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Winning is great, but changing a sport is bigger than any Olympic golal I could ever win Hey everyone, welcome back to On Purpose, the place you come to become happier, healthier and more healed. Today's guest is not only a friend, but someone who I'm so fascinated to dive into his mindset. I love top performers, people who are operating at peak places and making incredible impact happen across the world in their field, and this is one of those people Miles Chamley Watson is an Olympic medalist redefining the sport with his style, confidence and a vision that's pushing it far beyond what it's ever been before Mares Chamy Watson, Wlcome to O purpose. Well, thank you. That was an absolute incredible intro. It's an honor to be here honestly Be before I kind of got to meet you, it's really nice to be a fan of your work And I think you instill some incredible ideas on people making them feel better, which the world needs more than ever. So thank you for that And it's an hon We met in the best way possible I felt like we were on a boys trip, which is what I felt like And it just turned out to be like the easiest conversation. You guys like invited me into the Wolf pack, which made me feel really, really comfortable. We played poker from eleven PM to seven AM three nights in a row We were out on the water, we were hanging it was amazing. and I just You know, I know that I was kind of coming in fresh and new and it was just you were one of those people you in spins, especially the Cha spins. You were one of those people that just made me feel like at home. Not only are you amazing at what you do which will get into you're a great guy off as well. So I appreciate you, man. Thank you. I want to dive in by asking you like What I heard from you and I've been watching interviews and obviously I came to a event which we'll talk about in a second I feel like you always felt like you didn't quite fit in Talk to me about your earliest memory that reminds you of that feeling Being born in London, my mom was kind of the momum and dad That was kind of in my life 'il was about eight years old So I think naturally you kind of Bell So I think when I was playing football, running truck in fields, I always felt like I was just different, kind of my approach, my mindset. And then we moved to America I was about nine or ten kind of in between those years. And those years are very important, right? Well your friends are there, your family' there So naturally moving from London to New York I was like, I don't wantan to be here. So getting into trouble, getting kicked out of my first school public school, then it kick out of my second school And then My mother met someone that was on the admissions program for a private school, which to give tuition grants because we had money at the time punishment I had to pick up tennis fencing or badmen Punishment because they can consider mental sports. I was like Ohh, whatever. spports are fun And then I was like wait, I can pick up a sword and like stab you. Right? I was this is like the kid's dream and then immediately That wass my purpose. Beuse you put the mask on and he's like a superhero And I think that was The first time I realized like, okay, this is going to be My way out, whatever I'm kind of in and then I was very ADD ADHD And then Fencing kind of cameame my outer role As I thought better in fencing, I saw to get better in school So that kind of ended up being a double sided sword which ended up be my job I kind of got very, very lucky in finding fencing because I don't know what I'd be now if I wasn't You know, professal offence though, which is a crazy thing to say, you know I feel like sports when you're young are so important. What was the difference Because everyone pled sports. I played a lot of sports growing older You're obviously phenomenal at what you do ly did you realize that this could be something you were actually really good at? I think it was immediately. Really Yeah picked that right away and Ellen Grayson, who I love her to the death, Hello. She was like M you could be Yeah, I was like Listen fence really And I think immediately, I felt this connection, I was like nothing else in my life And it was like my therapy. And I think Nowadays it's like kids ADD, AHD first thing is like he we should give him a pill or give them a drug. And I'm like Find them something that they love. I think that's the key is and the sports are amazing because The money if you' rich or poor at the end of the day It's who's going to win, right? Same sword in my hand, same masle on my head I think that's why sports are so incredible because they saved my life I never knew at that time that it would be my el Ele book Fening literally Save my life Wow, whichich is crazy to say. Yeah, but I believe you, I can feel it. like you just sitting with you and you say that. I'm like, wow, that's like because I feel like so many parents today are wondering How do I get my kid to be confident? How do I get my kid to like Get out then and I couldn't agree with you more that You only feel confident when you have some competence. Like when you feel like you have a skill or you have an ability, and you have something to do beyond scrolling on your phone or you know, watching a show or playing video games or whatever it may be. for you, talk to me about what do you think life would have looked like if you didn't find fencing that early I honestly don't know because we're hang around the corner shops, you know, getting into trouble, stealing sweets, just kind of because we didn't really know what there was for us. And I think That's also very important having a father figuring your life. and think my mom found my stepdad Colin who I say my dad to you because he is my dad raised me I think that's also very, very important is because you need someone that's going to tell you know. when they can and I honestly don't think I would be definitely not talking to you and I definitely I don't know if I'd behind bars to be honest with. becausecause I was just such a crazy little kid My friends I grew up with, you know, the plumbers, the happy But I was kind of the only one out of us to kind of make it out and create an name for myself. Wherea did you go up in? First it was Southwest London and then it was Ealing And then it was Putney and then Kilburn a little bit. Yeah yeah. And then we moved to New York Yeah, and a really, really funny story twentyelve Olympics, my three friends Aaron Adam and Blake, they're all brothers, they werere plumbers and they actually built the Olympic village. No. So yeah first time I was saying that, yeah, they actually built the village. That's so cool. They're cool.' like Hey, I'm building a vill. I like, what you mean? And're like plumbing it and making it And then they kind of got to see me compete. twelve and it all came. So that was a full soccer moment for me. That's amazing. Yeah That's so good man. Yeah, it was crazy. And that just happened by chance. There was no connectivity or anything. By chance. And I think life is obviously but timing is everything in life. and I really believe that. And I think Some things might be not the right time, relationships, partners, sports, but sport, I think of the number one thing. if I have children, I would put them in right away way. I'm going gonna to tell to be a off fenser, but I think just sports teach you How to lose, what it feels like intntegrity, listening And I think that's what fencing taught me. I told you this before. I don't think we had a proper conversation about it. So I did fencing at school And I won some super amateur championships that like fourteen, fifteen, sixteen. don't I don't you know, maybe I'm joking. I could never have been good enough to compete with what you do, but I loved it as a sport actually. I thought it was pretty it was really strategic, It was tactical The fitness level was, you know, it was challenging. I still remember actually really well. we do it in the gym at school. Talk to me about the importance of a mentor though, becausecauseuse it sounds like you gave a shout out to someone there And I was like, I think that's the difference. when I played a lot of sports at school You've got to have someone who kind of takes you under their wing and like invests in you and makes you feel Like you could go fine. I've found them in life, I found them in business. I've found them in spirituality and meditation and other areas of my life But sports is somewhere where I think a coach or a mentor is just the most important person. T talk to me about how you found yours. one hundred percent, I think Ellen Grayson and Eric Rosenberg, they work at the school at the time and they saw my potential And theyre actually were the first person to say, Get your citizenship But I didn't realize That't going to be who I am to this day. Without them, I would never probably seen my potential and seen how far could take fencing And then my coach, Simon Goson, became like my dad can tell them everything She's kind of teaching me that, you know, that you must learn how to lose before we can learn how to win, which is a tattoo I have, which I think is so important because Understand the feeling of losing As an athlete, this is the hardest thing, you know to kind understand and swallow But then you have to understand what that feels like. So when you do win, you appreciate that more than ever I told him every day, I'm not feeling good, He can sense it So to me, having a coach and a mentor and a role model is so important I think now that's why I love Being that for the kids down whichich is one of reons why my saughters L. but I love seeing kids look up to me parents ask me questions and I think if I can be A little bit of a catalst or kind of a helper for them Bigger than winning, any madluck could ever win That's such great advice. Where is your toe? Is it can? Yeah, it's someone here. Yeah. someomeone. How many toes do you have? hundred and fifty. Really? Yeahes. mad. Yeah, because I tattooed my hands because the fening were worn white. I was like, you know, I wantan to stuck out and my mom hated it because she' ish lady. Now I remember when we were traveling as well, you got these crazy ones on your shin as well, Y legs Yeah When did you start twenty twelve, I got my first one in London. Oh that's late att the Olympics. Yeahah. and it says fromrom London to London And then I won more championships and I got the dates. And then I was like I really like it And then I just kind of went crazy with it. But they're all very, very purposeful. They' not just random ones I've gotten for the sake of it What's the lose and win one again? Say that again? You must learn how to lose before you can learn how to win. I've really liked that. Yeah. That's dope. and I really understood that when I lost Olympics we got fourth and I was like, ohit four years. and then I kind of changed my whole mentality And then twenty thirteen was one of my history. and I was the first ever black American world champion in the history of fencing And I think if I didn't lose, I don't know if I'd ever win which is a weird thing to kind of say But I think it's pretty poignant and I think it is very important for your character And just trying to be as humble and even c as you can, because I never understand some athletes who reach a certain peak And they just change who they are. And I think if you can keep You know, the little kid in you, then I think you'll you'll be able to go through life with a lot more. Gs then losses. It's such powerful advice. I remember I had obviously I never competed at any level, but I remember having a football coach who'd always say to us, he was like If you win, celebrate for a night and then get back to training And if you lose, cry for a night and then get back to training. Yeah. And he was like, all you have to do is get back to training. Yeah. said E everythingthing else is irrelevant. You can celebrate for one night, you can cry for one night, but get on with it. becausecause his whole point was like when we lose We cry for a month And when you win, you celebrate for a night, and that's why you remember the bad times more than the good times because when you lose, you get so deep into it. talkalk to me about that loss that you had the details of like what it felt like to lose in that way. Well, it felt like your life was over at that time. My nan was there. You know, she's an African, myunts, my uncles always supporting me and I'm like, I feel like let everybody down And they don't care. They'll be for who I am. at that time, That wass my biggest moment in sports is making the Olympics in twentyelve in London And I just felt like, oh hometown is well Hometown, Asain of myself And a really, really beautiful moment for me was I'm in the village and the bosle team walks in and Kloby walks in And he's like, hi, I w you and I'm like How are you doing? Is I'm Kobbe, I'm like I know who you will. I'm miles on a fencer. And he told me this quote, I never forget it. I got tattoo in my leg. He says, The best athletes have the shortest memory You win, you forget about it, you lose, you forget about it. When you're done your career You can celebrate all you want And I sit there and I was like Wow And immediately that grin turned into a smile And then I changed my whole mentality and then I won the next year I was able to tell him, which was really, really beautiful But I think when you meet someone like that who you look up to And they're just even more incredible in person And it's just very humble and told me that from his coach And I never ever forget that. I never tattooed on the back of my leg with his face So I think those moments priceless to me. and I think if I would have won, would I have had that time with him Or what have I have been able to do more my sport So I think everything has a reason to come into your life, whether it's positive or negative And I'm grateful for these moments in life that You know, incredible. That's such a great story. Yeah. get it. Toby It came on the podcast the first year of the podcast. It was brand new. We just started out And he did exactly what you said. He walked into the room and he introduced himself as Kobe to my whole team And everyone wass like, Yeahah, we know exactly who you are And my favorite memory from that day was that when we walked in, he was in his office And you could just see the silhouette of his head and his team was saying that he was meditating in there before he came to do the interview and said they said he did that every morning. When we finished the interview, this was a little clip. I still have this clip. I've never put it out there because I feel it would be disrespectful. but At the end of he goes, I can see why you're number one. And I was just like, that will like Stay with me forever. Wow. gave me the biggest hug and yeah, I was so grateful to. that was like three months before his tragic passings. it was like right then Yeah, what what an incredible role model, amazing energy, like so present, really humble. Everything you just said, like just Meeting someone at that level, that caliber who was just so down to earth. I don't want to talk too much about it because obviously respect to him, but I was on set with Nike talking about him day it happened Oh day happened And then Lewis actually texted me at love every brother and I was at le loveve, too, but my phone was in the green room And I was talking about him his impact on me And everybody just stood in silence and it was just like It was, you know, and I think Lger than life these people and lifeife's a brutal reminder and I think it's just Enjoy every moment you can negatives or positives And I think that's all we can do in life and just leave with love and Every else would take care of itself, but that man was so special. Yeah, one of a kind. It was one of the few athletes I knew that was Peaceful in retirement Yeah. he was really happy because he was getting he won the Oscar for the short film that was teaching lessons basketball. Yeahah, exactly But I was thinking about it. You mentioned something there. You said that you know the first that person in the sport to win. I mean that just first of all, that is a H huge accomplishment. conratulations. I just want to than you. Acknowledge and honor just what a big deal that is But fencing is known for being a notoriously white sport. Yeah. Like that's what it's always been, I assume. You can film me in the history a little bit. to me about even breaking into something like that because I don't That's not normal. That doesn't sound easy I'm sure there's a lot of things to navigate. likeike walk me through that experience. I was in a group class. and You know, they pick we w on a team. We did like a first team event. It was like so three people one teamless of the three. And every time I was picked lost, knowing I was not the worst one And at the time, you're kind of like H right, is this is weird. I'm that kind of looks like me in it. and then I started to realize that No one in the sport made a mock on them that was my color. Sides Peter Westbrok who I have to give some homage to And then My first ever Junior Olympics, I never forget it. I got five Redd cards. for no reason And I knew it was because it color my skin because the next day I won under seventeen, I knew it And now I've seen the referee to to this day and I still have this I was like a little kid And it's just you don't know why things are happening to you. But then as I got old, I started to realize It just because of the color of my skin knowing that sport had broken that mold. And there's been countless times of referees and coaches that are just racial gestures that I've never really talked about 'cause my mom always just said just win an end Can I say I've had many occasions from probably fourteen Uil seventeen, eighteen, then I was like I'm the best now And it's unfortunate because now there's still racism in the sport, right? It happened with this kid in Amsterdam and I messageed him right away and like you know, I' yourre back and I'll talk about it and I'll post about it because it's You need someone's gonna to have you your back because it's a very lonely feeling when you're the only one that has felt this way Once I started to realize that I made it like a positive chip on my shoulder And I was like, okay. And I never look at life as anything negative, whether it's You know, being maced profiled or Losing, I always have a positive outlook on everything because it's never a lost. It's always a lesson. And I think that was something that I was like, okay This is going to be Change in the sport And I will leave fencing in good hands because I know I've changed a sport for the best How did you handle it at the time when you didn't have someone reaching out to you? The good thing about fencing is I can take my aggression out on my opponent So it's a positive thing for the sport. too channel it. Yeah. You know, you're crying in the locker room. I never crying for my mom You know, lookuck you have a mask on, you, you know, shoot your opponent and put the mask back on But I think at that age it' It's okay to cry and it's okay to let things out because all Coaches and parents who I've seen who have actually shun their kids for shun emotions. I've seen parents leave their kids at competitions because their kid lost to me. And actually the kid is actually my friend now. And it's just a shame that parents don't realize like how much pressure is on Ill ask to us when So I think now seeing kids that look more like us, brown, white, whatever, girls, I just want to m them feel comfortable and happy and safe I think if I can be this speaking for them then that's what I want to do in the sport. Well that was so incredible when you launched the World Fencing League. I just got to attend in LA. I felt like you had people from different countries, different cultures, different backgrounds. I mean, that was pretty epic man. That was amazing. It was honestly a dream come true. We sold out We broke records, I think over a million people live watching, which is more than the Olympics And I think just seeing kids So happy that the sport is on the map was the best feeling I've ever felt in my life. So seeing all the little kids on the red carpet All all the fences inside telling me M, I think you've done it. that was to me greatest day of my life because it was just We really changed the sport on one day because now there's an audience of people that have never seen it, like yourself, like People in tech, people in sports, people that I've looked up to to the fencing fans to get the love that they deserved was Incredible ven as I'm smiling because I'm generally so happy that it happened and now the response has been so positive so we can keep growing and growing I just want to get fencing on a mainstream, you know, channel and platform, which is going to happen take someone like myself to know that it's going to be tough, but How'd you handle it Hey, it's Kelly Roland. You may not know this, but I have eczema. so I get how it can steal your time. But why let eczema take over when you can talk to your doctor about EBLlS? 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Ask your doctor about adding For anyone who doesn't really know that much about fencing, was new to it Walk us through like what the regime is, what the fitness training is, what the skill is, what the art is, like how you train. It's almost like when people watch drive to survive, that was when people realized what F one drivers did. Yeah. I'm sure you're working on a version of that s fancing, I see it.es. And I feel like getting inside your mind is interesting to me because I'm like, I love knowing how people are performing at the highest levels figurered that out because that's what I'm obsessed with is knowing how you perform at that level and that peak. So what's the training? what's the cus, what's the pattern? What are the things that you have to do that might surprise us? I would say fenc things like physical chest, right? where It's mentally just as taxing as physically Be I have to think what you're going to do ahead and then react to what you're going to do as well So I'd say the three main things would be being explosive. Your reaction? and your timing. So if I have to react to you and then my timing of hitting you before you can hit me, I would say is very, very important. But then it becomes a beautiful dance as well where I'm more of a feeling type of fencer where I like to see what you're going to do. I like to look at your feet, I to look at your mannerisms. But then there's guys that are very good too that are very mental and they'll just sit kind of more defensive and kind of pick you apart I would say fencings like If sing Tyikewondo And hundred meters had a baby. Wow it to be very explosive wrap to gate You have to be very, very reactive. But then you have to have a feeling of kind of, if things go bad, how do I change right away So it's kind of like there's no real sport like fencing because it's so unique. And then once you see in person. you're like, oh my God The'real aletes. I'm like D don't let the parent trap, you know, Great movie, but I'm like parent, you know, peopleeople like, Ohh yeah, I'm like, no, no, People died fifty six years ago because it's an actual sword, or out of the foil discipline, but So why I'd say it's it's like physical chest what I tell people where it's just txting mentally as it as physically It's such a unique sport because it is goodp strength as well as end your legs because you're going gonna squat the entire time And I think, you know, as you saw, it's so explosive. And it can be over in five minutes or forty minutes. So you have to have a great VO two as well You get your heart rate from you know, hundred sixty one hundred seventy back to the low seventies, eighties. So yeah, it's a crazy sport. When you're training for a big tournament, what does your regime look like for how long? So would say. pre season, we're doing a lot of cardio and it's like Similar to boxing, right? So we'll do ten rounds on this sock bike because twenty seconds on, forty seconds off, ten times and we'll do the ski hug printing We don't necessarily need too much distance work, but it's more like High intensity G the hart ride down, get that ride ride back up again. And then I like to train four to five times a week So Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Saturday is big fencing, which is sparring, kind of get the fencing stamina And then Tuesday Thursday If you want to do Friday as well, it's more of lesson, is one on one with your coach, which is How do I want to get better in this tactical movement? And I say that's kind of building block for most fences whether you're twelve, whether you're my age. it's pretty intense at a young age. And then how much are you fike how much are you training? different moves and Yeah if that's even the right word. That's good. Well I'm very creative. so I like make up my own moves by myself. I like to spend an hour of my own in the gym when no one's there. Well That's why I find so hard about fencing is that when I saw it at the World Fencing League To me I was like, how do they predict anything? Becauseuse you could do anything. L obviously the target mark is only the upper part of the body, right? can't get some's face, you can't get someone's leg, you can't someone's fe Even with that, I was like the way the fences were moving their foil How was like, how would you know what they're about to do? Because it's so unpredictable. It's not like It's not obvious. It's not like, o, there's this move and this move and this move. Some opponents have like specific mannerisms where like, Say Italians are really putting pressure on you. You know, Russians are more tactical Fs kind have both Oh, it's by country Kind of yeah, I would say, yeah. There's a style in each country. And then the Asians have incredible footwork. inssane So You can kind of know that within Fince and Korean, you have to move your legs like crazy. I challenge you have to think a lot and react. French they kind of have everything in one And then Americans are kind of unpredictable as well. We have our own styles, but I would say for the most part Actually, it is actually by by country. And I'm like, yeah is yeah, it is. When you said people died in the sport How long ago? I would say sixty sixty five, sevenenty years ago. Be they didn't have the Yeah. so back in the day, it was dry. So Smirinov and Bear were fencing and unfortunately the foil broke off and went through his eye I kills him immediately. And so nowadays if it breaks, there's a light that comes on right away Back of the day it was dry. So you just have to hope it doesn't break So it was real, real like some warrior stuff back in the day. And then now it's obviously progressed and now we've added new tech, which we did in the whole league, but It is a It is we're literally sword fighting. I think people don't understand how hard it is until you see it. like it's really, really tough. Yeah. And I play, you know, football, I ran track, I play tennis, but I think you do realize It is an intense sport. So if I can give that you know, kind of knowledge to the T that don't know understand it more? I think that's a massive key. Yeah. I also feel like you bring your swag to fencing. You just mentioned Yeah Met Garland like I'm like you can go from like fencing outfit to met garland streetwear. I'm like I'm sure you don't see that a lot in fencing either. Yeah. I think you got your own Nike. Yeah. likeag that's the second one, you know? Yeah Honestly, those are dreams, I think like I always knew that I wanted to do something different. and like never be in a box, but like Be yourself and the best thing anyw ever saves myilvess you've never changed That's the best compliment I can't even tell some of my teammates what I'm doing because it just sounds so ridiculous. I don't ever come off as like as cocky or You know, I'm pretty humble if you meet me So I think From like going from Cruction to Istanbul to Miami F one to the Met to go right into training People think don't I don't miss training So I go from the airplane to training. So I think like it is a lot of pressure, but it also is a blessing. but What if I'm tired? I'm like look at your life, like you're doing some pretty cool things. They're all a blessing, but it is it is a lot But I try my best to take some time to Meditate, I'm trying to do that. I'm learning because I'm ADs. Next time instead of poker, we'll do that with everyone. Yeah, we should. No. I that.. O before. Oh before yeah. Be I think people don't want to spend time with themselves T me, I love hell myself. It sounds crazy, but I love just Being at home I'm reading I'm finishing the untoed Tw right now I'm reading which was crazy to me on great book great book Obviously I love TV, I love shows and sports, but I'm trying my best now to like Take a deep breath and try and shop my phone off at ten thirty at home and just You know, I take some time with myself, but how are you doing Are you good And then I'm like ye, I'm good. I'm generally a happy person, like actually happy. So like I'm good on that But it wass also dislike All right, like take a deep breath and just relax for once. And I think that's my hardest part is the balance And I think that's the ongoing battle Yeah, I feel like we all think our worth comes from being busy and productive and always being on And it's a good distraction away from your actual thoughts. Exactly. And what's actually going on inside And then when you slow down, the thought rises and you go, o gosh, I don't know if I can sit with this. Yeah. And that's what I always say that to people, That's probably the hardest sport in the world is sitting with your thoughts Like fighting with your thoughts is the hardest sport in the world. Honestly, one hundred percent becausecauseuse especially like as athlees right? It's Join the hotel room four and you can't help yourself but to think about Samora So I read this book about Samuraise and it said you can't Don't worry about what you don't know. And that's why now I never talk about fencing. I never watch fencing until the morning off I don't even know who I fence until the morning So you don't analyze the opponent until sometimes I don't know how'm to fend on on the strip, which is kind of crazy. Why? Because one time I knew and I couldn't sleep And then I'm envisioning in my head. and I wake up when I'm tired I end of a day I don't know I'm gonna do fencing. How the hell could you pen for me? Yeah rightight? So I realized that. So now I don't ever ever Tk talk about fencing, think about fencing I want to know I didn't go to the venue that before Whatever city I'm in, I kind of walk around. It's definitely unique for an athlete. Oh, it's crazy. Yeah., why are you doing that? that helps me. Yeah. And then that's like how I deal with pressure. because in the day pressure is a privilege. But it also comes with a lot of pressure, but also understanding now that like If you can have this Understanding that like you're supposed to win competition. That's a gift. So if you can lean into that, like most people don't onn't supposed to win So they' put no real pressure. Yeah. So I think now under understand that's actually a gift has helped me be like All right, like just, you know, lean into this. So I think just learning more about myself has given me more I understanding of the supportort of fencing. Yeah Talk to me about the road to your favorite tournaments whether it's the Olympics Winning bronze Wld Champion like talkal to me. Let's talk about the Olympics first because I mean, and you brought us the Olympic medal, which is incredible, which is going to that' I mean, I've never seen one in real life. Like you said, everyone's wearing the fake ones when they're out whatever in the pictures. Yeah Talk to me about what it felt like gettingetting to the Olympics, winning bronze. I would say getting there ero zero zero one percent of the population gets to go to the Olympics. I think it's like pointer zero zero one get a medal So I'm not sure Phelps's got two thousand of them I think when you get there, at least my first one I changed everything I was serious. I didn't see my friends, which ended up being their own decision And then the next year I was like, you know, I'm going to enjoy this. I'm gonna get dinner with my friend the night before and I won That was me realizing that not everybody is the same athlete. And yes, there's rules and techniques and routines, but like I'm not like the next person, so why should I prepare like them So then once I started to understand that I'm different And then they kind of led me up to Rio And I actually lived in Korea for a little bit And I trained with young Ho Kim and I won the first Grand Prix the season. But like, why is he going to Korea? I'm like Why not? And I won the first Grand Prix this season And I was like That's why Be I wanted to learn something new. I think as athletes, change is okay But sometimes it's hard to take that leap, right? And then I made the Olympics And I had the best team fencing of my life. And I was able to enjoy the moment, the process Be real, you know, meet the other athletes. And I think that was when I realized We need to enjoy the journey because when you're done ides the mal Memories to me be more important And if you lose those memories and you've lost I think the coolest part of the journey So I think leaning into like the understanding and Having fun was ultimately why I was able to, you know, go to three Olympics and H success And you know, now I'm like, this kid's like, I'm so stressed. I'm like, what are you stressed about? 'Ccause you want to win? that means you care Next thing. So I've been able to go through each of these ebs and flows. And how hess to most of them which I think is the key to to success, right? Everybody can be really, really good. If you could unlock the mind That's when you become a legend And that's what I'm learning from people who all legends of you know, taking those risks and being crazy Be you know, it takes one person to change the world, right? takes one person to change the sport. And I think if I can be that person, then I've creat a whole new roadmap for the next kids to Oh wow, this iss a different approach for me which has been a blessing. I love that. I love the idea if you get a career learning a new school of thoughtor. I love the idea of being this multifaceted individual because You're so right that whether it's sports or whether it's business, whatever it is, everyone thinks that there's only one way to do it, right And then you speak to all these founders and you're like, No, they all did something different They discovered their idea differently, they built teams differently And they took their human experience and put it into what they were doing. and that's what made it as good as it was. I've really been on this hype of wanting anyone, whatever industry you're in, whether it's sports, media, business, whatever it iss finance, tech to find what it is that makes you different and lean into that and not lean into thinking, how do I look like that other guy who's doing it as well? Because I think that time is gone. I think that time existed. Back in the day, you had to wear the suit like that guy wore, and you had to wear the shoes that he wore, and you had to play golf like him or whatever it was. And I was like, that's changed now. It just doesn't work that way. Exactly. He said it perfectly because There's always this stigm about like I have to kind of have tattoo because I'm not going to get a job I told my mom, I'll be the first ever Not that matters was I was the first out a millionaire fenceer It's like Sam Msey unicor. because it's never existed. But I knew if I was just myself, It would figurered itself out, right? Then I have tattoos and then now kids are getting tatoos because it's such a still elit us upetity sport and you can't do these things. I'm like, no, why not You know, I wont be in the meeting with CEOs. I'm actually sitting with the guy that made your phone And on myself, right? So like you said, I think it's that time is gone. Why think people are still so scared to take a risk And I think that's the difference. There so many people that are the same nowadays which is I think the issue. And I think if you can just honestly Be yourself You'll figure out what life is for you And I think I never wanted to be like anybody else in sports or life in general And there were those times when I was like, was this just the right decision. but I knew Keep your head down, keep being you, and things will happen for you. they did I would think that fencing was like my kind of anchor I always a fencer, but that's actually my gift Is a lot of people, Oh, yeah, I play basketball, you know, just like I'd believe it Because if people were try and make fun of me, they'll try and fight me, Well bu believe me in school. Yeah, 'use I was a fener Wow Be to them it was not a cool sport And then now My Instagram is fencer, and I'm like, that's what I'm doing. That's my purpose R And Michael Straan one of my great friends and mental always told me Never mess up your maine and keep that your main I was like fening my, everything else will come, but just don't lose sight of what you were here ' planet to do. Did it affect you between when your father left when you were eight and then before you had your Now Dad that you mentioned L. Did that affect you in any way, Late? I think it did for sure. And I think There are times of like Now that I'm older and I can understand it, like why are you getting into trouble? Why are you doing these things? Well I think it's probably does stem from trauma or stem from something because Why else would I be acting up? My mom's amazing mom. She's giv me all the right lessons ike whyy things happening? Obviously one of my best friendates, Lewis was that Bob you need to to understand that, right? Like why is this happening And now, you know, went on a spiritual I went on a spiritual journey and understood Oh wow And I didn't talked to him for ten for over ten years. Oh wow. biological father. Yeah And then, you know, I had this awakening. picked the phone and called him I said, Hey Dad this is Miles How are you I don't know about the past, as everything going, because I also realized that Kids don't realize that their parents are growing up as well And that was like, oh wow Not saying right or wrong, but Once I did that, it was like a And then I think I started to just understand way more about myself. So I think definitely I had trauma without even knowing it was trauma at the time And then now it's like I've got such a clear understanding of That probably made me who I am So almms wouldn't went any other way And then my step dad who is my dad. is the most amazing person. He he tau me how to be a man And I think that's the coolest part is haaving this kind of roller coaster journey created You know, this person in front of you, but I think not having that growing up. somehow help me not take no for an answer and really knock some doors down. So I think it definitely was a time when I had to bl, Okaykay, why are you get in trouble? Why are you Get arrested. know whyy are you doing these things? Did you get arrested Yeah. One time I was a stupid competition and I was like throwing these like shampoo bottles down just And then it was just stupid and I got handcuffed and then my mom walked in, this is the worst story. And then my momum walked in as it happened, and I was like, Oh, my gos You're more scared of your mum than the car. one hundred percent. Oh my god. At that age for sure. And then it's just like these moments of like, why are you getting in trouble? Why are you getting in a fight? You know, but I think it all stemmed from trauma that I was like Sm small things like I never had that What's it the birds and the bees talk or whatever that is' parent' small little things that I think are important, especially at that age So I think that was definitely a reason for all of my negative antics was definitely probably because It was just my momum And she was trying her best. No, she was crushing it, but she never complained I never saw her cry, I never saw her anything. And now she's hopefully living a life, but she is The strongest men and woman I know by far. What did your biological dad say when you called him after those ten years? I remember yterday it was like a yes miles. He was like Hi, son. And I was like, listen I don't care about the past. Do you need anything? How are you? for about I want to say it was like forty five seconds I think I remember seeing on the phone. And then it was just like, o whoa but it was like a really Nice Closing a chapter and then opening a chapter I remember I posted about it because I was very scared and especially like black men It's very common. You have a d know, you know, I talked about it. I got so many lovely messages like, I'm gonna call my dad. I was like Oh w, I didn't realize it was such a big thing to talk about I've gone to lot my life, but They're all blessings in a way, but I think it's so important to address issues no matter how hard they are for you at the time Um, Yeahah and now, you know, he's never seen me fence before which is crazy And now I'm like Maybe that's Maybe that's the time No know, who knows I'm open to it for the first time, was back in the nails like I'll never talk to you again But now it's like What bring you up to it I think just understanding that Everybody has their own issues whether they're good or bad. I have to understand that as well Yeah know, there's something that's gone on in his life that he hasn't told me or certain things, right? And I think just understanding that their parents are still growing up in front of your eyes. that thent all the answers. Was I a, oh, okay, mouse Now I know the dad I will be when I have kids You know, So I think that was really, really eye opening for me to understand that. You're gonna cry, cry, mate, you know, that's all right I remember I didn't cry for like sixteen years s I don You know, just stone call this and that and I was like, That's al right. And there's nothing wrong with that I think it's such a stigma And then now I was like, no, like we real have emotions. those are okay. I think that was just a massive learning process for me which helped me in my 'causeuse now I was like, I could't do anything Like look harder. That was way harder. Yeah. Pulling in was way harder than any trin I've ever done in my life I could have done my Everest. I probably would have picked Everest over a phone call I'm not kidding. I think people underestimate how much A lot of our physical and mental blocks are actually emotional if we were able to get past and do the emotional thing then we'd be able to do physical and mental things that we don't even think is possible. But we're all blocking ourselves and limiting ourselves because there's some sort of emotional unlock that we haven't allowed, whether it's forgiveness, resilience, courage, feia whatever it may be And that's really powerful to him, man. Thank you for sharing that. It feels good to talk about, you know,'s like. I almost forgot to run a podcast. it was just, you know, we just having a chat. ch ye. And I think that's the cool thing is's like, Emotions are your best friend, right? If you feel a certain way need didn to lean into it. Just don't let that dictate your entire day So I think that's something that I learned as well. I'm feeling this way Let it out and then move on. And then it all ties into just understanding who you are Be I finally know now who Miles is Because I have to take those, you know, Hoaton mirror figure out, to take the losses with all the wins and now understand that okay Now I've got a clear path what I want to do. Hey, it's Kelly Rolan. You may not know this, but I have eczema. so I get how it can steal your time. But why let eczema take over when you can talk to your doctor about EBLlS? ElS Lab LBKZ, a two hundred fifty milligram per two milliliter injection, is a prescription medicine used to treat adults and children twelve years of age and older, who weigh at least eighty eight pounds or forty kilograms with moderate to severe eczema. 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Because you're like, I'm not talking to a philosopher over here No, but I mean I'm saying in a positive sense, you've got It almost feels like you've got these codes that you follow and you programmed your mind to think in a certain way Where did you pick them up from along the way My mom said the same thing recently. and I don't really know where they've come from, but I just feel like If you're going to have to do something right? Why not try and do it with a smile on your face, right? I' gott to go to training if I'm angry or not do it anyway. And I think One of the biggest moments, which I'll talk about right now, which I don't like to talk about, no one really knows, but The first Olympic qualifier. I was on the way to I in Vegas to support Lewis for the race My sister suffered a stroke thirty seven years old That was probably the hardest moment I've ever had to kind of understand air with the Olympics All right, I flew to Miami open the door and I see my sister with a feeding tube and a breathing tube Unfortunately, you know, it's It's the times when You have to just lean into it That was the first time I became a man And it's the first time I ever saw my mom cry. my mom. I just was like, okay This is happening How do we find some type of silver lining in this moment And you know, sat in the hospital Writing things down, journaling All those past situations prepare me for this I was able to be a umbrella for the family. And I think that was The moment was, okay, wow I got this. You know, he's got two beautiful kids, you know, obviously this is, you know domestic violence, which which is one thing, which is or And I think this is my sister who as a brother, she understands What I want to do is, you know, is take care of my sister And yeah, there's certain things that, you know, she won't tell you well these things because She knows our brother would want to do And I was like, okay, Miles, we're going to figure this out and I was able to make the Olympic team, which Probably the first time anybody's going know whileile dealing with this. I would fly from Japan to Miami, spent some time in the hospital How about with the kids changing nappies for the first time beingough of my family and my mom and dad This is the most incredible job I've ever seen of just becoming parents again And I think that's where Whver you believe in? is testing you because he knows you can handle it And I realize that I could handle anything And it was kind of compartmentalizing This is You know, going from the hospital ICU to a competition and somehow doing well is the biggest accomplishment I could I don't even know how I did it to be honest with you. I've got no idea. So get making the Olympics was life That was nothing So I think That's when you feel helpless, right and you feel like I can't do anything because I literally can't do anything just give positive love and energy. and Ive figured out a way to Iuck can make my family ilities or smile and you know, that's gonna to help through this process To me was the first time I became a man one hundred percent So now talking about it and, you know showing people what I had to go through. I think you realize Why I go so hard? Because There's nothing that will stop me or can stop me. becausecause I've seen my you know, my sister on those ICUs, which is the scariest place to be And as her brother, you know, making her smile and doing these things is Wh you're putting this on this planet Earth I think you got people around you. talk about it, you know, little to fly in and see my sister You know, that's the most emotional thing I've ever been through just Tim and support Knowing how busy he is and, you know, Sin's just being there for me is like Beautiful. So I think if I can That and ' like my Dragon Ball Z and, you know, build that up and give it to the world we can do anything Thank you for sharing my h you now G getting much better. Yeah, I think if she's, you know She's actually in London. Oh no with't m you can fly again and o You know, she obviously recovery, you know, stroke is very extreme, so she still has to learn speech stuff back again. Yeah. But she can function on her own and she's stronger than me. so. And as, you know, I'm still a little brother, but I became a big big brother at that time. I've seen people I know go through strokes and it's I mean, yeah, it's one of the most scary things to watch someone you love go through. A thirty seven.ty yeah,'s healthy. Run marathons. I can't run a marathon. Yeah got You know, choose your partner right and stress is a real thing Yeah puts everything into perspective of those moments. It's funny because At that time, the Olympics is everything for me. When you get there ive was mad because it's like That's actually the smallest thing you could accomplish in my life because it's Oviously Dite things that I w want to do one in life Funny how like at the time, it' I to m make it my life is over You know, when they make, you're like, I'm so grateful, but there's so much more to life than just that Maz, what are you most proud of in your life because you talked about the hardest times, most difficult times. What are you most proud of so far never losing miles along this journey. I'm still a twelve year old kid, just six five coin tattoos And changing My sport forever. Probably the two things I'm most proud of Winnings great Changing a sport is bigger than any Olympical mat I could ever win I got a messag recently. That this kids used to get bullied in school A black kid as well from North Carolina. Mom send me a message He showed them pictures of me at school and that changed crazy to me. Right So like that to me is so cool. If I can just be a beacon light to these kids I've done my job I think that's one I' most proud of I see I get emotional about it. Yeah, I never thought, man, I never in my life thought I would ever have an impact on these kids Never Because in Fency I never anyone that I want to look up to will be like. So if I can see these kids, you know, at the league they come to me and they're like, I love you. I'm like you know, it's I love you too, but it's so beautiful to have love from them and the parents like, Ohh, you're so nice and kind and normal.'m like Yeah, my s rais me to be this way. I think At end of the day, we're all human beings And as long as you've got a good h and a good core I think that that's the most important thing. Definitely, definitely. And you're surrounded by that too. I mean, like, You know, you mention Louis thereough as well. likeike he's so humble. he's so down to ear like you would never know. you would never know, like You know,'s the most unassuming guy and I know. Who are the other athletes that you admire, that you talk to, that you pick their brain, that you try and understand their process as well and how they live life. Well, one was definitely Kobe you know, like asking him questions. I do really watch like lions eating preay before You know, he's like ye And I'm like, Oh my God. And just like That mentality is so Rarere You guys why he's, you know, the mama mentality. That's one of them for sure. Michael Strahan as well has been an amazing person of transitional from athletes and Post athlete But yeah, there's not that two men I spent too much time with We're able to like sit down and really kind of You're busy Everyone's got crazy schedle. Yeah. Athletes have the craziest schedules. You know, it I understanding the time is yes there's might be the wrong time or whatever, I would say definitely O Lewis Michael Kobbe Those are the kind of the people that I' able to, you know, you as well. I'm not an athlete. I mean like you said, you know, understanding your thoughts is the hardest sport Yeah. But yeah,'s not many of really had the opportunity to spend time with. beyond just h, Iop what you do and Bessilk Mas, what have I not asked you that you wish I did What have you not shared? you not talked? ask great great questions. I was just curious, man. I was like, you know, we just had fun last summer and that's all thanks to Louis too. Big shout to Louis Yeah connecting us, man I'm like We just had a good time and I was like, I want to get to know this guy, you know, because you're obviously operating at a high level But I didn't realize and this is what I love about doing this. this is why I love This podcast so much is because I thought The most interesting thing was what you Did And now I'm sitting with you. I'm like, No, what you've been through and what you've lived through and what you've learned is so much more interesting. And I think that's the reason why the podcast is called on purpose because it's Pe's purpose and their mission and Their values and their belief are so much more fascinating than what we do for work What we do for work is great is cool. But beyond that, there's a whole human that You know, That lives and exists. Exactly, exact. And the human is like We'll keep us going, It's the heart rate, it's everything. But At the end of the day We have these gifts in life and it's like, how are you going to use these in the best way possible, right? So From a little bit from London to haaving two Nike shoes, never my life to creating a a fencing league Is this all you need in life is self belief I have a tattooed right here. That's all you need in life. If you have those you know, pinnacles and those beliefs, you can do anything. And I think, you know, meeting you is someone who have been a fan of before getting to know you Oh, he's even more incredible in person because you you're the same on camera and off camera. very few people are like that, especially in the field you're in. I think that's the key is when people see me, they're like, Oh, you're nice and funny. I'm like, Yeahah. what do you think I won? so Yeah Yeah, you guys were a bad influence on me. I played poker for the first time in twenty years because of these guys. I hadn't played for twenty years and the fact that I won that now I was pretty impressed. You smoked us. What do you mean You destroyed us. Watching Louis go down was the best vit there, Yeah, And he wass like, I'm buying again. I was like okay well me some money, Braph. I' play for twenty years, but I was like, you know, I want to bond with the guys. Yeah. want to stay out, you know, want to hang out and so guys are a bad influencecing for sure. No, but you're one of us now, you know, O a Wolf pack. Thats what I'm so grateful for is like collections beyond just you know, these kind of surface levels like I know that if I was to ever like talk to about someone, you give me an honest answ. I think that's the key. I never want any friends or people around me that it's like, or you doing good. It's like Let me be real with you. I think that's the key is whoever is around you is a fraction of yourself So like, you know, all the boys, bs, they're all just amazing humans push me to be a better person I think that's the key to why we're so pecicialally on our crewise because we C be to the canable. We support each other and we generally want each other to win which I think is a very rare thing for We also see men in general I was about to say that's what's so impressive about it is that it's a group of men who are killing it on their sports, they're doing incredible things but at the same time have this brotherhood that you guys have all built with each other Jot It feeles like a massive massive thing to be proud of, especially when right now men there's so much loneliness for men across the world Yeah, especially in the states, the loneliness statistics are so high The men don' how to connect with each other. they can't pick up the phone to each other What would you say to a man who' lonely doesn't know how to pick up The phone to his friend and tell him how he feels. What would you say ote was we're just passing through and a tattoo to hear words Whatever moment you're feeling. No the doong forever Right. And I think That's something too understand is like this is not going to be forever. but're also People want to know what is really going on with you. And I think it's not you're not a burden It's actually a gift to be able to like have your friends You know, be honest and true to themselves about you. L that's actually I love to hear that actually lightens my day, whether it's a sad thing, it like, oh no, he really Because about me because he's coming to me as one of the last you know, kind of resorts. So I would just say, You're Lean into however you're feeling, but please call your friends Like you're never alone. I'm grateful that I've Never been in that situation, but if I ever was I know I could c any of my boys up ' get me through it. If you lose a race, and lose competition. I'm a cate, bro. So I feel And then you feel better. Just know that. This emotion is not forever And it's actually beautiful to talk to your friends about it because it actually makes me feel good knowing that you're coming to me So it's almost like it's therapy for the both of us. I think Yeah, just just talk and and being lonely like is I want anyone to feel lonely. If I see a little kid A the club where a competition, odds go up to them. Hey, how are you right Let take two seconds And that might be like, oh, he's a h to me. That might change everything. Also, I think knowing your your purpose and your celebrity. in our minds of the fencing world Those moments change lives And I think seeing that is really, really cool And I'll be driving sometimes, I'll just scream, I love you Why not? You know', just those small gestures It just nice. Yeah. And I think you know, I'm just generally a happy person, but if I can A really really, Iree with this is Snd's message to me in it was a quote was like I make people feel better when they've left me