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See terms at casino dot draft Kings dot com slash promos ends july twenty second at eleven fifty nine PM Eastern time This episode is brought to you by Google Chrome. You think you know a browser, but Gemini and Chrome, that's new. It can help you with practically anything on the web, like restoring a vintage motorcycle from a fifty page restoration block, or finally break down that long article you've had open for weeks. Gemini and Chrome is here for it. Ready to make anything online makes sense? There's no place like Chrome. Check responssees set upp required compatibility and availability varies eighteen plus Greetings, listener here, I'm Tom. I' B. And I am Matthew and welcome to this very exciting episode of Pappy's Flatshare and it is exciting. It is and it is Pappy's Flatshare. We had a guest with us today in the corner of the seti, a bed seti we find out, but no spoilers here It was A. Am. You almost didn't do a spoiler on the name of the game Yeah. That's how committed to no spoilers you are. Well, Amy that was here, we discuss bed sofas, snogs, camden. There's a lot going on It's a real trip down memory Lane for all of us. Our memories go much, much further back than hers, but that's Something you'll discover as you listen to podcast. Absolutely If you enjoy what we put out please support us on patreon, patreonot com for slash Puppies Flashhare for four quid a month. you get bonus podcast every week, you get discount on live shows, you get the promise of a t shirt that never arrives, but mostly you get the warm feeling of supporting your boys. Y boys On their journey as we podcast to the grave. So please do hop on board and support our content. them You get this episode as well early or every episode early and ad free. Ely free And there's a seven day free trial happening. so if you want to just come on for seven days, see if you like it We'd love you to stick around after that, but no Yes. Okay. well we'll see you on the other side of this chat but enjoy it. It's Amyunette and Pappies. together. H we belong ere Is that going to be Dunas for the podcast? you a lovely self.s Yeah Yeah, I can tell that. Oh, it's somethinging Thank you. Does it fold out It does, yeah. yeah, it's one of those slide out a bit. hold it up. Side for bed. You can have one of them Yeah a dream. Yeah. Really, really uncomfortable to sleep on. Yeah, but not for you You sleep in your bed Sometimes Let's Let's not go down that room.'s right down that stream. No what I meant was sometimes like if like my parents will stay over We'll go we'll sleep on the sofa bed. 'ould you can have our bed Yeah ye ye massively. But not Meghgan's parents. They have to here. No We've done it for them as well. It's a real compromise isn't it with the sofa bed? because the sofa's never as comfy as a full sofa. the bed's not as comfy as a full bed. what's the answer? I would lean more because we've done the same. we've got a sof bed in our house and it's the shitttest sofa in the house and the worst bed. Yeah. So I think the answer is just go full sofa And stick the sofa cushions on the floor. I always think that is a much larger sleep. A really comfortable sofa which is where we fall asleep anyway. Yeah. Eactly. Yeah. So I'm a big fan of sofa cushions on the floor. stick a bed sheet over and off you go to sleep. And that's for you. That's what I say to my guest down. As we say this, I remember staying at your house Doing that and waking up just nowhere near the soface. How was the sheet still on? I have have no recollection. but in my sleeping bag I just like rolled myself into a corner. That thing they don't have any structural integrity, do they? There's nothing connecting them together. So the slightest movement and you're on shifting sands. Yes, but that's what the bed sheet is a nod to. If you get a good elasticated double sheet. A she is tight enough h a anle. Yeah, you're trying you're trying to corral things together Yeah And you brought your ownleep bag, did you I can't remember. What's going on there? No bedding available iff I think I think we're talking about a kid's sleepover, right? Are we talking about like Oh no this was a little while This was a little while back a while ago. But it was it was all very makeshift. Yeah I can't remember if I bought a sleeper bag or you supplied one for me. This feels like Natureouss way of telling you to not sleep in someone else's house Is Isn't it like? I mean, I didn't mind. I woke up I'd had a good night. sleep. I woke up but yeah, I just wasn't on this I wasn't on the thing I fell asleep on. It's nice to start soft. Yes, there are all. There are two types of kids, aren't there? or I guess there for people People who like to sleep at other people's houses and people who really don't Yes. Yeah. And it's as clear as that really. Yeah. And what do you do with that binary like What's that I mean, I guess The interesting thing is when Romeo and Juliet style, friendships are forged across those barricades, which happens quite a lot. I guess what happens is the friend who lik to sleep on people'ses has to go to the house. That's why I was always. But when you said Romeo and Juliet, I thought you meant, which was my loved experience that like having to awkwardly sleep on the floor next to someone is a great way to have a kiss. In younger days O course In younger days, you and nish aren't sleep on the floor together. Not currently. You lie on and we don'tiss anymore. Some sofap cushionsish goes, Oh, well, it's romance. Iite my cushch today boy? Yes in the end But no, I feel like when sort of sleepovers or like when you're slightly older and you're just, oh we're just gonna to fall asleep here. That was a great. Yeah. Maybe it's an English thing, but just you've got no confidence, but if you're just sort of like physically next to each other, God bless. And in the magic of the night as well. Absolutely. the darkness falls. Yeah, absolutely.' bet are off. Yeah Yeah. Good times, eh. It's a wonderful time, I was off in a reverry I went to another place. For me, my first kiss was lying down under the stage during youth clubs Me and this girl used to go and lie under the stage in the church hall. And it started with just like she was going lie like she was go lie under that stage for no reason at all. and just sk at the performers stage.. No U skirting didn't exist. It was a simplatory simplatory. the stage I'm not actually to draw a picture just brass rubbing Your idea to go lie under the stage or hers? Oh, I don't know It was mutually agreed. yeah. I love it because it's such a nonsense thing that clearly you to lie under a stage. Clearly you were all gonna to kiss. One of the grossest places to li to out say. In a church In a church hall. never been's just like dust and dirt and horror. And so are you lying like this or on your back? We're lying on our backs each Oh my God, look ats. Yeah yeah. And then and then occasionally one of you will be like up on the elbow. That's the next bit up on the elbow and you're like And then little kiss. Yeah, yeah aiming for the little kiss. ye, yeah. So what time of the day is this kiss? Quite early. It was youth club time, so probably about five o'clock six o'cl. the time is when you're under st stage.es Yeah any suandial.im Yeah I have no idea. But yeah, it really it's yeah, very chaste time, I think Well I chased her on to the stage. I was told an anecdote by An actor who had had full sex on stage at the national No No no. behind scenery. Behind scenery so not o ye. gosh. So like They would they were just like because you're in the run and you're you know obviously they were having like this affair or whatever and it was like, do you think we can get away with having sex during that change or they were on stage behind scenery? W Which one? which one are the nationalals? The Cotter slope? Yeah, The Littleton?oy It was only Littleton.. Obsessed in the performance within the round. twoo thirds of that audience got an absolute eye for. But muchuch better than whatever a play is. Oh yeah exactly It felt real. Oh my gosh. that's kind of horrible, right? Yeah. Yeah. ' I get it, the excitement of the moment, but in reality. Leave everyone out of your kinks, I think. This is it. My friend was in a West End production and she was the only woman in an all in otherwise all male cast. And she was like, oh yeah, we had this thing where like I would wear a little thing that they could control and they would give me little sort of buzzes during the show like a little And I was like, what is this story? Oh yeah, they would pass it around the rest of the cast. And I'd be on stage and I'd be like, of those sex egg. Yeah, like a sex seggy type Oh within herself. Within herself.. I thought it was just like sort of strapped to her back or something. No. It waser quest back. Sorry, I don't know why I was trying to spare everybody's blushes, It didn't make the story very clear. but no' isn't that so mad. She was telling it to me Isn't this a funny story? I'm like, I don't know, man I mean, if she's into it, God bless, but like, so how many men in this cast could just buzzing at any time. I don't want to reveal what the production was there' twelve anrys was l in that. Okay. Wow? Oh I've not made it because of my cushion for. Hiding my feet? Hiding the feet no for free. No No fe for free. No not giving away the feet. No No., But if you go to our Patreon, Just your toes? Yeah yeah. If you join a certainty, we'll tell you which one of Papley' is wearing the sex egg as well, whichope so You'll be able to dance be that would be o no We can't be reveal it's always. todayodays sex egg h'its me again. It's stuck up that. I'm ingested it. And also you're suggesting that there's only one. You'd have one each You wouldn't just share. That one I the sex egg. I thought it was a boiled one Yeah. I still get you going? Bb b? Oh, yeah, sure Yeah. Lovely. You're hungry for something That would be fun. Why't you guys get like the period stimulator simimulator? Oh yeah the tine Yeah ye, yeah. That feels likeess a less fun thing. Yeah. it depends which body part you strapping. Yeah. I never seen it strapped to a bee on the internet No you've gott to assume in real life many times. Yeah. I like the way that as soon as you introduce cameras in a sofa, it becomes that. You're like, we just wouldn't want to have a nice chat here but you're assing a strap of teens do dicks. to my mind, what the internet is is men having period pain that they've never had before. freakaking out and the ladies is like, But I've never seen it on a pane. No, that's very true. Have you Is it inaccurate I don't I don't know. I've done execution.. know, it stimulates your muscles. Yeah. But yeah, but really like I've had it I've done it test. Yeah becausecause it's pregnancy.'s prency. So you're supposed to have it you wear it to counteract crown yeah, the contractions. ye, yeah, yeah. And you counteract that pain with this pain. Oh It is that It's a bold strategy. And that is can I say the women's experience of It's like, you know what will put you you know, will distract you from that Yeah They electrocute you. Yeah. easier It's easier than having a child though too? Little electrocution. But you are also still having a child.'s like it doesn't stop it. Oh yeah. It's like, o, don't worry.'t think about this instead. Yeah. This is like the rest of your life now. Yeah yeah yeah. It's like if the pharmacist went, you can either have paracetem or, that works quite well or this hammer. You're like, Yeah I'll give for the paracetem Is that right? hammer. It's a sl hammer for you is it? me? There are two kinds of people. There two kinds people sleep over and people take the hammer. people take the ha the hammer That's just putting me to sleep for a little bit. That's true. Well it depends. A on the body part Yeah. It could really wake you up. Oh yeah, I don't want that. Wt be asleep. Have ever been knocked unconscious? No, but when I was a kid, me and my cousins used to hyperventilate and force ourselves to faint. Did you? And we loved it. To get that kind of that kind of h. My mumy, yeah, we loved it. To the point that it probably did cause them long term brasues. We never really same Would you take it in turns or go at the same time? We would take it in turns which suggests the level of health and safety that It' not then represented by what we were doing. But also we weren't really careful about where we did it because you had to press yourself up against the door to really get the lack of air. So we was just sort of full and there wass a big wardrobe. Anyway, we had a lovely time. It's a very different version of the CS Lewis book than I read. Yeah I don't want to give everyone the code we want to give encourage people to do this. You'reort cross your arms across your chest, pushing yourself up against the door to sort of contract your lungs and Experience a membership that backs what you're building with American Express Business Platinum two times membership rewards points per dollar on eligible purchases in key business categories as well as on each eligible purchase of five thousand dollars or more One up to two million dollars in eligible purchases per calendar year. American Express Business Platinum. There's nothing like it. Terms apply. Learn more at Americanexpress d. com slash businessash platinum. there' only one of other bits if I say it, we are just literally telling people to get out And then someone opens the door really quickly that's your Oh yeah that's yeah.'s Tie your head to the door and go and you pass out. Yeah, my cousins have just sort of beat me up. Yeah, they were so nice. Nice. No but I didn't realize that that wasn't more of a common childhood activity I remember people doing it at school. There was a lot of stuff like that wasn't there and like standing up quickly and that was that was like the weed thing. Theon slow back.act Yeah. Oh did risers. Risers there you go. It was like you'd like, you and Steve I were beginning to runise He used to find itnd. Ver It was a very amusing thing to watch. Yeah. it was like It was like you'd squat down. you'd like restrict your breathing thenen you'd like get a blowback and then oh I think It's like you get a blowback, then you like hold on to you'd go up some way holds your throat and go up the wall. Yeah. wh like breathe Steo would like have his hands round cllark hiss face and I'd be breathing into his mouth and thenoke you a bit. And then they push him up the wall get very giggly about it. Were you wereere you in a sort sadom maschistic relationship with Stevo By way, we took about Steven from Jrackass, right? Because it does sound like it's yeah. Tom Tom had the remote to Maya. Itn't ay of Musk. It was a national theatre production anyway. What are you doing just watching Yeah, ye yeah I was right. Yeah. I was tell you I was eating the pizza they'ad orderered. I was so hungry. I was so bus are doing that, I'd eat all their munchies. And weirdly you can't breathe. Yeah. You must suffocate yourself in a different way. Yeah It was a big old thing, wasn't it? Yeah. Well, that's so sexual. and you didn't discuss that at the time, I guess know It'd be weird to be like, justust FYI, we all know this is sexual, right? No, You just got to do it and then think about it later. Yeah You just gott to vuse on it when you suddenly remember was asleepover so All bets were off. Yeah, when it gets done I once got with a guy just because we were in the same pull out b Pull up bets. There we go. And it honestly was just like, well, we're here. Yeah as well. God bless. as well. I mean, he was a cute ofetu. it wasn't a shame for me, but it was like I honestly had not thought about it until weight as well. It's a greatight as well That was like there was a perarance. You earnless.. I just I'm getting incredibly nervous now. doesou feel really this feels bad. No, don't get your arm off me. This feels bad news. happily marriedcept no kids pulling out the bed sof far and just macking out. So there's a point where I keep bringing it back to the pullout sofa. I like guys, whenever I'm on a pull out sof, let's pull out the sofa and slide cllarky at the wall Do you want to move a song then? Yeah.ah, yeah yeah. Soven't got any tours coming up anything book three you all have such attractive wives. How did that occur? Let's go back to the pull out bed ye yeah.. We do have just have a. suchuch attractive wives. We just got really winning personalities. I guess so it must be that, eh No no, you're all so cute, but it's just like they are so fit. They're models, all three. Yeah, we've done we've done very well. honestly, on the way here, I was, I w want to talk about. I know I wantan to talk. fit wife. I think there was probably a time when they thought they were back in a really good horse. ye. Oh my god, twenty ten, twenty eleven, Edinburgh Yeah. So I've got another I well I think we've all got similar problems as well.'ot only they really fit, but they're also much more interesting than we are. So like if I go to parties now without my wife, the very first question I have is like is Jane here? is Jane coming? Yeah then I can see the disappointment in their eyes it's like it's just me now. Yeah. This is going be a bad sleepover So it's like it is a double whammy really Yeah. And she's so charming as well. Yeah, well exactly's like charming and fun and all that stuff. and then it's like ye I can't really replicate that. I actually I can strongly remember the first time I met her and she was living this cool life working in a Motorcycle cafe? H. I like coolestng woman I've ever met in my life. But I think the cafe makes it s like one of those caravans on the motorway in a late bar. Yeah, that's what I imagine.' something like hungry. sells strawberries in the summer. Yeah, you know what is. Yeah So When she was working there, they printed a birthday card for her of when she was at a party and like she's literally just like in like a bra and a pair of hot pants necking a bottle of prosecco, this birthday card and I kept it. And the other day we were in our shed and our children found it. and daughter just could not. Yeah get over the fact that that was then m and it was like, what are you doing here, Mum? Yeah Yeah Why have you got clothes on? But literally completely different like it's like, oh, this is a completely different world. Yeah for them to do that. But I think it's I think a good for them to see. I think a part of for them to see But I think a part of being a parent is you can't worry about, you know, like it's interesting when your kids spot that, but your kids kind of have to see their birth as year zero all existence. Yeah of course. You know I think I think you can't you can't force Hey. I was I got this other light I don't care. How do your children feel about the Beckham fireworks when you're really much the celebrity? Oh, they love that. They love that. But only because now they're old enough to do the announcements. I see. So it's's it's, you know, they're old enough to now to be the Nppo babies of the the Yeah ye yeah. So that I have actually seen them swinging around their VIP passes. Yeah they'rely there's a lot of that going on. Pushing fences open. Yeah. Well the kids going. Why is she doing that?? Why is she announcing that Katherine Wh? Why has she done that? Catherine whe? So I know it's Beckonham, but there's a proper fire. Wet all stood around as a gumpy. Next up, the Catherine wheel. Get closer, getet a lot closer. We said we wouldn't give full names of children on the podcast oright Yeah, no yeah,' that's abolutely that's the reason though. like I think anytime you get to be on the other side of the fence, you know, that's always exciting. wasasn't there a thing about Did your mind thing with the roolling stones. why imagine that? What's one? Is this? Katherine whereere? She She reckons. Yeah, she reckons she was chatted up by there we go, Mit Jagger. Now if she's saying that What's the real story? Joereamine. Yeah, I think was this what year was it When did this happen? This was what was the show that was pre Top of the pops? You'll know this. Oh. The old light Greay six five special or D time or so keen to get one of these ones. I'm trying Yeah I'd be desperate.ine I imagine if I got it Yeah It was something like O Wh whistle test was a good job. Yeah. and I couldn't believe I even remememberered. Yeah, yeah yeah. I' very young. I don't think it was old Grey Whistle Testk. Thank you But it was a great game. Polly Y Poy Yates. What She's in bed? The tube The big breakf was in bed, the tube was the show she this f. Is it helpful This So your mum sucked McGaggon.. Oh w. You were as sleepover of all things Oh my God. The pullout bed came out Even McJaggon there was a pull out bed. There was a point when it was gonna to be Charlie Wattson and Ronny Woods in the pull out bed. luckily Lou got in there first. So yeah, what's the story of your mum getting chatted up by? I think she'd She'd Be somewhere with a friend and a guy was like, I can get you tickets. to this to the show. She and then they they go quite regularly for a few records. So she read Yeah. So we talk like the mid sixties ay a liiking chain But also she had like signed albums and stuff. And then she threw them away when she became a born again Christian And so that to me It means there's a strong connection there. Yeah. I think so. I don't want to I think there is a message from Mick Jagger. keep something I' want. No. There I' wantu, but I just my hand has been forced where I pulled this story out of nowhere. No one knows where it came from. it'site good I think it's quite a person. We're talking about firework displays. suuddenly. You know how much Matthew's children love watching firework displays. about. Speaking of firework displays. That night your mum's swaring Mc Jagger was pretty spectacular, wasn't it Is that when you wrote on the episode of Sticky Fingers? It was Fireworks when you knnosed me offl somethingomet like that was it It's where you got the album title from isn't it? mean No no, no. Listen come on I was just thinking about parents' past lives. That's all I was going to ask I was going to ask the question about like you think you've show you know of years ero when you're born and then you find out about your parents' past li. Like I found out my dad once got so drunk that he walked over a car Blew my mind as like a kind of story. What do you mean he walked over a car? Like you walked over a car. That's it. went to back. Yeah. It'd be weird to go side. Oh that' how I saw it. How are you walking over a car? That's all is. The story was he jumped over a car. Yeah and that's like decid A you walking over a car? What route you take? J just asking the question. I want to imagine it. I want to imagine it too. And that blew your mind. Oh yeah incredibly. I must have been or it was like he walked over a car. And like he was drunk. My dad was like, my dad is drunk and it was like, what?? So like that's my equivalent of buffing Mc Jagger. What did your dad do to this car? to walk over it? I was no walkover, but I would say y So I'm just thinking about when you find out about your parents' past lies and then I remembered something about your mum and the roading show and then bdning off all the. Well is ever born again Christian? Yeah, yeah. And is just still in contact with me What about your parents' previous lives? I'm trying to well, my dad is American He's sort of lived the American dream in lots of ways. My dad was a teenager in the sixties in America in New York. so he did lead an amazing life. I mean, perfect time to be there. So he was very involved in the anti Vietnam warar protests. and at one point they went to John and Yoko's apartment No I've always imagined them in bed, but obviously they weren't I now realize, but they talked about like, but in my mind, just always in bed. Sofer bed. My dad sof bed. My dad. Hey guys com coming down the middle. They're famous sofap bed protestter. Yeah, they love sofa bed. It Jon probably actually. Itas the die. And so they so he was very involved in that and he he played trumpet and which he stopped playing. but before he did he played at the Harlem Apollo And my dad is w And his friend who was a trumpet player wasn't able to play. so he had to step in and he had to learn the dance to do behind the main guy And so and he had to sort of get all the clothes and prove himself at the Harlem Apollo. So yes, I to be honest, I've grown up with the idea that my life will never be as interesting as my parents Do you remember like what's the first Like where did you find that? like what's the first thing you found out about that Jhn I mean? Like Was you always playing the trumpet around the house? You know, Yeahah. I New York cab basically. Yeah I'm walking here over the car.' over the sky. Which wayough? Yeah that's based on him. thatinitely based on him. Like when you were growing up was he still cool or was he your dad? Oh no, D definitely my dad. And then did you what was the first cool or like thing you found out that was like, well, that's not I don't know. I mean like, it's that moment, isn't it where you go? Oh you were you were doing something much cooler. I do remember the first time you told us that he had done drugs and I couldn't not.'t I mean, of course, nineteen sixties, America, you're not doing a drug, you're in. You walked over a bus. What are you a cop? You know you used to get a riser up the wall. get a r. I They didn't need to do risers in Wilverhamptones. they didn't need to do riders in Wilverhampton because they were in New York City. So they just simply LSD in the streets. I don't know. actually. Was this part of your drug talk? Was that when he said he has told me never to do LSD for sure I don't know if he ever did it, but I think he saw a lot of people have terrible trips Y'all ever done anyS? No, no, no. it seems that was one of the ones that seemed really scary. Yeah, me too. Because of the sixties. Yeah. All those people. The koolid acid. Yeah, the electric coolid acid Yeah all of that kind of cap. thaty The good like that was, I guess maybe the early stuff so unregulated, but it was better, right? they were making it themselves. I don't know enough about drug. Yeah. I don't know. I'm so uncool compared to my dad Who did drugs with I don't know I think anyone else. Case in point? You you think of a cool bird? It's coolest person I' know. Bono.o. N even from the sixties. Oh No from the sixties. And it do you know He's from New York? Not from New York. Not from the sixties, any do we know notot famously a drugs guy as well. I think his drug is peace Yeahah, I was gonna to say being sanctimonious. peace Potat potato peace. pe. His drug is peace. Yeah, so I think I'm sure there was a moment where I realized my dad was cool, but I have always grown up with the idea. his friend, another friend couldn't do a thing, so he had to help them on a boat. and then the boat turned out to be the Joan Bayz Bob Dylan peeace boat going down the hudson.. And he was a boat hand on that. So In a way, he's like his old Forest Gumppl. Very Zeic. Yeah he's always lookingking up. neverever the main character, notulling the ropes in the back. But just doing doing the Trumpes back of that. the trrumpet was po old Jonhns try to have a kid.. Yeah. Oh inving all the actions. Pulling on. I'm really busy this week. Yeah But I think some of that is just where you are at the time, right? Like New York especially, but every generation of New Yorkers have a moment that's a few years where everything is happening. whereere they were in yeah, they were just hadoting Casablank. Yeah. And like Fran Lieibewitz there with Andy Warhol. you know, there's these like little pockets of people. There must be boring people in New York, though, right? There must be people who are just no, just say I was just there. I was just there. Yeah All of these, you know I was there in nineteen seventy six and I was like two blocks away from CBGBs but I never went No, but I was there in Camden. I grew up in London during like the Libertines era And loads of my friends were involved in that. Not me, Bab. No, I'm at home reading a book. Yeah. We probably better for me in the long run. Very much very much like a Lose story about Mick Jagger. Charlie has a story that she almost got off with Pete Dockerty. because she' very different to lose No veryer different because did They had full penetrated. On the cottterlow thing. She did,es She did And then she Christian because of the experience. She's so good. She's so good Honestly. She's. the Mahareishi she's so good. Listen, cut it out. You cut it out., cut it out. I cut it out We cut cut it.ut. Well cut it out. Go Go Geo block it. Geo block it in your area. Yeah Yeah I. Yeah. So your wife nearly got off with youritw fit wite that fit nearly off pitocry because her story is that she was at a party She left the party, Pete Dockerty arrived and she said, yeah, but I was always getting up for people in that era. I was like, I don't know if that's not. I don't that I don't mind. Do a gazillion percent. A gazillion percent. At that time in that world yeah. that's really good. Yeah. She absolutely. I was She was always going up with people. Yeah. I'd buy that. I buy that. It would have been yeah great. Well, I see her logic absolutely. logic is. You can't fot the logic. And was he Pete Dery of the moment? Yeah. So the only problem is competition competition. I had a few friends date U Johnny Berrell But it turned out that he was really dating everyone. and by day it was just sort of like amassing women. The boyed Johny,'s what the songs about isn't? Hm I don't I'm not across the music of the Razor light. No, it's a Libert song about Johny Borl.n' that isn't it the boy looked Jhnyn't about Jhny Rott Or this isn't about the boy who's looking at Johny Borrell? It's not about Johny Borl, it's about the boy looking at Johnny. Oh OkayK, rightight. that song is about Johnny Byll,'s all I know. I don't know any more than that B boy looking at Johnny Borll and all the girls around him trying to back off with him. Yeah ye ye yeah yeah. I had one friend who was dating a man who we would hang out with at various weathererspoons at Camden. party. We could have easily Bad mixer. Yeah. a really bad mixer It was The worst mixer. It was called the Mon under the That went up by Talk Farm And we would go to the Enterprise a lot and then we'd go to the Kbab shop marathon, which at after nighttime would have a dance floor in the back. Okay. And it was fantastic. Oh my Godd, did you take your kebab onto the danceop? Yeah. you' buy K kebab and then you could buy into the back. to buy if you've got a kbab. Oh big time Yeah. You have to buy something to get into the back. Kbab or drink aboutable drink. So you go in with your chipsoo And then you party party party, and of course, we were, let's say, sixteen, seventeen, AK a the most attractive you'll ever be to men who are forty two. So we were really kicking it on the streets of Camden. And one of our friends our d a guy and he was like, yeah, I'm really good friends with Pete. I'm really good friends with Pete. And we were like, Oh my God, I can't believe it. And then it turned out that he just sort of vaguely knew him. of course. But he kept being like, but'm I won't be here, I'm going to jail soon will like because I'm of cool Doty, blah blah blah. And it turned out he was defrauding the Starbucks that he worked on I'm going to jail soon girls. You won't see me soon. Was that Wolfman? Mbe. Was it local character Wolfman? Yeah just g. This guy would have killed to be Wolfman. He was just a man actor Starbucks. I reckon a lot of people pass themselves off as Wolfman back in that Of course no I am Wolf though. Yeah. O of course, the internet existed, of course it did, but not in the same way. No in you could easily say you were in around I could say I was in hot heat and never be like probably Yeah. ye ye I think that's yeah, you couldn't do that now. could you You couldn't walk into a bar and sound one of the young knives. Yeah couldnt do it. Yeah. I mean, I could. You absolutely could actually. You know one needs a red tie Yeah. Oh, but that was the day. That's it The indie sleeves? Yeah, yeah T shirt, tie over the top. Yeah ye, it's some kind of hat. It's some kind of obnoxious hat. Even though Indylees very much the music in the pubs the DJ' would all play scar Right I don't know what that was a weird dynamic. I guess they wouldn't play their own music Yeah So they played like various members of small smaller versions of the Libertines would DJ in various Camden pubs and you would attend Hoping to snog, Let's say Johny Brown. O course. And we would sit and sort of sit in the corner drinking our special case maybe that we'd brought from the news agent and snuck into the pub snuck into the pub. Yeah, well, because we were sixteen. We couldn't afford anything. you know twenty p on the bus, that's too much. forty p by that point. So then we're in there. We're drinking. We're having a lovely time. Considering everyone wearing skinnning jeans, were allort What do you call it? when you down the dis scar I don't know, was it wasn't a good scene. Non't it sound like No. it wasn't a good. It was terrible. Yeah. And of course the camden fringe was kicking off and we were R remember Cbdom Frid? Cam Fring? Yeahah of course. Yeah. same time as Baby Sam. Similar time around babyam. I think we'll be thereigg around. F or six terrible gigs and then and then go and see Dan andan and Aakroys. That was That was very much true. That was very much what would happen if you would do a b of gigs that were like, Oh, so the gigs in this The people know the gig's happening here. Yeah. Beuse we're about few sketches J just in the middle of a public There's no stage. There's no stage. Is there a PA system No No can' be a fridge b, but you you get a wrist band that will get you into a gig and. Were you in the flight? Tonight, you're see in L Ru. Yeah. Laouue, N. pretty good. Lau P Pretty good Laru. My God, yeah. What a timeide. And we're all like a couple of years t, this will be the Ediniburgh. This willll be like the Edinburgh Fest. Oh right. It didn't. It wasn't never had aore on the Camden frringe. But it would be a lot easier for us to get to. So you should have made it work. Yeah, we should have worked a little harder on the Camden fringe. Did you like when you go back to Camden now, do you feel because it's still an area I go back to and it feels very buzzy. Like it feels exciting even though it feels like it's not Really nothing exact s' happening there Yeah, I mean, the version of it that I knew has definitely changed, but I guess but the thing is now it's very developed Like all the slightly sczier bits have all been sort made into nice flack. Yeah ten bucks for a b p I always I'd never got on with Camden though it was always a bit more is a bit beyond me like and Camden Market The first time I aroundound it, I just thought Oh, what's this place? It's like I didn't like so but I understand like obviously if you'd have been there. But I was be I was behind it. But also I wasn't, I wasn't Like I around. I knew girls who were there very much live in the same place I wish I was I was in the kebab shop having a dance. want a lovely dance? That's it. When you can have chips in the dance. Oh in trying to know. The enterprise pub was shut and you'd walk two doors down and you'd go into marathon kebabs By a tin, Av a Kabab, have a little dance. Just the idea of that, like if someone says that's gonna be your Saturday night. wouldould you be like, o, amazing? or would you be like hundred percent agree. H hundred percent agree Yeah ye yeah. I actually not every Saturday But one big Saturday? Yeah. Your stacku ended up in Camden, that's what that was where. Yeah, yeah, we did. We had a great a great time a movie twenty thirteen. A movie based Yeah D. Very very good. ye. But the only time I go to Camden to see anything now is to go to the jazz cafe to see nearly down the Steed attribute band. That is my once a year pilgrimage to Camden. It's a good pilgrimage. And I'll go there and I'll go and see a Steed attribute band be the youngest person there in ever that's my trip to Camden. It's not you're not even actually go you don't even have to touch the high street. No. you can just A the truth there. Yeah, you know, you might see an Oodian cinema, that's fine.'s not notock upset for. Yeah, you could do in, but it does feel very be such a shit anecdote for your kids. When they've got their podcasts, it's like what did you find about your dad's former life? Yeahah, used to go watch Stinglely Dan tribute. life. Nearly down. Nearly Nearly down. I sometimes take my friends from a medic cart to cyberome You've ever been to Cyberdoc Oh, you gots got to go to aside. Syper dog is in like it's a Goth UV rave shop. Yeah I know it sounds beyond you, but I think it's very you And it's wonderful. It's one of those places that's never been in fashion. No no always existed. That always pp the thing the graphic equalizer on the t shirt all of that kind of c. so fun. so they've I mean, I hope they're still there. Last time I took a ph was a couple years ago down in the market and it's all there's a whole down seair section' in the dark because they' got glow the UV he And it's all that sort of oey gooey things and they sort of make spiky jackets and stuff. And you always end up buying a lighter because why not? You' smoked in ears, but why not? And it's just it speaks to a type of sweetness, a sincerity of that sort of like So it's like, nerdy punk culture that I really like. Rve culture, maybe I should say. It must do imagine doing like a full shift down there Yeah. they must be like pit ponies. If you get brought to the light. You you ask get shot. It's like Oh no. That's why they're wearing their goggles. They go blind. Yeah come up out of it I could get the bed you first know about pit ponies when you werere a kid I never I've literally just heard about them. Oh my God. You've just informed me. I used to cry myself to sleep for pon p ponies. We're much older than you. You to try and get off Johnny Brell. We used to cry about pit ponies. It's a generational today. They weren't a band. Yeah, they weren't' a good name foron were b? Yeah God. It is what the Chapel Road songs about though. poney yeoney ye Imagine coming out from. I'm gonna keep on crying. This is still light minded another assistant. They have to work until sundown so they can get home safely. Oh Tom, I think you're thinking about pit ponies way more than I realised. Oh man, the pit pony is brutal. There was a film or a show that dealt with it and I was like getet over it You know the things when you're a kid that like stick with you Yeah My momum was watching the Great Escape one Bank holiday And I came in for the last half an hour of it and I must have been about at seven and she let me watch it and I could not It took me three years to get over the gy goope I all get shot. You're fucking dying. Yeah. It's like a it for thirty minutes. As Yeahah, the journey of watching that film, I remember that as well. it does because you're like, this is so exciting. And it's like they're doing it, they're doing it And then they all die and it's like, what is That's the world is it? Yeah People do that to each other. and then the pit ponies come along at. It's fucking noising on. I can don't remember that cut of the great escape world the pit ponies. Okay we've lost Eve McQueen, but send the pit ponies have dig in the tundle. That was the worst escape plan And then once we get out the tunnel, we'll just ride these big pies into the world go You remember that scene when his Jumping over the fences with a pit pony. Yeah. What was your big fear as a kid though? Like what was your like did you have a th? about pipon? sorry But did you have one that like or a thing you saw and it's like that's what you think about in bed at night? Yeah, I remember sneaking downstairs and turning on the TV and watching something like maybe like a horror film, but the only but only remembering specific bits of it, not knowing enough I was watching. But then I was okay because I went upstairs and I read Adrian Moul Con the great right? Yeah, the great ye Yeah, yeah. For me, it was nuclear war. S acccess to a nuclear war Yeah. Yeah, that was a big one. Yeah thought nuclear war was gonna happen, whichich to be fair, not a bad fit to bring back, I'd say Not a bad fit to reignite. like sleep.les come back around. Get your skinny jeans out, get your shirt in your tie. and hide under under your desk because the music you were into, I guess was of the Cold War the cold You know, like the fifties and the sixties. I guess so but it was like the eighties was a big It was a big kind of cold war nuclear wartime. That seemed to be a big thing. That spectre was still hanging over us in. Did you ever go to Greenham Commons? It feels like something your family would No, no we weren't. Green when there was abab shop on the corner Dance floor Yeah. back like C. I was there, but I wasn't there. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah Yeah. were you taking no Romit of the world? I'd love to meet someone ow little kid to a secondakred degree in and common to be loads. Aby Clark's parents took. really? They used to go in minib bususes didn't My dad walked over one of those mini bususes I fuck you at all the women as you went. F. But Abby Clark, her parents got photos of them McGreen Common. And then like years later, her mum was like, Yeah, we just went to Clod of phhotos. Basically like she was like pre Instagram before there was Instagram. it was like Cad of photos.. Load of E LSD. Potos EllSie Bishb got off with Mick Tger. He was home by lunch, he was bright What scared you, Clark e? or like not or like it's so scarying. it's like with you. Yeah, it's like the thing that lodges in your brain. A actually really sad. Oh I don't think I talked about it before, but I saw like T seconds of D of the Drifids R. It was black and white. it was so it was such a watered down thing. It was on in the dayide plants aren't they. It's funny to look over and youre takeaking no your hat. Yeah I learn there's a moment ye Yeah Parry's capat comes off his head, you know, there's a ig. Yeahes I don'pt my caps to my own jokke Someone's got But yeah, I saw like thirty seconds of that. I was terrified for two years afterwards notot like it was like, someone on the floor, someomeone like off screen like pushing a pot plant across had like a scream and it was like Oh no what? You thought it'd put you off doom weed, but no. No get my revenge? Yeah, sm them out off to sm them up. Yeah any kind of horror type stuff. the War of the Worlds album was really scary and it had all these pictures on the these pages on the inside again of Triffids of what they called the The tripod things. Yeah. But yeah, yeah. all of that kind Yeah the red the red mists, the earth covered in like a kind of horrible red goo grimbo. What's the quQeen album with the robot on the front? G hits. theyt. Do you love horror? You make horror movies? I know, yeah. that's part of it, though, is it? Yeah I was so kind of scared and intrigued by it. Yeah And I wasn't allowed it. I wasn't allowed to be around Ver forbidden like your mom's past. The real horror. 're seven eleven's hottestyire chicken sandwich, people think you're intense. Well, yeah, I'm So yeah, intense. I wanna see if you can handle the heat. Then try me. withith pickles, or spicy mayo and jalapenos. Oh, and it's all just four dollars ninety nine. That's a deal almost as hot as I am. Almost! Sweet, No what? Spicy? See for yourself. four doars ninety nine c and only at seven eleven llow of the twenty thousand hundred forty six, participating store only one suppliedies lastass vits store for full terms. The real huror I also say he started a Ronin S senses tribute band at all things Try to wear it I shouldn delve into that. Why Why iss the guy sitting jumping Jack Blash crying You can't always get what you want Aice Yeah so for b Amy, thank you so much for coming on the show. Oh, I've loved to watch the clips and now to know I'm in a clip. I ex in a clip Wh Where could people find you? what have you got coming up? Well, I'm very online. not posting, just watching.ust watching. Yeah. If you't have the good mixer, you're just at home. I' at the good mixer. Yeahah I know where Joon Rell is now I'm not allowed to. I am going to Edinburgh. Oh for the festival for festival. Yes I'm doing the show. That's really the main thing. Oh, I'd love if anybody came. You've got such a lovely fan base. Oh my Godd. Oh yeah yeah, go and see. Some of the cutiest pudias may I say I very sweet. What's the show? What's it called? It's called Say What you L like About Me I'm gonna say it like that every day. And it's at five thirty and it's in the Pleasants Dome. Beautiful. And so you could have a lovely dinner after or a lovely late lunch, either way. Great love for you Fantastic. And then I'm doing a TV show that comes out Tuesday the twelfth of May with on you called The Way Out. and it's an escapees show. Yes. I saw that. h. And I haven't actually seen very much of it yet, so I am currently promoting it, but at some point I might just stop. shhut up because I'm worried that I'm going to really annoy the escape room community you know I'm not sure I'm very good at it. but I'm having a lovely time 's's the main. We don't go on these TV shows to be good at them. No No No. Just have a nice time. Yeah I had a lovely time. Great. who was in Belgium. And spoiler alert, you're here now, so presumably you escaped Out the frying pan to the fire is. this is it Yeah I need to let you know that you guys the other day on TikTok, you looked at my profile and it said Pappy's podcast looked at your profile Okay yeah and I didn't know that was a thing that happened anymore. I didn't realize that people were informed when you looked at their profile. So I just want to let you know that Yeah For your creepy bees, creepy creepes. And I just want to let you know that. The people out there the audience. If they follow you And you look at them They know I love. And Clucky? I little. We got to ra These are my few things. Iic. I gott to talk about their fit wives and I got to tell them I'm watching you cy on the internet. Yeah t be creepy about your fit wives and then I want to tell Your creepiness is showing. Yeah. that's okay Is any, you know, he could have been checking out the dates for your That's not what I'm promoting on myik doog by. Oh I see. No Just be. go. Just be. Just be really. But thank you for having me. What an honour to be here in the crevice. Yeah. You're welcome. Oh my God, with the guitars, I've seen them before. this wallpaper, even better in real life Oh. And you're all such lovely boys. And you're very love.it wives. C can't be overstated. Thank you. I can't be overvstated. You've got a fit part. I do ye yeah, but it's not surprising for me. Well, thank you for staying with us to the very end. Here we are. Again, if you like what we do, there's patrons supporters, but there's also Social media which you can do liking and retweeting on a person. Oh cute grandfather time. You can do liking and retweeting on Instagram TikTok f course YouTube. So go to all of those places and we'd love you to subscribe on all or follow us on all. That would be great. Listen, by the way, I've just got a message from Amyenette. And she's got a a a few caveats that she want Here we go. She wanted to say and