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Today's guest is model, actress, global star, horse rider, mum, wife. It is Amy Jackson Westwick. I love that you put horse rider in. Yeah, I just thought because we talked about it just as we started before we recorded. I thought, yeah, you know what takes one to know one. There you go, girl. Haughty girls. I'm I'm a fully retired horsey girl. But we're just saying maybe I do need to get back into it. Do you percent? Need to get horsey house. But the countryside. Do you little escape? Any particular riding? Like you like what's your style that you I gotta stay on the flat, live. Stay on the flat, not jump flat. Yeah, I'm a bit of a coward. I'm a little bit of a coward when it comes to that. I love being in the saddle, but on the flats we used to show, we had show ponies. Okay. Yes, the little pretty ones that funce about. Yeah. They're like my That's my sister show jumps still. And like I'll watch her get thrown into a fence and then she's like the next weekend she's trying to jump higher. I'm like, no, I I I see I'm a bit too nervous. Yeah, my risk assessment . And you're like, I don't want to like I don't want broken luck bones. Bro broken bones and also when you have kids as well. Oh my god, you're second guess because you're like everything, you're like someone's mum and needs to talk to herself. Like flying as well. I was never a nervous flyer and all of a sudden, boom. So many of my friends that have kids have said that they just suddenly s they start to reevaluate, they look at so many different things that puts yourself in danger, basically. Risk assessment. Then you don't buddy do anything. So it's like get back in there. I want to get into mum life and everything, but before we get started, we have a little segment on the uh on the show. Okay. We leave something at the door, I ask my guests, what are they, what are they over? What's annoying them? What they're sick of, and we just leave it there at the door, not on the list, banned. What is the thing you'd like to leave at the door, Amy? Got a lot I'd like to leave at the door. Responsibilities just for this hour, mainly. But have you seen the new Louis Thoreau Manosphere ? Audible gasp in studio. Red pill manosphere men at the door. They're not even getting through the gate. No, they're not not even getting out of the car. So I'll be quite honest, I haven't I feel like I have seen it because I've seen all the clips and I want to get my teeth into it. I'm just back from the States and I didn't have a minute, but I am gonna watch it. What was your take? How did you feel watching it? Blown away. I didn't realize it was so extreme and so global. Like I didn't have a clue. Do you know your algorithm feeds you the things that are in your mind? Yeah. You know, it's your like kind of mindset. So it feeds you what you want. I did not know they existed. And I'm sorry, like these men, they don't the platform that they're given, they need therapy. I know. They need therapy and a hug from their dads. That's what I worked out. That is what I worked out. It was a lot of contradictory kind of comments going on and just viol I wanted to turn it off. And I thought you know what, no, I'm gonna power through. Will you see what's going on? Yeah, scary, isn't it? Very scary. Very scary. And you've got boys.. That's what I was about to say Mama two boys. So it's like you kind of need to have your finger on the pulse of like what they could consume when they're at that age to have the internet. 100%. And it's not too far away. And you know, I was seeing like news articles on the show and it was about like boys in school not being taught by women and when women teachers would go past they'd bark at them and refuse to talk at them. I was like in what world has this like like come about ? It's terrifying. It feels like I mean it definitely hasn't happened overnight, but it feels like this pendulum sw like swing of this misogyny that's like taken the internet just it it's almost like as women are becoming more empowered than ever and taking up more space, that's when men that obviously feel triggered are trying to push back against it. And I wonder sometimes, do even the men creating this content, do they believe all of what they're saying? Is it just like they know that it it triggers the the right reaction? It's just a business. It's but it's terrifying. That's what I picked up on. And I think they wanted it to be viral and sometimes like there was a guy on there. Don't even want to say his name. Don't even give them the a earlier. So I don't know whether they're just spewing it into all these rage bite. Yeah, lost boys and lost men. And that is that is a problem. Yeah. It is a massive problem, but that is not the way to deal with it. And I think they're kinda they're maximizing on that, you know? 100% . Now, Amy, you are known. You're known for a number of reasons. You're a model, actress. Um, your career, and I was I was like researching this episode, it's so fascinating. Like you must feel like you've lived many lives. I want to kind of get into how you got your break. I mean, you did beauty pageants, and you got scouted at the age of 15. And pretty much off the back of that, you found yourself on a flight to India. Off. Insane. I know. Insane. No, you know what? You know what my mum said as well when we were on the plane over there? Because I took my mum, obviously. I was 15. And she was like, oh, and I was wrapped up in, oh, I'm gonna see India, I'm gonna travel, I'm gonna see the food and the sites and all of that. She was like, I bloody hope you can act. And I was like, because I never really showed an interest in acting or acted uh previously. Oh Liv, I'm sorry, like it was the furthest thing from my mind. I was really quite shy in school as well. And um like drama. I I didn't not that I didn't see the point in it. I just thought it was so far from you know an achievable goal. Right. Do you know, like becoming an actress and living that kind of life? I I just knew nothing about that world and you know, come from a massively working class family. My mum Liverpool. Yeah, grew up in Liverpool. Mum was a horse riding instructor. So we we didn't know that world, you know? But needless to say, yeah, I did a beauty pageant. And I don't know about you, but I feel like because you did the Monster Girls, right? And I feel like if you go in knowing that's gonna give you a bit of a platform, people have a misconception about it, right? Yeah. Off the offset. But I went in and I thought, okay, this is gonna hopefully maybe, you know, I can see the world takes me to America if I get to the final. And that was always something I wanted to do. So I went in with that in mind. And lo and behold, I ended up on the other side of the world. Other side of the world. Yeah. Because you got scouted basically by Bollywood. That's essentially what happened. So you go over to India and you basically start getting cast in films. So when you're out there, did you have to learn the languages? So there's so many oh this is cause I got um in the bad books for this, there's so many different film industries within Indian cinema. Okay. So you'll have Bollywood, you'll have Tollywood, you'll have Collywood, oh yeah.. You're joking I swear . I've never heard any of them before. I know. So the first one that I um auditioned for, they were looking for a British family. Fine. Mainly RP spoken. So this big skouser rolls in, and I'm like, oh my god, I can't even speak English properly. Never mind. Bloody Tamil. Do you know what I mean? Tamil. But the role itself, the role itself, it actually it played into like my favour because it was 1940s kind of setup, period drama. And it was about um a governor's daughter who goes to India for the first time. Okay. So I was like, oh my god, I was just playing myself. Yeah. Just trying to be posh. That was like that was how I was embodying it anyway. Jessica did you just try and drop your scouse accent? Tried. I tried . Do you know the thing is as well? Like my mates back at home will say, Oh my god, who does she think she is? She's so posh now. And then I come down to London and everyone's like, Oh, she's a proper scouter. And you're like, You you wouldn't even understand me if I was speaking properly, Scouts . Big time. But yeah, I did have to refine it because obviously it's a different language and things as well. And they really genuinely couldn't understand the words I was saying. So um I had to get toned down, but for the role as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you're on these movie sets. I mean, these like huge productions I read one of the productions you're in was like an 80 million pound budget or something. Mad that was 2.0 that was later down the line when they knew they trust me and they knew that I wasn't gonna you know, mess it all up. Um I got cast in that film. And it was really it was an international kind of production. Yeah. But Indian producer and director. And we got like the cast from all over the world. So yeah, I mean they're huge . And how long were you out there? Initially. Yeah. You know, I went out there for 30 days and it ended up being 90 days. Didn't return home. And I thought, all right, well, that was great. That was an experience, you know, show the grandkids. I was in this film once and and then it did well. Yeah, it did well. A year later I went back for the premiere and then they were like, do you fancy doing some more? And I was like, do we want to leave school and come and make some money. Yes. And do something that I was like like this new passion. I'd never even thought about it before. And it was. Yeah, it changed changed my life. And also like what was it like for you culturally like landing in India? Like that's a huge culture shift from like living in Liverpool. How did you navigate that? Well, as you say, the cultural differences. You couldn't get further. Further, yeah, further apart. Like food, like the culture, d the way they dress, everything. Everything. So I I mean I'd barely travelled at that point. Um talking deep end. Thrown into the deep end and let's see if she survives. Um, but I barely traveled. I think I've been to like Lanzarote with me dad. Lancerati with my dad. And then my summer holidays were literally on the stable yard with my mum 'cause she had to go to work, so I'd be with her. So this was a shock to the system. But in the best way, and I don't know, I I was a I was much more like we mentioned at the start. I was much more of a go getter back then. You were excited, hungry. It's an opportunity. I was seeing things that I've never seen before. But it was a shock to the even the food, like you say. It was so spicy. I mean my palate, I mean the English palate, right? Northern. Everything is beige. It's sausage rolls, beans on toast. I mean I I 'm a play nando's. Like I'm lemon herb girl, so I don't know how I'd cope. Me too. That is still me. Yeah. That is still me. But spice on everything, even on the pizza, some chili flakes, and I know it's like So you're like, Oh my God, you had to really Yeah Just adapt. Adapt. Yeah. It was all it was all a facade for a while and then it yeah I wouldn't say it it was natural. I felt like you know when people say I had imposter syndrome, it I was the imposter. Like there was no imposter syndrome. I was completely like out of my depth. But we made it work. It was the people as well. I mean, have you been to Indiana? I've never been, but I've always wanted to go, but it's one of those places like you know, you have that limited time off and you think you almost need to have the time to go and travel and see a few different places. But I've never been, but I've heard it's incredible. Incredible, and the people, it's the people, very warm, very family oriented. So that was helpful. Okay, yeah, made it a lot easier. And so, like, how long were you there over a run? So, yes, oh so come sorry, I'm going all over the place. Um so it was supposed to be that 30 days, ended up being 90 days, and then I ended up doing close to close to ten years. Wow. Yeah. Towards like the seventh or eighth year, I kinda came home and then went back and forth. Yeah. And you became seriously famous in India. It's just films. And when did you realize like that fame? When did you kind of like twig to it? Was like was it like your first premiere? When did it kind of like were you like, okay, shit, people know who I am? Well because . that's it That was like, oh my god, they know who I am, which is great because no one has a clue I am over here, which is brilliant. That's not how it's like a whole other universe. It's definitely not true, but like you say, like you when you came back, it must have been a bit like, hold on, fucking now I'm a star, guys. Like, do you know you heard the fucking memo? Now who I am. I'm famous famous in India, by the way. So are you know it's like yeah okay babe yeah all right babe yeah if you say so and it was before kind of like Instagram really kicked off which was good I'm quite glad about that because some of the like the hairstyles I was trying and all of that nonsense I'm glad that wasn't out there on social media. And you know what? I actually enjoyed like I know it's like um so so uh proper, but the craft of the actual work itself, you know, I could get stuck into that. But I realized probably when it it was like I got a call for another film. It was like my fourth or fifth film. And at that point it was kind of back to back. I was like bloody you. Left, right and centre, all bloody parts of the world. Churchin't. Churning them out. Oh my god, I couldn't do it now. I don't know where I got the energy from. But just churning it out. And then I got a call from a director. It was actually my first director, ALVJ, who cast me in Madras Pattenum, the period drama. And he said um Shankar, who was one of the biggest directors over there, he would like you to come down for a meeting and audition for this film. And I was like, Oh, this is huge. Yeah, this is huge. Because at that point I kne Iw knew all their names, I knew it was like the creme de la creme and I was like, okay, this is a big deal. So that was kinda the turning point where I thought, oh, this is actually my career now. And people actually like it. So I'm getting stuck in.. Ye Yeahah. And what was that experience like for you? Oh I mean I was riddled with anxiety. Oh yeah. Yeah riddled with anxiety. But um at that point I'd learned actually I still do it to this day. It's like kind of fake it till you make it kind of thing, right? And I feel like confidence especially. I'm I I didn't have it. I learned to be confident. And as you say you get thrown into the deep end and if you survive, you think, okay, I can do that again. And I kind of just grew like that. I think you you embody that. Like you have a confidence. You have that l that light that like kind of like when you came in here today, you kinda lit up this room and like you say it's like maybe right back at you. No, but I I think I it's interesting to talk about because you might be like me. It it's some it's a learnt skill. Because I've no matter what's going on at home, I know how to turn it on. And I always say this to like my followers because people write to me and go, My God, I if I had confidence like you, I'm like, girl, ten out of ten, I'm just faking it. Most days, like I might hate my hair, my hair, my makeup, but like I will just be showing people a different side of what's actually happening. You can turn it on. And then and also the more you pretend you feel confident, then you kinda trick your brain into like you do feel confident. And then pretend. Yeah. Do you have any tips for anyone listening that might feel like they are struggling with kind of entering a room and you know, take up a bit of space. Yeah, you know, I think you said it so perfectly. You've just gotta throw yourself into the deep ends. Like even even the the smallest things, like you say, if there's something going on at home, or just generally, you know, you just don't feel 100% yourself. And I'm a big overthinker. So I will think myself out of things. But I know it's what I want to do. So I kind of had to say, right, let's go. Throw yourself into it. It's a performance. And then it does come naturally. It does gradually get to that point. Um, I was on a photo shoot the other day, and actually I got some really good tips, and it sounds so simple, but I don't think I breathe. Like I really Wait, no, this is actually mental. Amy No I Amy, I spoke to my therapist about this. Sometimes I swear I've held my breath for like four hours. Please do? And I'm like I'm like coming out the other end. And he was like, he was really . I've never heard anyone else say that. Alright, so I was on a shoot the other day, I was in Paris, Parisian photographer, and they have this natural like, you know, sass. Yeah. Yeah. And they're quite, you know, mysterious at the same time. So I was trying to navigate it. And he could tell I was a bit nervous. And we were on set and he was getting really spiritual. And he was like, breathe and I was like what I was like I'm breathing he was like no breathe really breathe like take the deep breaths and he said about 20 30 seconds later he said your whole demeanor is changed, your face has changed, you've relaxed, like everything has dropped. And I was like, I genuinely think I was suffocated. And I didn't know. Yeah, I didn't know. And it's just coming out. Yeah. So athe. bre Breathe. Yeah,. that's a really good thing Take your breaths and kind of center it back. That comes back to India as well. Not that I practiced it much over there, but like their breathing techniques and yoga just kind of getting in your breath. They're very like in touch with themselves. Yeah. I'm very in my own head. What's the best case scenario? And I was like, oh. I was like, oh. I was like, well, I don't think about that. And he's like, well, have you ever considered baby shit? I was like, I would never sit and think, like, which is so bad, isn't it? Like it really is. I would never sit and think, okay, so I'm gonna go on this job and I could these are all the wonderful things that happen. I think okay, I could get there, I could forget my lines, could screw this up, I could the plane could be late. Like I, you know, you have to actually stop and remind yourself to think, okay, what would happen if everything went right? 100%. So we don't like you' mirreroring me right now I feel exactly the same I feel very sane when you said about the um the the breathing I was like that's me take a breath Hi dolls as you can probably guess, I'm a little particular about my intimates. I can't wear anything but a thong, can't bear a full pan, and I'm very fussy about my bras. But thank goodness for skims. Like you guys that follow me on Instagram know I'm obsessed with everything skim s. I've been wearing and shopping skims since they launched and recently I got into the Fits Everybody collection. It just molds onto your body. 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So you obviously like you you kind of like you marked your territory out there, you was well known, you was respected, but you did have a hard time. And you be being English, you like you felt like sometimes I've read some of the the interviews you've done, you felt a little bit like you were tested a little bit more than the other girl. Keep going! You're doing it! That's the sound of Sam learning to swim in a Hilton Resort pool. Oh, that's delicious. Mmm. And that's the sound of Sam and his family enjoying dinner in the hotel restaurant. Good evening. Welcome back. With stays in your favourite destinations and everything taken care of, you can savour what's important. When you want your holiday to feel like a holiday, it matters where you stay. Booknow at Hilton.com. Hilton for the stay. Just sort of like made to wait around. Was that more in the beginning? Men and women. That was a big difference . Yeah. The men would turn up when they wanted. I think it's a male actor thing. Because they don't need all the glam. I think I think they turn up well uh not all of them. Some of them were very uh dedicated and and very professional, but um it was kinda like a hierarchy and you know the more films you did or the established you were respect you got you know. Did you have a house in Mumbai? I did. Do you still have it? I no, I don't. I need I needed that to get somewhere over here. Yeah, it was like my little bachelorette pad. That's mad. And it was it was like a time of my life and you know what when you're in it you don't fully appreciate like the life it was like I was free single back to back with films and I was like I could really do a break. Oh I, wanna go h ome and you know? But at the time, it was just it was just another way of living. And it was like very early on, I got my financial independence, and that was a big deal for me. I always wanted that. You know, I never felt like I was at a lack with my parents. They gave me everything. But, you know, you get to a point and you go, okay, I need to kind of return the favor and I need to if I want these things and I want this bigger life, then you better get to work, girl. Yeah. So that was my mentality, and I was adamant I was gonna do it. That's amazing. When you returned to the UK and you kind of made that decision to come back fully, was that a bit of an adjustment in itself? I think it came at the right time personally. It's so difficult. And you'll probably know as well. You know, trying to crack on with the relationship as well when you're traveling left, right, and centre. Never mind long distance when you're away for like months and months on end. I mean, it's a real effort. You gotta make it work and you put the effort in. And it's stacked against you. It really is. Like it's it's so difficult. And especially if they're not in the same industry as you and they don't get it and they're like, Okay, well you say you want these things, how are you gonna be able to do those things? And also, you know, uh when you're separated for that amount of time. It's tough. It's tough. It really is tough. So I was like, right, I'm gonna have a little break and I'm gonna do personal life. And I was ready to build a family at that point as well. So I took a break and then went back and forth and tried to make that work. But yeah, it was more on a personal front. I wanted to come back. Yeah. A bit more a a a life. Yeah, a bit more of a life, exactly. But yeah, the adjustment was definitely um a big one. I mean, you had like people organizing your schedules, this is what you're wearing today, got your food ready. I mean, I couldn't even put my own buddy pants on, do you know, they come in the trailer and they' likere getting you dressed and they're hooking you up with the sound. And I'm like, where is everything? Like I've got to organise everything myself. So that was, it was like I was like a newborn baby. Yeah, but almost like starting back, like okay, but I'm on on my my own two feet here. Yeah. You have your son Andreas. Yes. Who's five. And he's from six? He's from a previous relationship. Yes. So he's your f your first baby. And did you have was that relationship in that baby? That was when you came back from India. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. And then you've also got Oscar, who's maybe two? One. One close. But I was gonna over. Someone who doesn't have kids, it's fine. How have you had a baby a year ago? Are you joking? Oh sucking it all in. I say that my sister's like and she's a school teacher as well. She like I think he's like seven or eight and he's like four . When she sees kids, I'm like, that's close enough. That's close enough. Honestly, if someone showed me like a six month old baby, I would blue. I would be like, is yeah, is he ready for school? Does he not like like I should could he could we give him a biscuit? They're like a six weeks old crap a biscuit it's so true I didn't as well about babies though before I had them before you had them how did you how how was motherhood for you that adjustment did you was an instant like do you know some people like ducks the water. It's interesting now because so many of my friends having babies all at very like all around the last like two, three years. Some of them, and they won't mind me saying, it's like they just never not that it's just like a duck to water. Other people's it's a little bit more of an adjustment. How did you find it ? I I mean even going back like years and years before, I knew I always wanted a family. I knew I always wanted that. Not quite not because it was like from a sense of um lack or not having like a family unit because I did got a great mom, great dad, great sister, but all very individual relationships. You know, parents were divorced, my sister's a lot older than me, but great individu ally so i always i wanted that i wanted that unit and yeah i was ready to have andreas but i i would say one of the biggest like shocks to the system it's the freedom it's like and especially if you're jumping on a plane left right and center and you're like I mean you can't even go to the shops you can't even get a shower you got you can't even get a shower without them needing you and like so that that's the having to think before you pull the trick on anything and you have to account for this humor that needs you to survive. And I uh yeah, and I'm like, sometimes I'm still like, oh I've got two kids, I still feel like a child myself, you know? Yeah. Um but it did come naturally in that sense it it's funny it feels like the only thing I am not good at but it does come naturally you know like I have to work like it with the acting that didn't come like easily and and learning that and still even to this day I'm still like trying to train and um you know the modeling and all it was kind of like I was I was learning my way there and and still feel like I am but like with the boys I feel like alright, like I know what to do. Maybe not in my own life, but I can handle yours very well. That's really lovely. Yeah. Ed Ed Westwick is your husband. If you don't know Ed Westwick, he's been in many films, but he's he's known probably best for Gossip Girl and playing the famous Chuck Bass. How did you guys meet? We met on a car rally. Yes. And it was the le don't want to fool you again. Exactly. Exactly. And I come and it's at like a silver stone race course. Okay. And I'm dressed ready to race because I'm quite competitive. So I was like, it was me and like, I think it was 12, 13 other other guys. And I was like, I'm gonna win this. Was it like a charity thing? Like, what were you doing? No, it was um Aston Martin. Oh, so it was like with a brand. Yeah, with a brand. Do some content. Okay. Yeah, it wasn't me like, you know, our Saturday morning, let's get on the racetrack. Yeah, sorry, I didn't explain that very well. Sorry, imagine. Just me a little hope. Yeah. So we were racing cars, and he was actually with a friend, a mutual friend who I knew. So me and him were chatting. He comes over and we're talking. At that point, I was a year out of um the relationship with my son's father. Okay . And I was kinda just about ready. I was like Am I gonna put my toe back in? Yeah, I mean, I had a few dates prior and I was like, oh, this is no. I was like, you know what? This is it's cemented. I'm I'm never gonna be with a man for the rest of my life. And does dating change post separation when you've got a child? Because you're probably looking at men but through very different eyes, like it's not just you that it affects. Do you know what? And that was the main criteria . Obviously there was, you know, you when you I wouldn't say it's failed relationships, but you know, you go through your twenties and you have these relationships and you learn more so what you don't want as well. And you know, I grew a lot, you know, I did the work on myself. It it wasn't a a one-way street when it comes to, you know, the set the uh relationships failing or or separating. So I knew what I wanted, I knew what I didn't want. Yeah, but having Andreas in the picture that was a whole different ballgame and you know I did go on a few dates prior to meeting Ed and I thought I could never ever introduce you to my son. I was like, you are a man child. I was like, do you know I even dated older as well? I did try and I thought you were not. I think if they're immature, they're immature. They're immature, they are like lifelong immature. And also I read somewhere it's terrifying. Apparently a man's frontal lobe doesn't fully develop till he's 40 . I don't know if I'm Stephen Bartletting this with a m with a medical statement, but that yeah, I read that somewhere. Well he's probably part of that as well . I read that These men are running around with the like the mental age of like a 15 year old we're trying to get them to settle down and they have yeah no intentions they're just they don't have the capacity for it yeah what was it about Ed that that what stood out to you that was different because you said in previously that you felt like you was a bit of a narcissist magnet. Me oh God, me twenties. Yeah. What did it say about you that attracted them kind of guys? Well that's the thing. I can't blame them. You were viously it was me as well. I probably fancied them, and that's a real toxic trait. So I think again, it's the kind of industry, it's the kind of places I was going, it's the company I was keeping, and I think they liked the idea of me but when they got to know me and no on a serious level I think, you know I, I have, am opinionated and I have a wild side that I will not tame, but I will channel it for the right person. But if that person is going head to head with me, and it doesn't happen instantly, right? No, you know, you warm up, you don't see those narcissistic traits, and once you're in, it's like, oh, all right, they're the red flags, but let me tell you, I was dodging those red flags . They were like just waving on past me. So it's I can't put blame on all of them. It was me as well, but I got to the point where I was like, all right, it's just the compatibility, right? Yeah. We were two very different people . That goes for a lot of a lot of the relationships I was in before I had. Yeah. Just different personalities. It was a real clash. And he stood out to me because he is the opposite. It's so funny because when you mention like his the role , he couldn't be further from that character. That's so I mean thank god. Thank God. Oh my god. I know a few of them, but he is the complete opposite. And um I think number one, I was very open from the get-go, as you said, like with Andreas . He was my main priority. Of course, I wanted, you know, to be in love and have a great relationship, but that had to go hand in hand with having my son. Yeah. And then also, which was like a breath of fresh air, not instantly, but like the communication. I'd never been with someone that you could actually talk to. Like I lost the ability of having like open, frank conversations and like talking about like feelings and like he's a proper cancer so he loves to so he kind of drew it back out of you. That's really special. Yeah he got it back out. It took a while though. Do you think it's because he's an actor and he's like in the arts and he's like slightly more connected to himself like emotionally maybe? Do you think a point? Might be like a little bit more you know if you have a guy that I don't know, maybe does something that's slightly more of like a toxic environment. They shut off that. Yeah, maybe because he has to draw on his own I don't know emotions. Yeah. I think definitely. I think that why that's why he yeah I think he's gone into that profession. I also think he's got a really nice relationship or had a really good relationship with his mum. Yeah. She was fantastic and like they had a amazing bond, but they also have an older brother and he is their step brother, so that was very normal as well in his upbringing and he see you know So he wasn't phased by the fact you had a son. Completely unfazed. It's all green flags. And then you got proposed to in Switzerland on a bridge, Gorge. Yeah, gorge. Were you expecting it ? I haven't told him this. So So we were in the car, we did the school picku p and me and Andreas were in the back. He's like, Mummy, get in the back with thee Mummy, get in the back of me. So yeah, of course I do. Pick him up and we're in the back. Yeah. And obviously at the front, like your messages pop up, right? And the not necessarily the entire message, but Michael Diamond dealer popped up . And I was like, were you like uh uh uh and then I saw his face, he looked at me like in the back mirror and I was like, you know, do you want some birds? Johnson juice, babe you know. I was like, yeah, what's that at the window? So that's funny. It was kind of that. So if you hadn't been posed to in a kind of close proximity, you'd been like, who the fuck's getting a diamond? A hundred percent. Who the fuck is this diamond? It would have been um what's the film love actually? And you're like, where is my diamond bracelet? So you thought it might be on the cards. Thought it might be on the cards. Um and then, you know, a few months pass and I thought, all right. And then you're living like day to day, and you're like , constantly get me nails done in the nails salon just ready whenever the question gets down on that knee, I was like, okay, they've got to be done. Um and then we did it actually like you say in Switzerland. It was for my birthday. And I didn't know exactly when or how. So it was a lovely it was a lovely surprise. It's like I mean it's getting engaged to you I think it's like a ten out of ten experience. How did you get proposed to? In can I just say it's before you judge me? I would never. I feel like we were one of the very first couples on my Instagram to do Dubai on the Beach. Now, if someone did Dubai on the Beach, I would say no. Cause it's just if I see one more Berjallab engagement, I'll vomit. No offense to anyone's engagement. But when we did it, I fanseta. Thank you. So I feel like it was early enough that like I it wasn't like it didn't yeah, I loved it. And I didn't and it was a bit like the same. I was like I kind of thought it was coming but I didn't think it was gonna be that day. Yes. But it is oh god, get engaged is great. I always say this and you get told how amazing you are, you get a diamond ring, it's what's not to like. It's a win-win play out. Do you know why? And this is when as well I thought you were absolutely brilliant. This is when I came across you as well. Liv. Oh you're gonna say it was the wedding Was it a see it was a series, right? I saw it on TikTok and it was so funny and at that point I think I just got engaged and I saw the TikTok and I was like oh my god here was this girl she's hysterical it was one with your mum in and you were like and she had a little cough and you like you better I sound psychotic was very like yes no on decisions and like when I was doing my wedding photos my mum was like you better calm down because you've literally just nearly fine you're gonna off the stage because I was like, right, next, next! It is a lot though, isn't it? How did you find it? You know, we had the civil and then we had the big wedding. Yeah. And I um don't get me wrong, the big wedding was I know what you're gonna say. Was the civil more special? Yeah., I know I don't like saying that because it's a very important peaceful and you were like probably a little bit more present. Massively and it was just I didn't not that it was a performance, but when you've got so many people, you want to make surere they' having a good time. And you're the bride, so everyone wants to speak to you. Everyone. Everyone. So then you have doing the whole room. Yeah, it's it's quite did you that night when I got into bed, I actually felt like I've done a marathon. 100%. I was my body was like in uproar and it we did three days Jesus three days of that so amazing point of the first day I was like don't drink because you're gonna ruin it you 're gonna ruin the wedding day, and I was like, okay, well, we'll ease into it, and then everyone else is drunk around you. You won't be having a good time. You're like, no, remember what you're doing, you're getting married tomorrow, be on point. So yeah, I did really I enjoyed both, they were both beautiful. Um, but the said civil, like you, um we did it in Italy. Gorgeous. Yeah, it was lovely, good food, good weather, hot weather. Gorgeous. Hot, hot. Yeah, hot hot. Like sweating your tits off in your dress. Yeah, and it it was I felt a little bit bad for the guest 'cause you get married outside. Married outside. I was like, you know, you had the whole thing Everyone's like just dripping in sweat. No, literally and I think there were a few complaints and I was like Oh, but I left fans out there for you. But the pictures were banging. So that that''ss all all that matters, right? And Ed was on location filming around the wedding, is that correct? So he literally flew in, flew out. Is that I didn't have a fiance for the half of it. We had we had a really short engagement as well. We did it in January. And then we wanted to do it at that summer. And of course, it was really quick. So we were like, right, let's make decisions, let's get it going. And then he booked a job literally the day we were viewing wedding um yeah wedding destinations and he was like well I'm gone now and I was like Right Right Okay. But maybe it was a good thing. We didn't sick of each other. We got to do the wedding you probably got to make all the decisions. All the decisions You're like, yeah, that'll do. We'll have twenty thousand of them. Exactly. And he was like, what are you up to? No, so it was he wouldn't meet me in Italy because he was filming around the corner basically. Yeah, I think it was like an hour flight. So we would meet me there and it's quite, you know, romantic. And then he had to fly back and he didn't go under honeymoon. Didn't no that's a touchy subject. Sorry. When did you realize you wouldn't be able to do the honeymoon because of his job? So he got another job booked after that. Jesus. Yeah. But you want him to be busy, but you're like, I gotta pay for this wedding, so you know what? Those acting jobs are few and far between. I was like, take it, don't worry. Um, but we booked Kenya , and like that was our honeymoon. Yeah, it's not cancelled, it's just postponed. Okay, but now we've got two kids, and then I found out I was pregnant like a few weeks after that. So I was like, okay. Yeah, this is postponed for the foreseeable. Okay. Yeah, but I'm gonna remind him when I get back now. Thank you for that. So Kenya, Kenya is still pending. Yeah. How do you find being married to an actor? I mean you, are an actor, so you you like that probably puts you at an advantage to understand. Like, what's it what's it like? What's the reality of it like, really like? Do you know what I always said, you know, because you work with actors, and they were great, but I was glad to see the back of them after the film and it's because it's a very consuming industry, right? And I've never acted with Ed, so maybe that's a good thing. Yeah. You know, it's not put me off. But he's very he's just very chill. And then when he's in actor mode, he goes into that mode. So I've not kind of it's not it's not kinda, you know, infiltrated the relationship. But I like it. I just say he',s very emotional. He's in touch with his emotions, which I find like it's refreshing. Yeah. Yeah. So, and also I think now that we are, you know, married and he goes away, I go away. Having that understanding, Liv, I think that's huge. I didn't know how difficult it was for like the other person in the relationship, but it's also so difficult for me because you're leaving. And then they don't get it. So then the games kind of start, right? Yeah. And you're like, well, you're aware, you're gallivanting, you're having a good time. And you're like homeworking. Working like 18 hours a day. Stuck in a trailer, like yeah, I'm not out partying. Exactly. So I think having that understanding is really key to making our relationship work anyway. This is the immature question, but I have to ask I always wanted to ask an actor's wife. Do you ever get jealous? Madly. Oh my god, I love it. I can't. No, I'm sorry. I can't pretend I'm not. I'm gonna be over the wall. I have Oh my gosh. I uh like I I I've I with age I've mellowed a little bit. Okay . But no, i it i it I'm just you know, I'm a jealous cow. Go kiss my husband, even though it's a fucking job. Oh my god, the amount of times I have to just quickly scroll past TikTok because these bloody gossip girl things keep coming up. And you know what? I do actually love their relationship. I do. Like, if I wasn't married to them, I wouldn't find it so um annoying. Uh oh my god, Amy, I'm obsessed with you. That is so funny. I was wondering, is she gonna give me the PR answer of like, oh it's just you know, of course not, it's a job . Okay, so were you actually a fan of Gossip Girl before you met Ed? So I was, I was working at the time it kind of released. Right. I was working a lot in India. I didn't come on your radar as much on my radar and all of us. Didn't really have the time to sit there and binge watch. Which I did wish wish I did but I must admit it was actually and this is gonna sound really soppy now but it was when he was away when I was uh pregnant and I was like I really miss him I'm gonna put something on the telly . And I watched it and I was like, I don't think I can do this. I was like, I was like, Why are you hormones and raging any change? And I was like, he'd call me and I'd be instantly in a bad mood. And I was like, you know what? Literally, literally. So I was like, you know, it's not a good move. I appreciate it for what it is though. And yeah, I mean he he still gets people coming up to him now. It's uh it's beautiful. It's yeah, it's a it's a proper like world, isn't it? I mean, and I that show's just like survived every era of like I mean even like you like it, don't you? Like 23. Do you know what I mean? Like it's like every generation is like re-consuming that series and they like fall in love with it. It's true. 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What kind of what made you want to start? Ah, Scoza. Chatting. Chatting. Chatting. Chatting over a good cup of tea, proper northern as well. Love a good cup of te a. And uh you know what? Also, I I love a good chat. And then the people I've had on are people that you know I love or I know and and they're like And it's fun and it's very different to being told you have to be this person today. It's just you being Amy. Yeah, it's just you being you, which I finally have like you know, settled into that, you know, just being me, which is nice. And also on a practical side, if I'm being honest, having the kids and like you know, running the house and and working from home primarily, that was a big moss because you can't jet off at the minute for me, like thirty , forty days away. It doesn't it just won't work for me. And like you say, you you wanna probably have your own identity, have your career, that you're you're a hustler, like you've always worked. Like you say, that then means you can do something that fits around your life. Exactly. You walked the Paris L'Oreal fashion show, didn't you? It was what was was that the first time you bought it? First time. And what was you've got the likes of like Eva Longoria , Kendall Jenner, like Molly May. That was Molly. Molly, who nearly did make it on the catwalk, but she did. She did. I'm so proud of her. And you know what? She owns it. Yeah. She really didn't. When she got down there, she was like , This is me. To be fair, people give her such a hard time, but it's like if you got as much shit as she did, you'd probably overthink it as well. Do you know what I mean? Because she's so much in the public eye, you know, she's yeah it's only natural, even me like when I see like certain comments and things on social media it knocks you and then you you it's in the back of your mind. But I think what she does is amazing and she really like stands firm in who she is, which I have full respect for. So yeah, she got down there. The only thing with me, I was towards the wrong I loved it, but I wish I could have gone again. You wanted get the nerves off. Yeah. Yeah, but that's like life, isn't it? Can I just have one retake? I can do it best. Now I've done it and I know I'm not gonna fall. And I had this um I was wearing this suit and and it was like leggings in with like really like killer heels like this, but they were all as one and I think the shoes arec plasti inside. So I was like in they were inside almost like a catsuit. Exactly. So it's at the very end. So I'm freezing because it was really cold. But could you not go your anxiety? So like my palms are sweaty, my feet are sweaty. And I get on the stage and go, oh my god, my feet are gonna fall out my shoes. And I can't put them back in. So I was like, I'm gonna slip everywhere. So I wasn't like giving it that full force. You're almost scared if you overcommit, you could lose your shoe and go off the tip. Oh my god. So it was half in, half out. Oh my god. And once I knew they were attached, I was like, all right, I'll go again, one more. You know? But it was great. It was such a and the L'Oreal girls are amazing. Do you is your son aware of you and like what you do? How much does he sort of like understand at five? What can they do at five? Can they can they walk? You know what? He's very five year old understands. He's he understands a lot , that's the problem. Okay. Yeah. So you're always trying to trying to shield him a little bit from just in general, like his emotional intelligence. I was never like that when I was growing up. No. And like if an adult said to me, the sky is neon pink, I would be like, Mm-hmm. But he questions everything, he you know, wants to know the ins and outs of things, which I love. Yeah. It's hard graft as a parent, but you know, for the outside world, that's good. Yeah, but he's inquisitive and he's smart. Yeah. But you're like almost like slow slow your horses. So like people will come up to Ed's to take selfies and things. And he's like, Mummy, you're not that famous. Ed get Ed gets way more selfies than you and I'm like, thanks, babe. I'm like maybe that's a good thing That's so funny. So he's aware of things and you know I will tell him going to do the show and he wants you know what he really wants to come and and be a part of it. Obviously he's in school now, so it's tricky. But um we were showing him the video and things, but he's been on set before and he wants to get involved. He's yeah, he's That's cool. Yeah, I mean a little sidekick. I mean he probably is how cool going to school and being like my mum does this, does that, like come on. I don't whether he fully understands it. But when he's older, he'll probably be like so impressed by you and inspired by you. Or not like got the ick and he's like ticky tocky is he like when he's got a such an amazing power. How when he's got a mum that's like an absolute boss bitch. Oh that will not happen. The Tiki Tocky managed to be a no the Tiki to Tiki Tockie. That was his name. That is . I'm like, it's trying to be this anyway. Don't even get me started on him. Something tiki-talkie. I was like, come on, mate. I was like, even off the back from what was that? Ridiculous. No. So just before we start a recording , I'm gonna try and re-have this conversation. We both love a handbag. Yes, we do. We both love the MS game. We both got done coming off the Euro staff . I thought it was just me. I wasn't gonna tell anybody that because everyone's like I actually felt better. That I'm not the only one that was that stupid. We're in it together, and you know what? I felt sick to my stomach. So I feel like you're getting a bit of a bargain. Yeah. Right? And of course, you know, it's all follow the law. But can I just say I'm gonna go, I'll go on a live and say this. Right. And the the guy at Customers was like not having me at all. He was raging. And I understand it is your personal responsibility to educate yourself or a role. But when you're in Paris and you've got your Amex out, they're throwing stuff at you going, you can get all the tax back, and they use that as part of their so you start going things. The sales? Yeah, I'm gonna get my tax back. You don't, and then when you obviously, because we're not in you know you EU anymore, when come back, you're meant to declare and then so I don't under so then what what I I saw's other science they say what's the point of him in claim it back because no point. It's just a bit of a like Ponzi scheme. It does. I was like more out of pocket. I was fuming, I was late as well for school, and I was like, oh, don't have the police off the EuroStar. Battery had died. No. And they're going through all your bits and pieces. Your pants and your makeup bags. Are we not the same person? I've never met anyone else. Every song was like unrolled. I was. Me too? Can I say this? I've never said this to anyone. I was after a while, it went on for so long, and I started to feel so like ashamed just like going through toiletries. And I was like, what do you think ? I've got in this bag. Like, seriously. I was like, I'm off the telling. I'm off . You gotta use it when you need to use it. What do you think I'm doing? Smuggling like a gram of heroin through like j what you with a revolver in there? Like what do you actually think? I was like, I guess I've got a handbag. I didn't like, you know, declare it. But like can I just go home now? Like this is. I'm off the telly. You know what? Because I'm trying to be like as if I was as if I'm gonna do anything illegal. Like what w where would that get me? But yeah, he just looked at me and was like , okay. Um what's the last handbag you bought? Oh, it was that time in Paris. Shri And I was like, I'm gonna treat myself. And I was like, right, at make the appointments. Yeah. I was like, right, yeah. So don't worry, I'll treat myself this time. Yeah. And he was like, All right, do you need me to come? I was like, Well, just come for the ride, you know. Um and yeah, let's see, let's see what happens. Bought a beautiful 30-inch um birkin and it's called a colour. I should really know what I'm I'm talking about. It's got a zip on it. Is it the cargo? No, I I wanted the cargo and I was like, you know, I want something special. I used like, you know, it's our first year of marriage card and this, that and the other. I was like, anything special? Is it like a zip on like an angle? It's it's it's no it's straight it's it's straight and it the zip is is just across his lab about this big. But he said I haven't got the cargo, but this is something a little bit different. And I was like, sold. Done. Let's get it. Pop it in. Pop it in the boot. Let's go. Yeah. Put the table. How funny? That's what I asked for when I was in Paris. Cargo. We've got it one day, babe. I know one day. We'll manifest this. One day. I have to say I've got a friend that works for Ermes, and he's like, Liv when, you get on your TikToks, you've he's like, You say the colour wrong, you say the leather wrong. I'm like, for someone that loves the bag, actually, I'm quite uneducated. I'm like, this got a little zip in the corner. I think people always think people will talk to me about bags on Matt and they'll go, I've got a and they'll I'll go, oh that sounds like I have no idea what what you're talking about. Well I always panic when I go in there as well. And I ask you and I ask my girls who are like like fully fledged. Oh they know it and I'm like, what do I say? And what leather do I want? And they're like giving it and I'm like, and I just don't remember any of it. And they know and they're quite, you know, okay, let me show you instead. I'm like, that'll be best. Yeah. I need the leather that's m stands up to more 'cause I'm I look after the bags, but I have to use them. I don't want anything I have to be too precious over. Anything on the wish list right now? Cargo. Cargo, babe. No, cargo. And a mini Kelly. Guys, we'll have to put a picture of the cargo on the screen because otherwise people are gonna be like 100% what is this cargo then going on? It sounds awful. It's really cute. It's really gorgeous. And and a little mini Kelly I would love. Yes. I'd I've got one in like a really bright green colour and I absolutely love it. It was the first mini Kelly I've got offered and I adore it. But the only thing with a really bright coloured bag, there's only so many times you can because I've always been like, oh here she comes with that bastard green bag. Yeah the back one she can just use it every day. See your dark colour if my essay is listening and I know he does. Um obviously um you do dilemma's advice on the pod. So I thought I'd get the Huns to write in, do a couple of questions for you, and we can give them together some of their advice tackling some stuff. So , oh god, this is like one of my biggest orcs now that I'm single. My boyfriend follows loads of girls, but he says it doesn't mean anything. Is there anything I could, can, or should do I saw a thing the other day says the biggest ick is a man's following looking like he runs a nail shop. Oh, that's so true though. That is an ick. But it is, isn't it? Got a whole list of them one after another, and it's like in their pictures as well. I know it sounds so, you know, blasé, just a little like, but there's something in that. You've got to take the time out. I don't look at the picture. How immature it sounds. If you're in a relationship, it's disrespectful. I massively agree with that . I I mean, I'm not gonna lie, I unfollowed all of my exes lists. I was like, let me go through and I'm unfollowing. And I suppose that's my toxic trait because they're just gonna make a fake account, aren't they? But that's that's probably what they did do, but I don't like it and uh my my kinda outlook on it, if if they wouldn't like it done to them, don't do it to me. Very true. Very, very true. Uh how to distance yourself from a 30-year friendship that you feel like you've outgrown, but they want to keep. Oh, friendships are hard. It's like a breakup, it's as hard as that because especially on you know a friendship level. God, I think sometimes friendship breakdowns can hurt as much as if not more. If not more, because they really know you and they've been through all the different versions of you, but I suppose not everyone grows with you, right? And you do grow, and I suppose in your 20s you're exploring and you have different like hobbies and you have different like takes on life. And I suppose it just the distance is there, but I don't think it needs a big , you know, message or or like any confrontation. I just think the outreach kinda just kinda lessens maybe a little bit. Yeah, and you always be there for one another. And you know you've always got that person. What life happens, right? So true. I'm in a long distance situation ship. I'm in Ireland and he's in Spain. Do I continue it or end it ? Well, I think if you're in a situation ship, you know, what are you? You're neither there or here. I think especially. And honestly, uh, I'm speaking from a place of experience when it comes to long distance relationships. If there's any confusion, if there's any doubt that is just amplified by distance, you've got a really heavy boundary. To have distance like that. Yeah. Situationships I think are fine until they take up like negative headspace. And then it's like, well, what's it even for? Because I, if I think of a situation ship, it's like you're neither here nor there. But as long as you're both neither here nor there, if one person wants more or thinks it's more, that's when it gets the problem. That's when it gets more. What normally one person does always think it's more or want it to be more. And the other person's keeping it in a box. My best friend, who's female, thinks Andrew Tate is really cool. Oh what ? I don't I don't want to this is real. No, I can't want to start a scene as well. I just think this is really weird. What should I do? Do you know what? I was w I'm not gonna say a name. Okay. But I had a hairdresser and she was colouring my hair and we were, you know, there for three or four hours. I was like, so who are you dating? Like, what's going on? She was like, I don't know what the brothers called. Oh, um Tristan. Tristan. She was like, I've been speaking to him and I might be and I was like what ? And I was like potentially even worse than the main one. No, I was like, I was like, I would not be openly saying that. But I just I do not I mean, number one, I don't understand the attraction whatsoever. But in what world would you wanna be? Some women are really drawn to misogynistic men. And I always wonder if it's maybe what they saw growing up, that they're kind of accustomed to it, or maybe I don't know, maybe they they look they look at the person and they look they attracted to them as they look at everything else through rose tinted glasses, but I mean that's a fucking road to nowhere. That is that's proper rogue. That's rogue to nowhere. Yeah. I think if you are, if you're a little bit unsure about yourself or a little bit lost as well, or you don't really know what you want. W youhen have those men who claim that and that was one of the comments on that manosphere, women don't really know what they want. And I was like, excuse what? Like that what is that comment? But I think if you are a little bit unsure , they's like they they know they target those kind of women. Saying that no, she fancies him, isn't it? She's fancying Andrew Tay, the friend. The friend thinks he's cool. Cool. Oh, I mean what I mean where ? But do you know what I thought interesting about those men and like the comments that was made on that documentary about the women don't know what they want and stuff? There isn't a s there isn't a successful man I know in my life who doesn't credit a lot of its success to the female in his life. Do you know what I mean? Like my dad, like you know, he would have achieved a lot about my mum, but he'd done it looking like shit and probably with two left shoes on. And like, do you know what I mean? Like this. He's always the one. All the men I've had in my life, it's like, you know, God, as soon as I'm away for a week, all just fall apart. Fall apart. It's that emotional stability, isn't it? Yeah, it's like, and it's not like, and I'm not talking about because I've never been one of these that's like you know slaving away over a dinner or anything. I'm just I'm not as a domestic goddess, but I'm like the structure of our lives comes from me. I'm the foundation. It's like so many women I know create the foundation, they they rely on us more than we rely on them. I actually think generalizing massively here, we are more resilient as a species. Like then, I mean, look what women have to overcome from like, you know, periods to childbirth to menopause. Like it's we're just having things thrown at us since the day we're born and we kind of right and center and making it work. I agree. And this is pretty steady, but the moment something happens , go to bits. Go to bits. They need us, girl. I don't want it. I don't want us to win. I don't . Before I let you go, I always do this. I always take a referral from my guest. Who do you think I should interview? Who should be in the hot seat next? Alright, so I sa youw had Chris on. Chris Appleton. Love Chris. Now you've gotta double whammy that. You've gotta have Nikki makeup. You've gotta have Nikki. Oh that's a good one! That's a good one, guys. They are I got my glam done by the pair of them and I was like, oh my god, who is that? Is it unreal? I was unrecognizable. It was amazing. So I would say Nikki Wolf. Okay, that's at Nikki Makeup on Instagram sheet. An email is being sent as we speak. Send it immediately. They are some stories as well. She's a magician. Okay, amazing. And who should we ban? Who's on the blacklist? Well, we know. Tiki Tockie. Tiki Tockie. Tiki Tockie is on that blacklist. They're all on the although I do think it'd be quite funny to have Tiki Tockie here with I've got by the way, if you're listening to this, I've got like ten women in that gallery of women. It's quite interesting to see how he did with all these girls just staring at him. Oh exactly. We might just might just crumble a little bit. But yeah, for now, definitely bad. Uh Amy, do you know what? I have all been a fan of you a long time and you like I said, I mean what I said earlier. When you came in, you've got that energy that lights up a room, but it's not like forced, not like conceited, you're just very warm, you're funny. Thank you for being so candid. Thank you for coming on. Amazing. Thank you for having me. That was absolutely I know they've loved it because they're all grinning for me. I loved it. Thank you very much. Amy everybody. Woo