Favorite Madonna Albums and Future

Hey want Song Nation, this week to celebrate Madonna's return to the dance flloor with her brand new album, Confessions two where we're visiting one of our favorite episodes where we break down her nineteen eighty five song Into the Groove with actor and Madonna fanatic Geream O Diaz. On this episode, you'll hear us talk about Aies's Madonna, the movie Desperately Seeking Susan, and of course, we're gonna listen to the song's isolated beats, synths, and stems, and bask in the beauty of the Queen's isolated vocals. So in case you missed it the first time Or if you want to listen to those eighties sounds again Stay tuned as One song breaks down Madonna's into the groove. Welcome to Osong, the podcast that I host my name is Luxury with my co host, Tiallo Riddle. and today we have a guest nameam Gillermo Diaz. He's great. Starting the show now writerirector and sometimes DJ Diiala Riddle. I' producer DJ and songwriter Luxury, also known as the guy who talks about anarllation on the internet. all over the internet. Ewhere. And this time on one song, we're getting into the group. Allright, today, we have a very special guest who you might know from his roles on TV shows like Weeds, Chappelle's showhow, Broad City, and Girls. And you most certainly will recognize him as Huck from Sandal But today we are talking to him about a different role. It's a part he plays in his daily life as a Madonna suuper fan. Welcome to the show Guillerm Modia. Hello Thank you, thank you, thank you. Thank you for coming down He' the show Yeah And we, you know, I have to say right off the bat that one of the reasons I was so excited is because I feel like, you know, outside of the TV shows, like you're just a funny dude and we' had been, you know, we were like, Oh my God, he wants to come on one song. No way. Yeah. No way. So This is very exciting for us. Thank you for being here. Thank. You know, it's funny you say I'm funny dude ' I I've done all these movies with comedians and I'm always' I don't do stand upp. I'm not, you know, I'm much more comfortable doing drama and like serious stuff. But I just kind of got thrown into these, you know, comedic movies that I remember being on sets all these guys Dave Chappelle and you know, Tracy Morgan and everybody just king jokes left and right and I was just like Hey guys, it was just like an audience, but Anyway, But I do think that there is something I mean, first off, there's a lot to be said about the person who's taking it seriously, the straight man. Right Cically Ironically speaking, comically underrated in comedy, but I think that you know, what you bring is so 's a certain amount of Just that straight ny real It's like when you I have three kids. It's like the kid who's not trying to be funny is always funny. Oh, yeah I'm briiant. Yeah, there's no doubt about that. I love it. Yeah. I'm really good. I'm kid. You have three kids? Oh my God. I got k man. I got three kids. I have three goldfish and a little dog. and sometimes I'm like, I gotta f feed them again. deing's going on? I can't imagine having three little humans running around You learn that life is resilient. E. L is very You know, these kids they tend to survive and we're so happy to have them here. Do you have any siblings? have two older brothers, brothers. ye. So I have three boys. Oh yeah. you're boys.. But my older brother was like into like Judas Priest and Ozzy Osborne and all that stuff. I grew up like loving heavy metal because he loved it then somehow I I went to the blonde ammbition tour when I was like seventeen. and that's when I was like, o my God, I love this woman. But you had been like the that morning you had put on like Metal up yours or something like Exactly. Yes. Italica.. So like you're listening to metal exclusively, like not even the radio or you Yeah, I was listening to the radio at home, you know, my brother would bring home. And he was cool. He was like your older brother. so like the music was cool And then I really did you know I really did appreciate it. I loveved Dzzy Osborne and Iron Maiden and all that stuff. But of course I listen to the radio. I love Lisa Lisa and you know Oh yeah. We're going to talk about Lisa Lisa the Cole J style. Some of the things that brought me personally to this song and thank you again for choosing it because to our listeners, we sent him a couple of Madonna songs to choose from And this is one he sent back. And I'll say, you know, as as a fan of like what later became known as freestyle, like this was really Yeah this song like just sounds like A sound that to me never gets old the way that other genres get old. Yeah You know But we're going to get into all that. It sounds like you first fell in love with Madonna at a concert. Yes, yes, yes. It was a blonde ambition tour And I had never see I had never seen her live. I mean, she'd only done like want two tours before that. What alm is this for? this is for like a prayer. Okay. Yeah. And and so I saw and that, you know, that was her first tour It was she was like the first artist that that sort of had a You know, Mate every song was like a theatrical piece on stage and And then, you know, here comes like a virgin and she You know, rises up out of the floor on a bed and masturbates at the end. and it was like nothing I had ever seen before on stage. and you were with your family watching this? I was with like two friends. Yeah. It wasn't like cringey No, yeah. My parents would' have been cool though. My parents took us to see like the exorcist in the movie theater and lipstick. Do you remember that movie lipstick about a woman that gets my parents didn't give up it. Well, you're growing up in New York City, proper.ike you got cool New York parents. Yes. And they also didn't speak E. don' speak English. we were like, Oh cool. Itcessarily We were just traumatized. They didn't know it raided ourm. Yes. Really good. No. A for really solid. What neighborhood Washington Heights Washington Heights. Yeah, yeah Manhattan. Yep. in the hot there U, gosh, I want to get into all this so much. But can I ask you real quick, what stood out aboutb Madonna to you first time you said. I think I think the fact that she didn't give a about anything and she was Like just willing to take these risks that were you know just so over the top and so provocative and sexual. Like she wasn't afraid of being sexual and then she was like And Im and I freaking read, you know, you know, one hundred books a year. Like she's super intelligent. She's just not, you know. U So there was like thought behind everything she did And of course, you know, for growing up as a gay man I don't know. she just became like that middle finger that was like You're, you know Just your typical heteral normative, whatever bull Yeah. And she just became like a, you know, like a hero, like an icon who was out there speaking out for us and You know, she was the first one that spoke spoke out, you know, about gay rights and AIDS and you know prracticing safe sex and all that stuff. I mean, like I will say Definitely she came with a political component that I didn't see from many of the other. like I don't know if this is the current pantheon, but like when I I thought about the eighties, then and like in the nineties and two thousands, I always thought there were three. There was Michael Jackson, there was Prince, and there was Mad. And they're all born in nineteen fifty eight. No way really? Yeah. I've always think of them as connected. It was in the water Probably radiation. Pably probably ye. some atomic fall offffs, but C we please bubble wrap? Badonna. We cannot lose the thirty de That was crazy. Yeah.ion. made it longer than than those guys. Yeah. But you're right. I think about Michael, I think about Prince Lather Music, but like Badonna Like from the time that she was doing, you know, videos where she was kissing Jesus to, you know even even even before I really even knew what LGBT was back then. like I was like, oh, her friends seemed to run the whole rainbow.' even think it turns the rain but like it was very obvious. L she was friends with her dancers. They were in the videos and it was it was a different viumbe. Yeah right out of three of them, Prince was obviously very sexual. and he has, amm I black or white? Am I straight or gay every now and then there's lyrics that are like But she that's early on. that's pretty I to say definitely Madonna kind of held her own in terms of like being very explicitly like this is important. gay people matter A million versions of like using her platform for like spreading the word of diversity and like anti heteronormativeness. And the truth or dare is the first time we saw two men make out on the big screen. That was like that was real That was huge. crazy to think being a teenager knowing I was gay and I'm not out of the closet seeing that It It was like, okay, I'm I'm okay. likeike I'm I was I was gonna ask at seventeen, you were probably you were not. Oh yeah. No. I didn't come out til I was like twenty seven. You know, It was the eight it was the fucking eighties. Washington Heights. I wasn't like I' you guys. But I was planted deceed for you of like representation. Exactly. Yeah, it was all about, you know, hiding who you were and you couldn't be yourself But anyway, so seeing those two, you know Gabriel and Slam make out big screen in a Madonna document not mockumentary Rcumentary was like exxhilarating, you know, who gave slam for There are two of the dancers. They're the two dancers that made out in the film and they were dating U during the time of the tour. And they were both HIV positive, which no one knew. Gabriel, Slam and Carlton. they're super open about it now But they were all they had just found out they were HIV positive. so we know, but I want to let the audience know that you have a tattoo of Madonna Um, that is Super cool, but but I have to ask, what is the most extreme thing you've done For your love. Madonna. Yeah. I not only have one tattoo. I have like nine Madonna tattoos. I have nine. I've gotten more. When did you get the first one When did I get? Yeah? How old it was like Eight years ago years ago, maybe wasn't that long ago? It was' right after the online ammbition tour. It wasn't right after the vlind ammbition tour, No, but then I have another portrait of her on my chest. He's actually taking off his clothes. You can't see. No, people on YouTube, can't see. We're watching all of Oh I guess I should take it off. People on YouTube are watch. Make a choice. all. a creative choice.er I used to work at a phhoto stock agency in New York City and I used to file pictures of celebrities. session photographers and paparazzi would would come in and bring their slides and it was all on slides and anyyway, so would I would file all the pictures, you know, in the appropriate files and and they all knew I loved Madonna. and one of the onene of the photographers, Steve Eichner, I still remember his name was like, Hey, I'm shooting the Girly show tomorrow Do you want to come with me and'll I'll say you're my assistant and you'll be in the pit So the photographers get to go in the pit, which is right there in front of the stage three songs and then they leave. you know, they' phographing her. Um, and I was like, uh yeah And he brought me and there I was like cut to me in the pit and he gave me a camera because he was like, just act like you're takingictures because I wasn't upset. know. I can't tell. They really are. But as I'm taking pictures, I kept putting the camera down and going M.ll love. And people were like the photographers are like, this guy's not professional photographer really loves Madonna. And I got some photos back and I have this one amazing photo that Somehow, you know, I took one really good one and it's up in my wall. You beat all the professional photographers. Right? Yeah, yeah. So that there was love. There was love in your clicks, you know, there was a certain sort of like There was love in my clins. Yeah. And you've seen almost every tour of hers, right? I have. The only two I haven't seen are the Virgin tour and the who's that Girl tour Really? the current tour. She's on the current tour, the name of which is celebration tour. Celebration tour Has it come to LA yet? Not yet It'll be here in March. In March? I'm going in March. I think we all should go. Right? It much fun to go. A actually here Can we get to the ph ph pass Yeah Now we asked you what song you wanted to talk about on today's show. and you chose into the groove, good choice. I'm just curious of everything in the Madonna catalog What do you love about this song? What does it mean to you Um Honestly, I've been obsessed with desperately seeking Susan lately because it's on Tuby Yeahubbe in a Tubbe conversation. If you wantan to talk about extreme fandom We're talking Tubbe. Come on Tub. C on Tubbe. So I've been watching that movie like almost every week. It's one of those movies too. I love it. It's a really good movie, but then it just it's a really feel good. I don't know why it makes me feel good. maybe's New York City and' New York in the eighties. Yeah familiar Hna Go ahead, I' sorry,. I was just gonna to say that Stehven Wright is in it who plays the guy on the couch in. He's a dentist? Yeah, ye, yeah U this little movie called Half Big that Uh, Yeah and then, you know, this song is just so it's so New York. It's so disco it's so It's just so vibey, it's so good. and another This song also has this funny story for me because you guys you guys aren' from New York, right? We both live there though. You both live there. Do you remember the Robin Byird show? Yes, of course. O acccess, the sort of porn interview It was like a porn like she's She's in her fifties or sixties or eighties, knows and she'se have takaking it off. Yeah. A like one o'clock in the morning, you could see the show on public access And you know, as a young horny teenager, I would watch it and she would have female dancers come out and strip and then she'd have male guys come out and strip. And I remember there and I used to record when the male guys would come out and strip. But this one guy, the first guy I recorded danced to into the groove. So whenever I pered in your brain the song explained peaered in my head. I mean, other things too That very specifically, I think of this guy coming out and you know Can you say shaking? You can see the podcast please say all the words. Say every word. We're hoping that they sue us. It's more publicity. I hope so. All right. hell yeah That's so interesting because it plays into what we werere saying about Madonna and the sexuality things. This is really critical. She was representation not just for all the not just for gay and lesbian. L this is representation for sexuality as being okay. because we've had a little bit of that maybe with Prince like we mentioned a little David Bowie, but for I feel like Madonna coming out there. firstirst of all, remember she was in playlayboy scandal, But then she goes on stage at Live Aid and says, I ain't takaking shit off today Yeah. And she totally makes it erases it instead of being a shameful thing.'s like Thank'all Yeah. I got mobies Ill show again if you like Yeah. And I really love did come out also and say, I'm not ashamed ye. I'm not ashamed. I'm not asham of sexuality Yeah. And she's doing that all while being named Madonna. Yeah, coming from a very Catholic upper. Yeah Yeah. This whole juxtaposition where she's constantly like playing with the version more dynamic literally, like on screen in these videos That's so important for us as kids growing up to see and be like, sex isn't just bad. It can be good. But also I think that like let's be honest, she's also white. And so her fan base Like she had Middle America on lock with like the the fingerless gloves and like the like eighty stuff. You know, like she had them. like she was, you know, they were there And then all of a sudden she was Bengals. Remember the bengals? the bracelets and necklaces? Oh yeah. They lucky. They had forgiven her for taking the name of Jesus' mom. Maybe they had. then she's like, o, okay, so you're listening. All right Here I come with like, you know, these controversial vide. I mean like just I rememberitch that Jesus was black in her video. Like that's right. You a prayer? Is that like a prayer video? Yeah first of all, he was a he was a saint. It wasn't It wasn't Jesus. It wasn't Jesus It like a saint thought it was. But he was black and shakakes out with him. Yeah. And he's supposed to represent the black man that's being know persecuteed because he's black and they assume he committed a crime. I think I was too young to get all that I know all thatan' kissing everything Which by the way would be ye like an an incestute. like so it's just She was always phing. I didn't even didid you ever think about? I'd never thought about it do just said Madonna kiss is Jesus. But also Mad I used to think that Madonna was a made up name that she made up for the stage. It's not. it's her mom's. It' her That was her mother's name was Madonna And they named her Madonna. And I think a lot of people thought that she just, you know, ch possibly be real name, right? Doesn't seem like a real name. Yeah, but it was take her. You know, up until you just said that, I think I've always thought it was a made up name. and I'll never forget the first time that we as kids came to school and kids were talking about Madonna. And I remember this girl was like, it's real messed up that she took you know, Lord Lord and Savior's mother's name like that. and you just forget the certain things that we just accept now. Yeah. they were big deals back. Yeah, you know. So. And then she named her daughter Lord as. Right. whichich is also another biblical, Isn't that another biblical name? I think it is or it's a place or it's, I don't know.im It feels like it's. It feels like it's in that word cloud of like stigmata and like sort of like the pieta, like sort of agony. agony of Christianity. I don't know.. And now Madonna's daughter has chosen the stage name Low the hole as your st. Okay. And what does that mean We'll find.ell' showing H by the end of the hour. she's amazing All right Before we go any further, Gerbo, I just want to say out this show we go really deep into the song that we discuss and we'll be playing you the isolated stims so that you can even hear Madonna's vocals with no baggage track. But before we get there, luxury, I know you want to help Yeah, we're gonna to set the stage a little bit of history before we get into the specific moment. That's one of the fun parts of this show is that we are because it's one song, it's also one moment. it's one era. And Madonna, as we've sort of been alluding to, jumping around historically, she wonderfully has had so many eras. L let's steal that word back from Taylor Swift. Like Madonna has this song, exactly, right Madonna is the true quQueen of pop. And this era for her, I mean, let's talk about it. To me, I think about I mean, first of all, she's at University of Ann Arbor, is that right in the seventies. And she starts moves to New York and she starts being in bands which are kind of punk bands or kind of rock punk bands. So she said she wanted to be a part of Bowie scene, didn't she? Okay, is that right? I feel like I read It was a huge inspiration. Yeahah, David That makes so much sense because what she's doing is she's an artist a dancer and a musician and the musician is arguably just kind of one of the things she is. Like pop music is a vehicle to express exactly as we've just been discussing, what do we think about? All of these things about Madononna and sexuality. Music is a means of expression for that. So she comes to New York She is in a band called, I think the first one was the brereakfast Club. That's right. And that is like an eighties explosion R of course so eighties that before the movie? Be the movie. Did it inspire the movie? Do we know? don't know I don't think so. It's just kind of a say Bakfast club. Then she's in Emmy in the Emmies. Oh that's right. I don't know much about these bands. It's hard to find the actual recordings She hasn't gotten into Synth pop yet, which is the next era. And in my mind, this song into the groove is kind of a little bit the end of the synth pop era and the beginning of the next one, But we'll get into that when we get into the music. A little more about the history So she's in these bands. She's going to dance etera. She's becoming a quQueen of the Nightlife, she's meeting everybody and actually one of the she's by the way, importantly, meeting all these DJs and underground producers, which becomes a through line for her whole career. because she's always attuned to what the next trend is and which DJ is spinning it. So she's bringing in the jellybeans. Later in life, it's the Che Betabones and the Stuart Prices and the Nelly Hoopers making pop music with who was the coolest underground D Teria she's friends with Mark. At Dance Teria, she's friends with Mark Cammens. Is that how we pronounce it? And between that connection and one with Stehen Bray who goes back to her college days actually. and apparently they move to New York together and I think they're in a band he's a bre club. That was. So Stehen Bray is an important part of the story because he is the co writer of Into the group So we're going to get into some of the work he did when we listened to the stems I just want to finish giving Stehen Bray his flowers because out of all of his collaborators, he's maybe one of the lesser known, I would say, but he's incredibly important. Obviously, huge Madonna fans know exactly who he is, but for those who don't know, as I mentioned, he came to New York with Madonna, was in the Breakfast Club, one of their first bands, Emmy and the Emmys. they were in both of those bands together. and he co wrote actually half of like a version. You know, people think of I think of that album as like it's Niil Rogers album But he like a prayer, you mean? L like a version No like a version Like a version. Like actually that. ye Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. He co wrote half of the songs and he also co wrote Express Yourself, which is arguably, it might be my favorite Madonna song. Half So so good. It's s I was listening back to it. I was like, I forgot how I don't know why that song really hits me kind of in a similar way to this one. He co wrote that one. He co wrote Angel, he co wrote True Blue. And now he continues to be a musician, but he actually just got a Grammy award for being the composer and lyricist for the version of the cololor Purple on Broadway. Stephen Bray, I met him one time. Oh, you did. I used to work for a guy named John Lynn, at Hollywood Records. And John Lynn actually wrote Live to tellell for Madonna like what song. Yes, such a good song and such an early ballish. S shout out to John. Unfortunately, I think he passed away about two or three years ago. I didn't really keep in touch with him, but him and Stehen Bray, I feel like they were all part of that You know, songwriter collective. We're going go back We're going to now land in july nineteen eighty five. It's into the groove timee, y'all. And this song actually is released two days after Live Aid where it was performed. I didn't really realize that. whichich means that it wasn't necessarily very widely known by B when she played it. It's a really fun version that they play at Live Aid. But the story behind it, which is really kind of crazy is that it was kind of an afterthought desperately seeking Susan this amazing movie, which we need to talk more about for all the reasons we alluded to a little bit It's New York, it's the mid eighties,'s It's club culture They needed a song for that scene that we were just talking about in Dance Eteria. So when the husband goes to the club to meet Madonna, I wouldn't want to ruin the movie but like go out and see it. It's a really fun movie. forty years to see it. had time to see it's true. Maybe it's time to ruin it., Let's ruin it right now for everybody. You don't deserve to know what this movie is about if you haven't seen it So Madonna has a demo, which she had written with this Mark Camans, and it was intended for this artist named Shane. Now, Shane is at the time, a fifteen year old and when you read now with twenty twenty three eyes, a fifteen year old protege of Mark Cayman's, you're like, why does this man have a fifteen year old protege? So no shade, but like that's a little bit, you know, you know, I'm sure everything was on the level. But Shane actually went on to have a couple hit songs, including this one. This is Communistter teelephone, which went to number one on the dance charts in nineteen eighty five and listen to her voice because when I heard it, I was like, o, Just listen when the vocals come in. to me, it's got sounds like Monna Donna vocal similarity, right? But this is a fifteen year old black girl. So Mark Cayenss is not happy that the song is given away and later goes on to say that You know,'s he's pissed in quotes. That's's that's a big eighties there's this whole shred of music where like a young black woman does something. and reaps no benefit. Absolutely no benefit. Well she got a number one on that song, but she didn't get into the grove, which was intended for her. yeah.. But by the way, I love that song because in a weird way it clearly shares some DNA with into the groove and that. I feel like I'm in nineteen eighties New York. Absolutely. Like there was such a cool merger of Dance music with like clearly a hip hop sensibility on that song more than intoo the groove, obviously, but like It's just you can hear I just imagine this club where like some people dress like Madonna, some people were like early B boys in the paty Freddy Sin, like, you know. There's like a b of cultures thing. Like in the movie there's a lot of like goth I forgot that was like a big part of mohawk A lot of moohawk lot of That's the one part where why I'm always like, does that really happen? Becauseuse anyt time you look at an old eighties movie, the bad guys the street tests are always dressed like punks. R they're always like They always punks are usually like the nest people you can meet. That's true. acccording to eighties movies those are like the people who will stab you And you st it's always the punks. And yet we know from our friends who are goths, like they're sweet and sad and kind and not out to hurt anybody. But to your point about her being robbed. you know who else was robbed? Madonna was robbed. This song was not a number one single and it should have been because of just the randomness of how it Well in the United States, right? In the United States, it was robbed of it being the number one because the record label had two big songs already out And they didn't want to interfere with the chart success. R And Angel. They didn't know. They didn't release it because they put it as the B side of Angel Yeah. Oh that's. Right. Yeah it would have it would have done eligible for charting because of that It goes to number one in the UK and dozen other countries, but in the U.S, it never gets the love it deserves on the radio. and number I've always felt like this is probablyrobably my favorite eighties Madonna song, hands down. really? And hands down And I had no idea it was the chart success until we were researching this episode. I mean, like to know that it is to this date her biggest single ever in the UK.' Yeah, I didn't know that. And that is really wild stuff. but like DJ, I will say up until just about ten years ago, you could still play this. prettyre much near the peak of the night and get a huge crowd ofuff. it is like this is officially The music, like Jen Alpha, this is their grandma's R, Right. You know what I mean?ike I get it. but like there's something about those Punchy since synthesizers in it. that beat is outstanding and that's why we're going to play Some stems from me. Yeah, absolutely. And just one more little thing. I lookicked it up. so the songs that were in the top ten already were material Girl and crazy for you. So it kind of makes sense that Sa Records is like we're saturating the airwaves. It's not like the Beatles in the sixties anymore. We got to like But nowadays they would totally release it. nowadays, I feel like Taylor can have like eight songs in the top ten. L they don't feel like one is aping, you know, pulling off of because people aren't spending their five dollars at the record store But this song is so special because in spite of all of these like impediments to being heard by the public, it not being released as a single, it not being eligible. It wasn't even on the desperately seeking Susan soundtrack, which is insane totally insane. still has survived all these years to be as we're saying, to be one of the best known and best loved songs in Madonna's huge cadlogs It's easy. like Vogue, I never knew that Vogue is on the breathless. I'm breath right on the soundtrack the Dick Tracy soundtrack every I used to think it was on the like a prayer album. I just assumed it was. but it's another like huge song that people love and it's just sort of randomly released and which just makes it harder to buy and access. You can only imagine how much bigger it would have been had it been like. So I guess on later releases of like a virgin, they added it after the fact. but anyway, Oh they did? Yeah. Oh interesting. I just feel bad for the Dperly seecret Sus's soundtrack. Like know. L they showed up with all those other songs. Nobody was buying it for leaving Atlantic City. You bought this out. you're like, wait a second,. I don't wantan to listen to this It's important to remember that Madonna was cast for desperately Sking Susan when she was a star, but not a global mega star. And what happens is they use this song, It's in the movie, Madonna's presence in the movie. All of it leads to I found this great quote where Roseanna Arquette turned out to be really unhappy about the evolution of Madonna's superstardom as shooting is ongoing She goes, it was completely unfair. As soon as Madonna came into the picture, the script was changed to suit her. I told them that if Susan was gonna be nothing more than a two hour rock video, spotlighting Madonna, well, I didn't want to be a part of it. A disco dance movie isn't what I signed on to do However, I couldn't get out of it She's so wrong. I love Rosan Arquette. she's so wrong. Yeah. I don't think it's that at all. I think Rosanne Arquette shines in the movie and it's amazing It's all about her her, you know, her re emerging as this woman finding herself and wanting to break away marriage, right? Yeah. L she's with Yeah, Madonna is great in it, but I still think Rosanne Arquette like she's really shine. She's the star. Yeahah After the break You will hear Madonna's untreated vocals. You will hear a very punchy synth bassline And we'll be getting deeper into the groove with Guillermo Diaz. Stay with us. Deper and deeper. Deper and deeper. love this song. Deper and deeper is a great song. Stick around. we'll be right back All right, luxury, I'm so excited to hear these stims Our guest, mis. Diaz, he is excited.ara, you're excited? Oh yeah, kind of. Fair. We're being intidly excited because we don't want to step on your toes. Oh, there's no toes to step on here. Well you know what you got for us Please stay away from the Tes are very clean It's very clean And the pineapple sucks, killing it notic kill it We're so excited to hear these stims. What do you got for? I mean, what's cool about these stims, it kind of reminds me of we did an episode Let's Go Crazy by Prince. Something very similar that emerges is how low fi this song is. It's really crazy. It was recorded on an eight track task scam, like a home recording equipment. It was recorded, the vocals were recorded. You know how like if somebody gives you a microphone on stage, like even at a high school, like at a grammar fifth grade concert, it's gonna be It's going to be a sure SM fifty. It's a ninety nine dollars microphone. It's kind of crazy that that was the process behind it. And this is the huge global pop sensation forty years later song that we all still love It's such a low fi song. And again, with the prrince analogy because when we listen to L let's go crazy, that song was similarly recorded not in a big fancy studio with million dollar equipment. So that's the first thing I just want to say before we get into it Be what you're going to hear may shock you What stnims are you playing for us first? Let's start with the beats. U And one more thing to say actually is that so this is again, Stehven Bray and Madonna co wrote this song. I believe Stehen Bray is the programmer behind all these and performer of this is all electronic. so it's all I'll tell you as we go one at a time, but all of the beats and all the synths are being generated from machines arguably in his home studio, again with his A track Very low fi There's a second version though, as we alluded to, which is arguably equally maybe more famous. which is the Sep pedabone remix And it is using the same elements. it adds some percussion, a piano solo. If we have time, we might get into that too Let's start though with the original version and Let's start with the percussion So I'll build it up from the hi hats and gradually add things till you hear the whole beat Calm there. Clap hi hat This low five beat coming out of good An Oberheim DMX. Now on the internet, this is one of these songs that has like crazy rabbit holes you can go down to get losts on. I'll spare you all of that, but it's probably an Oberheim DMX. It might be a DX. We're not sure. All that matters though, is that this is that same drum machine that we talked about on the New orrder episode. So it's the same one that did Blue Monday dah, may And it's also one of the ones we talked about with Jimmy Jam because he had been using it and was starting to switch over to the Lindrum which is the prinince. Surprise we're not hearing more Rlland TR eight hundred eight Yeah on the show Be I always felt like at that point, that's the drum machine that took over the world Yeah. And yeah, some of our favorite songs are this That's a GmX or DX. One of these you can debate it at home We'll do the planlet Rockpode. We'll be definitely getting into that moment.. So those are the planet Rock. Yeah, exact. All right, That's the one. Don't stop. Do not stop And now we get to the part that I know I'm the most excited about, like what is arguably the heartbeat of the song? the best part is this sick sick baseline That's imp. I want to hear your reaction first and then we'll talk a little bit about the details, but So good. I have no idea what you guys were talking about all that X the drop machines stuff the Langoign production stuff. But as a listener and a lover of the music It's wild because you could hear just a tiny like a second of that and know it's into the groove. Yeah. You know what? distinctive. I have a question. I don't know. What instrument is generating that? So this is, again, the rabbit hole thing. I am eighty eight percent sure from my research that it's a Rlland MKS eighty, which is basically a Jupiter eighth synth, but as a rack mount It is known for being digitally harsh. If you listen to it again, with digital hars. Right The Low fi thing that I was referring to, we heard it in the drums. You can hear this kind of like crunchiness a little bit This is my favorite part of the song. I will admit. like this is the heart, the heartbeat and he. As a DJ like You know, you try not to do too much with the with the trouble in the baseline or whatever, but whenever I would get to certain parts of the song, especially the bridge. like I would do everything I could on my mixer to isolate this base basically because it is so and I never even really noticed like at the end of the of the end of this bar this weird little moment It feels very dap punk. You know, I know the Dap punk is trying to go for this sound but like that Cars that harsh synthl like that is that it's It's very Maotor. It's very Georgia Motor that moment with a d d d d d d. I like how crunchy it sounds. It's very crunchy. That's a good daap punk connection too because you'll hear that a lot in the Daap punk is the sort of the eight b bit crunchiness that they add as a filter, which at the time in the eighties is all they could do. It's so hard. I love it. it actually taps it into a part of my soul. We'll bring it back. But I just want to talk a little bit for a minute about like the baseline influences because it is this electro funk kind of boogy moment. We talked a little bit about this with Jimmy Jam too Right? Because they're programming synths these basslines, which means you can do things that are very hard for a bass player to in particular those sixteenth notes, but, no, don't don't don't dont And it's preciseise and every note sounds exactly the same. and that's very gratifying to to the human brain on the dance floor, especially, right? It' get into you get into a groove if you. Well that's both interesting and very sad that that we were falling in love with the part that it would be very hard for a human to do. Right? Yeah Like let the robots play that. Well, it very much evokes me. Do you remember this song by the system, You are in my system? This is one of my favorites. One of my favorites. He also did don't disturb this groove. I'm sure't Disturb this groove? Oh yeah, of course. There' way you say that I to you But this is other song. great song, right? Yes. But this song, Well you are in my system Not only a great song, but also on the soundtrack to Grand Theft Auto Vice City And so I used to steal cars and just be blasted. You are in To this tune.. But this bassline to me, it very much evokes this bassline, which is from eighty two a few years earlier in GT us. this or maybe even wait wa wait can I just say? Yeah yeah, please please. that seion you play it. I just wna see Eddie Murphy in his axle Fley jacket running down the street about to tackle a doing something, right? There's something about that sound that's like scream ladies movie. Yeah ye The sound of that synth programmed synths with the sixteenth notes and it's funky and syncopated. it also shows up. And by the way, the same person programmed David Frank programmed this other song, which you all will recognize calledall I feel for you by Shak Kan , da,. So this little moment of like a sixteenth note run of melodic run that is like just carves its way into your pleure cer. do that. Oh my go. Okay soe. I'll tell you what else no human can do. No human can bring up the name Saka Khan without one of my aunts going Chak Kan Chakakan. Apparently it's impossible I think I'm one of your ons because I can hear that without doing that. Yeah. That bassline connection is the one I wanted to make because this is sort of like the sound of the dance floor of the moment. So it wouldn't surprise me if Madonna and Stehven were like, let's get some of this electrofunk. David Frank is the name of the programmer on both of the songs I just played you. Let's get some of that vibe in here. The bridge on I feel for you and the bridge on into the group by Madonna Both I think two of my absolute favorite bridges of all time. They're the two bridges, ironically that jump out to me from the eighties where I was always as a DJ trying to isolate. either the base on into the groove or or that Weird symphonic height bab. That sound on I feel for you, like those are two iconic bridges that just come in and they take your heart out. Molaram style. We cannot help but have this We're gonna end this rabbit hole any minute now. I promise you, but you just reminded me because we talk a lot about like riffs and melodies and stuff. There's something about this bassline which crosses the bridge to me into like riff because a baseline is a sick beline's usually low. You kind of you feel it in your body. But this one because it's a little higher pitched maybe. I'm not really sure what it is. It feel it's one of those you take away r the song and humm it in your head kind of hooks I mean, and there's fifty of them in the vocals that we're about to hear We're going we're going to move away from this baseline rabbit hole that we are stuck in But it is a pleasure to be in here with you, Garud. It's so fun to watch you guys talk about music. guys We're so into it, I love it. We're gonna get deeper into it. We're going talk about knowledgeable about it all. We love nerding out about this stuff and it's a pleasure to do it with you.. Hopefully you'll take some of it away and sort of nudge your friends next time and be like, that's an overheime GMX. And they'll be like, wow And they'll be like never invite Garote anything ever again. They'll be like just past that That' to blunt and shut up What's the next stem that you got for us? All right, so let's move on to the synth sot a lot going on in this song in terms of the there's no guitars. We just have the beats you heard, that bassline. and then we have there's three synths technically, but two of them are doing the same thing just with different sounds. So the simplicity is another part of, I think, what makes the song so successful because it gives Madonna and her melodies an opportunity to shine But first, before we get to that Here is the iconic synth melody something you don't always notice, but you notice this That's almost like thepeest road level like. Here comes Ss in the song? Yeah It's so trippy to hear it isolated like that. Yeah that first part, I've never even noticed. No, for you in the mix But Here comes get this part. Th exploration. The weird thing happens here in the background. You know what? you can hear it more prominently. I'm glad we're kind of backing up for a second. There's the demo version of this song That is far more Listen, hearable and it's also what's used in the movie. Yeah. Oh really. The version of the movie is not quite the version we all you'll recognize it. Right how much louder wow For inspiration Right? It's so interesting. So they obviously decided to bury that a little more from like the commercially reased vershood. It So good. You might actually like the demo version. I do too. It's like grittier, right? Yeah raw You can almost smell the sweat on West twenty first. Y. All those goths. Yeah. On that dancer dancing on the Rub and Bird show, you can smell thats so good was sweaty on that. Where is that guyere that guy? wonder thats man.ell the sweat on that show Let's get back to the synths. There's only one more sound. There's one more stem. There's only two more synth stems, but they are doing the same thing. One of them is a Juno one hundred six playing the chords like this. And you can dance. Yeah And then we have an OB eight, which doubles that faster than I can. And then together, it sounds like this It makes it much bigger. Yeah, you know what? You don't really hear that higher pitch then, but you definitely appreciate it It just right I should add something to it. Yeah. And we were talking with Jimmy Jam about this cool. So cool, right? These sounds are the presets in these synths. So at the time like you would buy Synthin, you would just go to, you know forty or whatever the patch would be to find a sound and use it. So these to anyone I have a Juno one hundred six and I recognize these sounds. They are what you get before you start tweaking it to make it sound sort of more original So it's really funny to hear in the mix in this huge hit song, they just used what when they bought the machine it came with. Okay, but before we play those vocal stems, I do have a question for you real quick. People say they never beat your heroes. But you have met Madonna. You ha I didn't know this. Yeah Oh my go. Our researchers have done their flawless fact check.lease And you've met her What was that like? Tell And where was it? L slowly can tell us like It was like meeting the Madonna, the Jesus Christ' mother. It was was it was exhilarating. Madonna Crist. So exciting. I did a show called Scandal and Porsia D Rosi was on the show. Porsia's married to Ellen is generous. Ellen is a hu fan of the show She knows that I'm a huge Madonnaan. she's had me on the show to show my tattoo And she said, when I have Madonna back on, I'm going to bring you on as the guest DJ And she know I show up Tony and I go home that. Y. She's Kick rocks scram. And so I get there and she's like, come on, we're going to go watch Madonna rehearse. and there's me, Ellen and Ellen's mom in the audience No, you know, before the audience was there and we watched Madonna You know, she did liiving for love twice and Anyway, and then we started taping the show and Ellen has me bring up this basket of Michigan state like you know, blankets and Goodies and stuff becausecause Madonna's daughter just started going to college there And I walk up to Madonna and I say Look, I have you on my arm and I show her my tattoo of her and she's like, o, and she hugs me and kisses me and And then I get down on my knees and come down to her. And she has this look on her face like, Yep, that's where you should be. accur. But yeah, it it was crazy. I still can't believe That is that is insane. Did you get a picture or autograph? or I mean you're on the episode so there's video. I mean, it's on the internet you know, you can Google. I was shooting the show. I was shooting scandal in the middle of taping that And the producers were so cool. They were like, we know, you letadonna go tape it. but they had somebody a driver there waiting for me And Ellen was like, stay after the show and I'm going introduce you properly and we can talk and hang out. And they were like, you gota get back to set. No I had to leave. Yeah. Did you tell them that you were like? Yeah, I mean, they knew, but at that point, I had already hugged her and kissed her and you know I On stage. it was fine. Yeah All right, Luxury, let's get back into it. We've denied the people long enough. We want to hear Madonna'. No more denying of the people. No. So let's listen to the iconic vocal intro. And I know for some of you, because it certainly was for me. It's a bit of a surprise when you hear it isolated what it sounds like. What's she saying And you can dance For inspiration That how much bleed there is Come on I'm waiting is so like so sweet and fading out. But it was hard I couldn't hear that for years. She's so demure. She's very demure. Yeah, that Madonna, just a little wallflower. Yeah. shower. shrink. But you can hear what I was mentioning about the SM fifty eight microphone and like there's like bleed. It's like this probably intended to only ever be a demo. In fact, I read somewhere In fact, I read actually on Stehen Bray's Instagram where he says when they told him that it was going to be a single and they needed to redo it, he told Madonna like, let's let's go in and reing it. And she's like, I'm not gonna to sing it Really? Yeah. So what we're getting is intended to have been a demo vocal There was no problem with it. It's been hearing all this time. And sometimes when you can try and do things twice. Yeah, it just the same No sure. Yeah. It ain't perfect, but when you try and get it perfect, it's just something loose looose something You're trying too hard Also Yeah. if the internet is to be trusted, she had a date after this song So she was she was rushing to get out of the studio. Yeah. She was in hurt. So she was like, let's get let's get through this. And it became her number one single of all time in the United Kingdom. off course. Well it sounds like from what I read, she wasn't crazy about it. and we've talked about maybe the record label held it back. It sounds like I've also read where maybe she wasn't so crazy about it and didn't want to release it as a single either. Maybe these things were combined, but like We all love we all love it. Well she loves it now. She's done it like on almost every tour. It's such a hit song. But I've never seen I can hest I don't think I've ever been to a Madonna concert. so when I heard that she's performing, No, don' leave. Okay. You know what? I'm sorry, I was too honest. We tend to be vulnerable here. I don't think I've ever I've seen her live, so to speak, but it was in a club setting. Okay I was saying that she had a dance show around like twenty ten or somewhere in there And and I went to not a live taping of that, but like it was her and the dancers from that competition show. And so I've been in the same when I worked to Jimmy Fallon, she came on the I've been in the same space as her. I've never been to a Madonna concert And when I heard that Int the Groove is a part of this current lineup al I'm a bad girl from I. Yeah. I was like, you know what, I just I got to go out and see this because I do feel like she is an artist who I have followed for many, many, many, many years. And whether it was the Ray of Light album or the music album, like she's always had you know, a single or two out there that I'm like All right You know, I guess I'm Justify My love. But of the first songs to sort of activate a teenage me and think like, oh, I think I like my Spanish teacher. Because Justify My love is is such a filthy, sexy song. Yeah. Lenny Kravitz wrote it Yeah, I believe it. I believe it. yeah.. And it's got that like a public enemy sample in it or Yeah ye ye. Well, l. Is that the funky drummer? Is that the it's one of the It's aop Yeah. No it's not. It's a classic hip hop sample that a lot of people have used. I think it's programmed to sound like funky drummer. So maybe it's a I think it's an interpolation of funky drama, but it's as there you go. Okay. But it is that hip hopie that so many people can. Yeah Okay. So now it is time to hear Madonna's isolated vocals for the iconic chorus Get into the grove boy you got to prove your love to me Get up on your feet Y stuff to the be Boy what will it be? That is indeed a double. I started with it isolated one take and then we added a second one I like the dubbling. C you play me one of my favorite lines from the song Only when I'm dancing. Yeah canan you play that one? I'm dancing Let's do it Only when I'm dancing can I feel free. At night I lock the doors where no one else can see. I'm tired of dancing here by myself. Tonight I wna dance with someone Now that is one of my absolute favorite lines from a song from this era Um, before I get into what I what I like about that line. Is there anything you can say about this line? Beause think I think it's one of the great lines in this song. Its So good. She kind of sounds like Mini Mouse a little bit. Ver helelium. So cute. She had such a cute voice. She was very young. you young. twenty six, twenty seven at this point. Yeah. She something like that. Wow, I didn't know she she's already twenty six. Yeah, I mean, a little older. her p started started a little later in life. amazing. Yeah yeah. That just doesn't show how young I feel like even anyway. Do you have a favorite line from this song you want to hear? I can I can I justor finish. Can I just say the reason why this is my favorite line is because, you know, there's just something about like a woman, I guess, you know, at the time, it felt like a girl. It felt like sort of like the two sides of a personality, like she's belting out this song, but then she admits it, she's basically shy. like She has to close the door, she has to lock it And she's dancing in a room by herself. like You know, likeike Robin dancing on my own, right? Yeah, a little bit. It's conffessional, you know, And I always thought that that line was excellent Um, just from a creating a character for the song And know I she's a shy girl, right? Yeah, she's essentially a shy girl who you know, can't just be she's not out there just being like, you know, an extrovert all the time. Wh. she's She locked the door and she's dancing all by herself. And you've nailed the premise in terms of what she said about how she wrote the song She said when she was writing it, she was sitting in a fourth floor walk up on Avenue B, and there was a gorgeous Puerto Rican boy sitting across from me that I wanted to go out on a date with and I wanted to get it over with, but she was basically, she's too shy. So there is a shyness in wanting to communicate but being a little too reticent perfectly translates into the song As we've been saying that we were joking about demourness and waallflower, but that's accurately the character in the song. So I think I picked up on it. Yeahah. Do you have a favorite lyric And don't, I don' I don't know right That's fine. It's that type of song too where like this is the first time that you guys are, you know We're talking about the lyrics so specifically that I'm I'm like Oh, that's what she's saying, you know Because sometimes you love a song and you just keep hearing it for years and you don't really know what they're saying or what the lyrics are. It just feels It just sound good and it brings up, you know just happiness in you U So so it's funny. I I wouldn't even know what line to tell you that's fine. you know, sometimes you can Othink things and sort of rob them of what makes them viscerally fun. Yes. So we are fans of both people who've dissected every single thing. Yeah people were like, Hey man, thirty thousand fe is perfect. Leave it alone. Yeah. I can tell you my favorite part and I'll play it for you, it's the brridge section. It's actually got a doubling and a harmony part. So I'll play it for you first by itself and then I'll add the double And I want to hear two elements just by themselves. Okay and see what that sounds like. Okay.ider it Lve remix, but I don't even know what that is, but I'm excited. Okay, so let's start with Madonna's brridge and I'll tell you a brief story about how it got made Live out your fantasy here with me. Just let up music too free. Touch my body. Moving time. Now I know your mind. T. I love the lows. when the lows come in, those are Let's listen to those isolated because that harmony is really nice. And you're right, she's going underneath the lead instead of on top, which often happens with harmonies Spe with girls Girls together give out your fantasy here with me. Just let the music, set you free. Touch my body. Is that all her? is that it's all hers That's just her. It' just her. That's just her. And you know, like we've dealt with other singers on the show where we're like, Oh, that background you hear that's profional background singer, and And But here this is just Madonna. And you were saying that in your mind is ingrained, this dancer on a late night public access show. I can't hear these lower Madonna because the image that sticks out to me because the music video for this was just clips from the movie. That's right. you know The image that sticks out to me is like, I think she like kind of puts up her arms like this Yeah like rocks likeike that to mey underarms. Sexy underarms. Is it sexy underarms? That kind of got burned into my soul. I can't about the moment you're talking about. Can't think about this brid without thinking like This is is she doing? Yeah. This is also the movie and I think this is part of the video too is when she's drying her underarm with a hand dryer on the back in they. Right. So it's veryin movie. Yeah the train station at the be Yes, yes, yes. I want to hear, can you play me the bridge with just the bass synth and her vocals? those two things? And that bass line is so sick too. Dude, I just want to hear Donna baseline liive remakes happening right now. on one song. I'll even give you the basasseline isolated first just for the satisfaction of that, and then we'll add the voc youll bring in the vocals? Okay that's what I'm gonna do.ve That's what I'm gonna to do. And just a quick story about this part, by the way, Stephven Bray had written a section that wasn't working. So when Madonna came in to sing, he had a melody in mind and it wasn't working. It wasn't It wasn't connect. So on the spot. Madonna came up with the melody and lyric, that whole thing that we just heard. She just had came up with on the spot to sort of solve the musical problem That's the genus that. I like robs. Yeah She's going this watch her W her Just loousic too free. Touch your body moveving in time. Now I know your mind too . that is some sugary perfection right there. Sugar is How do you feel about that? I love it. I love it. I kind of wna go dancing right now. Oh good I feel like that's all I keep saying. It's so good. I love it. It's great. This bassline the whole song, it's got like three or four different ideas. They're all very propulsive and they move the song forward. They're bouncing and they're propulsive. It's really the heartbeat of the song and just sort of the pulse that kind of guides you through the entire thing. And they're also melodically satisfying. Like it's that's another Bass line I just played for you. It's like, I love just listening to that by itself. It's almost like its own little melody. It So really I really genenius work by Stehen Bray. Genius work As we talked about into the groove from desperately seeking Susan represents Madonna's first major role. What are some of your favorite Madonna acting performances? Do you have some? Yeah, she did a movie called Dangerous Game What year is that That was nineties, like mid nineties with a Harvey Kitel. Oh man And um It's like one of the best performances my opinion. out without any major she's the killer. Without any major spoilers. what happens in Dangerous Games? She plays an actress in the movie and So it's a sort of, it's it's kind of like they're they're document menting the the rehearsal process. And then the filming of this movie in the movie and the The man that plays opposite Madonna. is on drugs while he's doing the movie while he's, you know, off offet and then he becomes super abbusive in the fake movie. it's justs it's a wonder if you haven'ten it's on Tuubbe as well, Dangerous game So Your favorite your top three Madonna albums can you name them Oh yeah. Eerotica. Okay numberum one for sure, like a prayer. Yeah. u Oh manan, this is hard and confessions on the dance floor What year is that my top three? What years's confessions? Is that two thousand five? Early Yeah. early two thousand mid a little Is that early mid? Is that was the one we hung up? You you were prriceed? Yes Y Yeah on Yeah and a jump Jump which is an amazing track as well. Get ready to jump Oh my gosh, on the Deil Boys Prada soundtrack U ye, conffessions is a dope al. And it was also an amazing tour, sorry. It was an amazing tour? No, I mean, you know, here's my thing. I loved music. I thought that was such a cool t Me too. And I feel like it didn't do like what I thought it was gonna do. I thought it was really gonna mainstream like a craft work Da here. like kind of collab is what it is. Yeah, totally. It just felt like pting She had been listening what was happening in Dance music And for a long time, like she kind of steered clear of like full on dance album. But I feel like with that one, like she sort of came in It's a very danceable, right? Music,usic.. Yeah. And she has, donon't tell me to stop in that And that which which is amazing. which I think was written by her brother in law, Joe Henry guy who wrote the song Is that the one with the acoustic kind of that starts and stops at the beginning? Yeah. ye. It was her cowboy era. Yeah. That's h. Well even Ray of lightight, she looked a little more cowboy. Yeah. Ray of lightight, by the way. Ray album my favorite single might be my favorite song. That's your favorite? It might be express yourself, Ray of L into And this whole conversation is like I have a big battle in my head about Madonna' raging right now because' so good. Yeah. that was her her I mean, I don't want to say comeback, but she had had her kids. She had just had Lola Lordz and this was her album right after she, you know. That's true becausecauseuse there was a break from like erotic You know, like the deeper and deeper vogue. Yes. And then ray of lightight was like a big shiny moment. By the way, I have to say, before I ever was obviously old enough to go out, the music video for deeper and deeper I was convinced to like T be able to go out to nightclubs in New York was like the most fun thing you could ever do. Yeah. Like it just looked like they were having the greatest time. It's a great house track. I mean, like I don't know if people ever mix it into house sets. I've never heard it, but like it's just a great early house track. you know It's such a good video.uch a good video many iconic like People in People in that Hollywood lawn and Udo Kir and Part of what I love about Madonna is that she represents this New Yorkific undergroundness Yeah, which we talked a little bit before the show started, but like I have such a fantasy about living in other eras and so many of them are New York's factory era, but also New York in the CVGB era, but also New York in the eighties. Also New York in the nineties, the club kid era. And Madonna has a kind of a through line or connections, I should say to so many of these things. She really represents that New York underground I can't anyore. She really does, even with all the artists You know, Jeh Miche Baskiad andes and u Keith Herring and you know, Julian Snaobble, all those people. But it's kind of like we've been saying, she's an artist first and music is one of the many avenues. Yeah. She's telling a story. She's political. It's visual, it's, you know, representing ideas. and it's also music and it's also dancing. She's really put this package together. So makes sense as you guys were saying about the Bowie connion Like of course it's a b yeah, that's also that was such a performer too, such a right. driven. artist because he He would go on stage and create characters. I think he's Yeah probably one of the first artist that did drag on stage as one of as a, you know, He was a musical. I mean, he was already like pretty from established. I mean, so many of these characters. And then the last question, if you were directing a Madonna biopic We hear the studio, we're saying, Guermo, you can direct it Who plays Madonna? question Lordaas Lord as the on her daughter. Yeah that's for her daughter. That' actually a good That'd be perfect. I anw I your son doing it. Yeah.. I't imagine anyone else worthy to play Madonna. I know they she she actually cast someone for the biopic. It's the woman the girl from Ozark. to lead the blind No She was in inventing Anna, the lead in inventing Anna. Joyia Garner. Yeah Is that Yeah. She's the who has the cly hair. Yeah, yeah, Madonna Casor That'fectly Madonna.es. Perfect. Yeah. Every now and then you're just like that person became famous because you were already reminding me of a young Madonna. Is there anythingick? totally for the biopic. Is there anything about Madonna that you have not shared today that you would like to share with us before we go? . Let you have said it. I know. I have to think about that one. Yeah. There's I mean I don't know. justust like'm I'm so disgustingly in love with her. But I think everyone knows that already. Do you know what it is? I this as a fan, what would you like to see her do next to tackle home really I really would love to see her act again, to see her in a movie But she said she she's said it in the press. K kind of retired. She's done with acting. She's just going to do music But, you know, she She said she's not going to do stuff before and then she's done it Yeah It's like a character dying on a soap opera. you're like the writers can figure out a way for their evil twin to come to. Exactly, exactly. Is Cher really done with touring? No she's not. Yeah. I love that. I love that. Well, thank you so much. This has been such a fun, fun episode with you. Luxury help me in this thing. All right, well, I'm producer, DJ and songwrer Luxury. I'm actor writer, director, and sometimes DJ Diiala Riddle And this is one song. 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