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We are on vacation this week, but we will have new shows every Monday or Monday Wednesday, Friday, Friday will be Dungeon of Dragons Wednesday will be Dingers only and today our boss Dave Portnoy joins us, which was an awesome awes interview that everyone should listen to. but Before we get to that we gott to talk some World Cup. Are we excited? knockout stage time, PFT We got a bracket That's all I care about And and getting a look at the bracket kicks ass. Yeahah, I'm excited. I still go back to what I thought like the second that we got scored on u by Turkey in the last minute donon't really care at all that we lost that game. Thatame I keep thinking about that game means less than nothing to us. And I actually liked what what Poach said after the game. He was just like, yeah, why are we acting like to in the world? That los means absolutely nothing. No one's going to remember what you did in that third game. We already advanced. first in her group I' pumped. I'm pumped. I don't think Belgium's that good. I'll say it Maybe I'm looking past Bosnia and or Herzegovinia I ins like gol. I love it And S You know what? Senegal is not bad either. So like you're going to have to beat good teams. So I guess we're going to find out if we're a good team. Did you Did you buy your plane ticket to San Francisco for Wednesday? I do have my plane ticket to San Francisco. I'm going in and out Wednesday flying out there Wednesday morning, flying out Wednesday night. Love it. loveve it. That's dedication. Yeah, it's so we had the third the third round or the third round of the group stage, which weve talked about at length that they changed the way that the tiebreakers work. So a lot of them didn't mean anything. but we did have the rare U the tie off between Algeria and Austria on Saturday night, which was Incredible theater because it was basically going into the game. if both teams tied or I mean if they tied each other, then they both advanced. If one of them won the game, then Iran would have gotten in. So there was no reason for either of them and it also added that if Algeria tied, they got the third seed, which would have been a better path than the second, which is against Spain And we had two goals in stoppage time because they didn't they broke the tie break. They they broke the tie pack that they were having It was incredible. That was very cool. And we also had Messi score another goal. I think that's seven World Cup games in a row. So he just keeps doing it. Ronaldo did absolutely nothing. It's been fun. It's been fun that the end of that game with Portugal and Colombia was bullshit to. We've got a lot of offsides discourse making its way back. I think that soccer is one sport that we can say The VAR It makes a lot of stuff worse The offsides on the VAR is so much worses like you've got a guy's cleat. poking out and they're calling that off sides Is it is it dumb for me to say? like this this is the simplest thing in the world to fix It's just your shoulders. That's what we think of for offsides, right But it's where it's where your shoulders are. That's where the human body is, if your shoulders are past the other dude' shoulders then that's off sides. And if not, then you're on side. it seems very, very simple to fix But that was that was bullshit. Colombia got absolutely hosed. I think the fixes in It was the to S Ronaldo. Yeah, it was it was a to it was there was the second best off VAR offsides We like a few years ago, we had Lukaku had his his dick was off sides. literally just his penis and and they showed the shield. The shield technology is cool. That makes it feels like it was made for dummies like us. We're like, Ohh yeah, look at that shield right there. Oh yeah, look his toees past it But yeah, Ronaldo's I mean He's an absolute bump. I think we can all agree, right, Zach I would say I disagree with the offsize call with the pinky toe. but we're throwing around bum it's just kind of, you know, that you can't that's not true M. He So the port to you have to like Dum it down and say pinky toe. It was just like Just like Te. I mean, Listen. I think we can all agree that Ronaldo is washed up and that he should not have been he should not be advancing to the bre the knockout stage. But to diminish the nature of the toe off size, I think was a little childishack I will say yeah he I don't know about if anyone's less deserving than anyone else to to advance, but the free kid going straight to the keeper didn't look the best. You don't want to see that. likeike that's like Yeah Yeah He So Portugal in the group stage had they used twenty two different players. They rotated everyone on the team. Everyone took a break, except Ronaldo The forty one year old who demands that he plays every single minute And he's back. he's back. Zach, are you If they if Ronaldo loses and plays the way he's been playing in the first round of the knockout stage, will the I'm back I'm back against Uzbekistan be one of the funniest clips in history I will say in that game, he was so double back though You know, in a vacuum that game he was back. I will say I got to take a tough look. D Today I clicked on one Ronaldo Sander post and I just got force fed them And I was just peppering Zach with them. The Ihow speed jumps over Ronaldo clip where it's just, it's perfectly set up where I show speeds like, right, I'm going to do it. I'm gonna do it. I'm doing. Th then he jumps over a trash can. Oh Just chehef's kiss. perfect insane vertical from speed Yeah, the uh The funniest story I thought of the weekend with the World Cup was what happened with Uruguay So yourugu they got eliminated They were in a very, very easy group. you a traditionally, you know, pretty good country, pretty good soccer country. They get eliminated and then at the end of the game They just go fucking nuts. They just start fouling everybody. They start tackling from behind. They've got this dude with a man bun that's like attacking the referee who's giving them red cards and kicking him out. The referee actually like squared up with a dude from Urguay for a second. was like, let's fucking go. I thought that they were going to fight U So after all this happens with Uruguay They cancel their private charter flight home And they say, you guys figure out how to get back to Uruguay on your own. You're disgrac to the country. You don't deserve to have a private flight home Good luck, Godspeed We'll see in four years. I love that. I love the account. You know what? That should be like that's the real test of whether or not a country deserves to advance to the knockout stage. If they care that much about soccer. that they actually take away their flight home. Yeah Pe just step in and be like, all right, you know what? we reserve one extra spot. We didn't tell anybody there's one extra spot. You guys earn the I truly love soccer spot and the knockout bracket. I So my my funniest story from this weekend was And we're going to get to it with Dave, the rise of barstool in the history of Barstool. I call this the barstoolification of regular media. Did you guys see this woman this reporter in LA, ABC seven in Los Angeles, Abigail Vaes She at the watch party when we lost to turkey, she went on a rant and she said The next round team USA will play Bosnia next Wednesday and one thing about Bosnia. I could not point out where it is on a map. I don't know the first thing about Bosnia. I don't want to know because team USA, we're back. We're better than ever She then had to issue an apology and get like she was chastised and run through the gutter by the media. And I'm like, we have said farar, far worse on this show every single episode. I stand with you, Abigail I don't know where the fuck Boszy is on a map She kind of forgot where she was like like like in the second. I know where it is only because it's the country that gets ocean cucked by Croatia. So Cia. Yeah. I know It's the sea that goes around Bosnia that's like Bosnia is the pearl inside the hand. Yeah. General area. Listen, if not knowing where a country is on a map J just watch drop a pin Donny and Uncle Chaps going around the office. They would have the entire Barstal office in jail I don't think anyone gets any of these right. But yeah, it was just ye. I felt so bad She she got she got swept up in the moment. She was just talking a little shit. Yeah, she forgot like where she was and what airwaves. she was this wasn't like like an Instagram live thing that she was doing U And she probably does have some Bosnie and people that want she's LA, right? Yeah Yes, there's probably some Bosnian people in LA. they got upset about it. It's like, well, whatever Bosnia like do that's why we play the game Yeah yeah win and and then you can have respect But until that happens, think about Bosnia The On thing I know about them is that they rotate who their president is every eight months. And that's kind of cool. Yeah, which I actually don't hate that idea. It's just like they all suck. so let's just keep them keep them going in and out. What's going on with hererzer Gavania It feels like every time someone says it, they half the time they they just forget to add to her herzavania. It's like not fair Great question. Yeah. Yeah, I think I was actually gonna I was gonna kick that one to Hank. But it's bullshit No that's the reason you were making fun of me is because I was like, Bosnia whatever and you're like, Oh, Azegovania. How do you know Hzeovania? But then anyt time anyone talks about it, they just say Bosnia. Yeah, they Herzegovania is just getting slept on. I You know what? Yeah? I'm personally playing Herzegovania on Wednesday. Yeah. Fuck Bosnia. notot to Abigail Villz wayay But like fuckem, I'm just going against Herzegovania. I justerzegovania. You guys Bosnia. Yeah. choose one Again, I I'm doing this out of respect for the Italians They knocked the Italians out It's not right that Italy iss not in the World Cup for like the fifth consecutive time. Wait who not the Italian you did. Bosnia that's what I'm say Herzegovania was alive. Yeah, ye, that's what I'm saying. So Max, we got you, dude. We got five consecutive times. It's bullshit. you just keep saying Bosnia. What about Herzegvania? It's herz B and H What about it? I like when they abbreviate, it looks like it just says bit. That big good. You're not respect you're not respecting Herzegovania I do respect Herzeovvenia. I'm just saying I respect Italy and I want to have their backmax. So I respect for you. This is this is what the United States is going to do Italy won a World Cup in our lifetime Yeah long time ago. So As twenty years ago hang a banner and penalty did Yeah because because you guys win a World Cup because you're you're star I'm American but I also feel your support so vulgar that he made Zenidin on lose his mind and head butut you. I'm looking up her Gavanion right now What's that Max? I was going to say, I don't think I could name one player on that Italy team, but I'm pretty sure Bouuffan was the goalkeeper. Yeah, I think he was ab not. I think his Madarazzi. he said He said, Sedan Your sisters in Algerian hore And then done threw a head butt into his chest and got a red card I remember watching him walk off buy the trophy to that u to You know to the locker room. All right, Herzgovania, the biggest the biggest city in Herzegovania is most star. That's kind of cool Mostar. What's going on in Mostar most like it's like it's like we're World sorry for Yugoslavia. Yeah, it looks kind of cool All right, mostost stars Coat of arms cool too All right, I got no problem with Mosnia or hererzegovenia I'm going Well, you do have a problem with herurers Gavvania because you haven't mentioned them on. So I'm going I'm respecting herers Gavvania That's what I'm doing. I'd say fuckking both Hank you Yeah you Hank, how are you are you how are you feeling about? Oh, by the way, shout out Canada. They were the first team to win in the knockout stage against South Africa. are I had a thought this if we're just going to go down this road of maybe offending different countries, whatever and is every every Canadian Soccer player just wishes they were a hockey player, right Oh, one hundred percent, Yeah. Yeah. All right. that's not that's not offensive. Like I was just like, I was pumped for him like, that's cool. I kind of want to see, you know, Ken is our friend Oie, shout out Oie, shut up his But yeah, the whole time like they are they just kicking the ball around being like, fuck, I wish I I wish I was just a little bit better skating backwards I think no before every game they're like I hope they take the hose out there and just wet it down. makeake it make it a little soupy for us. They definitely you a million percent do hope that you become a hockey player even if you're really, really good at soccer, you like that you treat that with shame. You hide that from people Like you your dad walks in the backyard and he sees you like juggling a soccerball. He's like what the fuck is this? What are you doing Hank America though, that's not the case in America. our soccer players are No, it definitely isn in America too. No, America is just the same but for football or basketball or baseball. 's more It's just more because there's one sport in Canada. Also, Canada shouldn't have been wearing They should do we talked about this. We went on Men and Blazers post game on Thursday night, PFD andight and we had some gripes about the World Cup, which a bunch of them we said, but The The NBA City connect of the world of the World Cup is bullshit. L Germany was wearing like Miami dolphins jerseys and then Canada wearing all black, likeike give me some red. What are we doing? You got to wear your you gott to wear the regular like this is the color of our country. That's what has to be worn in the World Cup Yeah, I do think that we're going to just completely forget those blue uniforms that we wore on Friday. We're not We should never wear those. just wear the wear the red and white American flag stripes. That's true America's uniform. Canada should have like primary red, maybe like a maple leaf on it. You know their coach is an American for Canada. he He's a guy from the United States, Jesse Marsh We wanted him. We didn't get him We got poached and now it sounds like we're going to offer poach a four year extension. Let's go. We don't want to let we got we were you got to make him say no And we're not don't let him out of the country Did you see they were he makes the boys run? we ran the most u miles in the first in the group stage. out of any country. I love that. Yeah, we're just That's that defense. That' a defense Soax I think that's bad, right? Well, no, it's probably good that B just like he's a dog But it is to be right Yeah. It's not. It's not bad. It's not bad. No. No, this is this is good shit. That's what we do. I told you it was Tibbs, right? He's soccer Tibbs And you just got one tournament to play with the se like a last season. Y left and they want and they won a championship Max, you're not listen to me. Tay, Tip Tips problem was He coaches he coaches the entire regular season like it's the playoffs That's fine if the entire regular season is the playoffs, which is what the World Cup is. He just did regular season. He did the group stage like the group stage was regular season, especially the third game that meant nothing and he was coaching to like the playoffs Well, ye, he was coaching the third game with like nine backups in like it was a player but that'sage play Yeah, yeah, because he wanted to win. I think het want to get Pool like a little run out there. So he like what he doing whichich I like. I think that's good for like a World Cup what are we talking about? It's like eight games, eight games coachhing balls to the wall. I think it's if you have the athletes to do it. It's good. I tried to describe what he was doing like turbo big ten football Like on the kickoffs, if you watch everything that we've done in the history of the U. S. soccer program All you have to do is look at the kickoffs and how we've changed in the last two years to show what Pach is doing. So on our kickoffs, we would always like pass the ball, pass it back, retain possession because our mentality was always, we can't lose the game if they don't have the ball They can't score if they don't have the ball. So we're just going to kick it around back here. and then maybe if we see something juicy downfield, we'll boot it the fuck down there and we'll try to run ono and get a good chance. That's what we've done for forty years in this country Now with poach, every kickoff we have firstirst thing we do, we cough and corner. We send it deead to the corner. We try to pin them in the last like five yards. so they have a throw in because We figured out that it's better, it's more advantageous for them to have the ball in their defending third while we put press on them than it is for us to have the ball in our defending third. likeike that that makes you closer to a goal because if you can turn it over and their third, then you're like two passes away from scoring a goal. Would we do it on the first kickoff against Turkey? The fucking ball hit the corner flag and settled in it was like the perfect Tory Taylor Coff and corner punt that we started So yes, we're going to run more because We're playing swarming defense the entire time. That's the entire premise of our team is they get the ball in the first four seconds, get a fucking turnover because that's when you can score Right, but we did say we started the show saying that Coach said that he didn't care about winning that game and that game doesn't matter, but then he coached like it matters Well, yeah, because that's the system that you play. likeike ye, it doesn't matter if we have our backups doing that and they're not as good and we lose. That's true. That doesn't matter. Like not like different Wet want Poolsish to play. I did not, but I'm also a loser because I got in the back of my head ghosts of Robert Griffin the third. going out there when he shouldn't be out there and his knee tearing into like pulled pork So yeah, I did not want him to play, but he did and like I got I am zero percent concerned with what happened with Turkey. That has No effect on on how optimistic I am moving forward. What does have a small effect is like maybe having to play against Belgium and then Spain. But like I said, if you're going if you're going to be a good team, you have to be good teams at some point. That was remember we talked about it a few weeks or was one week ago When everyone was like, look at our path and it's like no one, no group has finished. I think every single favorite won their group So it' like we're always going to have to play really good teams. I'm ready for the challenge. I feel bad for those countries. I feel bad for Bosnia and Herzegovania. I feel bad for Belgium and Senegal. I feel bad for Spain and whoever the fuck they have to play They're all going to get a whoop Portugal probably. That's. I would love I would love to play Ronalda Zach Zach, who are you going to root for if it comes down to USA versus Spain in the quarter finals Portu Yeahah, sorry USA vers Portugo in the quarter fininals Z. Oh the United States is' a country manen. yeah, deffinitely. As it Hank what do you think about anything? Do you have any thoughts on Girl's Cup No Cpe Verdy I'm all on Cpe Verdie undergog story. Yeah. Maybe not all in. What happened? trer over here? No, no, no, might be happened. There might There might have been an incident. Best player Just look up on Twitter. The best player might have been alleged to rape a translator. Oh Yeah M So maybe's all the way O of one of my best friends growing up is Cape Birdian like grew around him and his family, like they're all, you know, very proud, Cape Birdian. so I was like happy for him and his family like Yeah, It's a crazy story, suuper small island like again, like I I'm just saying this because I grew up Yeah, that that You listen material change. It just you picked one te Yeah Oh Do we want to do do we want to pick a winner right now that we have we have a bracket U you can bet on all that on draft Kings draft Kings win or go home. 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We did the What's the thing we're doing King of the cup And u mee Zach and I have Spain. So we have Spain is our pick. Who do you Croatia? We have Croatia. Okay Love Croatia. US thirty to one. Why not? Why not us with the nine best odds Hm. England oh, England maybe having to play Mexico in Mexico would be electric. Yes. So that's the other thing about Canada is because they they finished, I think second of the group they don't have any more games in Canada. So they have to play the rest of the time in the United States But yeah, England against Mexico at that altitudes England has looked pretty bad U reallyally bad outside of like a couple couple lucky efforts that they've had. I like u I mean, France is chalk, but I like France a lot. I also think that Brazil is going to to the final four Yeah All right, well go b it right now on Draft Kings. All right, other stories Phil Michkelson What could we say about Pil? Phil Tracker is staying steadfast in his defense of Phil Nichelson So There was an article that came out on Friday. Alen Schhipniick wrote an extensive article about Phil Michkelson basically getting kicked out of two other clubs and making advances on people The craziest story from the whole thing was that Phil was paying a kid in the in in one of his golf clubs five hundred bucks to drive around with his phone, drive the whole course. So that because his wife was tracking him on his phone and she could see like, oh, he's going to, you know, hole seven here A Yeah, it was a crazy story. Phil feels like feels like things aren't going well for Phil right now Walls might be closing in on Phil a little bit. It wasn't just the kid. it was like, Everybody at that club members su. He was known for going up to them and just being like, Hey, I'm just going to leave my phone in your cart for a couple of hours. Hope that's cool. I thought the craziest part was him hanging out with Pat Perez and his wife. And then Paparez gets up to go to the bathroom And then Phil just takes out his phone allegedly and shows it to Papereza's wife. And it's just a picture of Phil naked with a boner I think they said, like, was he flexing or smiling H' flexing one arm and then holding his boner with so I surprised he was flexing. He's a flop guy, That's what we know about him. But he showed it to her and then Paperez comes back from the bathroom and he just acts like nothing happened embrace debate. Is that cool likeike to show your buddy's wife a picture of your're dick, if you're flexing. I'd say no. I'd say not cool. That's not a proro move. Also makes me uncomfortable the fact that like Phil definitely like had multiple pictures like that and he's like he had to go through and be like, all right, which one is the best? Which one is my show show my friend's wife at the dinner table picture. That's the primo Boner flex picture that he had. Ready to you think he had a favorite it on his like picture so he could pull it up real quick Yes. Yes. one hundred percent. for sure And it like he definitely went through others like get he went through a face to get the angle right to. Yeah Yeah he did not long with that Yeah, ye, you probably speent a couple hours like doing portraits flexing That's just such a that's just such a pose. like Fleck Flexing, holding your dick It's crazy for everybody in that picture. Yeah, it's crazy. The story was nuts. I don't know how much of it's true, but it seemed like, you know, there was some extensive reporting on it Feels like Phil has maybe burned a few too many bridges at this point of his career And then yeah, it reminded me of the fact that the PGA tour went out of their way to say that all the guys coming back from live, like there will be exceptions made for people and they they went out of their way to exclude Phil from falling under that category when they said like you have to be a major champion twenty twenty two or more recently which was directly because of Phil. So I feel like the rumors have been out there for a while and now Something happened. He didn't pay off the right guy And and people are talking. I guess the only u there's no spin zone or like if any of this is true. It's not like defending Phil, but I would say that the the the one thing that popped in my head was like as fierce as fierce rivals could get. Phil and Tiger probably would have a good time hanging out with each other at this point, right? Like they might be heing you guys they have left Yeah, it's me It's just the two of them. M mayaybe Phil like saw what Tiger was doing off the course and then he said like to get To be able to beat Tiger, I have to act like Tiger. So then he became like Yeah, he's like if if you're going to if you want to commit to it, Pil, you have to commit to it fully. and that's like to deal with the devil that he made to start winning majors. Yeah, But yeah, it's it's crazy the two of our the two the two of our like, u childildhood golf stars have kind of ended up in similar spots. Yeah, I mean, there's just no way that was kind of my thought too is like there's no way that the stars of current like this is not coming out in twenty years. like they Scotty They Fill and Tiger. worth you know, the best of the best and they were just absolutely insane while doing it. But they were still like everyone loved them. It's like, Yeahah Phil and Tiger, like literally like the two favorite everyone's favorite people. Yes. It was Phil Ter for a lot of those years it's the funniest possible sport to have the two best in the world be complete and utter scumbag perverts. Yeah. likeike you would not think that about golf either Now I do. Now I do think that about golf because they've like almost branded it that way They've shaped the game forever Mm. Yeah, exxcept for our guys Yeah, no our guys are good guys. Listen Our guys are good guys Fucking good guys They dy didn. Do you think it has What you say? As was you say, do you think it has anything to do with like The nature of golf is all about being a gentleman. E every single thing about the sport You have to be polite, you wear a tucked in shirt, you wear your belt, you wear a polo shirt, you're not allowed to smash lockers. Everything about the sport is rooted in like being very polite and almost uptight Do you think that that it represses you And so then if you're really good at the sport, then it makes you more likely to just go fucking buck wild when you're not playing golf. Yeah. I shout out, hey sh out You gre up in in like a repressive household You're going to be that guy that ends up acting out when you get out. Yeah, when you get cool. Yeah, when you get cool and have money. Shout out our good friend Brooks though because did you see this made me laugh? I was scrolling Instagram earlier today and his lovely wife, Jenna Sims had a Instagram reel that I had like a video of their house and it says thingsings I did things I do to afford a home in Portugal And then it just pans to Brooks and says him That's a good viewer. That's good ver. Yeah. I was. Good shit right there. I laughed out loud when I saw that. Um, Okaykay, what else? Oh, uh Graceason Allen is a hornet The hornets now just are like, hey, you know what? We're going to sell tickets by getting Duke and UNC. We resigned Kobe White And we're going to get Grace Allen And that's how we're going to get some, you know, we're going we're going to sell tickets Honestly, not a bad idea. Yeah. Oh they don't. I don't hate the idea. Like imagine if Philly had done that with Villanova Yeah They would have won a title That would have been nice. Although they they did they did have like a very good fun year and then they were just like, yeah, let's blow it all up. U Right What else what else did you guys see? Oh It weighs Michael Block in every tournament Hank. This guy Seniour. He's senior tour. No, was he playing Travelers though? No. Oh, these were just clips that I saw bllocky being blocky He's he just turned fifty so he can play in senior tour events. John Daley also was like he he shot like eight under on on Friday and was like leading the tournament at one point. So I was like there was some senior tour V Buz yeah Block party, dude, he's I did see that clip And I was like, I checked the leaderboard and like he wasn't even I mean, he finished like seven. But I was like thought it was like He won the tournament I that's electr. It's like Michael Block hits hits a ship within two feet and then does a fortnite dance And and it's the Chris Paul meme like hits a three to cut the lead to fifty That's just I got to think Bock is going to play every Champions tour event. Like he's going to just be full time people people people hate on bllock. I don't get the hate I I got no problem with him, man he He's a hilarious guy He just kept popping up and I was like, what's going on here? I thought it was my fault because I thought it was travelers. I was like, how did he get into the travelers? That was more why I was asking. Yeah I was like how the fuck is he just getting exemptions into these tournaments? Okay. So he's just going to be playing that, which listen, if you could compete in that, it's probably so much fun Yeah. There's one guy who wins all of them, right The German guy was he wins all of them Uh yeah, he's he's old now though Was it Langer? Yeah, I think it was Bernard Langer. yeahah.. ye He was just dominating every single time. Phil played one event that won. Like like one by like ten and then start to live. Yeah And he was like, I'm not doing. He's like, I'm Senior toours not it U lastast thing I have before we do who's backack memes, I know you're a winner now There were two clips this week that were just LOL Mets that we should probably address. Would you like to address them Which ones? Well, the first was when the Mets were playing the Cubs and the Cubs hit a home run and then it was like panned to just all that one was not, that was just time and place, whatever, Norway just rowing. That was just more funny. That wasn't really the M's fault. Carlos Mendoza gets fired as a Met's manager and they're doing an on field report talking about it for like what SNY And mister Mett is just like doing the duggie behind the reporter while he's talking about the Carlos M getting fired Listen, Mr. Mets just trying to have a good time Congratul on the wildcard, Max. Thanks. You too. Thank you. Appreciate that you ask guys on the wild cards. Max, I got a question for you. You did started to start You started that Well, you started did. I did. Yes. correct. like it whate. I like the trend. It's a good thing we got going. Yeah It's a good way to I know what the standings are. I know I got a question for you, Max Is this something that I just forgotten about Bryce Harper or Is this like a new thing that's come to light publicly that when he flips people off, he flips with his ring finger. No It had nothing to do with flipping anyone off It w. but He He clarified that he flashes ring finger at the fans who were chanting expletives at him and right field, not his middle finger. And then it was a pictures to win a ring this year Oh because he wants to get a ring. Yeah. that's someh worse' we're focused on getting a ring this year. Wait That's I thought you were going to say like because is he is Pice Mormon? Mormon. Yeah I thought you were going to say something like, you know, he's Mormon. He doesn't want to, you know, it's a kids, you know, they they're heroes to kids. Yeah. That would have been f like lame but fine He's doing it because he wants to win a ring this year. The goal is to win a ring. the focus is on winning a ring. so everyone to just going like this? Yeah, we gotta remind everyone. I mean, he's Bryce is on fire right now He's literally on far. L far. It's just The funny part was it was against the Nats and yeah, I know that our Bllpin stinks and Bryce Well you lost three games when to give a fifteen runs and three games in the ninth inning Yeah, I know percent chance of winning all three of those games. or open to him. it was a he said M in the bullped I said, I said that Max We've got I think twenty four blown saves this year and no other team has more than sixteen. Yeah. I know it's a terrible, but we're still like a year and a half, two years ahead of schedule. We can fix a b a had to say. it was a historic three games. It does it does suck. And yes the Phillies actually max The Natets were up five nothing against the Phillies and I texted you and the entire group Congrats on scoring a million runs in the ninth inning later on and winning this game And then you guys w ten to five after scoring five runs in the ninth inning like an hour later. So I know. I know how bad But the weird thing was it was a game with Bryce against the Nnats And he flips him off with the ring finger and Bryce left DC and then the year after he left we got a ring That's what I was so confused about rememember when you were giving me shit about talking about Italy winning a ring like twenty years ago Mhm. Yeah Who cares? Well Bryice does because he goes like this Yeah, he cares about now. He's talking about the future. You're talking about the past. We're talking about cs. The future The past is for cowards and losers. Mike Dick I just I honestly didn't know the story behind the rings, so I want to ask. Thank you for Yeah, that's what we do I appreciate. I appreciate you asking PFD because Nike. I'm not to you know what? We' on vacation this week. Max's about to get married I'm not gonna judge I'm gonna hold on jo before we get. M back. That's what you're doing this week right here, Max. One of these Max. Get it, dude. bring on it You should be all in fucking locked in on getting that ring Max Where's your ring I took it off this week because I What? I felt weird seeeeing everyone being like, oh, welcome, welcome to the wedding. I'm already wearing a wedding ring. So I'm like that makes sense. Yeah ye ye U Okay, let's do who's backack the week Th we get to Mount Rushbore Dave Zach topop Who's backack the weeek is brought to you by Twisted Tea Summers here and so is the Tisted Tea summer party pack. Swissed teas is a refreshing hard ed tea made with real brew tea and five percent alcohol. They also have a new summer party pack Brand new twisted lemonade That's you got to be having a twisted lemonade fourth of July weekend. It's a refreshing hard lemonade made with real lemons. It's only available in their new party pack. 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I don't know of these guys better than me on both ends. Wh does he work for H. So Jamen Brown, I want I just want I want I know it still might not happen, but I Jian Brown is going to be on a revenge tour this year and I want him on the Celtics. Okay. ye. I can You Go ahead P No no I was just going to say if that analytics person actually does work for an NBA team I guarantee you that his team sucks. Yeah. like nobody can be that dumb to think that Jalen but then then the guy that that made that comment clarified and said, like Yeahet That's crazy that the analytics guysy said this That was kind of the whole point of him saying it, but when you isolate it and you just turn into that one quote thenen it looks like everyone's talking shit about Jylen Browninning reality. I thought it was more that guy saying this one analytics guy is so stupid that he said that Dan Is there a chance that you and Jalen Brown are way overreacting because he was this guy was actually talking about team USA, a team that Jalen Brown didn't make the roster. So saying he's the seventh best player on team USA would actually mean that he has Jalen Brown ranked higher than everyone else Was it about Team USA? I don't know you're going to have to do some more. I don't know couldould be who's to if team you say That's a completely that's that was my point. Like if you're saying seventh player in the NBA, like that's one thing But he didn't make team USA. So maybe he was like, dude, he should have been the seventh best player on T team US. So I mean, that that's clear they would have said that because that's that's a non story. If they're talking about team USA, that's just that's up for debate. obbviously, those guys are the best players in the league If people want to rank them, you know, fourth, seventh, tenth, whatever That would be a non story. Well unranked right now for Joan Brown. Right he wasn't on the rost. Do you ever? Do you ever worry that like maybe Jayen Brown just needs to like go like enjoy life somewhere Like just go be happy and take a break from the internet He seems locked in on what all the haters are saying about him at all times. Coming from you and Big cat. like what are you man? I was trying to defend Ja Brown. Like I am too. I think he's a great player. consist listen to everyone. Are you on the internet every day? Y I'm having a great time. Y job is't to dream join Pa, dude with our right hand only I think Jayen Brown enjoys his life a lot and I don't like I think if people again, like you guys are crazy. likeike we're about to interview Davies the same way. It's like people are talking, this' fun shit about you. You're not just going everyone says like yeah, I'm just going to not ignore it, ignore ignore it. You guys are not ignore it. He's not ignoring it. He's He's a proud guy. He wears his hardness sleeve like I'm happy that he's passionate about it I just want him to be happy. That's the thing. Yeah dude.'s MA champion. Do you know who' DP? Do you know did ignore it Oh Names. Joan Brunson Dam Brson has a podcast. He did ignore it, though. He has he literally he talks why does Jaelen Brunson need a podcast then? By your example of Jaen Brown, why Brunon? Why trying to get Josh Hart to not have to fly like economy Also having a fodcast. that means that you've You have to have friends to do a podcast. Jyn Brown just streams on his own. Oh . You stream with everyone this is craz you. I just wasn't been happy. the statement it was crz stream has his friend The the funniest part about this hank we are we're actually on your side. It is insane that anyone would say that he's a seventh best player on an NBA team. He's going to be the best or second best player depending on what team you pick. I don't think you can pick a team that you be the I actually don't think U Picat team may be the third best He's he's he's best or second best on every single NBA team. What team would he be third best on doneone. I don't have one I don't I don't really have one off top of my head Don't Maybe the wizards, but I don't know Maybe, probably the Lakers What? Austin Reason, Luka Yeah Yeah, I guess that's good point. That's a good one.. Yeah. Oh pistons Okay, so thisance Cunningham to By us Hirs It was a crazy comment. Hank. Do you think he's still do you where do you think where's your confidence in him playing for the Celtics? Same as it was when I said my stance a few weeks ago, like I have convince myself in my mind that he's coming back and I'm staying there. That's where my mind is gonna stay. We did have a very f. Obviously like there's reports and rumors and there's a we'll see Worst case scenario is it happens when I'm on an island for Max sweating. and that's I'm just going I'm going Igore that even being a possibility. You can't have that vibe in your head going into a vacation. That would be the best case. you can just pretend like it didn't happen wororst cases he goes to the jazz because our good friend can't pick up any type of normal human interactions or social clues, Stephen Chay sent me PFT and Hank a text being like, here's my reasoning. I think Jayen Brown's going to get traded to the jazz. Here's the bet. You can bet on him playing for the jazz. Hank just left the combo. He's like, why would you send ch like, I was just trying to help a buddy out Chase's been weird on Twitter with he just does a different hypothetical trade every single day. Yeah, That's what these NBA freaks do. Yeah M I think Hank. Joim Brown, that was a crazy comment from Bobby Marks You happy? I agree. I mean, he was talking about Tam USA Stay your source, you know? Yeah. Okay PFT, who's or who's back U My who's Back of the week is quarterback rankings. Actually NFL rankings in general because Prisco dropped his hot one hundred I don't know if you had a chance to read it. It was the most football guy Pisco move ever because he was completely oblivious to the fact that Like I think he dropped it during a World Cup game during a United States Wor Cup game. He's like this is quarterback ranking season time. This is when we sit down. we get We get into fights. And he had Caleb and Jaden Daniels back to back Love rankings to try to get the conversation going. I didn't see too much conversation about. So this is me doing a good friend a favor and getting the conversation going about it because I think that's what he was trying to do Do you know Guess what numbers he had them at Top one hundred Yeah, all players. or just kBies, all players All players. I'm gonna say you had him in the thirties No, no, not Pete, notot Pete Where you happ be once He wants to see him do it again. Caleb seeventy. Okaykay Jaden Daniels sixty nine. Okay Where's J Ray? I did not I just saw those two back to back. and I thought it was funny that he he ranked them both so low. then I opted out of that column from then on. I can look it up and we can embrace true debate on it if you wanted to get into it Let's see e. I'll start you look it up, I'll start my who's back Okay. My who was back in the city of Philadelphia Did you guys see Yeah. Did you guys see the poop incident? Sometimes people got to go dude Noakan. The Noakan who' a very popular singer songwriter had a show where was it? It was it the link? Or was it I don't know where It was a citizens' bank Park. It was was is it the bank And apparently Uh some fan pooped everywhere And Noah Khan had to tweet after being like, hey, everyone If you got to shit, like, listen, I'm a guy. I've shit my pants. He said If you have to poop at to show Please, dear God, just go to the bathroom Iooot my pants as much as the next twenty nine year old, but you guys gotta understand there's a venue worker out there with one thousand yards stair after dealing with that So yeah, Philadelphia, where to show up sorry for party. Nice work Sorry Yeahah, that G great follow up, sorry for party. Sorry for party. Sometimes you gota shit and you don't wanna miss stak season conf Imagine that guy Like You're already so embarrassed. You're already like that was a terrible night. I pooped my pants and everyone in my section. And then the guy you went to see the big star you went to see play music T twweeted about you pooping everywhere Do you think that guy just like squatted where he was at and like there was enough people around him that were standing that he he thought he could get away with it? No, I think he's probably just so fucked up just started shitting. S somebody wrote it up What do you mean? And somebody wrote up the description of what happened to it So this is what it said. The person who did this was one row in front of me in section AA. I guess they didn't want to miss a couple songs. He use the bathroom. So they just straight up shit themselves. Mind you, not liquid or anything in case anyone thinks this was an accent and they started picking actual pieces of poop out of their butt and put it on the floor. Now are you guys ready for a plot twist? Because what I heard from you guys was a little bit sexist earlier She started trying to waffle stop the turds and act like nothing happened. It was a girl that did this Allegedly. u how is it a go? W there a rumor about some u Some like famous actor as like he shits in the in the in the tub every time he goes to a hotel Oh yeah think that That madeu the rounds about somebody who was is Sestter It was just like this this famous actor just Every time he goes to a dell, he just shits in the tub and just like and just tries to shove it down the drain Hm Okaykay. what do did you find where Drake May is Well, what's Sylvester Stallone, by the way. according to Reddit. there's a there's a there's a rumor It's an open secret in Hollywood that when Sylvester Stallone stays in hotels, he always leaves literal shit in the shower. Such a ridiculous rumor That's can't like you can't come back for it. Like I don't even know the toilet' right there. There's nothing that is closer to the toilet. I wanted to on the record. I believe I love Sly. I believe that he does not do this. I have his back But like it's such a specific rumor that it's like impossible to go against. You you know what I mean That's so specific They this one guy a shit in every single and waffle stomps the drain It's like the the Richard Gear Rumor. so so crazy specific that it stuck around. Yeah. All right, what do you got for Drake May? find I did find Drake May. Drake May, he clocks in U just behind Trevor Lawrence and or just ahead, excuse me of Trevor Lawrence and Justin Herbert at sixty one Prisco is so obsessed with S Lwrence. And smart. All then Jared Goff is fifty seven. Jordan Love is fifty one Okay, that's crazy. Okay. Yeah, Prisco knows how to get the people going Good for him This is what he youre it's very funny to makeaker Rill Baker No, he loves Baker. Baker at eighty. Ay Baker is Andy Doesn't sound like he loves him that much. Baker's going to have a bounce backack here He's not injured anymore You get healthy Yeah fast play good Yeah Sam Darnold seventy two Okay. Super Bowl winner elite All right, Zack finishes off. My who's pract wee this week is going to be O of Texas because we had a major fourour this weekend. Anybody's catching clips from major four No wor if you I' say they did. That's completely understandable. I know we had a lot of sports going on World Cup golf. But when it comes to virtual sports, Opites finished second every other major this year and they're finally able to break through and get the win. over went to a game seven situation map seven against LA. Thieves. And who I think Texas Texas is your team. No, O Teas is a professional team based out of Texas that you ro for. You root for them. I would like to see the Thieves win, but I just felt like, I mean, they're back because they won after coming second three times in a row. So I'm just expect to win Okay. you were you wore an Optic Texas champions shirt to the EA event. Yeah, because you got to respect, you got to respect like you respect glory, Hank, you So just whoever wins championship, you're buying their shirt. No backack to back titles is good and then you want to support an industry where like there's not always the most going through it, man. I want to see the industry being around for a long time. So you support everybody when it comes to you buy the shirt That's what I'm saying.pect respect great. hunk great. give us another one, Zach. That one sucked. Give us another one. No, he's back week this week. I guess we're gonna to respect that's gonna crush him. Right? you say you saying that like he's he's gonna be up at night tonight. No, Z. He's completely correct. They were barely back, I guess, we'll take it back. It was only the fourth major tournament kind of like golf. It defeinitely wasn't a major and eighteen thousand people in the arenos in Paris, France U Oh was that the one that Bush was at They They' at the challengers version of that and they came in third. They got knocked out by I think like the fourteenth or seventeh se those was. See, I ride with Bush Yeah they came third, but I mean, it was was a rough day All listen, I take it back, Zach. listen, I'm not saying you shouldn't like what you like, but like I need to that. It was give us a All right who's back of the week. Free kicks. most let you go, I think of the term so far is Messy' free kick Oh I like what you're doing here. I like what you're doing. See, this is a good news back. What Wh laic sack I just think it was fantastic. It was a great goal. They Describe it to us. What are the goal we do How do you All right, so there are some reports online saying that maybe the goal we started buffering, I don't agree with those, but there is a conversation out there that the goalie, I don't know if he's got like a crypto account that might may have spiked overnight a relative who got pardoned, but I don't believe any of those takes. Th those are all people online usually behind Facees accounts that may say to the The Messi kind of got the non and he just He was closeed, but he didn't get there It was ye, it was u It was really, you know what? I don't think it was the reaction of the goalie. the goalie was way out of position for that shot. Like he he put himself behind the wall. So that's where he fucked up or maybe that's where he was getting the u the late night deposits hit in the account. He was standing Right in the center. of his three man or four man wall that he had set up right in front of him And then of course, he's not going to be able to see the ball. It didn't look good from the goal from the goal angle. It was like the the Cal Ripkin aller game home run kind of feel to it Butait listen, go's a goal You kind of wonder why it's that far off the post. but yeah it goes goal you're right. And I mean, if we take all the conspiracy out of it, freak's are the fun like the funnest way to watch people sp this goals and that she was sick. Zach. That was an A plus who's back. That's how you fight that that's how you fight back with the Ronaldo messy stuff because it was a I It was not the most beautiful goal I've seen when the when when the goalie could have like maybe just fallen down to his right and stopped it I think he madeo he may have made a choice right there in that moment. I don't know. There's a couple angles where you don't believe it, but then there's like one or two where it's like, o, he just sold. L he just Oh my goodness. Maybe Maybe he just business decision 'cause that ball was coming in so hot? Yeah. No, it wasn't though. but was. It wasn't coming in that hot All right, let's get to Mount Rush for. then we got an awesome interview with Dave and a great interview with Zach Top in stududio. And like I said, Wednesday, we will see everyone for Dingers only interview with John Smolz and a little recap of whatever happens for NBA free agency. Okay, before we get to Mount Rushmore, this segment is sponsored by Microsoft three hundred sixty five co pilot. What if you could add an AI assistant to your work leaving your workflow. built into Microsoft Word, Excel and Outlook C pilot works where you work Helping you do more in the apps you already use. in word, C pilot helps turn scattered notes into a first draft In Excel, it generates insights from your data You an outlook, it cuts through the notes. get you up to speed faster. The apps you know go further with coopilot. Learn more at M three sixty five coopilot dot com slash work Okay boys, Mount Rushmore Mount Rushmore. What's the what's a prompt Mountt Rushmore of U attract U. S attractions that a foreigner would see Malt Rushmore of well, it was on Zach's list Okay, I can read what it said on Zachs list. So verbatim of the topic it's going to be Mount Rushmore of American attractions for foreigners to visit. Okay great Great. I love that. All right. so We don't know what the updated score is. No because we're taping this. U on Thursday Well, actually it's two one turkey day Yes. That is the updated score right now. Yep. All right So I think it's Max and Mmes up first. And then and then Henry And Henryine exack Respect Mad respect for Zach Zack and Henry. Why are you mad at Zach right there before it distorted Before it started. Yeah I mean, this is I guess we didn't talk about in Firefest, but Zach and I did played EA colle football twenty seven on stream. And we're teammates, like he had his he just horrible video game etiquette, horrible. here He's correct. Why? add a lapse in judgment. There's a lot going on I was up. If there's forty seconds left. I could have run the clock out we're playing aame we're streaming. even even if we weren't streaming, it's like You got to keep going. You know, I'm not just going to run the clock out. through an interception Zack then and I stood up and walked away and out of out of disgust because it was a pick six Zack decided to run the ball out and down himself on the one To milk the clock. Why to not even give me a chance Oh play with like another twenty seconds left. He' od. He was playing to win. Got it. Oh no right. That's not Yeah, you playing to win the game, but Hank already. I could have the game was open.ank Hank already set set the precedent. You should havejusted him. He's a snake. Yeah. no, snake in the ground W wasn't a gentleman's move. Hank had an amazing first score thirty in the first the patronizing, whatever. exxactall What was the halftime score O top of my head don't remember. isn't close to to forty wasas this the one that h was up thirty to seven in the lost forty three, forty two. It's great gameb bothides. Yeah. So that actually makes a difference too. It's like if it's a massive comeback that you have I feel like you have to seal the deal at the end. Yeah Streets would be talking about it forever. Yeah. there's a lot he kicked a fg go instead of But he had a moment to make history. and he made history. Did you center it? He center it. center still got through the uprights th with. Yeahah, hell yeah, goodood doob.. And then right before meeans ackward brainstorming got a call that my car got broken into so didn't really have much of a brainstorming session And Zach's, I think I think I think this said might just go Zach ack list. Okay now unbelievable. On the text thread, Hank didn't say that his card got broken into Hank text to the group thread. Hold on a second. I just got robbed.. And so I saw that on my phone. I jumped off the couch and I was sprinting through the foyer to get outside And then Hank came strolling in like whistling. likeike what's going on?ere you okay? What's going on? And Hank was like, oh, yeah, this is just my car. someomebody got into my car. They Yeah, I was like someone broke into your car come out here and then I saw like like all my gym clothes were scattered on the ground and my heart sank because your golf clubs. Yes. Your kids weren in there. Basically, I don't know if it my kids or it's like, I don't know what the relationship your parents. Yeah, my yeah, my ye My wife was in the car. and God the ground. She was just in there all rested untouched, unbothered. So that then I did I did That might have been because there were Ritys.ue. Imagine if they took a They a quick look and they're like, oh fuckking. Are you a little bit insalulted that they looked at your clothes and they werere like, I don't want this shit I mean, it's aym clos, It wass Jym bag. so I And and I had like two yardage books, which they're valuable to me, not to anyone else, but like they just threw them Which I appreciated because I still have. Hank, I have something else to say. Yeah Have you seen the footage yet Now I mean I think you're giving these these robbers too much credit about the technology that they were using. Oh, they were just going from cars to see which was open and yours was open. Oh smart. I wasn't the one that I didn't I didn't think I was the one that brought up the tech. Well, that because you said your car was locked. My car auto, I thought auto lock. it does auto lock if my keyhops on. They were just going down the way checking cars to see if they were open and they got to your C car hoppes. All right We don't victim shame M it's just victim shame the fuck out of me. All right. Let's go. Let's do this Mount Rushmore. G giveive us a prompt one more time Prompt is American attractions My bad me get the exact one So it's American this Mount Rushmore is American attractions. Okay. ye that you would want to attraction for foreigners to visit. It was visit not see. I want to make sure American attraction foreigners visit That makes zero out Cis' the same thing. Okay. Fair. Okay, Ready? Yeahep. We're doing number two re doing it? b it rib it. All, ri it. SEC football game. That's good one. I college football game. Yeah Gott got to get down south different cultures. getet their minds blown by. Yeah. They're like, wait, this is a school. Yeah. L just just thinking about foreigners going to Death Valley on a Saturday night O, you know, between the hedges, Georgia, Alabama, something like that. What You're right Yeah doing was that what was that sound has me thinking between the hedes is ar No wait they have hedges in Georgia too. I believe they have hedges and they might even have some hedges in Oxford. It's small It's been a long day. What? No they do have Mes. they have g in Georgia. That was That sound was Hank being like, O I was not thinking this way. All right, who' up? We got a brace We're up. It's brace brace We're going to go with the Super Bowl Okay. It's America greatest game. it's the greatest game in the world. It's our biggest event G to see performance is like bad bunny. And you got to see the Super Bowl Yeah, the reason why we didn't pick Super Bowl is because it's probably going to be in Europe soon enough because of you. Yeah. so I was about to They've never had them in Europe but they're like kind of desensitized like a while ago. They would been like what is this game? This is crazy. Now, it's like, yeah we see You know, six games a year. because of Commissioner Lockwood So it's just another football game I don't know what like it's crazy. What? I didn't make the choice for them to start doing international games. I just support their choices. Sperbowl's pretty expensive. That was also one of the reasons why we're like,, it's tough I didn't know there was a price limit on this Yeah No. All. All right. okay, PFT. Okay, my one one Its to a shooting range. Go fire guns.. They fucking love it when you take them to go shoot guns I had a bunch of guys that would stay with me like we'd get teammates that would come over from Australia. And the first thing they wanted to do in Texas was Let's go shoot some fucking guns like Americans And then theyd just be like, yeah, this is great. I love this So I'm going to go shooting range, number one And then number two I'm going to go Amusement or water park Okay. They love that shit too They eat it up. we found out a fun fact in researching Mount Rushvore There's a Disneyland in France No idea. I had no idea. We were like we threw out Disney and then we looked up and we' like, oh, shit. They got one I didn't know that. That's bullshit too. They shouldn't be allowed to. I agree. We were shocked. He was like, what the fuck is that That's hard. Tell tell you what they don't have is water slides I think the difference is there's quite a few Disney worlds around the world. There's a Disney land only in California. Got it But Disney World is the No, no, no, I think you have that Disney Worpl I think I think they have a couple Disneyands around the world, but the Disney Wor Be I thought I thought the same thing, but then Disneyland Paris as a Micy swap Yeah Yeah. Yeah, that should that shouldn't be low up. I we can all Okay, Hank And Zach ZachZ Zach. Anything you want. Let's go. What do we think, Hank? I think Whatever you like the most in this list, air conditioned room. There's some great choices on here. Okay, I would like to take Magic City.. I had Strip L of miles too. Yeah. Yeah. I was happy. you guys didn' take it becausecause we were walking into the room to brain some and he goes, Magic City out loud when Max and Mmes heard it and I was like I think I heard Max say like we're not taking. I will say, I think some Europeans may be disappointed when they realize things that you can't do shrimp club pred so much better overseas Good point. Pepper Hota? Yeah. guys you guys got to get the right rooms in the wr room.. Have you been to Magic City? No, no, not at all I haven't been to a lot of like US monuments, but I still can appreciate them for sure. Yeah Yeah Uh, I think I We got a lot on our. We got a lot on our le. I would go twelve and four No. Okaykay. F. Okay five. I think twelve and five. mees I do like to I think it deffly go twelve. Yeah All right, at. All right so our first pick will be although we next pick what first pick twelve. Okay. you say it The Vegas d. Yeah. Las Vegas. All You you say Las Vegas. Vegas. Vegas Vegas. You got to go to Vegas. It's It is Vegas is maybe the most American city we've got because it's just We just do E to excess. It's everything. Everything to excess U Okaykay, now we got a problem. What are we going to do There's so much. We got so much on. Which one do you think you get back to us? I think five might be able to get back to us. Okay. Yeah I think All right, I actually agree. Yeah. I agree Yeah. with the guy sitting next to you, I agree. Okay which one Bath Pro shhop is our next one. go Bass Pro shop They don't have them J just A Bass P shop. They don't have I mean, A Bass Prohop. I heard Bass Prohop, A Bass Pros shop. We actually wrote down Bass Prohop pyramid, so. I have that right here as four I bro shop Per. don' I don't think you did. I don't think you wrote Bast Pro shop P. Okay. actuallyct we can't show we'll show you l off. Yeah. we have have b shot P of a screenshot Bass Pro shop I think bas Pro shop here it's a magical place. It. It's a wonderful place. and it's not, you don't b Europe. Oh Yeah, as a matter of fact, it's right here on my. We will shut. Are you fucking kidd me? B best first sh up? was it on my list is the first time That's why I said that's why I said ye, I was like the guy sitting next to you it might not get back It's a good place. I believe you. I believe you Top wise That. Yeah. It's a screenshot not a textessagageot a screenshot That pro up here Okay, Hank Or sorry, Zack That's my pick. A You never know with these guys. We are going to take You got this Waffle house. Okay. Yeah. goodood pick. goodood pick. Good pick. It's it's You get everything. You get some great food. Yep, some great action You never know what's going to happen. I think we got a good Mount Rushwere going, boys. Kbaya. Yeah, this is really soou. This good I love some Kumbaya between the boys. Yeah You love to yeah You do. Hanks giveiv me the fith. You justlame You literally just interrupted made a point that was completely unnecessary to the story J as shame me Yeah. that was how was that Cumbi It was like ten minutes ago. Yeah, that was so long. Yeah But it also like and memes just kept saying, you got to say it, you gott to say it. Yeah. Meme's a piece of shit. shit you were like I lockked my fucking door and then we saw the video and likeike Yeah, whatever. Hey can I say at least like it actually is in a weird way better that they aren't using the techni? That's true. Yeah. It's a great point. Like it just I didn't know about the technology like Iith like because your car locks. I was like locks when I like Yeah I mean I thought it would be a little sh because you'd have to be like really close But yeah But I didn't know about the technology. I wasn't like going around. I'm watching the video right now. they they do they take out the seven iron and they realize it's a lety And then put it back. was. No, that wasn't See, that was more fucked up with than what I thought It's so funny. That was more fucked up. This took a couple took a couple practice swings. Oh Hank, these doors open up so smly. They barely even touch ass car de The guy I think the guy used one finger and the door just opened up for him. Oh man. Okay Who's up? Oh, PFT. I'm up. I think so Waffleitit. Did you say? all right? fucked up. I'm losting this. You fucked up I'm awes this. You fucked. Um I'm going to go Rdeo O, that's a good pick. That is a good p. They love rodeos. That wasn't on our list but that's a good pick.'s a good p. It's like the most American thing they can think of is to go to a rodeo. And for my last one This is really. there's like three ones that I want to take. I know there's a lot of, a lot of honorable meures. Oh shit Okay. And somebody already took passastproop Pyramid? Yeah. Good check. W to go That was quick VAR. Listen, I had my challenge. I gott to use it. Yeah. Buckies Okay. we had at it we haduckies and they're just amazed by it being a grocery store and a gas station with like forty toilets and the amount of stuff that you can buy there Yep, they just love that shit. They eat it up Ptty so a lot. Pretty much all of our gas stations I feel like are just so much Our gas stations are better than every store they have. Yeah ye Zach We would like to take the Daytot of five hundred infield. Oh Nice Nice. Nice. You're going to get American racing. you're going get, you know, all kind again, all kinds of action, action that Mhm. It's so American. They're gonna remember it all. Yeah We played the last round very well. Yeah, but I now I kind of want to take eleven instead. Yeah, come home. Yeah, eleven. That was on our list. eleven left Good.. eleven was on our list. eleven five eleven Like we went saying that we wanted five but we're also very U We're tainted I think for both of those things you can't say that. Yeah. So right now we have SEC football gamame Vegas Push up pyramid. I think five rounds it out nicely. This number is good. T just much number five has something to do with food. Yeah. yeah. Yeah that Max is talkking Oh I mean, yeah, I mean, there's no else is going to take the pick. Max has been so passionate about it. Yeah. We knew this pick was going to come back. Yeah. I'm going with five or eleven. I think it's a strong me You make a decision. Mans pull the trigger. Let's go Come on, Mimesy Hm Numbers, mimes just say it. I'm just staring at eleven. Just say it whichever one you want, just say it and then we're going to go so strong with it. Chillies. Okay Pack. Okay. Great pack, Chilies I mean, it's just so much food And the menu is just so good It I tell you what, I had two restaurants on my list. Chili's was not one of them. Yeah. I mean, listen The chili all over is all over America. Yeah. Bot chips. Chil is a worldwide brand by the way It's everywhere. Yeah. It's in Europe twenty nine countries. Okay, twenty nine that's not a lot of countries, dude. Latin America, Middle East, Asia, parts of Europe. That's parts of Europe is barely Which parts are we talking? Chil Chil Come on is America. Come on I'm talking It's a worldwide brand I findine you want to say that's illg pick then. No Well thats that's the argument we No no, I'm not don you're bringing. it's like Yeah, you have to have two people object to it, two teams object. I'm not a I'm happy not I'm happy with Ch chil' on keepe Chil on our board I love chilies. Chilies. Yeah, you could go to France and have it I Chiles would suck in France That's I think I had chilies in Latfia. I'm not joking It might have been There are no official Chil' grill and bar locations in France Paris, Texas, Maybe sure. There are locations in Europe U.S. military base. H . in your face You can't if you're many in Europe are primarily, but no Europe. There's Germany only in U.S military bases. Gotcha It looks like there might be one in Romania. but o okay, you' going gonna go to Romania Chili? gas Cil That should be That should be Hank's punishment if him and Zach Romanian Chilies. Go to the Romanian Chilies Listen, Chil. I mean, I don't think Europeans are getting the amount of food that you get at Chili's anywhere in Europe. And it's everything. the beef and the skillet queso was made out of horse. Yeah. Yeah, a bottomless baguette could rip Yeah, that's a differents different beast. Blooming back at All right, what do we got that we missed? we said What's co pilot got Do you have it? You want to read it off? We had chain. We had Yeah I got it. Okay, give it to us. What did Microsoft C pilot give us? Statue of Liberty? Okay Goldgate Bridge Grand Canyon. it's pretty big. Yeah. Las Vegas Strip. Yeah. Okay. we go A Rose Bll Yeah, I mean, yeah, when you said Rosero it's like, Yeahah, Rose Bold be nice. Yeah. I had Mster trruck rally Medieval Times was one of my restaurants. That would be a good That's just their history. Yeah, That's what would make it so awesome is if like you took a European to our medieval times. Yeah. We' like we I want to educate you on your own country's history. Yeah, wa good Rough and rowdy Rinforced Cfe. Yeahinforce cafes RIP. Gasperarilla U Cheesecake factory is another one where it's like the menu is just that would blow their minds. Oh. Uh C Costco Costco nice Costco Samslub. Wigglely. Um, Bill's Mafia tailgate That was the other one we were we were debating between. Yeah, Bills, but, you know, we had SC football Bills Mafiaeli would be pretty sick Although I feel like maybe they they probably have some the sphere Yes, f would be great. Sphere My only problem with this fehere is like you don't get this you don't really understand the fehar until you go to the sphere. Yeah. That's what Max kept saying Yeah Like I wouldn't have said that trick until I went to the sphere Yeah. And so it's like it's pretty like aware that the sphere was a mind blowing place. Yeah, but you don't but it's not You don't have much bro don't get into you don't get, bro Although you do get out as you've been Yeah. I mean you're just arguing against a pick that wasn't taken Yeah You're just arguing to argue You guys are plling me What else? Krabby New York City probably is on there. Yeah J Pilly G go see Philly foreigners have loved Philly. What would you at Houston pool party? I think you or anywhere on the fourth of July Okay. I like that. Yeah. Houston pool party specifically. That's a pretty good one. They got those videos where everybody jumps in at once one after another. It's like the biggest it's like the whole party doing a cannon ball. and also, fourth July just're pretty much anywhere the fourth of July is a great time. That's a pretty good one Um, which What would you guys say would be like the more bucket list place for European Madison Square Garden or Rig To get married? No justust go visit. Uh, I would say probably It probably It depends on the Europeinion. depends on what country. It's in New York. Yeah, that's tr. But take out New York That mean, that's a big part That is MSG. I'd say probably the biggest part I don't know I would rather go to Reigy, but For an international person. I feel like New York City they'd want to go to Mistry. Yeah U Is it a miss that no one picks N Rushmore I thought about that. No, notomous. I don't think so. It's a it's rock. Yeah. Yeah. And it's close to nothing. L I don't think. You you see Mount Rushmore and then you're like, fuck, Now what? now? Yeah. Is there chilies nearby? Yeah. Prorobably and then you're like, fucky, let's go chilies. They should probably put like a restaurant or a bar at the top of my mouse restur always doing. What is always doing stuff doing Sorry, Daytona Beach justust like That whole thing Margaritivville? Margaritivville, we thought it guy Fieres Were just trying to find guy Fiery like the attraction being Guy Fiery just going a triple D Yeah tour. That would be s. That would be awesome honestly. I would Yeah be sick. The grit sign in Youngstown, Ohio Yeah, leegendary Mhm. Texon home the seventy seventy two hour steak That's right. Yep I had Hibachci. Amarilla, Texas Aach ye, you did have aachi. I was wonder What else did you have me you you were firing them off Utah at night Yeah, Utah game at night DC That'd be cool to see what enter Pepperman hit. Oh, Mall of America. Yeah That blow European That place. We're doing honorable mentions. You don't have to like this is we're just throwing shit out there and you're still fighting them None of these are pigs fair What What are you so rrou up? Dude, like I think Hank Zach beating you in video games got you v you you I would say any sort of combination fast food restaurant likebin If you go combinichan. than you. If you go to the comombinean pizza Hut, Taco Bell. We had a Mc Taco Hut in my town growing up, which is rare because some of those companies aren't even part of the same like parent group. No That was insane Yeah. The Mc Taco Hutt was every time like if there was an exchange student, we'd be like, you got to go to the Mc Taco Hut. Yeah and their minds would be blown. Another thing that would blow their minds is just going to like a seven eleven and looking at the different flavors of sports drinks. Y. And they're like, we just have the one. Yeah The PFT, I know you've been to this and I have as well, Texas State Fair Texae Aair pretty crazy. That would that would blow their mind. Yeah, they they fry everything Fy everything and just like the amount of, you know, And then there's a football game that goes on. It's just a that is a purely Americana scene you can't anywhere else. Yeah. Nathan's a hot toging contest. Yeah, we're talking about that It's not it's kind of a bummer I love watching it on TV, but like in person it's like hot and you're in a crowd fourourth of July you should be like in a pool. That's aamm saw. Yeah. I remember being eting in it and then like, being like, please just get me anywhere but here. Mmm That was also because I was stuffed with hot dogs All right, good mount Rushmore boys Should we have said the World Cup No, no no because it's currently happening. No, I have soccer ever would have bad picked Yeah, but it's currently happening. It would' have been bad pickking everywhere. justust thinking. No.'s, what c's going I' sorry, honorable ment. we're. Oh, o, we could have said though, sports related A A Stanley Cup parade Be that is very American. Yeah Right Championship parades. It only happens in America. Yeah. So thated one. Got it. Yeah, yeah. Okay fourours up. 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It is Dave Port my second time on part of my take first time since I think twenty seventeen I remember why I was on the first time It was the I remembered It was Championship Sunday. I think it was the year that it was Jaguars's Patriots And we had a fan or writer from every team Be remember we had Ear Nigler for the Packers Yeah So yeah, that was last time. but Dave has a book. It is out as you're listening to this, cancel me if you can, go buy it now, buuy it in a bookstore, buy it on Amazon, buy it everywhere. Just buy it. buy it buy it ust buy it. D, don yout have to read it. We're not telling you have to read it. I've even looked at ways that you can rig buying it and I haven't been able to figure it out. What do you mean? Well mean, you could buy a shit load? No, you can't like they So politicians buy their own books to do this like and they get kicked out. Like Ted Cruz got booted because he he bought his own. You're not supposed to do it. Some people like the guy from California did it for his book. He bought the governor News and bought like a ton of them. And then if you donate, he gave you Yeah. but they're supposed to kick you out if they find you doing that. What about what about if you use sh findinder by the way, is like I tried to buy them all, but they limit you Oh, I was just saying, what if you just do like a shell company? send Mincy like with a U haul truck around the nation just loading up the boxes. I thought about the recent Mintcy debacle with the with the treadmill because as much as Mintzcy sucks, he somehow did sell quite a few brick watches don't know how he did that I did. So I debated just tell like go sell a million of these fucking books. However you am And like that'll buy you a decade. I feel like Mincy driving like over bridges through tunnels with a massive U haul is going to raise a lot of questions to law enforcement. Yeah He's going to get pulled over like everywhere. He would actually sell some books for you because he would just if you told him that, he would just go to every widespread panic show, which he's probably going to anyway There's probably not a ton of overlap. He would just be selling it like you like you'd be like buy a nitrous balloon, buy a D Portooy cans me if you can, b. in the you got to get in the back of the truck because I don't know how many like books bookstores hold either. Like I think There's ten so you really got to make your dent online, but they do limit you, I think, on how many you can buy at once because they don't want people rigging with these rankings. Why don't we promise just like a personal thank you video from Mincy. if you get the combo. if you get the Port andway I take combo. I know it's it's across different publishers. That's true. I try preordder both Yeah. then how about how about Mcy you you like take a screenshot You send that to Mincy, tag him And he will send you a personalized thank you video I'm down for that. I'm down for anything to move the books. It's it's more and as I'm talking Dan it pound for pound. the least profitable endeavor in the history of endeavors. Yes. And I don't even understand how the book companies make money. Yeah 's it's so all right. So we because it's funny because you know, Dave obviously we it's weird we have a guest on who we know so well and who' our boss. And I talk to you, you know every other day, but we it's weird that we went through the same process of the book the exact same time because we wrote our book, you wrote yours. Are you at least happy that you did it now that it's done even though it did suck? Yeah, I'm happy it's over because I do feel like the Barcel story is pretty crazy and remarkable and probably not a similar version like there'll be other stories, but it's unique and to have what I think is a fairly accurate Memoir of it. I think it's cool. Like I'm glad I have it. I would never have agreed to do it in the first place, if I thought it was going to take the course it did. And Francis wrote a good book. People think I'm like Francis wrote a good story book. It just wasn't minor Rs. It was differentiffere. And like that his probably works more for like a movie or whatever. He wrote it in his style, but it was like just not accurate. And my blood I still want to So in the book, we did the audio and Austin can attest to this. likeike I'm reading it and when I read a Francis line because it's probably ninety five percent means five percent like still his lines. I just get so mad when I read his line like No fucking Francis. I never fuckking say that in the audio areience. It's like this fucking who how this get in there? I mean, so But it is to answer your question. I think it's good. I think there's new stuff in there. It's nuts because that you wrote it all like you I joked to you because it was was like three three months ago or so. I think there was a three week stretch where We didn't talk and I think that that was the first time that it happened in like thirteen years. And I was like, what what is like is weird? And then I realized, oh shit, he's just locked in Austin, your assistant said that he He taught you how to Put your phone on, do not disturb and that change your life That was a while ago. ye. Yeah, it probably took me five, six months, eight hours a day, like I was just grinding. and it's Francis was super helpful. He gave me the outline. Like he and I did a ton of interviews. So he had the chapters, he had everything. I followed that outline But I just rewrote everything in. And then as you're going, there's so much more that pops into your head that, oh, this should be in there. You're trying to make it funny. L the back of my head it's like, could this be a movie, a TV show? Like I want to make it entertaining, but accurate. So You know, writing sucks. likeike we used to write all the time And even writing a blog for me, a couple paragraphs to get it in a way I was happy would take me hours. So ye, it was a long exhausting but I am glad it's over. Yeah. For us, it was, I mean, it was partially you do want to make it funny, but it's also more than that, you want to make it interesting, which is very different from blogging sometimes. With a blog, you you know, you're cracking your jokes. You might try to make a couple of points if you want to. But in this, you're like, you're trying to make them in more interesting and exciting for somebody to read And when when I was going back and writing stuff, I'm sure Big Cat feels the same way. We uncover things that we hadn't thought about in the last like six, seven years, and it makes you think and consider those a little bit more. When you're writing, are there a couple sliding doors moments that you had not remembered or that you kind of uncovered for yourself? where you're like, hey, if this had gone a slightly different way, things would have been much different. Yeah, I mean, I think a lot of it is known And that's part of the issue with the book for me. It's like we're so open. There's like very few things and you want new tidbits with you guys, I think and it's interesting because when I'm doing these interviews, I've started, I'm really curious what people think. I'm like, did you like the book? And obviously it's hard for somebody to be like, no, but the things they're asking me about necessarily what I expected What are they asking you There A lot of people are early days. likeike it was like, oh, I'm fascinated by like the newspaper days of you grinding. Renee always gets brought up like that relationship because we're still like getting along and super friendly. So that fascinates people But the sliding door moment And I don't I think it's well known if you follow us And I would say the most important moment in the overall where we are now is still you guys and the ESPN thing falling apart. Like to me, that was the moment that realign kind of everybody and kind of forces us down the path where all right, it's going to be us kind of together. That is a huge moment. There's other early things But in our current state, I don't think we're like the behemoth if ESPN didn't. ironically like afraid a comm an enemy all of us to unite against. Yeah. I'd agree with that. because it did it was really like In our writing our book and then, you know, you showed us like, you know, what what you wrote about us. we got to read a little bit of it. whichich by the way But my publisher is so fucking literal So for the people at home, I wrote the PMT chapter, sent it to everybody, be like, here it is like I just want you guys to get eyes on it because it's an honest perspective from my end of it. There's a lot of stuff with PFT and our relationship in the beginning Our editor is so literal. they want me to change it becausecause I said PFT hasn't read it. they're like, well, he has read it. I'm like, yeah, we didntad before I wrote it. Like they thought I now couldn't publish it because you had read it before it's actually out The day it's published. That's how literal my editor was. That' That's unreal. Be becausecause other people had seen it, they're like This doesn't count any. I said you guys read it. becausecause some of the things I asked are like you ever my or on the legal side, like if I say uh, Like somebody was trashing us twenty four seven. they're like, you can't say that. I'm like, what do you mean? they literally st at some point. Yes. It was that war consistently like no sarcasm at all. That's crazy. Yeah. I mean, I appreciate you let me read what you were I actually thought it was it was very, very fair. I thought it it was a great description of kind of like what our relationship is and where we stand and how like we have this loyalty to each other And I did not realize at the start You were under the impression that we got into a big fight the first time that we met.. I thought it was just two guys talking. and then I read it I was like Yeah Yeah, the story. I remember it like I I went to Gaz. he was at the bak, this guy fucking hates me. hates me. I'm like He may not come. I don't know. And then you went back because we had the back vo you're like, I think I already signed when this happened. I'm like, I don't think so. I was like, I was like, he may not come here. He really hates my guts. Yeah. So we had a different perspective on how real that was. Yeah, I guess the story was Davave and I had a conversation right It was I had made my intention clear that I was going to go to barstool. had we had stealed it over a handshake, we went out to dinner at Whats that?'s?imis H has a prrime ris Sanrancisco in twenty sixteen right after Turnin had purchased us. And that's as good as any contract as far as I'm concerned. We had second slices together and that binds us at that party Dave and I had a conversation and it was about the size six joke. skinny jeans joke. And I was just like, I was like, tellell me what that means because like coming from my background because I did not grow up like a stoolie like other people had And I was just like, let's let's hear what Dave has to say about it. He was like, it was a joke. And then my response to that was like, I bet you wish the joke was funnier since it caused you all this like back and forth and all this headache over the years. And then I thought that we were good and that like we just couple guys sharing a laugh having a direct conversation about it And to the point where're like the next day I text you it was like Hey, that was a great dinner. Thank for thanks for the invite, looking forward to working with you. I didn't realize that you and Gaz were like, I don't think this guy wants to work here. Yeah, yeah. And again, they're coming from two different worlds. so that is a joke that is brought up to me by every person. It's the first thing, if you don't like me, you go back to that joke and be like this guy' the worst. He's the Atichrist, He's pro rapist. It's like the new guy who was coming from a world of people who didn't like us. I'm like he hates my guts and it really, I mean, you were Firmly a dan highire. Like like we had really no relationship. You guys forged it. I'm like, man. This fuckking guy was not like me. Yeah, I mean, ye we talk about it in our book as well, but like there was a little bit of like a Jets in the Sharks Westide story with PFT joining us. But it's interesting because the chapter that you wrote, your your account of BBT, I think is Everyone should go who's listening to us right now should go buy the book just for that But it's, I think back about it in like It is crazy No From churning to like after BVT We all moved to New York and the plan was that like everything was going to grow and it's just we never planned for part my this show to grow so much faster so quickly. Yes versus everything else. And that's where like the weird tension came in because it just it happened so fast. It was like we blinked. It's like, o, fuck, this thing is massive right. It happenens so fast and There was that inherent like We like PNT, but we hate b which it's like they are parcel and especially for me, it's like Dan's been with us forever fucking hank. like ye, PFT is new, but it's parool. So to be like you don't like and there's always been a little bit of and it all in the end melted together. Like I'm an instigator You guys both during that time you like we prefer to just turn the other cheek. I don't do that. I never have. But it ends up like building each other because people find it. it's like there is the crossover. But yeah, it was a tense I put that in the thing. I honestly don't know if there's a civil war I think I used in the book If it was like the new I think I forget what I've written it so far ago. I haven't read it, but the u The anchor man, like if we all threw Hank like a wrench who he was going to start hitting. I was like whoo are you going to fight for Hank? because he probably just kill himself. It was can't do it. Yeah. Yeah I can't do this right now. But yeah and then it it's funny because obviously everyone knows a lot of the story, but like for people who are like, oh, yeah, we we like PMT, but we don't like Barcel. big, big portion of the BVT blowing up was Dave and I doing a gambling show to like five thousand people back in like twenty thirteen that we would do every single week which was pickam Right It's like that. Yeah Stream the ponder stuff, yes, it iss very onbrand. like I didn't even remember we said it. I remember the blog when she took a kind of shot at us for Ray Rice because we're like, this guy's crazy. How do you get four games?ike how can you guys defend when you do this? People were blaming us for blowing it up, but that was like core Barth. There was no intent. We were shooting the shit quickly and and it's like we didn't even remember that is Like we say it about everybody. I kind of said it to before we started, I got in a fight with a PBS lady. It's like She brought up we sold She's she just People say stuff to me like it's a fact, like you're sexist. She said that to me.m like, I don't think I am. She's like, Well, you sold when Tiger Woods had this controversy sinkking putts, nail and sluts. That's sexist. And I'm like I think it's a joke. And by the way, he was actually like banging prostitutes, but like I'm talking about Summer House right now and this guy Wes being a manhoore. Nobody cared like that to me doesn't make me sexist. That's a clear joke about Tiger Woods And it's like kind of barcel, but it's everybody. like you can find any group that we've talked about and made jokes. It's all about intent And I'm pretty confident in our intent that we try to make people laugh. I told that size six skinny Jean. What they cut off when I'm like, I would never make that joke if I knew it was going to offend people like I wouldn't make it now, but the goal was to laugh. L I was never trying to be offensive and I never would. So does that did that PBS lady know about the big bench shirt God, she didn't. I was gonna say than not theirt. Oh my God, that was a thousand times worse. I still occasionally will see somebody wearing that in this way. Yeah. Oh do you talk I don't even know if we could say No, I'm not gonna say do you talk about like the merch side of it is Welker in the book? Is it Yeah it's a big part of like Barstol's growth and how we got to where we are is like We had to sling some merch. tootally. And that's what always has caused and I have a line in there. I think they say the gofather it's not personal It's business. like, well, When the business has been your life for twenty years and it's basically kind of like you, when people attack Barcel,'s like you're attacking me. So and I think that is something about the book people have read. I hate when people and I'm sure you guys too Like, oh, they just put up TNA are like the lowest hangouting gp. It's like we have really smart Intelligent, funny people and we worked our fucking asses off for a long time. And even like the inside of our stool, as everyone we're far more left than like, right. And but people see me and if I'm on Fox News or whatever, and they just don't look under the hood. and they don't even look under the hood on things I've said. It's just you fixate on something So and by the way, what you just said, like that that is obviously evolved for me too, especially after the BVT thing where it's now I agree. likeike when when someone says something bad about Barceal, it's not I can't just be like, Oh, that's okay. Like No, no, you're that's like my whole life. That's literally like Oh would someday, many, many years from now retire This is all I'll be known for is like this. So it's like there's nothing else I have. So when someone's like Oh yeah I read this New York timimes like, what the fuck you talking about? Like that's, you know I said it in the last page of book is actually the only time'm like that's crazy I have now I'm going to be fifty. I will have been doing this for half my life. half my existence. I've been doing bar stool. So yeah, I take offense if somebody's like Barcel sucks or this or that. It's like, well, that's you're attacking my entire life. Yeah. Yeah. I do think you can win some people over. It's not it's not a complete lost cause all the time. And on that note, I'm curious, do you think that you and LeBron just got off on the wrong foot? Like if LeBron and you hung out Maybe for half an hour, no cameras. I think you guys would actually end up Like shaking hands at the end be like, all right, all right, I'm glad we got that off our chest. I kind of like you. Yeah, well, I've always said You can win me over like easy. Like if you came to the internet of Ination, there's different types of hate. like LeBron and Goodell, like when I bought that thing for Goodell to go to his basement for Monday football, that probably would have ended the beef The business insider and people have come for like my life, I would never like I could sit down with them forever, never. But the LeBronons and the sports people Definitely probably get over. even though I still hate him. but I'm sure All you have to do is, hey, I sneak you like Barstool. I' like back. Yeah like I'm a stoolie. like hes like I watch pizzer reviews. so No yeah, what if he was like, I hate Barstool, but I love Fasoli That's probably twenty five percent there. I think I think I would probably like him back for Solely. It depends who if he's like Mincy No for Solely probably yes. Yeah. Yeah. Do you put in the book how much money you've lost gambling in your life becausecause that's always you didn't because that's I always in my head. I'm like, hey, someday if I have to write like a personal book I'll just that will just be what I do is I just I just calculate it all. I don't know what the number is and I don't want to know Why We wouldn't be here without cororrect the other side of it. Correct. That that at least is good, but no I didn't put that in It's yeah, it is one of those things and if you even stop like right now, you're thinking about it a little bit and it's probably like I can't I direct it into horses, which is better. Yeah. It's more expensive and at least I have something to show for it at the end of the day. Are you are you prepared for them to in like five years make you do like an updated book and be like never. I'll never do an updated book Like we have had a couple meetings about like turning it into a TV show or movie and people are asking, why do I want to do the book? It's like you guys and I don't know what the answer is for you guys. A lot of things don't excite me anymore. It's like, all right, cool. But for some reason, it's may my age. like the thought of seeing like a book and like walking through the airport and your book's like in the store ego, like I thought that was really cool. and I didn't realize how much work And maybe it turns into like I think the Barcel story is clearly Like built for like a TV show more of a movie. It has everything you need for crazy story. So that's kind of what convinced me. I wasn't going out of my way looking for it. likeike we got UTA. They pitched it. I'm like, Ohh yeah, this sounds This sounds cool But again, no, no conception of what we I mean I don't know if Ains this clip of me trying to read The audio book. Oh ye I didn't know we had access to it I can't read.. I just can't. It's not easy. But by the way, the answer fors reading it off like a little Kindle? No, I did paper. I had to print the whole thing out. I was doing my laptop I stack of papers, Dave because I had to literally go with my finger and do that. And we also You needed Jer Jerry O'Connell should have just read your book for you. He would have done it Becauseuse he was a lifesaver for us Some of the some of the book, if you listen, you're going to be like he is so mad that he's doing this. I can't wait to listen here' just Austin says there's like an hour this Wea put in the mic, put in the mic. Put in the mic. Are you doing the reading yourself? Yes I'm just gonna read it charged scrat Dyslexia, I think I'm not a guilt. . What happened if just something doesn't make sense? There are definitely moments when I thought, what the fuck did I get myself into here? Kind of like reading this book. I'd be broke. My mother makes a spectacular dessert called Sour Stream. Sour Creamid teechnology has never been my forte nor is reading more than double yourquake It was all hands all deck. both c Nothing on with. It's like It took out any of those like gibberish. I couldn't it's just this little Kindle. And its hours, I was like, I fucking hate my agents. How could I ever fucking think I'd want I was I hate it I actually have dyslexia a little bit. Really? Like diagnosed Yeah, like go things backwards. I think that's why I get all my name no not. Yeah. you don't have to self diagnosed. Yeah self diagnosed. But to answer you we did our book because I think I think honestly maybe PFT has a different opinion, but like ten years snuck up on us Like it was like almost like we got a call and they're like, Hey, we're checking in on this book because they had pitch it to us before we had done meetings before about a book And I was like, wait a second. No, we're about to be ten years. What happen So I got pitched to write a book about sports conspiracies. and I was like, I think I would like to write a book now Um I'm not going to write this b. We haven't written the part of my take book yet U So I went to Bigat, I was like, Hey I got pitched And I wanted to know if you had any interest in doing a book And Big Cat was like, Well, it's been ten years This now should be the time right that we do the part of my take book. And it's interesting. we even had Hank write a chapter Well actually, Dave, I don't think I've ever fuck me, by the way, with the timing of your book. Like it's very parceal, but like Of all the times like I've never written book. You've never written book and we decide to drop a book like three weeks apart. is incredibly stupid. Yes, very dumb.. Buts it's eight weeks apart. But Yeah But yes Buts all the people saying they're like, why what has happed? I don't know. I don't think it was we didn't know know. I thought you were doing your book There was a miscommunication. I knew you're doing your book. I thought for some reason it was coming out like months ag Yeah. So I was like, I thought there was like a four month gap. It was very funny that like the two least likely people to be writing a book. It's like us and then you writing a book and we're both doing it the exact same time. Yeah. S in the water. Yeah, something weird happened there. But in our book, obviously Hank writes a little bit. So we're trying to get Hank to become a New York Times best selling author I don't know that I've talked to you about your first impressions of young Henry Lockwood and what kept him coming back is I know that he was fired. He came back a couple times The resume might have been embellished just a little bit. So I don't know, do you have anything in your book about Hank? Oh yeah, Hank's in the book. Yeah, I mean, he was like a helpless blob of a human I mean there's that picture of him from like Milton's pimple lookook. And he had like ketchup all over him because we're like sweats and really what happened a Hank was Jazz was still the same exact guy he is now So I would have Paul, Hey, Gaz, you got to do something. We need this, we need that. And Gaz, the suupreme delegator would tell Hank to do it. and Hank was brand new. And I was screaming at Hank and finally I'm like, why am I even yelling at this guy? He's brand new. He clearly is a helpless human. Like he has no life skills. His school was not even real that he put on the resume I saw I himm like Gaz, you're going to have to figure this out and get rid of Hank. So I have to yell back at you. So Hank was fired and I think Gaz told him just keep coming, which he did and they slowly grew into the role, but You know, I've told the story. I think it's in there when Hank went through his phase of trying to catch the drone out of the air. Like he wasn't letting it land and it like chopped his finger off. and we took him to the R and I must have been on speaker phone. his mother is like, I told you not to trust D P. I can hear that. I'm like right here. Yeah. he the Hank first day being I don't remember how he ended up with you guys. He just he Hank and I were doing a bunch of stuff like we would travel. He would come with me whenever I did a trip. So like we did the Black Hawks like LA trip. we did the Tampa trip in the Stanley Cup fininal. He would come out to Chicago and do videos with me. So he kind of became my guy And then we would go do trips together. We did the bro show together And then it was like, want I need a producer. I know he can do it andank know we could do it at that time. exactly like. Yeah. when we didn't know we could do the pocket but hank was we put it in our book, but Hank was about to leave Barstore He was he was Yeah He was one foot out the door on the Dixie Tour because I just told I mean, you probably I don't know if you remember it, but like you you flipped out of me on the Dixie Tour because we didn't pick up Feidelberg from like the airport whichich wasn't my decision, but like you you just let me have it And I like kind of made in my mind. I was like, I don't I think when this tour ends like I might be done. And then we did that road trip. whereere were you to go? I was I was no fucking w I was I was c check out youam. No no no. I was on fucking tour at all these schools with like the hottest girls in the world and I was twenty one. and I was like, I can still go back to school. Like if I ever have a chance to go back to school and just be a fucking kid with like all these people around. L This is it. And I told Dickat that on that road trip was it was N ICS teig Chicago and and New York back and forth. There was like a week because that that happened. There was a week where I like made it up mind, likeike I talked to like Calen Ben aboutout I was like this what I'm gonna do this I'm gonna to do likeike in my mind, I was like, this that, but you was staying through the troll and you were being an asshole to us. Yeah. Yeah. yeah I don't believe that. No, Dave, I had in our like he said to me he was thinking about leaving and he was very serious And I told him because it was right in that sweet spot Oh that's where you had told me and Kevin about the churn in investment So I told Hank, I was like, look This guy's buying Barstool, like things are going to change a little bit. We're going to have more money. We're going to do different things. We're all going to live together. So that was like part of the reason why he's like, all right, I'll stick it out. There was also you talk about it in your book, Dave, but this was a time and like me and me and Big Cal were close and this was like the GCat gang where like there was real tension W you, Dan and Kevin and like you talk about it in your book, but I like Dan, you know, Me and Big Cat on these trips, like I would I would hear stuff talk about it like And so On that road trip was me Dan and Kevin. And I was like, this is these two are going to get it more than anyone where I'm like, Hey, I'm kind of done. this is what I'm thinking. And they both were like, no, like We' you know, this turning things's going to happen. but that I thought I was going to be talking to two people that were like feel the same way kind of and it was the oppite It was the opposite. Yeah every g you hank to think that you des unbelievable. I don't believe you would have had the guts to leave in aute. I've heard so at that point you were just a useless little blob still. I've heard so many people when it's they get yelled at or whatever be like, I'm gonna not resign here and you know what they they're the first person the resign line. I don't know if I believe before contracts. I I mean, it is what it is, but you how What school What was your fake school? What school do you think I'm getting? I was gonna go to like a film school. L I was gonna like, I don't know USC or Emerson or something, I had I had enough experience doing production. like likeike USC like Southern California. You think you head the USC? I thought so It's craz. I dot remember Can weit crazy. Somet That's like one of the hardest schools to get into.. I had a full year at a film program and I had two years of experience filming. It wasn't even in business was It was when I went there. have I have a certificate of what was it? Not a degree G ED No was like I was just going I was like going to go to a US Southern Cal. Okay. you go to Harvard Again, I was at all these schools every week we' like at these schools I like I I I fucked up not going to like a big school. No So he in h offense in that moment It did suck for him because it was the Dixie tour, which there was no real plan for it. and it was Caleb busus boy Benny and what was the other kids? Yeahv. Yeahv And you didn't and and Dave, this is something that like you you are one of the fairest guys in business. Youre you're fair to all your employees, but you also, if you know you can yell at someone who can take it, you will give it to them. Oh yeah. And if you don't know someone, you'll kind of just leave them alone So Hank was in a spot where you didn't know Caleb bus boy, Benny or Yv. you knew Hank So Hank was just getting all the shit for their mistakes. and he was like, I can't do this anymore. Yeah, that's fair how that would go sure And Caleb like I yelled him one time for like screwing out a pitcher with Bberirt. he tried to like beat me up at a Super Bowl But no, Hank definitely and the I mean, Hank was sort of my guy for a little bit. so they get yelled at for sure. Yeah. I just don't believe this theory. that Hank was going to be like, oh, I'm done with Varcel. I'm going to USC. L That is you might have stopped the next spielberg That would have been a heavy heavy dose of reality. hank going to USC. I mean like I've I got two years of experience filming wet t shirt contests universities across the. You should You should apply to USC right now. Actually probably would get in now Yeah. Are we going to dig up his resume that he used to It's in our book. Yeah. It's misspellings fake schools. The school was real. It just got unaccredited d my left. All right? I'm gonna go to USC. I thought I was I wasn't gonna to go at you as hard of you South Carolina. I don't know what their deal is, but I think USC is like one of the hardest That's where everyone was cheating to get in like that Yeah the documentary. And I would assume it's like literally just nepotism hires of everyone in Hollywood. Wow and was going USC I just knew if there was ever a clean break it was going to be after that tour. because I was like when this tour ends, like am I just going to go back to the office? L I didn't It was And that was a that was and Hank brings up a good point. like the churnan The the Chrina investmentood came at the perfect time. I don't think it was a sliding door moment one hundred Be Kevin and I were in this weird spot where we were working really hard and like loving our jobs, but Dave had started to make money. We weren't making like big money. And it was like, are we just going to blog forever? Because like Dave has Barstool. If he sells Barstool, he's he can walk off from the sunset. What are we? And then Churnin came along and it was like, okay now we have A real thing that we can go for one hundred percent And that came out of the left field. likeike you weren't looking for it. It was through J the Gerred Lorenzon. Yeah. So without a doubt that There's been so many And people always ask that and I think any business like there's been a whole ton of luck. likeike it's the right people in the right place to take advantage of the luck and the breraaks and we did. But the turnurn in thing was huge. the ESPN a lot of big moments. So after the turnurn in thing, the other big moment I would say would be when they legalizeed gambling. one hundred percent sports gambing. So like if If sports gambling doesn't get legalized, what do you think Barool looks like from that moment on. Obviously we've been doing everything, you know for years. So there's a lot of stuff that's not going to change, but I mean, that was a big opportunity. So like without that, where do you see the company go? Yeah, I thought I'd be done at Barstol. Like we were I was coming up on the five years at Curnen U I put in the book I didn't even I didn't even look back. I hadn't renegotiated with T. I was making four hundred grand a year. like and I never got more from them. And in hindsight, I think it's a little insulting like how big the company had been that they're never like, hey, you're killing it. like maybe you shouldn't be making what you made when you signed it. And then their offer to me was, I think like two million a year or something, which I thought This is kind of the height of like my personal brand and everything, it was like very installed. say I can go do this in a second. So I didn't think I would sayay I don't know what would happen with Barstool I don't know what they would have done with you guys contracts, but I think I probably would have been on my own Yeah, which that would have been a civil war, which would have sucked Yeah, I don't even know if it's Civil War. Like I had no animosity or anything to Bar stool. like I could go just retrench in Boston and like get my own deals and kind do it I wouldn't like necessarily Civil War, I mean more like I wouldn't want to work for them without you. Yeah, right, right, right. You know I mean? Like I would go with you I'd be like I'm not working for a churning company without Dave here. Yeah. What you see now a little bit Dan too in PFT to agree. It's like one of the weird spots during the churning years for me is I am involved in negotiating contracts Theoretically, I'm like management. so the better deal for the company is better, but I'm also talent. So it's like not good for me either because when mind's up, it's like I want to get a deal. So yeah, the it if without the gambling thing It probably doesn't, it doesn't all happen in the end of the churn in I mean, I like curnts I try I think they're going to be a little bit like, o we didn't know D felt this way about how that all ended. but I didn't love the way O o Like I didn't love the way it all ended with Churner. I thought there was too much negotiation and too much like I guess not thank you. We just made you a boatload of money and we all have to work our asses off, by the way and aren't getting paid up frront. So I was a little I guess it was eye opening. Yeah was the end done And and's your friend. Like I think we are unique in that we really do try to do right by people, but that is not Like if someone invests in you, they they're trying to get every nickel out of and that surprised me a little. That's one thing I covever too from my perspective is like the negotiation process and talking to people at different companies and having to go through that experience to really understand the vibe from them and really understand what it would be like working for somebody else as opposed to like here at Barstool it's quite literally the best place to work It is It's the best environment in terms of a boss. I've told everybody this like you are a great boss to have you trust your employees to go out there and do their job, which is very rare. You don't have micromanagement And yeah, it feels like there's a lot of risk out there. if you were to go anytime you sign a business deal. And when you signed with Penn, I'm sure that there were some things that they promised that didn't end up being like exactly what they said at the time because they're trying to impress the shareholders and all that. And then when they when they sell the company back to you for a dollar Um do do they make that offer to you or do you say, hey, I hear you might need me to buy it back That's all covered in it, but which I thought would be the biggest story of the book That was That was my offer to them basically being like, all right, well, we're going to have to figure out a way to make this happen. You guys going on ESPN I'm not going to go really quietly into the night. So how do we make this work where you guys get what you want? We get what you want I mean and even to the the what you just said of like how Barcel works and over the years. and sometimes I got step take a step back. I'm not great at it. But that's why me and Michael Klein butted heads instantly because he comes in from an agent world And I'm like I've been working my ass off to get to this point. I don't always have the answers. Like I don't necessarily have, how are we going to make money in the fure? It's like I know It doesn't always work, but with the employees like, just trust me. like I will take care of you. I'll do the right thing. I'm not sure what that looks like. And he comes in from nowhere and I'm just like, who the fuck is this guy And it is it is funny that you're saying this because like the business stuff that like churning, you know in your book, that maybe didn't end well And there is a business world out there where everyone is cutthroat. and I think it's been to our benefit that we are the reverse through the years and wars because you and it's in your book You showed me incredible loyalty when dealing with Churn in and like that whole process when when Churn and sold to Penn And then I in turn like Penn didn't really expect me to have the loyalty that I had to you when Penn, you know, that that fell apart and it's like, I don't think people really expect T deal with business people like we have on our side where we're like, no, we're just gonna like fuck you guys, We're just gonna stick together. It's the number one What has made us viable over twenty years or twenty plus now And this is probably the same as sports when you look at it, you guys PMT and myself could all make more money probably on our own. if we drop the idiots and it's just like we're going to take the most we can get. And just that's it. That's all we care about. You guys could have made more on your own. I could have, but we haven't. So we have the top bread winners and we lose some. notot everyone does that. like colold Daddy Bus and those and you can't blame them. they took the biggest things, but we have enough where everyone can be paid pretty well, enjoy their jobs and But if you guys were like, I need the most, I need the most, it wouldn't work. Like it just the whole thing would fall apart. at the seams and we wouldn't have the company we have. So and that also is what I know Dan at times drives you crazy has certainly drive me crazy. Oh yeah is you sometimes get the feeling like The Nicky Smokes of the world may not get that or like or people being like, we want raises. L the raises people ask for in our world. They come in's like, I think I'm due like a one hundred percent raiseed. I I actually apologize to Dave last year at Saratoga because I was like now that I've dip my toe into this and deal with people's contracts and deal with all these like people everyone wants, you know, more every single person wants more I was just and being that that push and pull of like kind of the boss, kind of talent I apologize to Dave. I was like, I get it. Like I get why you you were iss the people I even like Netflix Rillo, he couldn't believe that I asked him if you want to do the Netls. I'm like, you don't have to. it It's your podcast. He was like over the moon. he's like You're asking me if I want to. It's like, Yeahah, of course, it's yours. Yeah. Like we let people Like even as you guys know Netflix, I thought it's a great deal, no brainer. But if you guys are like, we're not doing it, it's like, all right, we're not doing it, even though I think it was the right move. So people have once you once you have a thing, it's your thing And we tried to do it together. Yeah, that I mean, that was one of those things where it was like, Netflix, the money is incredible and it's something that we do to be able to employ lots of other people that work here. H hundred percent hundred percent. Hank, Hank has a bunch of questions Not a bunch. I got a few. The book was great. I obviously enjoy. read the whole thing I read I so obviously everything from after I was there, I know a lot of it. So I kind of skim through. But the first I don't know, ten chapters are great. Like I love I've always loved the early days of ourar sl. How did you read it? Yeah, how did you get a book before anyone else? Awesome. I got like the preparation. I'm always prepared. Did you read didid you read Don Quixote No. But and I knew like the some of my favorite partarcel stories the Angel of Barstool and obviously Ian White, like the guy that basically started the website back in the day The one I didn't know about and like I feel like is maybe the biggest sliding door person of all time in the history of Barceol is Aaron Boyce Oh yeah. So Aaron Boyys This is like right when we started I went to the printer or the newspaper and I had my buddy Diitro have this like crazy elaborate design. and I just sent all the articles like as word documents. I'm like, all right, let's print the newspaper. And they looked at me like I was crazy. They're like, you need to put this into a newspaper format. One of my best friends at the time from Swan Scott, this kid Brian Hayes, his wife I his his friend's wife worked in the newspaper business and just got laid off at like the same company I was trying to print at. So he wass like, she may be able to help you. This is days before it was supposed to start. It's like, oh yeah I can do it She worked for seven years, probably every single issue from that day forward as like a freelance and we'd be I'd send her the articles that I don't know, like five on a Tuesday and we'd be up to like four AM on a Wednesday. So without her, I don't know there's a lot of those. I don't know what would have happened That's crazy. Yeah. insane I we to talk to her occasionally like she was interviewed for this and she's in the documentary, But yeah, I had absolutely no idea how to print or prodce newspaper. How many fake names did you write with? Because I know that you had to have like you you didn't want the paper to seem like it was all written by the same guy. Yeah, right. I had so many. Devilfish Dave, like that was the poker player or something. I probably like ten in the newspaper. Yeah. And then we wouldd get in trouble, like I remember. So my thing in the early days, which I' told Like I put Mortons Steakhouse And then I'd call like another steakhouse and be like, hey, your competitors in there, you better get involved. If Flemings was Flemings and Flemings called They're like, whyy is our ad in here? We want to sue. Who did. I'm like o Oh, the salesperson quit. I don't know how that happens. I'm trying to do anything to get any any advertising. the paper is three grand The horse k and Coodle was three grand to produce. So as long as I could get three grand in like al right, I'm breaking even, I'm living at home. I had no other expenses Yeah Uh and I mean the you guys, I mean, obviously Dan was involved like when I did first start the You guys were just bloggers, you know, the first four years, it was like you guys, the day in, day out was literally just running twelve blogs a day. and just like talk about the I guess the the art and balance because you guys did your own your own websites, your own cities in different ways like the What was your like Balance and art of the blog Well, we all had like the wake up Yes that ask in between. it depends if your sports are going, but it You try to balance sports and funny. and really, not everyone People think I say it as an excuse. I actually When people go back and find the blogs they think are offensive or whatever I actually think our track record is so good for the amount that we're publishing trying to be funny. We have no editor. And it's like that I always it's like youre going back to twenty ten for one blog when you've read everything I've ever written You just try to make people laugh. Like you look for weird, funny headlines The things I got the size six Tom Brady's kid, I didn't think twice. like I Wote, published, go and it never even registered. I had just done something that create like a major controversy. I just wanted to be funny. We We were doing nine to five every thirty five minutes new blog and then like we after five o'clock like you still had to do like three or four blogs. L It wasn't like the day was over. You took a little break for dinner. but yeah, you're right it twelve blogs a day every day Yeah, there's going to be a couple that are maybe a little offensive. Yeah. And I was locked in like you all said to be locked in your sports. So it's like you do those vlogs and then the Red sockx are on and I'm like locked in with my camera waiting for like funny things on TV, whatever it may be. like And then I'd blog Probably tntil midnight one to have my early on scheduled. so I wouldon't have to wake up and rush. and then you just go. It was Truly endless. And again That is W Like orr sliding doors our first floor before Dan Kemy, our paper writers were excellent. They were like really, really good. Jerry Oballs I have a good line about him. I'm like we called him old balls like twenty years ago. we signed him it was his eightieth birthday. was twenty years ago. Yeah. And then finding Kevin Dan K Marco were all fucking great. So like it was really funny, talented writing And Like we haven't found those writers in a long time trying to find that. We found them right away. Yeah, and it was it really it was so funny. I think back about it because I actually think like it was a simpler time where it's like you don't have a million things going on. All you got to do is worry about the blog. But the anxiety I would have when I would like Leave my house for like thirty minutes and be like, what am what am I missing? Be because we were all competitive too, like, you know, the reblogs and people Oh my go, the reblogs were like the biggest crime you could ever have. Yeah wrote something that someone else wrote. Whereas you guys had different beats. Yeah. L it was like somethingord This is bullshit This person bloged about Rob Ford.ike that's beat. Yeah you had your own Yeah. And even now, even at this, it's and I'm obviously doing not nearly. it's hard to be in and out like it's hard to have one foot in and one foot out. And when you put one in, you kind of get dragged in and want to talk. but yeah, it was non Stop. I remember my first vacation. And this wasn't the troll one like broke. Yeah Yeah. Yeah Yeah you you're such a fucking piece of shit for that. You Yeah we hired these guys to create a whole new barstl and Dave's like, right, I'm going I'm going away I was first vacation. That guy, the Dev Nest I described it as when people said turbo graphic sixteen would be bigger than Genesis. Like he had some other code that he said was like replacing The internet and it just didn't it just didn't happen. and we're the only ones who went that route. it just didn't work. And he might have saved us a little bit in the end because he did he did delete two years of history of it N intentional but No they did on purpose. No, it was I was fuming at the Dev Muse. They were cooking in that office for like eight months prior And they would have these whiteboards and like charts explaining the code, which none of us knew what they were talking about But they were just this is how it's going to work. And then when they went to go, it just literally ly They banked on a totally different language that the internet was It just didn't. It just didn't at all. Do you think if you threw like unlimited money at that problem right now, you could ever recover what was deleted Probably because I think Like you if I send Pete something I want. he can somehow go back and get the individual by itself, I think. Like another thing we had, which I loved, it would get us in trouble. for brief time, we had a story spinner So you pressed it And you didn't know what blog you were getting from what year, what time, it just gave you a random over the hist. It's a problem. Yeah. I know. Those arely blogs. someome of them are like very, veryin. I remember when you when when you were like, your mom delivered all the newspapers to New York' like, Ohh we're gonna we're gonna to start republishing the newspapers. I laughed in like a minute. Yeah It was the twentieth anniversary I had ' them all. It's like, all right, we're not we're not gonna to do this. Yeah U All right. well, everyone go by the book. Cancewer me if you can. Zach, you got a last question roback question R HO b aK dot com promo code take twenty percent off your first purase CQips, pololos, hoodies, jogger shorts roobbak dot com promo code take. You ready, Zach? Sure. How are we doing today sir I'm good. That's good to hear. I did have a quick question. That's okay. You hit on little earlier in the interview that maybe in writing the story of Barceo in the book, maybe you unlock some memories you hadn't thought of in a while I was wondering if maybe you could share with us and listeners. mayaybe a small moment that gave you a good laugh in and writing the story I mean, a lot of things did to be honest. I you know, the book is about the story. so you can't spend more time on some things like Bosco always makes me laugh and he does have again, like My the lawyer because I call him a terrorist. they're like, you need him to approve that. I'm like no fucking way. I Rico Bosco to prove that he's a terrorist. But there's all the little stars the different characters and people we've had. through the time doing it. I mean, there's all it's a funny story and there were a lot that unlocked, but again, One sticking out right now? How How you roasts every basically any employee that you mention is is met basically with like a two or three sentence roast that I Could picture you doing your little laugh looving it. Y as you're writing it. Like every time it was like, theyave loves this. Yeah. Yeah, as I introduce new people I will try to do like like Hank said, a quick paragraph to be like who they are, why are they in their world? And why do I think they're a moron? Yeah. How much I do that real quick? How much time does boss will get in the book He got like one Well, what did I? Oh, I think I told you. where he comes in, I'm talking about ponder and the Pickham S show how much trouble it caused us. And I'm like, but that problem paled in comparison to the other problem that door opened the Pickam show, which was the caller Rico Bosco. did like a page of him basically terrorizing everybody. So that's how he got worked in. And again, it's weird because Our editors didn't know anything about us. So They would be like, you can't Like I had Tommy Lights in the book who was the Tommy did the Did the music toy wore a suit and like said he knew how to doize like you can't say that, nobody is confusing. People won't know who he is. Like our people know everything. So that was always a push pull where they didn't want me to really mention new people without giving clear like reason why they're in the book. I like I need it for the barcel. And I don't know how many non barcel people read it. I don't know Yeah, I'm sure there'll be some Zack. Do you have a follow up? That wass a good question What was the last time you talked to Dave Zach? Oh I said heold to him passon the last time he was in the office. Okay nice Yeah, that was why was I in our office recently March Manis No, I thought it was something more recent, but I think maybe a little later than that. Okay Nice I did have a quick follow, but that's o I do see you do like do a tea by the sea, you're out by the beach down there in the keys. I've also seen you on the boat doing some fishing. You ever think to maybe do some onshore fishing? Is that ever crossed your mind down there U, well, I'm in Nantucky now. I would not I would not onshore fish near my house because I consider those, even though there's like snappers and stuff, they feel like pets more than like fish to eat when they're like right in your backyard. And I don't go on boats ever since I sailed away That's completely understandable. And that happenens You didn't leave the harbor though, right No, I No. I shot a flare in the harbor in the middle of the day. Wait, last question is Max in the book at all? No, Max. Wa he was one He is going to be your guy. I know. bothoth those guys sitting there we. He wasn't close to ever being the guy, but he came in through like, I think we had five. We had the guy who didn't show up because on the first day calledege football. Austin was part of that group U, I think there are two more. Tivo. ye Yeah Carolina Mark. Oh ye. Carolina Markappe.. Oh yeah, Carolina Mark just disappeared. Oh yeah. Sady was Dyan. He was o yeah, sad But Carolina Markbody ripped way without telling anyone. No one realized Yeah two months. Carolina Mark was in a stream with us and then the next day he was just gone, poof. Yeah. Yeah U I'm trying to think if there's people I didn't mention that like are going Oh, I didn't get mentioned because unless you come out it's sort of got weaved in, it's hard to mention everybody. Max won't care I had zero expectation of being in that. Oh no no k them Max. He's not one of those guys who thinkinking he would be like, why why me? They do I don't know if N they do got a mention. Oh, Dave. That's rider of the year material right there The Ogasm before you callback was made me laugh so hard too his YouTube p. Yeah. Are you talking about McAfee in there Yeah, mediocre on McAfee. I think I explain that as was in like the building superstars and they leave and I talk about his exit, which We're still friendly. Iven've talked to him a bit, but it was little murky the way he he left here. I would say. Yeah. But yeah, I talk about him. Call or Daddy chapter, people will get a lot out of because I still think a lot of people don't it's hard, I guess still so mad about it. They don't realize how involved Sophia Franklin was in my business insider troubles. right she was directly involved. So Sperps in our book, right? PFT? Yeahes, Superp's in our book a little bit because he I went out for a meeting with him during my contract negotiation, which happened right before the collar Daddy thing And so he was trying to be like, I mean, he was he was doing what he was there to do, which is say like if I worked at HBO, like I could have a show and I could be, I think his words might have been the next Jimmy Kimmel And I was like, I don't think this guys ever seen anything that I do. Uh and then later on, I come to find out that there might might be some of the same promises that were made to Sophia that he was making to me And I saw throughom and I was like, I don't, I don't think it'd a good idea to split this up Yeah, that and they were in cahoots Kleent and I can't prove it, but they were friends. I mean, that that whole Yeah, the And again, it's the ag's job, but that Suitman, I've never even met myself. He does hate us. I still think it's crazy the guy who runs WWE now that like he invited me to go to a fight and sit with him right afteright after Yeah P andT blow up. It's like He was Ponder's agent. Yeah. Yeah. it's in againg, it's like I had to for anything I want to say in the book, I had to dig up and prove it. So like here's the article that says it was Nick Kahan who brought it to ESPN. Yeah Slide andors moment still to this day After that thing broke up, the fact that Skipper got fired like two weeks later. Incredible just that's when I'm like, o God may be on our side here all the way throughout. like the timing of that is just surreal that it took two weeks till he got he had to quit for the C Coke probleom. Yeah, the two times I felt like the biggest loser was one when we went to the Breeders Cup with Wes Welker and then the next year he got busted for doing Molly at Kentucky Derby and I was like he just didn't want to offer us any drugs And when we went to John Skipper's office and he didn't offer us any Coke. None. It's like he emty He probably thought we were cops. The loud Seaan story is very funny. Loud L Sean. like you want to talk about a guy who's like a unicorn. I talk about PFty dragging him out of the pool. Coke in his eyes They like, but was? like, Yeahah, he was And he's like He's arguably the craziest guy we've ever had. All time All time bar school party. That was a great party with portals and golf and somebody left a window openree and extreme detail. The window open, the blinds. Oh yeah, Bortals saw you getting Yeah saw a lot. Yeah. It's like it's al right out there. I that part there's certain people like just skip This chapter, that chapter that's en Gudgement D. I think that chapter. That's fair. I texted you, Dave Ran into her. in Vegas for Max' Batchick burn. I also saw lightight swwitch aloo. I thought he said Lu for a second. I saw him tweet like two weeks ago If anyone wants the real story Iive, go even talk to me. Hey L happppy Father'say. so I hope Lu's doing well. All right, Dave, thank you so much for joining us. and Go buy the book right now All right, I appreciate it see you guys. Dave Portnoy was brought to you by our friends at Fruit of the Loom. For some reason, guys hold ono their underwear way too long. Why? Who knows? But when a fresh, comfortable, well designed pair of frruit of the Lom costs less than your morning coffee, there's really no excuse Reresh your underwear drawer today with well made, well priced fruit of the looom, a household name for generations Trusted for comfort, durability and consistency highigh quality essentials made affordable. 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Okay, we now welcome on a very, very special guest in studio It is countountry singer Phenom C I say you're phenom I don't know. Do you feel like it? already arrived? I mean, ish maybe Sure It can go with that Yeah Zach Top. he's he's got your current tour is cold beer and countountry music? Yeah, that's the only tour I've had. I figure when I find a better name for a tour, I will name it that. But so far that's the best I've come up with. start with that. How long has the tour been going on for? We started at beginning at twenty five. Okay, so you're gonna just keep it being the cold beer and country music tour forever. Yeah. I love this. This is like jam. The beer justs slame. Yeah. Beer keeps getting colder and the music keeps getting countryer. That's awesome, man. So and you won a Grammy Yes. Congratulations. Oh So you're a star. Pom Penom and star Phenom slash star works. How was that surreal winning a Grammy? Yeah, it was crazy, man. It's funny. the country portion of the show, obbviously the main broadcast of it is all the pop stuff because that's the stuff that the general population knows and us Hill Billies from Nashville they have this pre telecast thing and We all sit in an auditorium and there's no organization about it. They just let me wander in there and I sat down somewhere in the back I was just watching and then they started callalling the awards I was up for three of them called the first stud didnentt win them and I was like, a too bad. And then the last one They said the title of my record ain't in it for my health and looking around waiting for somebody to get up. Oh shit, that's mine actually. And I pop up, start walking down and they got this like walk on music band on stage and stuff and So they're playing this song and I'm all the way in the back of this auditorium just walking down and thenen I hear like they're starting to fade out the walk up music and o shit, I'm gonna miss it. so I start jogging down there. and then I jog for like a hundred yards, and then I'm like, shit, I look like an idiot right now. I know's cameras going and I gotta walk. And so then I'm like fast walking. by the time I get down to the stage, I'm out of breath out of shape and whatever. So I get up there and I don't think I said anything that made sense, but it's just it's a funny they just rattle off awards so quick for all the like not pop music stuff that nobody knows. Yeah. it was it was This traditional country? Yes, sir. That's great. That's a cool award to get. Yeah, it was fun It's the first year they've done it. They just started it. so yeah, little iece of history to along with it. I'm very proud of it. Who did you Who did you be for that award It's pretty sacrilegious. I beat Willie Nelson. Oh for best traditional contributions. Yeah. Doesn't that feel wrong? Yeah That's really wrong. Ced up. Exactly really smoked a little too much grass this year. Yeah exact give that award to him. Yeah. So so your start was wasas it on TikTok? Like Yeah So explain that That's awesome. againgst my I hate it. It's so No but that's so cool. Yeah that No Well, no, it's just like I've never been a fan of the social media stuff. It's just a necessary evil. If you're an independent artist, it's the most powerful promotion tool that you have, obviously. So yeah, it was well it started on Facebook. I was late to everything. I started posting Facebook videos in like twenty seventeen or something. Okay. First one blew up in twenty eighteen. It just you playing and singing. Just sitting there, yeah, playingong old songs that I liked to do. Yeah. on Facebook, so then got a little bit of a following on Facebook, Rote that wrote the grandmaas on Facebook for a couple years and then I got convinced to make an Instagram in like twenty twenty or something. and I think I had it before then, but I like, I don't know, I was just late to everything. Didt posted much on there till later. My lottery ball machine. The lottery balls going. It's too early isn't it? Pick a number. Yeah, yeah, come on. G me thirty five. If you get this, let go This could be all time go twenty one This would be all time. What's a do you guys I used to listen to this show religiously. Oh, thanks for telling us that you hate us now. Yeah, yeah. fifty two close I feel like always used to be my like driving road trip thing because I used to spend a lot of time on the road and now I just get driving around everywhere so I don't like I don't ever in time on the road. Just tell the people who drive you around, like put Well, I know I should put it on. I'm always just like watching something on the TV on the bus or something. but I need to yeah, I need to put this on But I haven't listened a while. Are there any lottery ball like sticks going right now? Is We're getting closedten it recently. We're going Yeah We got on Friday. Oh had a boy. I haven't gotten it. Memes hasn't gotten it. Mes is very upset. Memes got mad at Zack. So do you know who Zach is Yes. yes. All right. All right. Yeah. So is that ye there's been a little bit of tension with the lottery ball machine. Okay I this yeah, is our new one. we upgraded And I didn't that's been a little bit ago now, has? Yeah. Yeah, but it sounds like a lawnmower when when it just pops on. All right. So so back to your start. this is very cool. So you you basically how do you get found? like how does how does it go from hey, I'm getting a little popular Yeah on social media to oh shit, this is now a real thing that's going to maybe happen for Yeah, it it was like right as I I was posting for a few years, I guess. and then in ring of twenty one, I think was March of twenty twenty one. I finally moved full time to Nashville. I was living in Colorado before that work in construction from Washington originally. anyway. moved to Nashville spring of ' twenty one and like three weeks after that had some video of a I it' was a Tracy Lawrence song or something blew up on TikTok and the my publisher, now somebody that worked for them found me off that video and asked me to come have a meeting. so I went in and had a meeting. you know, of course it was COVID times and whatnot. So we showed up at the back of their office there on Music Row and all sat in a circle and chairs in the parking lot and I sat around and played a few songs and stuff, stuff that I've been writing. and so they basically offered me a deal on the spot. So it's incredible. Yeah you know, just writing, u full time and then play little shows here and there and whatnot and then it was still just yeah grinding it out on TikTok. but And then it kind of turned into, I guess in twenty twenty two We released my first single was Coldbeer in Country Music. and Then that all shoot what was it? Yeah, released a few songs that fall spent all a twenty three just releasing stuff and twenty three was the first time I got like kind of full time on the road that fall And then Spring of twenty four put out my first record, which is Colbear in Country music. you know, I just can't get away from it. But yeah. And then yeah, it's been, I don't know, we were on the Laney Wilson tour for most of twenty twenty four And then last year we did my first headline tour, did a bunch of clubs in the u Yeah, in the spring of twenty five, I guess. And I DM you when we played what did we play Rosemont? What is it? Joe's Joe's Joe's on Weed Rosemont Yeah. Yeahah Yeah two of them Yeah. Played there. I hollered at you. I wanted you to come to the show never got a reply. Wait wa wit, where was it on Instagram? Yeah, would have been I don't look at my Instagram DMs. No, I don't either. so okay No, I'm just m. So that's No, no, I literally I like purposely don't look at them because I just assume every time I look at them, it's going to be a bunch of people being like, fuck you dude. Yeah So yeah, yeah, yeah no doubt hate you like why I'm sh this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. you know, so it's not I'm not putting myself Not at all. Okay I'm just messing with you. But yeah, and then We went on tour with Dirk Spantley last summer and then did our first arena tour last fall and then I don't know. Arena tour now. That's awesome It's very cool. And I've been listen to your stuff and what I like about it, I'm a big fan of nineties country music. Yeah. Like late eighties Yeah early to mid nineties country music. To me, that's when I really love the genre. And it sounds like you're making like a concerted effort. that's like I can tell that you love that type of music too. Yeah. when I listen to your songs. It's nice to hear. Can you explain to us like the evolution of country music since, say nineteen ninety and because we are seeing like a little of a the pendulum swinging back Yeah to that type of genre but for a while I was like, country how did you decide like this is the sound that I want to get? Well, it wasn't a decision or like a calculated That's just what comes out of me You're exactly right. I like that's what I grew up on this kind of P part of the stuff that made me fall in love with country music, but I mean, even more than that it was older stuff, like all the way back to in the fifties and sixties, I remember I was probably ten years old or something. parents gave me a box set of George Jones stuff from all the Um Probably no one will know. anyway, George Jones,' one of the greatestry singers ever. But, you know, he started back in the late fifties, I think. Anyway so I was like learning all that stuff before I was paying much attention to any Allen Jackson or George Straight was the first thing when I was really little. He was my parents favorite, so I heard a ton of his stuff Um, and Amarilla B Mora was the first song ask to learn how to play on guitar Anyway But yeah, it's it was not a calculated decision at all. It's just kind of what ends up coming out of me when I write and play and sing for better or for worse. But you're exactly right. it's I mean, I think country has always been that way and maybe most genres are, but country feels like it's always been cyclical, like back in the I don't know D seventies and eighties, people were complaining that Kenny Rogers was ruining country music and took George J or George Straighton and Randy Travis coming along and they were saving country music, you know, all the way back then and now Kenny Rogers seems like pretty traditional country music But uh I don't know, it feels like it always does that. It's kind of like Country music finds like some new wacky edgy sound, chase that for a little while, and then people eventually feel like, ah yeah, but let's get back to what we know and love and like where this all came from I feel like that's, yeah, kind of where we are right now. I mean, since probablybably Yeah, twenty ten was kind of where like Florida Georgia line was the first big like they blew the doors open with that sound and it was a move fresh thing, you know, between them and Luke Brian and Um obbviously Morgan Wallen is kind of the peak of his powers now Um Maybe maybe he's not at the peak yet, we'll see. But you know, I feel like we've been rolling on that for fifteen years and ye now people are kind of Let's kind of get back to come back came from. Yeah come back home a little bit. But yeah, I feel like like back in the late eighties, more so of like mid nineties Garth Brooks was like the Morgan wallen back then. Oh, big time. You had the traditionalry music fans that were like, I don't know about all that. and then back and it' swing. Yeah, it's fascinating way to look at like a genre evolving And then being traditional then evolved from that. And So you get all these different branches of country music. What's the difference between country and Western? I've always wondered that Western is kind of like the Texas swing thing old Bob Will's stuff I'm trying to I think how to describe it's really, really heavy fiddle music And it's like that It's almost like more Jazz influenced, I think. as far as, you know, like I grew up in a Bluegrass background. that's what I grew up playing and Um Can you play the banjo I tried I I not good. Yeah. Yeah. it's awesome. It's so much fun. And we still have like in our shows, we do a little section in the middle of it where we bring out an old old fashioned looking condenser mic and we all gather around. everybody comes down from there amps and their drums and plugged in stuff, we all grab acoustic instrument and and play a few songs there in the middle of the set to kind of yeah, pay homage to my roots or whatever. But yeah, Western is the Western swing in People talk about country and Western. The music that sounds like a train a little bit. Ish Yeah, it's it's uh Yeah, it's almost like it's country's version of big band music. Okay. That makes sense. And what would you say? what would be the u The Mount Rushmore of Country Music songs Mount Rushmore, I guess countountry music songs. Stone Mountain Georgia of countountry music songs. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly. That's Yeahah, we are in Mat Rushmore season, aren't we? We are Well yeah Yeah, Cana. We're in the thick of it. Yeah. just thick of it. Yeah Um The Mount Rush M of countountry music songs It's hard, I mean, I think you al said actually What did I say? Amarilla by morning? Yeah, that's a I mean, yeah, my Mount Rushmore. I'll go Amarilla by morning. And then I would probably go If drinking don't kill me George Jones her memory will. Um And then I would go between an old memory and me. Keith Whitley And then I would go Gott to be a Maroe Hagard song in there. Let's go with Um Today I started loving you again That sounds like a good Mount Russian very. I don't know any of those. No I know the Birl haager. Okaykay fair enough. I thought you were gonna to go Mama tried, but that's like yeah, I think that's kind of like a square pick for This is your personal Mount Rushsia. Yeah ye Yeah, if you're going to go just like the Peop's Mount Rushmore, it's going to be stuff like Friends in Low Places and you know, like the big bar anthems. Yeah What so, so you you sung the anthem for the NFC Championship. Yes this year. Were you nervous for that? Yeah, dude. That's the What were you more nervous for? The game or or the singing the anthem Because you'reing the air Chawkss Murners fan. Yeah, yeah. Dude, that was crazy. That's the first time I've been to a seeahawks game, actually in person. We grew up went to a bunch of Mariners games and stuff, but I'd never been actually to the stadium to see a game live for the Seahawks. So that was awesome. I was pumped about that. We got to be we were pretty close down. We were like five rows back from the field or something. It was yees, so much fun right there by the fifty yard line U But yeah, doing the anthem is I think the most nerve wracking thing I got to do now because it's most of the time For one thing, I always feel like by the third or fourth song of my set, I'm like, all right now I'm settled in room Yeah. And it's like the first few songs It's not like they go badly or something, but I'm like all high on adrenaline stuff and it's like takes me a second to settle in. it feels like The anthem For one thing, you got no band with you I mean, I did it, you know, I could have played guitar on it, I guess, but I just sang it off a ppellet. It just feels like you're naked up there and there is nothing to cover you up. Y. It's like it feels like it's fine until they finally say and now to do the anthem R Oh shit. And you can't fuck it up. If you fuck out then you end up on one of those YouTube compilations of the worst anthems ever Yeah, I'm so paranoid about forgetting words. I fucked it up those really. Yeah. and it was actually like a World War two vet, which there' not a lot of those lou No it was about ten years ago when Dave and I did the inter a Windy City Thunderbolts C. Yeah. And he came up and was like, I served in the Navy in World War two, It was like race through air I can't remember. he was like one word I've screwed up Yeah pointed it out. And I was like, God, fucking damn. Yeah guy wrong guy to screw up Yeah in front of God. Yeah, that would I mean, you're just going to get crucified if you mess up the word. So I have not done it yet. I've done a few different sports games doing the Anthem. Yeah. But that was that was definitely the biggest. And an awesome football game after that. Oh God, it was so fun. Yeah. It was incredible. So in like the Seattle area, like is it is it country when you get out of Seattle? like it for sure. Yeah. And I grew up kind of like I'm from a town called Sunnyside It's kind of down on the east side of the state out there, it's just nothing but rural. We got no big cities over there. The closest one, I guess is U Sokane, but that'd be I don't know, two and a half hours from there. Yeah. So yeah, it's just nothing but farmland. Yeah, I grew up on a farm and my dad has always been in the cow business and Ran a sail barn and stuff. So I also saw that you went to and you mentioned that you went to University of Colorado Boulder for engineering. Yeah and then dropped out after a year. Yeah. So you just like I didn't even know they offered engineering in Colorado. you just like The we' too good? Why would pass? Be I Yeahah, like like I can't imagine it being like engine being an engineer or like parting in Boulder Colorado like that's a no brainer you too Boulder Colorado. It's I feel like I missed out on a lot of fun at Colorado. This may come as a surprise, but I was quite a I was quite a nerd back in the day. Really? Homeschool going up No way. Yeah, it was very academic. like I was I was I did a couple years of community college first, came in did a year at Boulder and had only one year to finish my engineering degree And then decided I'd never wanted to do that again, I guess and just wanted to play and sing, which is was always the goal, but it was like that was when You know, social media was starting to be a thing and so it felt like I had a way to go get the music out or whatever. U, But yeah, I did almost no partying Um I had a few I found the other three. Uh Rednecks that werere going to Boulder. I never know, I don't know why I didn't go to CSU. I probably would have fit in a lot Yeah there a little more speed. Yeah, exactly. But the yeah, I found the other three that were going to Boulder and we ended up living together. So I mean, we would just hang out at our house and drink beer on the roof and noise It's an awesome city. Oh awesome. So so much fun city. All right,'s wait, you were homeschooled. Do you you have siblings? Was it Yeah. So youer brother, two older sisters. Okay. now Don't take offense this question U, every kid ever has that moment when they're in like first or second grade where they get a crush on their teacher. Yeah So what happened? I guess I never had that. Are you sure? It's okay. This is samee I would have to think back. Exactly. We've all had Yeah but we're like Oh the teacher like I kind of like her. I'm trying to yeah, I'm trying to think if I had another u There was definitely I probably would have got it from like my friends older sisters at ye church Okay. Okay, that makes sense. Also it probably they played their piano up there and stuff Yeah Yeah. It makes it easier because every kid like you probably don't realize this because you didn't go to regular school. everyvery kid has a moment where they accidentally call their teacher mom Oh suuper embarrassed by it. Yeah. you had no problem. I cann't get away with either. Yeah. ye. Yeah. you run into your teacher in the grocery store and you're like, what's going on? Yeah. there's no chance that you actually shop here. Yeah I thought you lived at the te I was in there grabbing my ear and dragging me around through the aouse. So so your dad raised cattle. So were you a cowboy No. I've had this discussion many times U I would never call myself a cowboy. I have done some cowboy ish things gotot to grow up around it a lot, but I've seen enough real ones to know that I'm not a real one Is the most our boy thing to say, though I know like no, I would never say that. I have too much respect for cowboys. Yeah, maybe yes, I definitely have a lot of respect for them and know that I am bad at what they do. But I do like to do it for recreation.'s O of the most fun things. It seems like a very tough job too. Yeah, for sure. I think a lot of people don't realize that they're actually cowboys that are responsible for Oh for sure. Yeah we all have like such a romantic a romanticized kind of picture of what it is. It's just, you know riding along some ridge line in the sunset and then making a campfire and sleeping on your saddle But yeah, no, it's it's definitely it's hard work and and yeah, like guys those guys got to be Uh so knowledgeable It always strikes me like when I go back Every year to in the spring we'll brand the cabs And I love going back for that go back, help them gather. So you know, we got I don't know what five thousand acres of pasture that we're gathering three hundred and fifty pairs out of Um, There's a lot of ground to cover on horseback and we're bringing them in and like Th these guys will just they'll see some calf like three hundred yards away and it's like, Ah, that thing's sick. We got to go doctor it and it's like, What are you talking about? It looks normal. And sure enough, wander over there, catch the cf and it's, yeah, gota run nose or, you know, butt's all shitty or whatever Yeah. And yeah, it's just like The amount of stuff that they know how to do and can just see and then know how to fix it too, pretty it's pretty wild. Did you want to be a cowboy when you're growing up or did you want to be a course music singer Well, I think that's what like That's what originally got me into country music was like we got to do a bunch of cowboy stuff. we' go gather cows, we' go to brandings, we you know took care of animals. And so the first stuff that I loved was cowboy songs. I mean Emmerily Little bit Morne,' a rodeo song loved a bunch of old Marty Robin stuff. He had a record called Gunfighter Ballads and trarail songs. It's basically just old West ballads and That was I just love cowboy songs. and I think that eventually morphed into Well, I think I realized pretty early on I was no good at being a cowboy. Maybe the closest I could get was to sing about him. You have a welcome to the Lague moment when you're trying to Yeah exact. to aowboy to get kicked in the face right? Yeah. I'll go pick up the I'll go yeah, I'll go sing about you guys from now on. Yeah. What's the when you're writing new songs is it like like a fire hose where it's just like when you're in that mode, it's just coming to you. or is it a slow process where over time you pick up a little something here, Oh this might be good here because I'm always just I'm always just amazed by musicians who are able to write songs and write so many songs. Yeah, how does that? I couldn't think of one song. How do you do that? Yeah, it's kind of funny. I feel like the process has evolved for me because for like Well I started coming to Nashville in twenty eighteen, follow twenty eighteen and then moved there full time in twenty one and then actually got on the road in twenty three. So twenty eighteen to twenty three likeike five years, all I did was rightite. I wasn't playing many shows, did a few, but for the most part, it was just stacking up songs Um and then in twenty three got busy on the road and then we put the first record out in twenty four. basically all of twenty four and twenty five. I think I wrote maybe a total of two songs Um just because we were so busy on the road and you're exactly right. It feels like a different mode like when you get in Riting mode then stuff starts to come easier But for those two years it was just nonstop on the roadple shows and I didn't really think that much about it. D defefitely have ideas on the road. like I'll get a little snippet of something and You know, I got a million voice memos in my phone. So yeah, always trying to like If something might be something, write it down or make a voice recording of it, whatever and then So like the beginning of this year, January and February, we spent a bunch of time Um riding and it was fun. We did a couple retreats, went up to the Mounds in Idaho spent a week there. R down to Key West spent a week there. inspir from different places. Yeah and you just like it's fun to when you have nothing to do but write. We just get a cool house and God me and my producer and we'd take we had a Th Four different riders out with his three, I guess Um So yeah, and then just all you have to do is just sit around all day and drink some beers and look at the ocean and write songs and it yeah, it's pretty awesome. It kind of yeah, feels like it unlocks you a little bit. Right. And it's fun to, you know, we'll write in Nashviee too, but that's more like you kind of treat that like a job right We're starting the ride at eleven and usually it's like wrapping up by three or four and then it's, you know, got to go get groceries or got to go. it's kind of you're still trying to unlock and be creative while you're in the middle of just like running errands and having a normal day. doing big trip like that where you just have nothing to do. Yeah Be creative is it feels like it's I don't know. I enjoyed it. It was my first time doing it. I feel like we wrote some of the best songs that we've written U Yeahah, excited to eventually put those out. All right. I got a dumb question for you. Is there when you're looking at like your Spotify data. Yeah and is it like summertime is just a big peak? for country music. Yeah. there is definitely like a certain like I always like I love radiohead. Yeah willll never listen to radiohead on a sunny day. No, sure. You know what I mean? Like you just can't do that. Yeah Yeah, I think I mean, you definitely see it with specific songs in my catalog. We pay attention if it really fluctuates a bunch It'd be funny if it was like fromadind like to summer. Yeah It would make s It really like day to day of like, oh, today's like a really sunny day. Yeah Yeah in the south. Oh, today there's there's tornadoes or there's exacties Yeah and no one's listening. be good to watch. Yeah. ye. definitely yeah. we've got a bunch of goofy summer songs that Yeah, as soon as May hit all of a sudden they like people forgot about them all winter long. Yeah right They start coming back sppring break. You can tell exactly for sure exactly. Yeah They start wearing out good times and tan lines. Yeah It's actually a genius move for you to name it toour cold beer and country music because I would imagine that everybody that goes to see your show like they are fans of cold beer and country music So they're not going to say, hey You like C beer in countountry mus, they're not going gonna be like no. No's going Yeah exactly. Yeah because they're afraid maybe someone's going to misunderstand if they over hear. Yeah exactly. I love it, D. Hey, Hy, you know me. You know me. Yeah. It's interesting like the songwriting process, you go out you have you know, these experiences you get out of the office, so to speak a little bit and you come back with songs that you think are going to be great.. and then you record them can after you record these these songs that you uh, you know, you love playing, you love singing. Yeah. Do you listen to him again after you lay him down Yeah. I mean, especially like in the process of mixing them, like right after we record them. will spend a while, you know, just getting them basasically just a sound And I don't know what I'm talking about, but I just say dumb stuff and than my engineer, Matt Rovey, shad out Matt Roveie he figures out what I'm wanting to hear and he knows the knobs to turn and the faders to push to, you know, make it sound like I want it to sound. So we spent a bunch of time listening in that process. Once they're like once we actually release them, I don't feel like I listen to them anymore. but before then, like I've got a bunch of stuff stacked up right now that's u we haven't released yet. And I like every now and then I'll just listen through those because I love them and Um you know, trying to figure out what the what's going to be included on the next record and all this kind of thing. So yeah. I'll listen to them a good bit up until there released Then they become the Peoples. Yes. Th thenen they're the Peoples. They are no longer mine. Has there been a song that that you wrote that you were surprised became such a big hit Like when you're like, okay, it's good, but you know, might not be the best thing I' ever done, then everybody's like, holy shit, this is amazing Not that I didn't think it was great, but I mean, I never lie is my biggest song and I loved the song and thought it was phenomenal. No one picked it to be like the big hit off the first record. I had a handful picked out that I was like These sound like hits, these feel like you know, a commercial hit that people will latch on to And that one, I don't know. I thought that one was going to be like this is my favorite off the album. People aren't going to pay that much attention to it. but it's been there's been a couple like that. That one and then usese mee is another song. It's just like a Slow It's a cheating song. It's a waltz. It's just like nothing about it is fashionable. and And that people latched onto that like crazy too U once again, thought it was a great song. I loved it, but it was like, ah, this would be my little. sleeper album track that I love the most, but nobody will pay attention to. Yeahery cool. How sick is it that Cal Raleigh walks up to your song? It's the best. We love the Big dumper. He's been on a couple of times. a man. Heck yeah. Yeah so much fun. We That's been a crazy. It's funny, like now that I've got a little bit of notoriety the The entertainment world and the sports world, obviously cross collateralizes plenty And that's still athletes are still like superheroes to me. wild that guys like that know my music or give a shit about it. That's one of the most fun things And yeah, found out he was walking up to the song and then Got to go out there and Do a first pitch last summer, I guess Um How to go It was not bad It was it was up and a away They're a little l rubber Yeah, I was on the rubber for sure. And I had I was planning on like trying to lean in, put some heat on it. Yeah in case there were scouts watching. And then I got up there I wore boots out there, which that's a dumb idea. So I got up there and I went in the wind up and whatnot. and then like my foot slipped the second I picked my other foot up and slipped on that gravel and I was like,h I can't slip and fall and Yeah. Once again, that's one that like if you do a forgettable first pitch, that's probably pretty good. Yeah Yeah. people only remember the horrible one. Y. Y. abbsolutely. Yeah. I'm looking at this right now. It's not bad It's not It's not a bad first pitch. It looks like I have thrown a baseball before. That's all that matters. Yeah, if you were lefty, it might have plk you. Yeah. Oh yeah yeah. there would be some chin music for sure Yeah. I love that. But no I mean, Kal Raleigh' so much fun to watch. This mar' team nice dude ever the best. Yeah. Last year was such a heartbreaking post season guysud We were close, but we were right in the middle of our tour while that was going when in the I remember specifically the when they were playing Detroit Uh, what was the game? It went to like eighteen innings or something. Not that far. mayaybe Thirteen or fourteen or fifteen or something. Yeah It went forever. Anyway I got off stage. We'll usually come out and do an encore. And anyway, we finished the last song of the regular set. I was goodood night. And I like as I'm walking off, I'm taking my ears off and handing off my guitar. like no enncore. I'm going to watch the game. So we skipped the enncore I think three nights in a row so I could go finish watching the Mariners' game. But it was so much fun. I remember specifically that whatever that game went to away, extra innings we were sitting up there bunch of people on our crew that smokeed cigarettes Uh So anyway, usually we'll stand around after the show and smoke cigarettes and drink beers outside and stuff in Anyway, we werere stuck watching this game. We ended up I was like, how much will they find me if we just smoke in here? And like we'll see people have done it before. probablyrobably nothing. And so we ended up sitting around in the He had it so smokey in there watching that baseball game and I'm just like amped up sitting there on the edge of my seat, obviously just chain smoking cigarettes, watching this. It felt like we were like backack in the eighties or something. Yeah you goofy but man. It was yeah, that was such a Such a fun season. It's been so long since they've been good And like I remember u When I was real little but like already loved baseball You know, at John Oerud And u Ichio obviously was there and Rol L Bonz and U what was Bre Boone played second base, you know because you're too young to remember the like the Griffy Yeah, just right at the end of the Giffphy. I remember R Johnon Right exactly That was I know about all that stuff, but yeah, it was before my time kind of. But there was still a few of those like early two thousand team that were fun and sort of competitive then it was just, I mean, nothing it was tough. It was tough. Yeah. And I mean, you're seeahawks fan too, I assume, right? So when you sing that national anthem I would also imagine that like you don't want to screw it up because Sam Darald's watching you. Yeah. And like anything bad that you don't want to throw off his rhythm. Exactly. He's exactly. came over give me a fist bump as I was walking off from it tight mustust have not yeah, I must have not scowot it up too bad Did you theuperowl No, I had an invite too, dude. It was right in the middle of like I was bounced it felt like I was going back and forth from either side of the country so many times in like the span of a week And it was going to have to be like a fly to Nashville that morning fly out after the game because I got to be somewhere It's just like Yeah, I ended up passing on it, which is probably the stupidest thing in the world. Who knows? Yeah it might be forever, you know, till the Ss go back to one let alone win one. Um So yeah, I don't know. att the time, it seemed like the wise decision to u to maintain my health and my sanity. But also you know, butterfly effect, who knows if you were after the game. Yeah. it might have gone different. It might have gone different Um, Hanker Hank, do you have any questions? Yeah you talk in the beginning about a bluegrass, you know, upbringing. Yeah You did the the collab album with Billy Strings. Do you have Blue Gass music coming? Do you have more music with Billy coming Oh nothing on the books right now with Billy, but we've both talked about we'd like to do some more. I mean, that was so fun and that's such a I don't know, natural. I don't do collaborations very much, but that one is such a fun I don't know, natural thing. I mean when we spend any time together, we just sit around and play old songs that we both grew up on. So it is kind of I would imagine at some point we'll do do something again and we want to start doing Uh. some shows together too. It's fun to like I don't know, have Obviously I come from that background, but the music that I'm putting out right now sounds a lot different than that.. Do you want to sw switch over, like do some do some bluegrass stuff? Oh I will at some point yeah, put out, put out some more because I've got one bluegrass record out U But yeah, I'd like to do some more of that stuff. And then I like I feel like As I keep making these country records too, they become more and more acoustic driven and kind of like lean toward that. they're still very much country music, but kind of lean more into the bluegrass influence than, you know stray away from it, I guess But yeah, Billy's the frigin man. he's so fun to A. be around and it's funny. his guitar is like a emotional support thing for him. He just like you sit there talking to him I never has it not in his hands and you just be sitting there talking to him and you get distracted because he's just like sitting there listening to what you're saying and just playing the craziest shit right in front of you while he's not even paying attention to what he's doing. It's just like, damn can hardly hold a conversation with him, but he's so fun. Yeah U All right we got one last question. This has been awesome. Thank you for coming in Zach. Absolutely. Thank you guys. Eone get out there and your tour is going all the way through the fall, right? Yeah through the end of October. G see us some' playing in a tornado tonight We're not playing tonight. Tmorrow night, hopefully the tornadoes will be tomorrow. They're going to be gone. Here's hing. Robak question RHO BacKot com prromocode take twenty percent off your first purchase Qzips, pololos, hoodies, joggers, shorts roobak dot com prromocode takeake. Let's do a little Zack on Zack. Oh, come on. How are we doing today sir Wonder. How are you?' doing well man. I than for your time today. Absolutely. I had a couple of questions. I was cool to you. Absolutely. I was wondering kind of going from the construction site to Nashville and then into building that relationship with Mr. Chamberlain. I Is there a moment you can recall that like, oh, this is really about to take off. L we could do this full time and like Yeah, that's a good question. There's, I mean, there's I feel like a handful of moments I could pick out the first one for sure Um, was when I in spring of twenty eighteen, I put out a video song called Spilled Whiskey, a guy named Darryl Singlery, great, great singer. He died pretty early or pretty young, I should say, But yeah, he died spring of twenty eighteen and I posted that video of his song. and that was the first thing that kind of blew up for me And Carson ended up finding me off of that video and we got in touch Um I don't know. It was probably March or something of twenty eighteen and knowing what his resume was as a producer and a songwriter, you know, a ton of hit songs, ton of hit records And then yeah, the guys that he had worked for were all stuff that I was like a huge fan of. That was the first time that it felt like Like all going up, all I wanted to do was be a singer and just sing and play guitar. didn't have any clue. like my parents didn't have any clue about the music business. I didn't even know anybody that knew anything about the music business. So it just felt like this you know, far off dream pipe dream really. And so my plan was I was going to college to be an engineer and I'd get to just play for fun on the weekends if I had a good job that, you know, I could afford to do that. So that twenty eighteen when I got hooked up with Carson. that. was the first time that I was like, oh shit, if this guy thinks good. I might actually have a shot at doing this. And then yeah Moving Moving in Nashville You know, that's kind of a scary thing. It's a long way from home And it was kind of I didn't have anything lined up out there other than Carson Um So that felt good, but it wasn't like I didn't have a publishing deal. I didn't have a record deal Um When when I got that publishing deal and started making a check for writing songs, that was like Oh wow. There's more people that think I have something here Um, And I think the other one Um I remember the first time that we I play the show I'm going I don't know what the timeline exactly was, but it was sometime in A The fall of twenty twenty three into the spring of twenty four, I started being actually actually able to sell some tickets Um You know, it used to be youd get hired and paid a flat rate in a bar And then all you're going to do is play covers. people know, they don't know your songs yet. So I remember a song called Bad luck of mine was kind of the first thing that took off for me as far as music that I had released And We started being able to sell out these little like two hundred, three hundred capat places Um, And then they started singing my songs back to me. And I was like the most insane feeling. I remember played this place in Gainesville, Georgia, the Bot Barn haall. Never forget it. It was like eight hundred people And before we went on, that was like a big reach for us at the time. Like I was saying, we're playing these two hundred three hundred capat places and that was like That felt insane. that people were That many people were coming and singing the songs back to me. So we played this eight hundred cap club and Georgia. and They told me the show was sold out before we went on that night And it was like, I didn't really believe it and then walked on stage and sure enough, there they all are and I remember that night specifically hearing him sing that song bad luck with me was like, holy shit, if I never do anything more this is like so much more than I ever thought it I would ever do. So it's yeah, it's It's crazy. Those would be a few of, I guess, that was a long winded answer to some moments that felt like, o shit. This is adant. I love that I love that for you man. it's awesome. Thanks, de. appreciate it. Good job, Zach. G question. Yes, G question. Zach, thanks so much for being here. and ye byy the way, I found the message Did was actually Yeah, you were at Joe's on Weed, which is like I live like a mile away.ally that sucks that I'm now seeing it. But I did so it was from july eighteenth, twenty twenty four. go. And you said, you know, want to extend the last minute invite if any of you, PMT fellows or country music fans and happen to be in town come on through So I just replied, Hey, just seeing this we're in. I got you. We're good. We're good now. But thanks so much, man. I really appreciate. Thank you guys. said it a little bit, I think. but when I was working construction, this was my buddy that I was working with Trevor, shout out, Trevor and Trevor. He introduced me to the show became Uh Yeah, a religion for me forever. Like I haven't listened quite as much in the last like year, I guess, but up until then it is just non stop. I love that. That's great. Whatv what's Trevor do on the site U now he's big project manager guy Is there a chance Trevor is listen to this right now There is a chance yes I'll tell. If he's yeah, I don't know when it's airing, but I'll you tell him He better be listening. Yeah Yeah as a project. Yeah as a manager, he's probably doing a lot of leaning. probably holding a clipboard Sit in the truck, roll the window down every now and then and just look Yeah and then roll it back up. He's got time to listen now. But yeah, for sure. He paid his dues. Yeah. Yes, indeed.. All right, thanks so much Zach. appreciate it. Thank you guys. ennjoyed it So before we get back into more chaos, we got to tell you about something that helps people focus on what's most important Its Microsoft three hundred sixty five compiles. 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