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Hello, everyone and welcome back to PSC. It's 897 and it's the 25th of May and it's sweltering and Joe and I are joined today by Mark Moken. Hello Mar, k. Hello, Ted, and hello Joe. Great to be back. Good to have you back. Yeah. How long has it been since you since you've been on? I can't remember now. Was it was it was it Janu was it January? January and then you checked back and then you were like Mark it was like two years ago you were on um but I thought Let me have a look. Down the down the bottom of our recording notes I've got all the shows since Joe and I were were on our own. Here we go. January the nineteenth. Oh there you go. I was embarrassed the last time, Joe, you know. And Joe, um how are you, sir? Sweltering? Yeah, I shouldn't complain 'cause I do like the c hot weather usually but um I got a bit red yesterday in the garden so I am absolutely sweltering, yeah. Oh dear. Well perhaps we'll um have a shorter show and skip off out of it to s plunge into the sea somewhere. Anyone near the sea? You're you're not near the sea. I'm near the sea. Are you near the sea, Mark? Um well so I'm up in Clay B ank, so um I uh you know I'm not far from the Clyde. Um but I don't I'm not quite sure I would recommend a dive in that you know it 's probably not. Okay, phone show chat you.uk is our website where you'll find links to all the stuff we're going to talk about today. Don't forget it's got two S's in the middle. Um TedSalmon.com is the best place to go for everything else really, all our Mi We groups and audio podcasts. Um and Podhub UK is where it all hubs out with Steve Lichfield of course. Um so um I'm not sure if we did we were doing it this way when you were last on, uh Mark, but today um and s for the last few times we've launched straight into Guest Scala and we've given them an open forum and let them get on with it and then we'll see where it leads and if we haven't got time for our stuff afterwards then no big deal we'll put in an extra show or we'll ignore it um because w everyone will be much more interested to hear from you. So Mark, take it away. What do you want to bring to the show and what should we talk about? Well, I I was going to I was going to give you guys a wee update on what device or devices that I was rocking now. I think the last time when I was on I had the S twenty five Ultra and obviously as you guys know the camera is a big thing for me there. you know, the galaxies for for years. But anyway, after Joe, and I'm blaming this one on you, Joe, um, you know, your review of the Honor Magic 8 Pro um I decided to to to give that a go and uh all I'll say is Joe you were absolutely right about this phone uh has been um fantastic and after a few months you know I can say um I'm still really really um impressed across the board. Build quality, excellent performance, excellent obviously you guys will be aware that it's rocking that the Snapdragon um eight elite gen five, um which is uh non stop. I don't think I've seen one blip uh on it at all. Um and again that six two hundred and seventy milliamp hour silicon carbon battery has been um absolutely excellent, even though it is smaller than the you know the the seven thousand uh one um you can get in some of the other variants. Camera uh overall that has been absolutely fantastic um you know and in a minute I'll just touch on some some pros and cons , uh the camera, but it's been really, really good and I've had it in loads of different environments which I'll run over in a minute. Um but it's been absolutely, absolutely fantastic and what a good shout, Joe, definitely Well I'm glad you liked it because um you put a review out and say it's one of the best flagships for 2026. That's a big statement, isn't it? So Yeah, yeah. Um I'm a big fan of this device. Uh the only reason my sim isn't in it more often is the fact that it doesn't fold um otherwise it'd be in there all the time 'cause I I love it . The um the the the Magic Eight Pro we talked about before because it they they've reduced the size slightly, haven't they, Joe? Um which is actually quite pleasing in the hand and better than the Magic Seven Pro. Um not a lot, but that little bit just makes a a bit of a difference, doesn't it? Um I'd be I'd be interested to know if they've done the same as I found with your V5 and with the um funnily enough, not with my 400 Pro, but with the Magic eight lights they taken away the always on display and even when the always on display is supposed to work it uh invariably I'd look across to the room to it and it was off and they just don't do it very well. I think we'll come to some of the reasons why that might be as we go forward. Um and and the other thing is the all the Apple copying crap, you know, I it just so annoys me. So again, I'll be keen to hear from you, Mark, as to how you feel about that and whether it's spoiling your experience. I've leaked from the 400 Pro being my phone of the year last year to being it really of little interest to me now because of of of those um uh that that feature really. Uh so yeah. I uh I'm just I'm just a bit disappointed with honor um on quite a few levels um having been enthusiastic to begin with . Yeah, I must say Ted um I'm a bit disappointed with your experience with the V five because I never experienced it coming off but then I don't check Yeah, yeah, I'm surprised now was like and say for the Magic 8 Pro, you know, and obvious it's flagship as well. And I I know you know anyway has got no problem with the the always on display, it's it's it's spot on. Um one thing I would maybe say is um it would be good to have some options no how maybe make that a bit dull now for at night time if it's in your room 'cause I was using it as a clock and I did that with um the Samsungs and that as well. But it's just I I find it's just that bit too bright um you know uh at times. So that's that would be one of my gripes if if if anything. But but otherwise there's nothing in the settings to tone it down. No, uh no and I've been in a few times and that's I was just I was waiting for the latest um the latest patch um to see if anything had changed there 'cause I I'd seen in the forums, you know, a a few people saying it would be good to have some options there and how to turn it down because it's uh does it's perfect. I mean there's uh does what and always on display always does but it's just that bit too bright for a dark room you know and um and I know that in some of the other phones that I've used over the years you know you've been able to you know crank that down a wee bit at night um you know, it just makes it a wee bit more tolerable and certainly good if you're los using it as a clock like I do it um at night. Sure . Mm-hmm. Okay. Um Yeah, yeah so that's in Joe, and that's a good point. I should call that out. That's a workaround, you can do that. If you turn it on its side, it's got that app, can't remember the name of it right now, but um it's got uh an app that kicks in um and it will display any clock choosing of your of your choice and there actually is a clock there um that that is is actually duller um than the the you know the default always on display. So that that could be a work around definitely for it. And it's very very Apple esque isn't it Joe? You know it's just a copy of it really. That's fine because that that sideways clock thing is really good. Um I was watching Joe um Flossy last night reviewing or opening uh unboxing and first impressions of the the razor fold and I was surprised 'cause he found the same thing in that. If you put it into tent mode you can get the exact same thing. And I've tried that I've tried to find that on the signature and that is not working. So that's a a Motroller folding thing. Um and obviously everyone's jumping on the bandwagon with that . Yeah. It makes sense . It's a good feature. Yeah, yeah, definitely. Yep. Yeah. Beautiful. Okay . So what I've done guys then so I've I've I I've called out a couple of pros and cons, um just on the phone, starting with pros and the positives. You know, like I said a minute ago, the camera system. Um uh I I th I I it's just it's like a great all round shooter, you know, and I know people say that all the time but what I mean with that is it's just it's one of those you know, if there's trust in it. I've got trust that no matter, you know, kinda the shot that I take that I you know it's not gonna be an important shot, you know, someone's buffy blown out a cake, you know, and I take a couple of shots and they're all bloody, you know, it's it's really I find it really reliable. Um you know, there's a couple of occasions, you know, what I will say in an indoor shot where where it's it's it's churned out a a bloody photo. But what I will say and in my use use case it's always because usually I've got kids, you know, they're moving about, they don't know, they just don't stay still and sometimes we've been doing some pet shots as well, you know, and the cat who doesn't understand to stay still, you know, that sort of thing. So that's that's kind of my use case. But like I said, nine point nine times out of ten, it's and a solid performer and um it's it's really great having that, you know, and as you heard me saying before when I was on before just about the the Samsungs, um there was just a degree of just th there was just too much uh there was not a lot of trust there sometimes with the Samsung'cause there was a lot of bloody effects. Um certainly last time when I was on when um you know Steve was on the show as well, Ted and we were talking about it and it's definitely you know um uh you couldn't rely on that as much but this camera I definitely it's it' its's way up there. Outdoor shots wise, always impressive. Uh you know, um and and that's across three lenses that that that it's got on it. It's got that fifty megap ixel uh main sensor and then the two hundred megapixel periscope, teleph uh telephoto lens, sorry, and uh and then the ultra wide lens and that's a that's a fifty megapixel lens on that um as well. But it's good I would say across the board and all three of them. And you know, it doesn't matter the scenario outdoor. I I haven't seen any bloody effects or anything um that you know I would say is a uh is a negative, it's pretty much always positive. So I couldn't even find a problem. I was having a quick look through earlier to see if I could um you know pick some issues out. Three times seven times optical zoom with um an uh a one over one point four inch um sensor f two two point six on two hundred megapixels so I I I guess it should be good. I think you mentioned that before Joe didn't you yeah it's it's fantastic um in even in low light is pretty decent. It has um C PA five point five stabilisation rating as well, um which is really great . Yeah, that's that's like a a rating from a camera, isn't it? Um Yeah. Joe. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So so I so what I'm saying is basically outdoors, outdoor wise you've got you get no problems at all there. From any of the any any of the lenses that you use, um you're guaranteed a good shot . Jumping into build, um again I 'd say I mean I've I've looked over this thing, you know, uh it's in a case, but what I'd say is uh definitely a hundred percent it feels really, really premium to me. Um I know it's a wee bit different from some of the other flagships out there because it's got that reinforced plastic back you know that uh I think it's a fibre reinforced plastic back, you know, but it's it seems mint to me, you know, and I would definitely I mean I I would have no, you know, issues um getting any other phone with that with that on the back as well. The way I see it is it just makes it that bit more um durable and it it certainly doesn't look like plastic. It's really, really good. I like the rounded corners, Mark. Um my um four hundred my four hundred pro has got those rounded corners, but the the trend seems to be going towards making them kind of squarer, whereas um on uh with the 600 and 600 pro as well they've made them kind of more rounded so again the handling for that i is pretty good the only thing that I don't like is the great big lump of the camera circle on the back. Yeah. See it's worth it though for for what it does, but I get that definitely. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I mean I I I actually don't mind it now, um I think 'cause obviously you know I I I really like the pixel phones and I and I think, you know, obviously that visor became a feature, you know, and I and I and I I I don't mind uh um looking at this, you know, um on the honour. Um but yeah, I definitely don't one thing I just just when you're talking about the curves and that uh you know there's one thing that it's got that maybe don't like as much and that's that curved um glass. Um Joe, I don't know about you thought of that, but I I've just in in my mind now there's been no problem it 'cause it's in a case anyway, right? And um it's nice it's nice and smooth on your thumbs and you're you know you're swiping back back forward over it and that's fine. Um but I don't know, there's just something in my head that says at one point I'm going to damage this because because it's protruding, you know. Um but anyway. Yeah, I hear that. There's there's pros and cons, isn't there? 'Cause it's it's fantastic for gestures. Um and like you say, when it is in the case it's it's hardly noticeable that there's a curve there. Um but yeah there is there is that little fear isn't there. Um and you and it's difficult to get a screen protector for it as well. Yeahah, ye, it's great that they put a they they actually put a a factory installed screen protector on it. I mean I thought I thought that was a a great and I thought I I you know I was thinking you're great that after two months this is probably going to end up looking terrible but it's it's still looking spot on. I can't see any marks in it, no bubbles or anything. In fact it's really hard to see the edges on it, you know. So Yeah they are good. Ted does Ted's not a fan of the factory one so no I'm not a f I'm not a fan of anything that gets between my finger and the glass. I I always take them off if I possibly can. I don't like them and I it's just a a a thing of mine. But I do like the edges of the screen on my four hundred pros. I think it's one of the the best things about it. Yeah, okay. The case that comes with i it it was actually supplied with a case the four hundred pro um and it seems to work really well with it. The only um edge that's exposed is the bottom one really, um in terms of risk of damage. Um but the bottom one being exposed is so good for gestures like Joe said. Um it's just i i it the the handling on the four hundred pro is really nice and I wouldn't um want to lose that curved screen now. And Mate Railroad are doing this as well now. You know they're they they're' theyre're into this kind of um uh curve thing, quad curving, and I think it's really classy and because I'm not bothered about a case I suppose I I don't really care about it. I I I I re Okay . Um so moving on then con taining the trend of the the positives um uh it's got three D face unlock um and Joe, I know you mentioned this. Um it I mean for me actually I thought I'm I'm fine with a fingerprint reader. Um not that bored about it. But you know what, see having it back. I never know how much I've missed it. Um I really, really like it and I I like the the fact that you've got the option, you know, of of using the fingerprint or the face unlock any time um and it works perfectly. So does that does that does that work with banking like an iPhone does? Yeah, yeah, it does Ted and that's that's great as well. Even in the dark. Even in the dark, because obviously what is it, Joe projecting those like photons and you know you've got all of that and um you know just the same way as the the you know the Apple do it doesn't depend on the bank. As far as I know baking it into their code. No no because I think I mean I could be wrong here, but didn't Google do a change to make it, you know, as long as it passed the security and you know that you could use anything on device and you didn't you didn't have to? Okay. Um I I I think I think that was the case. But what I would say here is um I'm I'm we I've got a few banks and and one of them um and I call it the the bank bank that time forgot basically nationwide. Um you know and they they work uh works totally fine with them, you know, which is which is good. Um you know, and if it works with them then it will definitely work with anybody. But it's been really, really good and like I said, uh you know, a pleasant surprise having it back and I'm actually thinking now, um I really hope they don't they don't they don't take this away , you know, and actually more more manufacturers jump in the bandwagon here, you know, and and and uh give us the option. Mm-hmm. Yeah, that's that's a good point 'cause I'd be devastated and I I agree. I don't know why others aren't doing this. Um it's it's good that you got best of both worlds though. You've got the still got the fingerprint scanner if you want. But yeah, the face it's not a presume it's already unlocked. Pr presumably it's because it costs more to to put the hardware in Yeah I guess so. Um but how much does it cost? I don't know. No. I I r I remember in the I d I don't think it's that much and I remember in the early days um and you know how like obviously Apple they just decided they were doing it and they did it across the board and that was that. Um but I think I think the mistake made by Google at the time uh was when they implemented it they didn't make it mandatory. You know, so you only you only had um the nexus line, was it the the one of the nexuses was the the first one if it wasn't it? Pixel four was it the the uh was that the next is it the Pixel 4? Project Soli. Yeah. The the Pixel four had the the the LiDAR solar thingy, didn't it? Mm-hmm. Right. I can't remember the first one, but but they didn't make it mandatory and I think I you know, I I think it was a a mistake across the board, you know. It should have been the way it is the now 'cause it looks as if it's baked in now and as long as it's um be certified, you know, as obviously, you know, banking grade or whatever way you want whatever the certification's called, you know, then then you've got the choice of using it. thing about the the the ad additional cost might be the s similar to the the qi charging thing, whereas we know how cheaply you can buy a third party chi charging coil and yet manufacturers for of phones seem to be using that as a a a flagship buying thing for people. Leaving leaving it off purposely so that they only put it on the higher end models. So you've got to buy it. When when actually it's it's what a dollar two dollars probably to put it put it in. So maybe the three D face unlock thingy is the same. I guess the other thing is that it does take up a bit more screen real estate, doesn't it? Um to have a a pill um drop in there instead of a little pole punch. So maybe that puts puts some people off um at least in Yeah, yeah, that's right, Joe. And you know, and if that that is a consideration of people people do you know, do do you remember the the pixel one the head of bucket? I think um was it Steve that was calling it a bucket or was it yourself, Ted? Um but you know it's not as bad as that. Um I actually don't uh I don't mind it at all um and I certainly would not want to lose it to lose the Oh yeah, the bu I'm I'm with you now, I remember. The bucket the bucket was the um the the early iPhones that had that huge cutout, wasn't it? Yeah, yeah, well um I think I think the iPhone started and then then I think Google copied it, but they they instead of um they they went they went um one up on on Apple and they their one their their uh their their cutout was basically like a bucket. And one of you guys was shout calling that out, calling it a bucket. But um it's certain it's certainly nowhere near a bucket. It's just a a small pill. So actually I would say it's even better than the iPhone, to be honest. It looks even smaller, I think. At some points, you know. So it's it's totally fine. But anyway, great to have it back. I I really I really did miss it as it turns out and I I didn't know was going to miss it . Continuing on the positives then the batteries you heard me doing in that brief summary at the beginning again, you know, that sixty two hundred and seventy milliamp hour silicon carbon battery brilliant and it's a real welcome addition to see some extra battery life getting thrown in there. Um you know, and I think it's that sort of thing really shows like Samsung and Apple up here, you know, the fact um you know that these these these Chinese brands are really going at it, you know, um with the silicon carbon batteries, you know, and uh pushing the envelope there 'cause you definitely need it and plus it's brilliant to have that, you know, the the dreaded battery fe The life usage, you know, so a few weeks about uh back um we did an early morning um photo shoot in in Glasgow on the bikes. Um so basically it was up at four thirty in the morning. Uh yeah, yeah. I posted a couple of pictures on on on the on the PSC photos. Uh basically one of a a street in it's like there's like no cars, it's in the dark and uh so that was like five in the morning or something. But anyway up at it was up at four thirty and then into Glasgow for five for for sunrise, uh turned that that we missed the sun uh because there was loads of clouds everywhere so that was that was scuppered. But anyway we took loads of pictures all the way through the da y, um we were running some Google Maps on it as well, and that was on and off for a few hours. Uploaded loads of pics to WhatsApp, took some calls, um but basically really hammered it. I mean the it was out constantly. Headed home about five um still had over sixty percent left in the tank and then sat about f I know and sat about for a while , edited some some of those pictures as well, um, and went to bed about eleven. And I'm not joking guys, it was just it was just dropping below fifty percent. Cool. That that is that's how good it is. Mm-hmm. Um and th there's gotta come a time when Samsung and uh Co get with the program and start doing this. Otherwise they're just gonna be lagging behind, aren't they? I I don't know how long they can just drag their heels on it and um still you know, not have people compinglain about the fact that their friend's phone works much better and longer and blah blah blah. Um we we are up against the Europe an r legislation though about battery sizes. Like you said earlier, aren't we? Um which is really annoying. Particularly as we're not in Europe . Yeah. Yeah, I was thinking that myself and that's why we've got that s we we don't have the seven thousand milliamp hour one um which I know I scratching my head about that one. You know, obviously they've just released that European variant and that's that's a stuck with that as well. I suppose we could have you could I mean you could just order any variant you want, can't you? We're we're quite lucky here we can we can get anything in the UK really, you know, if we wanted it. Import it. Yeah, but th that you got downsides doing that as well. Um yeah, I I'm I like I like these big batteries. Um and I and I think that's a a great thing. I'm just a bit disappointed that the signatures um not uh up there with them. I think Joe you concluded that that was because it was so thin, didn't you? Yeah, I I think I would have taken it a bit thicker, um before a bigger battery. Someone's chucked a picture in here. What's that? I think that's the Glasgow picture you're talking about, Mark. Uh that that's it, Joe, and that so that picture is uh a picture I posted out of the West End in Glasgow and for anyone who knows the West End of Glasgow it's always really really, busy. Um and that street was always at five AM. No, no at five EM. Uh fact there we still we still seen some people coming back from like, you know, parties and stuff like that, you know. But anyway , you know it was through the vulgar shine. Yeah, there there was only a few people we seen that looked as if they'd just come back from something. But anyway, it was uh it was it was but I mean basically the reason why we do these these early morning shots and and most people will know this but it's th the environment is a completely different space at that time in the morning. Um one there's no people about, there's very little cars, um but the the lights and stuff like that the and the just the way you can capture things it's just completely different so that's why we make the effort to do these really early shots but um yeah it's really interesting standing in that road which is normally like I said really, really busy and there's a carn site. overview of like a a day in the life with the battery because it's all it's all it's very easy isn't it just going and saying no the battery's fantastic and blah blah blah but you know but but that I think that does show its strengths. You know, hours are are maps, hours are taking pictures and you know pick taking pictures is really can be quite intense on the on the battery, certainly when you y y you keep going at it um for hours like we did, you know. So I was I was really, really impressed and it for me I think um with any phone I'm one of these people see if I'm going to like a wedding or something like that. I'm not one of these people who would be wanting to take a charger or anything like that. You know, I want to make sure that whatever device I've got in my pocket, it could definitely it could definitely last a day, you know, and into the night and I I've got no battery fear in this tic tac box twice for me. Cool. So really really good. So important it's really important isn't it for you for especially events like that, you you want it to last . Just quickly with regards to the odd blurry image, because I've experienced this with all phones, um, including this one, um with moving subjects, do you ever stick on the motion sensor capture thing on? Uh I always forget myself . Joe, I I forget as well. And then but then there has been times um where I've gone, oh and I've put it on and then I've taken a picture and it's been totally fine and I'm saying to myself Is is that better because I've switched that on or is it better now because I'm I'm making sure that I'm not shaking that about and I'm standing still and you know you know, that sort of thing, you know, and and then I forget again. Um you know, so yeah, maybe maybe as well, maybe I should really just stick that on and tell it in the sentence to remember that forever um and see to see if that helps 'cause actually that's a g uh a good shout actually to go back over that and and see if I notice anything. Remind us what that does, Joe . So it it it notices when there's motion in the image. Um I'm guessing it takes extra shots, I'm I'm not sure. Um but it's it's meant to stop the blurriness basically. Um 'cause it can it can capture shots you can ever make it capture shots automatically as well, so take more than one shot . So I think so it's one of the maybe it's it's stacking them as it Yeah, 'cause um I think who was it? Tom the Tech chap. It was on the actually the seven Pro, uh maybe even the six pro. But he was he was showing himself jumping in the air um and it was taking shots of him jumping in the air. Right. Uh it it it realised there was motion and started taking shots. Okay. Okay. Yeah. I haven't used it much. I I I just always forget it's there. And actually the camera UI has changed recently 'cause it used to be uh pop up on the screen in the bottom left hand corner, whereas now I find it's in the settings. Um so that's another reason why I forget. Okay . Right, so on to the cons, Mark. Yeah, so the cons uh there's not many but you b th obviously we need we need to call some of these these things out to give us some balance as well. So the first thing that I noticed and this that happened in the first week once I'd set up Google Pay on it and I went to pay and that was fine and then went to pay for something else and it was like nothing . The terminal wasn't detecting anything. So I'm right what's going on here then? So anyway, the usual stuff. But quick look on the forums and sure enough it was all over the forums basically. You know, um that that NFC wasn't working right, um, you know, and people say all these different things and explanations and all the rest of it. Um you know as it turned out the solution was basically to switch off NFC and then turn it back on again. The usual IT stuff, isn't it? On and off. Um Yeah. But it but it totally worked. It totally worked. But the only thing is it would it would only work for the next transaction and then so see if you so see if you meant to pay for something how you're out were we're out for lunch or we're out whatever it was, you know, and we go up and buy drinks and uh you know, pay then I uh when I went to pay again ye,ah I would need to switch off NFC and and uh on and off again. So what I did is I just put NFC in the now the drop down tab. Yeah uh uh that so as it was handy and I could do it quite. Or just or just or or just leave it off permanently and then just turn it on when you Turn it on before. Yeah, that would be another one. I know, I know. But it's object, doesn't it? Of having the convenience of NFC payment though. frustrating that um I thankfully haven't experienced that but um evidently if there's people on forums other people have so that's that's not good. Yeah yeah it was it was there was a lot a lot of people a lot of people going on about it um and like I said, it it didn't take long, I mean, for me to work out that definitely if I could switch it on and off then I realised 'cause a lot of people were saying, you know, look this is, you know, basically aggressive task killing uh by honour, you know, um and that's that that is what was good what was going on. Um but obviously I'm like thinking to myself, well this is a bit of a pain, you know, I'm I'm gonna need to work out a solution for this. But so I contacted on her 'cause I'm thinking, well do I need to be sending this back because I obviously I c I can't have a phone where I'm you know I'm switching NFC on or not, but obviously in the back of my mind I'm thinking that come on, this is an easy fix, surely somebody must be on this. But anyway, so I contacted on her um you know and um basically to see if there was something in the pipe the pipeline that they could tell me and everything was fine and I could relax about it and just limp by with it the now and then deal with later. Um but oh I don't know, Joe, have you ever contacted the owner uh the honour support . Uh I mean they were perfectly fine and they were really responsive, but they started saying stuff like, right, send us the event logs and all that, which is totally fine, I totally get that and I'm like great pound all that over. Um some other stuff And then Joe uh they started asking me, Hey, can you can you film yourself using the phone and going to pay for something ? I'm like I'm like, right, hold on a second. You want someone to film me, going to pay for something uh you know, and then and then what you do is send us the event logs, that's what they were sent to me. And I'm like, Well, I don't need to get somebody to film me to do that. I can just tell you um when I went to pay for something, the time and then you can look in the event log at that time and then you'll see. You know, uh but they kept getting on about this film and and stuff, um and in the end, um I I just decided I was look I went back and I was quite abrupt with them, you know, I said, Guys, I'm sorry, but this is a known issue by honour, you know about it. Um I'm only asking when the when this is going to be the fix is going to be in the pipeline and honestly they come back they come back in twenty minutes and he goes, Yeah, you're absolutely right and uh the fix will be issued at the end of the month So what was all that run around filming? I I don't I don't I don't know. I don't I I've got no idea what I think. It seems to be it seems to be a thing at the moment. I remember when I was um uh contacting anchor support to get a replacement um powerhouse battery and they made me do the same thing. They made me take a video of it doing what it was doing wrong. And they would not pro ceed. I mean they were really, really good, like a bit like honour, but they insisted on having a video. It just seems to be Yeah, maybe proof of not using it wrong. Yeah, yeah, that could be that could be a thing. You know, and maybe these guys are dealing with a high vote, but I mean come on. I think by this point, and it's not as if NF NFC payments just dropped, you know, last year or something, you know, with a long time of this. Um and it was it was it was really frustrating, but I like I said, I was I was more firm with them when I went back and they just they just back . So end of end of the month is is that end of May? Yeah, no, this was this was a couple of months ago. Oh right. Um Ted. So yeah, sure enough to their word, um the the next patch came out and it was fixed it was fixed in it yep yep yep so totally fixed good um no no problem at all. I mean it's not the end of the world right but you know you don't want to keep having to do that, you know, to to just do a simple thing like pain, it's a it's a bit annoying. Um and I knew like I said, I knew I knew I did I d the last thing I wanted to do was send this thing back because I was really impressed right from the get go so I thought I really want to keep this but that is really annoying. So I need to know I need to know from them that they're on it, you know, and the they they're on a fix for it. So any as much as I'm an on a fan, I I think a phone shouldn't launch with that type of issue. That's that's something should have been ironed out long before launch. Um that's really, really disappointing. It's a bit of a blinder, and it's one of the key features of any of the smartphones these days, isn't it? Sorry, go on, Joe. No, I was just saying we was talking on PSC about some people don't even bring wallets anymore, do they? Uh so they rely on on their payments on their phones. Having said that, um you could argue that from Honor's point of view, or any OEM, if they're trying to streamline their software, you don't actually need NFC to be on all the time because the times you use it are few and far between. So if they can save some battery by doing that, not that they need to with a battery like that, but um y you can see why they might want to be trying to do that, to say to people, well turn it on when you want to use it, you know. But the the same possibly the same is true of Bluetooth as well, isn't it? You know I I I guess we use Bluetooth much more frequently than we do NFC, but even so, don't know. Mm-hmm. Yeah, you know. See for someone like me, I think I think that would probably work, Ted, because you know, I I pretty much just I just use it to pay for things. You know, and the way I like to do it is I'll always, you know, do the double tap and and launch uh Google Google Pay. But however like see like a lot of folk like certainly like you know let 's use London as an example, a lot of people who have got their their tube tickets and all that on it, they don't do anything like that I've noticed some people just do the tap, don't they? You know, they just go out and tap their phone so that that wouldn't work for them because obviously then NFC would be switched off. So it's a it's a good idea but I think there is maybe a small use case there for maybe twenty five percent. How about how about um NFC turns on when you open wallet. for that then it might not work for that but anyway. It was a small thing but an an annoying thing, you know, and thinking well anyway, all fixed, all resolved to find out from some um knowledgeable person how much um battery having NFC turned on all the time actually uses. We did actually look into that y d some time ago with Bluetooth and it turns out that Bluetooth is very negligible, particularly with the LE bluetooth that came in, um which is exactly what it was for. But I don't think we've ever considered NFC . Yeah, and it's supposed to be I mean I'm pretty sure back in the day it's supposed to be a a a low juice sort of thing, you know, it doesn't it doesn't use a lot. I I mean uh from memory, but I mean yeah, I think you look into it in more detail. But um I think across the board what I was going to say was across the board we we honor, you know, they do have some aggressive task killing um set up in there. That's just how they do it. And yeah, you know what, but but for n ninety five percent of the time I totally agree with what they're doing, you know, like locking down stuff you and've got you've got the the other option as well you know you can go into the app and tell it to manage manage it yourself now how manage the power consumption pretty sure they put that in there as well so you can you can do that as well that's another way to to say right just leave this app alone. And um something that I noticed just recently and this is um and I'll come on to it later on, I got the the Huawei G T six Pro watch um you know and um it's been constantly jumping up and saying, Hey, this this app's using a lot of your power. Do you want us to turn it off? You know, obviously I don't want them to turn it off 'cause I need them need to get alerts if there's any health alerts or whatever. But um as an example, a aonor being really, really on that power consumption and of course that's important to a lot of people. Um but obviously if they cross the the line and make it unusable then that is that is going to seriously over time wind a lot of people up, isn't it? Yeah . Um moving moving down my my coins list and and like I said it, you know, this list is not um it's not not a serious list by any means of the phone overall is this fantastic, but the other be one that was annoying me and you might laugh at this one was the screen size. And er now I know it's already got a big screen, um but you know it just what is it, six point seven one or something? You know, but it's it there's something I uh it's uh it's just enough that it's kinda annoying me a little bit coming from you know how like an S twenty five Ultra um just with those sharper corners and stuff like that. I feel that I've lost some real estate there. Um but again, I think it's just me probably being a bit pernicity there, um to be honest. I I th I big for the I I I don't particularly go for big phones and so when I use a uh S twenty whatever ultra of Samsung, I f I think it's too big. I think that the motor signature's too big for me I'd much rather have a smalling phone. But um yeah, leaping about from one to the other. And given that the Magic Seven Pro was a bit bigger as well, doesn't probably help your c your quest. Yeah, yeah, no, I know, and I remember Joe saying that as well, you know, about uh the the magic seven being uh having uh the a bigger size screen. But to be honest, this one is just like I said, it's just a minor gripe and you know, and n uh just now and again when I glance at it I'm like that is definitely uh you know, I'm I'm noticing it, you know. But anyway, like I said, I think I'm just being punicky and when I was halfway through saying that, Ted, I knew you were going to jump on and moan about that but the size of the screen. It is a it is a big screen and it's a good screen um you know, so so nothing nothing really uh b be going on about that. It's a funny one for me 'cause it's a pro for me. I think it's the perfect size. But I also do get where you're coming from um because having getting used to using bigger screens like you have, I do find the odd time you are finding wanting. Um and I guess that's why I like the folds 'cause bam, you open it up and you've got an even bigger screen. So um yeah, I think that's that's where the folds are for me are perfect. Um I I need like an eight pro that folds. Uh I guess that's what the V six is. And and Joe, I am ready, I am so getting ready for a foldable myself, I have to say I've I'm really talking my myself into it and I think it's just you know, and it could be it could end up it could end up being a V six or something, you know, maybe um I'm definitely I'm definitely going that way as well. One of the things that I should say there just about that screen size is um I obviously I struggle a wee bit to see things kind of close up, so I've been putting the text size up a bit. Um and I noticed now and again now how the UI looks a bit funny, you know, how things are like cut kind of cut off and on it and it's line and stuff. You know, so maybe maybe it's just that as well um that's kinda adding to it. You've mentioned that as well before, Ted, haven't you, where things are placed in strange pla ces and um like the thing on the always on display is it always on display or the lock screen? Um it's to one side, isn't it? put your um well you put your um signature not your signature your your message on the lock screen um go and the always on display screen. Um unless you measure spaces before you want to put your stuff there. It left aligns it instead of putting it in the middle. It's just nonsense. Um now to be fair I haven't checked that for a while with various updates that come through. Maybe they fix that, but be worth trying that both of you um yeah now that you've got the these these flagships. But I always put my email address down the bottom there. Um so maybe you should emulate that and see if it goes in the middle yet. Yeah, I'll have to check that out. I've got the eight pro here, so yeah, I'll check that out. That's my homework. But there's also yeah I think you're right, Mark, there's also um on various phones the the whole Zoom and font size and the screen size and the the the the number of icons across by you know the grid size um all of those things have an impact and and I'm constantly playing with that to because I get the same as you, you get um wrapping of text uh um stupidly one character on the next line down and you think this is just rubbish. Um the the the Sony um exper ia uh twenty one nine screen is particularly bad for this um because it's narrower um and taller. I it I'm forever tinkering with that to try and make it look Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely. Definitely. Maybe the curve as well on the screen, potentially at the edges. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Or like I said, it could just be me. And I and I think it it might be, you know, like I said, I'm just so used to I think just that extra bit of screen real estate um that it's maybe winding me up a wee bit, but it's it it really is it's a minor concern um to be honest. The last thing um in the cons list and and and this is one that has been around for a long time um n and this is not just for Chinese phones as well, but the updates as well. Now everything's been fine now, the monthly the monthly updates have been churning out totally fine. However, when I've been on some of the forums and that you, know I',ve noticed um just the odd comment here and there, you know, people saying, you know, yeah, honor on our after after you're not get the the current model, you know, then they start dropping the the update schedule into every two months three, months and then into every quarter and stuff like that as well. So uh that's maybe going to be a wee bit um concerning for me down the line. But right now the the updates are coming in monthly as you would ex pect. Um as well. So I'm being concerned, you would have moved it on by then. Well d there is that, I know, I know. Maybe that would that would affect a normal person that it's not like buying and selling all the time. I know, I know. The cut off point there is if they start doing what motor owners do or have done in the past, which is um testing by usage on their servers, how many people are still using their phones. So whatever promise they've made of updates, they just you know um the the current um issue I've got is with the Thinkone ph, the original Think Phone, which they said would get um up to Android sixteen. It's still on fifteen, it's still getting monthly updates as per the deal with Microsoft. But sixteen, it's not arriving. And that's really um unusual for the device. And I think it goes back to what Mate Roller um had said in the past, which is um that we know how many people are using h what what phones and so we'll update the ones that are being used Um it's it's a finger up to all them people that are using it. So they're basically saying we know it's not we know not many people are using it, but some people are, but we don't care about them. No, th that absolutely. That that's that seems to be the from what I um discovered about Motroller. However, to be fair, you know Motrol ler um are changing, have changed, and perhaps they will not apply it'll be really interesting to see in six years time with the Motrodar signature what actually is going on with it and whether it's anywhere near up to date . Yeah. Yeah it would be interesting indeed. Yeah. But that is terrible. But I mean you know if the if they're looking on the servers they're saying, all right, okay, that's us, we're down to um we're last twenty thousand using that phone, so let's just not bother doing anything with it, even though we've promised, you know, that we're gonna give you we're we're gonna give you the latest versions of Android for the next, you know, three or four years. We'll just bin it at year two. I mean that's that's rubbish. Uh that they they make a commitment and they should stick to it and I think that just it brings the brand down, doesn't it? You know. Um and Mo Motorola's that's a Chinese company own that now, isn't it? Um Lenovo, Lenovo and the you know, I like Lenovo stuff um as well but, again that that sort of user commitment is is um that's not that's definitely not right. Yeah, and it hurts the uh I think it just really hurts the brand. You know, is you know how can you have uh you you you lose your customer loyalty there, don't you? And you treat them like that. You know the thing is though, it what's strange is people don't seem to care as much as we do, us uh tech guys. Um and I think that's why they get away with it. 'Cause um other people your usual regular person. I mean they don't even always look to do their updates. Um it's normally us tech guys that t help 'em out and tell 'em to do it. My wife, you know, she she just ignores the updates and ignores them, ignores them, ignores them, ignores them until it's like on her final warning. You know, like you need to update, you've not touched it you know, for for for over a year, you know, she just cancels everything. Yeah. That that that absolut that has absolutely happened. You know, she's been on that version where a major security flaw and um and she just ignored it and ignored it, ignored it, you know. So it's a big thing. But anyway, that's that's the end of my my kind of update on the on the on a uh a magic um April But I I I I I I seem to be like I said earlier, just seem to be put off of the whole honor thing at the moment. I need to be I need to get an honor phone that um ticks all the boxes again to get my confidence back. Yeah, yeah. I mean what I would say Ted is you you you could maybe I mean uh you could pick one of these up for cheap, you know, at some point 'cause the depreciation value is is quite high again, you know, so you know, you could you you know, another month or something you' probabdly get one of these for about five hundred quid or something. You know, I mean you know, so i i it it does open doors, um, you know, for you for you down the line if you want to give it a go. But you know, like I said, um great it's a great all render and that fantastic camera and battery life are really standout things for me. So You like the speakers, Ted, I reckon. Yeah. Yeah, I reckon you would. I didn't think the speakers on your V five were that um impressive. They they were good, but they were not as good as I had. Um the V five's not as not as good uh as as the eight pro that's something else I can look forward to then. I'll keep an eye on our lovely classifieds. Yep. Yeah, but I think we're all we're all thinking for I'm certainly thinking foldables now, um my head's on them but I just don't want to pay the money. Um you know but but again maybe the feat six have changed my mind. Um I'm still I'm still in the you know whenever I look at a foldable and they're like yeah it's going to be six hundred sixteen hundred or something you're like yeah but the battery's still like five thousand milliamp hours and uh and the camera by the way we're only giving you two of the lenses and it's not as good and you know, you're like what how how can you how can you sell that for that amount of money and and have so many drawbacks? You know, I just I c I'm still scratching my head at that but um maybe maybe we're just about to turn the corner there so Yeah, be interesting to see what Samsung gave us give us but um everyone else who does foldables including mot o, um giving us decent camera systems, decent battery life. So yeah. Let's see, Samsung are actually starting to to lose some market, I think um because their lack of updates um on hardware . Yeah and I mean I'm I'm struggling that and I was uh you know kinda alluding to it earlier but you know it's getting really difficult for them to keep bringing out phones and calling it an ultra, you know, and then you know you're still sitting with a five thousand milliamp hour battery, um and you're still sitting with the same rough cameras, but you know the yeah they've improved, you know, the you know, but you know still sitting with the same design, um you know, and just just things like that and then the the you know, the high price night you think, well w where if if it's going to be an ultra phone then really you should be really starting to crank it up. And I can't remember I can't remember who was talking about this, but I'm sure I I heard it in one of the shows. I can't remember it might have been Kev or something, Richard and Kev or or you guys, but I'd heard someone saying, you know, someone someone asked some something about the you know the silicon carbon batteries for example and the the guy kinda poo pooed it you know like oh no no they're they're not reliable or something he said some Samsung guy um I can't remember who that was but you know, and I'm thinking I'm sure I've heard some rumours already that they are doing silicon carbon, but it's a wee bit down the line, you know, maybe in the next generation, but uh I don't know . But anyway, my point is if you're paying fourteen hundred quid for a for a an ultra phone, it should have a an amazing battery in it with a high capacity. You know, definitely. And bleeding edge hardware for cameras, I think. Yeah, yeah, just go with it., you know Just go with it. And that's that's the feeling I always get when I'm I'm I'm using this, you know, the the Magic Eight Pro. I think honors just throwing everything at it, you know, and you're like, right, okay, go for it. We're gonna get some bits wrong here, but but there you go. How about how about something like a um Pixel Ninefold um second hand? Um you you actually we don't see many of those on the classifiers, do we? But I think people that have bought them hang on to them. But the battery life on those folds, I've got the original pixel fold, as you probably know, and the battery life is is staggeringly good. Really, really good. Um and um the speakers, going back to speakers Joe, um they're really, really good. They're significantly better than your V fives. Um so g um I I I've never ha I've never had a ninefold, um, a pixel ninefold , um but um or XL fold or whatever it's called. Um but it uh it might be worth considering if you want to have a toe in the water and not pay so much. Yeah, yeah, and you you you guys already know that I I like the pixel phones. The only reason I moved away from them is just those tensor chips. Yeah. Um you know, um I was noticing stutters and and that, you know, and I'm thinking I've just bought I just bought this for like, you know, a thousand quid and um and I'm sitting here with a processor that's kinda like from a phone from three years ago. You know, and I know that I know that Google does the optimisations and and all the rest of it um you know so that you don't notice that and and the steer is away from from you know the the steers more in the AI and all the s the Google smarts and all that but still you know, still annoying . You know, that's one of those things like that. Can't spend a thousand quad and get, you know, a processor from three years ago. I just can't you know. Yeah, I suppose so. I'm not I'm not that demanding really in terms of what you're using your phone for. Um but I I suppose you're right, you've got to expect a certain level of I'm just looking up on Kex C E X um a Pixel 10 Pro Fold um in A an A grade, this is two fifty six gigabytes, eight thirty-five. So if you found someone that was buying one, you could probably expect that to be more like about six hundred quid I would guess. Um particularly if it was a nine profold. Um and maybe B grade, because apparently B grades from C X are pretty much as good as A anyway. Yeah, deful. Defin. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Okay . Right, what's next? Oh, um another the watch, yeah. I put the watch in just uh you know just to just to cover that. Um so I again I I won't spend as much time on this one, but uh so basically uh just bought a Huawei GT six Pro. Um it's been uh it's been fantastic, you know you know. I was coming from a Garmin, I had a Garmin Venue uh four. Um again, you know that that was was good but really expensive you know and when I was looking at looking at it and I'm like do I really want to keep this you know because I I needed a new watch. I knew that you know because I I had um a Samsung Galaxy Watch before but obviously when I moved away from the twenty five uh uh the S twenty five then you know and I'm sure you guys are aware but Samsung watches then they don't like the A fib detection and all of that stops working and some of the other things you need to have a Samsung phone for that. So I'm like, right okay, so I'm gonna need to look at a new smartwatch. But anyway, I was looking at the venue for it looked great, got that, brilliant, but I'd paid a lot for it, and then and then I'm thinking uh you know looking at the features and stuff, I'm like I I just don't I don't see this marrying up, you know, with the costs of this. And then a couple of other things, see the UI I find that and um I know I know Gavin Gavin Gavin's into uh Garmin's in a big way and he's probably listening to this and he'll be you're not using it right but I found the the I found the UI really, really just it wasn't intuitive, you know, it's just there's things about it like try getting maps and stuff around and just click maps on it coming up. It was just it was weird anyway, it just slowly kinda grinded me down a wee bit and I I sent it back anyway. So then I was watching obviously on YouTube and you know how the way it is is with with the YouTubers, uh they all get something and everything's great. So I had the Huawei Fit Pro V and everybody's like, Oh that's fantastic, it's fantastic, and it was it was really really good good I got that um but again the problem with that is just it was just too small on my wrist, you know, it looked like a postage stamp. So um I had to send that back anyway. So I decided on the the GT series 'cause I'm looking at it with the size and stuff and I thought right okay let's let's let's go by that. But oof what a f what a watch. I am so impressed. Battery life now this is an important thing for a watch for me. I'm like I do not want to be charging the watch every night. That drives me round the bend, you know. Um but anyway this thing can go for about seventy ten days. With everything on. And I mean everything on um and in fact if you turn off the always on display it'll go for two weeks. Um you know, so it's really just really, really great in the bar department. It's got a lot of great tech, all the all the latest stuff, you know, heart rate stuff, constant twenty-four hour monitoring, uh oxygen levels in your blood, important as well, skin temperature, um and it's got the ECG which is important for me in the AFib detection. And an added bonus, it's got the uh arterial you know stiffness monitoring as well. I don't know if you've noticed that that's coming up a lot on some of the new watches as well. Um it's so really top notch sensors and and really really good um quality. So it's been a great all rounder. I would say it's got a sapphire crystal face and it's got a titanium case as well and it looks actually looks like a watch um which is a an added bonus. The app itself for using it I I think everything's clearly laid out. Few wee minor gripes would be you know, there's a few wee advertisements that kind of popping up a lot and they're wanting you to kind of pay for their their yearly subscription, which is a bit annoying. And a lot of the faces are behind the paywall, which I know that's norm for a lot of these things, but however, the way why we have done this is they've kinda got that in your face quite a lot, you know. So they you know So is this n is this where OS ? No, it's not where OS it's no no 'cause Huawei Huawei No it can't be because Huawei's banned. Um how do how do you how does it talk to other apps and uh does it only work with its own app? Yeah, yeah, only works it only works with the Wabi app on your on your phone. But it works with they've like obviously they can't use Google Maps, so they've they use Petal Maps, um which is powered by TomTom. Um and that's been totally fine. Um 'cause I thought the maps are going to be important as well. But also what you can do is you can download your now how like obviously I downloaded the UK map right away onto the phone so that's there and it's all built into the phone right away and like I said, really, really good. I mean the the the the GPS that it's got it's um what is it they call it? Is it is it called like flower or something? GPS anyway it's like the new the new style where you know it can pick up more more satellites and just but the way it's designed, you know, so it doesn't matter the position you've got the watch and all that, you know, it's accuracy is m is really really enhanced um which has been quite impressive and I gave it a go and it was I was I was pleasantly surprised. But um yeah, so it's been it so you can't install any apps on it. For example, if you wanted to get your Gmail on it. Yeah. Yeah. No, G but Gmail Gmail notifications do pop up Ted, you know, and they they they they do pop up in the watch, right, from your phone. Right. Um but but you can't you can't install those things on it. I mean I personally myself and that's why I I was like right and I I'd looked up that and I'm like thinking can I live with that and I looked at my use case. For me what's really important is having top notch ECG and you know the hard uh the A fibre detection and the arterial stuff. I thought that's really, really important, isn't it? You know, I have that. I thought I'm going I want that. I'll definitely want good battery life, um which is is it's it's off the chart. It's it's really, really good. And and then I I came back to it and I thought actually I'm not really that bothered about Wear OS because I I'm not really bothered that much, you know, about downloading loads of apps. I would never put Gmail on a watch or anything like that because I I'm not even sure I could see the words, you know, to to even you know I mean you've got to be honest, you know. I could maybe see the the subject, you know, and that would be it. Um so all of those things don't don't matter to me. What just matters is making sure that um it's got it's got really, really good sensors in it and and and it and it it definitely has Huawei have thrown the kitchen sink at it. Price so I Yeah I love I love Huawei and and I very nearly bought this watch on our Mi Wee Classifier group. Um uh one thing I at the time it didn't have um contactless payment, but I I I believe it's been added now via curve. Have you looked into that? Yeah, I did look at it and um I seen it was curved payment as well and um but again, Joe, this was one of the things I wasn't that bored about a hundred percent. Um now in the past when, I had the the galaxy watches, the one time in centre parts rings a bell. We're all in centre parts just in December last year, and uh you know, and I get stung for the barbell, you know, in the in the swimming pool. Uh you know, because I was the only one that could pay with my my watcher thought well I'm not I'm not that I'm not that bothered about getting that again. No I'm making a joke there but obviously it would be good to have and curve pay as an option. You can set it all up. I did have a quick look at it and I noticed one of the reviewers saying, Oh, you need to make curve curve pay your default payment app on your phone which I thought was a bit strange if you putting it then onto the watch but um I'd need to look that out and and and and check that out but anyway I wasn't that bored about it but it is an option now we we curve pay so you can put your card on it. What about the cards on what about the price mark? So the price, so um I got it for three hundred and sorry no it was uh two two hundred eighty. I think it was two hundred eighty on Amazon on one deal. And is that is that good in terms of com I don't know much about watches. You you Joe knows as well , compared to to buying a Samsung Galaxy, I don't know, very good. Right. Yeah. Because it's essentially is is like the ultra for Samsung and and Apple even. Right. Um and they are um looking at around a five hundred mark on your easy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, easy. And um if you compare it to like that Garmin uh Venue four, so that was three hundred and sixty or seventy, you know, so and and hit didn't have any of the arterial stuff um and uh uh it was lacking a few other things um as well because they're obviously try to push you then when you get to that that tier um for all the super duper functions are all in the Phoenix eight. But anyway so I mean for the money I I and Joe um I think I think you're saying the same as me but I thought it was outstanding for the money and just definitely the quality of those sensors really, really were standout features for me. Yeah, it's certainly one I've had my eye on and and you know what, it's it's only 'cause I've come to the conclusion that I I'm not that bothered by watches, that I haven't bothered doing it. Um like I don't need to need much on the watch. Like you say I don't bother with any apps. Um I'm not even that bothered about many notifications coming through. I've found that I just use it as a watch. So yeah, maybe I should just have a normal watch really. Yeah, and that's when I was thinking about it. That's why I was like, well what what what what would I need all those? What would I need to wear OS stuff for? You know I mean really but Google Maps would maybe be the one thing 'cause I like Google Maps 'cause I use it all the time. And then I thought, no actually I can pay pay less for this and plus with the Sapphire, see with the sapphire crystal screen and the made out of titanium, the build quality was just um top notch and that that battery is just phenomenal. And the main things for me is is definitely the health the health um you know sp uh merit stuff that it's got, you know, was that that was that was important. What I basically thought was if I'm going to have a heart attack or something, you know, it'd be good to maybe get the heads up that something's no been right a couple of days before, you know you know, with the ECG that and all but obviously uh I'm being a bit funnier, but it's more definitely more about just keeping keeping track of you you know, how things are going at the gym and all of that and uh your heart rate and and all the rest of it. So Good. Sounds really nice. Um but because of the word Huawei, I just wouldn't even consider it. Um if I was in the market for a watch I'd be going more mainstream. Well recently we've been using Joe and I have been getting these uh moto watches which are basically dumb watches anyway. Um but if I was going for a watch I wouldn't even I'd I see the word Huawei and I and I just think it's gonna be an um you know, Harmony OS and no Google Play Services and b blahla bhlah . But maybe y we you obviously prove that that's not really a barrier, depending on what you want to use it for. Yeah, that's it and that's that's what uh that's what I'm kinda alluding to Ted you know, it's definitely not a barrier. As long long as as as you're not someone who's saying, you know, I need to be looking at Gmail or I want you have the full Google Suite on on this watch and all of these sort of things then you know if that's not important to you then this is this is definitely the watch and see the OS that Harmony OS i it's it's really good, really smooth. Um the the tech in this is fantastic. I mean I haven't seen one one um glitch or anything, you know, swiping through this. Everything loads up super quick, you put new faces on it, they're there instantly. Um really, really, really good. And if you're just focused on health and your fitness, then this is this is right up there. Like I said with the the Huawei app there is that that blend. I mean I think they've got the UI's pretty it's pretty good and you can in you can clearly see things. I I preferred it to Garmin, you know, so you let the workouts get in for strength training. Um I just found it a whole lot easier than Garmin. Um you clicked it and right away it just seemed to know what you were doing and you know and off you went. Um even the post workout analysis where it starts to then track ing your heart rate over the next two minutes, you know, on your cool down just so's that 'cause again that's another good uh performance indicator and how you how well you're doing in that at the gym and that and all of these three things were just really, really good and really well laid out. It's just a shame but that they've mixed in some of the paywall, you know, in the front front and centre of the UI because I think it's down. And they're serving you up adverts . Yeahah, ye, it's their own advert now saying, Hey, you know what, do you want we're giving you three months three months of this and you know you're like, Well to be honest, I'm I'm not that bored about it and it'd be good if I could just no see that ever again. You know that, would be a good option. But um like I said, it's only one line on the app, so it's it's not it's not it's not crazy. It's lovable. It's it's passable. Cool. Okay, well thank them so much Mark for a your rundown there um of what you're using. It all sounds really interesting and I'm sure that our listeners will be interested in what you said. No question at all. Um a couple of bits of furniture to to cover now one of which is that I opened a Discord account and you know I was getting a bit um uh cold feetish with Mi We and I thought what would happen if Mi We went tits up and and unlike Google and other services who give you months and months notice ahead of it, what if it just went away tomorrow? So I went into Discord um and I set up a structure, just like we've got on Mi , basically. It's not it's not as good, but it's it the structure is very similar. Um and so it's there, sitting there. If we ever need it, um then I shall link to it from um tedsalmon.com and I'll make um make that known to everyone. So if suddenly you wake up one day and Mi Wee's not working, you can go to Ted Salmon.com and then you can get you can get into the Discord server where we can carry on at least in some form or fashion. Um so I'll put the links to that in the um in the show notes as we go forward. Okay ? Yep, sounds good to me. I'll join Good. Um yeah. I I'll I'll I'll talk to you about it offline, Joe, but it's it's very s the structure's very similar. Um d uh the app is next and Mark, you brought an app I did, I did, and um and I'll be quick on this one because I'm pretty sure everybody should be aware of this one. Um it's another um kind of T V and movie one, but it's a famous one. It's IMD the IMDB app. And again, it's excellency if you like to go in and you know and check out movies and actors and stuff. It's also really handy when you cannot remember someone's name when you're looking at their face on screen, you know, and you're like, right, okay, I'm you go look up and see who that is. Um but really, really good app , got uh wealth information on on all the T V shows, all the movies, um and also good if you're looking for a kinda new show as well, you know, they've got things with the show, you know, the top ten or the the you know, uh this month's shows and stuff like that as well. So there's loads of good um loads of helpful we tip uh helpful little tips in there um if you're if you're into T V and movies. Um like me. Yeah. I l I love this app because I always forget oh what were they in again? Oh yeah, and you check and you you can see what they was in. Oh yeah, they was in that film, weren't they? And it and I always check the ratings if if I go on Netflix for example and there's some film that looks like it might tickle my fancy, it's sci fi or something like that, and I think well this might be good. I check the IMDB rate and they find it at six point two and I think yeah, I won't spend that time watching that then That's a joke. It's vital. Yeah, it's very good for that. It's very good for that. And uh yeah the older you get as well Joe um the that happens more often with the forgetting the names, you know, like air for she calls, you know, uh you know. I totally agree. Right, a couple of bits of news. Um click's communicator will ship with Android seventeen now. It was gonna be sixteen apparently, and a bigger battery. That it was going to be a 4000 milliamp hour battery, and now they're saying it's going to be 4 50 milliamp hours. So that's good. Anyone that's got a clicks communicator , um, will should be excited about that. I'm not quite sure what the promise is of how many updates that's gonna get, but if it starts on one higher than it was going to in the first place, then uh that can only be good I gu That's a that's a good sorry it's late, isn't it? Um and the other and the other bit of news was that um Sams ung have unveiled another pa yet another patent for a rolling screen, um which was discovered as they snuck it through. But it's this is a a slightly different one where the um the camera island, which is looks very much like the camera island on most Samsung phones, those three vertical um uh lenses on the on the side, is kind of sliding into the back into a kind of opening so that the camera moves with it. It looks very uh interesting idea. Um any thoughts on either of those two news stories, either of you I think Mark go first, anything? Um yeah, yeah, no problem. Um the the communicator, I mean how much is that thing by the way, the communicator? 'Cause uh I don't know. Uh obviously with the Blackberry vibes and stuff like that, I would love for Blackbla Blackberry to come back. Um It's gonna be um uh uh uh four hundred and ninety nine dollars. Um but I think it depends if you you can reserve one with a a hundred and ninety nine dollar deposit. So but I think yeah basically like four hundred and fifty quid or something probably. Yeah, yeah I mean I mean even getting that six months after it's released just for the fact of having that um would be fantastic because over the years, you know, certainly with Blackberries, you know, I've I've been back and you know, do you remember like obviously with the Z the Zed series and all that and uh I mean they w they were they they they were excellent, but um I I could for some trip down you know memory lane it would be good to maybe give something like that a go. Um but I'm I'm pretty sure that I'm uh and I've said this to myself loads of times, I don't think I could even go back to you know typing on a keyboard again. You know, I'm just so so used to I yeah I know I know it's like it's fantasy but you know that I'm like oh yeah it'd be good after a while I'd get back into it um and I'm sure I've tried it on a few things and all like no, it's it doesn't work. I'm with you. I don't I don't buy it . No, I know, I know. I think we need to let that go, but it's hard because, you know, certainly with the BlackBerry, you know, the good memes of Blackberry, you know, that was that was On the on the Samsung um with the fold out display. Now who else was it was doing that? Remember um uh what was that? Mike Ryan . L LG had one. And uh and what did you see Motor? Motorola did w th they had the Riser , which which which actually they shouted very loudly about for a good while, but it went away again. It just disappeared, I know. I I've I thought it it actually could be a good idea if that's done if that's done right. Um you know, for because obviously it'd minimize the fold and all that as well, wouldn't it? Yeah No no it's a it's it's a rollable. It's not a you would roll it you'd you'd just you'd roll it out and then you you wouldn't ha you wouldn't have that crease. Um so that would that would take that away. So yeah, I mean I'm uh I I'm sure I've seen it at one of these uh one of those like C S or something. I don't know. Can't remember. But anyway at the time I thought if that that's good and it can be durable enough, you know, to be you know sold as a consumer phone, that would be that would be ide And I think Joe you were saying about the LG that I think the LG went sideways as well, didn't it? Yeah, I I but I I'm not sure how I feel about it. Um 'cause how many rolls would you get compared to folds for a long life, I don't know. Um yeah, it's an interesting one. Um let's see if it ever actually comes out as a consumer device. Yeah. Um one to watch, isn't it? It's a bit weird how the the flash is separated from the camera, you know, when it rolls out. Yeah. Very odd. Yeah. I know I I remember when I was looking at it and I I was thinking that the the roller probably would take it would probably you, know uh it uh disperse the kind of stress point, wouldn't it? You know, of having a foldable 'cause you know, when you've got that foldable then it's just the the the middle, you know, the the bit that's folding that's obviously under under stress all the time we go back and forward. And if you've got the roller then that's kinda you know spread uh you know, over the screen more, isn't it? You know, and you're you're kinda on a on a bigger roller as well and maybe maybe over time that could could be better. But the the issue I suppose is is the roller you know, and rolling that screen back in. And what does that mean when you're rolling something in at the top? Um, you know, when that i obviously then that means how how's that working, you know, 'cause the screen is that going to be exposed a bit or you know, I I I don't know. For me in the UK and you'll appreciate this in Scotland as well, um I need an IP rating on on my phone, um for sure. And I'm not sure they're gonna be able to get that with this. Um let's see though. Yeah yeah I don't I d I I don't think it's gonna be IP sixty nine this one, is it? No, definitely. If indeed it ever sees the light of day, that's the other thing. Yeah, that's true, yeah. Pa patents come out at a r remarkable rate. Um and we were talking last week about um the the Microsoft one surface one and you know a lot of these just go nowhere so perhaps we shouldn't spend too much time on it anyway. Joe, well um anything um from your um Joe's throws this week? Not much, just um that I've finally got my six hundred pro um demo unit come through. And it's disgusting. I need to to give it a good wash before I start using it. But yeah, so that I'll start playing with that soon. Um I might even do a video with like jet washes on it because they they state it's IP sixty eight, sixty nine K didn't they? So that'd be a good video, wouldn't it? Give it a wash at the same time. Um perhaps that will be coming. But yeah, nothing else exciting. Um I've I'm still in the razor fold and enjoying that. Um I've still got the moto watch uh dumb watch but it's it's fun it's nice um nice stainless steel um uh thingy wrist what's it called strap couldn't remember what it was called nice um stainless steel strap on it which um it's quite smart looking like like you said about the Huawei one it it looks like a watch um which is is quite important to me I want it to look like a classic watch um but yeah nothing else exciting happening at my end. I've been quite lazy last two days um burning in the sun and um drinking beer. Good for you. Okay, I've got a few things kicking about, including playing with lineage OS, which I'll come to in another show when we've got more time. Um putting it on the SonyXperia 10 Mark 7 or trying to and the Fairphone 5 more successfully. Um I've also done a piece on the Moto Pen Ultra which I've done on my blog, so I'll link to that um overview there as well as my um trader signature review again. Um and also I've got a um a rather large Moto Pen Ultra shared alb uh go a Google um photo shared album and I'll link to that as well 'cause I put loads of screenshots in there so you can see how the Moto Pen Ultra um uh gets on with um the the the the the the phone and what it can do and what it can't do. So if you're interested in that and comparing it with the Samsung S Pen um and others then um cut through to that and have a look. Um I got my Motivator goodie bag and apparently there's one on the way to you as well, Joe. Um arriving tomorrow, isn't it? Yeah, I see an email saying s something from Moroto's coming tomrow so I'm I'm assuming it's what you got. Um which I'm quite excited about. Yeah. Well you like you you like your football, don't you? Yeah, I see. I I love uh free stuff. Yeah. So there's a there's a hoodie in there, there's a a t shirt, there's some hats, there's footballs, a flask, a fan, and just a a whole bunch of stuff. But it's all m one almost all of it is FIFA branded because of the deal that they've done with the World Cup my trailer obviously. Um and so yeah, some nice stuff in there. My favourite bit is the the mini football. I think that's really neat and cute. Not that I'll probably ever play football again, but it's nice to have next to my rugby ball. Um last thing that I wanted to say is that the Samsung Galaxy S twenty four plus got one UI eight dot five at last and hurra h, it does indeed include being able to remove the s the pill from behind the um the the the percentage um battery percentage in the status bar and I'd been waiting for that. It's just so much better, so much clearer. Um and you know, we were talking earlier about the things that were copied from Apple that are good. Well, this is not one of them because it's it it it's just really annoying. I could I you I couldn't see the thing um in the status bar. But now it's as clear as day, so much better. Well done to Samsung for giving users the option to have the pill or not the pill. Hurrah. And let's get on now to the last two bits of the show which are the photo of the week. And let's go with um um oh hang on a minute. I need to I need to explain that we decided um that we were gonna do photo of the month and photo of the year as part of um PSC photography podcast. So while we'll continue to do photo of the week here on PSC, we will not do the competition ones. We're going to shuffle that across to PSC photography. And so don't expect for that to be covered here. But it does open up the door to for us to choose whatever we want um in this uh particular show, PSC. So I have chosen um uh a a photograph by Ian Bundy called Micro Dog Selfie, which he took on a um uh an on a Magic Eight Pro as well. So it's a picture of him uh with basically playing with layers where he he's put himself um uh front and centre in uh close to the to the to the phone and got his dog um a bit further away so it looks very small and it's kind of looking up at him and barking and i uh it's just a really interesting and creative photograph that I think Ian has thought about and executed really well. It's a nice photo, bit of fun, um and a lovely blue sky. Any thoughts on that either of you? Yeah, I I love this image. I I really love it. He must have had someone else to help him. I think the dog's looking at a third a second person there in the background. Um but the composition's really good and yeah Ian Ian's great uh with his photography. I I love his stuff and if you want to hear more of about him definitely check out that podcast and PSE photography podcast. And now it's in the same stream as this one is. Um hopefully we'll get some more people listening. Yeah, excellent. Um Mark, any thoughts on that one? Yeah, yeah. No, I I'm I I looked at it out a few times and I and I was thinking that the dog was just about to do a shake, you know, to get the water off. That's what I was thinking. But we could Yeah, you know, like and he's just he's just captured the moment. But like you said with this one, Ted, you know, he's he's basically just done a fun shot right away and um yeah it's a cheery one isn't it? Certainly is definitely what was your pick Mark? Um so I picked um the one um I think what's he what's he called it again, Ultra Sunday, um and it was by Ian Bundy um and he was using an Opel Find X nine Ultra um and it's basically a picture of two cars um going round uh a racing track. Um but the way he's done the the the picture he's g he's got it an a an angle as well and I thought that was really good. That really that really stuck out actually just rather than a flat, you know, getting everything horizontal and that he's actually put it at an angle um and that really caught caught it. But basically for me I thought it was a stylish shot, plenty of atmosphere in it. Um and you know and it looks like sort of shot that's been taken in the eighties, you know, um as well. Um so yeah, I thought I thought that was an interesting shot. Um and also then it then obviously the illness kicked in and then it was making me think, Oh, I need to try one of the Opple Find X's then you know you know I'm gonna I'm gonna need to try that. But uh you know not It's a very nice photo, you're right. And Ian does take some great shots. Um and that there's some heavy bean vignetting going on here as well, which as as adds to the whole um atmosphere as well. And that you're right, that angled is really good. Um so um uh Joe? Yeah it's another great shot and this is um more what we see for mean quite often but the edit's a bit different for him, um as you say with a vignette and and um the angle. So yeah it's a great shot and do you know what I could have easily picked um an Ian shot as well um with you know the car with Ian on the front. Um but I I didn't pick an Ian one. I thought let's let's let someone else have some limelight. Um but just before I uh pick Maya one, um Ian did say he actually prefers the cameras on the the Opo. Um not to make you switch at all. Uh Mark, but yeah, he actually prefers the camera on that. Um not to say he didn't enjoy the eight pro he says. Um but yeah. I think most of the most of the reviews that I've seen, Joe, they all kinda agree that the the Oppo's definitely um is is right up there and probably ahead a honour in that one. So yeah, and I'm not I'm not surprised with that as well. You know , but just it's close and and you know, like I said, I just need something to set me over the edge, don't I? Well funny enough th this one comes from a phone that I'm very interested in and it's the it it''ss uh taken on a Vivo X three hundred Ultra. It's Drops on a Leaf, Somewhere in Cornwall, um by Andrew Martin. Um I know you love your macro as well, uh Ted. Um yeah, I d I love shots like this. Uh especially the fact that it's come from a phone. It's fantastic. Yeah, it's great, isn't it? They the this very shadow depth of field. Um I I I've never I I still have never seen a Vivo phone in my life. Never held one, never had one anywhere near me, um, but I'm hearing good things about it, some of it from you in previous um devices. But if it can do macro like that, that's really, really interesting, isn't it? Stunning, yeah. Yeah. I I definitely would love to get hands on with one of them. Um I think I think quite a few people in in our communities got got them between them and the uh OPO Ultra, I think they're the two top phones, aren't they, at the moment? Mark, any thoughts? Yeah, no, uh that's made me smile, guys. See when I looked at both of your pictures, um it made me smile because I looked at both of these pictures as well and I was humming and hon . Um certainly that one Joe with the the close up there, um you know, uh the macro that that it it was great. It really was. Um and and I I and and your one as well. Um Ted, you know, it was funny. It was just funny, but I uh like I said it made me smile when I looked in here and I seen both your pictures 'cause I was I was over them as well. So yeah So keep 'em coming everyone. Let's get to classifiers before we wind this up and um I was gonna pick we spoke about the Honor Magic Seven Pro earlier. Well Gaz Morris is still selling his, still trying to sell his, brand new and sealed in a box, not even open. This is the sixteen gig the one terabyte, sixteen gigabyte version, um, global in black, case and charger, blah de blah de blah, five hundred and fifty quid, which is a bit of a a bargain I think. I know it's last year's Magic Pro, but um it's still very, very capable. And it's brand new, sealed in a box, five hundred and fifty quid. Can't argue with that. I don't know how it's not sold, Ted, like for that money. Um and it's got the same 3D face unlock which we've mentioned, is fantastic. Still got a very capable camera system . Uh a one terabyte on it. I mean, it's great phone. Yeah, definitely. What was your pick? My pick, um it's going with sticking with honor. It's a magic pad free, brand new and sealed, um by Ashoka Pachori. Um three hundred and twenty-five quid. I think that's uh a really good tablet. I mean they've I know they've got a new one now, um, but this retailed at I think four or five nine nine origin ally. Um so yeah it's a decent tablet. Cool. Very good. And Mark um yeah and j just a just before I got any those magic pads. 're They brilliant. When I got that the 8, the the Magic Pro 8, basically they gave me they gave me a tablet with that as well. And it was just the basic one how it's I think it's about 150 quid. I I was so impressed with this. See the performance on it, it was fantastic. Gave it to my wife. Um so but the magic, the magic pad, uh is obviously a big step up from that, so that's a great price as well. And the fact that it's sealed. Um but but I was really impressed with the performance on them. Um for my choice, um I chose the the S twenty five Ultra that was in there, it was sitting at I I think he's got it um at five five fifty um and it's in immaculate condition and I think he was saying the battery was at ninety nine percent um or something he's used it for a year so that's quite a good price um for for a device like that. The S twenty five Ultra was excellent. Um you know it's a really good performer that one. Um I liked it a lot. So that was my choice. Good. Okay, so um that's the classifiers. If you want to join the classifiers you'll have to email me and discuss it because it is a closed members only group so um you'll know my email address and if you don't then you don't deserve to join. Phones show Chat.uk as our website, two S's in the middle. Um don't forget to head across there to catch up with all the stuff we're talking about and doing, including the um the PSC photography uh podcast now. Um you can buy me a coffee if you really would like to and I'd be very grateful. That's at PayPal.me forward slash TedSalmon. And if you want to buy Joe one, it's Pa atyPal .me forward slash hickey8 5 . Um The um Podhub UK I mentioned earlier has got all the links of all the stuff we do and what we where we go. And Ted Salmon.com is where you'll find everything else. Um, if you get lost, all the audio podcasts, all the Mi Wi groups, all the rest of it, you'll want for nothing. Um there's a projector room podcast this week. Um so look out for that one and um we'll leave you to it. Thank you very much Mark for joining us. It's been great to chat with you again. Ted and and Joe, it's been great to be on um again and uh yeah. It's been great. Thank you so much for having me. Yeah. And Mark, now um now the photography podcast is including phones, you might be interested in being a guest on there at some point. Yeah, yeah, I would uh I would love that and then yeah, obviously and I seen it it open it up to drones as well, drone footage and yeah 'cause I've got I've got loads of drone footage. Uh we do that quite a lot. In fact, just a couple of weeks ago I was up we we were travelling up to Fort William we did a couple of stops and got some drone footage and I'm thinking that is absolutely excellent now we can 'cause I've took some great shots um with the with the drone um so it would be good. Well Chris um the Chris and um um Ian are gonna be missing for a few weeks um and I think Charlie is as well. So we could certainly do with um your uh input on that podcast. So we'll talk to you about that. So thanks very much. Okay. Um that's it then. We'll wind it up now and um thank you all for listening and we'll catch you next week. No we won't. We'll catch you the week after when we've got our fourth um Ted and Joe go live. So um that'll be on the eighth of June and um we'll hope that you'll join us then and drop in. We'll do the usual thing, give you the link in the Mi Wee group during the day at some point and then you can just drop in and um natter with us about anything you like. We won't have any agendas or anything so um we hope that we'll chat with you then. So thanks again and um we'll catch you next time. Take care .