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We're talking edge today as we continue our position previews for the Eagles as the NFL draft approaches . Tight ends in the books. Edge today, different different group entirely. Yeah. Whereas yesterday it's like there's one guy at the top. Yeah. And then like, okay, maybe there's a couple guys you like on day three. There's like six guys who are gonna go in the first round here. Yeah, first ish. All kinds of guys who check all the boxes. Now, some of them will be will go long before the Eagles have a chance, but this is a fun group to go through. How did you enjoy the experience? Um, I like watching edge rushers. It's a pretty straightforward evaluation a lot of times, just in the sense that you know you yeah I feel like you can tell quicker if you're gonna like an edge rusher than some of these other positions. You want to see how they move. Yeah exactly uh body moving around and it's fun because you can put them into different buckets. I want to note two things before we start this exercise, like big picture takeaways looking at this edge group. First and foremost, if you look at Fran's big board, he's got one, two, three, four, five guys in the top sixteen. And then his next guy is at 46 on his big board. Okay. Which I think speaks. And I think it feels that way when you watch this group. There's five or six guys that you're like, yeah, I could see it with this guy. I think he's a first-round like type talent, maybe late for late first, early sec ond for some of these guys. And then after that, it feels like there's a big cluster of players that are like imperfect in one way or another. And you kind of have to pick the flaw that you're most comfortable with. I think that's right. There we will get to it. We're going to do the show today. We're gonna talk about some of the first round guys up top. We'll do a segment on the second day two guys that we each like respectively. Then we'll do we'll we'll bring Fran in and talk about some some day three guys. But I I I I there are some second round guys who I like and have specific thoughts on. There's a second round guy who but then after like edge nine on Franz board, all of those other guys are a little bit indistinguishable. I think edge nine was a good uh cutoff point af There's like there the there's the the this the small speedy guys over here. Yeah it's funny. There's really a big delineation. Like there's not very there's not very many normal edge rushers in this class. Like um, you know, if after the top, yeah, yeah, yeah. Even after the top, like David Bailey is like 63250, like okay, yeah, that's a normal edge . Uh, but like I would say Ruben Bain and Arvell Reese are also like kind of in one of those two buckets where it's like you're either kind of like a really big guy who doesn't have the movement skills, but you're physical, or you're a smaller guy, and it's like Nick Benito, like oh yeah, like this guy could maybe be like an undersized guy, but with power and explosiveness off the edge. So I don't know. It's it was a fun group to watch because of that. You kind of had to figure out who could bridge the gap. Well, let's talk about those three guys you just mentioned up top, because those are the three guys who it would be shocking if the Eagles have any chance to even trade up for. Now, Arvell Reese and David Bailey, especially, those guys are gonna go top five potentially. Yeah. Likely. But do you have any strong opinions about those two? Um, not too many. David Bailey's awesome to watch. Arvell Reese is awesome to watch. Um with Arvel Reese, I wrote, I'll let Fran figure out where this guy fits in the league. He's just fun. He's just a fun guy to watch play football. He had so much more power than I was expecting him to have excision. Listen, I think because it is a like it's it's a more popular position in the league now, but there are a few examples of like those undersized guys who move from off-ball linebacker to edge rusher. Like Nick Benito is like I mentioned him a second ago. Like he is like the trademark. Like if you're gonna be 6'3, 240, like you know, oh, he could be like Nick Benito or Hassan Redick. Like, there's not that many examples of it working in the league, but with Arville Reese, like I think it's gonna work in the league for him just because he is so powerful uh at that size, he kind of , you know, one of the other things, like you know, I hear Fran talk draft so much. I'm starting to to pick up some of the some of the the the phrases that he uses a lot. Like Arvo Reese to me like the size isn't a problem unless it's a problem. And it's it doesn't seem to be an issue for him. Yeah. I mean he's he's six four, two forty one. He's a little bit underneath, but yeah, he is he is powerful. I I will say I it's a little tricky with Arvell Reese 'cause uh Are you about to make fun of Matt Patricia? No. Okay. I just I would I would I would have a tough time if I were who who has the number the d the Jets have the number two pickets, right? Number two, yeah. Picking between Arville Reese and David Bailey. Yeah, it's because David Bailey is more a certain prototypical edge rusher. Uh you know, he's he's gonna be on the field. He's a he's a tick older, whereas Arvo Reese is gonna be twenty one as a rookie, but you haven't seen him do it full time. It's it I I find that that actually I think that would be a difficult conversation uh and a difficult decision to make who I would pick. I think the Arvo Reese thing is a little trickier than other than just well this guy's freaking awesome. Yeah I, mean it's probably going to take the right defensive coordinator. If it's a Matt Patricia type, you might see him playing like off ball and you know, being like the the guy running the pole in like a cover two and it's like, eh, I don't know if I want that for him. But he's such a good player. I think he's he he's gonna make it work. He falls on the right side of the like Hassan Redick uh Isaiah Simmons uh like spectrum to me. You know what I mean? Well yeah, but think about Hassan Reddick. Yeah, it took him time. It worked for him. Yeah, it took time. After four years. And they had to f and they just had to stop trying to make him be something that he wasn't. Yeah, I think that's probably reflective of the class. Because you're right. Like even Nick Benito was, I think he was what, a second round pick? Like you usually don't draft a six-four, two hundred and forty pound edge rusher with with short arms, by the way. You don't draft them top five. But with this year's class, the way that the board falls, I like some other edge rushers better than Arvell Reese. Um, we'll talk about some of them coming up here, but I do think like with the way the class is, you can overthink it with a player like him. He's been impactful in college and he's just a fun player. Now where do you follow on Ruben Bain, the twenty two year old as a rookie who uh you know plays with violence, is a little bit undersized, six two, two sixty-three, and has those itty, bitty, teeny tiny carnotaurus arms. I'm gonna use the expression again. It's not a problem unless it's a problem. Yeah, I know though. I it doesn't come up. It does not come up when you watch him. Yeah, but how many NFL caliber tackles is he going against ? That see, again, I mean listen, he is so fun to watch. He is and he is he plays with the violence that you want. But just to just to contextualize how small his arms are. Yeah. Okay. I've got the the sample of elite edge guys that I have is is the biggest sample of all the positions because of the chicanery of the Pro Bowl rosters where like linebackers go in as edges. So there are 57 guys here. And of the 57 guys who went on to make the all-pro team or an initial Pro Bowl team, the guy with the smallest arms is thirty one and a half. That's Melvin Ingram. Like we had a big issue with Aiden Hutchinson's arms when he came out, and they those were thirty two and an eighth. That was the third smallest of any of them. Only one guy is under thirty-two inches. That's Melvin Ingram. Ruben Bain is under thirty-one inches. Yeah. He's thirty and seven eighths. It's like his arms are really, really small. Yeah, I understand. That's why I go Carnotaurus, not T-Rex. I respect that. Um, I understand the reservation. I love the Brandon Graham comp that uh that uh Fran has in the cop in the guide, uh as well as Vinnie Curry, I believe. Um and I think that is like the type of player that Ruben Bain is. I, you know, listen, I didn't watch games and games of tape of him. So I can't sit here and say personally I'm convicted and like it's not a problem for him because it's not it didn't come up in college. His arms are shorter, like Brandon Graham. I just pulled it up. He was at 32 and a quarter inch uh arms at the combine. So even shorter the arms than Brandon Graham, but still when you watch him play, he has unusual traits and other facets of his game that I think can compensate for that . I mean, this is one where it's like, okay, in this draft class, maybe you Yes. Pinch your nose, but I would take a guy we're gonna talk about over him for sure. Oh, I agree. Yeah. Let's talk about him. Okay. Let's get to the big deal presented by our friends at Wawa, and let's discuss the two edge players who have a real chance to be there for the Eagles at 23 and be a Howie Roseman type selection. And I do think in general, if the Eagles are not going to take an offensive player in the first round , I would I would feel I would put like ninety-five of my turkeys on it being an edge player. And what, four on it being uh safety? Yeah, and that would that would really surprise me. Caleb Downs, yeah. Yeah. Or you know, Peter Woods, and you move him to the outside or something like that. Yeah. But um so I and so that is to say , Keldrick Falk and TJ Parker, Keldrick Falk from uh Auburn, TJ Parker from Clemson, Keljuk Falk, France top-rated edge player. Yep. And 20th on the consensus big board. And has it seems to have a chance to really be there. I'll let you go first because this is one where I I just I just don't get it. Yeah, I completely agree with you. I do I do not understand why people are slow to come around on him as a top top five, top ten pick in this year's draft. And I want to talk to you about the player first and then I want to tell you I just was Texan Fran this morning uh about a similar situation like from last year and if this could be uh playing out again. First, the player. He's six six two hundred and seventy six pounds. He's a Bruce Feldman's freaks list alumni and he squats seven hundred pounds. He doesn't turn twenty one until he's until September. Some people view him as an interior rusher. Fine. He's awesome. He's great. I think he'd be good at it. Like he didn't have insane production in college. But like Trayvon Walker. Seven sacks is a true sophomore playing inside. Trayvon Walker was the number one pick in the draft a few years ago. Like it is it is to me like he is he there's nothing and again uh the other the other thing I wanted to say, he's got great play personality. It seems like he's got great character from what's said about him. Like he's a young explosive pass rusher. I don't care which position he ends up at. I think he is a top-10 pick. Yeah, this is a he checks every box for all the things you said. Uh he was also he was a captain as a true junior. I think at the very end of his sophomore season they were like they were already moving in that direction. The the physical tools are there. He's got long arms. He's he's he's big and strong. He didn't run the forty, so we don't we don't have the testing results. Elite jumpers. Right. Elite jumpers explosive jumps. Turn as you said, turns twenty-one in September. This is a profile that we're talking about like, okay, maybe in this draft you hold your nose and take Ruben Bain at at you know twelve or whatever. This is a profile that is a top 15 pick every year. Yeah. Even if he is a defensive tackle. Like, okay. Like that's still valuable. Wins with power. Holds up against the run. This is a player who would solve a lot of problems for the Eagles specifically. Yeah. Because you draft Keldrick Falk, guess what? You don't really necessarily have to re-sign Moro Ojimo. You're going to you have your third down replacement as an interior rusher. Or he or Nolan Smith doesn't hold up on the edge. You have Keldrick Falk. Like I this is a pick to me that like you want to tell I think we overstate uh you know how he did it again. How that is do howes Howie ke ep doing this? Yeah. But this is one where if the Eagles sit at 23 and Kelgrick Falk falls in their lap, it is gonna be October and the and it's gonna be like, Oh my god, how he did it again. Yeah, yeah. No, it's funny. I I was texting Fran earlier and I'm trying to find the exact text, but I'll just I'll just summarize it here. I said if Keltrick Falk falls to the Eagles at 23 and the Eagles take Keldrick Falk at 23, then the Eagles will just laugh at everybody else in the league and all of the all of the NFL fans will be sitting there going, how did Howie Rosen pull this off? Like and I'm not saying I listen, this could be like a Michael Williams situation from last year where, you know, Fran's evaluation, I I think like the the upside play where it feels like how is this guy gonna fall that far into the draft? Maybe he won't. Maybe he will go top 15. Uh, and the consensus big board will catch up to where Fran has him. But yeah, if he's there for the Eagles at 23, I mean, after watching him, like , yeah, I would I would I would say if him and Sadiq are there. You take Keldric Falk there. Yeah. And listen, we're franpilled. There's no doubt about that. But just watch all the time. Just watch it. Not all the time. A lot of the um I mean there are a lot of evaluators that have him high now I think like you know some of the guys that I I made note of like who had him high today Nate Tice and Mike Renner they both have him listed at defensive tackle. So that might be part of some people's reservations, but I don't know. To me, he is going to be a productive pass rusher and then he has a very clean profile. I think it's I think it's yeah, it it is a super clean profile. It's a great fit for the Eagles, I think. I think that's I think this would be a a home run for them. Now, how do you feel about TJ Parker from Clemson? I like TJ Parker from Clemson. Um I have written here. Yeah, so he's a little bit of a squatty guy. Like he doesn't have like uh he doesn't have short arms or long arms. It's just kind of like standard arm. There's no red flags on this profile. But as a shorter guy with like standard arm length for the position, he's got that natural leverage people like to talk about. You're a little bit lower, your pad levels lower. The thing I loved about him, he's got really strong hands. Like you, he's got pop in his hands, um, where he's just more powerful than you would expect based off the physical traits. The thing about TJ Parker is that if you're drafting him at 23 overall, it's a little bit of like an admission that you don't find like high, high-level, high-end prospects at that point in the draft at edge rusher because he does not have the upside of the other guys in this class to me. But you're not going to find like Will Anderson at number 23 most years. It's not a home run swing. It is like I don't want say to take your medicine because that's a little bit too like uh it's poo-pooing the pick too much. It's a single you're yeah it's it's a double. It's like I know that this guy can be like a rock solid number two edge rusher in a rotation. He can play three down s and he still has like theoretical upside, but it's not necessarily like he's not one of these guys where it's like, oh man, he's gonna be an all pro one day. He is like your meat and potatoes edge rusher in a rotation. Yeah, I I had the same take you didn't is that I feel like there's a a as far as draft prospects go, a relatively narrow band of of outcomes for him. Yeah. Uh I think he's a I think he's a very good player. Yeah. And I think this is one where unlike Keljack Falk, this one would come down to would you rather have a good player at a premium position or a potentially great player at a non-premium position? That's and that's the conversation that you would have in the draft room. I think TJ Parker would be a fine pick at 23. Yes. Now we should mention Fran has Zion Young significantly lower than TJ Parker, but uh a lot of the other, I think on the consensus boards, Zion Young is 38 and TJ Parker . Okay, so the consensus boards still have him pretty far apart, but there were a few. I saw some evaluation . You told me you told me that right before the show. I had no idea. Yeah. I thought, okay, it's fine. Day three guy. It's funny. So Parker and Young are 10 spots apart on the consensus big board. I think it was uh Dane Bruegler's top 100. They're two spots apart. Okay. There are some evaluators that have them as like essentially the same player. If you don't know, some Missouri Yeah, sorry. Yeah. You know, most sacks he's ever had in a season in f in four years was six and a half, which it's not disqualifying, but it's a late breakout. Late breakout. Uh got long arms at thirty three inches. But I don't know. I was When I saw where Fran had him, when I was watching him, I didn't see like the round projection and I was like, Oh, this guy's like pretty interesting on day three. And then I saw where he was actually projecting like, oh man, like yeah, that's significantly higher. I think he is like, you know, uh, we have TJ Parker at home as a prospect a little bit where it's like you if you miss out on TJ Parker, cause TJ Parker goes in you know round one, like maybe like it toward the end of day two, you're like, yeah, sure. Well the other the other player with round one consideration and likelihood, it sounds like is, Akeem Mesador, Ruben Baines teammate from Miami. Yeah. You're gonna I know you hate it. If you know anything about Akeem Mesador, you know how I feel about him . Uh 63259, plays with violence, uh 12 and a half sacks last year, really fun to watch, will be twenty-five as a rookie, has a f has a foot injury thing that's some people think is a problem, and his arms are short below the line of everybody except for you know Melvin Ingram and uh Cameron Wake . That's a no for me. Yeah. Where he's gonna have to go. Yeah. I am not using a a a pick in the first three rounds on on him. You know what I wrote down for him? He is who Bo thought Nate Borkatcher was. You gotta get off the Borkatcher thing. Now by the way, we gotta talk about this. Uh both Nate Borkatcher . Oh no. I didn't think we were going back to Nate Borkatcher. Well. You just told me I gotta get off the Nate Borkature thing. I agree with you on uh Mesodor, by the way. I think that he my my hang up with him is like The thing you said about Borkitry yesterday . If he was younger and more productive, we'd be talking about him as like a second round pick. Well yeah like So would you No that's not true. Let's close the book on the Wawa big deal. Be younger and more productive and not be. So the Eagles brought in Borkatcher for a pre-draft, is it? Yeah. You're what do you put ? They also brought in Romello Height, who we'll talk about. Both those guys will be 25 years old as rookies. And I I see what Harry Roseman is doing here. Okay. What he is doing is the same thing the Eagles have done with the offensive coordinator search. They're bringing these guys into the building because they want to add them to the coaching staff. The marketplace of ideas. Yeah. They're like, hey, this might be a Vic FanJo replacement in a few years. Two years down the road. Nate Forkature's coaching up our tight ends. We're in business, man. Oh man. That's good. That's good. Uh yeah. Mesador, my my hang up with him is like, you can't be like, oh, his play personality. He's just out there beating guys up. It's like, yeah, he's 25 years old. Like that can't be your selling point. I don't think that was Borgitcher's selling point for the record, but with Mesador, I think a lot of the the evaluation came down to like the physicality he plays with. And it's like, yeah, I don't know how that translates when he's playing against grown men. Yeah, I think if I was doing the uh you know, I used to do like a worst case scenario mock draft and a best case scenario mock draft for the Eagles. If I was doing a worst case scenario mock draft, it would be Mesidore at a twenty three overall. Yeah. Like realistic thing. Yeah, like I agree. I think that would be not good. All right. Time to take a break. We'll be back with much more on the other side. On the other side, EJ and I will tell you our favorite day two edge prospects for the Eagles. He's got someone he is very excited about. I don't know who it is yet, but I have a guess . All right, quick 60-second timeout as we have been breaking down prospects in the NFL draft, especially the options that make sense for the Eagles, hunting for the perfect player, fixing weakness es, finding the smartest pick, making the trade that takes the team to the next level. Well, that's the same energy that lives at Elkins Chevrolet, with their trade-up event happening right now. This is where you make the smart move. Look at what you've got, figure out what you need, look at your options, then step up and save. 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Super chat from Jack Royer, who says little late, but he was love on the Joe Royer talk. Yeah Oh yeah, you gotta claim him. That's my whole day long. That's my dad's thing. Anybody with the last name Smith, like oh yeah, that's your cousin. It's like I don't think so. Who's the worst Smith ? The worst Smith? Uh I don't I what about like the best Smith? I could probably do better with that. Sure. Answer a different question. I mean, I don't know who the worst Smith probably somebody who's done something terrible. Probably. I'm sure there are some out there. Oh, I bet. Um Jackson Smith and Jigba is the one my dad does like to point to as like, yeah, that could be your cousin. Okay. That's a good one. All right. We've we've built it up here. You got someone who you are very excited about in on day two. Who's your guess? Now the Eagles have uh the Eagles have three picks on day two . Chance one of these guys could be an edge. You wanna my guess? Yeah. My guess is deny Dennis Sutton. You are right on the money. Deny Dennis Sutton. Everything about his profile, I love. I honestly I don't know why he's not talked about a little bit higher on this big board. 6'5, 268 from Penn State. He is a three six six. I had six five, maybe six six. Okay. He's a three cone superstar. You want me to do this now? Sub seven seconds. He's the he's the he's one of two guys who ran the three cone at the combine this year. Which is Which is speaks to he knew he was going to do well. Yes. Um so this is from Fran's Draft Guide, which you guys should all become a diehard so you get access to Fran's Draft Guide. A list of edge rushers who ran the th the three cone in six point nine seconds or or or sh quicker that weigh over two hundred and fifty five pounds. Joey Bosa, Max Crosby, Aiden Hutchinson, Trayvon Walker, Oda Fe Owe, Sam Hubbard, Jordan Willis, and Kyle Fitz. Kylie. Kylie Fitz. I apologize. It's okay. It's good company. Good company. So the like the my pound the table to relative athletic score uh is the seventh best of any edge taken in the last 10 drafts, according to Frank. My pound-the table thing for deny Dennis Sutton here, especially for the Eagles. He is he feels so much like an Eagles prospect. He's a former five-star recruit from Delaware, played at Penn State. His play personality is awesome. Like he he's really nasty on the field, which is gonna get Vic Fangio excited. His his athletic testing to me is an important part of this too because it informs the upside that he has. You watch the player, the tape shows you like a high floor player. L thisike guyy is going to pla in the league. He's going to fit in the league by what you see him do on the field. And then you see what he what he did in the athletic testing. It's like, okay, this guy has another level to take still here. He's 22 years old, I believe, or will be 22 as a rookie. He is he's got Eagles written all over him in a way that got me very excited. And came for a pre draft visit. So we know that they're uh interested to some degree . What do you think I think of Denai Dennis Sutton? You're you're gonna bring up the spin move. You're gonna be like, oh, that spin move, it's not gonna work in the NFL. No, I liked him a lot. I'm with you. Oh I thought it was really exciting. Eight and a half sacks each of the past two seasons. Yeah. Uh I think the way that you you just said it uh it was was really good context. Yeah. The way he plays gives you a floor and the the athletic testing gives you a ceiling. Yeah . I would be I think this would be a totally fine second round pick. I think it would be I think you would be very happy with him as your second round pick. I he was one of the favorite guys I watched. I sent a sent his uh if you didn't, he would have been my guy. Yeah, I sent his a cut up of his all twenty-two that I found on social through the draft guide again. Shout out to the draft guide. I sent him to one of my buddies and I just said Eagle. Like this guy screams Eagles player here. Every every everything about the profile is like the boxes that Howie Roseman likes to check. Yeah, and holds up well against the run, can stay on the field on first and second down. Uh he he's not's not like the most polished pass rusher. Yeah, his there's more there. Yeah, he doesn't have like insane bend. If you're gonna be nitpicky, like that's what you're gonna say. Is like he doesn't run the hoop as well as some of the other guys in this class, but he's explosive and he's powerful. Like that's a great place to start. Sign me up. I love the guy. And he's got a cool name. I liked him a lot. He's got a cool name. Denied. D-A-N-I, but pronounced deny. I was hoping it was gonna be deny deni Sutton. Oh. Like a little one end, probably. Like a well leaning into like the I think we could maybe we could get like a Denis Sutton jersey if he was drafted. Ooh, now you're talking. This guy was maybe my favorite player I watched. Okay. Because I felt like I felt like I found something. I like him a lot. Felt like I found a diamond in the rough here. Now I'll give you my guy, uh, who's my other guy here. Can I guess? Sure . I think you're gonna go gay bacchus. I I liked gay bacchus. Same. Um his his he is not my pick. Gay Backis uh is his friend's edge nine he's six three two sixty from Illinois. Uh he is much more he is a power rusher. Yes there's not a lot of speed or slipperiness to his game, but he's trying to run through you. Reminded me a lot of AJ Epinesa. Um I think he would be a fine player. I would I would probably not want a second round pick on him. I he feels feels like a third round value to me. Yeah. He's another like take your medicine guy where it's like you know, you know he's not going to be a number one edge rusher in your rotation, but he's going to play for you. Yeah. Um my guy is someone who I actually don't think is a great fit for the Eagles. Okay. Uh and this is more just I really enjoyed watching him. And I bel I I feel like I believe in him. And that's our Mason Thomas from Oklahoma. He was really fun to watch. Now he is very small. He is six two and a half, two forty one, with short arms and small hands. The only other guy in this entire fifty sea fifty seven player edge sample who was both small and short like that, it was Hassan Reddick. Yes. And obviously he was not drafted as an edge rusher. Uh so there are limitations here, and there's a re that's a reason why he's not gonna go um in the first round. He's he's small and he only ran like a a four six seven, so it's not like he's got elite athleticism. Yeah. But he's so slippery. Yeah. There was like a he actually reminded me of Jalen Carter in the way that when Jalen Carter, well, like watching Jalen Carter as a prospect , the way that he was able to uh laterally move so quickly from uh from hole to hole, like it's really cool to watch. Like it's almost like he's he's you know he's like teleporting uh when he's pass rushing. It's very fun to watch. I liked him a lot. Yeah. I don't think it's a great fit for the Eagles. I don't think that's the kind of player they need. Yeah, I think they need somebody with more heft. Yeah. But I think he's gonna be a fun player to follow in the league. Yeah, he is like the opposite end of the coin to some of these high like he is the opposite of Gay Backis. Like correct. He is the high variance. We want to try and find a number one edge rusher. Like, if you asked me, like I think our Mason Thomas could be, it'd be, you know, very high range outcome for him, but I think he could be like at the top of an edge rusher rotation in a few years. But he could also be like a completely unusable player in the sense that, yeah, there's not a lot of um there's nothing to fall back on with him. He's a def he's a designated pass rusher prospect uh with really really great traits. I thought he did have really good bend. Like around the corner, like he looks like I mean he looks I think Hassan Reddick is a good comp in like his upside. That's what you like. That's the Hassan Reddick did test like an elite athlete. Yeah, and he and the one thing about Hassan that I always like I I just from like having talked to a lot I mean I covered Hassan twice in his career and I I talked to a lot of people about him over time. He had way more power at that size than you would expect him to have. I don't know if our Mason Thomas really showed that when I watch in from what I watch at the very least. Now shout out to uh shout out to Chisholm, our our sicko friend, yeah, who covers Oklahoma, is texting texting yesterday. He said he couldn't believe that uh Jaron Kan ick of all people came up on the show. But I asked him, like, who do you believe in? And he said our Mason Thomas. Yeah. Convinced that he will he will make it happen in the league. Now, I would also tell you one of the great reasons to check out Fran's draft guide. Oh, the servant . Yeah, I mean, he answers every question you have. And I know you're wondering, R Mason Thomas. What is the R ? R space Mason, what's it for? Well, Brian has the answer. His given name is R Mason. It's not an abbreviation for anything. His mom's side of the family used a lot of the names that begin with the letter R, and she wanted to give a nod to that tradition while still doing things her own way. I really actually loved this. Yeah, but it's very cool. R. Mason Thomas is a great name and like I think it informs a lot of the character uh like it ringing endorsements of his character that you saw at Frank's draft guide. Again, that's another great thing about the draft guide is friend will compile quotes where you'll kind of get to know the person and it seems like he is like very widely admired for his personality. And yeah, it seems like, you know, his mom was very intentional with the name and probably was very intentional raising him. All right. I don't know the guy, but seems great. I'm in on Armist in time. I don't think it's a great fit for the Eagles, but I I like to play a lot. It's a good like uh playwright name. You know? Yeah, you would need the you need a period there . George R. R. Martin. Two R's. George R. R. Martin. Why is that funny? It's not funny. George R. Mason's kind of funny. George R. Mason. Yeah. I mean, listen. A fine name. R. Mason Thomas. Strong name. All right. There you do. 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I've got I've got lots of thoughts. I know we got we've got more players to talk about too. Well, let's let's get to it. Now you're gonna be in studio with us tomorrow. We've got the great event going on uh where everybody can watch you do some guys. Uh maybe some more news where some people outside the Philadelphia area can take part in something like that uh next week. But or now, let's let's stay talking about these edge guys. What what uh what what do you write down that that you need to address from what we've already said? Um I well you made the point about uh the decision for the jets at two between Arvell Reese and David Bailey. Uh and I shared that same concern throughout most of the pre-draft process. He was trying to, you know, basically like everyone penning in, oh yeah, Arvell Reese is number two. And it's like, all right, well, Aaron Glenn is we know how you know Woody Johnson and how volatile that leadership can be in New York. Uh they're in hot water. They they need to show improvement right now. So are they really gonna take a project, uh a huge projection there with Arvell Reese at number two as, opposed to taking David Bailey, even if you think that Reese has a slightly higher upside, Bailey's just ready to like in terms of serving that role, he's ready to go. He's that's all he's done over the course of his college career. And so I do think it makes more sense. And then in the last 48 hours, uh Dale Jeremiah from NFL Network and Peter Schrager from ESPN have both come out and have said that yeah, I think that it'll end up being David Bailey at number two for the New York Jets. And so I I do think there are some interesting ripple effects that happen from that point on in the rest of the top ten as I've uh ripped up the first half of my mock draft in the last uh few hours to account for this. Um but it's uh uh yeah, it it it honestly though, this edge rusher group, it's a good group overall. It is a good gro up. And I also saw that Peter Schragermach and my number one takeaway was I imagine the same as yours, he didn't have Kelch Falk in the first round . What's going on? What are we missing? Honestly, man, it's what it's one of the the big mysteries for me right now in this class is the the lack of love for the profile of Keldrick Falk. And you said it like to me, in any year, like regardless of class strength, this is a profile that you bet on. And that's kind of that's one of my lines that I've been using in talking about Keldric Falk. Um, because a lot of the you know, and then some of the other markets that I've jumped on, you know, in Dallas, they're talking, you know, there are people that want Keldrick Falk, and then people are like, oh, absolutely not. Uh to me this is not even the same conversation as shamar stewart a year ago how dare you how dare that's what I mean like you know well people are talking about it the same way like oh this guy didn't produce and to your point. Yeah, he had two sacks last year had. He seven the year before as a 19-year-old in the SEC. They samar Stewart didn't a quarterback for two years. So uh yeah, to me, when I'm looking at uh at Keldrick Falk, this is a player where you're just checking boxes across the board. He's at the athletic for his size. He's got versatility, high character, clean medical, uh the position versatility, the ability to win from multiple techniques. He can win against the run. Yes, he's got to get a little bit better as a rusher, but he doesn't turn 21 until the fall. Um to me, uh I'm betting on that profile uh 99 times out of a hundred. Couldn't agree more. Okay. Uh and then where do you fall on uh on the day two guys i mean we can see how you have them ranked you have our mason thomas like a like a just a smidge above deny dennis sudden i am glad that you shared the the nugget about his name uh as one of my favorite anecdotes from this class uh r mason thomas and then his uh name origin story there. But um you know, I I liked an I Dennis Sutton, uh, and so I agree with both of you guys there. Uh I think that, you know, in talking with sources in the building there in Penn State too, they've they've kind of raved about just kind of the uh he's intrinsically motivated, right? Like he's one of those guys that you kinda have to chase out of the weight room, you know, after a tough loss, like you get back into the building and he's in there before anybody, like literally like that day, and they're like, No, like get out of the building, go recover. Like that kind of he's that kind of work ethic, high standards for himself. Um, so that to me, like this is a guy that I'm willing to bet on as well. And I know I'm a little bit higher on him than consensus, but uh to me, like the the play personality with the physical traits from the athletic testing, the person ality, like uh I I'm willing to bet on uh Den is Sutton. All right. Uh I asked you before, so you can put some thought into it, to identify some day three guys who you feel like are are Eagles types, guys who might appeal to Howie Roseman and the people in that building. Who did you come up with? Yeah, and you mentioned that they had Romello Height, uh the Texas tech edge rusher in for a visit. And to me, like I just I d I don't see that fit really. Um you know, uh uh look, obviously there's there's some level of interest. The Eagles uh I think they're out of the business of like doing pure smoke screens. I think they're they're kinda out of that. Uh that may have been something that they did years ago. But um I wrote an I wrote uh for Romello Height, I wrote more explosive Kyron Johnson. Sure. Yeah, right. I mean that's kinda and he's like um he's built almost like uh actually my my comp for him was Joshu a. So that that's kind of like the body type that we're talking about. He's under six foot three. He's under 240 pounds. He's got below average length. Uh, he has got some like springs in his legs, like he's got some explosiveness, but uh non-factor for the most part against the run. Like he'll try and use his length, but he's just not he's not like a high factor there. And again, like a late breakout guy, uh he's been at four different schools if memory serves. Yeah I was gonna ask you if like you think maybe the four different schools like, they just like want to get to know the guy, you know, if that could be part of the reason to bring him in. That's possible. Without knowing that it's not that's right, that's that is one of the objectives that are often with with situations like that. Is that we want to bring him in to see like is he our kind of guy. Um you know to try and dig through that. Especially because when you're at four different schools, the the scouting you know the the the scouts, the area scouts, you know, there are no reliable narrators. No, exactly right. And so that that's that's gonna be a tough one. So now schematically and from a profile standpoint, who are some players that stand out as potential day three options for the Eagles? The first name that comes to mind is LT Overton from Alabama. The Eagles have drafted a lot of Alabama players uh in recent ma in the recent past. And I think when you're looking at Overton, uh he could be another guy that I think fits the model. He's gonna be a twenty one he's try he's twenty one years old when he's drafted, well he's twenty one year old twenty one years old when camp breaks. Former big time recruit, uh, first at Texas AM and was spent a couple years there and then bounced over to Alabama for the last two seasons. Now, he has not been productive. He is always he's a player that when you're watching him, he kind of leaves you wanting more where you're like yeah I don't know if the sum uh is greater than the or the what is it the uh the total is greater than the sum of the parts or whatever the the the thing is there. Like you always think like it's gonna be a little bit better than what you're seeing. Um, but at the end of the day, he's got some scheme versatility, right? Like I think he's got position versatility rather where he can line up at a couple different spots. They lined him up often tight to the formation. So, you know, much like what we're talking about with Keldrick Falk, uh, he's got some of that alignment versatility, which I think is important in this Vic Fangio scheme. I mentioned the youth. That's something that we've seen from how it rose in the past. They will take swings on younger players in in day three. By the time you get to day three, most especially now, uh most of the the 21-arye-olds, 22-year-olds are soaked up, but the guys that do bleed through, we've seen that the Eagles will take stabs at those guys. And so when I look at Overton, I think schematically there's a fit there. I think that when you're look ing at the profile, it makes some sense. He's a guy that kind of stands out, especially again given the in-roads at Alabama. I kind of liked watching him. Uh he was like he was consistently the last guy off the ball. Yes. Like time after time after time, which reminded me of Josh Sweat at training camp uh a couple years ago. But he's then like explosive off the ball. Um I liked I liked watching him, and I think as we talked about the reasons that Kel Jack Fawk would make sense for this roster construction, LT Overton checks those same boxes where he's he's giving you some cover in multiple ways. And as you said, going to the Alabama wells is something that they're comfortable doing. If you told me that he was the uh, you know, the the fifty third pick in the draft, like that wouldn't shock me. Yeah, this is the guy that packed in the summer, early stages of the fall that he was viewed as a potential first round pick. Like uh he has been talked about like that uh in the Zeitgeist for the last calendar year. Um but like I said, the the lack of production, uh you're always just kinda left wanting uh when you're watching him and everyone kind of had their their eyes focused on him here this year and he just did not really uh meet that standard. So I think when you're looking at Overton, there's a lot to like, but also reasons why I could think that he could slip a bit in the especially in this edge rusher class because it's one of the stronger groups in this group in this class. You want to talk about a guy, you know, knowing your enemy, an edge rusher with the name LT, like fantastic. I believe the uh the given name is wanna make sure I say this right. Levius. Yeah, given name is Lebius. Um and his dad, uh it was actually he was a former college offensive lineman and he's a uh he's the A D at uh Kennesaw State. Uh that's fun. Yeah. All right. Who is the second player who you identified as a potential Eagles fit? Yeah, uh this is another this is a guy that I saw up close at the uh at the Shrine Bowl uh from Duke, which we know that the uh the Eagles have added a number of Duke players uh over the the late coaches over recent history. They have a they have a uh a good source in that building. Yep. Somewhere, yes, exactly right. Uh who knows? Um but I think when you're looking at Wesley Will Wesley Williams, uh the Redshirt Jr., again another player that's got some position versatility uh where they they like to kick him inside at times. Um so I think when you're looking at uh you know players that have fit this mold in the past, uh you look at Vic Fangio and his history, they they've had success with players that have that alignment versatility and flexibility uh to be able to play a number wear a number of different hats for the defensive front. He's another one where I just I just liked the play personality. I enjoyed watching him on film. He's got heavy hands . He can reset the line of scrimmage. He can do things well in the run game, high effort in the pass rush game. He's not going to blow you away with like his first step. And that's not necessarily his bag, but uh I will say that you know just going down to the shrine bowl and you know, the the access we get down there, like down on the sidelines, uh first one in first one on the field, last one off the field, type of that type of thing. Uh extremely engaged with the coaches, the NFL coaching that he got down there at that event. And so watching him on tape. Honestly, there was another rusher, Anthony Vincent or Vincent Vincent Anthony. Vincent Anthony? Yeah, Vincent Anthony from Jerry Vincent. But he is a uh he is a he's another Duke edge rusher in this class and he went to the senior bowl. Williams was at the shrine ball. I'll take Williams every day. You know, Anthony kinda reminded me of like Alex McAllister when uh the Eagles drafted him back in the eleven and he was kinda you know, t really wiry and long limbed and I just you know, just uh just not m not my bag. Uh but with Williams, I think when you're looking at his uh that that alignment versatility and the play personality, uh I think that that would play well here in Philly. All right. I think that's a good one. That's a good one to keep in mind. I think. All right. Do you have uh a little bit more time? Fran, can you stay with us through the break? All right. Let's do it. 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Back on the P.H.L. Eagles podcast. D block time. Michael Buffer might be a listener of the show. He's a uh avid Eagles fan. Bruce Buffer is a an occasional uh Anthony guest, I believe. There you go. Yeah. Uh okay. Do you have a day three guy that you like? I do. Um I think for the for the uh visual listeners, for the people watching on YouTube, I think what's important here is as EJ says his person, pay attention to pay attention to Fran's face, because that'll he's very expressive. He is very expressive. I agree with that. Um, I'm not certain that this guy will be there on day three, but I'm gonna cheat a little bit. I'm saying like a fourth or fifth round pick. Okay. On Jay Sean Barham. Oh from Michigan. You like him? I like Jay Shawn Barham a lot. I like him too. I again he might this might be me cheating And I actually he's like we have Gay Backis at home to me a little bit. He's smaller than Gay Back is he's six three, two hundred and forty pounds. Uh and he's got shorter arms. But the thing that I liked about him self . He's got thirty-four and and an eighth-inch arms. Really? Yeah. I don't want short arms. I apologize. I have my spreadsheet here. The thing that I liked about Jay Sean Barram, the reason why I'm like, okay, like I could see the Eagles being in on him is he kind of does remind me of Nolan Smith just in that he's like a battering ram, like that he just flies around and he's just like a high-energy player. Um, so yeah, I think for I Vic I think Vic Fangio would be in on Jay Shonbarham and yeah I think he could make sense as a rotational piece especially if you are you're trying to figure out what you're gonna do long term with the Owen Spain. Now Fran am I right he he was playing sort of a tweener role until this year when he got to finally just sort of settle in on the edge? He was a I mean, he was a true linebacker for his first three years and changed, like started the season as a true linebacker and then they moved him to the edge full time. It was like late September. It was like the third game of the season. So I'm sure they toyed with it throughout the course of the summer uh and then just decided to make the move just to get best eleven on the field. Um so it is it'll be an adjustment for him. You know, when I watched him over the summer for off the twenty twenty four tape, I thought oh,, you know, I wonder if he is uh better served to be like an edge convert uh moving into the NFL. So it was good to be able to see him go through it. But he's very he's he's definitely gonna be a bit of a developmental player. Wasn't at the senior bowl, wasn't at the shrine bowl, uh was, at the Combine? Um, but this guy who's played a decent amount of football, uh, it's just again uh kind of adjusting to a new position. Um I like him. Yeah, he's he's a juice. Yeah, yeah. And he's he he doesn't feel as opposed to some of the other edge guys who like I like watching the like the speed guys, like they got a nice little dip, but you know, they're really never gonna get on the field uh on first and second down. I think Barm could stay on the field. Yeah, he's got that nice trait where it's like he might be small, but he's you know his his motor and his physicality mean that he still might be viable on early downs. Uh Fran, what this guy's probably also a a day uh a third round guy, but what did you what did you think of malachi lawrence well no i there's there's been some buzz that he could go even earlier than that uh just because of how he tested yeah tested crazy he's 41 on the consensus big board is he really yeah because i i did the same thing you did. I was yeah i like him. Yeah. Yeah. I mean you see the explosiveness. I I feel like you see it not when he's get coming off the ball, but rather when he is closing in on a ball carrying. I completely agree with that. Um and it's fun. It's like he's he's then enveloping those people. Uh and it's like th those are cool traits. But yeah, I don't know I I w I don't think that I don't think the profile is worth a a a second or third round pick for me. Yeah, I mean the the thing is too is that he is one of the more skilleders rush in this class. You know, so if you're gonna say, okay, well, he's a really ski he's really good with his hands. Like uh if you just go and you just watch like all of his, you know, pressures, all of his sacks, you know, whatever you want to watch and say, like, all right, like how does he win? Uh it's an impressive wide array of moves. Like uh he's he's got a number of ways that he can win on the at the top of the rush. Uh now that said, I do think he's there there's a little bit of like one trick pony-ish to him where it's like while he's got a lot of moves, it's mostly like high side, like outside rush moves. He's not necessarily always winning to the inside. The run game was just okay, right? So I'm like, I 've gone back and forth because I really want to like And the fact that he blew the doors off the testing. Like that that was not expected. I did not expect him to test the way that he did. Uh I have not like pushed him way up my rankings since then, just because uh I agree with you that I don't necessarily always see that athleticism pop off the ball. I do see it when he closes, but not necessarily early in the down. And so uh I do think that it's a little bit of an upside swing. He's probably gonna go earlier than I personally would feel comfortable with. Like the Duke pairing, uh there's a used another UCF pass rusher, and Nigel E. Kelly, who was like a five star, four five star recruit uh coming out of high school, went to Miami, then transferred to uh to UCF. So those guys played uh opposite each other. And Nigel Kelly is like, you know, 6'5, 245, long arms, like really looks the part. And I didn't think it was close. Like Malky Lawrence, much, much better player. You know, and he was more productive this year. Uh but I think when you're that I honestly, EJ, I thought you were gonna say you like Nigelie Kelly because of the your traits, uh your your traits fetch. But um to me when I was looking at uh at Lawrence, I really like the player. I've always felt, you know like, third round, something like that, but now you're hearing like, oh, he he could go in the end of the first round and you pretend and and certainly in the second round. So um probably a little rich for me. Um I will give you uh two guys who are a little bit interesting to me, but first I want to ask you about Cassius Howell, who uh I think there's some people in chat who like you are much lower on him than than Kinsensus. He's your uh edge sixteen. Got that nice little dip move, like he can turn the edge, but I I don't know if he can stay on the field on on first and second down. What's your book on Cassius Hell? Yeah, I I don't know that he's gonna be impactful enough against the run to be a uh to be a three down presence. And so that's gonna be a concern for me. And then at his size, you know, and EJ uh said it a couple times, like uh the lack of length, it's not a problem until it's a problem. To me, when I watched Howell over the summer and then again this fall, it was a problem for him, yeah, whether it was getting off blocks in the run game or being able to win consistently low side as a rusher. Uh and so to me, if if I'm looking at him like, all right, it's kind of like the tight end conversation we were having yesterday. Like, oh, the guys that can serve as blockers, if they can't, then what does that mean? If I'm looking at Cassius Howell, I'm like, all right, well, he's going to be a situational pass rusher, right? You get into R. Mason Thomas. So I think that that's probably the book on him too, right? He's not going to be a pure three-down player, but I do think he could be a terror on rush downs. That's fine. That's valu able. I don't look at Howell as being having that same level of juice as an athlete. I think he's a fine athlete, but at that size, given his skill set and his likely role, I kind of need him to be like a good athlete. I need him to be to be the guy that can threaten off the edge and uh and really give you some juice there. And I just don't see that. I do think that he's got some skill. I think there are some nice reps there where he's shows the ability to win at the top of the rush, but going up against NFL tackles on a consistent basis, I don't I don't know that he's gonna be able to do that. And so uh, you know, this is a guy that began his career at bowling green, and you know, he had a uh uh one season of real real production there at BGSU, transferred to Tech CNM, came off the bench in 2024 behind a bunch of NFL players uh along the defensive line, but didn't really sniff the line up too much, and then you know took over this year and was and was very productive in the SEC. But I just worry about the long-term viability of a guy with that skill set . Alright, I'll give you my two uh we're talking like six seventh round guys. I'm gonna give you the speed guy and then the big honkin guy. Uh the speed guy, I kind of I kind of like Trey Moore of of the the speed guys uh from Texas and I know I I 'm hate on all the just a little bit enough juice. Now I also don't think that I would use a pick on a player like that. I feel like the Kyron Johnson experience has kind of influenced that for me. I think I think if a an edge guy is going to be that small and he's going to be worthwhile, he's going to go in the first three rounds. He's going to have those like explosive tools. I think if you're drafting an edge on day three, you' youre' probabrely looking more for someone who's just going to fill out a room and can get you through a game on first and second down. And if that's the case, this guy, I mean, he's got the tools are not impressive. He was got one year as a starter. But I thought that Max Llewellyn, it was like against type for me. I I think he could stay on the field. Yeah, it is against type for you. I'm very surprised that that was I know. I surprised myself. Trust him. He's like, whoa. Yeah. Um yeah, I just I I couldn't get there with Llewellyn. You know, I I think that to me like yeah, there are some effort plays on tape and there there's there are some flashes where I'm like, oh okay, I can kind of see it. Maybe he's like a fourth or fifth guy to fill out the room like you, said , but um I did prefer Trey Moore uh to his skill set. The just the fact that like I he couldn't crack the lineup until this past year. Yeah, it's not great. With some of his limitations, that was just a tough profile for me to bet on. Yeah, with with Trey Moore , it really concerned me. Like he was very productive of UTSA and struggled to be even remotely close to that productive production level at Texas. Like they're gonna get harder for you. Yeah. I don't know. And this goes to you know, this goes to the Eagles draft philosophy on late day three. They're they're drafting guys who they think can be can turn into starters eventually. So I d I honestly don't think either of those guys makes a lot of sense for for the Eagles late in the draft. More having upside, but yeah. Okay. I'm with you. It's tough to draft it at an edge that late. All right. Uh before we let you go, Fran, let's check out this uh this super chat because there's a very heartwarming thing going on in the chat. Uh as our friend Jake has shared some sh some news with us. He says, This is my favorite podcast, and I never miss an episode. However, last Friday morning while listening, my dog Lola passed away in the backseat of my car. I am struggling to cope and just want to enjoy the show again. And then he adds another super chat. Can you please give Lola Mae Calderon a shout out? She was my everything 1011 2014 to four three twenty twenty six. Love you guys, and you can see that the uh the super chat numbers are related to the birthday there. Uh I'm sorry to hear that, Jake. I you know, I think about this a lot with my dogs. You know, I've got a an older dog at this point and it's like they they go through you with so many different phases of life. I'm gonna get choked up talking about this. Uh that like they do become I mean it's like it's almost an understatement say that they become like your family members, you know they become course so much uh you you just yeah, I just you just love 'em a lot. That's what I would say. So I'm sorry, Jake. Very sorry. Yeah. Uh you know, that's I E J said it better than I could. Um yeah, it's uh that it's tough. Uh you you become very, very attached and twelve years, uh I'm sure uh I'm sure Lil Long's a great life. Uh you gotta, you know, that''ss uh that a tough loss. I'm really sorry to hear that. Shout out to Lola and shout out to Jake. Shout out to Lola, yeah. Member of the family. Come on. They're like the constant in your life. You know, and the most they are like they're your grounding force a lot of times. So very sorry, Jay. I'm waiting like 20 seconds, but go ahead, friend. Our cat is named Lola. So LOL Lalal ola . Yes . I mean, come on. There. Yeah. I'm waiting like six seconds now. Uh did you end up d did you end up watching uh Nadame Tucker Nadame Tucker ? I will tell you the answer to that, Fran, in Lola time . Nice And the answer to your question, Fran , is no. Should I ? No, you don't need to. Uh so we'll be twenty six years old. He reports to NFL training camp. Bo ain't watching that guy. No. Well here's so here's the funny backstory here, okay? So um it was like mi mid mid-October , you know, it was right around the time when you're starting to get all right, like senior bowl invites are are gonna be like starting to go out soon, All-Star Game invites starting to go out soon. And I had a scout message me from the Midwest and say, Hey, have you watched the Western Michigan pass rusher yet? And I was like, no, no, yeah. He had been really productive over the first few weeks. Um, so before I watch him player, I'll do the bio first, right? Like, so you know, they'll get all the background. So I go through and just really fast, I'm like, all right, he uh he transferred into you told you told me about this guy. Yeah, right when it happened. I'm like, oh okay. So he spent two years at JUCO, 2020, 2021, and then he spent three seasons at Houston where he amassed uh 10 tackles, one and a half TFL s, and no sacks in three years. And I'm like, oh okay. And he turns 26 uh before the draft. I'm like, oh, all right. He better be Superman. Like he bet like if you're gonna go if he's gonna go day two, like the tape better be like unbelievable. And the tape was okay. He's Superman, but the but the only power he has is he can see through people's clothes, so it doesn't help him with the field very much. Well that's what I like watching and I'm like, all right, like the tape is uh fine and then he goes to the senior bowl and he comes in really small across the board, like short arms. Why did he go to the senior bowl? Because he's a senior. Hold on a second. Yes. Uh the senior citizen bowl. Uh when you're so like uh Nadine Tucker, uh yeah, as soon as I saw the profile I was like, Oh, this is gonna be uh Bo can't wait to stick his teeth into this one. But I mean this guy was almost born in the nineteen nineties . Like Yeah, but say like it's usually a joke. This guy is almost my age. But yeah, I mean just uh that's a that's a that's a tough, tough profile. Now, he led the country in sacks this past year. He had 14 and a half sacks and all that. Like you know, so he goes from zero production. I guess he gets to one year of great production. But yes, exactly. Um okay. Uh last thing, just to circle back on a conversation from 50 minutes ago, how would you feel about uh TJ Parker at twenty-three? Oh, I was gonna ask I was gonna do this. Okay, let me do this, let me do this. Would you rather have TJ Parker in round one deny Dennis Sutton in round two. Okay, this is good. Or I'm gonna go with all my guys. Uh Jay Sean Barham in round four. I would go, I think I would go deny Dennis Sutton in round two. Um I like TJ Parker. I will say, guys, I'm um I alluded to the fact I'm doing my mock draft right now, and I'm I think I'm at pick 22. I'm at I'm at the pick before the Eagles. Oh board. The board has been like decimated. This is like a bad this is a or this is a rough scenario I think now there are plenty of offensive linemen available so I think like all right like you know the they'll it'll be an offensive lineman almost surely as I'm looking through this but uh yeah it's a lot of the players that we've kind of picked for the you know like Heldrick Falk's not there, Kenyon Sadiq's not there, Concepcion's not there. Um yeah, it's uh it's been a little bit of tough sledding uh for the Eagles in the the picks leading up. Um wait so who's on the board? Let's say I want to make a pick though. I feel like this is good for Kevin. Yeah so like I said, I'm I'm in the middle of the chart. Let's reset. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're gonna f we're let's clip farm. Let's clip farm as the kids say. Here we go. So three, two. All right, Fran, you are working on your mock draft that's gonna appear on all phl y dot com and you have made it to the Eagles pick at 23. Who's available? Yeah, so here's who is not available really quickly. So Vega Yoane, the guard from Penn State, he just went off the board. Uh Dylan Thieneman, he is off the board. Casey Conception, Kenyon Sadiq, TJ Parker, Peter Woods is off the board, Keldrick Falk off the board. All the top three receivers are off the board. So it's really it's heavy offensive linemen. So I'm like Caden Proctor from Alabama is there, Monroe Freeling from Georgia is there. Maxi Honitchor and Caleb Lomu are all there. So four of the top seven offensive tackles are still on the board here in this universe, which, you know, if you're an Eagles fan and you want an offensive lineman, this is a good scenario. If you want something other than an offensive lineman, you're hoping to wait, this is tough luck for you. But uh that's kind of what you're looking at here. Avion Terrell, if you if you want a non-offensive lineman, he is still available. Uh Emmanuel McNeil Warren, the safety from Toledo is still on the board. Outside of that, I don't think you're really uh you're really leaning any of these other uh these other directions. Okay, and so which which offensive lineman would you go with then? Well, like I said, I still have to pick for the Chargers. So we'll see if they end up taking one of these guys. But um because again, like I the way I do a bounty draft personally is I do not like, oh I'm gonna I'm gonna pen this guy. It's one of the things. Exactly. Some people don't do it that way. So probably Proctor. You know, I just think that that's probably the upside swing. Um, you know, and I know we'll do an offensive lineman episode at some point. But uh you know, I think when you're looking at Freeling, I think he makes sense. He's young, only a one-year starter, developmental tight. Uh I think when you look at Ihanichor, as we've talked about really throughout the course of the process, I think he checks a lot of boxes as well