Final Draft Predictions and Wrap-up

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Oh it's not uncomfortable, but you know, I'm not used to this. Yeah. I need to work my way up. So, you know, I got we gotta we gotta toughen up in this in this weather. Jam-packed. Not complaining for the record. Jam-packed show today. We're gonna talk about the quarterbacks in our position preview. Uh, and I have been thinking about the fact that the Eagles, you know, we've talked about all the quarterbacks and quarterback whisperers they have imported here. Mm-hmm. And like, okay, maybe it's a lot of help for Jalen Hurts, but it would also, it would kind of feel like a waste if you've got all these guys and there's no quarterback for them to develop uh in some sense. And so I think there's a a real chance he gives that a guy on day three. Yeah, I like that you uh you you're like talking as if Tanner McKee is like a finished product, like well he's finally deal. Yeah, okay. That's fair. I I just am like he I'm sure he will develop too. Well yeah, but but he's probably not gonna come back. Yeah, yeah. So I think I think there's a real chance Eagles at a young player. Fran Duffy will join us for that conversation. But first part of the show today, we got to talk to Howie Roseman and Nick Siriani today. And usually this is the single press conference of the year when you can probably expect the least amount of truth. Yeah. Because it's a week ahead of the draft and any kind of questions about the draft specifically, it's gonna be obfuscation if not outright lying. But I should think I thought the uh reporters did a good job today asking questions that were not super related to this draft in particular, more theoretical, more about stuff on the roster. And I also thought, Holly Roseman, yeah, he was in a great mood. He was he was glowing. He was in a great mood today. Yeah. And it wasn't the weather because he didn't know it was warm outside. Yeah. Um I agree. This is it. This is his time of year, baby. I was about to say this is uh the look of a man that has really done quite well the last handful of drafts. You know, a guy who is on a good run. And I think it was reflected in how he uh listen we should probably take a minute to underscore that because you are right. I mean just the the Eagles draft history over the past five years. Last year's draft uh already looks like the least impressive of the five, even if we are allowing for the possibility that jihad Campbell and Drew McCuba can become awesome players. They were also picking 31st, so you would expect that. Yeah. But just the track record of 2021 on the first three round picks. It is an like uh it is a it is a degree of success that you cannot back up. It is so impressive. Devontae Smith, Landon Dickerson, Milton Williams, home runs every single one.. Absolutely. Yeah Jordan Davis, Cam Jergens, and Kobe Dean . I mean, ground rule doubles at least, if not outright home runs. There was a fun I will we won't name names, but there was a fun discussion in the media house or the in the auditorium before the press conference started about whether N'Kobe Dean should be viewed as a a home run for a third round pick. Uh I think we both would agree that he was very good pick. Very good value for that. Calen Carter, Nolan Smith, Tyler Steen , Sidney Brown. Okay, you got one miss in the first three rounds. Yep. Then Quinyan, Cooper DeGene, Jalex Hunt, which m which may live on as Howie's best draft class. Um if you if you're just you know going player by player yeah in the first three rounds that that degree of success is remarkable there's obviously a lot of luck involved there but there is also a lot of you know work that goes into the Eagles making that luck happen for them uh and also developing the play ers and how we roseman deserves to have his chest out when it comes to draft time. Uh and you can you could tell that he was he was sort of soaking it up today. Figurative chest out, not literal. Yes. I mean, I don't know. He works out too. Yeah, but I mean he didn't like a low-cut shirt. Like Cuzz had on a low-cut shirt today. So that's why it's front of mind for me. Got it. Um but yeah, no, he uh he definitely had uh I would say like a confidence, a comfortability up there. I'll tell you what, I he the the little joke he made today what was the joke might have been the like the the first real guttural laugh he's ever gotten out of me. Why am I not remembering the joke though? Oh the AJ Brown. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, someone asks him uh uh I believe for the second time an AJ Brown question and it's more about like okay all the guys you've added to that room like well, you know, does that mean that you're okay in a potential AJ Brown trade? And how he takes it. This was a it was a very good delivery. It was. Yeah, it's a pause. A big laugh out of you. I remember this now. What are the odds that I'm answering that question any different than I answered anywhere else. But it was it was a it was about the delivery. He did a good job. Right to Howie. This it tells you he's he's in his He's loose. He's loose. I think you want to lose Howie. Do you want to lose lose Howie? Yeah. I mean was he loose when he made all these great picks I it's a good question. Yeah. Um I appreciate it. I appreciate the insight. I appreciate you know, I'm having some fun with what is I mean, listen, he like I didn't ask the question, but the question needed to be asked. It's a reasonable question. And it's a reasonable answer. Um, nothing's changed. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Let's get into uh what we learned and what some of the interesting things he said were. And I thought most of the interesting things were were kind of big picture stuff. But I'll let you go first. What did you think was it doesn't have to be the most interesting, but what's something that you'd like to talk about? Hmm. Um I think his answer about the Jalen stuff. Yeah, we should talk about that probably the news The big deal presented by Wawa . Howie Roseman asked about Jalen Hurts and uh the articles about yeah or the article about I guess two yeah multiple stories about standing in the organization yeah so I uh kind of a weird answer I only clipped part of the answer uh in the quote because I do think he said that something along the lines of like we have a lot of flaws as an organization. One of them is not being direct with our players. And I think he meant one of our flaws is not this thing. You know, like he wasn't saying, I don't think he was saying that they have a flaw with not being direct with their players based off the rest of the answer. So he was saying , among our flaws, not among our flaws. Yeah. One uh we have a lot of flaws, however, direct communication with our players is not one of those laws. Yes. That is how he meant it. But it is not how he said it. Yeah. So the part of the quote that I think listeners will need to hear, and will you know, this is the important part. He said, We're not hiding behind anything. We talk to our players directly. I think it's unfair. It's unfair to have those articles written. But I understand it's what sells at this point. Yeah. I think it's unfortunate. Yeah, I mean, don't love that. Yeah. But what sells. Yeah, come on. Yeah. Does it I I guess it sells what? Yeah. I don't know. Um I mean it's original reporting, which I do think sells. I hope original reporting sells. But you know, to say like that it's sensationalized, I think would be an unfair character. Yeah, but don't you think that it was a little bit interesting that there was not a going to the mats for Jalen there? Yeah, I did, uh, to a certain extent, and it speaks to I don't want to like fan the flames of like this being a conspiracy or anything like that, but I do think it is it speaks to what we said yesterday. I don't think that there's like this organizational push right now to refute criticism of Jalen Hurts. Yeah. Um, and I don't think that that's a Howie Roseman production. I don't Nick Seriani production. I did find it interesting that the question was addressed to Nick and Howie. And Nick, I think we could talk about Nick from a broader perspective, but Nick kind of said, like, I'm good with this one. I don't need to answer. Yeah, Nick, I mean Nick didn't be up there. No one asked me about it. But to say I didn't shouldn't be up there. Like I f I like we I feel bad, but you know, to um yeah, it it's we don't talk to Howie Roseman very often. Like when we do get a chance to talk to Howie, the questions, especially right before the draft, are going to lean very heavily toward Howie. Talk to Nick's a week. Yeah, it puts Nick into a tough spot where he's up there without much to do. By the way, I mean Nick is not running the draft stuff. Yeah. Like you know, he's a part of the process. But yeah, of course, if we've got and if we've got a chance to talk to Howie, we've got to ask Howie questions. Yeah. So, but still, you're you are correct. They both could have used that as an opportunity to to to give a I mean you can just say listen a strong defense of Jalen Hurts. Jalen Hurts has taken us to the Super Bowl twice. We have no issues with Jalen Hurts. We are very happy to have him as our starting quarterback, and that's really all I need to say about that. Yeah. Yeah. Listen, it is a it is a thing to bookmark that that is not the messaging coming from . Yeah, I'm not I don't think either of us are suggesting that this is like an alarmist thing, like, oh my god, like, you know, Jalen Hurts is on the outs. I just think this is um, you know, have I've we described uh the way they talked about AJ at the owners meetings as like a tonal shift. I think it's fair to call this a tonal shift as well. Yeah. Uh there's there's something beneath the surface there. I don't know what it is, but there's something going on. Yeah. It's not that's a not a normal way to answer that question. Yeah, I would agree. All right, let's close the book on the big deal presented by Wawa, get into some of the other um sort of draft related th ings. I think one thing to think about as we just uh try to figure out and suss out what's gonna happen in the first round for the Eagles. I mean they don't know exactly what's gonna happen just yet . I am sort of narrowed in on tackle , potentially wide receiver or edge. Yeah. Um, and how he was asked about, you know, wanting to flip the roster from uh getting young can cost control players on defense to offense, but you can only pick who's on the board. Talked a little bit about best player available and the meaning of the the actual uh practice of that, which is that you have a horizontal board. And so what that really means is that you can take into account long-term need and you know preference for a player within a tier, but you're never going to drop below a tier to reach for a position. And I thought the most salient thing he said on that front was when he was asked about like succession plans and the idea of, for instance, drafting Lane Johnson's successor. Yeah. Wanting to draft Lane Johnson's successor. Um, and what he said was if you if if you are too eager for that, if if you're for cing something if you're forcing a need, uh okay, here we have it. A big quote. If you're forcing something, you're not really feeling the need anyway. And you can read the rest of that quote. Um, he's talking about Cam Jergens and and with Jason Kelsey, and also the idea of like these guys getting to see Jason Kelsey or Lane Johnson going about the day-to-day life of being an an elite player. Yeah. But I think that is an a a really important thing to remember is that like if you're looking to fill a need, but you're doing it in a way that you are just adding a player to check a box who is not the player who you most believe in, guess what? You're not really feeling the need anyway. Yeah. And you're just going to have to fill it again later and you're wasting a pick. Yeah. He said it starts with the valuation of the player, which I think is a good way of putting it. Um and I think, you know, what he talked about with Cam Jurgens , um, you know, I I go back to Landon Dickerson, these weren't necessarily like picks with like a this guy's 100% I mean Cam was like one hundred percent like a successor in theory, but um you know what he's what Howie said about it today, I think, was important, which is that they viewed him as a potential difference maker. And then they almost had to weigh that against the fact that they didn't have a clear pathway to be to getting on the field. So um yeah, I think it is noteworthy, especially because I mean we'll talk about tackles later this week. I don't know, uh you get varying reviews of this tackle class. Um and I it does, you know, before you know, I personally dive really deep into the film on these guys. There are a lot of guys that it feels like they're tackle guards. You know, they might they might stick a tackle, but they probably are guard at the next level. If the Eagles don't view that spot at 23 as a potential landing, if they don't view their the the board to have a player that would be a not even a Lane Johnson replacement a right tackle you know potential pro bowler at that spot I could see them passing on those guys I again I I you kind of have mixed reviews on the class , but uh I think it'll be interesting to see if they do uh feel there is somebody there twenty thirty. He also spelled out the expectations for a first round pick. Yeah. Is for that person to be a two contract player with with Pro Bowl upside. Yes. With with like Pro Bowl caliber ability. Yeah. Um and I also think it's interesting for him to to speak on the two contract nature of it. And he's a player who you want to be in your organization as a as a high end starter for eight, nine, ten years. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's kind of like the cost control uh element. Obviously, that second contract isn't cost control, but a lot of times like you're incentivized to sign the extension at that point. Um, I'm a little bit, we can talk about this on the other side of the break, if you want. I'm a little bit less definitive about it. Can only be these three or four spots that they will they will draft. Yeah, that's a me. That's a me thing. Yeah. I feel like, you know, whether it's a player like Caleb Downs, you've meant you you have tight end in there, right? So I do not have tight end in there. Yeah, I think if Ken Ansidique is there at twenty-three, they they run the card in. Um, I know you're a little bit more tepid on that. So I mean, my argument, and again, we can do this after the break if you want, but my argument is like they they try to trade up significant spots to get jihad campbell last year. And this time last year, I don't think you would have said they were targeting a fur a linebacker in the first round. I think we can we can overweight what happened last year for a few reasons on jihad Campbell. One is that they were picking at the back of the round. And so they're looking that that is more about an evaluation of this guy is our last player with an elite grade. Two, even though he is a a it is a less important position. They believed that he could impact the quarterback. In e even if it wasn't that he was going to you know be able to moonlight on the edge, this is a player who was going to impact the quarterback in some way, and that's part of it. I think you can make the same argument for Kenyan Sadiq on the other side of the ball in a way, where it's this guy can be an impact player as a as as a pass catcher. We didn't as a tight end, we viewed him as a pass catcher. That's possible. Yeah. And that's what they would say. You're right that that's how they would sell it. I just believe in my bones that we are gonna we are gonna fast forward to Thursday at twelve thirty. I guess Friday morning at twelve thirty after the round ends, how he' gsonna sit up there and he's gonna say something like we had to get back to the meat and potatoes of building the foundation for a football team along the line of scrimmage. And we haven't done it the past couple years. We've got great players, but this is the time like we we needed to get back. to building that way Yeah, to i I just think there are scenarios that will play out where that won't be Sure. That goes right back to what we just talked about, forcing a pick. Uh because there is a chance that there's an early run on offensive lineman. And if they're pushing there are probably there are probably in the building right now there are probably like four guys who they're hoping can get within range for where it looks like they're either gonna fall to us or we can move up a little bit. Yeah. And maybe there are like two or three players who who are graded above that and they're hoping that maybe they fall. Yeah. But I think I I think it's a pretty narrow band. You're right. I think you make a s I think your argument's strongest when you think about some of the safeties that are gonna be close to that spot, you know, like the McNeil Warrens of the world, the Fenemans of the world. I don't I would be surprised. I would be yeah shocked. I would be surprised if the Eagles drafted one of those two players over a Maxi Hannachor or an offensive line prospect that makes it to them at 23. And maybe there is an early run, and like you only have your pick of one of two, uh, one or two of them. But for me, that's where your argument's strongest. But I still think if there's an impact player that falls to them, I mean that has been something they've been opportunistic about the last few years, and I think it's something they would be opportunistic about this year as well. Yeah. Well, I guess the proof will be on the pudding. 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Back on PHY Eagles Podcast, Bo and EJ .art Sting with uh recapping Howie Roseman and Nick Siriani. What what's another thing that jumped out to you? You know how there's that meme on on social media, like uh how often do you think about the Roman Empire? Yeah. How often would you say you think about like Andre Dillard ? How often do es Jalen Rager cross your mind ? Couple times a day. Actually, no. Well, Howie Rosman's great answer from Howie, yeah. Howie Roseman says that the first round misses, he thinks about 'em every day. Uh that surprised you're he said probably every day if I'm being honest. Probably every day if I'm being honest. Uh it doesn't surprise me. Especially this time of year. I'm sure I'm sure there have been days when he has has not left his mind. Um, but you know what was interesting about that, and I wanna Fran is gonna join us. Hopefully, he's watching, so yeah, we'll uh give him some time to think about it. I wanna ask him because how he said, because of that, you know, you try to learn lessons from those missus . When there are players who are are brought to him who remind him of players, sound this interesting. He's like, You better really be able to sell me on them. He said he's more skeptical. Because I am more skeptic al. And so I want to ask Fran who are the guys in this draft class who remind him of Jalen Rager , Andre Dillard, would you put Derek Garden Smith and Danny Watkins? Absolutely not. Okay. Don't shoot the messenger. Just asking the question. You know what though? Let's do this. Let's let's let's let's clip this. Let's make this a segment. Here we go. We are going to rank the 14 first-round draft picks that Howie Rosem an has made. Ooh. Not including jihad Campbell. So we'll put Jahad Campbell to the side. Okay. All right. I want you to rank the picks. At the top, it's a two-way race. Are you going Fletch or Lane? Number one? Lane. I agree with you. I go lane number one and fletch number two. I was like, that was that's a precarious draft, and they nailed it. They got a franchise icon. Okay. Now then there's a little bit of a mini tier So you're going fletch number two. I go fletch number two. Okay, yeah. I feel like that's pretty clear. Then you have a discussion between BG Devontae Quinn in there, yeah, and maybe Jalen Carter, if you want to get spicy. I'll tell you how I ranked him, but you those are the four in that tier group, I think . BG is very interesting here. I will be honest with you . No, I'm going Devontae. I'm gonna go Devante. I go Devontae number three as well. Yeah. And then I go BG number four. Yeah. I'll be honest with you. I might go Quinyon over BG. I think eventually that could be the case. I don't that it has only been two years, you cannot, you cannot. Okay, that's fair. The thing about Quinyon, that pick is because we we 'll talk about this with other positions, how we really stood on that evaluation. Because Terrian Arn old was for some ranked much higher than Quinyon, especially it was against the the big school, small school thing that the Eagles have been doing. They broke some tendencies for Kim for Quinyon, and for that reason, I think that that pick looks even better than the stay allowed them to maintain the flexibility to then go move up for Cooper DeGin. It was it was the best draft board, like the best uh execution of the war room than how he has ever had. Yeah. Okay. But if you want to go BG based off of the body of the gotta go I think you gotta go BG. After two years of Quinyon, you gotta go BG. Okay. Okay. No see that I do I would put Quinyon ahead of Jalen Carter at this point. Yeah. Because Jalen Carter is kind of who most people thought he was. The Eagles were just inviting on the risk. Yeah. And they were well situated to do so. Yeah. So yeah. Now then I think I think I think of the fourteen, there are eight good picks. Like definitely good picks. And so I think there are two more good picks. And those are Carson Wentz and Jordan Davis. And I would put Carson Wentz at number seven and Jordan Davis at number eight. Mm . This is tough . I might go Jordan Davis with expected value still to add over Carson Wentz. I think it'll age better in a few years. I don't know. I think I think Carson Wentz you got you got a good quarterback at number two, which doesn't always happen. This guy helped lead you to the Super Bowl, the first Super Bowl you ever got. And then you got good value for him in return. There wasn't a stand on it there. They they they they they did they they just took oh I don't know if I was there for it. They took the quarterback that was available. If Jared Goff were there at number two, they would have taken Jared Goff. That that's they knew that Jared Goff was going number one. They I mean, come on. This is back in be an adult. I I literally wasn't an adult when they made the pick. Um they knew that Wentz was was gonna be there number two. And they moved up to get him. Like you know, it was a whole process to get up that high. I think that was a very the very well done thing. Uh and then Jordan Davis, you know, they took him over Kyle Hamilton. It's not like and it took him a while to get good . I think that I to me I feel pretty strongly that's the same. If you're using that logic, then I want Quinyon over BG because Earl Thomas . Well, if BG played longer. I mean I'm not saying but I think the same logic would apply there. It's like they they missed out on a very good player right afterward, but still . This is your list at this point. Uh then you've got the two guys, then you got the two guys who are in the middle. Okay. Derek Barnett and Nelson Aguilar . And to me, you you would you would have liked, especially Aguilar, I think uh to me it's clearly Barnett nine and Aguilar ten. I agree. Um Derek Barnett was a was a cromulent top three edge rusher. Cromulant's a good word for it. Uh whereas Nelson Aguilar ended up contributing to that Super Bowl team was a disappointment. Yeah. Really? Eric Barnett is like if two fifty is a Mendoza line, I think he's like two forty. Like he's just below what you expect from a first round pick, in my opinion. I think he's just above me. I mean he's not he's not a first round, he's not a bust, but yeah, he I wouldn't think he's just above expected value from that spot . Fairly. Yeah, we're all we're on the very opposite sides of the same same coin. And then you've got the bottom four. So rank rank for me the bottom four from eleven to fourteen. So we're going we're still gonna we're still going descending order. We're not gonna go bottom up for the last three . Correct. Okay. Well, no. Descending order would be would be bottom up. We're going in normal order. Yeah, normal order. Jalen Rager, Andre Dillard, Marcus Smith, Danny Watkins. Oh . It probably they're all bad. They're all pretty bad. This is a big tear skip . I think the only thing I would say is I think Jalen Rager and Dan ny Watkins are probably the bottom two. I agree with that. So from there I don't feel strongly. I think Dillard is eleven. Yeah, yeah. No, you're the best at that. I feel strongly about that. Dillard was like not good, but better than the that group.. Yes Relatively. And it's it a tier of the In a world in which Jordan Milata doesn't exist , Andre Gillard might just still be a kind of a below average starting left tackle for the Eagles. Yeah. I think they would have kept just trying to draft over him. But yeah, I think that's right. But I think I think it wouldn't have looked as bad. Yeah. Uh Marcus Smith did not work out. Uh it was more of a a a player who you were drafting on theory, but it was also later in the round. Um, and it's not like there was an uh more obvious s selection there. Yeah. The bottom two is tough to decide who's worse because with Rager , it's so obvious . Yeah. Justin Jefferson was the consensus better player on the board. Yes. That's why I think it's but Danny Watkins . I mean you're drafting a twenty six year old, a twenty eight year I feel like it's Rager because part Danny Watkins story part of it, no, there's no excusing to pick, but it's like some of it you could not have projected for. I know, but that's the that's the problem is that that you could have. And there was there's a player player that was picked right after I mean Cameron Jordan is the I think they would say that you know the the part of the Watkins selection was you may not remember this, CJ. It was it was in the middle of the lockout. And so they were you were you were trying, and it came before free agency. And so you were sort of trying with they thought that they were like filling a need, but the idea of like, you know, what guy that old with as little experience as he had but what does the chat think who was who was who was number fourteen on on how he's picks is it Rager or Watkins Rager was a rare instance where, like, the minute they made the pick, everyone's like, ooh, I don't think that that was the right decision. And it turned out to be even worse than people would have expected. Like, to me, it's Rager . Now, again, you're right. I was a junior in high school when Danny Watkins got drafted. So it was a little bit lower stakes for me at that point. You know, I had other things on my mind in two thousand eleven. Like what ? You know, what is any whatever I was at that point, 17-year-old boy have on his mind. Studying for the SAT. Yeah, exactly . Get that education, baby. I think Rager was worse. I think Rager is worse. I think I'd probably go Watkins. But it's like you didn't know that he was like going like fall out of love with the game. Well, why not? Well, you but you're but that presupposes that that's the reason he wasn't good. Maybe he fell out of love with the game because he wasn't good. Yeah, but I think his story is at least a little bit more complicated. With Rager, it was just like he was never that guy. And if you know, not like the the Ooh, good good point. Uh in the comments. Watkins was the in the middle of a lockout. Rager was in the middle of a lockdown. Yeah. Maybe there's something there. Watch out for locks when the Eagles are having a draft. It's a COVID year. This was a fun exercise. Down I have Rager 13, Watkins 14, but I think Rager's gotta be the worst. Let's see what the poll what's the what's see what let's see what the chat says. But you know what? I could I could here's how I could be swayed . Watkins was kind of, you know, that was Howie's third draft or fourth draft. Yeah. The caprice of it. It's kind of like a yeah, it's a it's a it's a lesson learned from a younger GM, whereas with Rager, you would have thought that you know you're seasoned enough to not make that mistake. I think that do you think the Eagles cause the Eagles are typically pretty aligned with the consensus big board more more so than other teams? And that's why a lot of times like their drafts are viewed very positively, is because it's like, man, I can't believe they got this guy that was 30th on the consensus big board in the second or third ro und. Do you think that the Reager mistake has led to that a little bit more for them? Like sometimes don't overthink it. I think that's part of it. I could see that being the reason why, especially with what Howie said today. Alright. Anything else uh from Howie today that is worth it? Um I like how he talked about um and I know you enjoyed this too. Uh he was talking about how the changing landscape in college football has affected their scouting process. Um and he said the biggest issue is that for the first time really in the history of the National Football League, you were taking players that are taking pay cuts. I'm curious about this just from uh you know, if you if you could have a scout to talk to off the record, you know, like ha uh the differences in evaluating these players now versus five years ago because as they bounce around , there are a lot of different things going on. One, you get to for the positive, you get to see what it's like for them changing schemes, changing situations, yeah, and and how they handle that. That's what you're trying to project when they come to the NFL. On the other hand, or and also for the positive, you have more touch points at different places for people to tell you about what kind of a person you're dealing with. Yeah. On the flip side, maybe they're maybe the that information is less reliable because if they're leaving one place to go to another, then you know how much how jilted are they? Yes. Uh like are you getting accurate information? It's where the relationships come in. Like how much do you trust the people? And how we talked about this, yeah. How much do you trust the person that you're talking to? Have they given you good information in the past? You know, do you trust that? But yeah, I mean the the money part of it, that is interesting. Yeah, absolutely. And I I did think how he pointed to um r relying on people he has had long-standing relationships with because of the fact that he can trust the information he's getting from them. It doesn't seem like they cast as maybe well they they probably cast a wide net, but I think Howie probably focuses on a narrow field of people that he's worked with for a lot of his career. Um other quick he also talked about how you know this is probably the last draft where the average age is older because but but I like how he talks about it's like well because there's still this is the last draft with COVID guys. Yeah COVID COVID guys. Like it's funny like that's a direct quote. They're lepers all over there, just like walking around the COVID's The COVID guys. Yeah. Uh yeah, I found that interesting. And then I I a nod to you, um, and the work that you do for these prospect scouting shows that we do. Uh, he was talking about the different things that the they weigh, uh, kind of like regardless of the coaching staff, you know, the traits that they value. And he says yeah, we have critical factors at each position based on research that our analytics group puts together, based on all pro players, pro bowl players, solid starters, and obviously guys who failed. So we're looking at critical factors at each position based on the workouts. If the guys work out and they test, we can see those. We have GPS numbers as well for guys who don't work out. So um I think it is honestly it's just me taking uh well I guess patting you on the back and patting the show on the back that the Eagles are you know valuing some of the similar things that Bo often brings to the table in terms of like what are the common threads between the best players and the NFL. They've got more data than we do. But yeah, I mean, we have GPS tracking data and stuff like that. Yeah. Um but that that is interesting. Um and it is it's a similar exercise. I also had too, I thought he he gave a good answer when you asked them about just the the player development group. Yeah. And when you think about what he said, which is that, you know, it's kind of naive to expect a twenty-two year old, twenty-three, twenty-four year old. He didn't say twenty-four. He said twenty-one, twenty-two, and twenty-three. To be their best seller. So old this early. And the way that they talk about give these guys in in draft meetings is okay, what can this guy be in three years? Yeah. Um, you know, once we have the resources to help them in the building to become the player. But that's an important thing to think about when you're thinking about the timeline that they're working with in the draft. Yes. And like this is your chance at player acquisition, like asset acquisition, and it is not about this guy can fill this role for us this year necessarily. Yeah, you said that the if you are thinking about things on a on on that time horizon, then September is not the most important thing. Yeah. He said the draft is a separate entity a couple of times, which I think is a window into like they don't view the draft as like a an opportunity to to plug short term holes. It kind of is your one I mean it's like these are your most valuable resources in an offseason for a team like the Eagles that don't don't have as much cap space and flexibility. So you have to view it as like add the best players you possibly can. Yeah um and I do think that there's evidence of them doing that to some degree, at least in the last few years. All right. Let's take a quick break. On the other side, we're going to talk about the quarterbacks in this draft class. Will the Eagles add somebody ? I don't know. Does the factory keep churning? Tune in to find out . The Fanatics app is the all-in-one destination for every part of your sports fandom. You can get official gear for your favorite teams and players, including the latest drops, exclusive releases, and must-have merch all in one place. Playoff time is coming up for the Sixers, and maybe, maybe, hopefully, the Flyers. So now is the perfect time to get that hoodie, that t-shirt, that hat, or that jersey that you've had your eye on all season just in time for the postseason. It's also more than just shopping. 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Back on the PHOY Eagles podcast, fifty-six percent of respondents in the poll narrowly siding with Jalen Rager as all things my way. Well, 56% of them for now. Oh, you're trying to you're trying to tilt the pole. Oh. Lindsay's end of the poll. If you are in line to vote . I was wondering how you were gonna do that. Like make it make it political, but all right. Uh let's talk quarterbacks. Um this will not be our most extensive quarter uh position preview of the drafts. We're gonna do maybe tackles tomorrow. Yeah. We're gonna have a guest on Thursday doing a little uh linebackers and safeties, and then we're gonna get the buckets going on Friday . Big one. Why'd you do the not so sure. Okay . Sorry, I didn't mean to name it why I do a lot of things. I think you're a very intentional person. That's maybe not as intentional as my predecessor, predecessor. But I mean that guy's pretty intentional. However , as I said at the top, yeah, the Eagles have a lot of guys in the building who can help develop quarterbacks. And so even though they have a full room, it seems like, I would not be surprised if they add someone on day three. Would you would you be shocked if they added someone as soon as day two ? If they have three picks on day two, if they use all three of those picks on day two, it wouldn't surprise me if they added a quarterback in the third round. In a in a class where there is thought that like the third through middle fifth rounds is is pretty flat. Yeah. I w it it's not impossible. Honestly, okay. I have a question for you here. How many turkeys would you put on one of the following two outcomes happening? So you get both scenarios in your turkey count here. They draft a quarterback or they trade one of the picks to move up in the first round . In the first round? Yeah. Yeah . You know what? They ch they they use one of their third round picks to move up in the first or the second round. Or draft a quarterback. Or in on the first two days. Yes, on the first two days. Let's say that. So they either move up on the first two days with one of those third round picks or they use it on a quarterback. Basically using it on a non-press ing need for the 2026 Eagles. 4y eight. I'm probably lower than that. But I just think there's a real chance they 're real chance they trade up . I'd say thirty-five. I mean, you have to find a suitor for a trade-up. I'm gonna be a broken record on that. It's not a good draft. I don't know if there's gonna be tons of opportunities to move up or to move. Yeah, for I don't think there's gonna be tons of teams that are like, yeah, we'll move back 12 spots. Like we we feel great about 31 players right now. Yeah. All right. Now here's my question for you. Yeah, this is a good question. If I told you that the Eagles are going to draft a quarterback at some point on draft weekend . And you have to guess who that quarter who that quarterback is. You don't know what round it's gonna be, but at some point they're gonna draft a quarterback . And you have to name one. Who do you think it is? I really struggled with this. There were three players that I thought made a lot of sense. I'm going to go with Drew Aller . I'm gonna go with Drew Aller, and if I had to put a round on it, I'd say the fourth round. I could see him even moving up a little bit to secure Drew Aller. Matt Barkley. Maybe it's one of the maybe it's a a Keely Ringo scenario where it's like we sat all you know sat overnight and we couldn't believe Drew Aller was still on the board. And you know, we just wanted to make sure we got him before, you know, we wanted to make sure we had the chance to draft a player. Because listen, he is, if nothing else, Traitsy. And I think when you look at the types of quarterbacks that they've targeted, um, Jalen Hurts and Tanner McKee is like the two where you felt like you had an established starter that you were adding into the room. I do think, I mean, Tanner McKee is not the traits player, but I do think like having a a vision for how this player could become a starter is important to them. I don't think that they draft these guys thinking like, oh yeah, like if they're just a backup for four years, we feel good about that. Um so for that reason I think Drew Aller makes sense because he is a player that you could at least envision starting a game and becoming a high a high level quarterback with a with a high ceiling because of the physical tools there. He's my type of quarterback for that reason. Uh so I'll go with Drew Alley . The bad news is if I had to name one, I think I would also name Drew Aller. Okay. Um I for the reasons you're saying, um now if you look at his profile relative to the elite quarterbacks he.'s He's what like one of the only guys who doesn't have any red in there. However, there's some real nasty stuff in brand's report on Drew Aller and the numbers that matter section, which is my favorite section . Uh two ones to read for you on Drew Aller. Who is who we should say is Fran's quarterback five? A lot of red in the numbers that matter. Despite his big arm, just eight point two percent of his throws traveled twenty plus yards downfield in twenty twenty five, the lowest rate of any quarterback drafted in the last decade in their final year of college. Woof. Now you can explain that away a little bit because of the the turmoil at Penn State this season. Yeah. Um he would hope that that is a big reason for that. The other one here is that what makes those numbers more startling is that Aller's average time to throw from a clean pocket in 2025 was two point six three seconds. Hundred and eighty-three quarterbacks have been taken in the last ten drafts. Only eleven got the ball out of their hands slower from a clean pocket in their final season. Of those eleven, just one, Ian Book had a worse adjusted completion percentage, which removes drops and throwaways from clean pockets. So to sum it up, in twenty twenty five, Drew Aller was holding on to the ball for a long time without being aggressive downfield or accurate. So he sounds perfect for the twenty twenty five version of the Eagles offense. I mean he he'd be a great fit in what we saw from the Eagles offense last year. Um I think just from a buying the dip standpoint, you know, how he could say two years ago this guy was it was considered a potential first round pick. We think there are extenuating circumstances behind why his level of production dropped last year, and this is a player who we think we can develop. And if you're just talking about developing the guys, you know, Aller is gonna be twenty two as a rookie, whereas the other guys who are gonna be in that range, Arson Beck is is older . Garrett Nusmeyer is older. Uh you know, Talen Green if you're just drafting an athlete. Yeah, those are so Nussmeyer and Talen Green were the other two that I thought about here. Um I think Nussmeyer would make a lot of sense. Uh obviously they've got as how he put it today, did you catch this? The cohab. He did say the cohab, yeah. That was funny. You know what? That just proves that he listens to the show. 'Cause like how often could he be talking about cohabitation matrix? They're talking about it all the time. Yeah, but like he must hear us and he's out. These guys know what's up. They know the cohabitation made. Like it's become such a thing that you don't even need to refer to it by its full full name. Just the cohab. Uh they've got the cohab with Garrett Nusmeyer. Um Fran loves Garrett Nussmeyer, like as uh in in terms of the tape. I think he loves the tape. Uh obviously there's an injury concern there, but I like him. I like Garrett Garrett Nussmeyer. He he has some throws. Light he is. Yeah, but he has some throws where you're like, oh yeah. Like this guy's he's gonna be really good. Garrett Nessmeyer is friends quarterback two, which is uh uh against consensus. Most everybody else says Ty Simpson as quarterback, too. Garrett Nussmeyer , under 6'2. He's 6'1 and 5'8 . Anyway, he's 203 pounds with really short arms. 203 pounds is lighter than every elite quarterback from the past ten plus years. I mean Russell Wilson was two oh four Kyler Murray was two oh seven and he's you know he's five ten and a half uh so that's it's a bit weird, but I it shouldn't be that hard for him to put on a little bit of weight, right? I would think. But his numbers are fine . I trust Fran's evaluation on on Gary Nuss. Fran has been on Nusmeyer for a while. Yeah. I think the reason he's not viewed as a first round prospect is what you listed, but also again, um, definitely some injury concerns there. So I think he's a fun player. Uh he's he's probably like an ideal young backup because of the fact that you're not as worried about the injury concerns if he's your number two and you're developing him. And I could see like if you if you drafted him, you know, two seasons from now or even a season from now, uh, him coming in in a a big, big, big moment and being ready for it. You know, like he has, like I said, he's got some high level throw. He's got really good touch. Uh he I he 's capable of doing like the no look stuff. Um you know not like a Matthew Stafford level, but he he's got it in there and um I like he's like he varies Zarm angles a lot. I I like him. I like him a lot. He like when I started watching him he wasn't I you know I figured he's not gonna be my type of quarterback. Again I love traitsy quarterbacks that can make every throw and you know can you know break the pocket. Did you watch Talen Green? Oh yeah. He's awesome. He's awesome. But Nuts mine has enough of like the arm talent that he got me, uh he got me uh I got there with him, I guess. So you're interested in Talen Green? Yeah. I mean that's the guy who if the right that you're selling yourself I love an athletic quarterback like that. I mean you can Taylalon Green, if you're unfamiliar from Arkansas, had these insane combine results at basically 6'6, 227. He's got long arms, ran a 436 , a 43.5 inch vert, and a hundred and thirty-fchour in broad , every single one of those would be the best in the sample of elite quarterbacks. Yeah. I mean, he's got there's a lot of red probably means he's say there's Oh just the just the football stuff. He's got some red, but you know . But no I mean I'm point nine nine RAS. That's all I care about. You are building like the worst football team that's ever been built on the first time. I just told you I'm coming . I'm coming around a little bit on like the quarterback eval stuff, though. Like I am I just told you I like Garrett Nessmeyer. Like I I'm starting to value other elements of quarterback play. But I mean, who doesn't love a superhero at quarterback? It's more fun when you have a superhero at that position. And it makes life easier for the quarterback. It's easier to get proficient in these other areas than it would be to teach one of these guys how to be a freakish athlete. So I don't know that I agree with that. I told you quarterback's the one that I'm like less convicted in. Okay. Uh but like offensive line, defensive line, like you need to you gotta have those critical factors, as the Eagles would say. Now I'm curious about um Kid Klubnick because I was led to believe he was the number one quarterback in this clas s. Done deal . Despite being six two two oh seven and having a seven point one yards per attempt, which would be the worst in this sample. Well, just barely over uh Drew Breeze. Just Drew Breeze. Uh yeah, I mean what happened there? It's a good question. I mean question for uh the Duff man. Yeah, I know. I see him. He's there. I'm just trying to continue the conversation here. All right. On the other side, we're gonna bring in Fran Duffy and ask him if he had to pick which player from this quarterback class is gonna land on the Eagles. Who would it be? Stay tuned to find out . Did you win? Who cares? You know why? 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I was this close to going Garrett Nussmeyer in the mock draft last week. Like this, this close. Yeah. I do think it would require a day two pick, and obviously, there would be a large section of the the fan base that would be very angry with that, just as there were when they selected Jalen Hurts in 2020 and Kevin Cobb uh over a decade earlier than that on the second day of the draft when you already had Donovan McNabb. But uh it would be a very Eagles-y thing to do. Uh I do agree that Drew Aller has a number of the uh has a number of the markers that would make sense for them. Um so I I do think that that would make some sense. I don't know that he fits the the the dog mentality aspect that we've talked about, you know, with uh with them in certain prospects. But when you get to day three of the draft, which is where I do think Aller ends up, uh, I think that you know you're you're gonna have to sacrifice some aspects of the profile in an ideal sense. So uh I do think Drew Aller uh is definitely a possibility as well. So which one are you going with? He's hedging. Come on, man. I am hedging. Yeah. Water for both. Uh I think probably it's I it's tough to say that. Yeah, oh yeah. The guy I feel most confident is that they're gonna spend a day to pick on on Nussmeyer. So I guess I would probably lean Aller and agree with you guys. That's not fun either. Um let's say uh I could kind of see Carson Beck . I could see Beck. Yeah, I could see I I could see Carson Beck. There's a little bit of Jalen Hurts narrative. Okay. Carson Beck. Yeah, the the bounce back. Right. The guy the guy though the guy's cast off from his national championship caliber program goes somewhere else , establishes himself as a leader. He's obviously not the same kind of player. Yeah. Nor is he anywhere near as good looking, but I think um one guy late that I think would would also make some sense. Okay. And you know, you would you wouldn't love it, I don't think. Is it Grano sky? It is. I am I you know what he's fine. It is Gronowski. Yeah. I think Gronosky would be the other one I'd look at. He's won more games than anybody in the history of college football. Began his career at South Dakota State. Uh led them to national championships early on in his career. Won a ton of games there, transferred to Iowa last year, and then I thought he did a solid job. He was one of the better quarterbacks at the Shrine Bowl. Um, I thought he was a little bit better than Klubnik, like just up close, but that's you know, very, very comparable. Um, I kind of like Krnowski. Yeah, I liked him a little bit. Okay . Now you have uh you have you have a like draftable grade on this guy, Cole Payton as well from North Dakota State, right? Lefty? Ooh. To me, I mean throws so much like Tim Tebow that it is yeah, it is like it's a little hard not to see. Um I will say like I'm probably low man on Peyton. Oh like yeah, a lot of people a lot of people like really like him and are like, oh he could go day two. Well sorry. Like no, I a one year starter at a watered down FCS like that, that that cannot go. Who throws like that? Um so yeah, I'm I'm more with you there. Okay. Um this other exercise, I mean, it doesn't feel like there's much juice left out of this quarterback class, right? We can move on. Yeah, it's not a it's not a great quarterback class overall. So yeah, I'm I'm good with moving on. All right, so here's the exercise I want to do with you. Howie Roseman said today that you know he he thinks about his first round misses almost every day. And the idea that like you try to learn things from these guys, and so if if there's a player in the draft who who has some things that remind him of that player, it's going to be difficult for him to get over. So I want to go through the four big misses and you tell me who in this class kind of reminds you of the kinds of concerns that you would have retrospectively with those guys. So let's let's start let's start with Andre Dillard. And to me, this is like okay, uh a t an athletic tackle who who really struggles with strength. And like mig mightht surprisingly be there. Who who would that be ? Well, the might surprisingly be there aspect. That's probably unfair. But yeah. Yeah, and I'm honestly, uh, I had started preparing, I prepared for Rager and Dillard. So I put some thought into those two. Okay. Um I struggled a bit with Dillard. I I don't think that there's a great proxy for him in this class, just because to me there's the there's the aspect of like, oh, he's gonna be you know, he fell to us and we weren't expecting it. I don't think that there's anybody that has that skill set that we're talking about necessarily falling to them uh or within striking distance of them. Um, but the one guy, like if we're looking at the offensive tackles where it's like the the the the anchors question and not necessarily athleticism uh it would be Caleb Lomu from Utah left tackle only uh now he's young left tackle only is an important one here yeah yeah yep left tackle only, really athletic , um different style program. And that's what I mean. Like there it's not a perfect one-for-one comparison. Like uh Dillard coming out of the air raid, everything was like two-point stats. He you know, it was pass, pass, pass, and pass some more. Uh so there wasn't anything of him coming off the ball or playing with his hand in the dirt. That's not really the case with Lomo . It is just more like this guy is an athletic phenom uh that needs to get stronger and needs to get bigger. Like toughness, I wouldn't say is like a strength of his game, but not necessarily like a a huge weakness or flaw either. So uh I don't want to ding him too hard on that one 'cause that was one of the knocks on on Dillard. Um but yeah, that was the closest I could come to it. I think that makes sense. I I think if you're thinking about Dillard and how Howie was probably thinking about it in retrospect, I think that the two sins there are the play strength and then not having done the full homework. So that's I I I'm trying to think of who else at a different position. All right, at a different position. Could could be like, you know what, everybody thinks this guy's gonna go top fifteen. He's there and we're surprised and we can't pass it up, but I think Proctor maybe falls in there, but I don't know if it's going to be top 15 and 10 yeah. I'm sure they have done all kinds of work. Yeah, they I think that's the one. I think you've done your work on Proctor. And I think there's enough sources. I think there's enough sourcing in the building for Proctor too, just from like Alabama standpoint. Um that you feel like you know it was a little bit different Washington State, like I I didn't there weren't like a lot of through lines there. Um to me, I I'll tell you what I'm thinking here . And and I got one. Yeah. It could be like Mikhail Lemon. Okay. Uh uh or one of the corners, Delane or McCoy, guys who were like everybody's expecting them to be to be gone. We didn't do enough work necessarily. I mean, is there a world in which Carnell Tate is there ? I don't think so. Um I think my I think my answer is Peter Woods. Okay. The guy is a guy that was universally viewed as like a top ten player entering the year. Um and again, like you're doing work on all these guys, but in terms of like as thorough, like you know, especially like at the high level. Um, you know, maybe you you know, it wasn't really a thing until recently that oh yeah, he could fall to the back end of the first round. Not a position of need for us, but Lahay, like he's just too good to pass up. That would be one. But again, I don't think that that's perfect either, but that would be the closest one looking around the board. Okay. Uh all right. I'm gonna ask you about Jalen Rager . Yep. I got one for this one. Who would be the Jalen Rager of this class? Now I don't know what the sin here is necessarily. It is uh a player who is not as explosive as you you think he is, you know, like the the the time speed was not great for Jalen Rager, especially for someone as undersized as he was. Maybe it's more about sticking to consensus. Yeah I'm gonna get an answer from you, Fran, in over time . All right, who's your who's your Drill Mary Grant? What do you think of as the as the sin there? Yeah, I think the the tricky part for the as far as like the sins for a lot of these guys and why they didn't work out, it is all often like a mixture of like the on-field with the off-field, right? And that's what that I do think that part of this the theme that we've seen with the you know the since like Nick Siriani's gotten hired because you know that's kind of like a line from like Dillard and Rager. Like honestly like, a lot of these draft picks since then have been pretty strong up top. Um I think like the physic physicality, like the mental toughness, I think all of that stuff, like that edge, like I think that that is real. And I do think that there's you could have pointed to to Jalen Rager and there was like a certain a certain edge to him, right? And I think that that I don't want to like say it's all that. I will say one player production was not great, which is another thing. And remember everybody throwing that quarterback under the bus Yeah. Like that was the whole the whole the whole explanation for Jalen Rager was well you got you should see how bad that quarterback was. Like maybe maybe don't ignore that, but okay, go ahead. One of the guys I that wrote down actually while watching this player, I wrote down Jalen Rager as a as a comp for him. He's a first-round player. Um, Omar Cooper Jr. Hey, I thought about that. Yeah. I think that when you look at their games, I think that there's some similar ities there where you saw flashes as a route runner and like there's ability there, but not fully fleshed out. Uh with Omar Cooper Jr. was a little bit of a late bloomer. Uh you know, the questions about like maturity, kind of reading between the lines of like public coach comments, like from multiple coaching staffs talking about Cooper put you know in press conferences. It was like, yeah, like if he could put it all together, if he you know, if he does everything the right way every day, like all that stuff. Um, so I think there's a little bit of that element. Uh, I think when you're looking at it, a lot of his stuff is more like underneath and some gadgety and like schemed up touches as opposed to like all right, like him winning one-on-one as a consistent route runner, really good hands and yards after catchability, but like ball tracking down the field a little bit of a question that that that to me is the is the closest from this group and wide receiver. Okay. Oh man . Yeah that's gonna send a shiver a shiver down people's spines. I was about to say because I like Domar Cooper, but man. I mean I love Jalen Rager. Like so you know I was I was guilty of the same uh the same I was I was really really high on that pick. I'll just say Janie Watkins is uh Mezzador . You got the old guy. The old guy scrimmage. Yeah. You know. Yeah. You can you can ba although y you can make a case. Ihanachor is the one there because this is you're you're selling yourself on this guy hasn't played a lot. Um but Okay. And then do you have a Marcus Smith one? And what do you think the sin is there? Like the I think you're talking you're thinking about Marcus Smith and its its um tools and his body over although he I guess he was productive. He had a lot of sacks coming out. Um, but there was no specific. Just that final year, though, if I remember right. Yeah, exactly. Um you know what I think, I think I think Marcus Smith the the the sin there is kind of the Aaron Curry as the famous example of you think that this is there there's no such thing as a safe player. Like if you're draft ing a guy who who doesn't have a lot of upside, but you're convincing yourself is is is like a guaranteed floor, there's no such thing as that. So is that like TJ Parker? Okay . Well, you see, I what I think is the big sin with the Marcus Smith pick, yeah, was the process that led to the selection. Because we 're people may remember that was the And because their draft board was itty bitty small. Uh you know, the guys got eliminated for one reason or another because they had very strict physical uh limit or like um uh thresholds and like zero tolerance for like any off-field stuff. So the board was super, super tight. And when the when they had that run of all those players go off the board, there was literally no one left and you couldn't trade out. So you had to make a pick. And you ended up picking a I think when Howie thinks about that miss, it is not about the player, it is about the draft room and the execution. And I I don't think there is any doubt that that specific experience and the embarrassment of that experience has fueled the way he runs drafts ever since. And it is why he is willing to pay a premium to move up a few spots to get a guy who they make sure that they like in the first round. Yep. Agreed. Yeah. Okay . How are you feeling? Nine days away. You're working on your seven rounder? I'm working on what about seven rounder. I'm at um I'm at pick 20. Actually, I'm writing up 29. Oh, okay. So give us who was on the board at 23. Should we clip this one too? Um Sure, we can clip it. Uh here's what I'll say. I don't have the Eagles picking at twenty-three. Oh okay, so they've up to I'm guessing I'm gonna make a guess. Let's each make a guess. Okay. Yeah. I'm guessing the Eagles have moved up to nineteen for Caden Proxy. Thought about nineteen. Thought about 19. Very close to 19. Didn't do 19. All right. I've got the Eagles moving up to 18 for Kenyon Sadiq. Kenyon Sadiq did go number 18 . But not to the Philadelphia Eagles. I think that Kevin O'Connor, I think the fact that there's no GM in place, I think that Minnesota's draft this year, it's a little it's a little weird. Yeah, I think that they are less likely to move. I think that uh I my guess is that they stick and pick there at eighteen. Yeah, I know what what do we got? All right, so uh let me just find a good like cutoff spot. All right, so Keldrick Fawk goes off the board at seventeen. Kenyon Sadiq goes off the board at 18. Casey Concepcion goes off the board at 19. What tackles are available? So Monroe Freeling is available . Um Maxi Honitor is available, TJ Parker's available, Omar Cooper Jr., Denzel Boston, Dylan. Oh, so Proctor has gone. Proctor is gone. Correct. Okay. Um so I have the Eagles moving up to number 20. For Freeling. I haven't taken Monroe Freeling, the left tackle from Jordan. Okay. That seems very trained with the Cowboys. Very personal. Very very very personal. They did it back in twenty twenty one uh for the uh in the Devontae Smith, my uh Micah Parsons trade. Um the Cowboys have actually made a couple of trades, you know, in their in in in division, uh, you know, for the draft. But then also um they've traded they traded back the Sean Lee trade uh you know this was going back a little bit so the the Jerry Jones is not like saying like oh yeah I would never trade with the Eagles Nor should you draft weekend yeah that's that's silly. Yeah. Okay. Now um one thing to keep in mind, I think as we uh as we enter the draft and the moves and how he might make, uh I was talking to Jimmy Kemsky about this before the press conference today. If you believe an AJ Brown trade is coming , the Eagles may be willing to and they you know they're gonna get a third round comp pick for the Jalen Phillips deal , the Eagles might be willing to dip into their 2027 draft coffers more readily than they would in a normal year. You know, if you think you're getting a one and something else for AJ . You're gonna have two ones next year. You know what? If I can use next year's second to get a player I really love, yeah, let's do it. Like that, that makes a lot of sense to me. And thinking about trades too on the trademark, I actually uh I actually think, especially off conversations I've had the last couple of days, I think the trade market in the in the first and second round could be a little bit more active than what I thought. And I do think it'll probably be more of a um I guess you would call it like a buyer's market, like benefiting the teams that are trying to trade up. I think that the asking price won't be as high. Uh and so I think that you know kind of throw your trade value charts and expect a little bit less in return for moving back. And I think teams might be okay with that. So that's that's something that I'm kind of keeping my my uh antenna up for as well. Okay. Uh some super chats to get to . We start with fresh prints. I thought Howie's response to the question about the Jalen articles was perfect until he said that's what sells. That came this came from people in the in their building. I think that's a fair that's a fair read on it. Good observation. I appreciate the the uh insight there, Fresh Prince, and the contribution. From JR player, EJ, what position did you play in football? Um I played uh quarterback actually until my freshman year. Um when they were no, sorry, I played quarterback on the freshman team. They moved me to offensive line my sophomore year. My dad very callously says that I ate my way out of the position. I mean, it's fine. It's true. Um, I was an okay tackle. I was actually I did I was a decent quarterback, a lefty. Okay