Clumsiness and Wedding Beauty Prep

Did you always know you wanted to be a model? I never like wanted to be a model. It just kinda happened. You came up through the time when it was probably especially brutal. I had to be a certain height, a certain weight, I had to be mysterious. That's why I've never done a podcast till now. I' som on it. And then Jack slid into my DMs. Nice. Like every modern romance starts. Does he use you and his stand-up? Yes. I'm like, I feel like I'm using me . What did you want from the wedding when you're going into planning it? I wanted a small wedding and he wanted to. These men need to stand up and be held accountable for being absolute divas. Roxy, you're a proud ambassador for Diabetes UK. I was like, I feel so ill, I need to take myself to hospital. And I discharged myself, went to the Brits thinking I was totally fine, and then that's when I was like having my first hypo Hi dolls, welcome back to Olivia's house. Now my guest today in my house who actually has told me how cozy she thinks the house is, which is what I've always wanted my guests to feel is influencer, model, mum, and newlywed. Everyone, it is Roxy Horner. Hi. Hi, honey. Hi, babe. Before we just started rolling there, um, because you are a month married at this point. Um a month and a bit married. I was like, before we started rolling, I was like, Roxy, should I are you Roxy Whitehall or are you Roxy Horner? Like, and you were like, I don't actually know. It was a weird moment because I had to sign in and I was like what's my name? I don't actually know what my name is legally but I think I need to do like the paperwork for it and I need to double barrel it. It's quite complicated because you actually have to apply for your legal name to be check Yeah, I did it legally on the day. So I'm I'm just so confused what I but it's not on my passport yet, it's not at my doctor's yet, I need to do all of that kind of stuff. Well how do you do you think you wanna be horn a whitehallorn Whitehall H or I think so our daughter has double barrel. She's Whitehall Horner. That's nice. And I wanna be the same as her. Yeah. So I think I'm just gonna keep the Horner on the end. And I actually tried to change my Instagram handle the other day and it wouldn't let me. Yeah. Do you have to like apply to change? And then it like it reviews it. But no, it just declined it for me. And I was just like, but that's my name, I think. I'm worried. So yeah. I like a double barrel. Because I also think it's nice to keep that part of your identity of who you were before you were a wife, you know? Oh, for sure. Like I'm so attached to my name. Like I love my family and I don't wanna like let that go. But I also as soon as I was married, I wanted his name at the same time. I know. It was a weird feeling. I was like, I just want to be a family and like it's really sad. Yeah. We're going to talk all about the wedding. Um before we get into it, you probably are aware of my little format point that we have on the show called Leave It at the Door. Yeah. It's basically I give my guests a chance to leave something outside of the house. Like leave it out on the street. Yeah. What would you like to leave at the door today, Roxy? Bad vibes. Bad vibes. Bad vibes. And also like diabetic I don't know quotes that people use sometimes that are just like not true. So like when we say like diabetic ignorance, like misconceptions. Misconceptions. Yeah, a lot of people say, Oh, you can cure it with cinnamon. Like, literally, people say that to me all the time. Think that's not true. Around health is wild. Wild. Like, honestly, I I I really want to I want you to educate me around diabetes. I think it'll be really good for my audience. Because I think they say there is so much misinformation out there and so many myths around it. Um but let's before we do that, let's take things right back. Yeah. You're an Essex girl. I am an Essex girl. What Essex were you born in? I was uh it's really I've been all over the place. I think I was born in Chelmsford. Nice. Yeah. Love a little bit of Chelpsford High Street. Was it introduced at all? Is that your your you're from Tom? Oh yeah. Is that what faces is ? No. No, it's ganshill, isn't it? No idea. Okay, so you were you're a child must have girl, grew up. Did you always know you wanted to be a model? No, I didn't actually. I'd never I never like wanted to be a model. It just kind of happened. It sort of fell into your lap. It was weird because I was at a clothes show with my mum and I just remember being there and seeing like Amy Winehouse performing, and like she was just up and coming at the time and I was 13. And I'd never even thought about modelling but I was at this like place where there was lots of scouts. Am I right in saying it was the clothes show in Birmingham? No, it was in London. I think it was was it that that clove show that used to be in Birmingham like I think maybe they did them all over the place. And you could like there'll be like catwalks going on, shop yeah, I this is like such a millennial core memory I think. I don't know if it's still happens, but I remember yeah you buy tickets and you go and yeah, I remember this. Yeah. Yeah. And so we were just like walking around like because there's like a little market bit after you see all the fashion shows. And I remember being scouted at thirteen and being so shy. And I was like, Oh my god, not me, like I can't model . But I secretly wanted to. I was like, this is crazy. And so I went home, told my mum, I was like, I think I want to do this. And we went up the next week and I got signed. And so it just kind of happened like really like happened like kind of out of the blue. What did you what were you like at school? What did you think you wanted to be when you grew up? I always say that I was a bit like an in-betweener at school. Oh my god . Because I never I didn't really fit into any kind of crowd but I also got along with everyone. Yeah. So me and my little gang of four people, we just was just like to know just getting by basically a bit nerdy, a bit like are you still friends with girls? Yeah. Well one of the yeah one of my best friends who's still from school. Yeah. Um when When you signed agency, what agency was it? It was Store. Store. Yeah, started out with Store. Kate Moss was there. Like loads of big like it's a big agency. It was a big agency. Yeah, I mean still is, yeah. Did you yeah? Did you have did you that at a age have grass understanding of like kind of how big that was? No. No, I had no idea. And like within a few months I was doing shoots and in magazines, like at 13. So then I went from like being kind of shy at school to coming in and being like, I'm in a magazine, like what the hell? This is crazy. Did it build your confidence? I don't know. I don't know. I think I was just like happy to be somewhere else and not be where I was kind of growing up and like I feel like I always wanted to escape in a way like get out of Essex and just not be there. Yeah because I'm guessing model ing took you away you travelled and was that were you that was your full-time job basically from that point. Yeah, I didn't realise it was gonna be my full time job. Like I still went to college for a year and then I realised that I was getting so many jobs that actually I couldn't turn them down. No. So I pulled out of college and I did it full time at sixteen. And that was my full time job since like it's And you've got quite the C V like the you know magazines you've been in, Victoria's Secrets. I mean the list really goes on. Is there any that stand out for you that you were like this like a real pinch me moment? I don't know, I feel like even like my first magazine, I was just so happy to be doing what I was doing that I it was all kind of I was just really grateful for the whole thing and still am. Um, but I feel like there's definitely been moments like I did the Duran Duran music video with Naomi Campbell and Yasm LeineBon and like all those huge names and I was like, little me from Essex is just here. This is so cool. What was Naomi like? I I didn't like speak to her such on set. She's sweet, you know, like she seemed very sweet. And then she's beautiful. Like I mean, is she liked up top? Yeah, gorgeous in real life. So sonnum. What was the industry like? I mean, you probably you came up through the time when it was probably especially brutal. I think that's kind of make out it's changing, but I don't know. It's no, it was so brutal. Also, like we didn't have social media when I like speaking my age here, but like there was no social media. Like we I had to be a certain height, a certain weight , I had to look a certain way, I had to be mysterious. That's why I've never done a podcast till now. I was headed. Like I've had that in my head. Like you've got to be mysterious. So when you say that, is it like that was Jordan she was in basic be seen but don't be heard like don't don't chat don't speak because that's actually um now you've said that if you think of fashion models you'd never like really hear them talk. No because it's culture's changing now but back then it was yeah I think back then we were told like yeah because that's just how people would find you yeah like mysterious because they they're like I want to know her I want to book her on this because I don't know what she's looking for interesting. Yeah. So they they're worried that your personality might put people off. Like not you personally, but like any model like it was, but that was just kind of the culture. The culture at the time. But it's it's gradually changed. I remember then all of a sudden within ten years of modelling I had to do video and I had to do like you know on set. So then you're pausing their camera, but you've also got to keep the videographer entertained and like do some things on the side to them and like so yeah it's been like a gradual change for the modelling industry do you feel that you fitted into those that box of height and weight or did it was it something you had to be very aware of I think naturally I was very slim yeah growing up I had a lot of energy, running around and everything. And then I think at you know, I signed at 13 and then I became a woman. Yes. Your body changes. My body changed. I got a bum, I got hips, I never got the beobs. But so I looked like a fashion model up here and then like a I don't know more of a commercial model down there. And I think they just wanted my body to just be like straight up and down when I started. And so when I did start getting a little bit of curves, like my modeling career had to change. So I had to do more commercial work. So I did feel like I had to try and fit into a certain size and all that, but I do think it has changed a lot. Like do you now see like plus size models on the catalog and I think it's amazing like women are all different sizes we're all so different and so why should just one body type be represented so should all be represented I think it's nice to see like people showing up in different let you say diff who's they are in different shapes and sizes so people can see themselves in like an advert or like on a rum on a rum right. And you don't want to like look at clothes online and be like, well I don't know what I'd look like in that. Because I don't look like that. Um In those early two in those two thousands, model ing, traveling the world, you must have been to some crazy parties. Yes. So if you if you could write a book, it would be wild. Yeah. Oh that's the one shoulders of like everyone. Yeah. I feel like those were the places that I felt like, oh this is like pinched me. What the hell is this? Because this is not where I came from at all. Like I did not come from fame or money or anything like that. So it was just a whole like, even now I still feel like that sometimes, you know, like what am I doing here? I mean talk ing of your life now obviously you know you've had success as a model you were already massively kind of on the scene but meeting Jack your husband now Jack Whitehall that thrust you I guess into a more would you say it's it's more of like a household sort of yeah level of note of like notoriety. You guys met in Australia, is that right? We did. And he was was he gigging? Were you working out there? How how did you guys cross paths? Oh it was so random. So I my parents actually lived in Australia for twelve years. So I grew up in Essex. They moved to Australia when I was twenty. And so I used to go and visit them every year for like six months. I would work out there, I would do my modelling and then come home. So it was really nice. I could like it. It's amazing. Have you been only like for the jungle and I like saw knuckles. But what's it like what part of Australia? They were in Brisbane actually, which is meant to be quite like a sleepy town. Like it's not much going on in Brisbane. But beautiful. It's beautiful. You know, it's really calm and just I feel like I would go there and just unwind and and then I'd fly to Sydney for jobs and fly to Melbourne for jobs. So I was kind of always busy when I was in Australia. Yeah. And then Jack slid into my DMs. Nice. Like every modern romance starts . And he was like, hey, I'm like new to Australia. Like we had crossed paths at events. Okay, so we met briefly and but like so brief. Like we didn't have even a conversation, it was just like passing each other and we just knew of each other. Yeah. And so he was like, Do you want to show me around? Something cheesy like that. And I was just, you know, I was like, why not? I'm newly single. I'd literally been single a month and so I didn't fresh out. I didn't even know how to flirt. I was like, what am I doing? Well, you were in a long-term relationship before, right? So you were like freshens the dating problem. Yeah. And was he in Australia for work? Yeah, he was touring with his dad or like doing travels with my father. Oh yes. Yeah. Big fan. And so I was like sneakily meeting up with him. I didn't realize that I was he wasn't telling people. But you were Yeah. Okay. He would just meet up with me for an hour and I was like, Why is he going off like so quickly? And I was yeah, I was like let's have a like nice day and we did date. We dated for like two months in Australia. Oh no. It was really start of your relationship. Yeah. I read something that said that you uh attended one of his gigs when you were out there and it it was it was basically filled with a lot of kind of rude stories to talking about exes. What was that like to get that kind of I didn't know what to expect because honestly I hadn't really done my research on Jack and it was it was funny I got really quite drunk actually and I'd invited my parents so they after like two dates I'd invited my parents to his show. That's so funny. Um they loved it and it was funny. So you got the meeting of the parents out pretty pretty quickly. Yeah. Wait, I can't even remember if you met them. I don't think he even met them. You just were like in the audience. Yeah, they were just in the audience . That's so funny. Does he make you laugh? Yeah. He makes me laugh in like all the right moments, you know? Like when I really need to laugh. He'll he knows how to do it. Um does he use you in his stand-up? I he does a little bit now. Yes. I'm like, I feel like I'm his mutes. Is there ever any material that he either like runs past you or you see him working on and you're like, do not tell that fucking story? I kind of let him do his thing. I feel like you're quite laid back, aren't you? I am quite laid back, and I will correct him if things are wrong. Because sometimes he does make diabetes jokes. Right. And I'm like, babe, that's not accurate. Like, I need to correct you here because that's not like I have to, I even publicly had to correct him once because he told the joke wrong. Um As in like he's got the information about what how he's telling it wrong. I feel like he knows now because obviously I've had it for five years now, so he's like more educated on it. Yes. But at the beginning obviously he was learning the same as me. And so because oh this is such a funny story, I've gotta put it in my stand up and And you're like, wait, hold on, the it's not it's not all that funny . Yeah, but he does he does use me as his joke. Yeah. I think Jack and and also his dad now are like proper household names in this country. I mean his career has just f I mean God, you you must have watched his career take off in such a way. It's elevated so much. From like posting crits to like his stand-up and his series with his dad. Is that is that been something that you've had to navigate like you know being kind of thrust into the spotlight like that? I guess so, because we met just before lockdown. We met in twenty twenty in January. So you went into basically lockdown in a new relationship, which is crazy in itself. Wow. So then we didn't realise we were gonna be locked in together. We were like, let's just he invited me over. He was like, Do you wanna just come in while we do this lockdown? And then we're like, you can't leave. So I was like, Oh this is the test . We were basically married before we dated in a way so I think it was a good test. It was a good test. Yeah. So I yeah but once we started dating properly after that I was like oh he's he's quite known. Yes. You're like you're getting the you're getting the um the kind of the scale of his fan base when you came back out of being locked in the uh yeah. Mm-hmm. Um your proposal story is very sweet. You were at um Estel Manor. Yeah, she just went there the other week. It's beautiful. Gorgeous. It's so beautiful. So gorgeous. Um, your daughter Elsie was with you. Is it true that basically you were gonna Jack was gonna do a romantic proposal and Elsie was gonna be looked after by a babysitter? It fell through. So and she ended up being witness to your engagement. Yeah, and I'm so glad it happened that way. Do you always think that was like a little bit fake? Yeah. I'm like obsessed with her. I want her with me all the time. So the fact that she was there when he proposed, was so special, her little leg , like she was a baby, her little leg like popped up and in in her pram. And while he was on one knee, and we just kind of had I had a little giggle. I was like, This is so sweet. Did you have any idea that when you went away that weekend that you might be getting engaged. I I sort of did. I honestly did because I love when people say that. That's what Amy was telling me when she was here before Jackson. She was like, yeah, he doesn't know it, but I knew. Yeah, I don't think Jack knows that I know because I played it so well. But like I he'd done all these like cute surprises before, and I thought, oh, he's not he's he's lovely, but he's not only this lovely. And you know, all these kind of things happen, and I was like, Oh, he's doing little surprises, and then on the day, I was thinking, Oh, he's gonna do it tomorrow. He's not gonna do it today. I was so tired the day he proposed to me. I didn't do like my hair and makeup. I was like, I'm putting a dress on, but I'm not. You're just like completely So tired. And he was like, really? Do I wanna dress up? And I saw him in his suit, and I was like, oh my god , you look so gorgeous. Maybe I should make a bit of an effort, but I did I couldn't. I was too tired. So yeah, when he proposed, I was just like, Yeah, obviously. You got uh he got down and won't he was in the gardens, he hired a room with Christmas trees at Astelman . So it was like a our own little restaurant. Oh my god. It was really sweet. It was so just like twinkly lights and our own little table. That's so lovely yeah and how old was elsie at the time mm so he proposed to me in oh my maths my maths Olivia 2022 I'm like I mean she was baby she was like a year a year she was like a year old.' Its so sweet. And it's actually like you say it's so lovely that you have that memory. Yeah. With her there. It's so sweet. This episode is brought to you by Bird's eye's best ever fish fingers, which are now even crunchier. Okay, guys, I do feel that it is time for me to have some lunch, potentially, team. 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So basically the Brits was coming up and it was just the end of lockdown and so I'd been preparing an outfit I was gonna wear to the Brits and stuff and I like a week before I was like I feel so ill I feel so ill I need to take myself to hospital when you say ill, what what did you feel like? Well, I went from being really active, really like you know, working out every day to having zero energy. Like zero. I I couldn't even go for a walk around the block without feeling like I'm gonna collapse. I was really thirsty as well. Like I was drinking like four litre bottle of water every day, every night. Still feeling gasping and like nothing would get rid of that. And I and I just remember like not getting being able to get out of bed one day and just feeling like I this can't be normal, like I can't just need that much coffee. Yeah, yeah. Like it can't be that I'm tired. So I just took myself in after going to the doctor several times by the way. Like and and they didn't hint towards anything that they no. No. They told me I they actually told me I was fine and I was crying and I was like, I'm not fine. You just knew that something felt so wrong. Yeah. And so I took myself to hospital and they were like straight on a drip with me me, put straight on a drip. You've got type 1 diabetes. So they tested your blood and they could just tell that from the glucose levels. I had also just before I went into hospital bought a finger prick. Okay. To test my blood because someone I think online said to me check yourself for diabetes or someone had told me to check for diabetes. I went to a pharmacy just before and I did and I didn't know what the numbers meant because yeah, don't know. So I just went to hospital, told them that, and they were like, okay, that's really, really high. Like really high. Because they're classic warning signs, aren't they? Extreme first, feeling like lethargic, like you can't lift your head off the pillow of diabetes. Which is kind of crazy that your GPs didn't like whoa. And I was throwing up as well. Yeah. I was really ill. So you go in, you get tested, they they they diagnose you type 1 diabetes. What is going through your head at that point? Weirdly, I felt a bit relieved because I was like, I'm not crazy. There's something wrong with me, and now I know what it is. There's something wrong with me. And now I know what it is. And now I can treat myself and hopefully get back to normal. And that's that's all that went through my head to start with. Yes. But then after a few days in hospital, I was like, I kind of want to leave now. Don't want to be here anymore. Like, I want to go to the Brits. Yeah. Because I started to feel better. I was on insulin. Insulin's the thing that keeps me alive. Okay. So that was the drug that they gave me. And they said you need to learn to inject yourself every day for the rest of your life. Wow. So that was a bit of a shock 'cause I was scared of needles. So that took me a while to kind of get my head around that. I used to pass out and had a blood test before and I now I'm injecting myself every day. Yeah. So that was a huge thing. But then I discharged myself from hospital, went to the Brits thinking I was totally fine. And then that's when I didn't collapse. But I I I did lay on the floor and I was like having my first hypo. Okay. Yeah. So for for listeners and like myself, you know, to educate us as much as possible. When you say hypo, that is that short for hypoglycemic? It is, yes. And that basically does that mean that your glucose levels have dropped? It means that my sugar levels are so low. Yeah. That you've gone into a state and what um if you're hypoglycemic, what would it feel like? I think everyone gets it slightly different. Well for me I go shaky and then I can't talk. I'm just completely dazed. Sometimes I can't see properly. And like I had one yesterday actually. And I gosh. Yeah, I had to call Jack up and say, just because I knew it was gonna be bad, I said, Can you come meet? I'm walking home with cocoa dog. Can you come meet me? Because I don't think I'm gonna make it home. Wow. And so he just walked me home and then I got in, laid on the sofa, and he was bringing me like juice and sweets, and then I'm fine within like half an hour. So it basically you have to recognise that that onset and then get sugar into your system to basically try and combat that. Yeah, but it's so weird because you leave the hospital and they're like, you've got this really serious disease and to make you better, you're gonna have to eat sweets. Yeah. Like, how is anyone gonna take me seriously when I say that? What's the simplest way of of explaining diabetes like to an alien? Is it basically your body's management of sugar? Yeah. So I don't have the hormone insulin. So like you would have a natural hormone insulin that allows you to process sugar in your body and brings it to all the places that you need sugar. Whereas I don't have that anymore, my body's attacked itself and it doesn't produce it anymore. And so I have to manually give it to myself. And I've got this thing on my arm which reads my glucose. And that's like one of the most that that's quite um for the ones I've seen, that looks quite high tech. And just what it's like rolling, you were saying about your phone. Yeah. So explain to me about that, how that works. Yeah. So this is reading my glucose level. So is it got like a little is it inside your skin? So I have to it's kind of it looks scarier than it is. It's got like this big needle that I have to like kind of staple into my arm and then but the needle doesn't stay in and the needle comes out and then a cannul isar left on my arm. Okay. And that reads my blood sugar for like 10 days and then I change it every 10 days. So that and that a read on your arm is attached to you connected to your phone yeah it's chatting to my phone now. That's and actually if I glance over, I can see it it. And'll basically tell it's reading your blood sugar levels. And so if they go low, you will need, you know, you need to eat something. Yeah. I've always got sweets in my bag if you ever need them. I've never got- I mean yeah, the person to have to sit next to and text me. I mean what do people do for that kind of tech? It must have been so they must have had to manually text. Oh yeah. Like when I left the hospital I didn't have one of these. No I had to prick my finger every day multiple times a day and inject myself with insulin on top of that. So it's like two different things. Yeah. To basically manage it. So this helped me so much. Like it took away so much mental space that I I needed back in my life, you know. What is what are the simple differences between type one and type two? Um, I think just the management really, like to how you manage it. That's yeah, but then equally, people with type two can also need, you know, a CGM like I've got and you know insulin sometimes if they've got it really bad. So type one you definitely need to inject insulin. That's the difference, I guess. And you getting diagnosed at twenty nine, is that super unusual ? Not that unusual? Like you know, how common is that? I was told at the time it was quite unusual and that's why they didn't check for m for me having diabetes. Because would type one typically be something that's discovered in childhood? It used to be known as juvenile diabetes because it was known for that, but it but we are finding out more and more that that's not the case, and like anyone can get it. It is an autoimmune disease. So it basically your body has is is attacking itself in some way and the diabetes is the result of that. Exactly. My body's just attacked itself and they don't really know why. They don't because sometimes it can be hereditary. Some people get it because maybe their families no one in my family has it. So it was such a shock, honestly, to because yeah. There's there there is a type that's di um goes through families and type that would typically be type one that you think both can be hereditary, type one and type two. They can be, but they can also be individual to you. Like so they don't know why I've got it. What are some of the things that you read online that you find frustrating around um education around diabetes? I think the stereoty pe is you've done this to yourself, as in through lifestyle. Yeah, when people that is the stereotype, isn't it? I think when people think of diabetes, they think you have got an unhealthy lifestyle, you've done this to yourself, and I think for me, the reason why I talk about it so much is because I really want to break that stigma. Yes. I really do. Like I feel like it's not fair for everyone. Type two and type one. Like you can just get it for no reason. So in this it's the same because I have seen stuff on there, you know, people say, Oh, you know, high uh there is a is it is it type two that can be brought on by a high sugar lifestyle? I think maybe you can bring on diabetes yourself. But maybe that's not always the case. So it's like the people assuming that this is something that you have influenced in any way. And must be very hurtful. It is, yeah. It is hurtful. But I don't let it get to me because I know I know I didn't do this to myself. Although there are some times where like I blame myself what was I highly stressed at the time? Did was that the reason? But I know that I wasn't intentional, like I wasn't actively like eating loads of bad food, like I was really healthy. Um, and there's so many people like that out there. But there's so many things that happen to people, you know, like in the autoimmune world. Like I think of my sister with endometriosis, like you know, she has it so bad ly and it's like what you know, she's healthy, she's active, all these people doing all the right things. Done all the things, like you know, and she's done all she's read all the stuff online, people like you know, cut out gluten, cut out dairy. She's done it all. The endo's still there. Like it it's's it's very easy for people to be armchair experts. Yeah and I'm not poo pooing a healthy lifestyle at all. Yeah. But there are levels to this, you know, like I've recently cut out dairy for that reason because I'm like, I wonder if that might help, yeah, like help me feel better. Yeah. But it's not like I think it's gonna cure me. Like those things don't cure you. It's it would just contribute to a healthier lifestyle, possibly. You might feel better in yourself, but it's more energy, but it's not gonna make your autoimmune disease just go away because that's for life. Yeah. One in five people actually have diabetes in the UK. Adults. That's only adults. So that's not even including children. Not even children. Then it's just high. Yes, twenty percent, I think, of the UK population have a type of diabetes that could be like pre-diabetes, yes, type two, type one and all the in-betweens, because there's so many types that I can't I don't even know how many there are. But that's why I think having this conversation, the work you're doing with diabetes UK is so important because it's something we've all heard everyone's heard the word diabetes but so many people actually have a huge lack of knowledge around it and like you say that's why I think there's so much misinformation online and so much uh derogatory sort of conversation around it because the people just don't understand it. No people don't understand it. And I think it is important to talk about it because also one in five people have it. That means we all probably know someone with it, even if they haven't told us. So I think it's important to understand it so we can be, you know, and also like you, like without scaremongering people, you don't know what the future holds, whether a like a diagnosis could happen for you. Like you never thought in your twenties that a 29 you'd have that diagnosis. Never did that even cross my mind because no one in my family has it. So it was just so random. Yeah, and you were fit, healthy, you're like, why on earth would you think that this is something that's gonna happen to you? Yeah. Hopefully there'll be a cure in the future. We're working on it, I think, in as you know, the scientists are working on it. I say we as if I'm working on it. Well you're spreading awareness. I'm spreading awareness, they're working on a cure. Very different. I mean that would be incredible. Yeah. Had you had LC yet? Was this before you were you pregnant after? Diabetes? Yeah. I got diabetes five years ago. So no. So you got diagnosed with yeah and then you had 'cause also type one diabetes can someone can't come on during pregnancy, can't you? Yeah. Yeah. I think people can get I think it's called I can't gat gast gestational that you get when you're pregnant, yes. Yes, that's the one you can get, but then obviously it it's not that pregnancy can bring it on, but maybe people were already gonna have that. Got you. And that's why they've been picked up with it. You know were you nervous about managing diabetes through pregnancy or at that point were you you'd already kind of you'd learnt the ropes of what you I didn't know what I didn't know anything about I was so ignorant and I'm really blessed that I was ignorant uh in a way because now I know how dangerous it can be actually and then when I went into my hospital team and I told them I was pregnant. I was like, I'm pregnant. And they were like, Oh my goodness, you should have told us we should have planned this. And I was like, don't I just need to plan this with my partner? Like, no, no, no, no. And they made it as you plan managing a diabetes. So it's a big thing. Um and obviously as soon as they found out I was pregnant, they were like, every week you have to come in, we have to do more scans. So obviously, I had a really healthy baby go and it's so doable. Like but it wasn't that long ago they told women you can't have kids if you have diabetes. Oh wow. Not like honestly, not that long ago at all. I think like 30, 40 years ago. And was that because they just didn't know how to ma help women manage it? They didn't have the things that we have now to manage diabetes . Yes. When you're you know possibly like you say like you have your phone by you and some snacks by you, how do you do you have a lot of anxiety around the onset of a hypo ? I do. I personally have a lot of anxiety about it. I can imagine. Yeah, because I think I've had bad ones. So I know how bad I can feel. And also like being in certain situations like going to a movie or something where you have to turn your phone off or you have to be quiet. I get so much anxiety because I'm like, what if my alarm goes off? What if I start beeping? Yes. And it's really hard to switch off from that. But I'm also like, no, but I know that my technology has got my back and I know that I'm gonna be okay. Like I just need to like not worry about that. It's not my fault, you know. But I think that's a very human, very like natural 'cause especially like you say, when you when you're having a hyperglyglycem ic attack, it must be terrifying. So it's like then when you recover from that one, you're probably thinking gosh, I d I don't want that to happen again. Yeah, you know. I avoid it. I'd rather go too high than too low, which is not great as well. If you go too high. You're like basically you need to try and stay like in the mid-range. So like there's a line on our graph where like up here is like ten, the ten's too high. Okay. And then I think four below four is too low. So you just constantly trying to get in here, whereas your body would naturally be doing it for you or anyone without diabetes. But you need to basically help your body stay in. Twenty four seven, you've got to do this. So it's always in your head, even if it doesn't look like you're doing anything. You're kind of always doing maths like how many calves is in this? How many calves is in that? You mentioned obviously apart from using it for the occasional stand-up um content, how was Jack? Because I guess he probably w knew as little as you did when you got diagnosed. I guess you were learning together. Yeah, for sure. And I think that was, I don't know, maybe it brought brought us closer in a way because he was so amazing. He really was. He was there by my side the whole time and just I must have been worrying for him as well. Yeah, of course. Yeah. And I do think, you know, it takes a lot to for a family member or a partner to be there for you. Because you're taking on a lot by being with someone with type 1 diabetes. It's a lot. But I try I try not to put it all on him, obviously. Like I don't want to be a burden to him , but he is amazing and he's always there for me. You know, the other night I was like, oh gosh, I'm going too low again. He was like, I'll go downstairs and get you something. And he doesn't need to do that. You know, I should be doing that. But he does it for me and it's so sweet. So lovely. Yeah, and like he loves you. So it's like he you probably are more I yeah, I had this conversation with a friend the other day that's not been well and she's like, oh god, I feel like my husband must be so sick of me. I'm like, they love you. It's like the other way around, you'd happily do it. Of course . So I think it's like when yeah especially if you're quite an independent person, which I get the feeling you are, it's like I'm terrible at asking for help. Like awful. I know, I know. Which sometimes you just need to let people around you look after you because they want to. So true. Yeah. Talk to me about your wedding day. Because it's just you are a month married and you had a gorgeous wedding. You were in the Quotz Worlds. Yeah. It was just outside of the Quotz World, it was really beautiful in the countryside. And your images were featured in vogue. What did you want from the wedding when you were going into it planning it? What did you I wanted a small wedding and he wanted? I wantedd a small weding. What do you think? These men need to stand up and be held accountable for being absolute divas. I feel like this is like fake press that girls want big weddings. And honestly, I have friends the same. These these do you know what is men have too many friends? He's got so many friends, Jack has so many friends, I can't keep up. I meet people who are his best friends all the time, and I'm like, but I've been with him for five years. Yeah. Who are you? Literally, my ex-brad, he had like 25 men on his stagdo. And I was like, I've known you for 10 years. And I've met about three of these. And who are these men? No idea. But I've got a big family. So the majority of my guests was like my cousins, family members. Yeah, aunties, uncles. Like I had so many family members at the wedding. Jack's just like all his friends, which is it was great, it was a great combination, and I felt like it was still intimate, even though we had a lot of people there to be honest. It was still felt like magical when like you could look at everyone and know that you love everyone and everyone loves you. You haven't just got someone there, you're like, who the hell's this? Nice to meet you. That's the worst, isn't it? Who like no, I couldn't do that. I was like, you're not coming if I don't know you. No, you but yeah. How many guests did you have? So we had 80 at the ceremony , but then we had a lot more people at the party. Yeah like 150 I think it was. Which great even though I've spent a weddings where there's like 300 guests, which to me is just you can't then you've got to say hi to three hundred people on your wedding day. Yeah, and how did you find being the bride? Did you feel did you feel drained at the end? Did you find exhausting? Or oh my gosh, I sound like such a grandma. But at 10 p.m. I found this bed that was near a toilet and I went like that and I was like, oh this is so nice. Lay down and closed my eyes and I almost fell asleep at 10 pm on my wedding day. Oh I think this is a common story though. Like this past event that you are hosting, and everyone wants to speak to the bride and groom, of course. Yeah. So you have like maybe, you know, 80 micro conversations. It's a lot. It's a lot. Yeah. And I think I'd done so much dancing and stuff, and I almost went to bed at that time. And then my friends were like, get up, I'm gonna put WAP on Cardi B, and they did, and then I was like, okay, we I can stay out for another few hours. Music gives me energy. Did you do a um did you do a hen ? Yes, I did. What did you do? I did. So I wanted it to be in London. I I did want to go abroad, but I was like, I want it to be in London because I want everyone to come. Yeah. And I want like my sister who lives in Australia, flew all the way from Australia to be there. And I was like, I'm not gonna make you fly again, like let's just do it in London. So we had this hotel and went out. It was it was fun, it was cute. That's you know, I think that Hindus can become really uncomfortable that you say because it depending on where you go, what you want to do, you put a lot of pressure sometimes on other people to then, you know, find that time of work and find the money. I think that hen culture can actually be quite toxic. And I think that that's actually quite a selfless thing to do. Like, you know, to have it somewhere where everyone can attend and you're still gonna have an amazing memory. I was also like, I'm gonna have fun wherever I am with you girls. Like you're all my favourite people. Of course, we're gonna have fun in London. Like it was so fun. Yeah, yeah. I saw I think it was actually recent, or it was old. I saw a clip of Jack talking about his stagdo. I think it was on heart and talking about Jamie Rednaff and James Corden and all his like friends from like boarding school. And I was thinking that should have been a TV show in this. It was a real mix. Where did he go? I don't even know. I think he'd played mini golf or something like that. Was it in the UK? Yeah, yeah. Oh, he didn't know why either. Okay, right. Oh, wait, actually, tell a lie. He he had multiple stack dudes. I forgot about that. He did. He went skiing. Okay. He went skiing with his friends for a whole week first and then had I think another two UK. What? Two in the UK. Yeah. are you um nervous about the stag do you antics or is he pr I feel like he's probably pretty well behaved? I wasn't nervous because I knew like he was with all his like like his brother and everything. Yeah. I mean I when he was away I was, like , just let me know you're okay when you get home. Like just text me or call me when you're home. Yeah, it's stagd's of Hindus I think are a lot of fun, but sometimes you hear about stuff that goes on on them and you're like, my God Well my sister planned Magic Mic for me and I'd never been before and they got me on stage and I was she we sat down and I was like, Oh my god, this is so fun like and she went, I just wanna let you know now, you're going on stage . And I I was like, what do you mean? And I went, get me a drink now. I can't like knowing that I was going on stage, I was freaking out. But I couldn't even enjoy it. Because you were wondering when it's gonna happen. When it's gonna happen. So they get you up on stage and mag ic mic, if you live under a rock, it's basically like a male strip show, but um they dance, it's just they get up and so were you on the top. It's also a bit like a West End show as well. It's not like it's sleazy kind of it's actually amazing when you see the dancers. I would be mortified. I was quite mortified. And I was wearing a dress. you're sat there like they're throwing you around, like okay. Spinning me around. He threw me over his shoulder. You had the full experience. You had the they bought that's the whole, that is what you want. Um I just actually thought of a question there. How does alcohol play into diabetes? Yeah, I mean it kind it does affect it. Because sugar is that sugar, isn't it? Yeah, if you have a cocktail, obviously that's gonna spike me. What would be like a good drink for you to drink? I would say like a vodka lime soda. To keep it quite avoid something that's high sugar. And then do you just do the same thing as what you normally do and just basically monitor? Yeah, so I'm on a hybrid closed loop now, which is quite technical but I'm basically wearing a pump that talks to my CGM that talks to my phone and so I don't have to manually inject myself it just does it in the background. This technology is insane. It's amazing. It's really helped me. So that when I do go out with my friends now I can just enjoy myself a bit more. So what you're saying is if you if instant starts to drop, you'll you will this it will just stop injecting me and it will just like let me do my thing. And especially if if I'm I'm walkinging around or danc or something, it will just it will basically keep you in that safe zone. So it'll does it actually so it it puts insulin into you if you I've got a thing on my bum that I had to change before I came here actually. It was quite a lot. But um yeah, it just like injects me automatically. I just change it every three days. Incredi so then base that means that you say you can means I can have a drink and not worry about it and actually enjoy you on it. 'Cause if you do drink, sometimes it can go too high and then too low the next day. So that's a bit like Because I even, you know, people who have don't have diabetes can experience like, you know, when you wake up after drinking, your heart shaky, like because they say all that sugar is like left of body. Drinking does make your blood sugar go low naturally. Yeah, and you haven't eaten properly and you know, all the things like sometimes it's just the alcohol, but you can feel like I've had that I felt felt really strange after just having like a few glasses of wine and I think or maybe it's like shaky, like low blood sugar feeling. Yeah.ah So ye, that's like something you need to be I do have to be aware of it and monitor it, but and I try not to get drunk. Drunk. You know trying to get wasted because it's like, yeah, got you. God. Difficult for me. Um I still have a drink. I love a glass of red water. I know, yeah. Um we actually bumped into each other the other night. We were I was at um Nobu what's it called? Nobu Garden or Nobu Garden. Yeah, that was my first time going there. It was so nice. It was so gorgeous. Outside area at the no boom. I was shocked to see you there as well because I go out so early. I'm normally in bed by 9pm and I'm I'm shocked to see anyone call out at the same time as me, honestly. What time was it? It's like six pm, babe. Can I let you into secret though? I wasn't going home. Oh, okay, fine. Okay. That was like the pre-drinks. I was having my dinner. That was you done. Done. That was my night out. Yeah, we were leaving uh the Nobu Hotel. There's like a gorgeous outside area, we bumped into each other. Um yeah, no, I did and I just said to Roxy when she got here earlier, I was like, God, I was so drunk when I saw you the other night and she was like, No, you weren't, you were fine. And I thought, maybe it's because after that I think it went off bit of a cliff edge. So then you assume that I was probably after that I did we had drank a bottle of wine then well I went to Gaia but then we had tequila shots and it was like Oh after that you got drunk. Yeah so right off that point. But I was saying I looked like I was drunk because I had knocked over two glasses somehow and I'd only had one joke. So I actually love to meet a fellow clutch because I am the clumsiest person. Oh, I'm here, girl. Like when I sit down, when I was like a child, like even eight times they even do it now. My parents, who as I sat on a table, they'd move salt and pepper, everything because anything that was in my like areas get knocked. Yeah. And I walk into door frames, I stubbed my toe about 85 times a day. Oh my goodness, I'm so clumsy . I even shaved my big toes before the wedding and managed to cut them. Like, how does that happen? How does that happen? So you had like cuts on your toes. I've still got a little scarf on it. It's the only time I'd ever shaved my toes as well. And I'm like, oh for God's sake. Do you have hairy toes? Well, I just wanted to go. I didn't realise I had hairy toes until I was in the bath for the first time in ages, relaxing. And I was like, gosh, I need to like make myself like a seal for this wedding. Obviously, no one's gonna look at my toes. And I was these are my wedding shoes, by the way. Oh are they actually These are actually my wedding shoes, yeah. I need to. They're liar. Yeah. They're gorgeous. Yeah. So how nice that you've got a shoe that you can actually get some use of. Well that's the thing, you spend all this money and you're like, I need to wear the stuff again because I'm like not wasting it. But yeah stickers on look at that. Oh my god stickers on the what myself how many dresses did you do? So I did two on the day. Two on the day. I did two on the day, but then I had another dress the next morning. Okay. But it was like a bit more like cash it wasn't just not as extra as to my own. What did you I mean you're gorgeous. It's like you're not I have to do much, but was there any wedding prep that you did? Did you do any god talk including the shaving of the toes which is my favourite part now um i yeah i I was like religious about getting laser I'm obsessed with skincare like obsessed with it and I tried profilo the other week recently. I've still got a little bruise. I don't know if you can see it, but um yeah, for the whole thing. But I bruise when I have that as well. Oh yeah, it was bad. But um I love skincare, yeah. So I was getting all the laser for the wedding, and my skin never looked so good, honestly. Because I was doing it every month and I I I've stopped doing it now. I need to get back into it. As long as you have fun with it and you're not like making yourself miserable, I w I look at my wedding around the time of my wedding, I'm like I I was ripped. had like a six pack. I was like, I need a I you not you look like you've got a six pack. Well I feel like I'm I'm getting my s I I was I was strong. Like my you like my arse was like rock hard and I feel like I after that I kinda like he leaned off a little bit but I like and my skin 'cause I I lasered myself down as the bow. It was like a fetus. Like honestly. And I was like, right, I need a maybe I need another wedding. Maybe that's what I need to say. Honestly I kicked me up. Like laser is the best thing. Honestly. To make yourself like look young. I know. You don't need too much, just a little lazy here and there. When I meet people, they're like, Oh what do you do with your skin? And I'm like, How long have you got? Yeah. Like it's not it's not something I get I need to get get the list. Yeah, I'll give you the list 'cause it'll be a whole podcast episode if we get into it. Um talking of the wedding, obviously you've married into the Whitehall family, um iconic uh parents in law, yeah uh Hilary and Michael. Michael has become a star in his own right in the last few years. Um he's very funny. Is he like that all the time? Yeah or he's completely himself. He is like that all the time. He's like cut like dry sort of the way he says things, the interactions and Jack's so much more sort of Jack's so much more what's the word? He's like dry, wet. Yeah, it's like Jack Jack's like he's like very sort of he's quite dramatic, quite performative, like in yeah, and and Michael's just like drive, just like so . That's why they work as a duo, though. It's so funny. Yeah, it's really funny. And their interactions have like are viral. I see them on TikTok all the time. They have a really sweet relationship. And and they've are they very close . They are very close. They're so sweet. I mean they talk all the time. It's really lovely. It's so nice, isn't it and I'm so close to my family as well. So that's another thing we bonded over. Because you have close friends with your parents. And what do you do your four parents so they get on? Yeah, they get together a lot. And actually that's like the first time that's ever happened in my relationships. Like all my relationships before, I never like got parents together, but they they like love hanging out. It's so nice. Um we've devised a little game here . I'm gonna test you now 'cause they're all iconic. Okay. These are quotes, right? They're all w real quotes. Okay. But basically I'm gonna ask you if you if you know or you can think whether it was said by Jack, Michael, or Hilary.. Okay Okay. This I wanna feel like if I do accents, then I'm gonna give it away. So I'll try and read it in a very monotone voice. This one, start one. Okay. What annoys me about Americans is they are so all over you all the time. Oh hi, how was your day? And I think fuck off. Michael. The the end of that obviously. I have seen this hip and he goes, oh how's your day? And I think it's fuck off. It's a it's a great reel, isn't it? It's so good. I get to send them all the time. It's very true. Um okay, next one. I'm below the guy who made the fucking grunting noises for the fucking reindeer. Jack . Jack . So is this in reference to he was cut from frozen? I think he was cut from frozen, yeah. So that's what gave it away. Sorry. That's how I knew. No, the that's actually so he was meant to be a voice in frozen and they called that's what happened. Do you know what one of my things on my bucket list? I've got a really jarring voice. Thank you so much to my listeners for still being here. I would love to voice . I would love to voice. Do you think? Yeah. Just goes I would love to voice a cartoon. But that'd be such a fun thing. Get my agent on the phone. Okay, next quote. You're so rude about my fanny pack. Oh, Hillary.. Yeah I know because we bond over funny packs. We both love them. Wait, as in like are we talking about the actual bag you wear around your bum bag? I love a bumbag. Does Hillary, what does Hilary keep in her bum bag? I don't know what she keeps in them, but I just know that we have a a mutual love for them. Okay, well now I feel better because I have a secret one. I actually wear it cross-body and I met my friend the other day and I only wear it for dog walking. And I look like one of these like knobs that thinks she's like a dog trainer because I have like a different lead, the treats, the poo bags, I like everything's accessible. And then I've got the dogs in my hands. Obviously, I've got a rottweiler and I didn't. No one does. Um and a shepherd mix like a German shepherd pigs. So she's like, they're huge. I mean they're like Your dogs would not get along with my little div a dog. What do you have? Okay . Yeah. And my shepherd dog has beef or poodles. Yeah, my poodle has beef with every dog. That doesn't look like her. That's why I think that pood poodles and cocka poos and they all get along beef with big dogs. And I live in Bath City. Everyone has a fucking pood So and and a lot of them, it's yours quite yappy. Oh my god. But not with me. With other dogs. If another man walks anywhere near us when we're walking, women she's fine with. And other dogs hates them. It's funny that, isn't it? Men and dogs. My dog also hates men. Um you never really meet a dog that hates women. No. I was in the nail salon yesterday. Never meet a dog, do you, that hates women? No, you don't. That's so true. I was in the nail salon with Coco because I always bring her. She's really good at sitting, she's a lap dog. She just sits on my lap while I'm getting my nails and like puts her little head on the table. Then a man walks in to do like a delivery or something. It was like the she's like a monster. She's and I'm like, I'm so sorry. And everyone in the salon looks at me like I'm the worst dog owner in the world. I'm like, it's just because he's a man. Sorry God. She's protect ing me. Um, okay, next quote. So who's ready to talk about Labour? No, thank you. Michael? Yes. Is he talking about Labour as in the political party? Hilarious. So, yeah. I mean, to be honest, I don't want to talk about them either. No, no, no. The less said the better at this point. Okay, another one. Oh my god, did you see Larry? Larry had four glasses of wine with dinner. I think Larry is an alcoholic. Oh my gosh. Are they talking about Larry King the hairdresser? I don't know. I don't know who that would be. Jack ? Yeah. Okay. Jackie stand-up. Larry's Jack's hairdresser. I mean it says four glasses of wine in Britain and you're the designated driver. Yeah. So they're talking I think he's talking about maybe alcohol consumption maybe in the States versus the UK That is very true. Okay, that is very true. Yeah, that's when you got them all right. So you you know, I know them. I know them. I was actually shocked I got any of them right. And also my um delivery was l ess than um good and it also gave away the context on one of them. So um oh that is very, very funny. That is so true. I mean God the uh the uh the difference between the states and the UK versus like approach to alcohol is but also the humour as well. The humour, I think if you go East Coast like New York, they get it. They get it. But I think when you go west coast LA, it's I they don't understand me. No, I and I think we're very sarcastic. Especially like Michael, like you can I can imagine why he doesn't gel with the LA. That's so true because he's really dry. And like I don't even know when he's joking some You're like, but is this a joke? Or you're actually being dead serious. Okay, before I let you go, I always ask my guests who they think I should refer for a membership. Who should I have on the seat? I think my mother-in-law. She's iconic . I would actually love to have her. She'd be a hilarious guest. Well, you've got a good word in for me. I will, absolutely. And who should we ban? Who do you not want to see in here? I reckon people who leave butter in the jam pot. Because that really just I can't that we can't get along. So you talking like they they dunk the butter and then the stick they're knife . And then you see the butter. Oh my god, that's such a good knife, right? For me, I don't eat um jam, but marmite. Marmite, I love marmite. Do you love marmite? Love. Okay. I can eat it like I can eat it with the spoon. I do. But when you see the butter in the jar, and also it's disgusting. Like that's bacteria. Then a mole.. Yeah Yeah, no, no, no. Okay, that might be my favourite one yet, actually. You might have just killed it. It really winds me up, so like I just c we can't we can ban people who that's perfect. Thank you so much. Roxy, how was your first podcast experience? I loved it. Thank you. You're not traumatised for life. No, this is so cozy. I hope all podcasts are like this. They're not. They're not. This is the best one. So I wouldn't do any more. No, this is the I'm done. This is done. I don't need to do anymore. Thank you so much , Roxy. Woo! Aw. Guys, if you enjoy this episode, send it to a friend, a family member, like and subscribe, and I'll see you next week. Hello, it's Jamie Lang here. And Sophie Leng and we have just had a baby. Yeah, we have. So it turns out the biggest change isn't just having a baby, by the way. No, it's what it does to us. Yeah, the dynamic shifts. You're tired, you're emotional, you're slightly unhinged. Speak for yourself, so I am, but you are more so. Okay, welcome to our new show, Newly Parents. We're talking wins, we're talking arguments, we're talking everything. Oh yeah. This is newly parents. It's out right now, guys. Whatever you watch or listen to your podcast.