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We have got Essex Royalty, Pop Culture Royalty, Podcast Royalty. It's Joe Baggs! Thank you so much. What a nice introduction. Did you write that? I mean, I had something to do with it. We we we was like, what should we say? Podcast podcaster. I was like, no, it's more than that, it's podcast royalty. Thank you. Um, you you burst onto our screens via Google Box. Yes. And we're gonna unpack all of that. But before we do it, we have a little segment on the show at the house. We'd like to leave something at the door. Do you understand the format of this? Do you understand you're just leaving something? Something you don't like, it can be a person can be a thing can be a trend cool what do you want to leave at the door tell me dad talk dad talk I want to leave dad talk at the door okay I actually want to boot them out the door I would like to boot them in the face so dad talk for anyone do whoesn't know is basically mum talk of the Mormon wives on Hulu. Yes. Show. It's like cult reality show where these Mormon women have they were a group of TikTokers, weren't they? Essentially. Yeah. But can you bring up to speed on dad talk? And they recently create trying to make it happen. So what I think's happened is they're kind of piggybacking off mum talk's success. Okay. And then they're suddenly like, oh wait, we can do this too, but that's not the point because we bought into mum talk, not dad talk. Like we don't really like men nor want to talk on their dad talks. Well, they're just like making TikToks, slagging off the women, but why are you slagging them off? Because you have careers because of them. They went on their own brand trip to Vanderpump Villa, and now they're all just like leaking videos, divorcing. It's it's like this war at the minute. And I just hate it because I'm not brought into you. Not brought into you. You're so B-storyline. That most of them on that show are so awful. They're unattractive. They there's the they're problematic. While we're on it, let's just talk because I know me and you are both like reality TV obsessed. Yes. The Taylor Frankie Paul video. I just feel really awful for her and hope that she's getting like all the help she needs but then I'm seeing her, you know, reacting to things, commenting on things and she's very much like, you know, I'm just getting on with my life. But I think where she's lived in so much chaos, she's so used to it and that scares me. Because how is this just a blip in your life, you know? No, I I think maybe she's trying to save face. I mean it's awful. Like I think they should never have had her as the bachelorette. Because they knew because that's just my opinion, because they they knew about those claims and he's I mean he's evil he sat on that video and then released. Waited until she was doing press and then released it. The whole show's film, it's going in the bin. And there's like that there's a child in that video. Like it's dark. Also, it's just like that child will exist in the world, and like that video is out there for it's just there's so much darkness. It's very, it's very messy. It's not UK uh reality TV, is it? Yeah. So that's why they're they people go well the housewives is better and whatever, because they can have them in a state and just film. There's rules against filming people intoxicated because in the UK. I'm pretty sure pretty sure my mum was blind drunk on Goggle Box a fair few times and that that went in the edit, that did. Well let's let's start let's start there. Let's talk about Goggle Box. Let's talk about Goggle Box. You you know this is how we've come to know Joe Bags, how you kind of you kind of came onto the scene. How did you and your family end up on Google Box? What was the how did you get how'd you get cast? So I was making TikToks during lockdown and they told me that they used to do it in shopping centres, like overhear people's conversations, go up to and be like, Can we come to your house and film for a couple of hours. Well, just that eavesdrop on people. People be like, no, thanks. And because of COVID, they ended up uh finding us on TikTok and it was a video of me rating my family. Okay. And it's looking back, it's so embarrassing. I've got this straight voice on, and I'm like, yeah, my mum's me mum's this and my dad's this. I look back, George always roasts me about it. And that's how they found us. It's from that video. Yeah, my mum's got more plastic in her than the Atlantic Ocean, is what I said. Why were you talking shit No. I was having an identity crisis. And then I went to a pride party like a few years later and everyone thought I'd come out at like 23. I was getting so many messages. It was so nice. What as if it was like, but you would yeah. I was all I've been gay since I was about eight. So did you have to any do like an official coming out ? Well that was kind of I had to then follow up with a statement, like, no, I've been gay for ages, guys. Like my family know. Yeah, yeah. I've just finally just like dropped the voice. Yeah, yeah, I just dropped the voice. So awful. So you start filming Goggle Bot, because what was that experience like? I mean, as a family, like I mean the show was quite well known, so I guess you knew what you were kind of going into, but also a bit of the unknown. Yeah. Don't work with your family. Was there ever any massive routes? I would fall out of my family. Do you know what? There wasn't and it was actually genuinely like lovely to spend that time together during that period because I think we were getting to that age where we were all just going out all the time, it's nice to like reconnect in that way. But where my mum, we've all got ADHD in like our own different ways, okay, and like mine's diagnosed, mum's is undiagnosed, so I don't know what type she's got going on. But they would do this thing called a preamble where you'd chat before the show comes on. Okay. And they were like the formula is you know like hit A to B in about 30 seconds, great. Oh my god, we're like four hours in. Mum's talking about mayonnaise and how ketchup and mayonnaise shouldn't be in the fridge. And I was and I was losing the will to live. And some days I'd be like, Can we cut this? Like I need to go outside and have a breather. Like I need to go outside. She'd go on the worst tangents, yeah. So um that's when we'd used to argue. And then literally they that you're all in your lounge, like you've got what, like the cameras behind the t they do you have to like rearrange your front room a little bit? Yeah, pretty much. They put the cameras behind the telly and all the lights. Am I also watching telly under lights? Must be like there's a couple of times I was hungover and I thought 'cause I'm a very much I like I'm like no top light in my house ever, side lights like Oh really? So watching Telly like in a full lit room just is like that sounds like being awake during surgery. No, I do look back at the pictures of myself and I think oh and not just watching telly but also you've got a chat, like you've got to make sure you like you talk and that you know if you're saying you're bit hung over. And when your mum's talking about Sharon's sister's cousin who didn't mayonnaise in her fridge, you do end up losing your mind. And you're like, please keep it on chat, Lisa, because we're never gonna get this done. Never getting out of this living room. Do you have any favourite memories? Favourite memories. Um, I'd say my mum, there was one time when they were micing my mum up and she forgot she had a bra on to just pulled up her top and just flashed her tits out which was held she had no bra on yeah no bra on she thought she did she thought she did and she just went like that or another time which is my favorite is I love this one she's gonna kill me because this has been like a roast from the moment I've sat down. I love you, mum. Is that um she I heard her run out to the to the fridge and she forgot like she didn't cover a mic and I heard her let out the biggest fart and I heard them laugh on the monitor and I thought this poor woman. And like she knew she'd done it as well. She'd gone to the kitchen to rip one out in safety and they went . It's so honestly poor Lisa. Lisa, I got. Lisa is um she's a diva. Yeah. Your content together is hilarious. Thank you. And she she's had some beef. She's had she's picked some fights. Yeah, but you talk about Jamie Oliver. Can we? Yeah, of course. She's so she said that Jamie Oliver's recipes made her fat. Yes. And then did that turn into them like beef in each other? So the beef, so they were friends on Facebook somehow. I don't know how. Right. And then uh so he posted this thing, and my mum was like, Yeah, but your book made me fat because you put olive oil in everything and he put back try some margarine then love so she obviously went crazy about that and then years later from this job I made a video So this is pre-Goggle box. This is years ago . This is like years. This is like pure Facebook mumra. So passive aggressive. I know. So then I made a TikTok about it. His daughter sees, DMs me, he then voice notes me off his daughter's phone , ends up sending my mum a cookbook that says sorry with a bottle of olive oil. No, that's funny . That is actually so funny. Well, she buzzing. Uh yeah, well she screamed and cried and she was like, oh my god, I can't believe he still remembers me. Uh he said it was someone logged into his account, but I don't believe that. No, I think he was obviously in a bad mood. He thought, fuck you, shut up, Lisa. He was like my fault you'd lugging the olive oil down. He's like I'm up to my neck in these school dinners with a chicken nuggets and I don't need your shit. Do you know what I mean? Oh no, bless her. Bless her. Your mum went to school with Victoria Beckham? She did. Uh Victoria was like a couple of years below my mum, and then um yeah, they they weren't really friends because mum said she used to pull up in a Bentley and I think she was it is what my mum would say. And then yeah, and then um she bumped into David in like an aisle of a shop and he was shopping for underwear, and she walked past him and was like, Shouldn't you be looking for extra extra large? So that's where I get it from basically. So that's where you get your you want more front than Azda because Lisa has taught you the way. Yes. And what and did he respond? I can't remember what he said. I think he giggled. I think she basically giggled. Family and and you found huge success from Goggle Box and obviously you went on to have your own podcast, your brother was on the podcast with you, Mum was on, they're both on and off and now you're on your own. Yes. That is correct, yes. Some may say I fired them, I didn't. It was a neutral family decision for anyone asking. But the only person that's stayed is you. So you're the you're the problem . I am. I'm I'm horrendous. I'm not Ellen. It's gonna come out in a few years. I'm horrendous to work with. A horrific um toxic workplace culture. The mum and brother are like, nah, I'm out. This is just too much. Um you've been on a few brand trips. Uh you've worked with T V channels. Talk to me about brand trips because I always think that it's really interesting for my listeners to hear about them because they're kind of like there's so much like speculation on TikTok about what goes on on this what they really like. Have you had a favourite one? Have you had a a one that you're like what the f well the first one I ever did was Jack Will s, and they flew us out on a private jet to Dave Vigetta's villa. Sh Wa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Because you know my sister wants me to get with David Getta . Okay. Okay, so I sit right so hold it on a tangent. I'm single now. I don't know if you read the press, but I just so I look, I'm glad you mentioned it, not me. Oh my god, no, I've got a flacid. That's not good for my single life. My mic's gone from the clock. The moment you say it, the mic goes flow. Yeah, it's like so yeah, I'm single now, and um I'm like, who who do I want to date? And I was like, being dating DJ would be so fun. And I was like, but I need someone oldest. My sister keeps sending me David Geta videos, going, he has a boat. Like he has this, he has a chalet, make it happen. I'm like, gee, I'm trying to run my career, I'm trying to do my thing. Oh. I I know fact check that out. George Atwood, get off my fucking gig. I'm about to get everyone who's married. Okay. So you go to his house, we're in what country? In Ibiza. That it's just like quite random. It was really random. His personal home. His personal home. And um I was on his Netflix in the room, which is hilarious. It was all in was it in a different language? I can't remember. I mean I didn't have time to even be in the room because I was just drunk 24-7. Standard. Imagine like I come off a tele show, I quit my job in recruitment, and the first thing I do is go on a private jet David Getz Villa. I thought, this is the life. Were you like this is what influencing is that I was what, like 23 , and I was thinking, oh my god, yeah, no trip has ever compared to that ever so. That's you've peaked too early. Because also then it's like anything after that is like a little bit of an anticlimax. Yeah. I have not done, I have to be honest, that many brand trips, two reasons. One of the ones that went off really early after Love Island, Georgia Harris and I got so drunk that we didn't do any content and we ended up in debt to the brand. I didn't know that people were actually doing content. I thought that like it was like suggestions of like oh it's a break with ten content. I didn't no, I thought it was it was like you go to the things. I thought it was like funny. Yeah. So anyway, after my agent was like, let's just keep you, you know, in the TV studio at home. They it's not for you. Um so sometimes they're fun, but it it depends who's on them, doesn't it? Yeah, that depends how enjoyable they are. That's the first time I'm really met everyone. Yeah. Uh that I like worked a lot with over the past few years and all that kind of like TikTok crowd. Yeah. And then I did one with Prime Video Skiing, which was amazing. I got chased by these Krampuses in the street. Where was a Krampus? For anyone that doesn't know what a Krampus is, so this the way this fell, I thought the brand had planned it. So that in this movie that we were going to promote, there was a Krampus in it, and this is one night a year in Austria and this one town, I think actually it's across Austria. These men dress up in these big furry suits with horns, they look absolutely horrific and hit and are allowed to hit you with these sticks. So we're going into we're going skiing, we come off the the at Pre Ski, we're this shop taking our boots off and this man is like, do not go out tonight. And I'm like, they've paid this bloke, right? They've paid this bloke to do this so I'm like no babe like we're going to we're going out so anyway I'm downstairs in this suit already all of a sudden I'm outside the only way I describe this don't know if you got B P is it is like an active shooter situation right there's screams, people are falling, the brand look terrified. And I'm looking at them thinking, what is happening? Yeah. This man in a furry suit comes into the the lobby of the hotel with a stick, starts hitting people's shins. I'm yeah like whipping people. I am I'm in the back storeroom of this hotel, like cr nobody doesn't hear me for like trying to call my mum. Um and yeah, and then he's posted for a photo outside, apparently like gave up the shtick and then we got the taxi and went on the way. I've never heard of that in my whole The Night of the Krampus. And that was on a brand trip. The night of the and they just run around just. And hit people. It's naughty kids apparently. Okay, back it. But yeah, how crazy. Oh my god, okay, wait, that is that is mental. And then what did you do on the rest ? Terrifying! My producer just showed us. No, I don't like that that. Oh no, would give me so much. Imagine I was running at you down a street. No, I'm panic attack central. I don't like that. Okay. And did you ski? Oh barely. Yeah. I had to get lessons before I went for the brand. Um but actually my instructor was called Nagy . Now I know how he got his nickname. He made me cry. I'd had a bottle of rose the night before and he was like, no, no, no. And I was just, yeah, I sobbed on the I actually called Kane. actually crazy is It's like I I''mm a c well, half Canadian and we grew we lived in Canada, grew up on skis. I skiing is a Ponzi skiing. Like that, sorry, that is do not invite me on a ski holiday. Like I'll go to, I'll go there, I'll appreciate, I'll wear the outfits, I'll do with the eating and stuff. I don't want to be lugging equipment up a mountain, freezing my fucking tits off. And then maybe as a like constellation prize, you get like a snap day CL. I'm good. Yeah, like I'm not going on holiday to work out. If I'm breaking my neck, I'm falling off a bar. Yeah. Like not I'm not falling like on a rock under the snow. Like that just I just don't get it. I actually just I think as a concept, it's so bizarre. Yeah, agreed. Totally with you. Let's revert back to the podcast, not my bag. You've you've offered Lisa and and um Oh my god, the way you said it like that . And George . Oh joking. So let's talk about it. Hosting a podcast is a skill set. Thank you. Some people have it, some people don't. Too many people have podcasts now. That's my opinion. There's too many. And it's it is valid. People have said it about me. So yeah, it's valid. Okay No., you are a good podcasts. Thank you . And you know it's all about the chat and it's not always easy. Because sometimes them guests, you know, even you research them, they will turn up and they will give you nothing. Yes. Like literally you are fighting for your life. Have you had any moments in records where you're like, oh shit? Like Well, yeah, like I mean Rosie, your producer, used to um used to do mine and she knows for a fact that I've been fighting for my life many a time. Rosie, can you think of anyone ? Well, she knows. One thing I would say about podcasts is like I've like I'm not a broadcaster. I didn't go and like train in this style of things. I I had to learn on the job technically for everyone to see. So, like, it's like when you go to a job and you're training and like people don't really look at you, they're like, whatever. I was we were banging views at the start, like on that pod. Like, some pods were like 800k views, and you think I look back at my style of interview and it's horrific. It's so I wouldn't wat evench my first like 10 episodes. And I was drunk the whole time. And I just think that I've gotten to a point where I've learned so much, but that's over what? Like a three-year period. It's a long time. Like every single week for three years. So it's a lot, it's a lot of hard work to get to a point where you're happy with how you interview people. Mm-hmm. 100%. And like you say, I think sometimes that when guests appear on podcasts and the audience don't feel like they got what they specifically wanted from that chat, they can be like negativity a lot of criticism like you say you are you're not well not I'm I'm I'm not a journalist either I play one on telly yeah do you know what I mean that's that's what I always say I cosplay as one. It's like, but and I when people come into my podcast, into my studio, I want them to feel comfortable. I want them to feel like at home. I'm not trying to put anyone like under like scrutiny. You know, so I'm sorry if that's, you know, you don't get what you think you wanted. But I do agree with what you said before. PR is uh We said this before we started PR is killing our podcast. Because I think you know you you have to play it safe, you have to safe face for yourself and you've got your own brand. But some people are playing it so safe that I'm just sat there, like cut them that I know there's more to this, and you're trying to get it out, people. Thankfully, I've had a lot of people recently that do want to give into it, which is great, and we love that. I have this issue it not issue, and me and my publishers have back and forth sometimes when I'm on guest on people's podcasts, and then he'll go, 'Oh, like, let's just take out this, that, and the other.' And I'm like, 'Oh, wait that was really funny.' And he's like, What they're doing is obviously protecting you as their clients. So, every every situation, of course, and if someone's public ist asks me to remove things from a podcast, I'll always do it because I don't think it's in good faith or there's anything to gain if someone wants something removed. But I it's hard because it's like if the person, the talent wants it in , then I'm like sometimes it's like such a good story and you think that's not gonna do any harm, like it's a funny story. I think they need to trust you, the guest is the ultimate thing. Yeah. And then I just think, you know, just lean into it a bit. But the thing is, I think being a publicist right now must be the most exhaust well maybe my publicist is the most exhausting exhausting job in the fucking world. That is getting a Christmas hamper, Callum, you've got a Harrods hamper with your name on it, Cum. I love Callum. Yeah, Callum's my brother's name. I love him. He's exhausted. He's exhausted. He's knackered. I wonder why is he gonna protect? He's wasting away in bed . Yeah, so he um they're trying to protect you and also we well unfortunately we live in a world where anything anyone says gets so jumped on. Like this might be controversial, but it's like look at the Jess Wright situation. Yes. Like I can I understand for some people it didn't feel very feminist, but also it was about a bikini. Like the reaction to it. So that's why I think an uproar, wasn't there? Uproar. In Essex, I've never seen anything like it. Torches alive. So then if you're a publicist, you're looking after someone and you're listening to their things, you're gonna try and think of anything that could ever upset. So we're losing opinion. Yeah, we are losing it's just an opinion. I think that's like do you know what I mean? Like and I think that that's kind of sad because it's like because people wanna people wanna hang people so badly it's not. Yeah because you can't go to that point. What's the point in watching anything then? I know. Because it's just gonna get so boring. And I feel like there will be a turn it'll be me. I hope it I really hope it is because I I I would like us to you know be like pushing the envelope of comedy and like you things that we used to do like in the 90s that when I was growing up telly was so risky. There's some ch anges that I think are good and we have to protect people more than we did. But I think it's things are becoming so sanitized. People will work so hard to get themselves offended. You can just flick onto the next channel. But I loved it. Just don't look look at at it. You the All-Stars final, right? My clip of the podcast with Lauren was whacked into that final. Oh, we're going there. It was mess, and I loved it. And I thought that was good mess. Good mess. Good mess. So just for anyone that doesn't know, Lauren Wood, who is the ex-girlfriend of Harrison who um Jessica Pipelov and All Stars was on your podcast while the show was going on. She basically was like saying she was blindsided by him appearing on All-Stars. He was kind of leading her on, blah de blah de blah. They did you know they were gonna clip up your podcast and put it in the final. So they'd got in touch, but I didn't know because I've done afterselling they'd always kind of float an idea tube, but it's whether on the night they feel like that fits what they're doing. So they asked for the podcast, we sent it over and then when I saw it, I was completely gagged 'cause it wasn't like a little clip. They played it for about thirty seconds. I mean, talk about unbelievable promo for your pot. You must have been like oh I was living for it. It was the best night of my life. Yeah. Um, but yeah, no, and I thought like that type of drama it's just playing into the narrative of the show. And I think that's great. However, I do want to produce credit on Love Island because I do feel like Harrison and Bell left because of that podcast episode, because everyone went in, didn't they? And they said Well as in there was like they were dumped because yeah, they were dumped because of the the Lauren thing was the main underlying reason. I thought not me writing the story. Not you like infl like influencing the course of the show from mega fan of the show to that. It's a very full circle moment. I could actually see you doing something with Love Island. Like can you? Talking of Love Island and All Stars, you had Carol on your podcast. I did and, you had Sammy, didn't you? Yes! Runnel! Runnel! So I had Sammy on the pod. Yes. We chatted all things. At that point, to be fair, I quished Wait. What? Yeah, cause cause she was on your trip. Yeah. So this is but this is like a very full circle moment. What is going on? And if you're not into all stars, just to strap in for the next five minutes because this is all very love island. Okay, so listen, I obviously I wish I'd let her decompress a little bit because I got her off the plane. Like she poor bitch hadn't unpacked her bag. So she was obviously very like, Oh, like, yeah, I mean, like, we're so loved up. And I think she genuinely at that time hoped they were gonna be. Then obviously, it fizzled. So we're in New York, I've got the girls, Sammy's there, and we're basically doing my River Island collection launch with the basic Out Party holiday in New York. And when she lands, she was like, it's things are just not good with us, that we're not connected. I think I'm gonna call time on it. So they break up on my River Riding trip. And I was says that my this river riding trip turned into like a stagdo. Like literally, we were like feral, because we're all single apart from like one of them. Right, okay. And like I'm obviously nearly single. She says she smelled the New York air, and she smells like she walked through one of those steamy, steamy vents on the street and thought, let's get me tits out. She was like, This smells like being single. Okay, and then that's it. And then I, you know, I all I understood from her was that it fizzled, that you know they didn't that much in common. What what's the tea? What can you say? Well what he has told me. And obviously people can go to your podcast to listen to the full thing. Yes. But give us a give us a little taster. So what he has said is that um she kind of went the other way prior to your trip. Um so that made it sound like your trip was the reason, but it wasn't. That sounded like a horrible influence. And basically the day before they made it official and broke up, Tyreek had sent her flowers so he was very much like how did he even get your address and Tyreek I feel like um I can I just say I really admire the man I think he is like a master rage baiter and I I do think he is funny, right? In just the way he makes content and the streaming, I think is so clever. And he liked my announcement clip of Kieran last night. I thought this is just the pettiness is crazy. And he's gone on streams and said Sammy has a special place in his heart right now. And so I don't know what's happening. It's all a mess. Did you see that when we were in New York, he posted Sammy to his story and was like, I'll see you when you get back, but then deleted it. Obviously, people saw it. Yeah. So I think I like him too. I think he's very charming. I think he's very good at what he does. But I think streamers fall into a very different category to like content creators. Because their life is to engage people. Yeah. So it's like they have to keep it move it and keep it interesting. So I think he's he's very bold. He is. Also the what he's done is formed this kind of like all stars esque niche when Love Island is on to get these other islanders on to talk about it. And there's islanders that like won't come on my pod but will go on that stream and I really rate that. But I think surely it's safer to come on a pod that's edited. You don't you know you go on a live stream, just say whatever. But they everyone seems to love it. And he obviously is a good host. Yeah. Oh god, imagine usin' alive. With some drinks. We'd never work again. I'd have to move to Mongolia and just change my identity. Um oh my god, that's so good. Any favourite guests? Any standouts? Oh my god. I know it's hard that when people ask for that was film. Put me on the spot. Everyone's been my favourite. No, yeah. There were some chaotic ones back in the day that was just crazy. When we started that were just hilarious. And like I had like Mel C on as one of my first few guests, which is just mental to even say. Spice girl. Um yeah, and she said that um her daughter knew who me and George were, so that's why she did it. Um Gemma Collins came on for a Christmas special, had her hair done with all these extensions put in after the pop was that I'm going plate cheese for brunch. My mum's just spin it by a car on a bike. And then she was like, I actually don't like the length of my hair. So got these scissors off the desk and cut her extensions off in front of me. As she left, there was this one string of long hair down the back, and I just thought I'm just gonna let it go. I'm just gonna let it go. That sounds like a fever dream. Honestly, that that era of the podcast was and like Louis Spence came in, one of our first guests asked for a mirror up in front of the the set, like so he could imagine, you know, like pineapple dance. He's like in the mirror. The mirror fell and destroyed half of Grace's set. Seven years. Seven years' bad luck. Grace is in the room watching the box. Because you just share a filming location. Yeah, it was like opposite. D yeah. So the mirror fell and damaged her set. Half her set. And he went, Oh, just feel me, love. I thought, oh my god, it was just ca constant chaos. That's fun though. Yeah, it was really fun. And I've had like some great ones recently. I mean Brie from Selling Sunset. We met her recently. She's great. I love her. I'm just I'm I I'm obsessed with the lore of her life. Like with the um Nick Hannon and with his like nine million children. She has one with him. Yes. And yeah, it's just like and she's always here. Yes, she is. But then sometimes she's there, and I'm like, her air miles must be through the fucking bridge.. I know. I love it Or does does he get her a PJ? I don't know. No. I don't know. But Christine's coming back. Who? Christine. I read this on the internet. I read it on your story, I think. What was it? Did you did you put the internet's healing? Yeah, yeah. Because she was one of my favourite TV villains of all time and she had a rough time with her husband. So Christine Quinn, she had that terrible divorce with that guy. And he waited till she went on House of Villains to basically sue her and like send her a load of legal documents. So I tried watching on it and I was like she seems really out of sorts and that's the reason why. This is what I mean about men just waiting until people do stuff to leak it. They're just horrible. Yeah. Men are horrible. I honestly, I it's gonna it's coming a bit of an issue. I've never had a straight male guest. You know , don't have anything to say to him. I don't even know any good ones. I just I like men for stuff that I wouldn't video . Unless my work really dried up. And then I'd consider it because I know all about how it works. Oh my God. Oh my goodness. I mean, I I would I should have one. I just I'm just trying to think of her. Talk about what? Do you know what I mean? About caddle. I've got one. Go on. Lewis Hamilton. You can get the tea. You know as a monster girl. I've been around Lewis. Oh okay. Well yeah, but pre pre existing connect all right. No, isn't that' I just dont think people like that are so PR'd. Will I am? Okay, that's not bad. Not me throwing guest suggestions at you. Yeah, that's not bad. Good guys, wait, like why is he get to work. Yeah, I'm gonna build you for my hours today. Please. You can build these lot . Okay, dolls. You know what? I actually cannot wait for my next night in. Especially with Sky Ultimate TV. You know I love to work hard, but that does mean I miss out on my very much needed me time. Once in a while, I just need a night in on the sofa catching up on all my favourite shows. But honestly, there's nothing I hope more than endlessly scrolling for something to watch. Like looking through all the pages of new shows, it's so overwhelming. I always end up watching the same things again and again. And then I hear about shows my friends have recommended, but I actually completely forget to watch them by the time I actually have some free time. I'm so guilty for just re-watching the same show over and over and over again. I just get bored and up going on my phone, not even watching the TV, but like a TV fairy godmother, Sky has the ultimate solution. For the first time, they have bought together Sky, Disney Plus, Netflix, HBO Max, and Hey U in one simple subscription. I cannot believe no one has done this before. I've been dying to watch Louis Farou Inside the Manosphere on Netflix. I feel like I have so many questions I need answering from the clips I've seen online. But then I also need to balance it out with something a bit softer, like FX's love story on Disney Plus, I'm obsessed with Caroline Bassett style. Although, knowing me, I'll probably end up going from that to Vanderpunt Rules on Hey You, one of my favourite comfort programmes or friends on HBO Max, the ultimate feel -good series. And then if I want to throw something easy and funny on, I'll do Saturday Night Live UK on Sky. But what is an actual lifesaver is Sky's playlist feature. When I get a new recommendation, I add it to my playlist. Then no more scrolling through to find something to watch. They're all kept together in one handy playlist. Or it will even make recommendations based on what I watch, making it super easy. There's nothing I love more than getting my ultimate setup, cozy pajamas on, cold diet coke from the fridge, and my favourite snack of choice, of course, olives. Uh the lights down low, a candle on, and the dogs cozying up next to me. What are you waiting for ? From podcasting to TV, you have you've emigrated back to the terrestrial television. You've been popping up on Lorraine. Thank you. You've been doing obviously Love Eye Noughs and you've done what was it like moving into a live format? Like do you remember your first live TV appearance? Yes, I yes I do. Go on, what was it? My first one, I think, was uh Big Brother Late in Live. Yeah. And I did that. And um I think I just had this moment of like I love pop culture, I love reality TV, I've watched all of these things growing up. So to be in that moment of kind of being on Goggle Box reacting to then AJ's walking towards me, I've I thought it was gonna prolapse. Like I genuinely she said something to me, and I just I remember just like not remembering what I was saying, and she had that goggle box. I was like, hey, hey, hey, hey, he tells. And then I look back and I think, oh my god. But it's such a confidence thing. I think you have to find your rhythm, gain confidence. I did late in life. I did Lorraine. Um, first time I did it was like Deering Headlights, and that makeup artist um for the morning lady, like she made me look like a a doll. I look back and I think, oh that was I could have rubbed that off. They love some heavy foundation down there in the daytime studios. A little bit of a cut crease and I would have been good to go, you know, in Grand Canaria uh on a night out. But give it away . But um yeah, no, and then I kind of just built my confidence up and then I think after some was where I really felt that you were getting into the grooves. Yeah, I was like, I this is my dream gig, I love this show, I know everything about it, and I feel like I came into my own since then. Then I recently did uh started doing the competitions for ITV. That's epic. And I did it at the Brits and they gave me £123, 4 56 . I can't even remember it now. And 78 pence. So one to eight. I kept forgetting it. I was live. Wait, what you wait, hold on, what do you mean? I just kept forgetting the price amount. It was one hundred to And you don't have auto cue for that. You just need to remember the remembering it. And I my dyslexia could never. I looked at the camera at one point. I went, I don't know what I just said. I was just like trying to but anyway, got a call back, so I thought weren't that bad. So you've you've like you've probably started to like, you know, like get your like like pave your way in that and like get your like you say it's confidence. Yeah. Like is the more times you do it. I remember the first time being on a live format, and it's like when you s when they go, Oh, I'm alive, it's like the adrenaline. Once you get control of the adrenaline, it's no actually different to doing this. It's not it's no different, it's just it's getting it out of your own head. That's it. Like when I did comic relief, that's the first time I didn't adrenaline rush because I kind of just was settled into it. But oh my god at first, it's like someone's drop kicking you in the throat. It's very like you feel like you're being hunted for sport. Oh yeah. My body does not know the difference between being hunted and doing a TikTok live. Do you uh have intrusive thoughts? Oh my god, all the time. So I remember the first few times I did a live TV, I used to think when I've been waiting, like in the ad break, I used to think as soon as I go live, I'm gonna say something crazy. And then, no, you're not just talk like how you'd normally talk. But then I start to think of all the things that you should- My God, imagine if I said this, imagine if I said, Imagine if I just knock this glass of water over. Like you use that like and I'm live getting away. And by the time they ask you the question you go no and then you're like you're so in your own head that they asked you something that you're like, where am I? Where am I? But Tiffany Pollard is the personification of intrusive thoughts come to life. I did Late in Live with her and I shut the fuck if you did it with her. But actually, I I backtrack in she was my favourite guest on the podcast. Okay. I mean she was amazing. She doesn't give a fuck. I I adored her because she' ddone late in live the night before and she came to the studio and her manager was like she might need to wear sunglasses because I don't think she's gonna have time to glam, it was 10am . No, she'd stayed away . She came straight for late in lives, went to her hotel room and then just came, came into my pod and did it, and she was phenomenal. That woman is yeah, just like world class. I love her. Hilarious. Um, you've got a new gig now. Britain's Got Talent. Yes, I do. Can we talk about that? Yes, it's the first time that I've spoken about it, but I'm the digital host for Britain's Got T Thank you. That's very exciting. Thank you. That's very exciting. When do you start filming? In A end of April. And so basically you'll like unpack what's happened there at the auditions like super like crazy behind the scenes chaos, speaking to semifinalists, the judges, all that type of thing. And that show is pretty crazy and there's like some pretty wacky acts. But I mean you're in good company, Ann and Deck, Manda Holden, Alicia Dixon. Is that quite surreal? Yeah, it is. And like I I grew up watching that show. We watched that show on Goggle Box. So I think like it's so mental. When I got the ask, I just thought this is wild. But it's like such a me show, I'm just more buzzing to just like get my teeth sunk into it. Yeah, amazing. Congratulations, honey. Very deserved. Thank you. You've met a lot of celebs. I have, yeah. You met Kim Kardashian. I did, yes. What was it like? Um, surreal. Um Did you interview her? It was like a press junket or something. No, it was Skims Pop-Up in Selfridges. Okay. In the car on the way, I was thinking, like, you know, what would I say to Kim K if I met her? Like, you know. And basically, I was a bit thrown off because I thought she was just coming. Originally I thought she was going to come in, chat to everyone, get pictures. She didn't. She was just a photo wall for ages. So I thought oh, we're not actually going to meet her. She just stood there, like I just thought, okay, there was all security around. Then she was brought past. Um and s someone went, oh, this is Joe. He's imagine being introduced as this. He's one of the coolest influences in the UK. Like I'm many things. I'm not I'm not called. Was it an American person that said that? Yeah. I can imagine I can imagine it. They dephrase things so weirdly. Can you imagine my reaction to that? I just went, oh you're so pretty. Yeah . I folded my knees went. There's actually a video of me in the back in someone's story and you can see me afterwards just go like someone's deflated me like a whoopee cushion. Um, and then it gets worse. So I she's contracted to walk around the room for an hour. I didn't. Oh my god. So she's just like what clockwatching. Yeah, and you know me, like I'm hot shit with my Insta and stuff. I will edit in person. I've whacked an AirPod in and I'm already editing meeting her, right? In the room. No, I'm jumping. She keeps walking past me. Don't lapping. I've got an AirPod in, I'm on Cap Cut. She just walks past and she's like, right , I'm like, what the fuck is going on right now? It was absolutely mental. Um Is she gorgeous? Stunning. I definitely saw on the side of her light what light she uses. So I bought that. Oh, well I was there. I'm gatekeeping. Oh you fucking bitch So like a handheld. Yeah it's phenomenal. But don't worry I'm I'll let the team know afterwards. Okay. And and what does someone in her team hold it for her? They hold it for her. So she's always super well lit. Is it stick, square, or round? It's like a it's like a barrel. It's like a it's like about that big, it's huge. Bush baby, get that Amazon open right now. It's it's mental. Um, and she's just stunning. Like she's everything you think she would be. Yeah. In person. And yeah, it was just that was probably one of the most mental celeb encounters, really. Who would who would you think would have you more Starstruck if that's possible? Chris Jenner. Really? Right. So you know on Therapist Jake Shane's podcast and his goal is to meet Taylor Swift. Yeah. And interview her. Yeah. Mine is Chris Jenner. Okay. I have a picture of her on the set. She is my goal. Yeah. She's your number one. What is it about yo, KJ that you love so much? I think the way she is like built the family from the ground up. What a woman. I can really relate to. I would have thought, I would have thought of you as you're more the Kim K of the family. I can promise you I'm not. That's mum. Oh actually . That's mum. She's got some wild stories that I'd probably have to say. Okay, so you so maybe you are the the Chris Jenner and Lisa's Kim. And I'd say who's Courtney? George. George is so Courtney energy. Rocks up when he feels like it. I I'm not subscribing to this drama. That is that is George. Sorry. I you we've had this massive thing planned for months in the kind of big family get together. And then George would just text on the day and be like, I'm on holiday. Sorry, George, I love you. That's actually amazing. Um your relationship with Kane brings me a lot of joy on Instagram. TikTok. You're very funny together. How did you guys meet? We met at Maddy Jepson's birthday party. I just did a job with Maddy Jepsen the other week. She's the them to people who don't know, she's a content creator, TikToker, host. I was gonna She does does these she she that's how she first met Vara, wasn't she? But she's actually she's super talented. She's in the West End now. Phenomenal. Like she does these am I doing it it? It's an art,'s art form. I can't believe that's why she does it, not me. I'd blow a vessel. So you met at her party. Did you know each other at all? Uh we'd met once before at the Nick's like Barbie event, like before that, but didn't really speak and then um I basically was leaving because I was like okay I'm gonna go home I had a bit too much to drink and then I was like you know what I'm gonna go in there and I'm gonna shoot my shot. So I went in, stood at the bar and I just I was just drunk and I just was started going . And then he turned around, he's like, Are you okay? And then that was it. That was it. And then So you were basically passing away at the bar and he checked in on you. Yeah. And then we walked to the box, and then they wouldn't let me in because I was wearing shorts. Right. So he said, I'll stay with you. And I thought, that's a real man. Yeah, that's a that's like a real green flag. He stayed with me when I was in my shorts. How short were the shorts? They weren't even that short, but they just had a real problem with my calves. Jealous? Maybe. I don't I think I've got shin's blint, so let's not go into that. We had a whole 10-minute debrief on our um hypochondria before we started. Um you live together. We do. How you this is the house. Did your ceiling cave in just not long ago? It did. Thank you for the reminder of the trauma. Uh we rent and the uh I mean thank God it's not totally your problem. No, it's not totally my problem, but obviously, when five panes of glass spontaneous ly combust in your house, you've obviously got to be like, Oh, something's like. For all the people that didn't like a skylight. An entire glass like of a of a glass lan tern fell. Thank God my dog wasn't under there. It could have killed someone. Could have killed someone. Um, but the way I deal with trauma and traumatic situations is when it happened, I thought, well, there's nothing I can physically Where were you when it happened? I was in the hallway. I thought that a pane of glass from our bedroom had fallen against that. So I heard a boom. That's why I was recording. I came into the room and then it fell. So after it happened, I just thought, do you know what? I do these album recreations. It was Rihanna's album anniversary coming up. So I thought let me whack on a lace fr,ont whack on a mini skirt. I did a photo shoot in the kitchen. I thought what else can I do? Next to all the glass. Yeah, next to all the glass. And and what what I mean shaking holding the glass. Like so anxious. And what are you like rolling around with a wig on? What I mean that must be quite mental for like delivery drivers when they ring your doorbell on a Friday night and you're mid-filming some kind of sketch or TikTok and you're both in costumes. There's always wigs, costumes, everything. I actually had to clear out our dressing up cupboard recently, but there's over a hundred wigs. Jesus. If you ever want one, let me me know. Ian to be fair, maybe. Maybe I need one. Did um do do you know why it broke? Like what how does it even have? Still TBC, but I move on Monday, so a moving house. You're out. Not my problem anymore. No problem, get out. Um, who's messy around the house? That's a really good question. I feel like I'm a bit chaotic at the minute, so I am, but when I'm home I like it clean, so that's the problem. I'll leave the mess, I'll come in and I'll be like, why is that there, type of thing? Yeah. But I'm very OCD. Okay, so you like things where you like them, but if you're rushing with work, you'll just throw it. Yeah. Who's the bigger diva ? Me . You. Can you not tell? But you're so like you're so kind of reserved and like what happens behind closed doors. This is why I'm fighting for reality format. You know what you need to host? Well my life. Yeah. Just come round and just kind of vlog it. Yeah, it w it would probably ruin me. I'm Kane's like half of the shit you say could never go anywhere, but Yeah, that's the problem you see. We need to bring back an unoffended we need to bring up the Osborne generation of reality TV. That's it. Unfiltered. Yeah. You have matching tattoos. We do, yeah. Oh , someone did the research . Whose idea was that? That was mine. And what'd you have? S matching sunflower. We were kind of like having a bit of a lull with the pod. I thought, you know what, maybe getting a matching tattoo or live on the pod might be fun. Absolutely. Good fuck all views, to be honest with you. But now we've got a sunflower on each other, so that's fine. And I hope that you don't live to get that decision. I have to date, three separate tributes to three separate men on my body. Do you? Almost a gallery. Yeah. A walking gallery. I think that there's a couple I'm gonna cover soon. Well, maybe like there's our our wedding, Brad and I got till death do us part and my arm says till death and his says do us part. I mean I'm not planning on dying so I probably should get rid of it. Maybe till oh no, that was awful. That was like a that was like a a cringy Pinterest thing. Which makes me sad. Till death. Do us party . Shut the fuck up. You're a genius. You are a fucking genius. I'm going on Saturday. It's done. Great tattoo on. It's fucking done. Oh my god. Okay . Done. Let's do it on the pod. We'll get him in. Dog dad. How many dogs do you have now? Only one. Why do you think you have more? Um, one is enough because oh it's been live, it's been a nightmare. Is there prolapsed? So he so he prolapsed with a whole thing. It happened the week when the glass ceiling fell. He's just had his little designer bum hole done. So sorry, his like an anal prolapse. Yes, an anal prolapse. And what caused that? We don't know. And so was it like just what what happens? They're just shitting himself? I don't know. Oh my god. Kane, I'm so screamish. It happened at the weekend and Kane was like, Thank God you won and you would have passed away. But he's had it all tucked in now, he's had his balls off at the same time. I don't know why it happened. No idea. He's only little. Apparently it happens in smaller dogs. Yeah, fucking hell. But he's uh he's recovering well. So you've had had quite a stressful time this year. Yeah, the January was horrible. Yeah, I feel like everyone was like it was like being awake during surgery. It was grim, wasn't it? It was really, really awful, and then things have picked up and I'm feeling good. Like, yeah, good. I it hit first of fair. I met Kim K and I thought it can only get better from here. It can only go up. Yeah. And also, I think we entered our Chinese New Year, Year of the Horse. We did, I'm really. And I just think it's just the same. I felt that I mean I shared, I mean, I've left everything behind last year. Jesus Christ, I've got nothing left. Um proposals on the cards. Who would propose? To talk about it. See, I'd want Kane to propose. I don't know. What do you feel about this? Because like I'm such a content creator at heart that like if it's happening, I want drones. I want you know what I mean, I want hidden photographers of it. So it's like if he did it and he didn't have it covered properly, you'd be like Well, we'd have to fake it then, wouldn't we? And do it again. So then I'm like, so do I want to not put the pressure on him? We just do it wherever, not at home, but you know, like wherever. And then we we film , but then it's not authentic, is it? And I'm big on the old authenticity. Surely he knows what you look what is what's important to you and he'd sort out Well yeah, champagne, a lake, and a photographer a videographer. Yeah. They're really 4K cameras, lighting. Yeah. Mic'd up. A crew. Yeah. Glam . They're all important to me. Talking of weddings. Um I was like locked in with your parents renewing their vows. How many years married? 30. Insane. They won't let me forget it. And you and you officiated . I did. How was it? I did. Um, so the whole thing was iconic. The whole thing was iconic. So I have you ever seen Shits Creek? Of course. So I got the Pope costume that Moira Rose wore, remade. And then she she was so annoying because she said I told her before, and she said, Oh, you can't wear that. And then after I'd got into my suit, she was like, Oh, I would have liked you to wear that. And I was like, I would have been such a bit anyway. Got my contents, I didn't care. So you got the you would did get put the suit on, yeah, but you just didn't marry the minute. Yeah, and then um look the day was great, and uh uh we had such a nice time. I the wedding planner had beef with me the whole time, but that's a story for another day. But um Give us a bit of the story. She just didn't like me, I don't think. What do you think it was? Because you wanted to wear a Pope costume? What do you think ? I think she was under the impression that I wanted to steal the attention from the day. Right. But my me and my family know each other and they know that would never be the intention. I'm actually, I see myself more as like a jester. Like I was trying to make everyone feel at ease because I knew my mum was nervous, but yeah, she just didn't see it like that. She wasn't feeling your vibe. She wasn't my vibe, but I'm not for everyone, you know what I mean? Mum I 'm Mum I. I love I love the idea of you having some passive aggressive like beef with the wedding planner. Like, was there little little comments? All day, but uh when that happens to me, I'll just go super nice. If I'm really nice to you, just know I'm absolutely fuming at you. I'm I'm like, oh, okay, you're being passive aggressive. Give me a second, will I be aggressive? Yeah. I'm like, let me just let's cut through the bullshit. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. But all in all it was a phenomenal day. And they renewed their vows. Renewed their vows. So my mum actually wants to now. So we my mum has been speaking about every week since the wedding and I I get that. I've never been married, but I know it's a big thing for everyone. And I know you know Yeah, you dine out on the memory and the the fun of it. Yeah. Exactly. She now wants to box frame her dress in the hallway. Oh I don't I hate box framing. Well, first off it was a mannequin. Oh God. And I Lisa, that's terrifying. I know. And I said, what what about something else? What about we sniff a bit of material and put it in the guest book? Uh yeah, she's also had every single picture printed by Funky Pigeon on black and white in the hallway. Shout out Funky Pigeon. I honestly I love it for her, but if there's one thing Lisa Bags loves, it's black and white canvas. I'm s I wouldn't surprise if your wedding photos were in there in black and white. Should we take them down now? Oh my god, like it's like a 3D canvas. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Old chunky bad boy. You know what that uh like 3D uh framing makes you think of like you know hard rock cafe. Yeah. You when they have like all the like, oh like you know, Mick Jagger wore this shirt, it's like some crusty shirt in a box. Like it just something about it gives me the ick. I did box range tank recently though. What was it? Well, to me this is really cool, but it's one of the um like ski masks that one of Beyoncé's dancers wore on the cowboy carter tour. That's very cool. And it called. How did you get that? I'm not gonna get someone into trouble, but I got it. So you didn't like bid on it, someone's got it for you. I got it. You got it. I got that. One thing about me, I love bit memorabilia. Okay, okay. Who who's your number one like icon? Is it Beyonce? I'd say Beyonce. Yeah. I'd say I'd pretty much pass out. I I got tears in my eyes listening to Julia Fox recall meme Beyonce. That's how like parasocial I am with it. Like I was imagining that feeling of her coming up to me and I had like a tear streaming down. So you'd if you met her, you'd lose it. Well, I just don't know. I think I don't know what I'd do. I think knees would go. I think there'd be tears. Imagine that she just is like a guest on Britain's Got Talent. Okay Yes. And then just get bring her backstage for a chat and you just lose all composure. Stranger things have happened. She came out of Alexandra Burke on that X Factor Final. Mate, like anything can happen. Anything's possible. Anything can happen. I can never think of that those shows about thinking of Nicole Scherzinger pulling the mic off of um I know our boy, what's his fucking name? Um no, who did she pull the mic off? Oh, Jermaine Douglas. Yeah, she's like. But there was the most do you remember it's like Christine Aguilera Didy Duet, Matt Cardell with Rihanna? What was going on with those record labels at the end? The budgets were stupid. I know, weren't they? We need to go back to that that era. Are you gonna attend a pussycat dolls show? Oh of course I will be. I will be, absolutely. I I fear I will have to be. I I gave everyone a great performance of push push what is it? But shall the button. Push the button. That's that's sugar bates, isn't it no, um buttons buttons. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Buttons at the uh strip club on Friday night at five AM. Wow. Uh yeah, there was a karaoke. It really is till deaf to us party then. Yeah, we've been I've been throwing it down pretty hard. Um as you should. And we all the thing is everyone wants to go for karaoke with me and I have to and then when I wake up and I go, Oh, did anyone else get a turn? And all my friends go, No What's the song? What's your go to? Okay, so it would be something pussycat dolls like don't you would be up there. Then I would probably I can do a Tommy Kitten Hole again with something a little bit like Slabber Tempo. Nice. My mum cut her finger open to that once. I had to go to neighbours on about six years old. I had to then go next door. Really core memory for me. She made out like she was dying at the time. I look back and I think that was not life direction. So she traumatized you. Yeah. That's why you've got health anxiety. That's why we think we're dying all the time.. That's why Um before I let you go, right? I wanna play a little game. Oh I'm it's called Bags or Bullshit. So I read the statement and then if you've done this, you say bags. If you've never done it, you say bullshit. Okay. And these are just like made-up scenarios, so I don't know. Oh well. Yeah, yeah, they're not things like pulled off the internet. It's just like, I don't know you might have done them, you might not. I can join in with you too if you want. You've muted an influencer that you know well in real life . Oh, bags. Bags. Must I say bags? Bags, yeah, if you've done it. Muted. Yeah, yeah. So is that because they just they're jarring you, but you you're friends of them so you don't you don't want to unfollow? I think in this job, right, you can really enjoy someone as a person, but just really not resonate with their content, and that's absolutely fine. That's valid. I think it's valid. And I'm sure And vice versa. I'm sure I muted on a ton of people. I had someone I know uh follow me the other day, already followed me and I thought I know what you've done because I do it. You've gone on the mute you unmuted me and you've pressed unfollow. I know. I clocked it. Did you let's just just let it go unmute. I just let it go. I got a message. Oh I don't know what happened there. We know what happened. We all know what happened. We know what happened. You know who you are. And I know you'd be watching this. Hi . You've done a TikTok with someone 'cause you know it'd do well but you don't like them . These are messy. Bags. Yes, come on. For the views. You pretended not to see someone you know at an event. It's quite hard to do that, isn't it? I think I don't think I have because you just know it's inevitable. I did go to like a washing detergent event event once and it was very small. Really small. It was outer net, you know, it's like a basic glass fish bowl. And my ex was there from years, like first ever boyfriend. Um, he's now like a celeb hairdresser, which is hilarious. And he was there tell you afterwards. And then um, and he he avoided me like the plague in that room. There was not one moment where we were a metre apart. So he made sure he kept his distance. I would have been nice and said hi, but he mate him and his husband made sure of it. Okay. Interesting. So you've been avoided is what he asked. Okay, so that one's bullshit. You've taken a a job just because it's a good free trip. I feel like probably bullshit. It's quite hard with those things because it's like if you hated the brand, it's quite hard to go away with the actually do the content. Yeah, I don't think I've ever done that because I'm always just like, you will be able to see in my eyes if I'm not happy. My manager tells me that all the time. You can see right through you. All the time. You've accidentally sent a risky message to the wrong person. I've definitely bags. I've definitely sent screenshots like um back to someone before and then been like, oh. Do you know what I've stopped doing? It's like now it's like I Instagram's updating itself so fucking much. You know, if you I if I send someone's post, I now just WhatsApp it to people because I'm I'm scaring myself that I'm gonna send because a lot I've had do you ever get this? It's when people I don't know ever so random followers. They'll send me my own post, write something mean, I think, oh that was meant for your friend. They'll be like, Oh look at her here, or I don't like what she's wearing. And I go, I think I just Maybe one day. And I look I think uh maybe one day you'll be bullied on the hate sense of it. And I look I think, oh you meant to send that to your friend. Like oh it's it's that'd have that would make me I would die . Yeah. What if they so I always think though, if they knew that you saw it, they'd be mortified because I genuinely I've had things where they've deleted it and been like, oh my sorry, or like or they've never seen it. Yeah, I think 'cause also 'cause this all we say things to our friends all the time that you wouldn't and also I promote I was saying people are mean on the internet. I think well you know those people have no friends because I'm like bitch about me to your friends. Don't bitch about me to me. Like I there's a the internet's perverted the course of justice. I'm not meant to hear this. That's so true. But I know you've got no pal, so you have to tell me, and I'm happy for the engagement. A feature that should be deleted. WhatsApp statuses . I made a screenshot. My WhatsApp status once. Wait, is that when like people can see you're active and all of that stuff and I'm not? I've never seen some. You can turn it off right though. I don't know. So someone messaged me going, Liv, your WhatsApp status is a random screenshot of some girl. Oh I know sorry you you upload it's like a story vibe on WhatsApp. And then I didn't know how I'd done it. So I was trying to find to get get the my managers going delete it and I was like I'm fucking trying. I don't even know how I did it. Do you know what's mine's even weirder? Cause I used to manage engineers on power plants. That was my old life when I had a normal job. And so all I have now is all of these random men, like all around the world, and I just click on it, and it's like a turbine, a pipe, a helmet, not that type. And um, yeah, I'm just like, wow, crazy. That's that's what my WhatsApp does. Okay, see, I didn't even know it was a thing. Um , you've been annoyed by something, someone in your family has posted. Oh my god, bags, bags, bags, bags. I've I've told my mum off of stuff she's posted before. Because I'm like, it reflects on me as well. Like when you say something because also they're different generationsation post things, I'm like that. You need to delete that, and she's like, Why? I know why it's it's endearing. Like, my mum, uh, her authenticity online is what people love and I love her, and she's hilarious. But sometimes I'm like, should we just think about someone doing your social media because it's like an obituary. There's every day there's like a dead person or a candle or like our dead dog, uh, or do you know what I mean? Or it's like a pie and mash or uh a fish pie. And I just think to myself, I'd mum, please . And then she goes, My engagement's going crazy this week. And I and you're like, people are traumatized, Lisa. I know, don't don't. Um, go to someone after a date. I actually haven't because, I used to be like a proper beg, but I've been ghosted. I used to be a proper beg. So you were the one asking for like a second date and they're like I took it well bad when I got ghosted once. I actually got ghosted by a guy because um I got so pissed that I put him on my back and I dropped him and hit the pavement. I've got a scar on my arm still. The other day I'm outside the pod studio, he walks past me. I thought I'm not gonna say anything, it's a bit weird, isn't it? But after you dropped him on his back and then he killed him. He ghosted me, but the last message before ghosted me was um, oh, you got fake tan all in my bed . If that's the reason why you ghosted me, grow up and bust and vanish. I'm sorry, that is the lamest thing. It washes out. Change your sheets. No. Oh, and blood, but that was really I was gonna say same, but I think it's different. Um, call someone out on your podcast and then they've called you out for calling them out. Like have you ever said something about the pod and then someone's gone, uh, I heard you. Yeah, yeah, we brought up the name early, but I definitely at one point said something about someone and then they come up to me at Brit's after party and she was just gave me a look up and down. I thought, whatever. The game's the game. Who was it? Um I can't because if I say it restarts one, it restarts it, and I know she's got a relish in the fact that I've I've already dropped the well you now know it's a she, so great. But yeah, you know what I mean. I don't wanna I don't people take things way too personally. They do. Um but I've learned I've learned, I've grown and I'm not that messy anymore. Oh, so you're a little bit more cautious with the Yeah. I think so. Do you know what it is? I learnt this and it's always stay with me. It's about the action, not the person. I had someone who was for my so wrong, it's right podcast, who was like there was a conversation where someone told a story, they didn't name the person the story, but a lot of people figured it out, and then she was going round going that fucking podcast. But she never said anything to me. Right, okay. But you said to a lot of people round Yeah. You know. If you have a problem with something someone's done, I think. So I was like you, we never named anyone. Yeah. You just incriminated yourself, girl I wouldn't be owning up to that story. It was awful. I've been going, God, what an arsehole. Who are they talking about? I would be like, that was me. That was me. That has happened in the past with someone where um I witnessed a love island couple, everyone will know this anyway, on a on a trip, and one of them was like acting a certain way and it all came out in the press and because she admitted or she like said oh that's about me I thought you could have just said nothing. Well you just put yourself into it. Yeah yeah but oh Jam I don't this the end neither do I. Oh my god. Do you know what you should do next? Go on, yeah. I'll go. Yeah. Don't want it to end. Come over to not my bad. She's like, well, he's like, what are you doing now? Got any plan ? Um, before you go, give me a guest list suggestion. Who should I have in the chair? Oh, right. Well, I saw someone actually comment on your thing the other day saying you need Brie on from selling sunset, and I think she I think you guys be amazing together. Okay. But on top of that, my mum. Okay, I want Lisa. Oh my god, my mum. So my mum's such a big fan of you that her first NTAs, I remember she was like nudging me and she was like, that's Liby Atwood, that's Levi Atwood. She said something to you about Sage. Did you have you ever saged your house or done anything like that? I think she was like, I'm gonna go out to her and talk about a sage and I'm gonna go the devils keep finding me. They it's not working and it's not strong enough. I sage all the time. I need to stick the sage up my butt. Like it's not it's not enough . I've got the evil eye thing everywhere. These fuckers keep getting through. Um yeah, I do. So okay, fine. So Lisa or Bri? Uh Bri I love. Um yeah, I think then And who should we um who should we ban? Who's on the no entry? No entry. Anyone that was in the manosphere doc aside, Louis Threw. Fine. I know you've probably had that before, but I I have to. No, that's a good one. That's good. I what I to what I I stand by this if you listen to it. I'd love to have Tiki Toki here just to grill him in front of my audience of women and see if he ha could handle the hate. Oh I like that. Do you know what I mean? You handle the hate. But I just I also fear that it's actually it's so not funny., like right But I feel like I wouldn't be able to take it serious because I actually think have you seen the guy impersonating him ? Uh I think with the sculp with the cap on and the I got my brother to do it. I got him to put a ball cap on and paint on a little beard and sit on my mum's lap. It's absolutely just it's a different world, isn't it? It's a different world. And it's not funny. These poor young boys out there that think that that's aspirational. It's scary. It's scary. It's scary. Yeah, let's leave it there. Very serious. It's a very serious podcast now. Guys, it's been a fucking joy to have you in the house. Thank you. It is Joe Bags, everyone. Thank you.