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It's gonna make you question a lot of things about yourself, if you're capable, if it's worth it What do successful people have that people who don't make it don't have? They keep going Even when stops being Ecit How do we stop comparing our timeline to everyone else's? Success does not have a finish line, so we can't compare something that does not exist Once you believe you are better than anyone else You're done Carl Santoro, welcome to On Purpose. It's great to have you here. Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited. Carl, I've been such a fan of yours from afar. We don't know each other. We just met today. but I've been following your content. It's always direct, it's clear The message is easy to understand, easy to apply There are millions of people across the world that are following you, learning from you. And you just told me that the number one Google question about you is is Coral Centuro AI? think we all in this room can confirm I'm not. So I love'm not sure. I'm not. And sh you doing the first hologram ever? No, no, no, I would not do. I love it. yeah, I'm very h. How does that make you feel? How does that make you feel when people are asking that question? It is so funny because I'm in the actual tech space. So I develop softwares. I'm in an AI. and when they started asking me about these things, I'm like, it kind of makes sense. but at the same time As soon as I started posting more content, a lot of the people started realizing it was not. I still get a few questions here and there, but it was mostly about me coming into the space of social media because what I do is like the fun side of my life. What I actually do is text. So I came into this space and I understood it because no one had seen me before And in this moment that we are, you don't know what's real or what's not. So I kind of understood it. and that's the point that I understood. I had to go more into stories. Sh people a little bit here and there about me being real. Honestly it was funny. Me being the first interview here and I'm super happy that people get to see that I'm a real person. Absolutely. Talk to me about if someone listens to this episode today What do you want them to walk away with? What do you want them to feel? How do you want them to change their life To be honest, like just like the name of the podcast purpose. I got into social media and everything that you see. I got into this space because I didn't want people to feel behind in life because of what they see. I feel like nowadays we can get confused very easily. And the men's side, I was talking about this the other day, if you are not flunting cash outside of a Lamborghini and doing all these things that you see, you're behind. If you're a woman, if you don't have a birkking bag and you don't have, you know, a bouquet of roses outside of a jet, oh my gosh, like I don't have the right person and that is not realive I hated the romanticism that we're seeing in entrepreneurship, just because real live is not doing a Canva template and saying to people, do this course and you be financially free. And then people believe that. and That's not real life. We all have struggles. We all go through things in our lives, even if it's relationships or work I want people that every time they listen to something, it's You're not behind, you're on track. you're not on a race with anyone. And that's why I love so much everything that you portray. and that's why I wanted to come here so much because this is real life. And I feel like the type of content that we put out, everyone relates in a different way. I feel like we're all in the same boat but we all have different destinations. At the end of the day, we all have problems. In this room, we all have a problem and It's not rare, but it's just how we can get support from now online subbeautiful things that I follow. a lot of the guests have been here and have a voice. and I feel like we all have a voys and we all have a story. and we can put it out there. people can relate in their own way. I think there's of life. You spoke about timelines there, you spoke about this idea of not being behind How do we stop comparing our timeline to everyone else around us when it feels like we're so overexposed, like you said to the cars, the Birkenbag, the bank balance, the jet, the whatever it may. Now, you know, before you'd compare yourself to The twenty people in your class at school, now you can see what twenty thousand people across the world are doing How do we stop comparing our timeline to everyone else's? There's no race. They made us believe There's an invisible finish line And success does not have a finish line. So we can't compare something that does not exist. I'm gonna tell you a little bit about me. When I graduated from high school, I did not go the traditional path, let's say. I saw all my friends going to college doing all this college live, and I knew that college wasn't per me. It wasn't my path And at first it was when social media just started popping off. and I remember posting. and I remember my sawical friends talking about me in group chats and stuff. And that's the thing that a lot of people are afraid to go out there because of the group Well they stay? No always say, what will they say about what? It's your life. Let them talk for a little bit. Then when you make it, everyone knows you, Eone is your friend So what I like to say is like there is no race. There is no invisible finish line. You cannot compare to something that does not exist. When you follow your own path, when you follow your own passion, a lot of people will not understand. And that is for sure. When you're doing something different, people will tell you're crazy. People will tell you that's not the right to go. And it's because they're talking about their insecurities. notot about the reality of what you can portray So when I started on social media, I remember myself putting out there like years ago because I had an account. It was all about different things I want to h now. It was about fashion and trips and stuff. And I remember All these people that I thought were my friends and if someone's listening to this and things that friends are going to talk about you because you're online. They're gonna to talk about you It's beautiful. And if you get four likes and all the people that you thought they were going to support you and you thought they werere going to buy your product, you thought they were going to put a like on your new page for your brand and they don't That is showing you who your true circle is. That is showing you that you are doing something that they are not willing to do, which is expose yourself, which is putting yourself out there. And that is bravery to the max. And I think that today seeing all these things about comparing ourselves online about people that are younger than ourselves because a lot of people are like, oh my goodness, he's twenty and he's already a millionaire. Well That's perfectly fine. KFC started when he was seventy five or seventy something. And then you see Vera Wong, she decided her first, like we've seen this. There's no timeline for success. So if you're patient, I was just telling to my team here and I was talking to them about this and I'm like, if you're not in a rush about posting, at first you're gonna gonna to get likes That's fine. if you're not in a rush You're gonna get there. So there's no comparison about you being younger or being older. My parents are sixties and they're reinventing themselves. They're like, I want to do something different There's success I started young when I was eighteen doing political things with no experience at all. And now I'm about to turn twenty nine and be like, oh my gosh you're a baby. I'm like, yes, but during this ten years, I didn't compare myself to anyone else and just follow my path, follow my gut. and now I've got the chance to work with presidential campaigns, Fortune five hundred CEOs And it was my path. So if you still want to do it The advice from people that are online, but don't compare to it G it and go out, put yourself out there. Any successful person I've interviewed or talked to This idea of knowing how to deal with what everyone thinks of you. is It's one of the biggest things. I was sharing yesterday last night, I was just mentioning to you that I was interviewing Emma Greed for her book launch here in London at the Hackney Empire. and she's from East London. I'm from London. so it was a really, really special feeling. And I shared this quote that I've shared many times, but Every time I say it, it has such an impact on me and everyone who hears it, it's from Charles Wolton Cooley. He said it in eighteen ninety. And the fact he said in eighteen ninety tells us everything. He said the challenge today is I'm not what I think I am I'm not what you think I am I am what I think you think I am. I love that. And it's So that'sort of so statement. Yeah, he's saying that we live in a perception of a perception of ourselves. so We think if everyone thinks I'm smart, then I feel smart. But if everyone else thinks I'm weak, then I feel weak. You know what I heard this and it's called the Marilyn Monroe effffect. So she showed up herself how she wanted to be portrayed. So she was an orphan and she didn't have the mainstreet be who she was supposed to be. So I'm like, if you want to be Hollywood actress, if you want to do all these things, and you think you don't have the things, Marilyn showed up as the person she wanted to be. And I love that because Why you believe in yourself so much? You're gonna make it. always said, you're gonna make it. I didn't have the contact. I didn't have the money to do one the things. And I just worked so hard and believing in myself so hard in the talents and the capabilities I had to. That us are showing, and that's when people are calling you. So it's just about believing in yourself so much. What are the top three traits you believe successful people have? that people who don't make it don't have They always ask me, what's the difference with a one percent? They keep going even when it stops being excit M A lot of people start They at a domain The username They get excited doing some canva pose and then nobody likes. Nobody buys. The idea is not good. The idea is not the problem is that you're not Patient enough And then you have to be honest with yourself. And I think the honesty is that you have to tell yourself that it's not going to be easy going require a lot of effort And once you're honest with that You have to be on a track that your vision has to be so strong Getting there has to be flexible. So I feel like the one person is always patient is always honest. and the vision has to be so strong, but the path to getting there has to be flexible. Once you understand that You're gonna to understand that your timing is not the timing that you want took ten years to get where I am. So when people see like, oh, she's an overnight success Over night of says does exist after you work ten years with nobody watching and nobody clapping for you, that's when it shows So be patient, be honest with yourself and be very stubborn with your vision had to getver flexible Yeah. So that's the one percent difference And once it stops being exciting be so repetitive about the boring stuff. that you're gonna to make it. becausecause everyone thinks success is exciting. to get here to do this podcast the logistics behind it. This is the fun part when we get to talk But in any brand, in any business, any relationship The boring stuff is what makes everything stick together. a relationship I love talking about relationships because I feel like it's been so romanticized about things that A relationship is a thing that you work on every single day In a business, you work on relationships with your team, with your employees, even with yourself So it's a matter of just repeating the bore stuff over and over again and getting better at it and listening to other people. Also one more thing that we're talking about that is listening I feel like once you think you know it all, you know nothing That's the kind of thing. Once you believe you are better than anyone else You're done In my thing in my company, what we do every Monday, I'm the last one to speak because if you speak first as a boss or a CEO Then everyone's going to agree with you because they might be afraid not to give you the reason yes, you're good. Yes, yes, yes, yes, I don't wantan to yes people around me. I want people to make me better. And that happens with relationships. You want your partner to make you better. Right now I'm in a beautiful relationship that has make me a better entrepreneur, a better woman, a better because they rise you up. It's not that you're comfortable, but they make you better I have beautiful friends who want me to succeed So it's a matter of, you know I feel just listening, the power of listening, not knowing at all. That's how you learn until the last day of your life, if you listen you learn and you get to know people better. A about the people who love to talk more as well because people talk too much, you know that they're the ones who ussually not always the least and have the least to portray. You just reminded me of Eric Schmidt, the former CEO of Google He had a principle that he called donon't listen to the hippo in the room And Hippo stands for highest paid Persons' opinion And he said the same thing. He said, if I speak in a leadership meeting or the most successful a wealthy person in the room speaks, everyone around them will just agree. And so it's better to allow everyone else. One thing that you mentioned that really stands out to me You said what differentiates The winners from the people who don't make it is that they keep working when it's not exciting. And I think that's where the follow your passassion movement went wrong Because people had this belief that if I follow my passion or if I do my purpose, everything's gonna be easy. I'm gonna wake up happy every day. I'm absolutely gonna love everything I do not realizing that actually, if you follow your passion, there's going to be lots of days where you're doing things you don't want to do. where things are not exciting, where you're not winning, where things are not working out and you spot on that Being able to work when things are uncomfortable. is what differentiates the top one percent And so How do you keep going How do you keep trying and experimenting things feel slow and they're not going your way. How do we stay patient to your first point? So I like giving this example. When you go to the gym the first time everything hurts and you see nothing but just internal pain And then if you keep going You are seeing a little bit here and there of a muscle. You are seeing here and there titan. That's the same effect Following your purpose and your passion is hard because you're not going the traditional way Right? And we're not going in the traditional way. It's going to hurt It's going to make you question a lot of things about yourself, if you're capable, if it's worth it, whyy it's not working? Why am I doing wrong? Is idea bad It's not But once you surpass that pain, that internal pain, you start seeing results. And it's quiet Success is quiet at first It's not easy because you are not exposed. It's just you yourself in a room maybe with a laptop and not a team or anything. And at first, all entrepreneurs know You are your own PA, your own personal assistant, who's responding the emails. You are the marketing team. You are sales, you are everything And that is fine. That's how we all started. Once you believe in the process that You're greeting something inside of you as well during that change Because I feel like what success really is. If they ask me, what is success Success is who you're becoming in the process is the resilience you're building is the path to the top, you're going to be losing weight because together, you're gonna lose friends. For sure, you're gonna lose friends because you're not the same person. You're gonna not be able to speak about the same things on a dinner table. that is fine You're going to maybe lose family members who didn't believe in you And that is fine as well And you're going to lose a part of yourself. that you might not notice because in that silence, I've not know these changes Changing And that is already success So on the way to the top, I always say the top is not closed People at the top will want to help you. I heard a friend of mine saying, A lot of people aren't helping me and I'm like, you don't needat in life, you don't need a lot of people. You just eat one If you have a one person who grabs you by the hand tell you I' I'm to help you I'm going to introduce to someone. That might be enough. You don't need army of people to succeed. You need first to believe in yourself and then just one person to introduce you. So the top is not closed. The thing is that the top is cold. People were not expecting it to be that cold. Because when you get to the top, It gets lonely sometimes. Because since you lost a lot of things during the process of getting there It's a of you And at the top, there are fewer voices So that means that you have more time to think. As a CEO, you have It's you deciding, you don't get to run to other people lots of times So that's one of your mind has to be very clear on listening. on who you are. And being so sure that any decision that you make either turns into good or bad It's you are the top who got there who made all decisions to get there and you're going to be fine So I feel like the same thing Once you understand that there's gonna be silenence, that you're gonna lose people, that you're gonna grief an all part of yourself You're ready and the clim is slow and you lose people But it's worth it. Oh, always say to people, You'll get to where you want in life, just not in the way you imagine it. hundred percent. Because all of us have a visual of what the past looks like. And then reality next to it, which doesn't look like that at all And then we start thinking, well, this can't be the right path because it doesn't look like what I visioned. It doesn't look like the idea I had in my mind and reality' saying, no, no, no, this is what it's going to look like. And we just keep debating. We keep fighting it And then you don't take the step forward in reality because it doesn't look like the one in your dream. In my case, I started so different from where I am now. Tell me aboutother. So I graduated from high school, like I mentioned, and I wanted to be what it was a bloger in that time 'cause it was like an actual blog And I started posting and at first it was like nothing. And it was kind of tough because all of my friends were talking about me and oh she thinks she' anfluence. That that was' an influener. was,h she think she's a bloger, you know. It's so cool when they underestimate you. I love being underestimated because you get to build quieter If you don't have pressure, you don't have to prove anything.thing's gonna fail anyway. Yes. So why not do it. It's a good place to be. I love it. So once I started posting this things Later on today They all are my friends. They all know me, and they all want something. That's the path. When I started, I thought I was going to be into fashion But once I started getting invited into Fashion Week I understood the power of T Lging where it was going. So I started calling all these brands that were inviting to Fashional Mk and I started doing their social media accounts So once I understood the power of social media, I went into my first presidential campaign I managed my first presidential campaign, then it led me to a second one, third and I'm starting my fourth one. So if you told me that I would end up in politics and then that led to cybersecurity, me development softwares and cybersecurity I would have never believed it, or me being a political strategist. never would have thought in a second. So if you told me that by age twenty nine, twenty nine, I would have been divorced, I would have never believed it. And that is fine. I remember when I got divorced, it was something like, ooh, she's so young and she got divorced. And I always love to talk about it because it's not a taboo thing I got the most amicable divorce ever. It was all good, but it's just things that happen And life will just throw things at you that you're not prepared. But the resilience comes hardest moments of your life And in that moment, through all the things that I've been through and now I started into this path of social media, what I do? This is the fun things. I get messages from all around the world about people me changing their lives, which I would have never envisioned it, right So I always say to the people I coach and to people I talk to to you Don't do everyveryone else is taken, right? I've heard the phrase, you know, everyone's taken just be you And in my case, I'm young, but I've learned so much. Even my Spotify account says that I'm sixty three years old. I totally believe it. I an also. You mean when it does just but if I rap that you listen to Exactly.'s. Yeah, this makes sense. Exactly. does makes sense. So it's just a matter of like do you do whatever dress If you want to dress in a certain way, dress in a certain way. You want to go a different path. That is not the typical one. do it and don't criticize others which is so important because that energy that you're portraying by criticizing or doing, it's not coming back to you in a goat way. I was talking to a friend of mine the other day and she said, oh, I heard this friend of ours had a baby and she thinks she's a mom influencer. I thought I'd like, that's so cool But the way she said it and it's those things that I hear all the time. She thinks she is. Oh, she thinks she's a stinger, She thinks she's a designer. She is a designer She might not be at the top yet. She's going to get there. She is now the top inlet she's going get there in her own timing. So the way that we portray words is so important because if someone has blue hair And you are staring at her because she has blue hair. Let her. It's just like the Ma Robins thing, right? That's like let them let her. if they want to do something different that you are not engaged with them be, you do you, you focus on yourself so much that your energy. I've heard this over and over Successful people cannot criticize others because they don't have the time for it. They're so focused on being better. For example, I feel like us sitting here I'm happy about your success. I'm happy about you having a production company. I'm truly happy. Like when I saw it, I called Paige who's been so wonderful. like Paige of you' listening to this. It was so good because I'm happy for it because I know what it takes. to certain places And when people read headlines and when we put something out there is not to brag. I always say when people put a vacation there, it's not to brag put something in their social media. sometometimes it's not to brag. It's sometimes a way of saying, you know, the times they said no to a lot of things to get there. So many times they had to cry themselves to sleep to finally purchase the car they'd been saving for So a lot of times we read social media in the ways that we want to read If it's with envy, we can twist envy in a way If you're jealous about something, let it be for good Let it be for if he can do it, I can do it. Yeah, but not in a way of like, oh, he has it. thenen it's not for me or I cannot have it There's room for everyone. The world can give so much. the doors are not closed Just to you be happy with you God and read the things differently. Yeah happappy for others Truly we are in a society that is so jealous, so confused because they don't have it. And I know there's tough times. But in the toughest times it's when people can arriise, they can become the person they want to become. I remember one time I had like twelve dollars to my name and I was looking at my bank account and I could have whereere were you at that time? It was when I just started and I needed to do like my first website for my it was when e commerce were started booming And I remember the YouTubers, that's one of the one of the things they were like You're going become a billionaire if you do this product an Amazon FBA was call a thing or something like that. And I was like, ooh, I'm gonna to get into e commerce. So I saw all these YouTubers. It was like twelve years ago and I got onto it, I paay this guy to do my website and He basically got my card. I wastive. I gave him my card and basically he took like all the money, didn't rich feave anything And in that moment, I understood power of Anything live, like trust. Like I trust in the guy. it failed It was a lesson. And I opened my bank account And I feel like we've all been there when you look at your bank account, you're like o Oh my gosh, the overdraffee and all this things, right? And there was two options. Either I stayed there and cried or I started to work That's how it got into tech. I learned how to code my own website because I didn't have money to pay someone to do my website and I realized later on how I got into check was by a moment a failure. which I love to say failure does not exist. It's just data. It's just giving you more information And in those moments where you're like, What am I gonna to do with my life And a lot of things, I feel like people right now and the world is struggling with financial situations, like ever before And In those moments, I want you to know that I feel like all successful people have been there. Yeah. Like it's not easy to get to where you want to get And on my way here I remember that a lot of people think they see the car or they see the bag or the watch And they they want that and like, it's fine. you can get there. But real success is not assets. Real success is who you become in the process and real success once you get there is who you share it with Yeah Because once you got there It's like, what w want to share the news? Before I came here, I called my partner. I'm like, I'm so excited. He was like, Ohh you look so beautiful. Congratulations. And like they're happy for me. I caught my friend and she's like, o my gosh, I'm so excited for you. I brought here, my team. They're so excited for me. It's who you share it with. And I always say in friendship, if there's a slight chance of envy or jealousy, the friendship is gone because they are competing with you And the second they're competing with you. Broken People who are around you have to be happy about your success because they know their timing is coming. They're following their own timeline and they're happy for you And that's so important Wh you share success with Hey everyone, it's Cal Penn. I'm the host of EarsSay the Audible and IHart Audioobook Club. 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I'm so glad you brought these more underlying things when it comes to success, especially when you talk about not criticizing others because I feel like as soon as we hear about someone doing something And if we're aware of it and they're doing it a little bit better than us Everyone gets really, really critical. And we're being critical because we're being competitive. We don't even agree with what we're saying. We're just saying it because Oh, it's uncomfortable to hear that someone's doing it better than me, that someone's getting it right compared to me. And I think what that does is it creates a culture of criticism in our mind where now, I think about this all the time. My friends who are doing well on social media We' never laugh at someone else on social media. No only send me the good stuff that other people are doing. They'll say, Hey, did you see this update? Did you see what this person just launched? Did you see what this person invested in? And all of my friends who are doing badly on social media will always send me a video of someone to laugh at them like, did you see let's laugh at this. And it's fascinating to me how you get lost in that world and you feel better about yourself. What I found is If you're doing well, you feel better when other people are doing better because it shows you there's more opportunity.cent. But when you're doing badly, you feel happier when other people are doing worse because that makes you feel like a bit of an ego boost. And so I think it's such a good tell as to whether you're focused on yourself or whether you're not because of the critical piece. The other thing that you mentioned that really stood out to me is this idea of sharing it with people Earlier, you talked about the idea of being lonely at the top And I think people are also lonely at the top because they don't know to build the friendships that you're talking about. Because you can't control whether your friend's envious of you or not. You can't control that. How do you maintain good relationships on your way up so that you don't get to the top and then go, I want to make friends now? Because once you're at the top You don't know why someone wants to be friends with you. Exactly. So how do you maintain great friendships on the way up without knowing if someone's envious of you or not think that you change your circle. It's going to happen because the people you're doing business with usually end up being your friends and the old circle just stays where they are and not because it's wrong, but because their lives are different. And if you're doing something nonc conventional, you're hanging out with non conventional people with minds that don't see the impossible, right? So I think you just change a circle. And that happens in life Sometimes your group chat went silent, someomeone had a baby, someomeone got married, someone went abroad, and the group goes silent. And then that's just life. The other day I was in a dinner and I heard them talk badly about you. And the response was like, That doesn't matter. What matters to me is why they felt comfortable doing in your presence if you're supposed to be my friend So that's how you know. Say that again, that's good. If someone's talking about you and they come to, a friend comes to you and says, I was at a dinner and they were talking about the about you thing is not why they were talking about me badly. It's because why they were so comfortable talking about me in your presence if you're supposed to be my friend Right? So I love that because if it's a true friend, they're not gonna to dare to talk badly about you. So that's the thing. I think circles changes. I feel like in my life, my circles have changed multiple times and that's just life. Yeah. That's just a circle of life. And if you're married, sometimes partner's friends are to be your friends. If you got divorced, maybe it splits. If you go to college, it's your college friends for that time, then you depart from that city and then you have a new city and you become new friends. So I always talk about Be being an immigrant as well and following your dreams because I feel like in a way everyone that pursues something usually leaves home And when you get there, you're praying that the lees you had is good enough. And if you're reading a yogurt flavor that you know the brand is good, and then you make your first out of friends and they are started to show you the city and then they become your person in that city. and then pursuing a dream. So it's just like I feel like it changes wherever you go whoever you want Sometimes it's who can take you there Yeah Right, And you're hanging with them because you see that the possibilities So it's just a matter of like, L. I feel like she was like the circle of life. Yeah, I think that's fair. I feel really fortunate that I've got friends who I've been friends with for probably about twenty, twenty five years who' still in my life and your spot on the reason that we can all still be friends is because I hopefully I am not and arrogant douche and ye and they're extremely and they're extremely non envious. And I think those two things work really, really well together when Exactly to your point earlier that I have a great group of friends who aren't envious are not competitive, and not you know, trying to take me down. And then on the other side, you absolutely right, your circle changes and you meet new people that understand your new life. And I think that's what it is. I think people think when your circle changes it makes it feel like, o, because you're doing better, you want to be around people that are doing better. It's actually not that. It's actually people understanding you different stages of your life, who have seen you in different phases, who understand the pain you go through. So I have lots of friends in my industry B thing is we can all relate to each other when we're going through the same things. Exactly. And my friends from back home, they've seen the full picture of me. And so I love that too because they know me deeper than anyone else on the planet because they've seen me from day one. Exactly. So that idea that your friends change and your circle changes is valuable at the same time as I'd encourage people to be like, you don't have to leave everyone behind. No. And you can open up the door for other people. one hundred percent.. There was this beautiful story. I met one of the survivors of the Andy's crash And they were set of a group of friends who were leaving for a rugby tournament And e crashes and I think if someone's seen the show on the movie on Netflix, it's great. I invite them to watch it. But I was talking to one of the survivors and he said was something beautiful that takes me I out of like bad days because I'm like, you were a group of friends who crashed in snow. A lot of them died there. and you stayed there for seventy two days stranded in snow And I'm like, how did you pull through? And he' like All us friends was important to see one good thing every day And he said something beautiful. I'm like, A are you saying this becausecause it sounds good? And he's like, No. Because when you're in the snow and there's no sound and you just see plain white You find beauty in things that you didn't understand before. He said, while they were listening like the rain or the snow falling, they're like, God is present. God made all of this. That means He's here with us And I find a beautiful, I'm truly believer in God. and I feel like once you Leave everything to him. Ething' startsed becoming beautiful And at that point, when he told me that in seventy two days stranded in the snow, they saw one beautiful seenty two days in the cold when no food. like it was bad. But then I asked him something, I'm like How did you know you're going to survive? And he said this, because no one told us. It was impossible And that is something that you can take to everyday life. You want to embark into a new chapter of your life and they tell you it's impossible. The market saturated. By the way, the market is saturated was invented by someone with low creativity. too be honest. true. But it's just you believe in yourself because usually people put their own fears into our own ideas and our own dreams. So that's why we believe in them and we think we cannot make it. So when he said that I truly believe in it so much because he said, what if it would been stranded with a lot of people around it The odds of everyone saying ooh, they're not going make it Oh, whatate are the conditions? seventy two days in the co, They're not to make it Could have been higher, right? So he said nobody told us that it was impossible and seen one good thing in your life And I truly I believe in that. I believe in that on the worst days that I have, I find one good thing. And once you find that one good thing You push through. you wake up one more day, be like, One more day to fix any problem that I have. One more day to try again One more day to become the person I want to become. One more day, onene day at a time. That's why I don't believe in five year plans. and five year plans with the advance of the technology and everything, that doesn't exist. You know how I hire people It's the funniest thing I love resumes. That's all good. I love that. But I usually take them to a smoothie ride. I take them with me to a smoothie and I love how they treat people I see how they treatade the waiter or the person at the cashier I see dec decisiffess on ordering they're going to take to like forever or you know. And then while we're sitting in a casual environment, I ask questions about life, right? And when you get to know the person's going to be part of your team person kind heart, honest and has values The the resume will follow But if you don't have that as a person The rest doesn't matter. You can have Ivy League people and your team. That doesn't mean anything I hired the other day. it was impressive. I was doing this speech in Dubai And then this guy had come from India And he didn't know how to speak English. So he wrote on a piece of paper something and he showed it to me. once they were doing a meeting greet and it was basically him saying that he was in tech and that he had saved the last amount of money and asked his mom to come to Dubai to meet me and had a chance to work at my company That was so brave because he didn't have the language spnd the last sent to come and see me, and he was taking a chance. And that's why I love the three seas of life Challenges, choices, and change challenges we all have them And L will throw at us every single day They have Chance to make a choice And once you have that, this guy, I hired him on the spot. he showed me one not. I thought it was so brave what he had done. So when I see people that have everything And Oh, and he had Tourette syndrome. So when he started talking to me, he was like having a situation and showing with a piece of paper trembling. And I thought was so brave because the meaning of being brave is not that you're fearless is that even though you Hal fear, you're going go for it. And that moment he was so brave and I just gave him a hug and I'm like, come come Monday to my office. I'll pay the hotels and we're about to take care of it His mom just passed away now and he was a big chance that he was in my team. So it's just a matter of like people If you have air in your lungs. If you get the chance to wake up one more day, You can do it You can totally do it. I believe in that so much. I have such an amazing be. I didn't get here alone Like nobody gets there alone. You have people that have helped you. When this guy told me that he has survived the situation, seen good thing and his friendships. Oh, and one more thing he told me, he said between all them, they couldn't complain. And I thought it was so beautiful because in her every day we complain so much about Dumb things. that if you use that energy to complain, you're going another way. It's the wrong way to go. And he said that during the snow it was no complaining, loving each other, seeing one good thing and knowing that nobody told them that it was impossible to survive. So in your everyday, I feel like what he said is like nobody can tell you you're not capable of doing something. See one beautiful thing every single day and do not complain. That's a great story Thats That's a great experience. You said we can watch the is a movie or don do' It's a movie. It's called The Society of Snow fx. It's fantastic. The scenes are sos true It's true So once see that Ohh my gosh, you see like how how did they actually survive? But that's the thing. I feel like those those type of situations when people go through that. It was just like the Hudson River crash. And I heard this beautiful story. The pilot said, one engine is out, the other one is out as well. This guy goes I realized in that moment when the plane was crashing That I haven't loved my wife enough, that I didn't have spend time with my friends, all these things that you are waiting to do someday.. Right. And that's why we have our planes crashing every single day sometimes. We feel like we're down and under, but this's a moment of wake up call. This iss the moment when you take a deep breath. I like myself when I'm feeling down, doing the ten second rule and it's just counting myself ten, nine, eight, even like rockets, they count backwards because they're going to go up So I feel myself like that, even when I don't feel like I count myself ten, nine, eight, seven, and on one, I'm up and I'm doing So's little rules here on that I place myself and nobody taught me, another thing I like to call is the rule of nines. So people who like productivity tips, I put like a TikTok board and it's like nine squares. And if you just put nine squares throughout your day or throughout your week and you cross them, the mind leftves completion. So if you cross it out Physically, I love tech, but I like some things physically. Yeah love. Cross it out and post it notes and just cross it out. Your brain loves completion and you feel like you're advancing more than if you think that your brain can hold everything together can but once you feel completion, it's fantastic. So certain things that I've learned. It's like when you're in school and they put a happy happy face sticker and you're like, yay, and you're happy. When we're adults, we don't have that. So we have to give that to ourselves and we have to give the grace of us trying Nobody gave us the blueprint of life. think that P made us believe that we have another day They'll have more time Time to love, time to forgive, more time to try that thing that we wanna start Live. L is moments We think that we own those moments, but we don't That's why we have to make the mostast of it And at the end of the day, when our time comes I don't want to be able to say I wish I had. Because when the time comes I want to say I tried I loved I did it my way and the invisible footprint that you're liaving in someone else's lives. That's what matters. I heard the other day that when you die, men especially get their furs set of roses or a bouquet of flowers And that was beautiful in a way because why do we say all these things when people die? Why do we hand them a set of flowers when we can do it when we're alive They said that two times that people are gathered in your live, all the important people in your lifeve are either at your wedding or at your funeral Right? And I thought that is sad in a way Because real life, real life is trying. Re life is failing. I don't believe in failure. It's just data, but let's call it failure I believe in the power that we have as humans to grab each other's hands and be better. Right now in this time of our lives, we see more division than ever And we see division because we don't understand. And when we don't understand something, it's easier to criticize. it's easier to And nowaday, with the media, with the world and what's going on, I believe in unity. believe that we're separated by things that should never be separated And I love that if we cant get the message of just unity that we're all humans under the skin, we are all boundes. We're at the same And I believe as humans, we can give each other the hand of love and the power of sincerity and the power of You know what? I can help you. And if you need someone, I will call you and check in on your friends. There's so much loneliness, It's a new epidemic. It's a new pandemic. Loneliness. especially with economic situation as well as like peopleeople are not being able to have kids and I work in the political space as well. And when you ask them, o, we're not having babies It's not because I don't want to because maybe, you know, they can't afford peopleeople who are lonely because they got divorce or then depression. And I do believe that now, especially now, we can come together as humans not as political parties, not as riss, not as nations, but as humans. The other day I was sitting at the table where they were Christians Where they were Jews, where they were each one of literally Arabs. was it was beautiful. And I told them that you realize there's one of each And we can all talk. because we can all listen to each other. And then it's beautiful but now that I've been moving around And Uers The other day my Uber driver asked me about my religion H Musim. And I asked him about his And as soon as I got off, the Uberhi said, Inshalama, I hope your day is beautiful It was beautiful. He was praying in his culture and his And it's beautiful And I told him, God bless you So the moment that we understand each other as humans, is not as political parties, not as anything else that the media can portray and we just see each other as human beings, I think that the moment that we're sitting in the table iss a table that should be everywhere and around the world It's because you listen, because you understand So the moment you start listening to more people, you understand more and getting your own opinion Hey everyone, it's Cal Penn. I'm the host of EarsSaay. Audible and IHart Audiobook Cub. This week on the podcast, I am sitting down with Ray Porter, the narrator of Andy Weir's audiobook Pject Hail Mary, Massive sci fi adventure about survival and science. And what happens when you wake up alone very far from Earth? 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Exactly R we're not actually hearing them because there's so much noise And today, we have access to more cultures, more countries more opinions than ever before, but No one's actually hearing anyone anymore Because you're just filtering it through your own lens. Because you feel that your opinion is so set in stone that it becomes your identity. Yeah, absolutely. It's because we'd rather be right than have peace. Exactly Yeah. one hundred understand. That's why when you listen to someone trulyiesen the what you just said is that I feel like more and more today with with Pitics are all around the world is that you feel like that's your identity And that's not your identity And once you understand more about situations, and we have more people talking about free press, let's say, more information, different ways that you can get your information. you can understand that but any political party cannot be your identity. Your identity is something completely different. It's who you are on your everyday, who you're becoming for a better person And the other day I found this beautiful story that I told there are three gennies and they decided where to hide happiness from humans. And the one genie goes, you know what Let's hide it at the bottom of the ocean. And the other goes, you know what? No. they're going to build a submarine. they're going to find it. Yeahah, you're right The other one says, let's put at the top of the mountain.ith're going learn and put equipment, they're going to climb and find it And the last geniieus says Why don't we hide it inside them? They were never going to dare to find it there. Now that is so funny because it's true because we're seeking happiness externally. And we've been taught that because since we're little, if it's not an applause It's not valid. When people say, let's take a picture and post it because if not, it didn't happen. You know what? I love when I take a picture that I'm never gonna post because it made me happy. It's the best, That's the best. It the moment that you understandood it was for you. The other day my partner took a picture of me and I'm like o Oh my gosh, I look horrible. And he's like, No, to me, you look beautif No, and I want to remember this moment and it's about moments. It's not about externally. So when this story about the genies just remind me of It's true mean this is inside you, The purpose is inside you. It never left. You just let it rotten based on someone else's opinions and because they didn't clap for you So the purpose never leftgh. the other day someone told me, I fell out on my purpose, I lost my purpose. and'm like no, no. Your purpose is inside you. It never left you We just let outside opinion dictate your decisions. Yeah, it's when you feel disconnected from yourself Stop listening to yourself that you get distracted by other people's opinion is when you think you've lost your purpose. one hundred percent. Corl, I wanted to switch into a bit of entrepreneurship and I want to do this segment with you called this or that. Okay I love it. And so I'm going to ask you this or that and you're going tell me which one and then why? G it. And we're going to go through quite a few. the first one is Do you believe in discipline or motivation? Oh, discipline, one hundred percent. Motivation fates Motivation phase when everyone's, I'm so motivated That happens a lot. I was super motivated in January to start gym. went twice, motivation died, I'm out, right? When people say I'm motivated to start a new diet, but I'm going to start on Monday. Wh Monday? Why can' you just start Thursday? Because as humans, we just decided that Monday was it or January was it. But now oh what is it? Oh, we're halfway through our week and it's almost June. so that means we're halfway through the year and that means, you know what? I'm going to start next year. We're too late No, motivation fades. Discipline Discipline makes you wake up the day so you don't want to. Discipline makes you want on a rainy day. Discipline means you're up until five AM and you haven't slept and you haven't had any food, and you're still goingone because you have to finish that task. disiscipline one hundred percent Olympic athletes, you know, and you've probably talked to so many and it's discipline. Yeah. They don't they don't want to go and swim on minus two degrees and train for the Olympics. and it's gonna hurt. And that's the same thing with entrepreneurship. it's going It's not the same physical pain as an athlete, but it's a different kind of pain when you're an entrepreneur not going to pay yourself at first a salary. You're going to pay your team first or you're going to have noodles and pasta for the next year because you can't a a lot of things It's a different kind of pain, but it's And if you stick to it It's just like when people post the first time they open an Instagram account, they post once, they post twice, like it's not working Dpline Discipline. You're gonna get there. You're gonna learn. My first video sucked. My first videos got like fifty likes. No, no, My first videos got my mom, my dad's likes and probably someone else account that followed that day, I was a bot, right? But then it just gz and you learn from that. It's not immediate. so Discipline. Okay. disiscipline over motivation Ideas or execution. I feel like both because you have to have a strong idea of what you want to do and not change ten thousand times the idea because sometimes the idea is good you have to execute it and change sometimes a lot of things for that idea to work because sometimes we think we know the industry we're getting to. But we actually don't until we're there. And we have to do a lot of different things like the path to get there L it the visual and strong So when people say that idea is bad It's not bad. You just haven't tried one thing for a long time to see if it's working. So you try five different variables and you don't know which one's working and you think like, h, it's not working. No, just one thing at a time. I feel like at the same time a lot of people have great ideas But just don't stick to it for a long period. That's I'm an execution over ideas person. I feel like I've seen the worst ideas become really successful because someone executed really well on it. You see Lake or death, right Yeah water like water making it turn water b. It's just water. Brillant. That's how they do it that the Metaturade that we just talked about It is not saturated. Totally. Yeah. I mean I was told podcasting was saturated seven years ago when there were seven hundred thousand podcasts. Today there's two and a half million podcasts. There go. So I fully agree with you. Last one of these, intuition or data. So I feel like intuition is data. N talk to me about. Intuition. What is the actual meaning of intuition? And for me, intuition is just all lot the things that you've lived, which is data which has given you a sense that we don't know how to explain. Did you know that when you're a baby, the first organ that is born is your stomach? So when you feel intuition and say, I feel it, I feel it is because gl start of there So intuition for me is just stat out that you've lived in order for not to make a mistake or in order to make a good decision So in my case, a lot of times when I started in my career, Beet a woman Young at eighteen manage a political campaign on social media when social media wasn't a thing. It was kind of like, who is she? She's young. She doesn't have a degree. She doesn't have the thing, right But then as I started moving, I worked with soccer, which is fully male dominated. Tech is a space that has now more and more women. But when I started It was me well, until now, I feel like I work with one hundred percent men on my meetings on everything. It's just a matter of like getting into an industry where you have to believe in yourself so much that you're not drawn apart. So when people give me excuses about I'm too young or I'm this and that or that, there's no excuse anymore. The path and the information has now been open to so much to so many people. I felt before it was said on a book It was that on st. Yeah. Google came. if Google said it It must been right. then Alexa came. If Alexa said it, beautiful. If Siri came, it must have been true. And now we have ChaGBT. If ChaGBT said, information has been out there all along I started coding when there was no Touch GPT to help me to code. hadad to go and read, actually read and go to articles and blogs and stuff online to try to understand. So if you really want it nowadays You can do it, like anything other entrepreneur So it's just intuition for me is a must because it's just back into by the data that you've Because you do so much of this in your professional life, you're guiding people in their presidential campaigns, you're guiding Fortune five hundred CEOs when it comes to their social media strategy, their digital strategy. If someone right now wants to start building a social media following, what are the first three things that they should do First things, go and search your competitors You know what I love to do? I love to go to Google and find notot the five stars. the three stars because the three stars are giving you a path of where it was Omost good but not terrible. and that's your gap. So go to Google Search your competitors. go to Instagram And on Instagram, I would go even to your page when I started And I wanted to see what people liked It's not going to be the same from you and me because I'm going to do something totally different. So people are like, oh, she's copying or you're copy, noobbody's copying anything because warm water is already there has been created, right go to your competitors. The first time I started my first account on e commerce, I would go to Google. I would see the three sar reviews. And then I would go to all the people I commented. I would go and find them on social media go to their social media page and literally invite them to go see my page. So when people are like, oh, it's not working, noody's following me. I'm like,y, have you done the work? It's easy at first, especially if you're sol entrepreneur. So first, definitely go and stal. Step one. Yeah. Your algorithm is showing you about your same thing over and over again. So you're saturated, that's the way to go Not intentionally, but intentionally Your subconscious tries to copy that and you turn out to be something that you're not because you're copying that, right? And The biggest ideas that I've gotten for other people's brands or strategies I've done ome if I'm looking into soap I would go to nail polish because I would get ideas from there and then we will apply it here. So trying to make your algorithm show you something else that's not in your industry because you're saturated with that that you think that's the path to go. And if that's not the path to go, It's done. force your algorithm to show you different things. And third Be patient Because social media today, there's no saturation. I started eight months ago and built a huge platform. It's so funny because it's like the Mandela effect peopleople to me and say, I've been following you for years. And I've been eight months on social media. Right. So it's just the fact that they saw me so many times that they think they've seen me there. But that's the thing my petss can be different from you If you're patient and you don't have a rush and you truly believe in yourself and your idea You're gonna get there. So it's just a lot of patience. Anything in life is patience Nothing happens in a blink of an eye. It's like just getting your body toned. Like if you want to go on YouTube and put, how to get apps in seven days. and there are a lot of those videos, you're not gonna get them, right. The muscle builds and the muscle of resilience in business, it's hard, it's tough, but you build a muscle. You build resilience, you build character. And for me, character is something so important because today We hear a lot of people talking about success. But it were truly is success. is who you are as a person, who you're leaving with and the values that you're leaving people with. And in your business, if you're a business owner, always ABCs. The ABCs is always be communicating. And I love that because if you are communicating with your team, if you're communicating in love, Nothing can go wrong. I feel like one of the most important things as humans is the lack of communication becausecause when there's lack of communication Bad things happen everywhere. It doesn't matter what happens, it's just It just goes bad. I had one time one of my team had a bad communication with a business that we were doing and instead of putting a zero, they added another zero and sent the wire. So I was like, Oh, that's beautiful. Okay what're gonna do about it? It was a lack of communication between teams. So it's just a matter of like communicating and love, the same thing. Once communication ends, love ends That's something I like to talk about is becoming an entrepreneur is who you're with romantically. It's very important. Interesting. Tell me about that who you have next to you can definitely define you because I've feel a lot of very talented people that can't go past that because of the person who have next to it because they make them feel stuck. If you are a woman get into business, I felt like You have to have someone that is not afraid of you being more than them, maybe Because there's certain stigmas in this life that the man was the one that provided man was And now we see more and more entrepreneurs, more women who are super powerful by themselves Right now I have the most beautiful relationship, right? And I see the difference from others because he is happy by my success. He's happy to, you know help me in the ways that he can to make me succeed, right close friends who have partners who don't make it easy for them. I feel like when you're an entrepreneur, you're marrying the vision. You're not marrying the person. You are marrying late nights, You're marrying an idea that the other person cannot see but has to trust you. And when you understand that, everything changes Because when you marry an entrepreneur, you're marrying uncertainty, you're marrying late nights. You're marrying those things that having a nine to five might not give you because that's more stability, right? But an entrepreneur, ooh, m're an entrepreneur is just marrying an idea that might change ten times and you have to be good with it. It might mean that they're going to miss birthdays. Yeah. It might mean that They're in their phone all the time It might mean that, you know, you are on a dinner and you have to leave to take the call And you have to be okay with that because you're marrying that person or you're dating that person. Yeah. So I feel like who you are with in this lifetime can either make or break you. And it's just not about being comfortable with the idea because sometimes like I'm comfortable with them I'm saying. L is not meant to be comfortable. Life has meant to be uncomfortable. I' never want to be comfortable. The other day they asked me in an interview and they said, But why do you want more I don't want more because it comes to monetary because I want more money. It's because I know that I'm not finish being the woman I want to become And when you're becoming, that means you're uncomfortable. And for example, you right now entering a new space, It's uncomfortable at times because It's more work and it's more things and you haveven that's why I take it on That's why we But I can never envision myself being so comfortable that I'm on a Tuesday night and I'm like, okay No, I want more because life is meant to be lived to the fullest, meant to be used so much. You know, I wake up every day, I came here and I was so excited about this because you know what? once you start living, I feel like in our industry you get to enjoy all these cool places and dinners and events I remember the first time I got invited to the American Music Awards After Party and it was a Chain Worers After Party. And I did not know anyone of the industry And my friend, Jason Richmond, he was at the time of the Vice Pident of Paramount Pictures. and I met him there. And we were sitting at this like fireplace and he goes like, Ohh it's so cold And he goes out and we go, yeah, yeah, yeah And he', what do you do? And I'm like, Ohh, I'm anfluener I'm a blogg. He's like, Ohh, that's so cool canan you come to my office to Paramount? I'm interested in what we can do together I wasn'comfortable at that point because they were all celebrities. I remember like one direction was there. like Haley Seinple, Like there was so many people that I did not feel comfortable. I' What can I talk to these people about? Like who am I? The imposter syndrome. And imposter syndrome at the end of the day, is just you're getting to a new level that you're not familiar with. It's like getting to an airport where you already know the gate, you already know where you're going to have lunch or you know all these things and you go to the airport and you feel ease. But when you're landing to a new, you do not know you're kind of like, oh, wait, wait, where is the gate? That's kind of what imposter. That's analogy. I like that. It feelels like. is just another So at that time, I remember I was sitting down at this after party and I started talking to this guy who I did not know who he was. So I go like, Oh, and what do you do? And he's like I sing Like, oh, that's cool And then my friend goes like, Oh, you're talking to Pose Malone and I'm like oh, I did't know how he looks like, you know. And this was this really cool thing when I met Daddy Yankkee as well. Im like, okay, where's where's the guy He's like That's the guy. I'm like, Oh, that's guy, you know? So it's just moments that you're uncomfortable and you have to be yourself and you have to be open up the possibilities of what life can bring to you And at this point, I remember in my career, I got to meet so amazing and intigent people. and A lot of times you just see they're humans. When when social media and you see a number is just a number. I'm a human. You're a human. Everyone in is this room. We're just normal people. We all have problems The only thing that we have different is that we dare to believe in ourselves so much that people believed in us and gave us a follow. I wouldn't be here sitting if people weren't following me. You wouldn't be sitting giving me the interview people that didn't believe in you. So it's just a matter of like D don't believe in the impmoster syndr D don't believe it's not real It's just believe in the thing that I just said. someomewhere you've not been yet which I love the word yet. You're not successful yet. You are not there yet It's just yet. And I have been doing this movement. I've been going around, we brought it to so many countries. It's one hundred and twenty two countries we brought it to And it's the I stille build movement. And I'm launching my book next year, so I'm going to be definitely launching it with you, but Is ISOL Bilt movement? Is that we're all builders Either way or not, we are building something And I love to do this every time I go somewhere to a different country. I love to do this part where I put on the screen and I'm like When fear takes over me and it tells you, I'm not enough. what do you say? And people go around and say, I still build when and I still doing all these things and people go like, I still buil And you just start bleing I'm a builder. You're a builder. We're all builders. we're building different lives. Someone is becoming a mother full time that's beautiful you're building a home Building an idea from scratch doesn't exist. You're a builder You're building a life alongside someone that you're going to spend the rest of your life. You're a builder. You're building an idea that might exist and you want to tweak it a little bit. That's awesome Builder And in this stage of life, we just See that we're, like I said, in the same boat in different destinations, we all have problems. We have crisis in life. And I understood the power of time with this because my dad, I'm an only child My parents have been They are my life. They are my greatest support. But you know what? it's something that I understood that they always believed in me I always saw them as builders because they build their businesses from scratch. I always knew what a real entrepreneurship Intrepreneur looks like because when I was young, I would go to the office on a Saturday because they were building, right And my grandma always told me something is You can do it And I rememember this, you can do it because there was like a little thing in my bed. and she would hold my hand and she would let go and she said like, You can cross. You can do it This iss the same thing, the most beautiful thing that you can do in life is believing yourself so much of what you're building It doesn't matter what it is, but it's just believing on what you're building. And in this moments of you can do it Sometimes I do what is called the power Pose. In the powerower Pose, I heard this article about this neurosurgeon who stood up that he was going to do operate in this little girl's brain. She was three years old As a neurosurgeon, he said that if he had had like a tiny mistake, the girl would basically be brain dead So he said that it was like a sixteen, seventeen hour surgery. And he would go in front of a mirror before it and he did the power bols, right And after I heard that, I always do the power pose. So what is a power pose? You stand in front of Mirror, you put your arms like a superman and you lock yourself You see yourself Yeah. and you see who you really are. You're like, you know what? Let's do this. bring it. They tell me I can't Watch me You you think I cannot do it? Watch me And I love that Because once you understand the power that is inside you Nothing can break you. Yeah. And seeing yourself in the mirror is something that I always ask How many times you talked to yourself Like no, I talk to myself. I'm not you are thinking. You're having thoughts And there was a harvest study that said that seventy eight percent of thoughts are negative on a daily basis So when I heard that, I'm like, you're not talking to yourself. You are listening to your thoughts and mute But what if I told you that you stand in front of airror and you sat, You know what, Coral can have a beautiful day. You're so powerful. You're so capable You're breathing, you get one more chance and you put yourself in powerps and you see yourself, you see the parentside do. No one that you admire has something different than you They just believe in theirsel so much that once you stand in front of the mirror and you do the talk to yourself and you do this, oh, I've become so beautiful. I love it. I mean, I can definitely say that before I go on stage There's really a mirror there because I'm backstage. but Whenever I go on before stage, if I'm in PowerPose, it is so much more easier to go out there and own the stage. than it is when you're like just sitting there thinking about stuff, whatever it may be. And I love the distinction you made between the thoughts and the mind. That's not talking to yourself, that's just hearing. Yeah. And the big one that I took away there My favorite type of people are over communicators Hey everyone. It's Cal Pen, host of Earsay, the Audible and IHart Audioobook Club. This week on the podcast. I'm sitting down with divergent author Veronica Roth to talk about her sprawling new novel, Seek The Traitor's Son It's a sci fi fantasy epic about two protagonists on opposite sides of a war and a prophecy neither of them wanted My first book was Divergent. and when that came out like, Because it was so popular, I think it attracted like mostly positivity, but the negativity I sucked in like a sponge.