Final Mock Draft and Closing Thoughts

There's a reason Chevy trucks are known for their dependability. It's because they show up no matter the weather, push forward no matter the terrain, and deliver. That's why Chevrolet has earned more dependability awards for trucks than any other brand in 2025, according to JD Power. Because in every Chevy truck, like every Chevy driver, dependability comes standard. Visit Chevy.com to learn more. Chevrolet received the highest total number of awards among all trucks in the JD Power 2025 US Vehicle Dependability Study. Awards based on 2022 models, newer models may be shown. Visit JD Power.com slash awards for more details. Chevrolet , together, let's drive. Ever notice how life's best stories don't happen in your living room? They happen on the open road, out on the water, or parked under the stars. At Progressive, they get that you want to focus on the experience, not worry about the what-ifs. That's why they offer quality insurance designed for your ride, whether that's a boat, RV, or motorcycle. Adventure with confidence. Visit progressive.com and see how easy it is to protect your favorite way to get away. Progressive Casualty Insurance Company and Affiliates, not available in DC. Prices vary based on how you buy. With so many options, why choose Arizona State University? Online option was ASU because of the quality. Their faculty was really involved with their students and care about your personal journey. The dedication to my personal development from my professors, that's been extremely valuable to me. Earn your degree from the nation's most innovative university online. That's a degree better. Explore more than 350 plus undergraduate, graduate, and certificate programs at asuonline.asu.edu hello everybody and welcome to PHOY Eagles Podcast on a beautiful Friday afternoon. We are headed into the weekend. Six days away from the NFL Draft. We're live from the Xfinity Studio and we're presented by Ashley and Bet36 5 . And today is wide receiver day. We're not talking about AJ Brown. No, no, no. We are talking about the wide receivers in the draft. Will the Eagles make a pick on somebody in the first three rounds or so? We'll talk about that. Well, of course, bring in the buckets. We also have to tell you that you can join us as we experience everything that happens on night one of the NFL draft next Thursday night at the Chickens and Pete's in Marlton, New Jersey. Going to be a lot of fun. Me, EJ, Fran, Brandon Lee Gowden, all going to be there breaking it down, reacting to what the Eagles do. Very excited for that. And if you just if you just need another fix of like what the draft could look like, check out Fran's brand spankin' new. Yeah. Seven round mock draft on all phl y dot com. If you're a diehard and if you are not a diehard, now is a good chance to become one because we've got a special playoff sale going on, thirty-two dollars for the whole year, which is cheaper than the price of a t-shirt, and you get a t-shirt with becoming a diehard. So basically you're stealing money out of our pockets, which I don't appreciate, but it is good for you to do that. It's it's good. It's community building, you know, you get to support our work. I think it's not stealing money out of our pocket, you know. Alrighty J. How'd you feel going through these wide receivers? Felt good. I enjoyed it. Wide receiver is a tough one sometimes because uh I feel like there is a higher variance sometimes with the guys you get in the first couple of rounds, like you you do especially as a as a person who's covered the Eagles for as long as I have now, there are some scars. You know, the thing that Howie Rosen was talking about where he thinks about, you know, the missed first-round picks every day. You watch some of these guys, and you do have Jalen Rager, JJ Arthago Whiteside in the back of your mind. So uh it can be a little bit of a minefield, but it's a fun position to watch. And I mean, people our listeners will know I get romantic about a couple of these prospects. Oh my god, the the ceiling. I just buy in on some of these guys. So I'm uh excited to talk through it. If you want to sell traits, this is a time when you can try to do that. Yeah, but you gotta be careful selling traits at receiver because there's more that goes into it than that.. So I agree with you Now, uh longtime listeners will know that uh I do like to do the bucket exercise. What is the bucket exercise? Well, there are three categories that uh I I look at with these wide receivers as we're evaluating where they what kind of player they are, what kind of prospect they are, what kind of profile they have. Number one, are they fast ? Straight up. And to use that , you know, where have they tested in the 40-yard dash? Did they break four five? Not the question. A quick question for you. And I I can see Fran, so I'm gonna I'm gonna ask for a nod or a wave here. Do you think that four-five flat should count as fast. Should it be four-five and under ? Thumbs up, or should it be you gotta break four five to be considered fast as a wide receiver? I feel like yeah, I was about to say I feel like four-five is it's a it's a little bit of a steeper grading curve than I expected. I think four five five is still depending on the body type, I think four five five is still plenty fast in the NFL. So Fran, you are saying no. You're saying you gotta be better than four five, right? Thumbs up . We can't hear you. No, I think Fran agrees with me . This is Yeah. He he Fran is saying you have to break four five to be fast . Yes. Okay. Okay. Okay. That's correct. All right. So we will use that. There are a couple players who are going to exact four or five. Number two , are you young? Now, and this is not about age. This is more about the uh self-selection of are you good enough to leave early? Because there are a lot of guys who have these late breakouts, you know, they have their good season, but it's their fifth year senior year. So this historically, this is actually probably a better marker than most other things. About like are you good enough to believe in yourself? It's evident that you'd belong in the NFL. Yeah. And you declare for the draft. And then the last one is are you productive? And this is a you know we're using round numbers and I know that that can be a little bit silly. I have a question about this. Thousand yards. Have you ever had a thousand yard season? That's it . Does the current landscape of college football change your production grading a little bit? Because I think there are really good receivers in this class that are in the eight eight hundreds or the nine hundreds. And as receiver rooms start to like you know, the top receiver rooms across college football will be more congested than ever with the the other rules allowing players to transfer and kind of congregate at these big schools. Does an eight hundred yard does an eight hundred yard season mean something different than it did fifteen years ago? No. I mean I mean I under stand I understand the nuance. Okay. There that that there is something to that. I I I also think you could make an argument that the the current shape, the landscape of the NF of college football means maybe you should be a little bit more lenient on declaring early or not. Um like you know, because if you're getting paid to stay for an extra year a g a handsome amount of money. Right. And maybe that that i i is a a mitigating factor. But no, I am not moved by an eight hundred and twenty-yard season from a guy who's supposed to go in the top two rounds of the draft. I think that's fair. I just do think it I wonder, especially a man like yourself who uses analytics, why not yards per route run? Well I think yards per game would would be better. Okay. Um yards per route run is i I because I want I want them to to accumulateo. You know, the volume. I have yards per out run for some of the guys I'm going to table for. And I hope that that maybe can give me a little bit of wiggle room with that thousand yard receiving metric there. So that means we have eight different buckets. Okay. How many do you got right there? Let's break them out. We've got . You hit 'em all. All three buckets. You're young , you're fast , and you're productive . We've got young and fast . We've got . Fast and productive. We've got . Just fast. You want me to take that one? Sure. It's fitting that it's on my side of the table since I am fast. We've got productive and young. That one's a popcorn tin. Man, we gotta clear out space. We've got just productive . We've got just young. We're gonna run out of room here. And then of course we've got nothing. You don't hit anything. So here's my question for you, meeting. I pick up couple ones here that are supposed to go with the tin. This one goes with the tin. I didn't inside the tin because there's old popcorn in there. Oh, okay. Amazing. Here's my question for you, EJ. And let's let's make this the big takeaway presented by our friends at Xfinity . In this draft class. There are twelve players who Fran , you know, Fran, and if you go to the diehard draft guide, there's the round projection. This is not these are not Fran's rankings. These are twelve players who all have either from round one to round two slash three. Okay. Okay. So twelve players that Fran believes are likely to go probably late second round. Of those twelve players, how many of them check all three boxes . I'm gonna guess five . Five . Take a second to think about it in the chat. How many of the 12 players projected to go in the top two rounds? Check all three boxes. Was that being too generous? And this is why I asked you the Mikhail Lemon, the the 4-5-40 question. Because Mikhail Lemon ran a 4-5-five forty. And if we are not counting him as fast, then the answer is zero . Zero. There is not a single guy. There's only one guy in the whole draft class who, checks all three boxes? And that's Chris Brazil. Yeah. And we will get to the specific breakdowns of these players, but that that is a hint about how I feel generally speaking about this wide receiver draft class. Okay. I think there are a lot of guys here who have second round profiles who are getting pushed up, third round profiles who are getting pushed up to the second round. I am pretty underwhelmed with this class of wide receivers. Yeah, I agree with your framing here. Um, there are a few players who like I've seen them either projected to go to the Eagles at 23 or projected to go even before the Eagles pick, you know, like a player like Omar Cooper. And like I really liked Omar Cooper when there was like at least an idea that he might make it to the second round. There's a lot of that, you You know know., like Jordan Tyson. We can talk about him as a player, but it's like that injury history, like in the first round, early in the first round. So I see where you're coming from. Um, man, I'm like kicking myself for guessing that high on that number. Like how many how many normally would there be in a normal class? Normally the guys who are going in the first round there would be a few. Okay. Um for instance, I have the I have the numbers on just you know how many guys have gone in the first two rounds over the past few years. Uh at this is I think the last 12 draft classes. Uh the guys who check all three boxes who've gone in the first two rounds, there are 32 of them, and that is the most of any single bucket. And this year's class is missing those guys who are like prime profiles in every year. You know, you're talking, these are your Jerry Judys, your Jamison Williams, Malik Neighbors, Christian Kirk. But you're but plenty of misses as well. This it doesn't mean that this guy these guys are gonna are gonna hit. Yeah. It's only a fifty three percent hit rate, seventeen of thirty-two . Elijah Moore, Rondale Moore, Sky Moore, lots of Moore's, Marvin Mims, Marvin Harrison Jr. Like all of these guys, they they check a lot of boxes and and the guys we're gonna talk about as potential first round picks here , the profiles are a little wonky to me. Yeah, I agree with that. I completely agree that there are especially when you think about like the top guys that we probably won't even spend that much time on, Carnell Tate, Mikhail Lemon, especially, like I don't love their profiles as like top 10 potential top 10 picks here . Like I I like there's a lot, yeah, there's a lot of um I'm not gonna like break from Fran's rankings a lot today. I think he did a really good job with the wideouts. I mean I think he does a great job with all the positions, but um like my the Makai Lemon Eval like to me is like I just didn't see like a top 12 prospect in the draft when I watched him. And then like if my favorite thing is this has happened a couple of times when I text Fran about prospects, I'll be like, Yeah, like I watched tape and like I just didn't like didn't love what I saw. And then I realized that they didn't test. And I'm like beside myself. I'm like, and he didn't test? Like what what what are people talking about here? So um yeah, I agree with you. It's a weird class. Let's close the book on the big takeaway presented by X-Finity. Not loving the top of this wide receiver class. And I do think that this is this has been a clarifying exercise for me in what I think the Eagles might and should do in round one. Okay. But we we'll we'll get to that when we get to some of the specific players. Let's let's start at the top. Carnell Tate, guy who's going to go top 10, top 12 from Ohio State. And again, as a guy who's going to go that early, looks like a really good player. Yeah. I know why he never topped a thousand yards because he's playing next to a better wide receiver, right? But that also means that he's getting more single coverage than most of these other decks would get. He is kind of slow. I mean, slow is relative. He ran a four or five. His GPS tracking was good. Is that count for anything for you? He's a he's a power wide receiver. He's gonna be a good player. I'm sure he's fine. Yeah. But if I'm drafting a wide receiver in the top ten, yeah, man, he better been a ben been the best player on his te am. Yeah. Or at least like I guess I know that that's a little unfair because Jeremiah Smith is that good, but like ah a good a good wide receiver too. I'm about to say you think about that Alabama receiver room a few years ago, those guys still had great production, even though they were all fighting for production. Um now, because Carnell Tate does not have the speed and does not have the production and is just young. I'm going to let you pick from the just young bucket, if we can find it. Here we go. And let's let's throw up the just young graphic here, Lindsay, on the kinds of players who have gone in the first two rounds with this kind of profile, and you're gonna get somebody here . Who do you got? I have Ke on Coleman. Keon Coleman. And that's because there have only been two wide receivers drafted in the last 12 years in the first two rounds who have been relatively slow and relatively unproductive, and that's Michael Thomas and Keon Coleman. There have also not been any late-round hits, and that is defined by any player drafted in the third round or later who had more than a thousand yards in any NFL season, and this goes for not just Carnell Tate, but also Denzel Boston. Hmm. Ooh. Big reveal right there. Denzel Boston. We can talk about him later if you want. Or do you want to talk about him? I don't have to talk about him now, but we can talk about we can talk about him later. But there you go. There's there's your car now. Whenever I Bray, whenever Keon Coleman comes up on the show, the Cam Newton clip just popul ates my brain and it's you supposed to be our number one, but you're playing like a bum. So is that the future for one Carnel Tate. All right. Now there's a super chat from uh Jonas who says in the interest of fairness, Bo, QB play matters. And and I understand that, and I think that is fair on in a micro sense, but all of these wide receivers are mostly playing with mid-quarterbacks. And you also have to take into account that they're playing mostly against not very good corners. Yeah. So I think across the larger scope of the whole sample, quarterback play doesn't matter that much. They're guys are gonna are gonna get them the ball. And you look at the best wide receivers in the NFL , they have also played for bad quarterbacks in college and they were able to produce. So I I I get that on like a where where it's how we fell into the Jalen Rager throwing Max Duggan under the under the bus trap. Like I I think that you can probably overvalue that. Yeah, it's important context, especially if you're talking about one specific area of like somebody's game. I I think this will come up with case case concepcion in my opinion. But yeah, you can't explain away production and the entire pro the entire profile just by looking at the quarterback play in my opinion. All right it is time for us to take our first break. On the other side we're going to get through some more specific conversations about the likes of Mikhail Lemon, Jordan Tyson, Denzel Boston, KC Concep cion , what do we think of them? What buckets are they in? Stay tuned. If you love the NFL draft, then this is your edge. The Die Hard NFL Draft Guide is built and based off of thousands of hours of film study, being boots on the ground, shrine bowl, senior bowl, combine, talking to scouts, talking to coaches, really getting a feel for where these players are best gonna fit and project in the NFL. We're talking hundreds of players in this class. There is no comparison. This is the best draft guide for Eagles fans. You get player comps, you get all the data and you get France , you can get the Who is better suited to be an NFL draft expert and an Eagles expert than my good friend Fran Duffy? Alright so what are you gonna find in the guide? Well you're gonna find player cops, you're gonna find strengths, weaknesses, physical tools, analytics, highlights, analysis from all across the space, everything you need to try and determine who are the best players for your team. You get access to the guide if you're a diehard, and you'll also get access to a couple of individual breakdowns I'm doing specifically for your team. Alright, look, if you want surface level breakdowns, you can get them anywhere. But if you want independent thought, if you want thorough breakdowns on all of these prospects, become a diehard get the guide or you can get access to the 2026 guide for just $26 . Let's win draft season. It's April. You know what that means? It is draft month. But you know what else it means? It is financial literacy month. Yes, that's right. We all know it, and I've got something that's gonna help you off the field. Teaching your kids how to handle their money. If you are a true mark member, you've got a fantastic opportunity to help your kids and teens learn to earn, save, and spend wisely with a Greenlight account. Greenlight is not just any app, it's a game changer for your kids. Whether they're setting savings goals, learning how to track their spending, or even getting their allowance, it's all right there at their teeny tiny little fingertips. So if you're looking for a way to teach your kids some financial plays this financial literacy month, I can't recommend the Green Light app enough. It's like training for life 's biggest game. Head over to true mark.com. That's T R U M A R K dot com slash green light to get all the details and sign up today. Don't miss the chance to set your kids up for financial success. Trademark is federally insured by NCUA and is an equal opportunity lender and MLS four zero four nine three eight. All right, back on the PHOY Eagles podcast. Let's talk about the the next two guys in conjunction here. Both expected to go in the top twenty. Let's talk about Mikhail Lemon from USC, 5'11, 194, a three-year junior, will be twenty-two in June, young and productive, uh, right on the line of fast, as we said, four-five. Um and I agree with you, yeah, that for a guy who's gonna go top 20, I'm a little bit under like I I don't see a ton of of juice. Um now he is a he's a versatile player can be used in a bunch of different ways. He does remind me a little bit, uh, maybe it's Jersey Scouting of Eamon Ross and Brown in terms of the kind of way that he wins. Um , but uh like I'm just eh. Yeah, so I'm a little bit I'm a little bit underwhelmed. I knew that everyone loved the production, loved the player in college. I watched him against Leonard Moore, who is not in this year's class. I imagine he will be a high pick in some uh in in at some point in the future, based off of the tape I watched. Mikhaileman really struggled against him, and that's always a big red flag for me. Is when the these guys struggle against you know the top corners in the country. Uh anyway, compounding that with the fact that he didn't test. Uh Fran, do you have the the the stat from the draft guide that Fran had here? I don't. Uh the a list of receivers with both three career yards per route run or higher and measurements under six foot two hundred pounds. Because a lot of people say, look, he was productive. The list is Hollywood Brown, Jalen Waddell, okay, Richie James, John Ross, Dwayne Eskridge, Tylen Wallace, and Carlos Henderson. Interesting. So as Fran said the draft guide, which you got you shall become a diehard. We got a great sale going on right now. Become a diehard, you can get access to the draft guide just in time for the draft. It's a tough needle to thread. I am I am willing . It is a good profile, and I I'm willing to believe in the profile a little bit more than my eyes, but I I I agree with that. I'm I'm a little bit underwhelmed. Let's let's talk about the bucket here because he is young and productive, not fast. Let's see if we can find that one. No, this is just fast. Young and productive. I think it's this one. There you go. Yep. Alright, so you got three on top there. Alrighty. One. Who are you going to get? You're drafting Mikhail Lemon and you've got uh CD Lamb. C D Lamb. Okay. It's a high range outcome right there. This is what's interesting. Young and productive, but not fast, is actually for a top two-round pick the best bet. And I you can sort of understand that because it's like these guys are winning in other ways in so in such demonstrative ways. Yeah. That it makes sense. But if you're thinking about the type of player you're talking about, most of these guys are big. Yeah, but to say, yeah, McMillan, Drake London, T. Higgins, C D Lamb, not quite as big. Jackson Smith and Jigba not quite as big. And so maybe you think Mikhail Lemon can be a little bit like those guys are like twitchy, though. I agree with you. They're not fast, but they're they're more quick than fast, as a a football guy would say. And there also haven't been a lot of guys ev even who missed who were this small. You know, it's yeah. Caitlin Burks is a bigger player, Quentin Johnson is a bigger player, Levisca Chenault a like a a little bit small Yes. Um, but it is also the bucket that Jordan Tyson is in. And Jordan Tyson, 6'2, 203 from Arizona State, a four-year junior, had had uh one year at Colorado before transferring. There's an extensive injury history here , and he's also below the arm length threshold for the position. He's got these short arms. I will say , I think he's I I I liked watching him. He's got some dupes. And it and if it weren't for the injuries, I think this is this is a first-round profile to me. Yeah. Well that yeah. I mean, of course. Without the injuries, I do think that he would be a surefire first rounder and like one you can feel good about. The injuries are a big thing for me. And you know, shout out to the underdog guys. I was watching them talk about some receiver prospects this morning. They compared him to Jerry Judy. And I kind of like I can see that in his game. He's got these big dramatic, you know, route, like route, you know, like the way he breaks out of his routes is like really exagger ated and it's fun and it works in college but I do wonder how that translates in the league. So if you told me he like got healthy and was the best receiver out of the class, like it wouldn't shock me. He's a he's really fun to watch. He's he has like theoretical juice in the open field as a as a you know after the catch threat i don't know if he always showed it in college i think it was kind of you know hit or miss but uh i also like friends comparison for him dontavian wicks like he seems like someone that like the people who love the route running are like this guy, you know, has some really does some really special stuff, but I don't know. It's it was kind of Yeah, but what are we talking about? We're talking about a top twenty pick on Duntavien which 's what I'm saying I wasn't like wowed. I don't know. I'm not trying to be overly negative on him. But don't you think it wasn't a good pro size made you understand better why the Eagles traded for Don David Wicks? Yeah, that's fair. Yeah, like they probably don't love the top of this receiver class. Right. And especially the types of guys that I do like at the top of this receiver class, they check a very different boxing or basketball. You know, if you want a basketball team in your receiver room, you're not really looking for the the big body guy in the first round to me. Yeah. I like I like Tys on. But yeah. Like him, don't love him. It's a s that's a scary I mean the injury history alone, like you think about like AJ Brown and DK Metcalf following a few years ago, like the injury stuff usually makes you a second round prospect. The fact that that hasn't well, we'll see. Maybe this will happen to Jordan Tyson. He will be available in the second round because of it, but it's scary. Like I think I I I heard Devin Jackson say this, so shout out to Devin who's on the show yesterday. He missed forty-eight percent of his games in college , apparently. Like that's a big number. So I don't know. Not a it was an imperfect profile again at the top of the draft here. All right, let's get to Fran's wide receiver four, who is a player who has been linked plenty to the Eagles, and that is Omar Cooper Jr. from Indiana. Omar Cooper Jr., six foot, one ninety-nine, a four-year junior, will be 23 in December. Had 13 touchdowns last season, ran a 4-4-2-40. He crept up to 9 37 receiving yards. But that was also in 15 games. With an awesome quarter receiver. And truth be told , he was not the top guy in that offense. Yeah. Right? I mean, Elijah Surratt got more balls than him. Yeah. Um, and so Omar Cooper is in the young and fast not so productive. Yeah, it's a little unfair to him, but okay. I think I don't think it's that unfair. I agree. If we're gonna say, oh, well, you have to, you know, you gotta keep in in mind that the quarterback wasn't good there, then this is the inverse. Young and fast, not so producti ve, is not a great bucket to be in for a top two-round pick. This is DK Metcalf, Jalen Waddle, George Pickens. Those are your hits. Your missus, Nicole Hardman, KJ Hamler, Terrace Marshall Jr., A.D. Mitchell, Matthew Golden still early for him. Uh Zachariah Branch is also in this uh bucket for this year's class, but I want you to find young and fast not so productive. I think that's this one. Okay. Let's spin it around. Oh, I get the what you're gonna get. Do you even have anything? There's oh there are there are I was about to say, is it a trick, a trick uh prompt here? KJ Hamler. KJ Hamler. All right, congratulations. You've used the first round pick on KJ Hamler. Like KJ Hamler when he's coming out. No surprise. That explains why. What did you think of Omar Cooper? That's explains why I like Omar Cooper. He wasn't my favorite of this genre of receiver projected to go in this round, which is a little bit of a tease here. Uh but no, I thought he was good. He does you know, it brought me back to the thing Howie talked about about like and I know Fran has Jalen Rager as one of like the the range of outcomes, player comparisons. It's not his primary comp for him. I want to make that clear because I don't want to get in trouble with Fran as he watches us here. Um but there is a little Jalen Rager there. You know, it's an undersized receiver and you're really like you have to fall in love with the combination of like things you really only pick up on when you're watching the tape, like you know, is flip the flexibility he has, run after the catch ability with the physical traits that he has. And he is he's fast and he's good after the catch, but I just a little bit worried about like his use case, especially with the Eagles. And it's hypocritical because the other guy, the next guy I'm gonna talk about, I'm gonna be pounding the table for. Um, but yeah, he wasn't my favorite To me, this is a this is a second round player all day long. Yeah. I I do not see a first-round pick. Yeah. I need more production. I I just he's not he's not super big. He's a part of a winning wide receiver room. I I c I'm not using the the 23rd overall pick on Omar Cooper. The the the case I'll make for him that will become even more pre prevalent in a second is that he is a good yards after catch threat. You put him in an offense where you're putting him on crossing routes, you're putting him uh you know in situations where he gets opportunities to run after the catch. You think about the receivers at work in the McVay, Shanahan, Matt LaFleur offenses, he at least like from a profile standpoint fits that. I just if you were making me choose, I would rather have the next guy. Hmm Okay. And so you're gonna tell me that you love KC Concepcion. KC Concepcion from Texas AM, a three year junior, who will be twenty two as a rookie, six foot one ninety six. Now he didn't run, but I think we can expect that he would have run faster than a four or five, uh played at NC State for two years before Texas AM, got punk return chops. What do you like so much about KC Concepcion? The thing about him is he's a little bit younger than Omar Cooper, and he's got like a toughness about him that makes me even more confident that if you put him in Sean Mannion's system as a, you know, a Z or a slot receiver that you're gonna put on crossing routes and you want to get the ball in their hands in space and have them run through secondary members. I think that he can do that. I have a little bit more confidence that he'll do it than Omar Cooper. Omar Cooper wins with like, you know, like his, you know, contact balance and being able to kind of stay on his feet. I feel like Casey Concepcion , he just like gets like right at guys in a way that I really like. Um and honestly, like the concerns that are making him more of a late first round, early second round prospect, like the drop rate is what people will point to. Um I trust Fran's eyes on that. He's I I was texting about it about it this morning. I think like if you look at the context on the drops, it's probably not as big of an issue as you would expect you would expect. And then on the flip side, if you watch him, he's got really strong hands. Like he can make some really impressive catches. So I don't think it's um, it doesn't seem like something that will be too much of a limiting factor there. And the rest of the profile is really awesome. Um, so for me, if you're telling me to like pick a uh not an ex receiver in a Sean Manion system, but you know, uh the the type of receiver that you do see featured in these offenses, I could see Casey Conception getting there. Um the last thing I wanted to say is that his uh mock draftable compares very favorably to uh jaden reeds so you know again there's like a theoretical packers interesting angle there I think you could overstate that but uh and as as an after the catch guy with real juice I really liked Casey Conception. Now he he also did not cross the thousand yard threshold ever. He did have a an eight hundred forty yard receiving season for NC State as a true freshman, which I think is a you know that's that that's a pretty sterling marker for a a player that young, then got up to nine nineteen this year for Texas St. Adam in 13 games. You want to tell me if they went further, he would have crossed it, that's okay. It's a it's a better profile, but he's still in the same bucket with Omar Cooper, young and fast, not productive. Who are you gonna get? So hopefully I get somebody good out of the bucket this time to make my point for me . I feel so validated right now. Jalen Waddell . Yeah, but I don't think he's got Jalen Waddle's speed. Look, look, look, look, my notes. Jalen Waddle, question mark, question mark, question mark. Really? I mean listen, he doesn't have like the Jalen Waddle breaking, angle breaking speed that Jalen Waddle has, but if you squint, you can kind of see it. I really liked I it's funny because him and Omar Cooper are very similar, but like with Omar Cooper there were a couple of little things where I was like, eh, I'm just gonna pump the brakes a little bit. And with KC Conception, I went the uh the inverse. It's like he just pushed it over the edge enough for me to really talk myself into him. I think I I think I wanted to like him more than I did. Yeah. Um I I like him. I and of the expected spots where these guys are going to go. I would probably rather have him where he's going to go than Lemon, you know, where he's going to go or something like that, or even Omar Cooper . But even still, I would rather have tackle five. Yeah. Edge three. I don't disagree. Tight end one. I think. I don't disagree at all. If if offensive line goes off the board early and you're sitting at twenty three and Casey Concepcion is there, I think you can feel good about that pick. You bring him in. He's a good fit for Sean Manning system. I think you can use him interchangeably with Devontae Smith in the system, and then you have to figure out who your like real ex is going to be in that system. But yeah, I really like KC Concepcion as a fit for what they're gonna do. Uh before we get to break and then and then bring in Fran as we go through a bunch of these other guys, you don't like Denzel Boston? Yeah, I mean I know that like it's important to have an ex-receiver, you know, and I'll tease this because I want to ask Fran about this. My thing with these bigger guys, except for one, which we'll get to, is uh I don't think a lot of them separate very well. And that concerns me. Like a big guy who can't separate, like, what is this role gonna be? Is like the the increased usage of zone coverage in the NFL does it make give these guys a home as like the backside dig they're just gonna find a soft spot in the zone and that's what their strength is is that they you know they don't need to separate as much uh as they used to . Yeah, I I'm a huge no on Boston in the first round. Oh yeah. Which is which is you know where he's been linked to the times. I don't know. You know, and and it's easy to make the Drake London comparison because he's this He doesn't have the juice that Drake London had. He doesn't have the juice and Drake London was I I'm a broken record here. Way more productive. Yeah. Yeah. You know. I like Drake. I mean I like Drake London now. I mean you're six four three twelve going up against college guys. Go have a thousand yard season. Yeah. That's all. I agree. All right, let's take a quick break on the other side. We're gonna get to Fran Duffy. We'll talk about Chris Bell and what does he think about him, and then some of the other potential day two guys like Malachi Fields, Elijah Surratt, and Chris Brazzle II . All right, quick 60-second timeout as we have been breaking down prospects in the NFL draft , especially the options that make sense for the Eagles, hunting for the perfect player, fixing weaknesses, finding the smartest pick, making the trade that takes the team to the next level. Well, that's the same energy that lives at Elkins Chevrolet with their trade-up event happening right now. This is where you make the smart move. Look at what you've got, figure out what you need, look at your options, then step up and save . You'll find the perfect ride, that hidden gem that's going to upgrade your whole day at a great price. Whether it's a new Silverado, an SUV, or maybe a pre-owned vehicle, this is your pick. Make the trade. Upgrade that ride and come out ahead. Big time. Should have made that move when I had the hand right in front of me. Take it to the next level at the trade-up event going on now at Elkin Chevrolet. Real brothers, real deals, and a whole lot of honking good service. Elkin Chevrolet on Route 73 South and Marlton together, let's drive. All right, let's talk about a game changer. Courtesy of our friends at Rita's because the Julati Sunday, or Sunday, has officially arrived. And yeah, this thing is delicious. Why settle for just one flavor when you can have everything? With the Rita's Gelati Sunday, you're getting layers of their classic Italian ice that, rich cre, amy, frozen custard. And then you're topping it all off with well, whatever you're in the mood for. Full customization, mix, match, build your own masterpiece. Every cup is different. Every combo hits. I'm telling you, once you try it, you're not going back to just one flavor again. And don't forget to download the Rita's app. You can find the nearest location, order ahead, and when you sign up, you'll get a free small ice plus earn rewards all season long. Bottom line, make this the sweetest season yet with Rita's ice, custard, and happiness. Treat yourself to a scoop of happiness today. Be cool. Go to Readers. There's a reason Chevy trucks are known for their dependability. It's because they show up no matter the weather, push forward, no matter the terrain, and deliver. That's why Chevrolet has earned more dependability awards for trucks than any other brand in 2025, according to JD Power. Because in every Chevy truck, like every Chevy driver, dependability comes standard. Visit Chevy.com to learn more. Chevrolet received the highest total number of awards among all trucks in the JD Power 2025 US Vehicle Dependability Study. Awards based on 2022 models, newer models may be shown. Visit JDPower.com slash awards for more details. Chevrolet, together, let's drive. Adventures don't always go as planned. One minute you're cruising in your RV, the next, your tire hits a massive pothole. Progressive is ready for you when the unexpected hits, with excellent claim service for your boat, RV, and motorcycle. Plus, optional coverage like roadside assistance and on-the-water towing. Visit progressive.com and make sure your next adventure is un forgettable. For the right reasons. Progressive Casualty Insurance Company and Affiliates. Not available in all states or situations. Coverages subject to policy terms and limits . All right. Back in pitch on my Eagles Podcast, Bo and EJ. And there he is. The All City NFL draft expert, Fran Duffy, polished off a seven-round mock. He's here. Talk wide receivers. What's that? Just sneezed. Just sneezed . I think you're muted, Fran. Man, we're like cursed this week. I know. Yeah, it's us . Still muted . You're muted. It's like I've never done that before. Um, yeah, it's been it's been a long week, but we only got one week left. So uh I'm gl I I'm very happy to be on the bucket show. I've been looking forward to this for I didn't you can attest to this. I've been asking you like uh when's the when's the one of the buckets when I can't wait for the bucket so I'm excited for this well how do you feel about what we've learned so far uh you know it's it's good because this kind of validates how I have felt about this class just in general. Because we've had these conversations. I think you guys are kind of seeing like now what I've been seeing for the last few months where it's like, yeah, there are some player, there's some players in this class, but the first round, it's just it's it's kind of tough sledding. And I think when you're looking at this receiver class, uh, I agree with you where you look at Carnell Tate and you look at Jordan Tyson and you look at Mikhail Lemon, like that trio in particular, and you're saying, like, we're taking that guy at six overall, you know, this guy's gonna go number eight. But I think where I 've kind of landed at receiver is that this is a position where, yeah, like typically you know you're seeing Malik Neighbors go that high. You're seeing Jamal Chase go that high. We don't have that. Obviously, that profile does not exist in this class, but because of how receivers get paid on the market, like you know, no, no, no offense, EJ, but your guy Romeo like a Romeo Dobbs is getting paid for Romeo Dobbs is getting paid. I think that's a very fair point. That's what that's what it is, is that like you know that allows a Carnel Tate to go in the top 10. And even though it's not ideal, I think it you can justify it, but you have to again you just have to know what you're buying. Like you have to know what you're investing in. I think that's I think that's a very good way to frame it because I I'm those are the conversations that are probably having happening in these front offices is the the surplus value of this guy's gonna be a wide receiver two for us, that's a starting wide receiver that guy's going to get sixteen million dollars on the open market. We can get him, you know, whatever. Um , but it's not like, man, we got a we got a first round wide receiver. This guy's gonna gonna change the shape of our passing game and and you gotta sort of change your framing. But it makes me more um willing to invite risk with a guy like Monroe Freeling or something like that when when when you go through these wide receivers. But that's what to me, like at receiver, it is a similar discussion to the tackles for that point where it's like the the guy doesn't need to be Trent Williams or Jordan Mailata for it to make sense because of what they get paid. Now, I think I'd rather have the solid tackle as opposed to the solid receiver, but um, you know, I I think at the end of the day, uh you know, look Go ahead. Uh just in terms of scarcity. Uh I d you know, I I think over over the course of time we have seen a lot of you know round two receivers. Like AJ Brown went in the second round. Like, where does AJ Brown go in this class? Uh, you know, I think that's a uh a very valid question to ask. But um you know, I think this receiver class, and it's funny like Bo, I was like nodding in agreement. I wasn't sure like if you saw as you were saying it, uh about Casey Conception, I'd rather have him like where he's going as opposed to like where Mikhail Lemon and Jordan Tyson and Cooper Jr. are going, like, agree wholeheartedly. I have nearly identical grades on Conception, Mikhail Lemon, and Omar Cooper Jr. Like they're like basically the same exact grade. Um, and truth be told, I if you if you say like all right, like all three are on the board, who do you want? I think I would go with Concepcion. Like I like he's the guy I just feel best about. Um, but because of the size, like, you know, it's in certain like there I think there are parts of his game that are a little bit, you know, where it's like all right, like and kind of s you know, the what the limitations are um but I just feel best about him hitting uh where you know some of the other guys I've got questions on but it's um it's a it's a weird class. And here's the other thing too and I tried to talk to uh with you guys about this when you get to day two, I didn't I don't love the day two options. Like it's a lot I'm having the same conversations when I get to day two where I'm like, this guy is usually like uh you know fourth or fifth round profile that I think is getting fluffed up a little bit into the second or the third round. Yeah, we'll talk about some of these guys, but uh I got two guys I like on day two. Yeah, I 'm they're players, yeah. But yeah, I'm gonna be a broken record here. Chris Bell coming off an ACL. Okay. If if I can get the discount here, this guy, if he was healthy, would be would be uh first round caliber player. Yep. I don't know. He didn't he doesn't pass the production threshold either. He never topped a thousand yards. The 917 last year. Okay. And he got hurt . Mal ikat Field, 6'4, 218. Go beat some people up. Yeah. Four years at Virginia before going to Notre Dame. Then goes to Notre Dame. Doesn't top a thousand yards. Yeah. No thanks, really. Uh I I would one guy who I I like I would rather have Elijah Surrat in the third round than anybody on on day two or on in the second round who's gonna go in the second round. I disagree. I worry I worry that Surratt is and he's not like my direct comp, but there's a lot of JJ White side there with Surratt. That's fine. I I I'm not expecting him right to be a a number one wide receiver, but if you're looking if you're talking about I'm gonna use a first round pick on a guy just so that he can fill out a wide receiver room and be my wide receiver too, I think Elijah Sarat could probably be a top three receiver in in the third round. That's fine. I'd rather have Ted Hurst than some of these guys. I like Ted Hurst, but Surratt to me was I mean that was screaming JJ Arthaga White side when you were watching. It's like big guy can't set can't separate his strength, is that he is good on with contested catches. Like I think he's a pretty good route runner. I think he's a pretty developed player. Uh and listen, more yards per game than Oma Super. He's a good route runner, but he didn't . I don't know. Just I had a hard time seeing it. Nobody's moving the needle here for me. Where would Chris Bell be be ranked for you, Fran, if you were fully healthy? He would uh to me, he would have probably been in that same bucket as Cooper and Concepcion and those guys. Um, you know, I I did or in the uh in the newsletter back in the fall when it was announced that he tore his ACL. I went back and tried to find like some comparables with receivers who tore their ACL, uh specifically torn ACL, like from November on, you know, because like Jameson Williams was in January during the national title game. There were like three or four examples. And most of those guys did not hit the field until November of the rookie season. Um, so you know, it's gonna essentially be a redshirt year for Chris Bell. Chris Bell, uh, for those of you who don't know, from Louisville, six two, two twenty-two, was a four-year senior, uh, tore that ACL, never topped a thousand yards. You know what bucket Chris Bell is in ? He's in the fast and young. Well, do you think that he's definitely fast? Yeah, you think he would break the state number? There were G there were some good GPS numbers, but uh I because the look the the GPS numbers are tough because there are GPS numbers from the school and then there are websites out there that are doing and companies that are doing GPS stuff on their own. And and some of it is just like it's literally like frame stuff, like capturing it on uh you know on the computer like they're looking like is not necessarily like oh yeah in a chip in the guy's pads right um so it's it can be uh you gotta take some of that with a grain of salt. Uh he has drawn you know the some of the comparisons with him are AJ Brown. I'd say I saw AJ Brown crosses. Really? Yeah. Now maybe not quite as like freakish of an athlete. But oh absolutely. Physicality after the catch, physicality at the catch point. Uh a a big big, receiver who is very fluid and very strong in how he operates. I I definitely saw a lot of AJ when I watched him. I didn't see that at all. But yeah. I mean that that's that's one of the comps that gets thrown around. Um that's tough. I don't know if I'd go I I don't know if I can quite get there. Um, but I think I do like I have like guys like Rasheed Rice written down. Like the the problem is is that he's not like a a super like crafty route runner, uh not a vertical threat. So it's like you kind of have to use him a certain kind of way right now, uh and you hope that he can be grow more, and there's the injury on top of it. Um it's it's a tough projection. I think you have just fast. If you want to count if you want to count him as fast. I want to count him as young and fast. Or he's not young? He was a senior. Not young. Yep. This is just fast. That's just fast. Uh feel like I'm gonna pull out a lemon. And also like in terms of like fast, I think he would be like weight adjusted fast. I don't think if he doesn't break four five, then he's in the nothing bucket with Malachi Fields. We're not putting him in the nothing bucket. With Malachi Fields. And you know who you get in the Malachi Fields bucket ? Van Jefferson, the only player drafted in the first two rounds who didn't have a few. That was such a bad profile. That was such a I couldn't believe he went that high. I don't hate who I got out of the just fast because it could have been probably a lot worse. I got Christian Watson. Sure, and that's yeah, and that's that's certainly not the kind of player they've got. Just fast, by the way. Fourteen players drafted in the first two rounds who were just fast. Six of them hit, eight of them missed. Also a place where you can find some late round sleepers. Uh Terry McLaurin, we're talking third round, Darnell Mooney, Nico Collins. No, not super late, but that' thats's and and like I don't you feel like Nico Collins, that same profile then would have gone at the top of the second round this year? Yeah. Yep. Yeah. He would have. Yeah, I think that's kind of what I'm saying. Like, you know, there are the in this draft, I mean, we're we're gonna be talking about some guys like they're in day two, you know, a guy that I mocked to the Eagles in my seven round mock draft. Would not have expected uh that I would have been mocking that player to the Eagles in the third round. Kind of a rat. Uh so tell us about Chris Brazzle, the second from Tennessee, who is the only guy in the whole draft class who was both young, productive, and fast. Six four, one ninety eight, uh, a four-year junior. So it even that is is stretching the young because he did have the redshirt year. Ran a four three seven forty two lane for two years before going to Tennessee and had a thousand and seventeen yards last season for Tennessee with nine touchdowns. Yeah. Uh NFL bloodlines. Dad played in the NFL, also played in the CFL for a bit. Uh look, he when I first watched him in the fall, I thought top 40. Like this is a guy that, you know, when you see the size, you see the speed, I'm like, all right, like the very least, we're talking like a Christian Watson type player. Uh, speaking of Christian Watson, like um, big body vertical threat, outside the numbers, limited route tree, gonna work down the field. But then I'm watching more and I'm like, oh, he's got a little bit more like quickness and fluidity out of breaks than I would have expected. There's a little bit more of a diverse routree than what I've expected because I think a lot of people still kind of correlate Tennessee to like this uh, you know, rinky dink offense and they don't ask that they they have changed offensive coordinators in the last couple of years, so that it's not quite that. Um but he has mostly played on the end or on the outside, mostly from one side of the field. Uh the the route running is there are flashes, but it's not always there. The consistency is an issue. I think there's some development required both on and off the field with Brazzle. Yeah if you told me that he went 38 in the draft wouldn't shock me. If you told me he went one thirty-eight in the draft, it wouldn't shock me. Okay, interesting. Like I think there's a wide range with this player just because of the wide discrepancy and how people feel about him. And rightfully so. I I think he is a he is like he's a tough player to project, but the talent is you know it's a top 40 talent in the draft. It's just a matter of what, you know, what exactly are you getting? Is he ever going to hit that ceiling? And I think you also wrote the widest variability of of outcomes for him. A guy who who could be the best receiver in the draft. Yeah. And could be in the league in three years. When when I watched him, like Nico Collins came right to mind for me. Like he looks a lot like him to me. I mean just a big guy who who moves well, good route runner and good speed. Skinny wasted, I felt compared to Nico Collins. Uh yeah, I mean he's definitely a little bit skinnier than Nico Collins at this point. Maybe a younger nuke Nico Collins. Uh no special teams was a little bit uh huge red flag. Like huge, huge bright red flag. Like not one special team snap in his entire career. Um, and that's at like Tulane and Tennessee. Uh, you know, just I'll just go through the list of wide receivers and you you to me this is like a uh Vic Fangio kind of alluded to this uh about like linebackers but honestly I view this like across the board um the list of wide receivers who have played fewer than like 10 special team snaps. There's not that many. Actually, Nico Collins is on that list. Oh, that's funny. Funny enough. So Nico Collins is on there. But uh so 10, so fewer than 10 in their entire career. JJ Rothika Whiteside, uh Andre Yoshivas. All right, there's a hit there's a slightly slight hit there. Uh Kelvin Harmon, Jermaine Burton, Quentin Johnson, Johnny Wilson. That's funny. Uh uh Jalen Hyatt luke mccafrey david bell devantez walker isaiah coulter add uh ad mitchell um george pickens is one jawan winfree is one. Here's what i'll say . That when I look at like lack of special teams production, there's two there's two explanations there, right? Some teams don't want to put starters in special teams, right? So just get like you're trying to figure out answers there. Some guys don't they don't play starters there. And then others, it's like a marker for like work ethic and like things like that. Like, oh, he doesn't want to put in the time to like go and play. So you whenever that pops up, it's like, all right, why? Um so yeah, like I said, there's uh there are there are some things with uh with Brazzle that teams are gonna have to work through and be okay with if they're gonna take them high. All right, let's take our last break here on the other side. We'll talk about several more players, including Ted Hurst from Georgia State, who EJ likes, and Ted Hurst is from the productive and fast, but not so young bucket, which we have not pulled from yet. Find out who's there on the other side . At bet 365, they know that the only thing better than winning bets with your money is winning bets with theirs. And that's why there's never been a better time to do just that than right now, thanks to Bet three six five's bet ten dollars get $3 65 promo. Available to every single new Bet365 user. All you have to do is sign up, make a $10 bet, and win or lose, you will be given three hundred and sixty five dollars in bonus . To have a little cheese, a little bread, a little onions, a little ach uga on that bad boy. That 365, where winning is everything. Download the app today and use code PHLI365 at sign up. Gambling problem call one eight hundred gambler. Please gamble responsibly must be present in Pennsylvania. Ten dollar minimum deposit required bonus bet wager excluded from returns. New customers only twenty one and over. I limits, minimum odds, and terms and conditions apply in app only, void where prohibited. The Flyers are back in the playoffs, and True Fan Travel is taking you to Pittsburgh for the road trip. April 17th through the 19th, True Fan Travel has the ultimate Flyers playoff package to give you really the ultimate Flyers playoff experience. Starts with a private charter bus from South Philly on Friday night, two nights at the Omni William Penn Hotel, and then an all-inclusive tailgate with unlimited food and drinks. Also includes your ticket to the game and an exclusive meet and greet with Flyers alumni Brad Marsh, Chris Terrion, Doug Crossman, and Steve Coates, plus live Coatesy's Corner Show right at the tailgate. This is the first Flyers pre playoff road trip with fans in the building in eight years. Think about how long it's been since you've had a chance at this experience. Spots are limited and of course, they're moving fast. So book now at truefandravel.com. That's truefantravel.com to book your ultimate playoff flyers experience. It's never too late for a four seasons AC tune-up. Schedule yours now and save $50 . Only $89.9 5. Every tune-up is backed by an industry-leading one-year no-breakdown guarantee for peace of mind all year, and it's all backed by your trusted local experts. Got a plumbing or electrical emergency? Call four seasons. Heating or cooling not working, you know who to call for seasons. Thinking about a whole home generator, they've got you covered. At four seasons , they guarantee same-day installation for all your heating, cooling, plumbing, electrical, and generator needs with no extra charge for nights, weekends, or holidays. For all the right reasons, call eight six six six Four Seasons. Four seasons, your trusted local experts for heating, air conditioning, plumbing, sewer, and electric. Visit fourseasons heatingcooling.com for all their special offers and money saving coupons. Again, that's four seasons . Heatingcooling.com. There's a reason Chevy trucks are known for their dependability. It's because they show up no matter the weather. Push forward, no matter the terrain, and deliver. That's why Chevrolet has earned more dependability awards for trucks than any other brand in 2025 according to JD Power. Because in every Chevy truck, like every Chevy driver, dependability comes standard. Visit Chevy.com to learn more. Chevrolet received the highest total number of awards among all trucks in the JD Power twenty twenty five U.S. Vehicle Dependability study. com slash awards for more details. Chevrolet, together, let's drive . Bo and EJ and Fran talking wide receivers, talking buckets. Ted Hurst from Georgia State 6'4-206 and a 4-4-2 and at a 30 ,1 3 5-inch broad jump. In the whole list of elite wide receivers, only Calvin Johnson had a better broad jump than 10 Hurst, tied with Julio Jones, a monster jump. Just give him the gold jacket already. Fast and productive, but not young . Do I get to do it? Is in the first two rounds, generally speaking, a terrible bucket. Draft from Devontae Smith and Zay Flowers are the only two out of eighteen guys to hit . The rest of them have been pretty putrid. Who did you get? I got Chase Claypool. Chase Claypool. Yeah. Not bad. Now, it is also not a bad bucket for later guys. So it it's you know, if Ted Hurst goes in the third round, maybe that's fine. However, I will tell you, if I'm gonna if I'm gonna squint and bet on a guy among this group, yeah, I can sort of see the path with him more than I can with some of these other players. And you gotta squint because when you watch that guy's tape, it looks like it was filmed on my iPod shuffle that I had in high school. What did you like about Good friend. No, I was gonna say he's a he's an intriguing talent. I mean when you look at the look at the size, the I thought the the film certainly piqued my interest and you see the skill set with the ability to win outside the numbers he was used down the field uh he can get in and out of breaks I thought he needed some refinement certainly but the flashes are are pretty impressive. Um, you know, I when first watched him, I thought like third, fourth round, uh was kind of how I had him pegged, you know, go watching the film back in the fall. Go to the senior bowl. I thought he was solid down there. I thought he had a solid week. I'll tell you what though, like he put on some weight before the combine, like, you know, got bigger uh and looked good. They uh the the position workout in Indianapolis really really kind of uh you know increased my interest. And I think that's why we're now talking about him in round two. I think a lot of people feel that the arrow is pointing up with this player. Uh began his career at Valdasta State, played there for a couple years, then transferred up the Georgia State um putrid team. Like just I think they won like three games in the last two seasons. Um , you know, played on a bad team, but was very productive and everyone knew that that was the guy and they still couldn't uh they still couldn't stop even when they went up against uh some better competition. So um yeah I I do think there's a lot to like. To me, like when I thought of I thought of some players like um you know like Jalen Tolbert, I think Michael Gallup was one of my like you know the player like that. And th those guys typically it's like third, fourth round. Uh but I I think I had him going to like Washington in early round two in the in the seven rounder. Like I again, you're talking like early two. That's probably a little rich for me, but I think at the end of the day, like you know, that that that that is a player that I I'd be willing to bet on. I think that's right. I think yeah, I I you you can see the path and the explanation with him more than when with some other guys. But yes, uh like with everybody else. Sounds like a good pick in the third round. Which means somebody's gonna reach for him. Maybe not so great in the second round. Fran, would you like to react to the uh breaking NFL trade news that we have. Yeah. We've got a challenge trade. The Falcons are trading Rook Aurora . Nice. To the Jacksonville Jaguars in exchange for Mason Smith. Oh, 2024 D-tackle. Same class. Traded for each other. Yeah. Uh Aurora is a pure like three technique. Um that's interesting because I know like Jacksonville was kind of sniffing around some of the defensive tackles. They've got they don't have a first round pick, but it'd been uh they've been rumored to go to want some extra D tackle depth there. Uh and Mason Smith, I think there was like questions about him falling out of favor anyway in Jacksonville. So um that makes that that makes some sense. It's interesting though, because Atlanta, while they changed coaching, like Kevin Stefansky came in, they kept Jeff Ulbrick, uh the defensive coordinator. Um so uh yeah, I guess they s clear clearly saw like all right, not a not a fit for our defense. All right, let's talk about a player who the Eagles brought in for a pre-draft visit. And that is DeJean Stribly. Yep. 6'2, 207 from Ole Miss, a five-year senior. Will be 23 as a rookie. Played two years at Washington State and two years at Oklahoma State before last season at Ole Miss. His best season was two years ago when he had 882 yards, but was over 800 yards last year. Ran a blazing 4-3-6-40. And I do think he looks fast on the field. Um William Blocker, right? Very, very much so. I think his his best stuff, like his real highlight plays, he looks better than some of these other like I think his highs are higher than some of the other highs. He looks like a true number one. But again, why didn't he never ever put it all together ? So here's my thing. I actually didn't think that he was fast on film on film when I when I studied um I had questions about the speed and I had questions about the athletic upside, but I liked the film a lot, and so I thought that he would be like a high-end backup or you know, like almost like a like a you know, like a a Mac Hollins level of player. That was kind of how I viewed him before the combine. And then he went and he ran four three and I was like, all right, like if you're telling me that he's got this upside, because I I really liked him as a blocker. He catches everything. Um, the route running was solid, wasn't spectacular, but solid route runner, and he's got size. So I'm like, all right, like there's there's a lot to like here, like dirty work player. I thought he'd be like a Nick Siriani type. Um, but like I said, then he goes to the combine and he runs the way he did, and I didn't expect that. I do think this might fall into the category of the uh good kid tested well. Okay. That said, like I have so spoiler, I have the Eagles taking Stribbling, but I was listening to uh to our friend Dane, uh Dane Brucker at the athletic, and he said on a recent show, uh, I forget which one I saw the clip on social media, um he doesn't think he's getting out of the second round. Really? Yeah. I'm like, whew. Well, how these guys can't all go in the second round, right? Well uh they might. Yeah. Well no, it's it's it's this this class. It's gonna be it is gonna be fun next week because I think there's going to be a lot of like oh wow moments, at least for me. Um so I I'm excited for that. Yeah, I had someone I had someone tell me they think that it's it's gonna be like, you know, someone's someone's third round pick is is everybody else's fifth. Like it's gonna be truly like there's gonna be lots of surprises in war rooms about like when guys are going 'cause it's it's pretty flat, you know, after the top fifty or whatever. I think lots of trades on night one and in and in the second round as well. And then I think uh I think some surprises. So it'll be fun. Mm . All right. Uh I am with you in being relatively lower than consensus on another player who's supposed to go uh in the second round. That's Jeremy. Jeremy Bernard from Alabama. Six one emeter. We are unanimous on this one. Okay. Wow. Can I just get something off my chest? Go ahead. Devo Samuel? GTFO. What are we talking about here? Who gave him a Debo Samuel? I've seen like some Debo Samuel buzz. I don't I now I can't remember where it was, and now maybe I'll make it a straw man. I saw this comparison. I promise you. On my way in, I was listening to something, and they said Debo Samuel as a comp. I'm like, where do you see that ? Like, he does not have nearly as much juice as Debo Samuel did. Like body style, I body team. He doesn't have anywhere near the Badonka Dom. I didn't really see it with Jeremy Bernard. I didn't understand it. Yeah,. now Now uh good, note in the draft guy, his drop rate, just three point two percent catching everything entering the season, one of the lowest. You know, he he's got great hands. I mean, to me, he is I I am I am once again, uh Jersey scouting. But he's what's his name? Who the Eagles the in the Harrison Bryant trade. And then they John Mechie? Yeah, he's John Mechie. He's fine. Okay. He's good at everything. They're different players, but yeah, yeah. That's kinda yeah. But uh I get it though, because uh that's kinda how I view Bernard where I'm like all right, like I don't see like major weaknesses with this game, but there's nothing to get excited about either. But you know, outside of like he catches everything, but that's that's okay. You know that that's that's good. But also uh I d I did not see like a high level physical talent. Um yeah, I I struggled there. Three star, I believe he was Michigan State to start, then went to Washington. Then Washington and then well with with the the program they all they'll all move over. Alright, time to take a uh send you two bucket time . CDP says current Debo Samuel. That's good. That's good. Yeah, I like that. It's like it's like your uh what was it from the other day? Me? Yeah. Lesser lesser Charles Smith Wade. Charles Smith Wade. Uh I did. Was it the comp from yesterday? No, it was Kevin Bayard. You were like, Well Eagles Byard. I was like, which version of Kevin Bayard are you getting here ? Uh if it was Eagles Kevin Bayard, I would have written key Eagles Kevin Bayard in in the the uh comp. That's a fair point. So we can go through a bunch of these other guys if you want. There's a but there's a bunch of little fast guys like uh Zachariah Branch. Yep. Brennan Thompson, Deion Burks . Do you like any of those guys? I mean, I we know your rankings, but is there one who you see as a better fit for the Eagles? And and I guess do you think that if if you are building out a basketball team like the Eagles might want to do in a post-AJ Brown world and you've got Dontavian Wicks and you've got Devontae Smith, is there room for a little guy like that? Or would you want to fill it out with with some other different kind of player? Sans Hollywood Brown, I would say yeah. I guess it depends on how married they are to Hollywood Brown being on the fifty-three. Um or but look at the end of the day, if they get some third round, yeah, and they say, like, all right, Dion Burks is our best player. Zachariah Branch is our per is our best player on the board. Like we'll we'll go that direction. Um I I happen to like Burks the most of that group. You know, I know like Zachariah Branch was getting like first-round buzz, like there were mock giraffes out there with him you know with him in it like we're talking like February. Um I think like can't get that everything is underneath you know not a not a vertical like uh like downfield weapon in that offense but even going back to USC wasn't really that guy either. Um, you know, and so I I always kind of struggle with that profile. It's a lot of like schemed up gadgety touches. Uh so I I struggled more with branch. He's he's there's some toughness there, NFL bloodlines, the whole deal. But I just like Deion Burks a little bit more. He's strong through contact, pound for pound, strong, uh, can track the deep ball, special teams background, not just as a return man, but also on cover teams as well. I liked Deion Burks, who began his career at Purdue and then transferred down to Oklahoma. Five nine and three quarters, one eighty. We'll be twenty three days of rookie ran a four three forty with a one four nine ten yard split. He's got that Deshaun thing in the open field in terms of like the running style where like his his shoulders are out in front being very patient ahead of the rest of his body, but his legs are also moving really fast and he just has that extra gear. Just the way that he runs reminded me of Deshaun. He's he's not the same kind of player. Um I can if you wanted to talk about just adding speed to the offense, there are lots of guys in this class who could give that to you. But I I I did did like Deion Burks. Yeah. I I I I liked Burks. You know, Brendan Thompson, like he had the he was the four fastest guy at the combine and that that speed does show up. He has got real, real deals. He wo he would have been the thing stop me if you've heard this before. He would have been more productive. That Mississippi State quarterback was brutal last year. Yeah. He still topped a thousand yards. Yeah, left a lot of yards on the field. Like he could have been ultra productive. Um there were a bunch of like under thrown deep balls, like stuff like that. So uh you know Brent Tom now, you know, it took until this point to get product and he didn't really have much of production much production at all before that. Let me ask uh EJ on this because, this is a former Longhorn, uh, began his career there as a freshman, transferred to Oklahoma as a sophomore. There's a few of these. There's a you know USC, UCLA one. How are we doing? That's the Ben Van Sumer in the Michigan State to Michigan. Yeah. I cannot, I cannot get on board with that. I mean, it's what are we doing here? I mean if i there's a certain pathway where you can get me on board with that where like if the if the coach is that much of an a-hole too then I thought you were gonna be like a this team doesn't define me type of thing, but like come on, no, no, just from just from a real purely vengeance standpoint. Okay, you know what? Yeah, I could see that. Like, you know, that that's that program , yeah, I feel like I was yeah, they did wrong by me. I'm gonna go get my revenge. Okay. All right. I've got a uh I've got a good vengeance storyline for a player we've talked about. Ooh . Uh so KC Concepcion um grew up in the Charlotte area and uh was a huge UNC fan. And NC State got in and offered him early, and UNC was very late to the party. So he ended up going with NC State. And but he still harbored like uh so you know some bad feelings uh towards UNC. I like it. They played North Carolina the first year and like the coach like has gone on the record and like talked about this like uh like after the fact he was like complete he went like five for one eighty and two touchdowns in the in the in that first guy as a true freshman against uh against North Carolina. Um and so like yeah he was and he's like talking about after the game he was like yeah like I was man on a mission today. Uh I love that. That's incredible. I like that from Concepcion. Bunch of super chats to get through. Jonas . He was talking about the bad quarterbacks, and he said watch the Concepcion tape. Reed cost him over 400 yards. Got him killed a couple times And then he also says, uh, shout out to Fran, love your work. Greetings from Norway. Wow. Hey. And then he asked about Brazil, who who we talked about, uh Brazzle, uh 6'3, and moved so well, but that Tennessee offense is strange. Yep. Shout out to Norway. Name a Norwegian soccer player . Um, I want to try to give you a good one. Same . Um Um when you say good, like a deep cut? Yeah, like a deep cut. Like so you won't just say Erling Hall. John Honorisa. Oh, I like that. Um I'll go Martin Odegaard. Rocket left. I'll go, I'll go uh, I'll go chalk here. Martin Odegaard.. Okay I'm I'm a I'm a quarter Norwegian. Shout out to the Norwegians. Kashkwatch. Where does Bell fall on the Mingo to Brown scale ? Uh the Mingo, uh Jonathan Mingo to uh to AJ Robin? I would lean more towards AJ, but I don't think he's I I think AJ is a that's a that's a that's a lofty comparison. Yeah um but Mingo. I'm making it. I'm making it. Let me just remind you what AJ is. I don't need to be lectured on it. I'm talking about his ceiling. I'm talking about what he could be if healthy. I don't think he's quite as I don't think he's quite as like freakishly athletic as AJ. But I see I see the comparison. Here's the deal. And this this is underscoring this whole conversation as I keep on as I keep bringing it up. AJ Brown as a true sophomore at Ole Miss had twelve hundred and fifty yards. And then the next year as a true junior, he had thirteen hundred yards. Playing in an offense with DK Metcalf and he and he ran a a really good he tested really well. And he only won the second round. Because of injury stuff, which Chris Bell also has. So if you can get Chris Bell in the second round, Chris Bell played four or five years and didn't ever even came close to that. I'm talking about EJ brought EJ brought it up earlier, like the with the college football landscape and it teams like keeping these guys in-house and like guys going back to school more often, uh, there's a lot of mouth to feed often and and the so it does it does water things down a little bit. Like LSU had they had a tight end and like four receivers with the combine this year. Obviously that you know Nussmeyer was hurt all year and that you know kind of hampered their pass game but it's like you know there's a lot there's oftentimes there's a lot of mouths to feed if you're trying to keep all the 'cause you're also trying to feed the underclassmen too so that they don't transfer to keep everybody happy. Uh June with a super chat who says Does the weak wide receiver class make Kenyon Sadiq more appealing, particularly with Dontavian Wicks already added to the room. Can I add to this? I had a question for you. Yeah. Would you rather trade up, let's call it five spots. So let's say you're giving up let's say you're giving up both threes to get Kenyon Sadi q in the first round. Would you rather do that or draft case or draft Casey Concepcion at 23 ? I would rather just draft De Honitor, I think. No, you have to choose one of the two out of the two I Of the two I would rather have those two threes could also get you one of the pro would probably be able to get you one of the tackles too, like Proctor or Freeling, potentially. Yeah. I'd go Sadiq. Yeah. I mean this this does this change your mind. We had now finished every position. Yeah. Okay. Just in time before the draft starts next week . And it really does clarify for me . Like, go get a tackle. Go get one of the top four tackles if you if you have any chance to do it . Plan A . Barring that , you know, maybe Keldrick Falk falls, and we just we you know we we build along the line of scrimmage, we stay true to ourselves. And then after that , I I get I mean go get Sid I don't think you want to move down necessarily too much. Sadiq. I I I am I am now more a little bit more in on Sadiq than I was before in just evaluating him and the value prop of him with a an imperfect profile. Yeah . But he is a better player than a lot of these receivers. Yes . He's a better player than a lot of these receivers. Yes. As a pass catcher, as a a funk uh featured member in your offense. So Yeah. I was talking to my neighbors about Kenyan Sadiq the other day. I'm I'm uh You're talking to everybody about Kenyan . Go up and get Sadiq and they're like, Yeah, I love it. So he is not he is not a good wide receiver . But Bryce Lance as your fourth round Quez Watkins, go play that role. He's got I I think that I mean he's a little bit older. He's his trailance's brother from North Dakota State, six three two oh four, around a four three four forty. The speed is I mean, the speed is real. Um speed is good. Yep, good speed. Um yeah, I mean got it it's very similar to Christian Watson, same school, you know, same body type. Yeah, I think when you're looking at uh at Lance, like very easy to say like even if he doesn't like hit, he is going to be in the league. Like he is going to be on the field. Yeah. Yes. He's going to stick and play. Yeah. I thought so too. Anyone else who you who you really like, let's let's say fourth, fifth round could play a role for you on offense . Go through here real quick. Um or EJ, did you have any other day three guys? Antonio Williams. I kinda like Antonio Williams. Yeah. Well rounded player, kind of sliding through sliding through the through through the cracks a little bit. Um I wrote Mechie for him too. Yeah, like not dynamic, but you know, I think there are some like good intangible markers with him, but then I think the ability is just a well-rounded player. He's below the threshold on uh yard s per catch. Eleven just eleven yards per catch is very low for for but again, this is this is for elite wide receivers. If you're just looking for a guy to play a role, that's a different that's a different story. Can I pull a name out of one of the buckets just for fun? Sure. Let's see what we got. Screw it. I'm pulling all of them out. You worked hard on this. Did you count the buckets in the studio yesterday and then knew like this is how many buckets I have to bring in from home. That's exactly what I did. Yeah, yeah. So which bucket was this? That's just productive . Josh Dox ton. Hmm. Very exciting. Michael Pittman. And Rasheed Rice. Are there any buckets that we haven't pulled from yet? I think not. I think we've got them all. Uh I had one more question. ' Canm I gonna give you a can I give you a day s uh a day three very late guy who I got one question who I kinda liked. Okay . The guy McAllister from TCU 's some stuff in the in the R draft card on that one. Oh okay. Well then never mind. Uh two quick things. Fran, I agreed with you wholeheartedly on Skylar Bell. We didn't talk about him. He's an older prospect. Just like, you know, he was the late breakout thing. I've I've been spending a lot of time with you. Was not was not a huge fan of the profile. But in this class, I'm a I I I I like him a little more than both of you guys. Really? Productive and fast enough that I I could take a I could take a gamble. Late breakout guy. Like really late breakout. I'm not talking about a uh uh first two days, but Well he's probably gonna go there. So some people have talked about it as a day two. I still would be, I mean, even in this class, and even it with how he like tested, he definitely tested a little better than I thought. Uh, here's what I'll say: he, you know, I had this low, I had a low grade on him going into the shrine bowl, and he was like being touted as like oh one of the best players down at the shrine and potential day two pick. Um I was on the sideline talking to a scout about you know, and we were kind of exchanging notes on uh on Bell, and I went first and said, like, yeah, like I don't know. I kind of think he's like a fringe roster player because he's he's not big, he's not a dynamic, he doesn't block, he's not a great route runner. They have schemed up a lot of stuff for him. He doesn't play special teams. So like, what are you doing to make a roster? And he's like, Frank was like, we had three guys in the last decade plus that came to our team with the same deal. And it was like they were good, they were productive college players, but what are you doing to make the team to me? Like the draft slot is really, really important for this kid because if he goes in the third or fourth round, then it's like, okay, he's got runway, right? Like he's got you know, we're not gonna cut him. But if he goes in the fifth or sixth round and doesn't do any of those little the little things, I I don't know he's not gonna he's not gonna make the team. Uh and so to me, like it's uh it is very important for him to get drafted. So it was really good that he did test the way he did because that's going to give him a shot. Jeff Caldwell from Cincinnati. You like him at all? He's got a he's he's got some production around a four-three-one at six-five. He mean must mean he's not a very good player. He's not a good player. I wanted to like, I wanted to like him because of the profile. He was a freaks list guy from Bruce Feldman. Uh, you know, so I was I was really excited to watch him like, oh, like big kid runs fast. And he was their second leading receiver at Cincinnati this year over a non-com bine invite, Cyrus Allen. Um yeah, he's just he's not he's not a great player. But he's probably gonna get drafted because he's you know the height weight speed. All right. So so if you could have any of the top twelve receivers, top fifteen receivers, at price. At price. Let's say I tell you right now you get them where they're wherever they're going to be drafted, who would you want? All right. Last caveat is this knowing like, all right, if I if I take Casey Concepcion, that means obviously like I'm not getting one. I'm choosing him over the tackles. Like I'm gonna. Yes, yes, yes. Probably Chris Bell. Really? That's where I'm at too. Chris Bell in the second round. I don't feel got but I don't feel great about that answer. Yeah. To me on Bell like if I'm if I'm inv iting the injury risk and giving all that up, he better he better I better know he's good. And I don't know that he's that good. Yeah. I think you're too low on him. I' takde Bell on the second round. I think you'd probably have to move up to get him. I mean I guess. They would 'cause I think he's got I think he's gonna go before their second round pick. But I don't think. and actually actually do go in the second round. Like I would I I think I would rather just have my pick of guys in the third round go go tackle, edge, wide receiver, tight end, and I feel good. That's that's I that's kind of what I would like to see on on the first two days of the draft. If you told me it was Ted Hurst to the third round, yeah. Yeah, I'd be fine. I I don't know. I don't honestly, it's probably like Dion Burks, Eli Heidenreich in like the fourth round, fifth ro und. It's like one of those guys. And we do like I do I'm with you on Heidenreich. Yeah, he's fun. Yeah. I think he's like my my initial grade on Heidenreich was like was was really high and I was like, I got it, like I Stribbling, I think Stribbling if if he if he makes it to the third round and not the second round, I think I would be fine with that. Yeah. That's where I that's where I ended up putting just because honestly, like and cause you know, like I'm doing I'm doing the seven round mock for all thirty-two teams, and his name kept coming up as I'm going through, and I'm like, I don't I don't I don't think this team could do this the with the sixtieth pick with the you know fifty-eighth pick. Like I just can't get there with a six-year senior who hasn't been like insanely productive. Um