Final Thoughts on Tackle Prospects

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And we're gonna we're gonna do this one a little bit differently. Instead of instead of just buzzing through the top ten, we wanna really spend some time on the five tackles who have a real chance to become Eagles on night one. This is a in a in a draft class where everybody's talking about, you know, this is not a great class, that it falls off a cliff . Guys are going to go top five who might go 25 in a normal class. This seems like an actually good class of tackles. Yeah, I think that you know, in an ideal world, the Francis Maui Noah's, you know, the Spencer Fanos, they're not going fifth over all. They're going 11th or 13th or 15th. But they're still good play. Like they are good players that in any draft you're talking about in the top 15 of, you know, of a class. So uh I do think that the guys at the very top of this group? Yeah, this this is uh this is on par with what you would expect from a typical now ej told told us yesterday about your background as a oh big strong powerful man so did you did did you get a little uh do you a little throwback when you were watching these guys I love watching tackle prospects. Um, not just because I actually understand like a very small percentage of what they're uh taught to do and uh are trying to do, but also it's just fun. It's fun to watch these guys, you know. I will use a couple of uh cliches throughout the show and one of them is like the dancing bear uh cliche I love that about some of these guys um I would say the only thing about this tackle class little nitpick like a general takeaway is that a lot of these guys do have that yeah, you can they might be able to play tackle, but you could let them fail at tackle and bump them into guard if that's worst case scenario. And I that always scares me a little bit when you're talking about a tackle prospect that might be better suited in uh inside. And I think that that does This is not an this is not a an original take, but I do feel like that fram ing you hear that so often. Yeah. I mean, there's sixty-four spots to be a starting tackle in the in the NFL. Like you know, some guys who who might might be a better guard, as long as they can and hang a tackle, that's gonna be fine. But with the Eagles, they typically do want guys who can hang on an island, guys who can hold up on their own. So I think I grade them on that Eagles curve a lot of times and for some of the I think that'll come up throughout the show as we talk about some of these prospects. All right. The other thing that I would say is is just just from a a profile standpoint, a lot of the guys who are going to be like top 20 first round picks in this class. They do have some kind of wonky profiles. At tackle, that's not really the case. I mean, these are there are some there are some arm measurements going on that are maybe minor red flags, but like these are guys who are going to be rookies at twenty-one, twenty-two, who have real starting experience, who are big and athletic. Like these are guys who look the part. Yes. So and like did it at h high level programs. Yeah. Like you know, Alabama, Miami, like you feel good about where they're coming from. All right, let's go quickly through the top two guys who I think we all agree. Really no chance that the Eagles are gonna be involved there. Your top tackle slash guard, which is how you do it, is sort of the consensus two, although I think there's some there is some public disagreement about that. That's Spencer Fawnau from Utah. 6'5.5, 311. He does have short arms. Yeah. 32 and an eighth and nine-inch hands. 32 and an eighth is shorter than every other elite tackle in in the 30-player sample I have here. So that is something worth considering. But what is it about uh the kind of player he is, the kind of mover he is that that you like so much about Fana? Really quickly on the arm length thing, uh this has been now two draft class two draft classes in a row where the arm length has come up and it's not just an offensive tackle. Uh obviously had the conversation with Ruben Bain Jr. from Miami. You have the conversation, Mansor Delane, the corner from LSU. Arm lengths overall at the combine have been significantly shorter weird the last two cycles. From what I gather, uh NFS, National Football Scouting, which is the organization that most teams uh uh subscribe to that they're members of coach of uh scouting staffs that are a part of NFS, uh they switched up. They had turnover, like a scout like moved out of doing the arm lengths, and it was a new younger scout that got put in last year. And so the measurements like it is still like a person, you know, that that is doing the doing the measurement. Uh, and they it came in really, really short last year. It was just because it's like about where you measure from like the edge of the shoulder blade, like an out. And so if there's some discrepancy there, the fact that it was a big story last year with Will Campbell, who was a top five pick. Yeah. You know, there were others and it was talked about. Like, hey, like at the senior bowl, these guys were here, and then the arm length d dropped like an inch and change for a lot of players, and then they go to the pro day and it's back up. So it was very clear that they were very short at the combine. I thought there would be like an adjustment, and there was not because everybody came in short again at the combine. And so I will say, uh, and this is how teams are doing it as well, you get measurements from the spray in the spring going into this f the final season. You get measurements when you go in for campus visits, you get measurements at the All-Star Game, you get measurements at the Combine, you get measurements at Pro Day, you get measurements at 30 visits, you get measurements at pro day at uh private workouts. Whatever the best measurement is from all those touch points, that's the one that's on the final card. So to me, like if you look around, you see whatever the whatever the best measurement is, that's the sticking uh measurement for all these guys. Do you do you find there to be uh variability in your own arm length are you are you a shower or a grower when it comes to your arm length CJ um I I don't measure my arm length very often is what I would say. Uh common misconception or maybe at least a misconception misconception that I had that Fran cleared up for me is I always felt like the pro day results were like home cooking. You know, it's like, oh, like the the team, the the school wants you to have the best possible results. Fran clarified to me last week, because we were talking about this with some of the uh the D-linemen that it is an NFL scout that does the measurements at the pro days. So they are they are reliable numbers. Uh they're just usually a little bit. Specifically, Fawnos at the pro day were seven thirty-two and seven-eighths. So it was an improvement. Right. But still below the threshold.s So he does he does have generally shorter arms. Yes. He's got shorter. What is the the final number? So doesn't it show up on the tape, Rand? I think it it it does and it doesn't. I didn't see it as like a huge issue, but there are times like watching him in the run game where I'm like, oh okay, like he can be able to but he is he is such a fast twitch athlete. Yeah. And he's so fast off the ball that it's not like he's late getting into other guys' pads. He's not late getting into the chest of the defensive lineman in the run game. So uh the fact that he's got that aggressive nature with that first step quickness, uh, that to me was not a uh was not a big problem for him. Uh and honestly, like I also thought that he had the ability to handle bull rushers well enough. Like I thought he had a strong enough anchor that because that that's what when you're talking about lack of arm length at offensive line, offensive line is like man on man, like body on body position. You want those guys to be able to to latch on to defenders and and stick, right? Whereas defensive line, it's man off man. Like you want to use your length to deter contact and keep yourself clean. Uh, and that's where length can impact both sides of the coin there. I never saw that as a huge, huge issue for Fano watching him the last year or this really quick uh shout out to my former colleague Jeff McLean. He did a like a film review um with Jeff Stoutlin on about Lane Johnson a few years ago. And you you've probably heard Stoutlin use this phrase before. He described Lane Johnson as like a hovercraft, like where it kind of feels like he's float ing above the uh the ground because he moves his feet so quickly I felt like fano had some fano had some of that to him yeah where his feet are moving so fast it almost feels like he's like floating a little bit you know you so the trick is for me that that I've always liked with offensive linemen is and I do it with with D B's as well. Wait, we actually talked about that last week when we talked about the corners, like the similarities between defensive back play and offensive line play. Uh you're often playing in reverse and it's unnatural movements. Uh when you when you're trying to grade a guy's feet, you look at his helmet and his eyes as he's in reverse. If he's all over the place, the helmet's bouncing all over, this is a guy that's clearly like stressed moving in reverse. With Lane Johnson, like when he's in reverse, his eye his like helmet is rock steady, like no movement whatsoever. He's in complete control of everything he's doing. I like that. Yeah. And Fano's got a little bit of that. Okay. Uh and lastly on Fano, move to uh right tackle to make room for Caleb Loma, who we will talk about in a little bit. But start at left tackle, can play both sides. It'd be fine. Was a left tackle as a freshman in the Pac-12, starting left tackle there, and then move over to right tackle to create room for Lomo. What my what I understand, the staff only felt Lomo could play left left tackle. Left tackle was like left-handed. So they were like, oh, we're gonna keep him at left tackle. Let's bump Fano over. He felt comfortable doing it. Um some people do think with the arm length that he will have to kick into guard. A lot of people have made a big deal of, oh, he he took snaps at center. Uh and maybe some people think like, oh, that could be his best position because of how he moves. There is so much more to playing center than just snapping the ball. So yeah, top 10 pick on that. Exactly. Um so the other guy here, Francis Mami Noah from Miami, six foot and a half, three twenty-nine. So he's a little bit bigger than Fono. He's also got relatively short arms, thirty-three and a quarter, a little bit longer than than Fono. Didn't uh test in anything else. This is a this is a mauler, yeah, a guy who's got that nasty play personality. But you have him just a a tick below. What why is that? Yeah, I to me, like I I think he's a a really good player. I just don't see like the the ceiling for like that that uh like consistent year over year Pro Bowl. I think he can get there. Um, but to me, when I see Maui No, I just see like rock solid NFL starter, like long time. And I one of the comparisons I have for him, uh, was Talise Fuanga, uh, who was coming out of Oregon State and ended up being, I was believing it was the ninth pick or the 11th pick by the Saints. And same questions where it's like, oh, like doesn't have great length and his feet are just okay. Uh so he'd probably be a better guard and he has played nothing but tackles since entering the NFL. And I I think that it it's the same here with Maui Noah, where uh the feet are solid, they're not special. He's not a dancing bear, but he is strong, he is powerful, he's nasty, he's experienced, he's a technician, he's really good with his hands. I think that he is the most technically sound of this group. I feel really good. And to me, like I've been mocking him going number three to Arizona. Is that ideal? No, like you don't you're not spending the number three pick on this, but at the end of the day, like when we see the like to get solid, serviceable tackle play, yeah, it's very, very hard. And you mentioned it earlier that there are 64 tackle spots in the NFL . If you to me, like you there's the margin for error is so wide. Francis Maui Noah does not, if he's the seventh pick, if he's the eighth pick, he doesn't need to be a top five tackle to be worth to pay that spot off. He could be the thirteenth right tackle, yeah, right tackle only, and be worthy of that selection. So uh I do think that this is just a really really good player. He was like a very efficient player in that he gets to a spot and he's like, I know you're not gonna move me. Like I know once I get to my spot, like I can handle the bull rush, I can handle power. Yeah, I he was fun to watch. This is not a surprise, but tackle is second only to quarterback in terms of how early the elite players come, the median pick or where the elite tackles in the NFL come from, the median pick is thirteenth overall. Wow. Uh, which is would later only then quarterback, which is at number seven. That's the sample as Pro Bowl? Or first team all pros. Got it. Um ada's on that list. My lotta would be on that list. So and that think about how far that's that's off the Yes. Yeah. Uh then you've also got uh you know actually I don't know that my lot is on the list. I don't think you made an initial Pro Bowl. Got it, okay. Uh you gotta you gotta make the initial team. Yeah, right. Uh and then also the percentage of guys who come in round one, also the second highest, sixty-four and a half percent of the elite tackles come in round one. So if you want a guy, this is where they come. But it goes back to the conversation and the thing that Howie Rosman said yesterday, if you reach to fill a need, you haven't actually filled the need. So as much as they would like for there to be somebody here worth taking to be their right tackle of the future, they gotta it it comes down to the evaluation. Yeah. All right. Let's take our first break here. And then on the other side, we're gonna get deep into the five guys who we need to talk about. And that is Maxi Honitchor from Arizona State, Monroe Freeling from Georgia. Lake Miller. What did he do to Fran? We'll see if we can get to the bottom of that . I mean, something's going on there, obviously. Shout out to the chat. But next, we're gonna get into Caden Proctor, who I think uh is the guy who has been most consistently linked to the Eagles as their type of player. What is it about him that makes him trans tackle slash guard? Two, despite the variability, stay tuned. The Fanatics app is the all-in-one destination for ever y part of your fan experience. Get official gear for your favorite team and players, including the latest drops, exclusive releases, and must-have merch all in one place. Playoff time is upon us for the Sixers and the Flyers. That's right, you heard it. The Flyers in the next few weeks. 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But this is not in terms of the athlete, this is not an Orlando Brown Junior situation. No. I mean, hit a in a vertical of thirty two and a half inches at three fifty two ? That is insane. So uh real quick, I do a weight adjusted numbers on all these it's gotta be the best. It is it is the so basically what I do for the jumps is I just kinda combine it like the the vert and broad together. Uh okay you know kind of add it up and then uh it that is the the the best ever. And then or sorry. I mean Lane best in my sample, which is a ten year sample of all drafted tackle guards. Lane Johnson at three oh three. Yep. Had a thirty-four inch vert. Yep. Which was towards the top of the sample. We're talking he's fifty pounds heavier than that, 32 and a half. I mean, what an athlete. The uh and so then when I go to who else was in that group, uh like Tristan Wir fs was up there. Yeah, Tristan Wirfs is the guy at the top. Jordan Mylotta was up there, Darnell Wright was up there, Armario Smims was up there. You're talking like first round talents, uh like special physical specimens. That's the the company that you're talking about here. Uh when you when you look at this. Okay, so he is an unbelievable force of explosiveness. Yep. At that size. He is not yet a technician. Not yet. No. Uh I think that that's kind of like what you would say is a little bit of the knock. And you would this is a three year starter at Alabama, played for Nick Saban, his freshman year. Uh, and then when Nick Saban retired, transferred briefly, went home to Iowa, was there for a few months, didn't participate in Springball. Apparently he like got there and realized really quickly, like, yeah, I I I want to go back to Alabama. Uh, and then ended up transferring after the spring semester and went back to Bama. So uh played for the new staff for the last two years. He played last year, so in 2024, with a bump shoulder the entire season. He heard it in September early on in the season, ended up getting surgery right after the regular season ended. Um, looked ridiculous. He was so, so good as a sophomore in the SEC with this bumped shoulder, blowing guys off the ball, just destroying people at the point of attack, looked fine in pass protection. Like uh I've said for a guy this size to move this well with a with one one bad arm to look like this, he was uh I think he was a top, I think he's my he might have been my number two or number three player coming into the season um just because I'm I'm like yeah like what's he gonna look like with two healthy shoulders now he comes in this year and Florida State week one didn't look good gave up uh gave up a bunch of pressures, gave up a sack or two in the game. It was an ugly showing and it wasn't great the first month. And I'm like, all right, like you know, maybe I was just a little bit too high, you know, whatever. Um, and then the it starts to turn. It's like you know, the middle October, and you start to see like against Georgia and the the film Then you come to find out, oh well he was he was out of shape, he wasn't playing great playing shape when the season started. So obviously that's a question. Um so it's like all right, let's sort of like a work ethic thing, especially with the like the transfer in and transfer out? Like, what's going on here? Like, you know, is it it it just makes you ask questions? So, you know, digging around over the last few months. Not a bad kid, not a bad work ethic. It's just kind of it's similar to Jordan Davis. Yeah. Where it's like, yeah, like he's got to keep the weight under control. And when his weight is down, his play is phenomenal. And when the weight is up, he really struggles to get to his spot. And when I think when you're looking, we talked about the Lelane Johnson thing where it's like you're completely under control when you're when you're not stressed that way, moving in reverse. With him, he would be so stressed so early on in the season trying to get to his spot in pass protection, he would turn to the sideline, which is a cardinal sin. That opens up the the inside half. Uh the the the hand placement was really bad. The timing was really bad. He would duck his head into time into contact. Everything was all can you know completely discombobulated. Uh when it wasn't that was not the case. To me, like he looked awesome. And so I think if you're able to kind of tap into this kid, I get it, there's like there's a little bit of boom bust there. Um, but if you're able to tap into it, it's not a work ethic issue. Uh, everyone loves the personality. Eyverone really likes it. that And's again like kind of the Jordan Davis aspect of it as well. That's why I do think he's gonna end up going higher. You know, I think he's gonna he I don't 23. I don't know that he's making it to 20. Like I he might be out of range for like a realistic trade-up unless you're willing to give up your second round pick and, you know, and and change. So um yeah, Aiden Proctor, he's a really good player. If you are projecting him as in the best shape he possibly can be in. How do you feel about I cause when I watched him like the explosiveness was there, like yeah out of the stance, you know, kinda like vertically he was very, very athletic, but laterally, it seemed like he struggles at times. Do you think that that is something that if he is in the best shape he possibly can be , he can be, you know, athletic enough to be able to move with some of these guys who are going to test him on the inside. I think so. Yeah. I I think that when I look at, you know, you you mentioned like Orlando Brown, you know, there are guys in the league that are built this way that have like this level of size where um they're able to hang and be okay. Is it like a strength? Are they gonna move as well as lane? No, but I I think that the he can certainly play at like a starter level from that pure like redirect standpoint. Um, and it's funny because like I've talked about like the guard transition with him. I wouldn't argue with anybody who said, like, hey, like we just want to put him in a guard. Yeah, like an awesome guard. Yeah, I think he and he would be awesome there. And I get it. Um, a lot of the issues I talked about were like he would get to the corner to uh to the top of the rush and would get beat inside. You're not asked to do that as a guard, rather, you're playing much more in a phone booth. And so if you're saying like oh he doesn't have to do that at all, and he could just kind of come off the ball, you know, and just work within a phone booth, yeah, he'll he'd be awesome there. So obviously there's just more value. You're getting more out of it if he's playing a tackle. And if you're taking him in the top ten, I think that's where you want him at. He really reminds me of Jordan Davis in the in if the Eagles were to take him, it's a very similar story on the other side of the ball. Because to me, I do have questions as to whether he'd be a tackle in an Eagles universe where they want their tackles to operate on an island, right? And from there, it's like, okay, did the Eagles just use a first round pick on a guard? And the the the ceiling is informed by the character can he get himself into good enough shape to unlock the skill set that he needs to play at the premium position. So it's not just like the weight that's a part of this. It's kind of like the whole story from like are you going to use a premium asset on a player at a non-premium position? I think he makes a lot of sense for the Eagles because of the same reasons that Jordan Davis made sense for the Eagles. Honestly, kind of the same reasons that Jalen Carter made sense for the Eagles because of their player development, something we talked to Howie about. But I think if you draft him, if you're the Eagles, especially, you have to be okay with the the low range outcome being that he is like not your Lane Johnson successor, probably your Landon Dickerson's successor, actually. Or me, or or he's just your Tyler Steen's successor. Yeah, but you know what I mean, like you're you're I think he has a pathway to be like a difference making interior offensive linemen and that's why I like use the land and Dickerson. And it is it is part of this whole conversation. I think especially with Proctor and Freeling the Eagles and how I was asked about it yesterday will tell you that that you know the absence of Jeff Statland does not affect the way they feel about this position and their confidence and their ability to develop guys. And I I think that is true. I think they are approaching things the same way. Yep. But the proof is going to be in the pudding. And if they draft a developmental type guy that he doesn't deliver, everybody is gonna be thinking that. Yeah. Um I will say in terms of like you know, spending a high pick on a guard, uh, it goes just like all these other other you know, some of these other spots, but I do think that the NFL, we are starting to see some of these guards like get paid at that, like where you would expect. You know, if we're talking top 12, let's say Caden Proctor's the 11th pick or the 12th pick. Um we have four, there are four guards right now that are paid north of 22 million, which is uh right around I would say like players that are in that bucket. That's where you're talking about like top 10 typically uh type type of selections. Uh four players in that bucket, there are 11 tackles. So much more tackled. it And goes back to like margin for error in terms of the projection and the evaluation. Um, but there are guards there. Like Trey Smith's there, Tyler Smith's there, Chris Lindstrom's there, uh, you know, the you know, Tyler, I mentioned that yeah, Tyler Smith, Tyler Smith, Trey Smith, Chris Lind strom, Titus Howard. So they're there are the four guards that are all in that spot. And there are 11 tackles in there. So uh yeah, uh to me, like a if you want to take it. Importantly, at least two of those guys were drafted as tackles. Yes. Right. And tie, you know, tight that's the thing is Titus Howard has kind of bounced back and forth. Uh Tyler Smith has shown he can bounce back and forth. They like him more guard, but you know when uh when their tackle spot is and when their the tackle's hurt, he bumps out. So um yeah, the the flexibility definitely helps. So do you think that given the other people who are likely to be available at twenty three, it would be worth it for the Eagles to move up to get Kid and Proctor? Let's say let's say it costs you both thirds. You keep your two, but you you trade both thirds to move up . Would you rather have a first and two thirds on Caden Proctor? Or you stay and you take I know. I uh I went through this in the mock when I actually I wrote that exact line. Uh essentially like in the in the mock draft that I'm doing though. I'm working on the seven rounder right now. Uh and I had them trading up to take a player that we're going to talk about. And I just like you could make the argument that it's worthwhile just staying put if you think you're going to get Ihanatora 23. Like would you rather have Ianachor and uh this day two pick or you know the player that you would trade up for . It does come down to like how you just feel about the player and how likely you think it is that he's going to hit. Uh from what I gather, I think I would do it. I mean he's my he's my two. He's my and I think he's my eleventh overall player. Um and I'm I'm definitely higher on Proctor, I think, than the consensus. Uh I I I I believe in him. I believe in him. Okay. Let's close the book on on the clock, presented by Ashley for Caden Proctor. Um I think let's save freeling for after the break. Okay. Um because I I think we can sort of you know, read a little bit the way you feel about it. You know you're not down on Caleb Lomu. No, gonna be twenty one years old, six, six and a quarter, three thirteen, passes the threshold at every uh testing metric, was just a left tackle, two years of starting experience, not the most fluid mover. Is that fair to say? I think he's a good athlete. Yeah, I think he's a good athlete. I think the athleticism isn't a question for me with him. All right. And so why is he a little bit further down your list as your number seven tackle slash guard? My two hang ups. Uh, one, the anchor strength I I think people can go right through them. Uh and so I kind of have a that's like it's like big bodied receivers that can't separate. It's like uh you know I'm trying to think of other like uh player archetypes like this. I have a blind spot. The tackles that struggle to anchor and some of them have worked out. I get it. You know, the Garrett Bowles was an old guy that couldn't anchor. Uh Colt Miller coming out of UCLA couldn't anchor. Those guys have hit and have become good starting tackles, but there are a lot of uh ways or it goes the other way as well. You know, we talked about Andre Dillard yesterday. Uh I think when you look at Lomo, like he's in that archetype of he's got great feet, he's light, he's long, he's got he like he look you know, looks good, but bull rusher can get the best of him. So that's all that's all Yeah push notification we're looking at the same thing about Caleb Lomo and uh Rapaport is reporting that he went to visit the Niners, but also that he did spend time with the Eagles as well.. Yeah I mean I to me like he fits like the idea. If you're if you think you're gonna be at like a wide zone scheme, uh I think that that he definitely fits. And he just he also like he fits the profile, right? Like he's young, he's got upside, he's long, like uh I get it. I I I would get it if they stuck at twenty three and they and they took him , I would get it. Okay. All right, let's take our quick break. On the other side, we'll get deep into Monroe Freeling , the big fella from Georgia, one year of a starter, but the arrow could be pointing up . 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No artificial flavors, sweeteners, or colors, 75% less sugar, and all the electrolytes of regular Gatorade. Now available nationwide. Back on the PHLY Eagles Podcast, Bo, Fran, and EJ. Everything sounded good. I'm I'm glad we finally agreed the uh the elephant in the room. We got it all, we got it all. We got it all out there. Good to hear. All right. Monroe Freeling from Georgia. Yes. Six, seven and a half. Three fifteen . Big old hands, long arms, ran a 4-9-3, jumped very well. This is an explosive athlete. Not a ton of experience, won and change years starting at left tackle , gonna be 22 as a rookie. Tell us about Monroe Freeling. How much work is there to be done and how high is the upside? The upside is very high. Upside is like enough where if you said four years from now, he's the best tackle of the group, I believe. it. Okay Um, and that's why I actually do have him in the same tier as Fano , Croctor, and Maui Noah. Like if you're going on the horizontal board, he's in that same bucket. Right. There's a there's a yeah, there's a top four. Yep . And I think the Eagles would love to get um really realistically one of the two other guys in the top four. And then there's a bit of a drop. Yeah. Uh with freeling, I actually think that the combine is a perfect encapsul ation. And really the big thing was he went to the combine, athletic testing was first, and he crushed the athletic testing, and he was amazing. Like the physical profile, phenomenal, as you mentioned. Uh, then he went through the field workout, and I'll you know, I'm watching every every single step of the field workout. The field workout was a mess. He stumbled a couple times. He got tossed from a drill for not doing it right and had to go back in line and do it again. Yeah. Like just there was just you know a couple like non-finishes through the so it's like uh all right ugly position workout which uh you know that's not like a red flag like oh don't draft the guy but it's just like all right like this is what we're dealing with great physical specimen high upside but still needs where you know they're re refinement is required. So it's yeah, I think that he needs you need a little bit of patience. Um to me, like I I did not I was late on the in the process to him because since he did not start last year, I didn't do him over the summer, and the first half of the season like wasn't anything to write home about. So I wasn't like he wasn't priority watch for me in like October, November. By the time I get to that stage of the calendar, now I'm focused on senior bowl guys. He declares late, so I didn't get to him until after the senior bowl. I watch him and I'm like, yep, he's he's in this bucket. He he is absolutely like top 15, top 20 player in this class. Uh, and in any class, he's a first-round pick. Now, how high does he go? Like, there's been buzz about him going like six. to Cleveland I tend to think that the the other profiles are enough that like a team like Cleveland that does you know focus on that kind of thing. Like they they would prioritize some of these other guys, but um not a not not a non-zero chance or not a zero percent chance that he could end up going that high. But also, if you told me like he got into the 20s, that also wouldn't surprise me either. And so I do think that he could get within striking distance for the Eagles. Yeah, he just like he checks every box physically that you'd want in a tackle prospect in the first round. Like and for that reason, in a pre, like when Jeff Satlin was part of the organization, it's like, yeah, get this guy in Jeff Satlin's room. Like not maybe as much as Proctor. Maybe like the the the variance is n't as high, but it does feel like he needs to land in the right system and the right the right ecosystem to bring like kind of help him with the technique side because the the little tape I watched on him, he has some like low plays, like where it's like, man, he was like not only was he not like a difference maker, he was like a true liability for them at times. But um, again, you look at the profile, like I uh I sent Lindsay his spider chart earlier today. Um, and two of the three players. Yeah, just talk and ball with Lindsay. Yeah. Um and uh the two two of the three comps that are most closely closely aligned with his testing uh were Broderick Jones and Tyler Guyton. Um you know to me . Tyler Guyton makes Blake Miller's also your type of player for the for the record. He's my type of player because the physical traits jump out, but uh yeah, watching him , you didn't really see that quite yet. Yeah, give us the background on who was playing over him in the beginning of his career. Like is that is that a minor good one flag to o. Um as a freshman, it was Amarius Mims who ended up being a top twenty pick by the Bengals. Who was the left tackle last year? He played some right tackle as well. Uh give me one second, I'll tell you. Amarius Mims, my type of guy. Yeah, no. That one I get . Let's see. All right. October 2024, Georgia's depth chart. Uh, on the offensive line. Stay with me. All right. So left tackle was Ernest Green, who was a red shirt sophomore. Still went he went back. And Ernest. Shout out Ernest. Um at right tackle, it was Xavier Truss, who was a sixty a fifth year senior. So Freeling was a true sophomore. So I guess all right. So they they had the established guy playing ahead of them. Okay. Um yeah, I just to me I I look at the film and he's uh the all the abilities there uh to be a really, really good player. And for some people, he is he is some people's like favorite, like number one tackle in this class. So when you are thinking about tackles and and projecting them, what are the things that you feel like are easily correctable, easily uh developed versus the things that are difficult, more difficult to do and and kind of non-starters. Yeah. I mean the the all the the physical qualities are the stuff that's hard to you can't coach a guy up to be able to bend. You can't catch coach a guy up to be fast out of a stance. Like to me, uh everything starts with the guy's ability to get off the ball, and that's run game and pass game. So getting off the ball, explosiveness, fast switch muscles, like a that whole deal. Like you know, do you have that initial quick ness to get off the ball? So starts there, uh the ability to to play with proper leverage, which also gives you gets into like natural bend and things like that. Uh if you see a guy that does consistently play high, which that is an issue for freelancing, is is it a like discipline and technique kind of deal or is it a physical limitation? And if it's a physical limitation, that's going to continue to be a physical limitation. Um you know and it goes back to like it's not a problem until it's a problem. So uh to me like a all the physical stuff that's what that's what i'm hoping to see um but the other aspect of that and it's one of my like uh one of the things that uh that i look for is like the competitiveness aspect of it so like if you have uh the physical tools with the competitiveness, sign me up. Like I'm um all full systems go, which is why like I'm big proctor guy. Like all right he's got all those physical tools, he's got power, he's got strength, uh, he's fast off the ball and he's nasty and will get after guys. Love it. All right. So then if you if you don't have the nasty, but you do have the physical the uh but you do have the the initial quickness, uh okay, I can I can work with it and same the other way. Like all right, this guy's a bulldog, but oh he's got some athletic limitations I can work with that too um if you don't have either then uh that that that that can be a little bit of a concern so uh to me yeah I I think you you're getting what you want uh out of freelancing Francis described why I've got such a like why I like both ends of the spectrum there. Thank you. Well here's the thing is good context. I I want the nasty, but I don't want you to only have the nasty. I agree with that. That's like the Trevor Pennick thing. Like oh this guy, though he's beat ing people up. Yeah. Yeah and he doesn't know what else he's doing. Right. He's getting run like Kyron Johnson's running around. Yeah. Like you need the nasty can't be your number one thing. Right. It's like saying a linebacker is great because he's a great blitzer. Uh it's like, all right, well, if that's the number one thing, like, you know, there's something uh you know, you're you're missing some things there. All right. Let's talk about um another player who I think we we have spent a good amount of time on over the course of the past couple months, and that's Max Ihanichor from Arizona State, twenty two years old, six six, three twenty one, long arms, good athlete, new to the game. Yep. Didn't start playing football until junior college. Yep. And he's got w two years as a starter at Arizona State, not even? Uh it's two two years plus, actually. He started five games uh in 2023. Okay. Uh this is uh as Howie said yesterday about Duntabian Wicks, an arrow up player, potentially, but you know, at twenty-three overall, is that is that a a gamble worth taking? You tell me . I think in this class at twenty-three, I'm okay with it. I think in any class he's a first round player. A little bit low down on your a little bit i be only because like he is in that developmental stock i don't know if i feel good enough to say like oh yeah he's definitely gonna hit like that's where so like to me like i have it where he's in the same bucket as Lomo, I have a higher grade on Ihanatar than Lomo , but he's in the same bucket as Lomo because I do have quite like it's it's not a foregone conclusion that he's definitely gonna hit. Now I love the physical traits. You talk about like the the size, check athleticism, fast twitch, explosiveness, check, strength, check, power, check, like competitiveness, check. All that's there. Um technique can still improve. Uh, I think like in terms of like the uh all the mental stuff, like recognizing things, all that that can definitely improve, which is understandable. Guys like new to the game. Uh position versatility, question mark, he's only played right tackle. Uh so like can he play any other spot? I think that's a question. Um, but outside of that, like you know, I feel really, really good about the player. And again, in like any draft, I could see him going 28, 31. Yeah, you know, like but in this class, yeah, like if he if he went 22 wooden shock. Okay. You can more so than the rest of the guys. You can watch a cut up of him that makes him look like a top 15 pick or a top 10 pick in my opinion. Like he looks awesome in the right usage if you if you pick if you pluck the right plays. Uh I watched him against Bailey, uh, against Texas Tech, and like I thought it he like looked like a work in progress. He didn't like chaotic or you know, it wasn't as bad as um who were mentioning earlier. Was it Freeling that was that really struggled? Lomu that really struggled against him. He seemed better than Lomu, uh, in that very specific uh matchup. But I liked him. I really again like you know you can see the upside. The one thing I wanted to ask you, Fran, is like he's got like the former basketball player, like, is he nasty enough? Yeah. Question. I guess where do you fall on that? Uh that that is a valid question. Where I where he sold me was at the senior bowl. Yeah. Where the that group, that O-line D-line group, uh, it was like fisticuffs every day and he was in the thick of it. Okay. Every day. And I was down there. I was down there on the field for the last day. Yeah. And he was nasty. He was he was getting after it. Um so like didn't back down. Like we've we've seen some offensive linemen , you know, uh in practice where like maybe things get a little you know, there's l there's some there's some tussling going on and then say some guys want that smoke and some guys don't. Yeah. Uh he he was he was all for it. So yeah, he he won me over in that area. He checked the bucks and this is why this is why we ask you these questions. Is he for you, EJ? Would he be your number five guy after the top four? Would you prefer him to Lomu and the dastardly Blake Miller ? Yeah, I would say he's my number five guy. Yeah. I I listen, I defer to Fran for most of this stuff but yeah, I I like the traits he guys. I like especially in this class, I like guys that are like he can play tackle. Like I don't I don't have the worry about having to bump him inside after he struggles in his first couple seasons. Okay . All right, let's take our last break on the other side. We will get to the bottom of whatever it is that Blake Miller did to Fran Duffy, his family , the Temple Owls , whatever it is, we're going to find out. We're going to get to the bottom of it. And then we're going to talk about some of the other players throughout the draft who could make sense for the Seagulls team as our tackle preview rolls off. It is that time of year. 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Chevrolet, together, let's drive. Back on the PHOI Eagles Podcast. Time now to discuss Blake Miller, the Clemson tackle . 6'6 , three-quarters, almost 6'7, 317. This is a four-year starter at the prestigious Clemson University. Most people have him as a first round prospect , top six, top seven tackle in the class. For Fran , he's tackle guard number ninety-three. That's right. Undraftable grade. That's not true. Uh but he is very far down there. Yeah. He's outside of your top 150, I believe. Yes . I have a back upgrade. You have a backup grade on him. I can only and and I I am on board with you here, right ? If he has ever at any point in his life thought fondly , talked to no don't do looked at Steve Adazio? No . He's off my board too. Okay. Is that what's going on here? No. Oh, okay. No. All right. I actually don't think so. Let me let me let me check it out. No, there's only one guy, I believe, who has an Adazio connection. Uh Santas, who I like is a good player. Okay. Tell us about Blake Miller and why you think he's UGLY and got no alibi. He's looking at Blake Miller's recruiting. His recruiting page to see if he uh got me nefarious offers. That is where I go to like check all that stuff out. All right . Four-year starter has played a ton of football, never missed a game, never missed a practice. So it's like the Iron Man stuff. Uh EJ loves that. Quintessential. Like, yep, exactly. This is right up EJ's alley. Quintessential, like tough guy, like all those aspects. Like everyone loves the intangible aspect with Blake Miller, you know what you're getting, like all that stuff. Where I just struggled is I didn't see, you know, we talk about with Proctor and with all these other guys, there was like some elite physical trait that got me excit ed. It's whether it's power, whether it's size, whether it's athleticism, you know, the the the anchor strength, the whole deal. I thought that, and again, this is based off the film, I thought the athleticism was solid . The strength, I thought, was okay. He's not a power guy. So it's like not scheme, you know, he's not a guy that's gonna move people off the ball. Um I thought even like technically, like technique-wise, it was like just okay. Run game, I thought was worse than pass protection . Um, I thought his finishing was like okay. He's only played right tackle. Just like, yeah, it's just uh to me, like there was there was not there was nothing there for me to get super excited about, and the way I view a player like this is like yeah he he could become a starter like it's possible that he becomes like a you know a a low end like starting right tackle in the NFL but I can I can get that playing start I don't want to spend the 28th pick on that. I have one go ahead. I've got a rebuttal here. Okay. Because he's I I I liked his tape. I when I watched him, I enjoyed it. I enjoyed it. Um is he is it is he not Monroe Freeling with more of that like that shaky tape. He's played more than Monroe Freeling, but like to me they seem similar in that they have the physical traits that say, okay, this guy can be a difference making tackle in the NFL. No, I think his I think his traits are so much better on film Monroe Freeling. Yeah. To me, like I did not see next level athlete on film. And even like see here's the thing. Like everyone uses RAS right now. Yeah . It's not that I don't it's not like I dislike it. I think that there are things about I think yeah, I think that there are RAS where I'm looking at right now because I I do weight adjusted for every single number, and he's above average across the board, but somehow he has a 994 RAS. And it's like, why I why? I don't understand like how that literally every number is above average across the board from a weight. The only thing that was like was good was the jumps. Yeah, but say it was a good jumps. The jumps were the jumps were good. The jumps were good. Not great. They were good. All everything else was like solid. Um, again, he's played a ton of football. There's a lot to like, but that said, like for a guy who has started 54 games, that was like one of the things that someone asked me this was like, Oh, like, yeah, I I see you know you don't really like Miller, huh? Did you watch the bowl game against Penn State, against denied Dennis Sutton And. I'm like, yeah, he has started fifty four games. You're telling me that his fifty fourth start is the one that's supposed to swing me? Like uh for a guy that has played as much as he has, the technique is not where I want it to be. Like so I'm like if it's not gonna be a good thing. That's a fair criticism. I'm curious about the process here because you know that you're out on a limb on Blake Miller relative to everybody. So I imagine you have revisited Blake Miller several times to be like, okay, let's see if if I'm missing something. Like how many times do you think you've watched Blake Miller? Three separate occasions. I can tell you . Three separate occasions. And it's no, I'll see you. I see a backup tackle. No, but this is what Fran said at the beginning of the show. This is the type of player that Fran would be lower on because he does not have exceptional power. Doesn't seem like he's got a great anchor. I think the reason why like somebody like me would be like, you know, I could see it with a guy like him is because you see the upside through the traits. But I think to your point, Fran, if he can't anchor ever, then he's not gonna stick in the NFL. So I think it's fair. And you know, this is why this is why we that's why we love the diehard draft guide. You're not getting consensus takes uh on this, yeah. And I appreciate that. Look, if if he goes, let's say he goes twenty sixth, right? Or he he goes nineteenth, whatever. If he he goes somewhere late first round, he's gonna get a runway, right? So it's like all right, like he gets a little bit stronger. I I don't wanna hear like oh like he gets an NFL weight room. He's a Clemson. Like they're they're not trying to He's a he has played plenty. He's been in an N in a NFL quality weight program. Like, you know, now next time a Clemson offensive lineman hits in the NFL will probably be the first. Like the only the only time one has really stuck has been John Simpson uh at guard in the last few years. Um you know, so this is not a program that is known for turning out NFL talent. Now that's not a reason to dislike him, but uh to me, like I'm looking at Blake Miller, I just don't I don't see any special physical quality to get me excited about. And yet there is a real possibility that he becomes a Philadelphia Eagle. I would be I would be really surprised if uh if the Eagles thought that how it doesn't seem like a Howie type. No, it does not. Yeah, it definitely does not. Depends on who's there, I guess. Like, but the other guys we've talked about feel more like Eagles type picks. Okay. If to me, like, he's an Eagles pick because of like hashtag dog mentality and that he tested well enough that you could not. It is not , you know , this is a guy who Howie could draft in the second round. Right. He's not going to be there. But the type of player he could draft in the sec ond round, this is not the kind of athlete no that Howie Roseman uses a first round pick. I would be really, really, really surprised if he was the if he was the Eagles first round pick. Okay. I agree with that. Uh all right, let me ask you, let's do let's do a quick little exer cise. I'm gonna ask everybody to name one other tackle who you think screams Howie , screams Eagle. Okay, and then we'll all say it at the same time. I wanna see if we have any overlap, okay? Okay. Do you have a guy in mind? I already give a minute to look. No, I've got somebody who like, I don't know if I think like, oh man, the profile screams Eagles, but I've got my reason to say it. So I'm good. Okay. Mm-hmm. Ready? On the count of three. Three, two, one. Mark Mark Hell B ell. That's very funny . You and Bell too. Very good. Markel Bell. All three of us. Twenty two years old. That's funny. Nine and a quarter , three forty-six , thirty-six and five eighth inch arms. That's longer than any other tackle in the sample level lead players. And yet he's got only nine inch hands, which I find interesting. Which is which is kind of funny. Runs a five, three, six. So this is a guy very developmental, but you the the you know planet theory, there's not a lot of guys built like this who can move like this from Miami, I should say. Tell us about Markel Bell and and why he could make sense in third. Probably third round. If you told me that third round, yeah, if you told me he went round pick. If you if you told me he went in the late second round because of position scarcity, I would believe it because doing this mock draft exercise, like yeah, it dries up pretty quick at tackle. We should net we should mention Eagles pre-jaft physic guy. Yes. So the Eagles have had him in, which is usually a good indicator. Uh junior college, first couple years. So played there in 2022 at uh Holmes Community College and then moved on to yeah, still was at home. So is at Holmes in 2022 and 2023, went to Miami in 2024 and was a backup to Jalen Rivers who was who was a bat a draft pick by the uh by the Dolphins last year. And by the Becky Eagles pre-draft visit back then. Right. So so he backed up Jalen Rivers while uh you had Maui Noah on the other side. So this was his first year starting at left tackle. So you got one year starting experience at the college level. Um , I actually thought that he was more refined than I expected going. I I expected it to be a little, you know, more up and down, a little bit more volatile. And I thought that he was at the end of the day, it is kind of like Orlando Brownish, where it's like he is so big and so long and he's not a bad athlete. It's like guys can't get around . Yeah, guys can't get around him. It should it should usually give you two and a half seconds. Yeah. Yeah. Did you see what my comp is? No. It's the same comp as Brandon Thorne. I mean, I was and I we had it separately, and I was so happy that it was it's actually a former eagle. So that that should narrow it down because there aren't a lot of like King Dunlap and a big hit. King Dung Dunlap. King Dunlap. Who became a starting tackle. But he's heavier than King was, at least in the beginning. King King filled out by like year six. Right. Yeah. When he was with the Chargers. Yep. Um real sick, as well. I did not like King Dunlap watching the Eagles as a k id. Just out on him . You're a hater. I mean, it was a seventh round pick, it was an unbelievable . It was like 13 years old. I didn't care about the process that they got him. I cared that he couldn't. I liked King on the edge. Yeah. I know King Dunlap. Um yeah, I I like Markel Bell. Uh yeah, I to me like traits. Uh he had a so plays the national championship game, days later, uh, you know, I guess it was like in the eight days, nine days later, is in mobile at the senior bowl. Uh, so you know, was one of two hurricanes to go through the all-star game process. A lot of those guys said, No, Indiana, same thing. A lot of those guys didn't through it. So shows up at the senior bowl and gets posterized first play. One-on-ones. Oh yeah. Derek Moore. Yeah. So Derek Moore puts a foot in the ground, bull rush, and just like flattened. Yeah. It was bad. Went viral, whole thing. Um, so you would think like all right, like bounce back was awesome the rest of the week. Yeah, so everyone would be like, Oh yeah, Markel Bell was brutal in the senior ball. He had that one rep. Um, and honestly, there was a like um I know he has like changed like trainers throughout the process there was like consternation about like if you are the person like if you are his agent you are his reps like why would you let him go to the senior level days after you know put playing in the national champ championship game all, these other guys have been training for it for for weeks. Um but I think that speaks to the kid too. Like I think that speaks to like the competitiveness. And I think that other I think NFL teams are like on the lookout for like markers like that. Yeah. That kind of speak to like the work ethic and love for the game and all that stuff. Howie was talking about it yesterday when he was when he was when he said the thing about that for the first time ever in the NFL, we're asking players to take a pay cut. Yep. You gotta find guys who you really love ball. Yeah. And that yeah, like that's a that's a marker thing that that could send a message. Yep. Tiny nippick with him. Just tiny. Didn't like play with a lot of like power. There wasn't like a lot of pop. You know it it with a guy that big you're expecting like yeah him to just maul people. It didn't seem like he quite had that yet. I think that so like the way I think of power is like the you know the classic like high school science like force equals mass times acceleration. So it's like he is not a like explosive athlete. So like explosiveness with mass with size, that equals power. Uh so the guys that are big and run well, I'm like, yep, that's that's the there's raw power there. That that jump well, that there's raw power there. He did not test great. Yeah, he tested more like the Orlando Brown, like Trent Brown type. So like Trent Brown's another great example of like just a huge body that's not a great athlete and is like sloppy technique and like but has started in the NFL for years and years and years just because he he can. Like, and that's kind of how I view Mark L. Bell. EJ, how do you think someone's asking about Cameron Williams? How do you think the Cameron Williams factors in here? Uh uh Cameron Williams is not stopping them from using a first. Yeah, that's what I was gonna say. Yeah, but in terms of okay, we we didn't get a guy in the first round. How much do we need another tackle in the development rotation? You know, do you think uh do you think that factors? Do you think the Eagles are definitely going to draft a tackle in the first four rounds? Yeah, I think the first four rounds probably don't have much Cameron Williams won't have much impact on that. I think once you get into like the day three flyers, like, oh, could we develop to could we develop this guy? You might feel like we already have a guy in Cameron Williams that we feel good about. But I think in terms of like trying to find potential impact players, potential Lane Johnson successors, even though I like to separate the two, I don't think the Cameron Williams factors in too much with that. Even though they are bullish on him. A few more players to discuss , which I believe, Lindsay, we can do in over time . Next up is Demetrius Crownover, who longtime listeners will remember from yesterday's show. Demetrius Crownover, 67319. And he's off me and EJ's board. Yeah, that's nice. Uh EJ EJ hates the stance and I hate the age. He's gonna be twenty-five years old as a rookie, but he's your uh he's your tackle eight. Yep. What can try to convince us on uh Mr. Crown over it's this I to me it's the same conversation as Markel Bell, where he is just he's big, he's long . I think you want to say like he could be Fred Johnson, like uh I think he's Fred Johnson. Like I I think that's kind of what you're talking about here. Now I compare him like an upside case, I think he could be like a Patrick Paul, who ended up being a second round pick out of Houston. Uh it was a two-year starter down there for the Cougars. And is it turned actually had a solid year this year, his second year at left tackle for the Miami Dolphins. So that would be the upside case, but I do think that it's I would say it's probably more likely that he's more in that swing tackle range and that's kind of where I have him. I have him graded actually he's in the same bucket as Ihan chor and Lomu where like I could see him becoming a starter. Um, but I think his stuff is like more like technique related, which if he can get get it fixed, like I think he could be a serviceable player. Um, but obviously those guys have higher grades. Now he's an older prospect, so you have to take it with a grain of salt, but he does have like real power to me. Yes. He's got actual play strength that shows up. Are there any other guys? I I've got a couple I want to ask you about Fran, but in when you watched guys, EJ, who who looked good to your eye, they uh Fran the outside of the guys we talked about? Yes. Not too much. Honestly, I I spent a lot of time working on the guys I knew we were gonna spend a lot of time talking about. Uh two players in particular who we know the Eagles have brought in for pre-draft visits, aside from Mark Calbell, Jude Bowery, from Boston College. Yep. And Isaiah World from Oregon. Both of them uh 23 years old. Jude Bowery, six, six and a half, three eighteen. Long arms. Isaiah World six eight, three twenty. He's coming up an injury, right? Yes. Uh so Bowery. He um, you know, he started for he was the the starter at left tackle for the last two seasons, missed some time in each of those years. Um little bit of a slow burn for me, where I didn't love on him film the first time I saw him. Uh and then I didn't love him at the senior ball. I thought he was okay in mobile, but like didn't like blow me away. Watched him again on film and I was like, uh the first time where I watched him, I'm like, okay, I get it, because there are some people that really like him, was watching him go through the workout at the combine. I was like, okay, like this guy is well put together and he moves well. Like that was one where I'm like, okay, I could see it. Uh I do think that he's probably more like round three, round four. Um has only really played left out. He played a little bit of right tackle as a freshman in 2022. Uh, but yeah, I I think that he's a guy that like potential starting upside, needs a lot of work, needs some patience, probably better suited as a long-term swing. Okay, and how about Isaiah World? Isaiah World, like so like uh you know, like Nate Tice was a very fun amusement park. Yeah, right. Yeah. Isaiah World was a he was like Nate Tice was really high on him. There were but there are others in the media space that were very high on him. Uh I I did didnn't't see it like at Nevada. So he was three years at Nevada and then transferred to Oregon last offseason. Uh now this is the case with a lot of young with a lot of the guys that have played a lot of ball is that the the numbers on them are kind of warped because it's like, oh, like when they played early, they got beat up. So like pressure rate stuff, like sacks allow, like all that stuff is gonna look really, really bad. And that's the case with world. Uh a ton of penalties, especially early on. Problem is that the penalties have kind of followed him through. He's been flagged a ton. Uh I don't see a high-level athlete. I d he's another one where I kind of struggle. I'm like, all right, I don't know like where it is that like you win. I think he was probably more of a backup player. I have him just slightly higher graded than Blake Miller, where like, okay, like he's only really played left tackle. Uh or no, actually he played, he played a little bit of right tackle very early on in his career. Um, but you know, it's mostly been a left tackle over the course of the last few seasons. He's a big kid. He's got better size than Miller. Um, so that's what gave gave him the edge for me. But he tore his ACL in January. He tore his ACL in the title game against Indiana. So this is a this is a whole red shirt year for him for Isaiah World. I got two more for you. Yep. There's one guy we're missing that is up near the top. It's like in my top eight. Caleb Tiernan. No, Caleb Tiernan. We have a top here. Yes. Northwestern. Let's talk about him. Six seven, three twenty-nine, short arms. Really short arms. Uh good jumps for his size. Yep. To me, this is I uh the the profile of a guy who I could see in the second round if he's still there. I don't know if he lasts that late in the second round, given how early the other guys are gonna go. But you you are quite a big fan of Caleb Tiernan. Yeah, I I like Caleb Tiernan. Uh he' plasyed uh left tackle and right tackle, so there's some flexibility. Some people think that he would be a better guard. You know, I think a lot of that has to do with the the the arm length issue. Um he did like as I was watching him, I'm like, this looks like a guy that the Packers take in like the second or third round and he becomes a star ter for eight years, which you have you know Sean Manion and uh you know some former Packers coaches on the staff. So you know that it's possible they could see him that way. Um I just to me like I in the Big ten, you kind of get put through the ringer from a pass rusher standpoint. And so watching him against some of the the better rushers on the schedule, I thought he fared pretty well. Uh I thought that he was a he was really calm and confident. Um, to me, like he is what Blake Miller everyone wants Blake Miller to be. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's kind of how I view Tiernan. Like, I don't view Tiernan as a Pro Bowl player, but I think he's like an adequate starter. And I think that to me, like he he fit he checks a lot of boxes where I'm like, yeah, he's not like he's not gonna be at the a top ten tackle in football, but uh I I I liked him. thought that he had starting potential. Those arm that arm length really does show up though. Like uh you can I mean it's just it's hard to miss, but I thought he moved really well. I enjoyed watching him. A guy who if they draft him probably competes with Steen right away. Like I I I'm I am curious about what they would do with the development plan. Yeah. If they use a first two round pick on a player, are they gonna just let them focus on tackle and get that right and be ready in case somebody goes down or they're gonna give them a chance to play right away and and compete at right guard. It's it's an inch it's a it's a tough decision. It's tough too because a lot of the guys, you know, Maui if it was Maui Noah, it's like, oh yeah, you could probably kick him into guard. Like that's kind of the the thought there is that he could be really good there. Proctor, I think a lot of people feel like, yeah, you could put him into you can kick him into guard. But like I don't think Monroe Freeling's a guard. I think he's too tall to play guard. Uh I don't think Ihanitur is a guard. Uh and I the the reason I would worry about that is that with the the c loser you move to the ball, like when you slide inside, things happen faster for a guy that hasn't played a ton of ball, like that. That would concern me as like kind of throwing him into the fire that way. Uh, especially since he hasn't done it at all. I don't think low moves a guard. Um, you know, they espe'cireally not early. So uh that's where a lot of these guys I'm like, yeah, I kind of view them as tackle-only prospects. And so that would be that would make it a little bit of a cloudy projection. Okay . Uh I wanted to quickly hit you on Austin Barber. Yep. From Florida, and Chris Adams from Memphis, who I know Brandon Thorne is a big fan of. He got some bad advice in the uh in the run up to the combine. Somebody should have told him to not run the shuttles and the three cones because that's some of the worst times I've ever seen. Right. Just don't run it, dude. But well, they they they gotta fix the they gotta fix that whole deal with the the shuttles and the three cones, like moving them earlier in the workout because that this has been now the last like six, seven years, it being after the whole TV workout. Yeah. Uh where they'd be they do basically they do the the forty, they do the jumps, yeah, then they do the forty , then they do the field workout, and then drill. So all the shuttles like that's why you see running backs like don't do the shuttles anymore. The whole the one year they just said like,, none of us are doing it. We are all sitting out. Yeah, they got to fix it. It's crazy that it's taken this long. Um, but Chris Adams was solid. I didn't, I didn't love him uh on tape. I saw more of a backup play. Actually, had yeah, he's lower on the stack than Blake Miller for me. I thought that he was like a developmental swing tackle. The Blake Miller line. Yeah. I thought he was a developmental swing tackle, was kind of how I viewed Chris Adams personally. Um and then who do we say? Austin Barber. Austin Barber. Barber is just kind of like your cause he was in first round mock drafts in the summer. Uh and I did not see that at all. That reminded me of Jack Driscoll. Hmm. I could see that. Yeah. Cause uh like I thought he was a solid athlete, not a special athlete, not a power player, but he's strong and tough and will mix it up. Uh has played left tackle, but I think probably you know he probably better suited to play guard. Um, but I think you know I have him listed as like a swing tackle. I just didn't see I liked him more than Miller, but similar to Miller, didn't see like an A physical trait to get excited about. Okay. Yeah, I mean that makes sense. We're talking about a third, fourth round. Yeah. Yep. Okay. Uh reminder. If you missed it at the beginning of the show, you can join us on night one of the NFL draft and just say, well, hopefully start a cheer at Chickens and Pete's in Marlton. That's it's just not Blake Miller. Not Blake Miller. I hope Blake Miller has a great career. Blake Miller. For the record. Well Yeah. Prove me wrong. You hope you hope he has a great career that is still somehow the one hundred and sixty-fifth best career of everybody in this clas No. I because it's not, you know, like I I hope other there have been plenty of guys there that I was wrong on. It's like, oh, it's it's cool to watch that player and it's uh I I hope it's a good learning experience for me. Okay . Never root against a guy. Well I know that. Yeah, I'll root against him for your sake . EJ, anything else? No. A good exercise for me, I would say. Because I'll be honest, I came into the studio a little bit cooler on some of these guys. Uh and you you maybe maybe you talked me in on a couple of these guys. What did I move the needle for you most on? I've I've really struggled with Proctor. I don't Well, I do know why I've struggled so much with him. I struggled with Freeling. Yeah, Freeling to me, he is what he is. You know, he's like you're but you're betting on all the traits. Yeah. So did you like more the did you like him or he Hanator more? I struggle a little bit with Ihanator too. Yeah. I think it's a it's a projection with both. I think it's I I more I just I don't trust myself and so I I trust you and uh g give me freeling instead. But but I am in on Proctor. That experience would be very fun to me. Yeah. I think I I think Proctor is like long gone by twenty three. I think that's right. You know, I think him making it past fifteen is probably like uh to me, like that's the floor is fifteen. Uh the box of fifteen. I am just you know, big picture thinking about who's gonna be there at twenty-three . If it's if it's Ihan chor , one of the receivers, who we will talk about on Friday. Or like I I don't know if it's exciting. Like, I don't think they're taking a safety. And if if Falk is gone and the top four tackles are gone and Sadiq is gone , I don't know. It's gonna feel it's gonna feel a little bit like the wind is out of the sails, I think. I think they move up. Who they move up for, I think, is the more interesting debate . I think it would be about who would fall. Th I had Freeling falling within striking distance. I don't think he would make it to them, but I had fre eling falling within fr striking distance. So I had them going up from twenty-th rough twenty to take freelan. Moving up freeling . You'd have yeah, I think you'd have to. I don't I don't I really I d I don't think he makes it to twenty three. So if you're gonna take him, I think you gotta move up for him. Um Pittsburgh's gonna take a tackle. That's what is kind of what I'm hearing. Is like that it's either tackle or wide receiver. So you're gonna have to get a I I think you gotta get ahead. So if if unless there are two of those guys on the board, like if Proctor and Freeling are there, then it's like, all right, we'll take whoever they don't take. Uh, but then you're hoping the Chargers don't take, you know, so like if Proctor falls to the Chargers, the Chargers could view him as a guard and we're gonna take them and then you're then you're out of luck. I'd move up for I'd move up for Proctor . I would move up a few spots for Ihanichor. I like him I like his profile. Yeah I like his profile more. Freeling makes me nervous. I mean he's a fun player, but yeah, it's just yeah. See, I I think the uh the the further we've gotten removed from the stat in move like the more I'm like I don't change I don't think it changes their process I don't think it changes who they target it makes me it changes how I feel about results yeah yeah I agree with that yeah yeah I think it's a move point. I think they should move up for Sadiq still. After watching the tackles, I still think Sadiq would be and you know I might do this. How high would you move up? You would take Sadiq over Proctor? I would take Sadiq over Proctor. Really? Yes. I would take Proctor all day long. Yeah. I think there's enough of a scenario where Proctor's playing guard for you anyway that you take a sure thing and a sure impact player at a non-premium position. I don't agree that he's a sure uh Yeah, we disagree on that. If he's Isaiah likely . What if he's Isaiah Likely? Souped up. Chica Conquo. Yeah, but what if well what if he's less he's not souped up Isaiah likely? What if he's Isaiah likely? I can live with with him being like the if he's Chigakonquil, he's better than Chigakonquil. Yeah. What do you what are we talking about really here You?'re like tight end thirteen in the NFL or something like that? Right. Right. And if if Proctor is a starting guard, that guy goes for more money ? Yeah . I'm still I still lean Sadiq. More I'm I I mean the worst case scenario, like yes, you might be getting a league average starting guard that's worth a light a little bit more than a league average starting tight end . I think Sadiq would be it would be a good idea The other thing with Sadiq is that he is a he is still like as Fran would put it like a combo tight end. Like you can still it affords you more schematic versatility, which I think is added value there. So but how high would you move up for him? Like how many picks would you give up for him? Would you give up two thirds ? I think I would. I think I would. In this class? I don't think so. But that's the thing about this class is like you want to make sure you get an impact player. This is a team that's trying to win next season. This is a team that has a lot of to do still. Come on. But I'm saying like in this class is in like would you rather have you know insert tackle and then the third round tight end? Right versus in this deep tight end card. Would I rather have like Nate Borkacher and Kaden Brock? Or would I rather have Kenyan Sadiq and then I mean who would are like are we talking Markel Bell ? I'd rather have Sadiq and Bell. Yeah. I do have in my mind that that first of the two third round picks, if they don't move around, that is like they're taking the the tight end from that second group that they like. Right. That's kind of how I have it pegged in my mind right now. Have you gotten there yet? You're a seven rounder? Uh no. No. I'm j I'm very close to it, but I'm not not quite there. I'm gonna save mine. I think I wanna do like the best case scenarios for the Eagles in the first round or something like that. Hmm . Yeah. Gritty fullback you're gonna put in there . They trade their first round pick for like Charlie Kohler . What a dream come true for you . All right . Think we're good? Right? Think so. Okay. That's all we got. That's a good group of super chats, right? Do we have a super chat? There's one . Cash quatch. What range do you expect these tackles to go? Is there a world where an early tackle run pushes an excellent prospect down the board like with Quinyan? Yes, we were we sort of talked about this yesterday. Yep. Um I mean I do think that like Caleb Downs is the one where the draft room would be Hooten and Hollerin. Yep. If he came within range . Wait, are we doing just tackles or are we talking that other tackles go early? Oh, okay. Sorry. I thought I was listening to the football. Who is it that could go? Okay . I don't think Caleb Downs makes it past the Cowboys at twelve . Now, there's been a lot of buzz. I know, like uh I'm pretty sure I know Melk Hyper had the Cowboys trading up. I know I think McShea had the Cowboys trading up. Two mock drafts that dropped today. I haven't looked through them, but like saw them, like the reaction on social media. Since Will McClay has taken over, is like leading the draft room in Dallas. He has traded up in the first three rounds one time, and it was for DeMarcus Lawrence in his second in his first draft in 2014. They have not traded up on the first three rounds at all since that point. Um the only time they've traded up in the first for first round period in the last like fifteen, twenty years was for Mo Claiborne in twenty twelve. Like they just they just don't do it. So it would be very against their nature when they're already down like premium picks. I would be surprised if they made a big move up. I'm sure they explored it, but I I think I'd be shocked if they ended up doing it. So I do think it's more likely that they stick that they stay there at that spot uh and end up taking a player. And I actually think there's a decent chance that Caleb Downs does fall.. Okay So is there anybody else who you think would be that could fall from that range down ? That would interest them? Yeah, that's a thing. That are non so non tackle? Non-cktale . The one you're hoping for is Sadiq, but again, like I think the Sadiq range is as early as thirteen, but I think it's probably more likely like fourteen, which is Baltimore. I could see potentially Tampa, but I don't think it'll be Tampa. So it's it's 14 . It's 18 Minnesota, 19 Carolina . Those are the three spots I think that you're most worried about. What about Bain? I think B ane is I'm just going through real quick. I think Bane starts at number nine to Kansas City. I think it could be Cincinnati at ten. I think it could be Miami at eleven. I think he could be Baltimore at fourteen. And I think that's the floor. Yeah. I think like that is a classic, like, oh, like DaCosta does it again, like another great player falls to the Ravens. Like I could see that being the Ruben Bain falling spot. Okay. Somebody's got to if if if the four tackles go in the top fifteen, somebody gets pushed down. Four tackles go. So you're talking freeling in that group. Yes. Right. Yeah. If the fo if all four tackles go in the fifteen, thenhen the one that actually I would have my eye on would be Mansor Delaney falling out of there. But again, I don't think that would interest. Yeah, that's the yeah, that's the thing. That's where I get to and maybe you know, maybe who someone takes a corner, but they take McCoy over him. Here's the one. Actually no this is the answer. It's Jordan Tyson. Hmm. So here's the the what you would need for Jordan Tyson to fall is you need Carnell Tate to fall to New Orleans. Because I think New Orleans is taking a receiver. So if it's Carnell Tate, if Carnell Tate goes to the Browns, then they're going to take Jordan Tyson. If they don't, then I think that Tyson could fall. I had him going to Baltimore last week at 14. Uh, it's possible that he could go end up with the Jets. Like I tell that's but because of the injury stuff, like some people are gonna be okay with it and some people aren't. Um, so that would be the guy that you know maybe you've gotten a strike. And we we will will do wide receivers on Friday. Yep. Yep. I think you'll join us remotely for that, hopefully. But early book is you would you would be very happy with that, Tyson ? Uh it's it's boom bust. Okay. Yeah. I I like the player. I struggle to like love him. Yeah. Do you actually do you want to know who my comp was for him over the summer? So off of 2024 film, twenty yeah, off of twenty twenty four film coming into this year. Nelson Angler. That reminds me by the way. Okay. I I need to apologize to the audience. One of the one of the biggest mistakes of my entire career. Uh oh. Oh wow. I really, really am ashamed of this. I'm so sorry. Yesterday, when we were ranking Howie Roseman's draft picks, we included Nelson Aguilar. He was the Howie was not the GM. Chip Kelly was the GM. From me to you, I will do better. I will try to make sure that that doesn't happen again. That is an abdication of my responsibility. I'm sorry. And I should apologize as well. Even though I didn't cover the team back then, I should have known that. Yeah, but that's on me. It's on us. Okay, go ahead. Who was your comp? Dontavian Wicks. Oh, that's interesting. Um, he had a lot of drops in 2024. Uh Tyson did. But you saw like the route running, the play strength, like it, but and it was like, I don't know if he's a true like three-level threat. Um , you know, yards after catch was just okay. So I I he kind of of reminded me Wicks. The more I watch this year, the so he er raced the drops this year. He was catching like everything. Um he plays through contact really well. And so like if you squint, you're like, oh like I could see him being like Jackson Smith and Jigba and I'm watching and it's like, oh like you can kind of all right I can kind of get there. Then he gets hurt again. It's like oh I I'm a I'm a little I'd be a little concerned to take Jordan Tyson. That would that's a that's a boom bust pick. He could hit he's kind of the he has the profile of the guys that are hitting in that like in that position right now, whereas he's not like a burner, but good route runner. I'm right about the profiles of this wide receiver class. That's a little little preview. It's gonna be a fun discussion. Yeah. I'm not sure. They are all to me, like they are all wide receiver like twos, like one B types. Like Carnel Tate, like which is fine. Like that's all he's been in college. And I think like that's kind of what I view for him in the NFL . But those guys, it's kind of like tackle. Like those guys get paid. They get paid. So I think they're just gonna they're gonna go. Okay. I don't love Lemon. But I like Concepcion a lot. But if they draft him and you're at the draft party, we can have a old fashioned lemon party. You're too young even for that. I mean I was giving him like a pity laugh. Oh no. Is it inappropriate? No. No. I'm not great. One of the great things that's ever existed on the internet . Uh you know what? Let's it's an awkward transition. But we should talk about it. Uh because everybody's been asking us to, and we said that we would wait until they were actual tangible developments. So let's let's talk about the Diana thing for a sec. Um here's how I will start. I do feel like an idiot. Um shame on me . I'm serious, EJ. Don't look at me like that. Shame on me in the year 2026 to still be surprised and caught off guard by the level of anger on the internet. That is that is a bad job by me. And it makes me feel very dumb. As to what happened, two things. First of all, if it if it is what it looks like, which we still don't know, but if that's what it is, it is obviously crossing a line that merits significant repercussions that are being felt . Um, and it's a thing that makes me sad because it's not just the the personal ramifications but also the unintended consequences for every woman in sports journalism, uh, and the way that they are being treated by the very vocal cohort of gleeful misogynists who are like very grossly reveling in this story. Love this. Yeah. Um the combination of anger and like revelry about it it it it makes me feel very uncomfortable. Um and that sucks . It's not good. We can have a conversation about like insider dumb another day. This is not that, but that is a that is a separate thing. Uh secondly, as it pertains to the Eagles, as we talked about the other day, I I do not believe that this is an Eagle story . Uh and it is possible that I am wrong about this, but I don't think that any of this means that Diana's reporting about A.J. Brown was pulled from thin air. Um, it is reporting that has been echoed by all of the other insiders in slightly more couched language . If you've been paying attention, and no one invented the notion that the Rams were this close to trading for him, which they discussed openly at the owners' meetings. Yes. Um Howie Roseman, Jeffrey Lurie, Nick Siri ani, AJ Brown himself have had all kinds of opportunities to publicly , you know, say that that stuff is incorrect or call it to account. Also, the Eagles are very, very good at using those same insider channels to message their message to the public. If they felt like this was being uh was it was a huge mischaracterization of what is going on, they would have done so. Yep. So I I don't feel like this is a thing that is uh should make Eagles fans feel some kind of way. Uh I think we are all annoyed by By the AJ Brown thing still being in the Zeitgeist and waiting for it to play out. I would love to, I would love to have a resolution there. You know, I how many times can you and I bet turkeys on what's going to happen? Yeah. Feels like we've been doing it like four times a a week for for three months. Unfortunately, we have to keep waiting. Um aside from that, it's it's just it's just a bummer. It sucks. Yep. I think that's incredibly well said. I don't have much to add other than just trying to address both our audience and also like the the clip that was recirculated from the Super Bowl. And I think it really boils down to we are always tr we always try to be very respectful of everyone, you know, especially in this industry and also our audience. And um we were try we've been trying to navigate that. And if we we didn't know the information that we know now when we when that clip when we we talked in that clip, obviously. Um, that changes things. This was an obvious ethical breach. Um, we wanted to wait until there was more information out. Um, and I don't I just I don't want to be I want to make it clear because there have been people who have reached out to me that like said that we were like dismissive of them, and I don't I hate that. Like I don't want them to feel like we were dismissive of them. And the last thing I want to say about it is like if you think that the things that we have said about AJ Brown on the show were solely based off of one person's reporting, like honestly, like I just want to make it clear that like we do our own reporting here, like we talk to people, and you know, it I would like to say like I almost want to be like uh forceful about like you shouldn't watch the show if you think we're basing it all off of one. Um but I'm you know again, not trying not to be accusatory here. So I would say like, you know, we are always trying to be respectful of everyone. I also I don't I don't have any problem with that clip. I stand by everything I said in that clip. It's fine. I think it's c because it this is very, very, very far down on the list of things to be sad about here, you know, number one thousand is just as a consumer of NFL media, I I, you know, I believe that Diana was it is providing a different service than the other insiders where she is giving information that is not just