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Do you know that you're an international meme icon? I'm fortunate that I 'm a particular favourite? No, I hate them all . That is obviously how girls are all performed and the five of you were put together. What were your impressions of each other? I remember Cheryl seemed like Souchy. And then I get to know her and I was like, okay yeah, I was like, wow, there's a gem and I advantages . The way you guys were styled had such a cultural impact, I think we can blame you guys for us all wearing pencil skirts to the club. You're all wearing office attire to the club. Why now? Sarah Harding tragically lost her life to breast cancer in twenty twenty one at the tender age of thirty nine. What was your first impression of Sarah? Did she was mad? She was screaming. She had like tiny week bunches, but she was like, oh wow . And I was like, Oh God . And then I saw a completely different side. Very sensitive. When she shared her diagnosis with you , what went through your head. She was told this was gonna be her last Christmas and it was like surely somebody's gotten it wrong. Yeah. Maybe this is all just a dream, actually , this, but it wasn't . Hi dolls, welcome back to Olivia's house. Now if you can't tell or you're just listening to this episode, we are doing something a little bit different tonight. We are doing a live recording of the podcast and we have an audience. Yes . That was very good. I didn't even actually practice that . Before we get started, I want to say a huge thank you to Tombola who have teamed up with the UK's leading breast cancer charity breast cancer now to bring you today's episode. At Tombola, they're all about community and looking out for your friends was exactly what this partnership is about. Nearly half the women in the UK not checking their breasts regularly and one in ten never having checked at all, they're on a mission to raise awareness basically lean on community as what Tombow is all about, Baisily encouraging your friends to check their breasts. And later in the episode we'll be joined by the CEO of breast cancer now, Claire Rowley to answer some questions from the audience . But right now today's guest, this is a canon of event for me as I'm letting you know guys, you have no idea is Actual Pop Royalty. She is one part of one of the biggest girl bands in British history and responsible for some of the most iconic pop songs of the two thousands and one of the funniest women ever on the internet if not intentionally Guys, can we give it up for Nadine Coral . Do you know that you're an international meme icon ? I mean, look, I haven't seen some of the memes unfortunately unfortunately for me and I always anytime there's like some sort of meme situation I always look my worst vy like the worst day possible so yes no it's Is there a particular favourite? No, I hate them all . I hate every single one, but I just have to love with it and you're like, I didn't even think, I didn't even think that was funny. I like loads of them, I don't get it. I think that's why they're so good 'cause it's always funny when people don't know that they're being funny. Nadine I'm here at my house. We have a little house policy Okay which is just a little I think it's a little way to reset before we get into the chat. I always ask my guest ifs there's something they'd like to leave at the door. They're going to ban from the room. This becomes a sacred space. Yes. Nadine, what would you like to ban today? I am going to ban today the like and I know it's the way of the world , but you know whenever you have to upload or do some sort of internet every day WhatsApp groups and I can't even like deal with that with my own daily day admin you know and never mind like the internet world. I mean, I think these are all great . But I find it difficult to do that. Like are you getting on social media and people are like, hey guys, any jumping on Yeah just jumping on like some people like just post a picture of anything. Like, you know, have you drank a water today? Post that I'm like, No, no nobody wants to see my water . So yeah, that's my thing. Guys, how do we feel about Internet and jumping on? Are we like loving? it Are we tired of it? That was a collective without taking a breath. We're tired. It's exhausting, isn't it? It's exhausting. And then I feel it as well because I always feel like I would say that being an influencer is like my default B job. Like it's just it comes with the territory. 'Cause you're going to be so good at it, that's what the thing am I? Yes, you're your publicist would have a different viewpoint on that . 'Cause I do that, I just post and think later. But it seems natural. Like it does seem like you're like, I'm just doing this because of this. Like and I remember 's a tie isn't it? It else and it's just the thinking of it and the , you know, they're like, what am I supposed to do? I just completely go blank. Even even out there, somebody was trying to take a picture and I was like, and I get really awkward . Like, I've never had a picture taken before in my life. I immediately clamp up . I think what's so special about you and being the celebrity that you've experienced is that you were famous before all this . So you became famous at times before you had to do any of this. It was like the magazines, the newspapers, all of that, but you didn't have to get online, you didn't have to push your music that way. Are you glad that you got to experience that before Instagram live? Definitely. I mean, I can only imagine. I believe that my reputation will be very different if there had been the internet and people could like sneakily tech pictures of me and stuff. I know it would be a whole different conversation . I kind of would love to know how that conversation would go now . I want to take you right back to pop stars the rivals . I mean, I remember it like it was Yes. I remember Davina and the bands. It was just it was such a we was such an era of sit down telling, you know, like it was like excitement, bums on chairs . I mean, what was it like to live it? How vivid are those memories for you? Still so strong and still I see people you know, that, still work on TV that was the maybe the one that was walking me onto the stage and the minute I see them I have immediate PTSD and I think, oh my god what song am I singing? Like I have a dry throat like you, know it, just reminds you of all of us of all of those times. It was so intense . And I remember very early on thinking, you know, because you would see maybe the groups of fans outside would get more and more and more . I was like, this is so funny. Like last a month I was at school or I was doing and it became really apparent that it was just like just because there was a camera there. Just this little camera lens was the difference between me doing it on the st age and the person outside that was coming that wanted to be a singer or wanted an autograph. And I was like, Oh my god like that tiny wee camera is so powerful like what it can do is I know it's just changed just completely changed your life. How scary were those Saturday nights when you were singing live in front of the nation ? And you were so young. Yeah, you were so young. So scary. I remember Sam but I like give me like a little tablet, you know, they're like they were like it'll just melt in your mouth, you know, because my mouth was so dry. It was there. I did sput it before I went on. I was like, there's nothing this is so terrible in. I can't only imagine that is obviously how girls performed and the five of you were put together. What were your what were your impressions of each other out of the gate? So Kimberly and I shared a room. Actually, at the beginning , Sarah and I shared a room and Kimberly wasn't in the original twelve girls that were there. Okay . And then Kimberly was in the in the house and Kimberly and I had met in the rehearsal so that was great. And then Sarah moved in another room . And then I remember Cheryl seemed like so shy , you know, like she was like so sweet and so shy and then I get to know her and I was like, okay, yeah, I was like, wow, there's a gemini banan a . She's not . But yeah, it was so it was like it was like you just get and they know them and obviously they were then Nicola came on a but later as well and she was me and Nicola were really young. We were seventeen at the time. Wild to think, isn't it? Crazy. So we actually had to have Kena Chaperon still. Like, you know, like a lady called Irene, who she was amazing. Irene , get up and say you've got lying anymore. Irene, I've send me prayers Five more minutes. So all about she'll bring me on tea and toast and stuff. So Walls there was kind of that I think because we weren't eighteen. We needed somebody , you know, to have some kind of an idea on us. So we were that young. What was it like all living together there? Who was the messiest . He was the messiest. Got that room, the room the reason why Sarah left the room is because I took it upon myself to tidy that room 'cause I think there was like five of us on there and it was a mess . And I was like, I cannot . So I took everybody's stuff off every bathroom, every sideboard, every toothbrush, and I'd sat everything down and Sarah thought I had just taken her stuff down. She was like, Are you trying to move me? I don't hear, I'll just move. I was like, no, look , it's fuck we dirt. But I don't know he'll. Are you a clean girl? I am a clean girl now. Yeah me too. I don't like mess . It sends me like I can't relax in a messy space. Absolutely not. It would be. So I just I couldn't live with it anymore. I was like tossing and turning to just see like the mould you just grow in and it was like, why is this allowed to be? Yeah. But yeah, so that was that was I don't know who it was. It was a collective. You definitely created some of the most iconic music videos of all time. We were just talking backstage car in, we give Carin Darnell makeup artist shower. Who's my makeup artist now? Who worked on your first video sound of the undergrad and I saw her walking on today and I was like Carin which is and when I was prepping for this chat with you today I, was talking to Wesson. She was like, Oh my God, I was there. And I was like, No, this is like a sign. This is like a full circle moment. It's insane. What was it like shooting that first video? Was that when you first thought, Oh my god we're pop stars? Do you know it was that's what you would think? I think everybody you're always waiting for that moment when you're like , this is that. This is that, you know, this is the moment, you know, we've made it, but I don't think it ever really lands. Occasionally you have like some moments, but like as you know yourself, when the workload is so much , it's hard to enjoy what you're doing because you're doing it and then the minute that's done you're onto the next thing and you're on to the and you're prepping for something else and something else. So you can have those moments of that looks great, which it does sound like the underground video still looks great. But I remember the day even Karen and I were talking about it. We were like, We were frozen . We were dirty . We were up all nights. Yeah . You never want to whenever I talk to anyone in the industry , I'm like, they get it. Like you make TV shows, they look, and I don't wanna ruin it for anyone ever trying to look for the magic, but often you say the things that look so fab behind the scenes are the least glam. I'm sort of if you're on location filming something for a couple of days, it gets pretty it gets pretty tough. It does. Even like a full music video at the end of it, everybody's graymate. You know, you're like, ooh , don't watch too close . No good advice. That took twenty four hours to film, is that correct? The least. And it was the worst one as well. We were boston out of costumes. We were like stuck together with g affa tape . That's no word of a lie. The costumes though were iconic. Like and I really feel like because it's different now. Music video is just not what they were. I don't know if people if they even do them instead of scale anymore, but the way you guys were styled had such a cultural impact. I was talking to someone about biology. Yes. You know when you're all in the hair salon and you all have the pencil skirts on, I think we can blame you guys for us all wearing pencil skirts to the club because that imprinted we were all wearing office attire to a club. I know. Well, they hadn't even had a real job yet and I had a suit there . And I remember I think the biology you'd all ch anged your hair slightly. Like I think Nicola had gone with this really dark red color. Yeah. And it was one of you. And I remember I printed off on my dad's computer on A for a color image of one of you to take Tony and guys to show how I will that's how we used to do it. Like that isn't that insane. I remember my dad was acting like he'd never financially recovered for me printing something or ink. Like he was blues and he's like, oh shit and I was like it's just what we did wasn't it? You don't see only way. Or you like found a magazine and you store it and you kept it with me and custom Yeah until your next hairdresser and you're like this is it One of the Appleton sisterss, that' what I want. Yeah . Was there any outfits that stood out for you that you either loved or hated that stick in your memory? Hated the No Good Advice. Collectively, I hated all of our outfits. We all did It's not that funny then we were all like so influenced and you were like, We don't like 'em. I know, but it was too late like often you know, like things are put together and then you're like it's too late night. You know, you think everybody shosot today like you don't have any it was you just get on wet. Gaffa tape? Gaffeta . Did you keep any ? Do you know, I've actually saw those red belts today at my red belt because there's just like gluta boxes, gluta stuff so there's loads of like archive things . And I've ended up somewhat with a lot of the gear's costumes as well. So it's funny when you look in and you're like, I remember this so well. This was from this day or this day or this definitely wasn't mine. So I have to get them back all other butts. That's amazing . You and Sarah always particularly close . Sarah Harding tragically lost her life to breast canc er in twenty twenty one at the tender age of thirty nine . You guys were like poin wallet sisters, is fair to say. I'd love to talk to you about her . What was your first impression of Sarah? Did she was mad? She was completely mad. She was screaming. She had like tiny wee k bunches, blown bunches. Do you remember that? She was like, Oh wow . And I was like, Oh God no . Oh no . And then we were because it was a bag like a dish, then you had been whittled down and then we were all in the house together . And then we had shared their and then I saw a completely different side , a whole different side, very sensitive , very well educated , you know, reads books, really insightful . So she just had all of like, you know, the best kind of qualities that a person could have, including that mad energy as well. She was super smart. So smart. So smart and good fun. And I think that from the outside looking, she always looked like she was the one making you guys laugh and you know going on wild nights and sort of creating stories. Do you have any particular memories that come to mind when you think of her? We have so many. I bet. Oh my God, we have so many. Let me think of one . Was one of the times when we came to LA. She came L DaAily. I was in and she came DA and then she had this notion that she was going to rent a car. So she rented a red mustang , but she had never driven like in America or driven on that side of the road or done all of those things. So I met her at the Shutter's Hotel in Santa Monica and we get under the car and we're going to head to like somebody's house party in Malibu and it's like amazing. And then she couldn't get the car going on the car was like and I was like, we can't take on doing motorways like that what are we going to do ? So I was like, Wait, let me try it, let me. So I ended up driving this mustard the whole way to this party in Malaby somewhere to where so then I have to be not taking a drink the whole time. Then I have to like sit and be civilized. Not that it's fine. You can be a designated driver once in a while. Yeah. But I had to do it and I was like, oh, it wasn't the plan. It was not my plan . Then we came back that night and the, you know, the roof was down and Sarah was just having a ball hanging out going down the PCH living her best living . As I'm like chugging along in this like red massive bug moustangling and her just like love on her , it was great. It was born inside her. For her she had a wall she had a chauffeur. She had the mustang. Insurra's book Hay Me Out, she spoke so beautifully about your friendship and how much comfort you gave her after her diagnosis . She talks about an evening you spent together eating cheese, crying and laughing after finding out that she had breast cancer. At one point, you turned to her and said, You don't understand, Sarah. I love you. Oh . What do you remember about that night you spent together? I think the night she's talking about because we had done we had loads of fun times and the nights like there was a night that I had went up to she was living in Manchester at the time, this gorgeous house and we'd went out and got she wanted like Langistines and would I remember she wanted quail's eggs and celery salt. I can't pass a quail's egg without a bit of celery salt these days. I suggest try it. It's very good . And always think of syrup. So we were like cooking and we had like other friends around and I just remember it being like but and she was she was told this was going to be our last Christmas but it's like so we went and got a Christmas tree, we got everything to decorate the Christmas tree, get all that food, they like have a lovely night and decorate it. And it was like, but that can't be real . Like surely somebody's gotten it wrong . Like it can't be, what do you mean you're blask? There's no way that that can be real . It's so huge. It's almost unfathomable. Unfathomable. It's like, what do you mean but there's no way there's no and I was like it just can't that just can't happen there's just no I'm just gonna refuse to believe that that's just part of just don't believe them. Maybe they're maybe it's all some sort of bag sex joke or maybe we're dreaming and it was like COVID time still . So everything was weird. Everything was you were like, maybe this is all just a dream actually , this, but it wasn't . When she shared a diagnosis with you , what went through your head ? I thought again naively I have known people that have, you know, that have had breast cancer or dumb things and have survived . I thought this is, you know, just going to be a thing that just needs to be handled and needs to be taken care of and dealt with. And then, you know, that'll be a chapter on the book that will continue year after year after year, but it's such a serious , scary , you know, she was so young as well. She was so young so you don't think at that young that you're not like, you know, and even it's difficult or, you know, for people so young to get screened. Yes. So many things that we're all trying to work on. We're here to hopefully make sure that we can get people, you know, the awareness and where people are taking care of themselves and their friends. If someone that could be here or listening to this episode who is supporting a friend or a relative through that journey of breast cancer, what would be your kind of advice on how to approach that? My approach was just to be just the fun time care. We're not talking about that. I'm not a doctor. I'm not a scientist. I can't help you at all with that with anything, but we can have a laugh. I can cook for you, I can clean up after you, I can, you know, we can just go and just have a laughs 'cause that's really providing an escape from that reality . I was an escape. Did you guys manage to laugh all the way through pretty much until the end and keep that joy. Yes, absolutely. I think that is such a powerful, incredible thing and something that probably was such a saviour for her. Yeah. She has a laugh and dark times and really was she was so brave . She was so brave. She was so like poised with it all and she was just so just so brave like it almost like it doesn't even bother her at all. She was trying to be strong for everybody else . I was like, You can't you don't have to bear and she's like fine is this you know, she was just so she was so stoic through us . What is something that you wish people knew about Sarah? You know, you knew her on a real level and like the public knew her for what they saw or consumed. What is something you wish they knew about her? Sarah, just the biggest soft day, sweetheart that I think people know. I think if you look and you're looking through that you can see it and her yes she was like she was in a warmth so warm so she would have never seen somebody in a room sitting by themsel ves or lonely or like isolated or any of those things . Really lovely lovely laugh, loved their animals . Have fun , just all the best things . They know that people get great quality. You guys, obviously the band you came back for your reunion tour , which had I think it had that beautiful mix of remembering Sarah and also celebrating her because you had you had all the big hits and you did the big performance , but you did the beautiful performance or the promise with the hologram of her behind. How emotional was that performing that song and having that imagery of her? To watch was like is so moving. I can't even imagine what it was like for you guys. Yeah. And it was done a whole lot of history as well and she and it keeps on singing da da da da and that was like an outro too and that was that was almost harder than the promise . You could kind of see we had to walk back and then see her walking away and us walking away and it was like she should be walking off with us. And you know, and I still forget. I think that anybody that knows or has experienced with grief, you have loads of moments where you forget that it happened . You know, so you're like, I have a look for her and be like, Oh my god, she's not there like damn it, I really just thought she was just gonna be there . So yeah, it's it comes and goes, you know? What do you think she would have thought of the reunion and you guys being back together like that. She would have thought it was amazing. She would have said that we were dancing far too much that we would need to take Somi and Sarah used to do we would step out of the hardcore danc ing and let the other three guards like, you know, like just go for a fall because they love doing that. I mean, Sarah would be like harmonizing something in the background. Just a bit of swaying of . But no. I was like, No, sir, I have to do all of this dancing. Now that I don't have any to step out with so yeah, but she would have loved it. She would have had loads of fun. She would have said that we were being far too sensible, I reckon. We were very sensible. What is in like on do you have any nights out or were you like different it was very different? It was the first time . Yeah, it was very different day for the first tour round. And we all thought that. It just felt so everything about it, it felt really different. It felt quite serious and quite grown up just in the way that it was so sensitive with the subject of Sarah. And because I think people knew that she was alb, but they didn't know she was that ill . So I'd think it was like she was there and then she's not . So it was almost like going through those emotions together with the audience and having that. So it's kind of somber and you know sober and in a way so like kind of when you came up on, you must have felt physically tired when the dancing and then emotionally drained. Like you're probably thinking I need to like get my head into bed. Exactly that. Yeah, that was kind of about your life, okay? You've spoken. I think Cheryl spoken a little bit about feeling her presence in random places . What's an example of a time when you feel that she's there? Definitely on her. Definitely anything to do with Gerdloid. You feel that she's somebody's missing. They'd absolutely, you know, say if we were all sitting here , you don't quite you're not quite ready. You're waiting for someone else. next The one , you're waiting for her specifically. Yeah. Two commands. So as much as they know it was lovely. It was very different, like very different without her. Was there a story about some headphones moved? Yes. Yes, they jumped, they physically jumped. So she had just passed away the day before. I was doing a show in Dublin that I couldn't leave from day go and we were all sitting there and I have multiple witnesses . And all of a sudden we were talking about her and literally the headphones jumped from there like literally jumped off and landed on the floor. And that was the first day we were like, Oh my god there must be some sort of like weird something going on when it happened again by this point because it was in the hair and makeup room Yeah, everybody just kind of jumped back and we're like what is going on . And I was like, Are you a really powerful soul? And he'd be like you just got there. Like do you know what I mean? Like you're like running things up there already you're able to move headphones. She's come to mess with you already on day. He's just got her And did you believe in stuff like that before? Totally. Yes, I've always been open to that. Always been open, but I would always ask like, I don't want to see any ghosts. Like no ghostly presence of, you know , like no when you think of ghosts you think like you writes and stuff. And in a way, I think of like a pirate ghost and show up no , I believe, but I don't want to say . But that was great to say. Yeah, because that must although probably shocked you provide a level of comfort to know that she's with you guys. Yeah, my sights are that wonderful. Like just it felt so powerful . And then it felt like it was absolutely coming from her because there was nothing else. It would be like one of those cups or your headphones jumping off the table right now. It's incredible. It'd be like, Hey, what is Andre there? What? And the show was in the car and the song came on. Is that right ? I heard that . Oh, yes. It wasn't it? That's what I read when I was researching guys. She was driving and the radio just turned on and it was one of your songs. Yeah, I think it was actually one of Sarah's songs. I think it was like one of hers or something that she had just done just by herself. And it just came. Just came on when she was driving. Yeah . This is wild, isn't it? Nadine, now obviously friendship is at the core of everything Tom Berder does and their new research with breast cancer now actually proves how powerful friendship really is. They found that over half of women are more likely to check their breasts just because a friend remind ed them. You and Sarah clearly had that incredible bond. Do you think a nudge from a friend is a good way to get other women checking their breasts? Absolutely. I think it we talk about everything else. Yeah. We talk about everything . If you get a bad manicure I know it's going to be discussed in depth . But we're not going to talk about like these really important things that we really make sure you do at it the night when you get under the shower or the bath, you know, before bed, like we should be doing that checking out in those ways because ultimately , those things are life and death and things can be found sooner and can be sort of it's worth us keeping keeping on top of one another. Because it's one of those things that you do and then you suddenly don't realize how long it's been since you've done it. Yeah . And I don't know if anyone else has experienced this, but it's like I had a lump in it was twenty twenty one. I had this lump removed from my breast and it was benign but it was a decent it was a pretty big lump but it was, you know, luckily it was nothing sinister but then I went through a stage after that I almost became fearful . I didn't want to touch my boobs. I actually was I didn't want to feel even though you know finding it and having it removed and bioxyed was obviously all of that was really lucky and I'm glad I then I didn't put off. And I know a lot of my friends they almost go, I don't want to I'm scared. It's like, but we can't, like you say, die out of the fear of because the sooner it's caught or found, the more treatable it is. Yeah . But like you say, there's so much I think us Brits are quite prudish about our bodies, our nudity and all that stuff. And we talk about everything else of our girlfriends. Like, you know, my friends know things about me against their will that they are like yeah that information didn't need to be shared It's the job. I know things about them their bodies. I know things about their partner's bodies I mean I had to look opposite their partner at a dinner table I think, I know things, about you, sir, that I really don't want to know. Do you know what I mean? But then when it comes to our sexual health, our, you know, our breast, there is there is an awkwardness there . And you know, Tom Bola is obviously commun ity is a big part of what they do. And the chat's part of their site and their app, women are talking about everything. I was talking to some of the team here at Tombola saying people on Tombola are talking and reminding each other. And I just think that it's probably a good thing we could all do is drop it in the in the WhatsApp chat or whoever's watching Love Island tonight or you sat there, just check your boobs it just and look don't just check like with feeling but look for changes . Is it something that you remind your pals more now? Are you more forefront of your mind than it ever was, I'm sure? Like again because Sarah was so young and it was one other you're not taking it as seriously as what it means to be taken there's a naivety to think that well , this isn't my problem yet. This is an older woman's problem and it's not the case. It's not the case at all unfortunately. Yeah, you know, and it's just it's just becoming more, more and more people are being touched by it. So as that kind of and that's a great idea you're watching like a habit. Like I would try to tend to be okay, I'm the shower. You're on the shower on the bath . That's a good time. And there's no time is too early to start you know and have it be part of your routine . So it's like the automatic like reaction of okay this is my routine and then this is now part of it . So it doesn't feel like you've completed your routine until you've done that. Yeah. But then checking in with our girlfriends and making sure have you done your thing? Look, have you done your red light therapy? Have you done this? Because you all the useless crap that we all subscribe to do arance wise , that is something to put into your routine that you don't really life saver. How has your view on life changed in sort of the wake of Sarah's losing Sarah . Did it change your perspective on life? Definitely. Definitely. You don't just especially because she was so full of life. You just see that, you know, old change in somebody so bright and it's something , you know, like breast cancer is just one of those things. Some people you can find a way and you can , you know , find a way to love the rest of your life so keep on top of it, but for her, it wasn't the case. And it's just you can't take anything for granted . Not a single thing can you take for granted ? And that was really that you have to really kind of be in the moment and love in the moment and make the most of that moment because I know it sounds so cheesy, but it really does make such a difference. Such, such a difference . And I think that I was having conversation with someone earlier about the fear that women have towards aging. And don't get me wrong right, I'm not going to sit here and say that I'm going to stop Botox I'm very I don't want to look like I'm in alive foragers but I'm grateful to be alive . Does that make sense? Yeah , do you get what those words going to say here? Completely. I remember like when I was like twenty eight, twenty nine it's like I remember hearing other women oh my go,d I'm gonna be thirty and you know, all that sort of doom talk around, oh my god I've won you're thirty it's all over. Like being my thirties is my favorite age I've ever been in. Like I wouldn't even want to go back to my twenties and every age I get to, I feel more grateful and I enjoy life so much more. So it's like and it is a privilege to make it to every milestone that not everyone gets to see. So I feel like it's really leaning into that. And like say, living life to the fullest. Yeah. And also, I think when terrible things happen, and even having this conversation with you and talking about Sarah and how sick she was, it puts a lot of things in perspective . The stuff that we all like stress about a daily basis is like so much of it is just so trivial and we let it consume us like you say we don't we never know how long we've got here so kind of and I think that you worried about, you know, a couple wrinkles or like , should I just go over and get that face left? Or it's like who do you know what I have found, right? I'll tell you, I find the secret to your happiness and like feeling good about yourself. Am I sad that I thought you were safe secrets were looking youthful because I was like, No, I'm not . And then you've gone happy fucked No , give us that . I can't say that. No, no, I couldn't say that in heaveno . But the secret to it's almost like it's like delusion , right ? And if you beauty light your house , so if your lights if, your bathroom mirrors or your leather murs or whatever and you look beautiful , then it's not my business. I've left the house looking gorgeous. If somebody sees something else, that's their eyes playing trick . As far as I'm concerned , I have left looking gorgeous. There's never been anybody more beautiful and me and my sister recently and she was like, my God, I look great at my skin . And I was like, I know . And I'm like, this is like lots beautifully . And then my got to somewhere else we were flying. She was like, Oh my God, my skin has just fallen apart overnight, overnight . And I'm like, You see this but you don't wear yourself out, you just like set your lights , always find the best light for yourself and then move on. I'm not obsessing. That's a good thing. Somebody else . And then that's their problem to obsess it over me. I choose not to. I'm taking a beam deluged. Yeah. The secret is actually I pride myself in being super self aware , but I think that some of the delusional people in my life are much happier than me. Maybe we need to leave self awareness at the door . Yes. We all did a little bit more detail . No, why not? Like I can say to you, you have good stunning skin. So I can be like, Oh my god, we have such solar skin. My skin is like so the same where I look at my daughter who's twelve and I'm like, wow, and then I'll see mine. Oh my gosh, there's quite a difference between twelve and forty . But I don't have to know I don't have to go like looking tea closely. I just not gonna do it to myself. Oh my god, that was a brilliant take. Nadine, thank you for talking so candidly to me about your beautiful friend and with all of us. Honestly, feel very grateful to have that conversation with you and also of course spreading awareness for breast cancer and breast cancer now and encouraging the gals to check their boobs. I'm going to play a little game with you if you're up for it. We love a game here in the house Yes So we me and the team we've devised a little who's most likely to. Okay , girls allowed addition. Ooh, okay . Okay , who is most likely to forget the words on stage? Me, absolutely. I done it on this recent tour and I actually forgot the word so badly that I was like I'm singing the wrong words. I couldn't even think what the word and I sang in a Dairy accent as well. I didn't even try to put on my singing accent. I was like, Wait, what's the singing accent? Oh, you have to sing in a single, I can't sing in a dairy accent. Breathe that way is that the songs that you know would not be the songs that you know. It would be very even thought of that. Yeah . But you just performing at Pride recently. Yes. Did you have the best time? So good. So good. Which pride was it? I'd done Birmingham Pride and then I'd done New York Pride just a couple of ones. Yeah. They're out all summer on doing for it. They're not easing it up yeah. We have spent so many years together and we still do. So the summer is now like pride summers like festivals, prides. We are out like and I started doing them some years ago and I would want to go to the smallest city available. Like I don't even want to know the name of it. Like I've never heard of this before because those are the places that need theide Pr festivals that need to bring it under the smaller communities. Obviously we've got huge ones in London, but it's the smaller towns that you're like, yeah, we're going to go and we're going to be proud and we're going to enjoy this and you know, for like people that might not necessarily want to bring it up to their parents like I've had this time and kick time again. They'll come to the show because they're like, Oh mom loves you, you're mine. And then they can come in and they'll be like, by the way, I'm gay as well. And then it's all part of the , you know, the whole thing. So yes, I'm very proud to be part of that community amazing. Okay, who's most likely to turn up late to rehearsals? Me Are they all gonna be united ? You see, I also believe that time is like a construct . You know? Does this feed into the Lolo fairy? Yeah. I don't want to be shackled. I believe I believe in quality over quantity . So it's got to be good quality time. I can't just like rock up at the crocodile and be like give my best work. I need to like I need to like ease on that. What's what's it what's a sort of palaceful time for you ? Anytime after two PM , that's a good time. Who's most likely to mess up choreography . Well, as I explained earlier, like the other three girls are really anti choreography. They love it. They get a domino kick out of it, love a dance, love a breakdown , you know? And I'm like, Oh good, not that, not homego, that's wrong, but I'm just not like, I didn't do any like dance classes, you know, like when you're younger, it wasn't your thing. It just wasn't my thing . So now I have to concentrate way more and then I sometimes just and I'm left handed and they're all right handed . So then we have to like make adjustments. So yeah, the choreography sometimes I'm like , this doesn't really need to be choreographed. I feel like this mat needs to be free. Free style, we're gonna free style . Who's most likely to be the last standing at a party? Definitely me . Although Kimberly can put on a good shift. Can she? You can , like, make no mistake about it. Number day on a good night. She's nice fun. We'd actually dad have like our one crazy night under her. We stayed up late and it was in Dublin and we dad I had to walk her to bed . And I had to like knock on the door and I was her husband. I was like, Justin, come get your wife. Who's most likely to lose their passport on tour? Never me. I've never done such a Heidi Queen. I've actually, despite , you know, a popular opinion, I've actually never lost my passport . You had such now because you just drinks the life of yourself . Well, yes , wood touch wood tree . Yeah . I'd love an olive tree level . Oh, I'm making a push for a real olive tree just budget dependent. Also, we have no light in the studio so I'd need someone to take them up to the street once a week to get some daylight. We're looking into who we would need like the roll, like a plant sitter or somebody to take that once a day. That's just so oprah of me. I don't even quite there yet. Yeah. So passport, who's who loses mostly do you know what if I was to say Necla I'm going to say I mean I think we're all quite organized but also the term manager will hold all of that stuff so that's already our problem. Thankfully and it shouldn't be either . Who is most likely start laughing in the middle of something serious ? Do you know, I think Cheryl? Do she get the giggles? She gets the giggles and she like tears come out of her eyes I have a friend like that. She does that's crying in the moment straight away with a crying and you're like, but it's crying laughing so it's that sound less. You know, like that like a wheezy like and then you need to get someone and you need to get her tushy and she's yeah she's that gonna laugh for you Who's most likely to reveal a banned secret by accident . Well, I just need to know when the boy that has secrets. I need to be like, I need to be specifically told is this. Somebody's like, The Danish is like not to be shared. Yeah, it's like this and I'm like, but I'm like, Not to be shared with who you're like , Who specifically have to be shared? I could tell you . Oh my god, that was good fun. I feel like that was you for most of them . Most Yeah, I know . So obviously today we're partnering with breast cancer now and Tom Bola. So I'd like to invite to the stage, please, CEO of Breast Cancer Now, Claire Rowny . Hello, thank you so much for joining the chat. You are CEO of Breast Cancer Now. Tell me how did breast cancer now come to exist? How did you guys form this charity? It's an interesting story because it's actually lots and lots of charities that over the years have merged. So we're now by far actually the biggest breast cancer charity in the UK and we combine the power of research with supporting people every day with breast cancer. So it's a really magical job. I'm really lucky to do it. That's incredible. So lots of smaller sort of independent charities and they've all come together to form this powerhouse that you guys are What's a day like for you on a sword? What's an average day look like? Honestly, it's such a fun job because there's no average day. So today it's exciting so I'm getting to do this and that's been great. I was with a donor this morning who had just given us two million pounds. Wow. I know. So it's like incredible. And then some days, unfortunately, I'm in risk and governance meetings. And we're talking about all the terrible things that could happen . But it's a really lovely job. I always say it's the best job I've ever had. So super varied and I'm sure obviously so rewarding. Yeah, my goodness. Like you were talking about perspective earlier and it's just one of those things. When you do a job like this, you're blessed every day with an amazing perspective on life and you really, really don't worry about the small stuff. Absolutely. We have some questions here from some audience and listening questions , so I'll get into it. That's okay. Rebecca's asked, as a breast cancer survivor, I found that once treatment ended, the aftercare and emotional adjustment were actually the hardest part. What support is available for people navigating this stage? Yeah, that's it's really true. We hear that a lot that people often say, I feel like I've fallen off a cliff. So when you have a breast cancer diagnosis, you hear those words. There's a pathway that you're on. You know, you're seeing your oncologist, you're seeing your breast canc er nurse. You know you've got treatments, they're all scheduled for you . And it feels like all of these arms were around you . And then you basically have your last treatment and they say, okay, off you go . And you're like, what? You feel a little bit thrown out the nest . Exactly. And that's really where we step in. So we I mean, we help people all the way along from the time they hear those words. But at the end, we run courses for people. So we run this course called Moving Forward, which helps people to in a group with other people who have had similar diagnoses and are at a similar point, get on with their lives and talk about the things that they're really worried about. We've got a nurse's helpline . somet Soimes people are just worried about signs and symptoms, they're worried that it's come back. They can call us, we can tell them about the things to look for, the things to worry about and so on. And then we also do this kind of peer to peer where we can p air people up and they can kind of go through it together and people find that really helpful and we help families and friends because of course a lot of people don't really know how to support their family member or friend , so that must be I put that question to Nadine which she answered so beautifully supporting a friend or a family with a diagnosis, that must be a question that you get asked a lot on how is best to help. Yeah. What are some of your kind of top tips if they were on helping someone? Nadine gave a great answer because sometimes well, first of all, you want your friends to be normal. Yes. I was actually diagnosed with breast cancer last year. So having been the CEO of breast cancer now , I then heard all of that. And so I was able to experience it for myself. And the best thing were the people I had a laugh with, all of you know, like just the normality . When you're going through all of the treatments and you come out the other side , you just want people to see you for you, not for you as a breast cancer survivor or somebody who's got breast cancer. So you sound like you're an amazing friend to Sarah . But yeah, so that to really just ask, you'll also ask what people are thinking. Sometimes they do want some food or someone to tidy up or just to watch TV together or, you know , absolutely . Scarlett has asked, breast cancer has affected both my nan's one in early life and one later in life. Are there pre screening options available before you're invited for a Scan? Yeah . So I'm sorry to hear about both grandmas . So there are. So there's a family history assessment that happens in the UK. Okay . So if you have had close family members affected by breast cancer and you're worried about that, just you can talk to your GP and they will refer you if you kind of hit the criteria. But they tend to be things like if more than two members of your family have had breast cancer, certainly if people have had breast cancer under the age of forty . And if you're found to be at higher risk, you will either if it's kind of a risk that's moderate you'll, have regular screening . So that will be a mammogram, for example. And if you're at high risk, then a clinician will talk to you about screening. They might talk to you about medication and even risk reducing surgery. But there's lots that can be done people that are at high risk. So essentially, you find out from the GP what risk category you fall into and then they will let you know what screening options are available to you. Yeah, the GP will refer you to family a assessment clin ic in a hospital. So there's another step for the GP is a good place to start or people can just call our helpline and we can help them sort of navigate the system. Okay . Laura's asked if everyone in this room could just do one thing after the day, what would you want it to be? Well, this is why the partnership with Tomba is so brilliant because it's all about breast checking. So about two thirds of breast cancers show up when people are checking themselves so not through mammograms, not through anything else, but people notice something that's different . So I would say the number one thing is get to know your breasts . There are no rules, there's no particular way you need to do it, but other than to feel them and to look at them because some of the signs and symptoms you can only feel and some of them you can only see . And then the next step is if you're worried go to your GP, so you were talking weren't you about, I just don't want to know. And that's really not uncommon . But if you find something, go, and the reason I would say go is if breast cancer is found at stage one, so like at the early stage of the tumor is small, survival rate's about ninety eight percent. Wow. So it's really high . But the further it gets to develop, the lower your chances of survival for five years. So at stage four, which means you've had breast cancer in your breast and it spreads to another part of your body , survival rates over five years were only at about twenty seven percent. Yeah. So it jumps off the wheelchair does. And I think, you know, the interesting thing I think about breast cancer is a lot of people think it's a done deal. They think, Oh, well, loads of people survive. You said that . And lots of people do survive , but it's still the biggest killer of working age women in the UK . It's still the cancer women are most likely to get. And you know, around sixty thousand women each year get it . twenty Ab peroutcent of them are under fifty . So about ten thousand people under fifty get breast cancer each year. So these are big gest big much bigger than I had realized . Yeah . So keep tracking and go to your GP if you're worried about anything. And like you said, those visual signs as well. So it's like through your cycle obviously your breaths change, they can feel hard, they can feel hard. So is it just knowing what your normal is and then right noticing when something's different. Exactly. And it is just exactly that 'cause sometimes it can just be a rash, you know, and you don't think that could be a yeah, it can be a sign of breast cancer. It can be a bit of puckering, it can be a lump, which is obviously the one people sort of most commonly know, but there are seven there are seven signs and symptoms. You can look at them on our website on the Tombeda website. Yes. Claire, thank you so much. Honestly, this is, you know, really powerful work you're doing along cybertom Bola. Thank you for this partnership and having this conversation today. It's been great. And Nadine, thank you so much. Thank you for talking so candidly about your lovely friend. I'd like to thank again Tom Bola, who teamed up with the UK's leading breast cancer charity breast cancer now to bring us this very special live recording. Find out how to check your breast now by going to the Tom Bola website and the breast cancer now hub, which is easily searchable. And please share this episode with a friend or a family member. Guys, can we just get one more big round of applause from Nadine Coyle and Claire Rowy CEO of breast cancer now? Thrills are in bloom this spring at Borgata online. Sign up using bonus code NJP A Borgatta and choose between two deposit bonus offers. Plus, score up to one thousand bonus spins when you spin the wheel daily for eight days. Visit borgata online dot com for T's and C's. twenty one and over to