Books and Basketball Connections

Welcome to Pablo Tore Finds out. I am Pablo Tore. and today we're going to find out What this sound is Well, I think when we all liked Wimby Remember those days rightight after the ad I realized on the way here, unless I completely made this up that we don't really know each other at all. I was gonna say. We don't really, we've never met. Correct. We don't know each other, but I If somebody, which, you know, I told you I invoke your name all the time. Like anytime I'm in a complicated conversation typically about sports, most especially of these last days. I will wield your name you know, But then I think you don't really He's not your friend yet. You haven't earned that I am now going to play hard to get because now I realize that I have the power to giveive friendship or not in the course of his taping. I should say that the very beginning of our relationship of our relationship. I got a voice note. Yeah And you're a voice note person. I am I have never sent voice notes to You are the only person. Is that right? We have a voice note based relationship and that is a unique dynamic. What do you think of What do you think of voice notes If you're Sarah Jessica Parker You should be using them exactly as you have been It's my one contribution to modernity because I'm not at all conversant with technology. I mean, I use the bare minimum of what a phone can offer But It's a real point of pride how many people have taught N not yourself because you would be able to figure out how to send a voice just noally. But I have taught like sincerely given a masterclass, as it were, and it has liberated a lot of people and all types of people. And it's very interesting to hear from those people how it has come to annoy other people in their life. I just know that on Instagram, you sent me a voice note and I cursed very loudly and told any number of people that I'm embarrassed to know, admit that I just got a voice Ne sllash memo from Sarad Deskca Marker Something I really take pride in with PTFO is your surprise at what any given show is gonna be about. Some days, we'll be investigating an endless NBA scandal Other days will be marking the ten year anniversary of the assassination of a gerilla by showing you an exclusive never before seen video of that same gorilla E to get its own poop But today We're bringing you a person of interest, a patron saint of sorts whose entry into our cinematic universe here is a surprise to me Sarah Desska Parker's collection of Emmys and Golden Globes and All these accolades does not even begin to describe a five decade career in public performance Ever since she was a child actor in Hollywood and on Broadway, and other such Manhattan sidewalks You, of course, would know her from her role as a relentlessly fashionable newspaper columnist named Carrie Bradshaw in Sex of the City And Don't know her from that. I guess it is extremely funny that this would be how you're finding out about sex in the city for the first time But Sarah Jessica's voiceovers her narrations on that show As Zen and heard on HBO the late nineties and into the two thousands I had a choice I could run Or I could stand and ask him the question that if I didn't ask, would haunt me the rest of my life I thought by the time I got here, I'd know what to say And It got to the point where receiving a voice note from that same woman. who, I will note, is happily married to another voiceover haall of Famer, Matthew Brodderick Felt exhilarating to me And also, to be honest Confusing You have been so genuinely kind to be from afar as somebody who I did not think would be in the coalition of consumers of this stange show. in this studio that we do. It makes total sense to me. First of all, I want to find out. but I love the kind of work you do The way I like to receive news and information, and I always have preferred a kind of long form I like the depth, which is why you just won a really big prize. W. Well, it's true because that's the way you approach it and I love it. And then I started seeing you for the first time really joining the news in a much more public facing way. And then all of a sudden there you were more and more in front of my eyes. So it was really exciting. for people like me who admire the kind of work you're doing You've gotten it on the ground floor. Be before any of these fancy things rises, it turns out you were watching me while I was like kind of sleep deprived on morning Joe talking about the news and also posting things about sports journalism and the idea Carrie and Bradshaw. would be in our audience. It brought me to this moment where I was like The reason they're so There are many reasons I wanted to have you in studio here today I mean, we'll get to all of them, I hope. F and foremost ' the fact that you're also a New Yorker in a way that has made according to whom. Well, come on. So what's your take? You have to be Born in New York to be a New Yorker. Yeah I know everybody wants to claim the city. No, I know. Everybody wants to claim our city, but you have to be born in New York. You have to be born in the one of the five boroughs to be a New Yorker.. The J Low standard for being real here for a second. Jennifer Lopez is You are. you're Marill born raised, right? That's right. Yeah That's right,'ve been here forty years I don't believe in blood and soil citizenship when it comes to who gets to be a New Yorker? I would like to hear your opinion on this actually, because you can have the label, but I guess it really depends on how you want to identify a New Yorker My father was born and raised in Brooklyn. When we were little before we moved to New York City, we would visit New York and then we would travel home in our Volkswagen bus, and I would get to Clifton, which is this beautiful little neighborhood in which we lived in Cincinnati. and I would say out loud to anybody who would Listen, or perhaps not just, I can't believe we were just in New York City. Like I can't believe there was just this distance So when we moved, we moved to New York City on january first of nineteen seventy seven So that is just J fifty years ago So I think of myself as a New Yorker because I can't claim Cincinnati because that would be fraudulent to me I've lived a majority of my life, not just adult, but my life here. And this is not about definition but I also feel as if It does speak to the broader conversations we're having in politics and the political body and social body really is contributions. What are the ways in which we're I don't like look at my contributions, But I mean all of us look at the ways in which we're relating to our city, taking from our city, trying to give to our city, wrapping our arms around the city, being disappointed in the city, frustrated by the city. So I think you have to experience all those things to know what it means to be a New Yorker It's not sex in the city, which was a very sort of an alternate universe decadent kind of look at a city at a particular time economy, politics, sex So I feel you have to weather all that. To say you're a New Yorker. I always say I wasn't born here to is a point of pride The thing about what New York is, by definition, it's the place that welcomes those who are not from the place It's specifically it's the that's the story. Yeah And I think about this a lot with the againgain, the larger political discourse, but like the cultural discourse around Are we an idea? or are we something that you need to have this blood and soil It's such a cool thing that you said this word idea because I had to I didn't have to, but I was speaking to some students this past weekend. You are a doctor. C I am doctor, Sarah, Jessica. honor Northwestern University and But in trying to fashion my remarks, I was thinking so much about the idea of New York, but the idea of our country, that the revolution was formed around an idea, like this crazy great transcendent idea of liberties and this day two hundred and fifty years later, we're still wrestling with those original notions So New York is that. I love its promise of that. And it has fallen short for so long. L this idea of comoming here with a dream and being able to afford an apartment to be a dancer or an artist or an architect or an engineer or a schoolteacher or a plumber. like all of that isn't real anymore But it doesn't mean that we don't want to make it doable here. There's a whole statue about this, I think. Soill mean it even if we're constantly coming up short of it. becausecause you've now given all the characteristics of what New York can be like, but you've left out the adjective that I think has been most felt during this last glorious couple of weeks And I think the underrated aspect The city has been horny Yeah That's so great. I wouldn't have thought of that word, but I would have danced around a bunch of words that If you had to look in the thesaurus, might they would there would be some ven dimagram where they would all overlap. Pheromones are out The level of agitation in the best way, you can't even shake it. It's not like spinning it off and seeing it. like I don't want it to go don't want All of us to drop back down to earth. O a run. Like the New York Kcks, all of us in the city are on a run I saw you know, you had your you had a guest on Yes Well, Jesus. Yeah. Yeah. He was talking about stealing the USS intrepid at one point. I mean, am the way he articulated I'm embarrassed say I was unfamiliar with him prior to he's a huge fan of yours. He'll be delighted that you're saying Cool He is so he's a poet. Yes He literally created pros. I've never taken drugs or anything, but that's what it seems to me like a kind of euphoria You would chase forever. Like the best version. That drug is sports I was a huge Yankee fan Like my whole courtship was pretty much based around baseball and Barbara Cook at the Carlisle and some other cultural stuff that our honeymoon was going to try to visit every ballpark in the country. Oh my God. we didn't do it I was a Yankees fan, you know ino Martineas, Chuck up, like that whole group. Pllo Neil and that's my childhood. The nineties is my. Yes, those Yankees radicalized me. Those Yankees. And Matthew was born pretty much and raised a Mets fan. his father was a Mets fan. so it was complicated at first him to fall in love with the Yankee but that team was you couldn't they were it was so seductive So this team Like somebody took that and multiplied it what? Nothing's like this. Nothing. I've been trying to do the math on this and I keep on coming to the realization that I've never felt this. Jesus, again, the poet. said Accurately, this is reverse nine eleven. Yeah And I'm like, Yeah, ye. And the thing that that made me think of you is as the pheromones are swirling and as the city feels alive H this whole Caree Badhop monologue voice note lingering over all of it. I mean, inadvertently like I'm making puns, I'm doing my own version of what this all means to me And it is this heightened reality. Yeah. It feeleels like we're watching and starring in the greatest television show and also everyone is hornning Yeah, weve gota I mean This is why the serious and the silly love you The thing that's also really struck me about what's happened is that everything that I look at connects to it. thingsings that are seemingly completely unrelated makes me think of not just the five the entirety of the team because those last two games. We were just seeing the entire bench just in and out I was thinking about them as all of us were doing when they went home after they lost, you know what was this going do to them? How are they? How were they this morning? Did they sleep? Did they eat? Can they eat? Some people can't eat when they're upset, but you need food and fuel for that kind of level of physicality always on my mind in ways that are important and meaningful and in ways that are silly like I cannot get over They're adop kits Cnot get over their doop kits Inside there is what? Speed stick Maybe a good luck charm. That is a point of absolute obsession for me because I've also just never seen that. Like they have redefined all of it. I can't believe the way they dress. canan't believe the seriousness. and the prorofessionalism, the way they've talked about These games from the very beginning There's so much about them. But then I was thinking that they also Anytime anybody says something's difficult now My answer is immediately, well, if they can win in five I can do this. It's unfreakingbelievable. What happened? It's unbelievable. And the movement and how brutal it is, it's so freaking brutal I didn't know. As somebody who tends to be this ambassador from the world of sports to Colitical news and other people who are not as steeped in it The thing I always delight in when I think about this team is how many people have in fact been converted Yeah It's amazing. I love that sports like New York is a club in which anyone can be a member You can be a fan and having liable, deeply likable people who also happen to have three of the five biggest comeback wins in the history of the finals in the same series It's the other version of what New York does to people. And you've experienced this As a New Yorker who's been here for so long, who's been very famous in this city for so long, who has lived in the city Yeah whichich is a place that lots of other famous people stay who have stayed. Exactly. while other people have run away. It's because what New York can do is eat its young Yeah Yeah Yeah The smar lightight can melt you more like Superman feeling the rays of M, Earths sun, it can make you stronger. Yeah. there's a reason people no matter how many times that song is played, if you can make it here, you know, it's like, but it is the greatest crucible. It asks the most gives the least and then it gives But it's so withholding. and its expectations are so high. And those are only based on what has happened here or what has been achieved here. And I just want to be clear that I have not been watching the N all season. I'm like so many people all because of my son, James Wilkie, who is devoted every single day, every game, He has far too many jerseys has spent far too much of his own money and likely hours on those. Jerse and it was impossible to not fall in love, It's like the best date you've ever been on where everything is revealed and he is the guy. He is the right guy. You do not just bring him home to your mother or your parents or whomever raised you. You're bringing him very quickly to your friend group You're showing him off. You take him to the wedding the first weekend. you don't think, is it too soon? And if you put it all together again, it might not work. It's one of those crazy lightning in a I think, is it or not? I think that right now. we are living through what feels like this cosmic moment in which Suddenly Everything that's bad about New York has been turned into a romantic Yeah, deeply romantic. opportunity to have lots of new people fall in love with us. Yeah And so I don't know if you can do this if the pandemic hadn't happened already There are a few steps that lead us to this. L there was a story being told and there were kind of very specific breadcrumbs that had they not? And we didn't we might not have known how much we needed this because we might not have needed each other The end of June and July can be a really rough period for sports fans with football still a few months away and basketball and hockey ended This year, we're pretty lucky Because not only is there a worldorld Cup, there iss a World Cup in our backyard And so make sure to check out the Athletic Podcast Network to stay up to date on all things related to the World Cup. You can wake up with the Ttally football show from LA, then dive deep into the biggest talking point of the day with the athletic FC podcast. And you can watch the TFO podcast fool around on their daily live streams in the afternoon All shows are free to watch or listen on your favorite podcast platform I just have to imagine that as someone who has lived in New York City and managed being famous in New York City and recognizable and the type of person that people want to stop and they share They're h Preconceived baggage L you. Yes tellell me what your strategy is and I want to see if there are lessons for the Kicks at figuring out, how do you be famous in this city I think one of the reasons that we all feel a lot of joy for this team is because we're not worried about them They don't show any signs of not being fully equipped for this moment. To me, when I hear all of them talk, whether they're being silly or serious, all have these family ties that are consequential of this moment with them. So I feel like they're tethered They're both levitating and tethered at the same time. and that could not, in my opinion, put them in a better position. all the benefits of this. and I sort of feel that this group of men are and capable and The stuff that will be new, they'll have to figure that out. How do you handle selfies? I know I'm very bad atself. I've never taken a selfie in my life. I've never never taken a selfie. I'm very bad at it. always prefer that we chat But I always say to somebody, if we have a second to chat for a minute, I'll remember you for the rest of my life. And when I run into you again, I'm going to say, how's your aunt doing You know, how did you run that test? You know, did you have that trip that you wanted to do? How was your wedding? con you But I think for them, they're much more conversant in that and that because they do it and they know how to do it and they can do it quickly and move. I just feel that They don't need advice from me or from anybody, what they need is our support. And my great hope is that the council they're getting is telling them all come back Don't leave New York, please don'tave New York And that's what I want to ask you. I'm not leaving the studio without getting your thoughts on all the contracts because I've been through a professionals and I've gone down. I know how much every single person makes.. So do want to get to that before you think I think it's I think it's doable I think they can keep this together. I was worried that we wouldn't be able to keep them that this wouldn't exist next year We're gonna to lose some of them This is what the drug is like, by the way. Suddenly you're worried about what's going to happen twenty twenty eight With Aerial Huuck Porty. It's just like Jesus Christ. It does not end. And that is yet another difference between Broadway and the NBA is that when you watch a play, you are also thinking about the plays five years from now, right That is a nice distinction. Can you remind us though, what it was like in nineteen ninety eight when Look, HBO, I should remind people When Sex of the City came on the air in nineteen ninety eight and I was thirteen years old. Oh my goodness. HBO was Dude stuff. It was HBO sports. It was boxing And so the idea of you becoming this supernova that moment in the sort of like long chart of what media and television was like. ninety eight Do you look back on that nostalgically? Yeah Oh yeah, all of us do And for lots of reasons that are related and unrelated to the experience of the show, And New York was not a city of justice. It was in one of those kind of Halcyon periods of there was a lot of money and post Go eighties and some literature that was describing it in really interesting ways, modern contemporary literature But was still a city where actors and artists moved they could share an apartment with two or three people at most And what populated the streets was more singular than it became, you, we didn't have tons of big box stores. we had family owned businesses. You know this well, even if you were thirteen, you could imagine Things look much more like Lexington. You know how Lexington has somehow maintained its I love I worship Lexington because I think it's I don't know like Ly Avenue. Yeah. Yeah, Lexington Avenue, because it's got all it's a lot of family run businesses. and New York looked much more like that And I have like a kind of dynamism that went away But then in terms of the show, you know, we were very liberated because on the streets because for the whole first season we weren't on the air. We were just shooting just shooting everywhere. doing whatever we needed and wanted to do. And we had a network that had such a healthy ego that it didn't matter that there was no point of reference. so we were just These scripts were being written. They really weren't like anything else. There wasn't a point of reference that we could look to for security or for warnings or cautionary ch. template, you became the reference point for all these other shows that came after. And it was a great studio to let that be the case. And most of us didn't have kids yet We were young or unattached or Dating could shoot eighteen, twenty hour days months and months and months and and feel nothing No guilt, like it was where I wanted to be And It was a really fun and exciting time and it felt a little bit like a pioneer. you're shot on film You know, rolling big cameras down the streets, big like Kague likes, like proper movie lightes around the city of New York aroundround the city like one of the great One of the great things is always to see one of the almost like the multiolor like flyers that are saying this is shooting right now. hope like I hope it's section is I hope it iss law in order Always one of the ones that I know. But it was a great it was a great time in the city And everything I've read about you is that you did not and will not watch Kas city. I don't watch anything I'm in. Anything. anythingything Why not? No movies, no nothing. That's why I love theaterre. I think it's just You know, for me, it's not helpful. You know, when the spurs were in timeouts, et ceter, there were these three fellas lined up behind them with computers shouting at stuff, shouting to them. and it's clearly about plays and strategy and things like that My colleague, Cynthia Nixon, is so good lookingooking at the work and having it be productive and helpful. For me, it will never be as good as I want it to be ever. It will never achieve what I did in my bedroom learning lines. L I was better in the shower. I was better in the van and Cynthia can look at the work and say, oh, I want to do that differently tomorrow or ye Yeah, that was good. Like she can look at Daily and say they were really good. and That's a healthy relationship with that. But mine has been healthy for me because it's just simply the way I've worked. I did a series a hundred years ago called Square pegs, and I had never really worked on film in this fast pace. I'd done movies as a little girl And um I was invited to watch Daailies, which I'd never been invited to. One day, you know, we were in school so we they call us from the school the studio school and we'd run back to the set and I'd jump on my mark and say my lines. and then I saw it back and I was horrified by what I saw. I was like You You shouldn't be here yet. You're not Ready And so I think from that day on, when I saw that I wasn't happy I was like, you're not going to be someone that's going to get something good out of watching yourself So I haven't It's hard to argue when you put it like that. If the whole thing is like my performance is better, I am happier, my quality of life has improved if I'm not stuck in my own head. Yeah Be all you have to do and the same with these athletes, you know, you see it all the time and I'm sure you're in game three, and you see it on stage, it's very evident on stage as you can tell when somebody's in their head and you just are desperate to get to a Saturday matinee. Nothing is better than a Saturday matinee. And that's what I thinking in game three, I was like, guys to the part of the season. Can you do that And it's a huge amount to ask because the stakes have never been higher for them. And the stakes are never higher when you're in previews and the critics are coming or when the camera's rolling. like the stakes are really high. There's a lot of money at stake. There's professional lives that have invested in you and time, all of it feels really important to me And it's the same for these athletes. like we're asking them to be in the zone Constantly. That's what makes this story so amazing about the next is that it was humans that did it It was humans that Overcame, fought against, fought back, came back All the human stuff with all this chatter about All the things that technology and digital ide about this is the context. It' like the antidote, this is being antidote Yes by the triumph of mortality. And how deeply cuts and feels and is and satisfies It brings me to the question of Celebrity now versus celebrity In ninety eight. Wow I think it was George Clan who said it, I'm lucky that the advent of camer phones happened when I was forty three. Of course, The equivalent of tabloid coverage and paparazzi, photographs and all of that is Although you feel did you feel paparazzi is sort of I think that the cell phone has basically. come for all of it. Yeah. And I'm wondering Is there an nostalgia for you as a New York based person who has to navigate What am I doing in public? Who's seeing me? How am I being seen? Yeah, except then you're never out You know, I'm gonna to leave the studio. I'm gonna go walk up the street because I happen I can early vote and my early voting place is literally up the street from here. and I'll walk there and I'll jump on the train to run some marins on behalf of my daughters And I don't want to miss out on all those advantages that city life gives you, which is A gettingetting to look in someone's eyes and know why they're happy because of the next. like you miss all of that if you are istered and afraid of what you might bump into Right. And that someone might recognize you and they do. And you just say hello and you say I'm running or you say I'm on the phone. I'm so sorry headphones on, and sometimes I am, sometometimes I'm not Yeah. sometometimes I'm listening to you. And if you want to live in a city, if you want to be like I just love cities. when I travel Everyone wass like, go to the beach. I'm like, no, I want to go to So Pao. I want to go to the city. I want to go So Paolo's a crazy skyline. It's I was there for the worldld Cup. Credible fourteen. As a New Yorker, I was just astonished at how much bigger even their skyline felt. Isn't it incredible? But it's like a city that It like a proper vibrant. so For me If I remove myself then I'm like what am I why am I here Then I don't get any of it. I take the train everywhere, I take the train out east. I get on the cannon ball when I can. You know, you fight for a seat like like it's so great. It is so My daughter two wheels st still on her bicycle yesterday You know, if she have to tamed up two days too many probably or four days too it's okay. This is like a rite of passage. Mat' like, ye, this is what happens. And now you know what to do and now you know where to go and the guy down the street and then she's like, do I sell the bike for parts? Do I? You know, these are like You can't Do it If you don't give yourself the chance to live it. Like you can't have it You can't have it and everybody's tuning in all over the world because They know We're tasting this thing that no one else can taste. Yes, the possibility that any thing can happen. Yeah. And that's The upside, it's also the downside when you're on a subway car it's like, whyy is a subway car empty? It's like, oh, someone just took a shot. Yeah Yeah. likeike that also is possible. Yeah or vomits on you or says something scares you Also too, you know I feel like my Kids are really preared in a lot of ways because They will come home and tell me what they experience. And one daughter in particular. She's like, why am I always on that car? Why is it always me like, why am I on that car all the time? But you know, you know what to do you get out here you move to the doors or Yes. You go when I was really young and I first moved to New York and I had to travel alone, I was like twelve, I think reallyally short didn't weigh anything. and I had to get back up to Dob's Ferry from Grand Central. Oh, you know what I'm going to do? because they were all the businessmen were all traveling back up on the metro North too I'll just go stand by one of them and they won't know, but I'm gonna look at one of them like they're my dad. So if anybody sees me, I'll be looking up at this man. like the way a child looks at a father, you develop all these coping mechanisms when you're in a city. That is a child actor. That is almost definitionally what a child actor's commute would be like I am protecting myself by pretending that I It was just like a child. But you developed it too. Yeah. You found all these ways to navigate the city, get through Don't p the fair, don't pay the fair. U your pass from school on week My favorite thing remains. My favorite thing remains like walking through the city. It f And that's the thing of like what's different about this place is that I think there is something too, by the way. I don't know if I'm curious how you feel about this becausecause On some level, of course, there is a greater risk of being stopped and bothered and selfied and all that stuff But there's also, I think, something to the idea, especially before cell phones, where New York also knows when to not freaked out. Yeah So many so many people in the subway are like You know, And that's the coolest thing And the coolest thing is that I love signal like I especially on a crowded train, like on the one, It happens a lot to me on the one busier times when you're really like, you know that saying like you're in someone's armpit and then there' another it's unbelievable I I love it so much. That is when a lot of I'll have a lot of those exchangeroups If someone's quiet or leans into me and they're like, I see you, I know you, I was raised on you or you know, you got me through tough time or whatever it is. But I couldn't have those exchanges If I live differently and not saying that it's better, it's just what I like. Yeah because we're all crammed against each other and it feels like Yes, the coldness. I mean, this is the whole thing on the spectrum of like the coldness of New York is also when it's warm, it feels like it's never been warm.. It's because you know that New York can be very indoors and also extraordinarily outdoors. You cannot know your neighbors that you lived on the same floor with for four years And then you could be out on the street Again, celebrating a championship in a way that suddenly makes you feel closer than you've ever felt to a person before. I have to tell you, I put up a little free library. Oh yeah, my daughter loves to stop at any given, little free life. You're not near me, though, right? No No, but now that we know that there are free books A lot of times I don't have to replenish it because the whole neighborhood does. It's unbelievable. And bookstore down the street came like the day that I put it up and came and dropped a note and said, Can we leave all of our extra books here? I was like, sometometimes I'll see someone and I'll say, I'm about to bring more books out. Don't go. I've got some really good books and I'll bring them out and then people talk to me. and people have met through my little library, they've gone on dates They've made best friends. A dog walker told me a story of meeting somebody that now they have drinks together And I'm like, oh, that just happened ' you were walking down the street and then you started talking because we weren't in our cars gettinget from A to B. We had to step aside move around during the snow all this winter. I couldn't believe the amount of exchanges that were happening But it is like so cool. to have to see a grumpy person, you know mad about the sidewalk and then catch their eye and do a thing and then they get a little smile from them and then you see them Tuesday and you're like It's us again. Yes. It's us again. Now we know each other. So In seex in the city, of course, you are playing a character inspired by a columnist for a New York Observer Kandisush Kandis Bushhing. Yeah. And there's that part of it Your love of books as well in terms of just like the written word. it takes me to one of my favorite sports photographs. And I Maybe think you know what I'm referring to, but it's March of twenty fifteen And you have got One of your books to the Ranger game Yeah, I think that was a book about a ballet dancer. That book is written by a great writer, a woman Maggie Ships. Yes, Maggie Ships said, who's gone on to take great claim and included in consideration for some of the most important literary awards, like literally in the world. And this was a story about a ballet dancer. And I was at that game, that was a hockey game. That was a Rangers game. game with my son and maybe one other person. And that's the young Hanks fellow. Yes, that is Chet Hayes slash Hanks. Okay. Noted Jamaican That's right. Yes, That's right I thought that seemed like the perfect place to read Do you not think so? Your feet are up and you are loving this book. You are E to ear grinning. I might be laughing at something my son said. It's very possible. But I was happy like to me perfect combination because you're going to take the book to read on the subway to get to the place. and There are slow innings in baseball There are things where nothing happens and It's not like you can't look up. Well, the reality of what you are doing is you I'm not asking. But this is the defense I have of the subway t books should be allowed at boorting events is that you're gonna be on your phone So Ily that you're engaging with I have a book here that I'm going to web out when the action on the ice is slowing as a time out. O half time O halime. Yeah I think the question is, are you performing reading or are you actually reading? No I'm really reading now. And in fact, I have a book right here. I was reading while you were still working. else And your love of books. It's a funny place to bring a sports show Back around because one of the people that I reached out to who I happen to know in the small little world that is our planet is Maggie Shhipstead who agreed to leave for you this voice note Hey Pablo, it's Maggie Shhipstad. I am so happy to hear you're talking to Sarah Jessica Parker and please thank her for me for providing one of the all time most serendipitous and delightful book moments I've had in my career. I remember waking up that morning in twenty fifteen and haaving a text from a friend with a link to the photos saying Have you seen this I had not, you know, and it kind of built and built over the day. I kept getting Google alerts from websites that wouldd otherwise never be on like Us Weekly and Fox sports Um, and I mean, part of the charm is that she's reading my book in exactly the way you dream of someone reading your book. L she's laughing in one photo. and in another, she's kind of sucered, like hopefully with suspense Authors call called it Singorour Book in the Wild, and this was just the ultimate sighting of books in the Wild. and an iconic moment for people like myself who maybe read at sporting events sometimes. And what I couldn't have anticipated was that it would just live on and on. Probably two or three times a year, a sort of click bay social media account will repost one of the photos, especially after big orts events So people were kind of like, can you believe that Sarah Josica Parker was reading at the twenty twenty four NBA finals or the Super Bowl or something? And people send it to me saying, o my God, have you seen this? And I was sort of saying like, yeep, its It's eleven years old at this point So anyway, have a great conversation and all the best to both of you. I love her She really has an incredible career She has written three books, I've read all of them since then. herer books have been massively successful critically, but also in terms of the kind of attention they've received. It's been thrilling Great circle, astonish me, arrangements. I just love the idea that you bringing a book to a sporting event It's also inspired book clubs potentially to want to read. Well, I think when we all liked Wendby, Remember those days The early days, but he has Yeah, those burs. So I was like group He's a reader. He's always got a book with him I couldn't eclipse Eer something even a book club couldn't eclipse Action The decisions on the court. Gosh, man, oh man It has occurred to me as I was like revisiting as the younger brother to an older sister and a person grew up in the nineties It occurred to me that like in seects in the city, sports does come up times. You dated at one point in New York Yankees. Yeah Yeah. I think I throw up in his mouth. Yeah. Yeah That's just remmorying not from seeing it. No, I think that's right. I think that's right. Of course, Miranda, youforementioned Cynthia Nixon, Steve Just an all time massive sports iconic basketball fan. Right. Kith Halfcore shot, that whole episode. Randa was also sleeping at one point with her neighbor who was the N team doctor. Oh, that's right. I forgot that. The cheerleader subplot when she was jealous of the way does he flirt the cheerleader? then no, in fact, I feel like, see, I never remember the plot as well as everybody else because I haven't seen them The Rraand also separately dated a guy in LA who refused to take his next h. Is that right? Yeah, played by a friend of the show, Sam Cedar, which is fun. Oh, wow. That's Sam Cedar. Wow.. Wear in the hat. Cedar. Majority reports.. Majority reports. Wow. Air America Cedar. That's right. That's right. He was also on your show, which is in the way that I hope that everybody who goes through Hollywood at some point is a bit character Yes on laaw and orrder or seex in the S is definitely. And then of course the iconic And I think self explanatory plot of the guy who wouldn't have sex with Samantha unless the N one. Right And then Care has a line, which It's been sent to me Excuse me, but why is that on? and who is Marcus? Marcus can be kneed forward. Now that Ewing's been injured, he really needs to pull it out And when did we start caring about basketball on is obsessed. I don't get laid unless the Knicks win. And can I just say they and I have been on a very long losing streak? Well, that's awful. No kidding. The Knicks are the only ones that are getting screwed right now. on Why are you staying with him? Because the sex. All one I can remember it was unbelievable Yes, Yes I gotta go. Go, go, have sex. go Yeah I'm glad that they were worked into the script so we don't look like complete, you know bandwagon jumpers. I was going to say, if nothing else what you are responsible for, what this show is responsible for is the horniness that I have previously described. It is a coaching tree, a lineage, an heirloom, a tradition that you can chalice a chalice presented to us every. Patron saint of sex and this city. And the city. Wow. It's amazing that you put it all together. You wrapped that in an unbelievable bow that I was not expecting. though I should have King what I know about you, mostly really enjoying the fact that We have now become friends. Yeah, man So it's official. I was gonna say it was teeth at the beginning. We paid it off at the end. My friend Sarah Jessica. Oh my gosh It is a delight. to be at the table with someone whose voice. has traveled from my puberty to my cell phone now real life the best version. Such a big admirer, as you know, and I'll keep repeating it and I'll keep leaving you messages. I'll keep waiting to hear what you're going to share and what you've been working on and Always prize because That's the secret sauce of great investigative journalism is we don't know what people are working on. We know the stories of the day And then some extraordinary story unfolds in front of us and I live for it. Dare say And this is a bit of a tease. to end this episode I dare say that we may have a role for you in an upcoming episode. I dare say I've heard that rumor Sourceces as close to the situation. Y sourceces not revealed. Throw me in the clinker. I'm revealing my source This has been Pablo Torere F findinds out, a Meadalark media production And I'll talk to you next time