Balancing Career and Fatherhood

Hello, you're listening to Parent in Hell with Can you say Rob Beckett's under? Rob Deck and can you say Josh Whitakam? Yeah Can I say something? This isn't about that. Okay . I was just thinking it. Gonna We visualize now and you don't uh that's not a fucking plug for visualisation. It just is. No we we we film this as well as audio recording. I don't watch it, so I'm not gonna try and make you watch it. No, no. I sometimes go on Spotify to see what the chapters are called. Michael, quick question, do you name them or is that AI? That's AI. Because AI is really giving you a lot of shit at the moment. Me? Yeah. Like it and the the last time we did, as at time recording, Spotify called what you did at the end and I thought it was I thought it was bang out of order actually. Top level comedy. But AI you can't really argue with AI because it's going based off like its interpretation of what it said. But the the the the uh the chapters Josh's lingering grumbles. Ha ha ha ha Which is quite loaded 'cause it's he's he's he's already mentioned this in the show, but he's come back again for seconds. You've made AI a feel human and experience bored. Yeah . Lingering. Is that the moment AI became sentient? Anyway, what I was saying. AI's going, I can't believe he's still sleeping on the floor. Yeah. Is we've you know, we're a megapod. We're visualised. Yeah, okay. You're yeah. Yeah, we're in the process of somehow clearing our studio legally so that we can move out of Spotify. Yeah, but we're still here. But I'm still, if you're watching this going, this is meant to be one of the biggest pods around. Yeah. It starts with me holding my phone up to a microphone. There's got to be a better way around this. I I don't know, I think it's fine. I think look, just because it's visualised don't mean it needs to be a nice visual. It's not like look, no one wants it squeaky, clean. It's not shot like a TV show. This is shot like a podcast that needs to be filmed. Which I prefer. Hi guys, big fan of your podcast in our family. Uh this is an audio of Zonder who is two years and two months old from Nicholas in France. Oh c'est la base à voy. Cell by Zavoy. Yeah. What does that mean? I was gonna say some French words, didn't he so just uh try to your language at school? English. Barely. Barely no I we did French and Spanish , but when I consider ing that at my school, I'd say I was mid level. Yeah. You you're really wasting time trying to teach that sort of level of people French and Spanish. I had a t teacher in year seven that didn't like me in French. Didn't like you in French but like you in English? He didn't like me in any language. Right. I don't think this is a brag to say. I was in a lot of the I was either I was either in the top group or the one below for most things. I was the worst in the top group or the best in the next group. See and I championship playoffs versus relegation candidate. That's where I was. Where I was sort of not the worst, but the the one above the worst . Yeah. And weirdly, set one in French. Well, this is the opp I had the opposite. Okay. I was League two in French 'cause this one guy I got relegated to League Two. And you wouldn't be in Lugan. And you know what they say about the conference? It's diffic ault league to get out of. You can't get you can't take the ball down and play. No, so I was stuck in the bottom thinking, this is not where I b look at the other subjects. Why would I be this much worse at French? But I can't get out of this situation. Did you do Spanish as well or just French? I like Spanish. I'm okay at Spanish actually. Tingle hambre . Yeah. I'm hungry. There you go. I have hunger. You have hunger. Um, today I have a hunger for candy kittens. Do you? Do you think Jamie Lang will bring us some sweets? So so we've got Jamie Lang in. Now I l that this is I love Jamie Lang. He is one of the nicest men you'll meet, not just in television, but generally if you get to meet him, he's a big lovely guy, very charismatic, very energetic, very buzzy, full of energy. And I remember him years ago on eight out of ten cats when he was like trying to break away from made in Chelsea and he wanted to be a T V presenter at that point, but then there weren't many opportunities for sort of a position. I I don't know if it but now he's become this sort of multifaceted he makes sweets. He makes sweets. He's got a sweet company and he's does a he done a podcast with his wife Sophie called Nearly Weds when they're getting married, wasn't it? Yeah. I don't know she kept changing the name of it. Now he's doing a reality show because he's had a child, which we're going to talk about obviously because his parents are now he's he's doing a reality show with his wife Sophie on Disney Plus which is like a mum and dad real ity show following them about. Yeah. Can I say something? His granddad invented McVeigh's And his granddad invented the digestive. Mike the thing I want to ask him is, mate, you're so rich. Why the fuck are you doing any of this? I really want you to ask him that. Yeah. Because I get that you know, I love podcasting and comedy and I think I'll always do it. But like Does he love doing reality TV? Maybe he loves doing reality TV. Yeah. And that's what I I'll you know when you and Lou do that reality TV isn't the only way me and Lou do a reality TV show is if it's just absolutely astr astronomical numbers that we I cannot say no to. I don't When's the when's the announcement? When's the what's the number? When's the announcement that it's ends with a nine? Oh that's high in it. 999 You know when people go sign a six figure deal . It takes me so long. Top of the top. Well, I don't know how many O's that and is that is that counting the point O of P? No, it's not counting the point O of P. It's never counting the point when someone goes, yeah, just sign a new eight figure. figure deal, but yeah. So f a six a seven figure deal is a million. A million or up to nine million nine hundred and ninety nine thousand so it's between one million and basically ten million. Seven figure deals ten million. No that,'s a seven figure deal. Seven figure. No, that's a seven figure deal's a million. Seven figures deal is a million. Eight figures deals ten. Yeah. So I want a nine fig uh nine figure deal. I want a nine figure deal to do a reality show about my life and I'll do it Yeah, okay. Actually , I'll I'll take the eight . I mean you could probably twist me arm on the seven. What if we do a reality show? When you do your inevitable reality show with Lou. The other day though, I did think this would be like Lou orders so much stuff. I was I was at the neighbours trying to collect it and as I was trying to collect it, a lady was turning up to give Lou a master. Right No but I I Lou never tells people there's a bit awkward parking of where we live. Lou never tells them how to park she finds it awkward so that then people trying to turn up and can't get round. Anyway, long story short, I'm trying to tell people where to reverse and where to go. I've got loads of packages that I've picked up from the neighbours and as I'm doing I'm walking, um a DHL man turns up and the a cardo shop and as I turn round my trousers fall down. Oh here we go. And I was like, this is the open this is the open thing. And women. But I'm not demanding women to see me naked. I'm just saying women should hold cameras as well as men. Exactly. Um what do you want to ask Jamie Lang? Um I do want to ask more about his granddad inventing the digestive. That's family. From the outside, he seems really locked in on business and business is his main drive. How is he going to balance that up with family life? Because most people know that something's going to have to take it here. Is he looking to carry on the family tradition of Oh that's a good question. Did he go to boarding school? Oh I'd imagine so. Let's get him in. JB? How are ya? Fucking I'm so tired. Are you? Yeah. Well save it. Let's just let Michael close the door . How are you? It's fucking mental. How have you done long have you done this for? Do you look good? Feel shite. Do you want a drink or anything? Have you got a drink yeah I have like a cognac. That's what you start drinking like when you just a little red wine oh my god how old's your child how old's my child my child is twelve weeks oh fucking hell mate guys it's like the most intense thing I've ever experienced. Like it's so in the the way like how long have you guys done this for? How old are your kids? Ten years, so eight years. It gets easier. Does it? But anyone that tells you it doesn't get easier is insane because I would not trade the position you're in for the position I mean. It's easier, but your your body and mind become a wreck. So it's easier by wrecked. No, no, no. It's easier, but you're just by ten years you're you feel like you know It's mad . It's mad . Like someone someone's I don't know who said this. Someone showed me with some guy calling it a Ponzi scheme where they're literally like, come on, come do it and then you do it and they're like, gotcha! So what's the chal what's the main tr challenge at the moment for you that you're finding difficult? Um uh so Ziggy. My good name. Um he's What is he a cavapo? Yeah, he's a cavapo. So many dogs call Ziggy. It's a wild . Um it's just it's just we're in the stage now where he I think he's got a little bit of regression is it called so he's not sleeping as well. Yeah, they they get into a routine and that changes as they develop. Like how much power I would have been like a complete dictator. I would have like it's just crazy. And that he's not really sleeping that much, and you're up. This is our routine. We have a little bit of a routine. Yeah. Right. I'm gonna give it to you. Um feed at seven P.M. Ye Yeahah. T gohen hees to bed. Feed at six thirty, then he goes to bed at seven. Yeah. Then he's up at eleven PM for another feed. Yeah. Yep. Then he goes to you go so are you staying up for those four hours? Well yeah, sometimes I do. Which is such a sort of breastfed or bottle feed or bottle feed? Now he feeds just on candy killers. Warm in source. Yeah. Speedy of that. That's good for kids, isn't it? And so now he so he's breastfed, now he's bottle fed. And then we do another one eleven. Yeah. Sometimes I stay up for it, which is a really rogue decision. Yeah. Because it's like nine o'clock and I'm like, am I really gonna sleep for these next two ho urs? So I don't. Then he goes to sleep again, then he wakes up at like two or three. Yeah. Then it's another feed. Yeah. And you waking up then out of a both together for every feed. Good man. No Because I wouldn't, but I feel guilty I feel bad if I do. But then I feel like But that's how they in the olden days. That wasn't happening. But you're a you're a good modern man, Jamie. Do you not tempted to split it and go, well I'll do eleven and two and then Sophie does the next one after two rather than you both doing it together. The next one after two is seven. Yeah, so then she gets a full night's sleep. But then I'm up at seven anyway. Yeah no but I'm just saying rather you both be in there doing one Yeah, I I get yeah. Sometimes there's moral support, Rob. Yeah, I know that, but it you he sounds like no offense, he looks absolutely fucking d devastated, a man. Come back from the fucking front line. Oh my god. And then I saw Rob, I saw your Instagram post. This is just before I think I had kids, or just after I had kids, which was that you it was something about, you know, it being ten years or whatever it is and it was the best thing you've ever done but the hardest thing you've ever done. Yeah. And I was like, it can't be that hard. It's so much harder than my job. Yes. Oh yeah. It's so much harder. It's so much harder. It's actually mental. Particularly let's be clear, our jobs. Yeah. Yeah, our jobs. Some people's jobs are a lot more difficult than some jobs. Are you currently filming your show? You've got a reality show about having a baby, three parts on Disney Plus. Is that being filmed at the moment? That is great. See, that's why he's good at his job. That's it. He finds that easier than parenting. It was also seamless. Yeah, yeah. I wouldn't even it was like it's a seamless. It's just a guy having a chat with another guy. Getting a few key details in. It does get annoying actually in day to day life Rob will do that all the time. They'll go, How's your tour? Calling a bromley No and then he'll do the full the full run. How's it going then? W dot Josh Willigan . Scan the QR code for tickets. So are you are you filming that now or has that been filmed or are you g gonna film it soon? What's that then? Thanks for asking, Rob. Apart from the promo reasons, obviously you've got the extra stress of most people having a baby. Do you have to wake up the camera crew or two ? Yeah, yeah. Guys, they they came in. He wants to be in every scene, that's why he's doing the phase. Fuck off so if it's a Jamie's a look at me trying to topless feed him on my tit. We can do this. So yeah, so we so we we shot a Disney Plus doc useries, reality series, which is a three-part series, which uh was following like Sophie and I before she was pregnant. Yeah. Then so we were shooting it before during getting pregnant. And then not well actually . That's on a different very website. That's a 20 second cutscene. Not even that . Um so it was before conception. And then um when we were filming it, so Sophie then felt pregnant, so they were like, Oh my god, well we should Oh, here we go. Follow the and so it was kind of great for them. So then we followed all the pregnancy and then a little bit after the pregnancy. Before the pregnancy. Man, I like women like I'm not just saying 'cause women are amazing. I've watched Manosphere. I know I've seen the Louis Thor. I've seen the Louis through like we don't know the first British astronaut in space was actually a woman. Yeah, Helen Shalman. Thank you.. Wow Do you wanna hear another interesting fact about her? Yeah. Yeah. Uh 'cause I was on a show with Helen Sharman, so I Wikipedia . She invented the cornetto. Really? Cornet. And that's gonna appeal to you, 'cause that's that's right in your biz. Cornetos don't have any milk in it. Okay. I didn't know that. I should have brought that up with her. Did you did you know that um the person who invented the tampon was a man? Oh oh all right. Oh yeah. Maybe Louis Tore needs to do a documentary on you, Jamie. Okay, anyway, so we were so we sh we we were shooting this so we shot the show and then Sophie fell pregnant and then we were shooting it during Sophie being pregnant and then we shot a bit afterwards. And I said the the pregnancy bit is is kinda wild. Yeah. The personality can change due to the hormones and stuff as well, which can make the relationship a bit more testing or easier. I didn't say it's better or worse. It's yeah. Sometimes you do a test and it's an easy test. Sometimes you do a test and you sort of do that test and go is this the person I married? What? There was moment s. There was there was moments there were like some moments where it was firstly I just want to say like Sophie will be listening, Sophie. I love you so much. And she was incredible and she was amazing and Michael. Don't edit that for now, please. But there were some there were some moments which are like quite hectic and I think because because y her body was changing and she also got something called um pelvic synthesis, which is where her hip bone became really sore. She also, because she's quite slender, she went it she she was heavy on the front. So she went quite big and to the point where heavy on the front. Yeah. That's how she wants me to describe it. Okay, fair enough. It was very heavy on the front. To the point to the point where in the mornings she couldn't get herself out of bed. So I had to we thought at one point I was gonna have to drill a piece of rope into the ceiling to put herself out. Um and there was a lot of that but then the real tough moments became quite testing because there were moments like she would I would do something wrong to piss her off and her reaction was like zero to a hundred where she would say she would say things suddenly like, um, I hate your parents. And I'd be like, Whoa, where's that coming from? But it was yeah, it was wild and amazing and the and the guys followed the whole whole process of it, which was really hard for Soph. Yeah. Because you're pregnant because you're siding up to a bit of a fluffy should we have kids? We might want kids? And it's really scary. Did they film the birth? Well , they they weren't in for the birth, but GoPro on. On your forehead. But not the transport. But this is I this is Francis Bor Great idea. We've got Fran cis coming. We've got Francis. Boudrois, what is it? Bourgeois, yeah. We've got Francis. Boudgeois. The train is leaving the tunnel. True, true. Come on south. We got we hired Francis Bruge as a as a cameo. Content, content. Also you collab with him. That's that's huge. Yeah, yeah. You've gone viral. Yeah, yeah, it's huge. It's huge. It's huge. It was a great decision. But um the we we were so we were in the um so we were w we were in the hospital and the whole it we we were trying to do it all natural and everything like that and then um so f they had to say it was emergency C section. Yeah. Which is really quite scary. Yeah. Like, oh my God, I because you already Francis is doing it. Francis is there with a copra on . Don't give him the knife . And all his reactions. Um anyway, that was quite scary. Yeah, it's awful because that's what happened to us. And it's suddenly you're in an operation and it's terrifying. But the whole thing is really scary. Yeah. Like like 'cause you you it's it's the only sort of situation where you feel completely out of control. Because you don't know and you I know a little bit about most things. I would like a little bit, right? When it comes to giving birth and I know nothing. So you're standing in the room and what happened with uh with Ziggy was there were complications and they said, Look, Soph , um, I know you want to do it natural, but I think you're gonna have to change it up, you're gonna have to do an emergency C -section, and she was so brave. I mean, it was like the most insane thing I've ever seen, like so brave. I was in bits, and I was trying, and I had to keep like telling, I was like, wife my eyes. It's like Noah's Ark. I was like, oh my god, this is like actually And then by the time they say we have to do an emergency C section, to the point where you're in your scrubs in there, it's like five minutes. It's quick. So quick. So quick. They really take the word emergency seriously, don't they? And and then our and our amazing uh is the fast service from zone six to the zone one London . And then our amazing um So quick. The mid what's his the doctor who does it all called Surgeon? No, it's called the R. Remember the doctor who did it was amazing. He came in listening to music to calm himself down. I was like To calm himself down? Yeah, he was listening to music but he was in the Like a footballer getting off the coach in a way So we had that in. So we then we were there and no one was filming it because we didn't want cameras in. But one of the midwives, who was this amazing lady, incredible. She picked up my phone and started recording the whole thing. Oh wow. So she it was like it was like Martin Scorsese had like directed, it was insane. So filmed what use angle is she getting now? She's right in there. It's also landscape. That's not good for Insta. No, but TV. It was insane. Guys, it's insane. So what what we what was captured was like this pure CK Barry, wasn't it then? GK Barry was just whole setup. But she was filming it so the reaction was like it's m it was so insane and real. Yeah. Because we didn't feel like it's just someone you trust a midwife with your phone. But we didn't know she was filming it. Oh really? So everything you everything was so real. And when Ziggy came out and everything's okay, and that whole bit when you're just waiting for the cry. And how graphic was the filming? You don't see anything, but you see Ziggy being taken up through the tummy and then you hear the crypto. Which happened for you? I went down bottom end to have a look and there was quite a lot because the cesarean also they really open up your tummy . Yeah. Um but we feel and then that's also now in the show. Wow. God. And then how long did they film you after? Because that the the the camera's gone now then. So the cameras are just gone. So just gone. So a good couple of mu couple of months, three months. So the cameras went like two weeks ago. Right. And has that made it easier now they've gone or it's it's having a having a baby while b or being pregnant, having a baby and filming a Disney show and doing that is a lot. I mean it is a lot. But also goes how many cameras and people are there? Uh cameras, sometimes two cameras, not that many people. It's very real. It's like the most real thing ever. And it's have you watched it? We've watched all three episodes. And how did you feel? Did it bring it back to you? It's like does that feel like a while ago already in a weird way? Because that's how I felt with having a baby. Oh, it's crazy because as soon as you you once you have the baby it's like you're so stuck in the trenches of just like figuring out what you're doing, making sure that that your baby's alive, like not sleeping. So you're just all in this like crazy wild time. And it feels like a long time ago, but it also goes so quick . And we've watched three episodes, and it's I I'm really proud of it. Like really honestly like really proud of it. Because I was really what especially with Soph. Soph is quite shy, actually naturally quite shy, and she's married some guy who what's her background in terms of not I mean is she as well bred as you what I mean um dad invented the ball, but has she got performance or anything in her background or like public facingness? No, so she basically she went to she came out of university, she went into Newcastle, came out of Newcastle, and one of her friends was on the show. So she so she was on so one of her friends was on Maiden Chelsea. She came out of university, she went into a job, she didn't join the job, and one of her friends said, Why don't you come do a made in Chelsea like season or whatever? Yeah. And she was like, I just don't really want to do it. Quite embarrassed to go and do it, but was like, all right, I'll go and do it. Is she made in Chelsea? She's made in Warwickshire. Right. She's made in Warwickshire or Cotswolds, Warwickshire Cotswolds. Um and she went into Maine Chelsea but really didn't like it. Was she in it much? Was she a bit like But that's where we me and her met. Right. So we met on the show. Yeah. And I for so many years guys I didn't want that to be like our story because I thought we were talking Chelsea too. Oh my god, all that stuff. But actually it's like our story, it's the coolest thing ever. So she came onto the show, um, and immediately I just found her hilarious. She's so like authentic and real compared to the case. Yeah, well, your podcast together's great. She's very cutting. She's just not that's your back down to her for that kind of thing. Which is what you need. Hundred percent, right? And then more of it, I'm thinking. More of that, please. Lou's the same with me, that just rinses me to pieces and uh Oh yeah, Rob's Rob and Lou are considering doing a reality TV show. I'm not, I said I don't want to. Also, by the way, I've listened I listened to it. Would you wait, would you do it? No, no, I don't I I would. No, I don't see this is the thing money. No, it's not. Well 'cause that's the thing you've got loved already. How much do you need it or just love the attention? What is it? 'Cause I'm trying to like earn enough money to not have to get so much attention on doing TV shows, but you've already got it. What's the motivator for you then? Do you like documenting everything? I um wait so going back, so I was so the reason why so the reason why I did Maine Chelsea was because again like Sophie, you come out of school and this opportunity comes up. How old to you? I was like twenty one. Yeah. Right and you forget that when you're twenty one those decisions like stay with you for like a long time, right? And anyway . Well not if that decisions to work in water styles. No, great. Great decision, do that. Rob Rob's work ing in an office job didn't stick with it. No. Yeah but great decision do that, right? When you when you're twenty one you do a T V show that kinda lasts with you for for a long time. And it's hard to shake that everyone knows you as that person 'cause hundreds what do you do to distract from that? You know, run through the desert for no reason, you know, for w hours and hours, you know, stuff like that. Do you like falling marathons and falling marathons? Falling marathons or wh It's never leaving you. I've spent something. I know, I know, I know. He didn't he didn't fucking go to the desert, he just ran across Britain crying. Oh yeah . I forgot about that you don't spend some mates or not, mate. Yeah, dude, we're we're friendly we're friendly now. Right, okay. Oh then you met up again on podcasting because you've you don't know what's real D in the paper. Yeah, and then we we w and so w I can't imagine falling out with you. Well I that's the th I I'll get I'll tell you that. I'll finish this but then I'll tell you that. So so So f So came onto the show, she didn't really like it, but me and her became like really close mates, and then I had just broken up with my girlfriend at the time, and we went to South Africa together to film a bit of Maine Chelsea, and she was like, I'm gonna argue about leaving the show. She was like, I've done a series, I don't really enjoy this, don't know why anyone does this, it's all a bit weird. And when we're out of South Africa, I suddenly like totally and utterly fell in love with that. Like I can't I I don't know if you kinda with your wives, right? Where suddenly you meet them, you're just like, oh like Fingers crossed one day. South Africa, is that where we need to go? Can it so happen? But we we fell in love. I fell in love with her, like you know when you become a bit like crazy in love. Yes. I was like totally and utterly obsessed with her. Yep. Beyonce wrote song about it, didn't she, about you in South Africa. And then uh because we sort of then we started like uh hooking up and dating and then she was like I'm leaving the show, so I was like, I'm leaving the show as well. So we kinda left the show together. Oh right. And we didn't want that to be our story of like meeting on the show, but it is our story. Um and the reason then we do another show, even though Sophie's experience of doing Benny Chelsea she didn't like that much, was that this one You got more control, right? Way more control. It's not structured reality. This is you Liz living. Has structured reality No, because it's still going with like uh real housewives and stuff, so it's still a big thing, isn't it? It's a huge thing, yeah. And now they've got Ladies of London. Have you watched that? It's a similar film. But that's totally different vibes. Does Lou love reality? Obsessed with the besser. She's a huge Hey U fan, isn't she? Obsessed with all the Hey U stuff. So who what's her favourite? Which one does she love the most? Oh she fucking she all rose. There's that one as well where they go up and stay in a house at the weekends in like n uh u upstate New York somewhere. Sorry. Hamptons . I don't know we know what that's called. Wait, wait, what's that one? I don't know. Is that a real housewives? That is a hey you Real Housewives, that Andy Cohen. Is it Andy Cohen next and we felt like the well we I'm just passing off what Rose said. They're i the the UK versions haven't flown in the same way. I don't think they've flown. Because I think the American versions they they go so pumps. But they go so Oh yeah, Lou loves that. They go so hard into it that they just like they don't care about anything. They just like where as Brits were a bit more self conscious of like what to say or to argue, where the Americans don't care. They're in it for one reason. So in America it's like Kelsey Grammar's wife, but here it's like the wife of somebody who plays for Burnley. Yes . It's not as glamorous. what there are no caveats from Disney, they were like just we're just gonna put cameras on you and just exist. Yeah, they were just like just gonna exist and do it. And the reason we did it is like say I don't know if you guys like w ever since I was a kid I had a video camera wherever I went. Like I phoned everything and like I was like the era of like home alone. How old are you? I'm twenty-four. You're not on eight four anymore, though. I'm thirty-seven. You're thirty seven. You guys are what, forty-five? So I'm forty-two and he's forty. Forty-five, five. I'm forty, he's forty. You're the same age as Joe Marla, and I think you look so similar. To Marla. Couple of rugby boys. But it so so we um so I was in the era of like home alone and think. Do you remember Talkboy? Yeah. Like those Talkboy Pen, was it yeah the talkboy pen and the talk boy thing that you would like we're gonna Plymouth how many times we've been working together with all I'm saying is e to to o We had a big video camera Yeah, but a talk boy was where you would record your voice. A dictaphone. No, no. You were a journalist. Like it was no when you were a kid, you had a talkbook. Yeah. Right. So I had that. Eden gays from Argos. Yeah. Yeah. He bought the book. Another fact for you. Everything. Another fact for you. Yeah. It's like three ADHD people. I love it though. Sorry. I could no I could do this. Imagine being in the edit. Yeah, it's gonna be great. Another fact for you, the Argos catalogue. Yep. Most um most sold book. Here we go. Here we go. You thought you won't buy it though, but you won't buy the book, do you? Sorry. Published published cash. More than Richard Osman. Yeah, can you imagine how many I used to be crates of them? You'd walk in and be so many of them. Anyway, that's my taut boy, I had a video camera, and I used to record and film everything. So you love it it.. So I loved Like s I love it. Behind the camera, in front of the camera everything. And I love the realness of like following life. Yeah. Like I don't I I just love that. I love people, think people are amazing, following people love it. I love that for other people though, but I don't know if I'd want it for me. But I think you would. Right, g be totally honest. Just hear me out. Okay, Netflix come to you and they say we w et dispatchers come . Let's be realistic. Dispatch . Dispatchers come to you. Would Lou love it? No, no, I don't know. I can't imagine anyone that would want to I don't think so, but I d no. I think we'd just get f stressed. But then we're going to explain something. Can I ask a question about that on the getting stressed? When you are having an argument, is there part of you at what point do you go, Oh, this is actually quite good content. Well not I'm not saying ham it up, but you know there's instance on here if you broke down in tears Oh it's good there would be part of us thinking this is great. Yeah yeah it's great. So what part of you when you're having a terrible . If something bad happens to me, quite swiftly I think that's great for the podcast. Yeah. Yeah. It's great. So I think like that, because I think like a producer, right? So when Sophie and I are having 'cause there's and there's a lot of real stuff in it, right? So there's there are arguments, there are like upsets, there are moments which are really g like hectic and emotional and like really stressful and ev everything's in it. And it's har sometimes a storm out of the door that's better lit 'cause you think like a producer. Can you storm out again so we can get that better I don't think anyone's finished a sentence yet. Sorry Sorry the bad old days and what the week. It's so exciting. I'm so excited. Oh , y but you know it's uh sometimes you get a guest on that you have really have to fucking go to the depths, but when you got a ready mate, it's great. Oh no, no, it's when the guest sits down and as soon as they say hello, you're like, Oh for fuck's sake, this game Or you go like how are you to and they go, Yeah, good. And you're like, oh God talk. Dolphins talk. And then you end up going, see do you like dolphins? Anyway, um I there because I have a producer head on me like sometimes there there were when you when we were having an argument or you know seeing the birth on our phone and thinking, well, I I do afterwards you go like, oh my god, that is actually interesting content because that's gonna be in the show and that shows the real life of it. But because it was so real and so off the cuff, you I wasn't really thinking that way ever. And also during the pregnancy, if I'm totally honest, and you guys have had this, there are so many anxieties.. Ye Yeahah . Man, it's like the scariest time Did you do your run during the pregnancy or was that just before? Just before, yeah. Then so if you got pregnant. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. After the run? Mm-hmm. Oh yeah. So that's the way to do it, is it? Mm-hmm. How many miles did you run? Hundred and fifty five. And I thought Can I be honest? Yeah. You thought Sam Thompson was doing it. He did it right afterwards. I mean a w I mean ! I thought he did it. What the fuck's going on? I'm in a WhatsApp group with him and Romish and Love that I could probably find the text I won't. But I can't remember who it was. They said I think Jamie Lang's gonna lose a leg here. Oh man, it was the most crazy thing. So you were I th ought I 'm gonna am they're gonna amputate. I'm gonna lose my job on the last leg, eh? Guys honestly on it so what happened with that was so so comet relief and radio one basically Greg was meant to do it last year so he's doing it this year. Right so he's cycling. Uh so they came to me and said, Do you want to Greg has to drop out? Yeah. Do you want to go and do this like comic relief challenge? And in my head I was like, okay, scene's quite fun, I could do that. The problem is don't know if you guys know this, people think I'm like a posh idiot, right? So I was like, I don't think anyone's gonna donate because they already think I'm heir to McVitie's. So they'll just be like, why don't you just donate it? And do you know the problem with being air like the suppose air to McVitties is I get the stigma of being a billionaire's son without any of the cash. I wish that was true. Anyway, so they came to me and said, Would you like to do this run? And I said, yeah, but it has to be really big. Said okay, what do you think you're doing? And I was like, W Iell did cross country at school, so I I'll do a big run. And they were like, Well, how far are you gonna run? I was like, Well I I reckon I could run to Manchester. And they were like, Okay, basing that off. I I just f felt like I could. Fair enough. Do you know when you hold like Do you know when you hold like a stone by like a lake? Yeah. And you feel like I could probably hit that tr like that wave. Yeah. And you're like you're near it. It was like I recognize you I could probably run that. Yeah. And that's what I was like. So anyway, they were like, it's it's a hundred and fifty odd miles, a hundred and sixty miles, and it's gonna take you five days to do it. Do you think you can do it? And I was like, yeah. So this was in the December guys. So what's that thirty miles a day? No, so it was just over yes, so it's f it was fifty-four kilometers a day. Right. Marathon is forty-two kilometers or forty-four kilometers. So but they told me this in the December. So then in January, on the first of January, I was like, Right, gotta train. Meanwhile th this challenge is in March. And I got on chat GPT, right, and I was like, How long does it take you to train for an ultramarathon? Yeah. He said two years. So I was like, Well I don't have a three months. Had it been announced? It just been announced. So I was like, I've got three months to do this. I was like, okay, well, did they not set you up of a training plan? Yes, but I had three months. And it was like you gotta and also just the way we are like on TV and radio, it's like yeah, cool, you know, but we're not so I got up and I started running. I swear to you, I I'd done like a five K before that and I'd done cross country at school. Yeah. I did one five K es not forget the cross country. Let's forget the cross country. It's fucking unbelievable. Straight down the King's Road. Pavement, terrible. Tourists everywhere . Running across Albert Bridge. Anyway, I um they were like, right, so we're gonna do this. So I got up and I started training, did a 5k, that was alright. Did a 10k, that was okay. I did one twenty-five kilometre run before it. I did a twenty five kilometre run. It was so painful and so awful. So I'm not gonna do that again. I was like, I'm just gonna go naive into this, because if I have if I'm naive into this run, maybe I'll do it. Yeah. And they were like, okay, well the first day's g onna be fine because you don't know what it's like to do an ultramarathon, that means. Second day is gonna be rubbish because you know what day one's like. Day three is gonna be the worst, because you're not even halfway through. Day four's gonna be better, day five you're gonna be flying. Yes. I was like, brilliant. Every day got worse. There was not there was not there was not one day where I was like, this is brilliant. I was like, this is amazing. Um on day three of doing it, and I always think that you need to like the the the g go for it, right, was always like this is for comic relief and like amazing people and I was doing it all for like anxiety and mental health and making like one foot in front of the other, like keep moving whenever you're in the depths of it, like keep moving forward and on day three I woke up and I was like exhausted and I was like oh my god and I was just I just can't be bothered to do this anymore I was like why am I even doing this I lost all energy I was so sore I could hardly move and um I got on the radio in the morning 'cause also doing the radio at the same time. I mean it was a lot and I was like, Jesus, got on the radio and honestly you couldn't move in the morning. I I was so broken. And I got on the radio and this young little sweet girl, eleven years old, had left me a voice note on the rain said, We're gonna play you this voice note. And this girl said, Jamie, you gotta keep going, I've donated my pocket money. And I was like, oh my God and she said, if you can get through these next few days, I can get through my chemo. Oh my my god, this sweet angel. And I was like, oh my god. And then suddenly the realization of like, what am I even fucking worried about? Yeah. Like you kidding me. Like there's these like little people out there who are suffering from so many different things, so many things are going on. And whoever that little girl was was the one that just suddenly like my whole brain switched and I was like, Well here I go, I gotta go and do it. Right, so mentally you shifted. Mentally it just shifted in my mind. I was like, right, I've got to go and do this. And so this little girl, whoever she was, just like got me through . But it was like and honestly that's when I saw all that's when all the tears something 'cause of that. It's like girl, that's how I was like, oh my god. And you know, you guys were kids and now I have a kid. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't even like imagine. Yeah, yeah, awful. Yeah. Fucking out in your pipe and fucking smoke it. So you ever do marathons? Have you ever done a marath on? So I've been on the front of World Runner's World magazine. But let's not go into the very stars. I was the month before. Get the fuck out of here. Look, I'm not saying you got it. It's not it's online, it hasn't got it on him.. It's tight on his chest Come on, show me, I want to see it on your phone. I'd say telling someone that you're on it is better for morale than letting them see it. I want to see it. Can you just just break it down? How did that how did that come about? Do you want to see it? Yeah, I want to see it first and then can you tell me how that came about? Okay . No. What do you mean no? Sorry, pause it here. Okay. Okay, so here we so this is Josh. He sort of crouched down and what I think is like it looks like you've just been made a prefect. That's like the that's like the the smile you're giving. And it says the best year and the gadgets to boost recovery. Find your and it says find your joy. Yeah. Josh Whitakan on keeping the fun in your run. I mean David Brent, you've been brilliant. That's not a direct quote by the way. Keeping the fun in your run. Although they w will look like it. Can you explain how did that come about ? They asked me whether I'd want to be on the car No, that actually what happened, Joey. You got your PR person to contact them. No, I didn't. I swear on my life I didn't. Alright, calm down. Jeez, bit aggressive. Ha ha He didn't like that, didn't he? Yeah. I thought it's having fun with running. Jesus, mate. I'm not pushing this. I swear on my life I didn't. I just have a joy for running I wanted to share. Yeah. I swear on my life. I didn't. I swear on my life. No, I don't I don't believe myself now. Okay. Yeah, so what happened? They contacted me. Yeah. My PR contacted me. I can read the email. We believe it. No, no. I believe. She said. Okay. She said um something like would you like to do some promo in Runner's World? And you're a runner before this? Well I'd r I run. No, I'm not a runner. Hang on, I'm so good. So so Runners World just plucked you thought Josh Whitaken would be a great person to be on the cover. Well I, didn't know it was the cover. I just thought it was like a little interview. So I was like, yes. And then she was like, So when shall we arrange the cover shoot? And I was like, Oh fuck. Is this your first cover? I think it probably is, yeah. Nice. Where'd you go from there though? Joggers World in a few years. And so then you did it. And then Harry Styles is on the next month. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty cool, innit? Suspicious, isn't Can we go back to you though, Jamie? Wait, well, have you ever been on the cover? Um I d not that I remember. Maybe. I think like you would have. I think I was on the cover with Radio Times or something. Radio Times and things that I'm sure. Have you ever had Heat Torso of the Week? No. Why looks like a fucking Donna Kebab. Have you had Heat Torso of the Week? I've had Heat Torso of the Week. Take your t-shirt off, John. I've really I had Heat Torso of the Week once. Yeah. Or maybe twice and just both times I haven't looked at it. Yeah, but you've got you've got you're pretty you're in pretty good shape and you've always been in good shape. Yeah. An athlete. Can can I ask a question about your busy schedule? Now your dad. Yes. Because you are one of the busiest people going. You've got candy kittens, you do loads of TV work, your own podcast company. Radio One. You're still on Radio One as well? Yeah. Still do it still pretending to aren't you both. That's tiring, isn't it what your what your big artist at the moment that you're enjoying on Radio One. Yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah. Man, Benson Boone? Oh yeah, Benson Boone. Sumber. Wet leg? Wet leg, yeah. Like who else do I like? Olivia Rodrigo. Oh yeah, yeah. And Olivia Dean. Olivia Dean. Oh yeah. The man feels like a woman that's not a twine. You're the man I need . Oh don't think we'll be able to clear that. Actually it's far enough away. From the original. So g like so you've got loads going on because you po you 'cause you did private parts that now someone else hosts that. Yeah. And then you changed the name of your podcast with Sophie because it was nearlyweds, newlyweds, near nearly pe