare And you know, setet is really the name of the devil and it's kind of the mask he wore for a period of time. Nonetheless, it' In ' seventy five, it gets transferred over to Acquino, which is very important because it's what in the early eighties that we get all this satanic panic stuff, quote unquote. which looking back in hindsight We now think Gee I don't know if this was made of stuff, right? You read through those epen files and you're like, Man, maybe some of that was real. And you read about some of these occults and some of the things they're into Uh, you know, in Aquino obbviously caught up in allegations and'm going I'm going to say that That's the term we use here on this show is allegations of presidio and child abuse and day cares And what I find crazy is that the same story kindind of gets repeated over and over. And this could be copycat stuff. I don't know. I wasn't there Stories from Kathy O'Brien Sasha Rilly, the Franklin cover upp. Um What's that guy nameamed Pul Binacci? Like all these people seem to have the same story and they had the story when they were young before I mean, this is pre interternet days. It wasn't like they saw clips on social media and thought, well, gee, that'd be a fun little story for me to get my name out there. I mean, these people, their whole lives are ruined by these stories I don't know. I the older I get, the more I'm like less cynical of these stories. and I think Gee, I kind of think all this stuff was real or some element of it was real And I can't help but think maybe this ties into aQino, but pointoint is U Aquino is tapped by the devil and he's like, you got you got the u reigns now do your thing And he starts what's called the age of set Um, And there's some interesting viewpoints here that the Temple of S pushes like Consciousness not being dependent upon a human body and There's a quote I found where he says the rational black magician seeks immortality accordingly through non natural technologies, right? And this all sounds very much like let's put our brains in the digital matrix and put our neur link caps on and Um try something else, right? and The Moon child stuff You know, we could talk about all these missing kids, right? That's like a giant strange conspiracy you could talk about trafficking, blackmail, videos, all kinds of wild stuff, right? But Another idea is that there could be some kind of consciousness transfer experimentation going on, right? And this is where I want to get into for my final point this absurd, seemingly absurd theory about JD Vance and Erica Kirk being related to Michael Quino All right, and I looked into this. Uh Like I said, a quQeen o born october sixteenth, nineteen forty six nine months after the Babylon working ritual starts Jade Vents born august second, nineteen eighty four in Middletown, Ohio. Erica Kirk November twentieth, nineteen eighty eight. in Ohio. Now this is where it got weird for me because there is no city given. Nobody seems to know where Erica Kirk was born If you go to her IMDB, it says that she's born in Scottsdale, Arizona But Wikipedia says she grew up in Scottdale, Arizona, was born in Ohio. What city? Wh a secret You know what I mean Even further interesting and a lot of people know this already, but A guy named Paul V Lay is part of Turning Point USA's organization Board of Directors Paul the Lay was associates or in the chain of command with Michael Aquino because they both wrote this document called the Mine War document, which was basically a postmortem assessment of the Vietnam War and how they And they advocate that, you know, what we need is more sort of MK ultra Sci ops to sort of, you know, help the war fighter in the future. So it's so bizarre that Pabaelli would be on turning point and I wrote something down Um beginning of the show You said you said something really interesting that I don't I don't know if you thought thought about it this way or not. mayaybe you did and I'm just slow You said magic with a CK, right? And we're referring to the idea that Alistair Crowley says Um This is a real thing. magic with a K at the end, adding the K to it makes it different from stage magic, which is all slight of hand spoken mirror stuff, right Well, like, you said the CK and like my brain immediately went to like Oh, there's like another CK his name with Charlie Kirk, right? And that ties us into this Erica Kirk thing. I thought that was kind of strange. that those things could be connected, right? Anyway there's if you force me to come up with a conspiracy of connecting these strange three characters I think it's odd to Erica Kirk. is born from partarts unknown Ohio, right? Like any good villain wrestler. We don't know Why don't we know? Why is this a secret It don't say it anymore, but they used to do it all the time. They tell that. What happened? Bring it back So myory, my thought is, okay Maybe she's born in middletown, Ohio and they want to suppress that information. Why would they? Well, maybe it's because That's where JD Vance is from. People know that and maybe that's a little too close for comfort. So it could be that Michael Aquino and Lillis and Claire possibly had children in Ohio because he was actually going to Wright Patterson Air Force Base from what I understand Um, and my thought because because Middletown, Ohio is thirty miles from Wright Patterson, Air Force Base where allegedly they stored the UFO crash and bodies from the Roswell crash, which again Allegedly part of the Babylon working ritual stuff according to Kenneth Gham So my thought is And the sequence of events goes like this. July forty fiveth, well get the Trinity atomic bomb test. It thins the membrane or the veil A few weeks later we get the Trinity UFO crash at the same exact location. two months later The cororpus Hedicum gets discovered in December of nineteen forty five was something that people knew about, but they discovered the text in the Nag Hamadi text, right thenen On february forty sixth, Parson starts the Babylon working to try to manifest the Antichrist nine months later. We get Michael Lquino's birth Then we get the nineteen forty seven UFO flabs, the Roswell crash. They take these parts and bodies to Wright Patterson Fast forward another, you know, twenty years a quQeen who joins the military, does all the Sci up stuff. Church of Satan Temple of Set. Bevelsberg working at Nazi castles in Germany and Obviously heavily influenced by Satanic ritual and even HP lovecraftian forces of Kutulu and such Possibly he uses his connections to get the right Patterson, mayaybe even does some alien rituals with the corpses or the craft or something. and maybe Berths, Jie Vance and you know, Eric Kirk in Middletown, Ohio. I mean it sounds kind of crazy. Um, but could be, right? It's I mean, I'm saying anything's possible, right Um And then you fast forward and you've got this sort of dark enlightenment push through people like Peter Teal and the public blood sacrifice ritual, King Kill thirty three style of Charlie Kirk And I think this all could be why JD Vance says aliens are demons. likeike that's the big quote he had not too long ago. And Paul Villlei works at turning point. So he's aware of Aquino. he's aware of psychological operations I think that All these, you know, when I first started researching all that, I thought, well, this is like the silliest, dumbest conspiracy ever that people are talking about because they look alike, right? They put the it's like the fittest bladatterder for things. likeike, Ohh, look, it's the same person. I was like, okay, let's look into this But then the more I dug into it, I was like, I don't know, man, maybe, dude. So anyway, that's that's that's my third and final topic for today. Let's let's pass it back to Joel. Yeah, that's wild, man. and justust to real quick before I get into the Bab Bazar stuff with a quino You know, his whole philosophy was Kfer And it was the idea of comoming into being or am becoming And basasically People can attain this conscious immortality but it exists in their own universe. And he says that if you don't achieve this They always talk about the ascension Yeah. So which just dissolves and it's not existent upon the death of your body. He goes in even a little further. with what he called a metaphysical soul called the Mind Star. and he wrote a book called Mind Star And he It's basically like a manual for how to create the immortal self And That was interesting because I knew that you were coming in with Michael Cino for this episode as we talked about this a few weeks ago. But I thought it was interesting when it talks about the soul. He had his own ideas of how to create the immortal soul. He had a manual on how he believed that you could do this So All these guys have some version of ascension. and it's funny how well, if you don't ascend In his world why you just dissolve, you're gone you have to be able to Be like me. and be able to achieve these great things. But man, you killed it with the Erica Kirk and JD Vance stuff. I mean, Middleton is right up the street for me. It's like forty five minutes to an hour away from me. so it's not far. Okay. We need We need some on the boots research, Joel G' by theions. quite a few times so the base is not that far away toided to the last part and this is the whole reason that we were going to do this anyway was because you texted be and you were like Yeah What if we did sooul containers? You know, the Bob Lazar Oh interview and I said, man, that would be pretty good So before I jump into it though I'm going to play the clip for everybody so they can listen to Babazar actually talking about it and then we'll talk about it here in a second extremely classified document dealing with religion and it's about that thing period. Why would there be any classified material dealing with religion I want to go back to the religion thing. I want you to say Oh, come on, that's so weird. that' the line. I'm not asking you to say what you believe to be a fact. I'm asking you to say what you read in a report thats that is get it at what may be the most top secret facility in the world. Okay U All right, I'll. It just it's so it's so far out. it's. Your objection has been no Okay, what does it say That were containers. That's how That's how supposedly the aliens look at us. that we are nothing but containers containers of Containers Maybe contanders of souls, you can come up with whatever theory you want, that we're containers. and that's how we're mentioned in the documents U that religion was specifically created So we have some rules and regulations for the sole purpose of not damaging the containers. the souls meaning well, the souls or the bodies, whatever. Thats that't mean like we're we're containers for souls that they're going to use at some of your Right Yeah. so Bob's basically brereaking down the idea of what the aliens view us as. And it's funny because the interviewer pushing him to start with and he doesn't want to talk about it. And He says, well what's this idea of classified material dealing with religion? Apparently it was some massive file This classified document that you ran across and it was all about religion And he gets into the idea where he says containers of containers, which I thought was interesting when he starts with. And then he says, well, maybe containers of souls And he's like, whatever theory you want. And he said, that's what was mentioned in the documents. And then he says that The that religion was created so that we have rules and regulations for the purpose of not damaging the containers So these aliens, these beings, don't want us to damage the containers And it goes further into the idea of the description of the containers Was it a sign of malevolent intent And were' religions Were they good at all? I think that was part of the question, But then he goes a little further into the fact that vessels were for some type of cheheck this out now, Divine spark. So what he said about the divine spark, I was like, o, this Gicismona one right here. This is the idea that we are just housing This divine spark that's of the essence. of a greater being. I went into some more research on the Bob Bazar interview And I found some theories on it And I thought they were super interesting One of them was that biological containers And this was interesting The idea that humans would be of interest to aliens Because we might be like living libraries of genetic information they want to access for research to understand Earth better or understand us better Well, looked at that and I said, well, that kind of reminds me of something called the Aashic Records, or at least a version of it Well you know, in phosophy and Hindu mysticism, there's this library that you can access through whether it's meditation or even like Edgar Casey when Edar Casey would fall asleep and he'd be able to access Th Cic records through clairvoyant readings. Rudolph Steiner talked about them a lot as well. Now his tied into very similarly to what Helen Bavaski would talk about too. and he would wrote that into evolution and all of these different root races and being able to access the Aostic records to understand what happened before us, that ties into Atlantis and all these different things And also the idea of soul evolution that each soul has its own specific section or book within the records. So it made me think about us being biological dainers or us having our own acostic record that these entities are trying to access. At least I thought it was the interesting idea from what? was talked about with Bob Bazar And then he getes a little further Go ahead. sorry, I don't want to cut you off. That's kind of what if you read Diana Pasalka's American cosmic, she talks about The one character in the Invisible College, I think is Tim Taylor who actaking it was him. Okay. yeah, it's like this aesthetic lifestyle of, you know, veganism and yoga. and he refers to it as like keeping a clean antenna And if I'm hearing you correctly, one One interpretation seems to be that Um The aliens might want to I don't know, have Caner. I don't know specimen to channel research or something like that. Is that I mean, am I off face with that? I don't think you're off because the more I was looking into the different theories around the soul container. One of them talks about Consciousness vessels And our humans study by extraterrestrial beings to understand the nature of consciousness itself? So there's different ideas of what this encasing this shell actually is for us So I don't think you're off is what I'm saying Okay, interesting. And you were talking earlier, I want to go back to something you said earlier. I forgot to ask you Were you saying that roy like you see all these white robes in many religious , you know, ceremonial garb like the Druids and the occultists and the OTO and even in Orthodoxy, we have baptismal robes that were supposed to get buried in their, you know, white robes with red crosses and stuff Um Did you say that Crowley compared this to the shell of an egg or am I putting that am I making that up right? Yes. Okay. compared it to the egg and that it was an encasement that protected you. from these negative entities and especially when you're doing these rituals It was a barrier to protect you from anything negative that could attack you during the ritual. Wow. Okaykay, sorry. I didn't wantan to like take you backwards, but I just that just came in my mind. That was a pretty important concept. I wanted to make sure I understood that correctly. That's kind of crazy. goo ahead. goo ahead. Yeah. to get even further about what these different theories that I ran across that this the containers could be They talk about it being a way that They can study through our DNA these histories and cultural complexities and it being like an emotional and cultural archive as well. So it's like we're And I don't disagree with this aspect of it that we're built like supercomputers. I mean, that's how we're built. But From what I'm gathering from what Bob Lazar said and then a lot of the theories that I'm reading about it is that these entities are trying to get access to our information and they don't know how to get access to it. Now listen And I'm going to get into what I think some of these could be by I don't think that if you look at him as ET or demonic beings or Falling ages, whatever, anything in between that that isn't applicable all the way across the board because None of them seem to be able to get access to us And it seems to be a push to get us to give access to them And they need that from us. because without that, They're not able to get access. So I almost feel like this modern push Yeah Well at least the way that you follow she's moving now and it's moving way more into this very new age veryery occult interdimensional type thing. I mean, they're talking about this in government hearings now. Whistle Burs are coming out saying this you know, if we look at it from this aspect, are they pushing us to willingly give information to whatever these things are because they're going to set it up in a way that it's good for us That's insidious. 's That's what it comes down to. And it makes me think of, you know, what was to say? Eisenhower had that supposed contract with the Greay aliens that he would get some technology from the grays in exchange for them being able to abduct some of us and research us. And you know's what if that's what the Collins ellite were doing this whole time is saying Hey, these things are tricks or demons and that's not really cool that we're giving up American citizens and bodies and you're making deals with the devil. Maybe we should stop this. Now they're dead and gone. and Luel Ezando and all these other folks are like, you know what? L national security really matters. You know, if we want to win this want to win this AI space race. We better make sure we're giving enough you know, sacrifices to the aliens. I could totally see that being a thing, right? Right. And Listen, I think that you and I have enough research when it comes to What's going on in the occulted world? And what a lot of these alchemist and occultists have talked about for literally centuries. to draw enough to be able to say This modern movement is nothing different than what we've already seen in many different books and writings from all of these, and you said earlier, geniuses that you can't discount where You want to say all this dude's mad man. I'm not listening to him Yeah, well, he just created or he discovered the basis for molecules and atoms. You know what I mean? It's just throwing something out there. So they're not idiots They're not stupid. clearly getting this info from somewhere. and you brought up Diana Pasolka's book American Cosmic And in that book They talk about the download And you and I' talked about the download, we did a whole episode about the download in the conffessionals And the idea that these entities are downloading information to us to be able to advance. culture, advanced technology And I believe especially when it comes to this interdimensional alien push, it coincides together And As far as Bob Bazar talking about us being containers You know, one of the other things I found interesting with that is the theory that we Humans or at least aspects of human existence act as gateways or portals for different dimensions of realities, and this is why that some of these entities are trying to get access to us because we do have some sort of connection to something higher. And I want to get into what I think about that too and why these entities might be not happy with us. And this will feed a little bit into your Orthodox Christianity here. So Pal A Five And there's two ways to interpret it, and I'll explain this and I'll explain why it makes sense And it says, and you made him lacking a little from the angels And with glory and honor you crowned him And that's one translation. And the other translation is, yet you made them only a little lower than God and crown them with glory and honor When you look at what God means there, it's Eohim or met Eohim in this case Now Elohim can mean a lot of different things. Elohim can mean one true God in the singular form, depending on what kind of verbs are. denoted with it or what kind of context it's in It can mean gods, little G gos. It could mean these fallen angels, entities, divine beings So depending on the context is what it means. and the reason why I bring this up is I lean more towards that we were created in God's image a little lower than God And we were actually created higher than these angelic beings. Now they may have this Infinite power whatever now. because of this you know, stupidity that we did a long time ago. and I would argue that Adam had far more abilities, you know back then again, back to the alchemist equation that I was talking about earlier. But when you look into first Corinthians six three There's a verse and it makes a lot of sense and maybe what some of these things are. Again, I'm not the type of person to be like. It's all demons. I've had a conversation with you about I'm not that guy because I don't not yet. Right. But yeah, I hear you. But I'm very careful in this space on that because I don't know what all this was. And I also don't think everybody's situation is the same thing. So I don't try to lump everything together. I agree. There's a verse in first Corinthians six three that says, do you not know that we will judge The angels, how much more are the things of this life. So in the end It stated biblically that we will judge the angels. We're considered above them. We were created. They were created in God's image. We were So when you look at it from that aspect There's a jealousy factor with some of these entities. So when you're looking at why they're trying to deceive us, why they're trying to get access to us, why they're trying to subvert us I think There's a good explanation for that in that aspect Now again, that's leaving a lot of gray room for me not understanding everything.