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I'm James Dyer and welcome to Pilot TV, your essential guide to every show that matters. And yes, you may have noticed that we only have two shows. on the docket this week, which is not just because we are lazy. Oh I mean in Boyd's case that's that's the reason. But but it's not because we're lazy as a podcast, but because literally every other show this week is heavily heavily embargoed and there is absolutely nothing we can do about it. We are not amused, in fact. Uh but on the plus side, I have been chatting to guests every five minutes. So we've got a kind of guest up a loser. But it's about time to make our finger out when it's that's I was I was feeling that Boyd had been carrying the interview segment of this podcast for some while so this week I've decided to do 'Co Boyd Hilton has joined me this week, as Steph Sealin. I haven't been talking to anyone. Haven't you? No just you two weeks. Just us. The best people, really. Let's let's just say that why shouldn't we just do two shows one week? I mean why why what's the big rule about we established all of three that we do three shows. But every now and then you're gonna have to just do two. What is social cage built for ourselves? Well I watched some of the embargo shows, so I did watch the other stuff. Don't talk about that. Go on, spoil it now. Go on, do it. Let's do it. No, I'm not sure. We're gonna so we are going to deal with the boroughs on Pilot Plus and some of the other embargo shows we're gonna do next week. Because there are other embargo shows next week, but we'll figure it all out. Embargoes upon embargoes. In fact this whole conversation is embargoed until Monday. Absolutely. Can I just say if I was to sub your intro, um I wouldn't have left Gary, the name of the show right at the end. Oh really? Yeah, because you kinda went the show did both and then you went Gary and it sounded a bit weird. So if you said uh Gary, which was The tone of the podcast is set now. Someone's a bit picky today. I'm just I'm just trying to be helpful. Thank you, boy. That's useful. I'm a highly trained soldier. First job in um journalism, yeah. Never leave a dangling Gary. That is actually grammatical rule. Nangling Gary. Never dangling Gary. Unless it's Gary Neville. In which case do what you want. Gary. There's been a lot of Gary Neville related to the game. There's been a lot of Gary Neville. I know you have. I want to get him on the show. Oh my God. Is there some way isn't there some way, James, that you'd allow us to get him on the show? No, you know I don't literally don't even know who He's on TV a lot. He's a football player. Uh no, no, excellent but he's a T V pundit and and presenter. Sure. James Does he watch Game of Thrones? He's my soulmate. Okay. Listen, the World Cup's coming up soon. Uh-huh. And a f couple we're time. And it's by the way, that is going to affect things, I warn you now, because people clear clear their schedules. My understanding is people generally counter program with sci fi during the World Cup. But you know what? I think that's a bit of a myth. The the whole counter programming thing is a bit of a myth. So for example, um Rivals The reason why uh Disney Plus is showing Rebels in two chunks of six episodes each is because they're the the big gap in the middle is for the World Cup. Because people's attention no matter who you are, apart from me when you're James, most people are it's it's the biggest show on earth. So they clear they they clear the way for people to just focus on the World Cup. So there's some counterprogramming, but there's also a lot of just less content for it. Now I don't know how it's gonna play out. I haven't look to the schedules in depth. But there's definitely gonna be fewer choices, I think. It's only terrestrial wise, because I T V and B B C One schedules are just going to be World Cup. World Cup, World Cup to a lo to to a we can do some kind of group Game of Thrones rewatch instead of reviewing new shoes. We are doing you two are doing Yellowstone. Anyway, so but we Gary Neville he's gonna be k a key pundit for I T V's coverage of the World Cup. Is there some way we can turn this into a TV related I know it's like a supposed to be script it high end all blah blah blah, cinematic TV, et cetera. You know, there's gotta be a valid reason to get get level on the show. If there's any way that I can ship Steph with Gary Neville and that there's a chance in the future that I might have to be invited to one of Steph's weddings, and I say we do it. So let's get him on Pilot Plus and he can just him and Pilot Plus one on one. Oh my God. Yes. I'm gonna make I'm gonna make it happen. I feel a bit speechless by this. I have I have something to share with you guys. Oh Is it about bees? It's n no, I haven't brought a bag of bees with me. Well you've got. I have a I have a prop with me. Oh my God, what's your I'm gonna have to take my headphones off. I felt it What do you think? I can't see it. Oh here we go. Echo Brewery. This is a bona fide from Colin From Accounts. The uh lovely Michael, lovely Michael who listened to this podcast who uh works on Collin from Accounts said when they wrapped the season three, which I believe is going to be the last season, he has not told me that to be fair. That's something I intuited from Harriet Dyer, no relation, her Instagram post. But they were doing a prop sale. And he bought me this cap from the Echo Park Brewery. What official con accounting cap. Do you know as well? The cap fits. It does. It fits the cap quite well. You're not really a baseball cap wearer, as I am a basic cat. I don't see you in baseball cap. We mean outside. Have to wear hats. But one of your signature um visual looks is the fact that you have a shiny head which you do show off. But I take the cap off when I get to the office So I wear it. It's like several caps. I do, I have a cap. But the difference between your work life and your personal life is the cap. Yeah. That's it. But now my signature cap is this lovely Echo Punk. Isn't it? Yeah, it's really. I saw Thank you Michael. Thank you my kind so kind. Yeah, brilliant. Um by the way Calling from Account's dude what's his name who's in the Devil Ways Programming Have you seen the Devil Ways Prodite too? No, I haven't. I haven't yet. I thought it was a bit of a weak link that relationship in the film. Anyway, well he's he was, I would argue, somewhat wasted. Totally wasted film. Everyone's loving Devil Way's Prodite too, though. Everybody is loving. The most three star film ever made, but it's not everyone. Yeah. It's good. It's a good point, but it's I agree with you. Three stars. Anyway, that yeah, good hat where. Thank you very much. How so he out from his own money purchased that for you. Yeah. And the postage was like twenty five bucks. Hold on. Probably quite expensive. Yeah. It could have been. It could have been. Michael Michael's a mench. Like he's a he's a he's a good guy. What does he do on um On that, I do you know what? I don't know what his exact role on quantum accounts was, but he's he works in he's in the industry. Okay, a number of other things. No, I think he's like an AD or something. Okay, well he I hope he could claim that back on expenses because that's Yeah, I hope so. Listen if he's in if he's making Well, you know, you shouldn't take things for granted. No. No, you really shouldn't. You're very lucky. Thank you. Thank you. But but I'm not always lucky. And the reason I say this is uh boyy. What were you uh up to on uh. Sunday night, for example. Sunday night I was watching um uh West Ham versus Arsenal on my iPhone. But what you're alluding to, if I can use those words. Yes, and I will is that at the same time I was at the Bafter T V Awards. Yes, two thousand twenty. The Bafter TV Awards Royal Festival Hall. Yes, which you were invited to. Multiple times. By multiple people. And Would you like to ask me how many times I was invited? How many by how many times a p brilliant punchline to this as well, which I don't know if you know, but go on, how many times were we invited? None. Okay. No invites from anyone. Multiple. Do you know 'cause can you guess who was in So I was invited. I was on the jury, the panel, that decided the short list for the memorable moment, which is the only award voted for by members of the public which was one. The one the cast was won quite rightly by Alan Carr winning um Celebrity Chasers. So that was the winning. I think you guessed that that was going to be that one. I thought it was, yeah. So I was on that jury. So I was invited by PO the sponsors, because they also sponsor that award and um went to the Bafters. Um The Fairy People. The Fairy People, exactly. Then um in the week. So that was that happened weeks ago, like they invited me. And then in the week before the BAFTAs HBO Max invited me to sit at their table. Oh, you know, that's a HBO. That's a ju that's a good table to be on. Yeah, right, in i in every way. And and remember, by the way, that HBO Max slash TNT the people who invited me to the Chairman's League final. So anyway. So I thought well I I thought long and hard about what should I c but I couldn't swap. You can't. I told you what to do. I know, but you gave me some very funny advice. I did as he said, one of the things you should do is just basically go to both tables, have two dinners, and keep just going, I'm just gonna walk to the list. I am gonna write a fast a comedy fast script about it. Yeah, pretending if what would you do if you j w work on both tables. Yeah, work the room. So two dinners. Yeah. It's a funny It's a funny premise, so I might turn that into a comedy. Um but anyway, the person who who's on the HBM Max table was No. I'm on Woman of the Empire Podcast fame. Brilliant. So Amon was invited by memory of film jobs. Just to be absolutely clear. Amon, who and I cannot emphasize this enough. is a film journalist was invited by HBO Max, the TV streaming service to be on their TV table at the TV awards. Totally. Whereas myself, host of the award winning pilot TV podcast. Not a thing. Yeah. I saw him and I thought too, but I just was like, Oh, do you know what I'm not gonna go. Wow. No, it wasn't entertaining. Wow Yeah, I thought it was entertaining. I presume H B M Max does have films on it as well, though. Just to just Oh then that's fine. That's fine. Oh that's okay. That's fine. Would you have gone if you'd been invited. No, but that's Really neither here nor there, Yeah, good point. Well done, sir. I knew there was no I knew there was something I meant to say. Yeah you wouldn't have gone anyway. You don't know that. I like to mix things up. I might have gone Sunday. I can't I can't see it for no way you've got three and a half hour ceremony, no way. HBO if you're listening to this, I'm just saying I might have come. Anyway, a I was watching the Australian on my phone throughout the whole ceremony. I surely appreciated that. And but also I guess who was as well, Danny Dyer. Danny Dyer because he's a West Hampshire so he's there like twenty roads in front of me, clearly watching the game on his phone as well. And um not only that when they had this most spectacular dramatic ending of any football match in recent memory where West Own thought they'd scored and it was just allowed by V AR and he had his head in his hands, Danny Dyer was absolutely fucking devastating. dance behind woo almost. Look the VAR is look, we can't get into this, but there's been a lot of VAR decisions at the moment that are expecting Steph, this is not footballistically arsenal. I know, but it's the part of the I'm not Gary Neville, sadly. Do you know what I'd really like? One of Gary Neville's Gila's So if anyone can get their hands on that. Let's move on. What have you been watching body apart from football? Well I was gonna say the football was during the Bafters, but I've covered that. That's fine. I can I can move on from that. Um but it was an incredible moment um in my life, never to be forgotten. Because that was going to be the defining moment of this football season, by the way, James. Just saying. But what I've been watching, actually, for this purposes of this show pertaining to Pilot TV, is my favorite documentary of the year so far, which is on Netflix. Which is a feature The End of an Era. Taylor Swift's Era's Tour retrospective. No, that's on Disney Plus. Shit. Um this is a documentary on Netflix dropped last week and it's uh feature length documentary. A KA it could be described as a film, but it's not a film because it's not coming out of cinemas. Well let's not have that whole conversation again. It's just absolutely brilliant from beginning to end. And it is Marty Life's Short. Oh, I bet that's brilliant. Yes, Martin Short, the star you probably best known these days for being in Only Modes of the Building with Steve Martin, his lifelong friend, Steve Martin. This is he's my he's been my regular listeners, loyal listeners to the show will know he is in my I think he's one of the five funniest people in the world ever. Absolutely. Excludes. Yeah. And I love always loved him ever since. I think I goes back to three amigos, but I would say Father of the Bride in a space. In a space, Jiminy Glick, the funniest comedy character ever invented, and I include Alan Partridge, maybe even David Brenton, that I don't know. Maybe he's up there anyway. And then this is a the first and it's directed by um Lawrence Casden, who's a brilliant proper film director and best mates of him as well. But what's surprising about it is that it traces his life from Korean, he's had a lot of tragedy in his life. A lot of tragedy. His big brother died when he was like twelve or something. And um he he's had a lot of r the recent deaths in his family and friends of his died. And but he's so um still managed to take everything with a with his sense of humor. He's managed to be funny about all of that stuff. Like he makes, you know, dark jokes about the the the the the bereavements he's had to go through him and his family in the most incredible way. So um I loved it. It's don't it does not it does absolute justice to the great man and it's fantastic. Your favorite documentary. Marty, life is short on the Netflix. Then the other show I've been watching is I thought I'd go back because I've had so we've had so many Correspondences Is that the word? I don't know. About Please God, please God, we don't. And there is an entire subreddit thread on this subject. And the Reception seems to be, and I cannot say this clearly enough, universally lauding it. Not even like, yeah, it's fine. They genuinely love it. Can I can I I just want to say You can say whatever you are. I'm just gonna remind you. Right. I'm gonna take you back to the. But Steph doesn't know what she's talking about. Both were so new work. I wasn't as negative as he was. You weren't as negative. No, I hated it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, right. And I pleaded with you to watch it because it was so good. I pointed out how it and then somebody wrote in and it's on Pilot Plus. They wrote in to and and gave a brilliant email of all the why you should love it, all the reasons. And now I would like to hear all the reasons that Boyd now loves Widows Bay. So first of all, we we read out the email on Pilot Plus, uh which accused me of ignoring because I did talk about how it had a mixed response from critics. I did mis roughly use that phrase or whatever. Because I had read negative reviews, a couple of negative reviews, quite prominent ones, and this uh correspondent said that that wasn't true and I was wrong about that it being mixed and now what is the case is I'm wrong tomatoes, which annoys me anyway, and the other one, what's the other one? Metacritic. It's like eighty, ninety percent. So clearly Vast majority. But there were Time magazine that was quite scathing about it and there was another magazine, was one of those collider or one of those online type things where you have to pay. Yeah. It was pretty negative as well. As was I. So but I I admit that I was being slightly misleading by saying it was mixed, because it's definitely the vast majority were positive. I think the reader the reader said that you said they were negative. And you didn't. And the reader was arguing that actually at They were at worst they were mixed. Oh well time Time's one is absolutely negative. Okay. And and and kind of and I I read it very soon after we'd reviewed it and it's kind of uh said all the things that I felt about it in a way. And the other thing I think I was obsessed with the time for some reason. was about about actor performances in comedies. And I think uh we've done a couple of comedies where I've been slightly irritated by actors being slightly like I'm in a comedy type acting. You know that their register, if you like, was just too much and it it left me unconvinced by the and slightly ruined. um those shows for me. From from what I remember, I think part of your issue was that people were talking a bit loudly. Yes there was a lot of shouting in that first episode. And I maintain there was too much shouting in that first episode. Okay, well just saying. Okay now now begin your uh reverse ferret. But put your reverse beepers on. But Overall. Double down, boy. Double down. Overall. Go on. Go on. I have to say. It's really good. Thank you, bro. So sorry. As if I made it myself. I don't know what the fuck I was thinking. I am the I am the Keir Starmer. Wow. There's no way for me to cut that out. I have totally double. No, I've totally um done a 180 um reverse ferret, whatever you want to call it, um uh U-turn. It's a big U-turn for me. Um it's really good. Yeah, I don't know what I was thinking. Well I do know what I was thinking. I do think I'm I'm still gonna maintain, also slightly in that politician way where they never admit they're wrong about anything, that the first episode isn't the best. I think a second episode he really is is a massive leap forward when he goes to the the haunted hotel. Yeah the haunted hotel and that's really well done. And even though I kind of knew what was gonna happen in the in the end of that, because it if you're a horror fan you're gonna get all the tropes are there in this show and you're gonna know kind of you can predict what's gonna happen in when he they deploy those tropes. But it's really entertaining. So entertaining is great. And I do think he was shouting so you watch episode one. But after that he's finally settles down There's a great kind of putative romantic element to it, which is really where he goes to do when this this nice lady meets c meets cute out when when she's looking at a road sign. Um the eccentric older characters get more depth, particularly the kind of main one that that main guy who he's has the big clash with. Yeah. Um turns out to be The Fisherman. He's he needs it more more than anything. And and and and the whole premise, which is that what would happen if complete cynic and non-believer in anything supernatural. whose whole job is being undermined by these annoying locals who he himself refers to as as Yokals or whatever at one point. Um, what if all of those things turn out to be true and actually and he's and he and then he has to kind of almost convince himself that these things aren't actually happening when they clearly are. And that the supernatural stuff is a figure's ma imagination. They do cleverly deploy it things like him drinking a lot. Uh him the the fumes of the damp in the room might have got him hallucinating. But in the end it's like, All right, this stuff is happening to me. I'm terrified. I need to sort it out somehow. Um it's just it's it's a delight. And um It is a delight. Yeah. Uh uh Yeah, it's really good. Do you know what else is a delight? You are. Well done back here to watch it 'cause it is so good and I want people to watch it 'cause it's really funny. Isn't it funny? It is funny. It's funny and and do you know what? The the the horror stuff is very well done. I i it's like comedy horror almost is defined by stuff like Sean of the Dead, which actually is Comedy, comedy, comedy. horror, horror, right? Whereas this is comedy, comedy, comedy, horror, horror, horror, horror. And the horror stuff is really genuinely creepy sometimes when it needs to be. So it's quite well judged in that way, I think, tonally. Mr. Tonal Shift over there would find it. The tone was what turned me off. Yeah, but I think they they get their they get their act in gear as it goes on and and just the way they there's one bit which is quite David Lynchian with the old woman in the distance and all of that. They use distance quite well. bit like the Doc Two episode um seventy three yards. Yes. Um So uh yeah, I really like it. I mean you've now made me want to revisit it. You'll really like it, James. You will be able to do it. Well I may not, because bear in mind it doesn't exactly gel with my sensibilities regarding comedy. That said, I do take people's points that like sometimes because that one I only did get time to watch the first one, which I did struggle with, sometimes bad first episode does not a bad show make. Like it can find its feet as it goes along. So I I will definitely give it at least one more episode when I can. I can't promise when, because Steph and I have agreed that having reviewed Dutton Ranch on Pilot Plus. I mean this is stupid for stuff. Right. We have committed to a Yellowstone run through because we've never seen it. We've ne we're going we're going into the stone. That's good. And we are gonna be like Taylor Sheridan's like biggest reviewers. That could be that I mean, let's be honest. I'm I'm will I will re watch the pilot and I will watch a couple of episodes and if I hate it, I'm just gonna stop. Dutton Ranch has made me want to know what happened. I need to understand Rip. That's what it is. I need to get into the mind. Rip cannot be understood. I think that might be true. Do you know who is Rip's one of his um greatest fans? David Beckham. He was on David Beckham's show. Really? Yes. David Beckham's. On the football washing show that I mentioned last week. The one that you mentioned last week, which is why I'm bringing it up, is because he had him on it and he was basically saying, he's a huge um a Yellowstone fan, David Beckhamley was like saying, I just you're like the greatest ever. I love your character. You're such a a man's man. You're so brilliant. So I'm just saying. Slightly worrying that David Beckham's modeling himself on uh the dude from The Ranch. What's it called? The new one? The Ranch. Dutton Ranch. Dutton Ranch. There we go. Excellent. Addictive TV. Steph. What animal have you been watching documentaries about this week? Do you know what's so funny about badges? You know, so we've got you know I went secret life of bees and then I went on to Secret Life of Wales. Right. If they haven't got a secret life, it's not worth bothering it. What they've got now Secret Life of Life of Octopuses. Who has? Who's doing these shows? The Disney Channel is great. It's so good. Not so secret. They've done a fucking documentary. That's the irony. I'm not gonna go into I'm not gonna go into it. But what I will go into is uh this sounds like the the title of the show is just like a rhetorical question, which is Netflix is, and everyone's watching this, Should I Marry a Murderer? Surely the answer to that is just no, move on. No. Okay, so Caroline Muirhead is a pathologist. She'd recently come out of a relationship and it was apparently not very nice and he's obviously a horrible cheat or whatever. And she went on, like most people do, on the old Tinder. Right. And Who uses Tinder? Well back in that day. Oh okay, like the swipe swipe right. I'm familiar. Far too familiar. I think it's entered into popular culture by now, by the way. We we know what Tinder is. Just to be clear. Yes, please, please Tinder explain to me. Anyway. And she swiped on this guy called Sandy McKeller. Okay. And he Yes. And and he was like a a farmer guy. And They met up and they like it was one of these whirlwind romances, right? Is it all told this is a fa it's a famous case, but it's all told from her perspective. And um Basically, he reveals to her that like he sorry, he proposes four months whirlwind proposal four after four months. Love bombing, red flag. Well. And he tells that he's accidentally killed someone and buried them. Where they've been clay pigeon shooting. Yes, I know. It's people are looking for this poor, poor man, Tony Parsons, who went missing in 2020. The former David Murrow journalists. I did notice he'd been quite recently. Yeah. Listen, Tony Parsons, 2017, he went missing, cyclist, grandfather, cancer survivor, like this amazing human being. And These two twin brothers had accidentally knocked him down and and thought that the best course of action would be to just bury him because they were like, oh, why ruin everybody else's lives? Which is ridiculous. Anyway, he admits that to this woman and she starts thinking, hold on a minute. And he's like, I need you to help me because they're they're gonna like start building around this area and they're gonna uncover his remains. And she starts thinking, Oh, has he picked me because I'm a pathologist? Definitely. And anyway, this is all happens, this is this this is out there. So it's not a spoiler. She does something brilliant to mark where this guy's buried, um, she puts a uh she's got a Red Bull can and because sh it's in the vast, you know, the Highlands in the middle of nowhere, and she drops a Red Bull can and she crushes it so she can tell the police, because she phones the police to say, look, I've got some information. She she does the right thing. And this is about how she then has to remain in a relationship with him while they're simultaneously investigating him and trying to get him to confess to this crime. Now. What I will say is and one of my uh pilot Instagram friends, Richard, um had s had messaged me to say, do you think that she's the most annoying person ever? And she does come across as slightly irritating because she seems so pleased to be like, I don't know, it's just it's there's something slightly off about her tone. However, it is very interesting and it is really good like how like Because she loves this person. She's come up. She loves this person. What does she do? She leads she ends up leading this double life. So it's definitely worth it. How many episodes? Oh I can't remember how many episodes I think it's four. Um just about that case. It's about this case and what happens. But it's it's it's worth it's worth watching. Anyway, the other thing I've been watching, which you two will go, mmm, is Running Point Season 2. Okay. Killing people in it. Because when I brought it up the last time you were like, Oh no, I' I only I watched the first episode of season one and I quite enjoyed it, but I didn't carry on. But this has got Justin Thoreau in it as well, of course. It has got Justin True. Now it has got that yes. Now Kay, who I thought would like this, said she didn't like it because she wanted more Justin Threw. And what I can tell you is season two is absolutely tons of Justin Threw. And not only that, Not and this is sorry, if you don't know what running point is, running point is Kate Hudson takes over her family's basketball team and it's absolutely fabulous. But the brilliant thing about season two is do you know who's joined? Ray Romano. Oh yeah. Yes. Everyone everybody loves Ray. And everybody does love Raymond. And he's in it as a coach and it's absolutely fantastic. I I I talked about it as recovery TV, but now I'm gonna elevate it to just TV. Great. Yeah, I like I li I quite liked it. But yeah, I need to go back and watch. It's it's a sports comedy, isn't it? So it's just very much up my street. Yeah, well, yeah, it's really good. Speaking of sports comedy stuff. Yeah. There's something else you've been watching, isn't there? Another sports comedy? Or rather, is it a comedy? That's the question. Tell me. Ted Lasso. No one's been treating you. Yeah. having a difficult time at the moment. Yeah. And I'll tell you why. What season are you on, first of all? I'm assuming the third. No, I'm not. She know why? Because I've had a lot of trouble with Nate. Yeah. And it's I'm finding it really upsetting. Right. The tonal shift is is really proving problematic for me. Okay. I didn't like the beard episode. Right. Right. I didn't like that episode. Yeah, I thought I would but I didn't like that because I loved the beard. There's a bit where Nate is horrible to the Kit boy, and I was like, and and The way that was shot, where it was off scene him being horrible to Kit Boy, I thought, ooh. It was like a dagger to my com comedy heart. I really didn't I just thought this is awful. And then obviously now Ted is is in a state of kind of self exploration. He's having all these panic attacks. And to be perfectly honest with you, it's all got a bit too serious for me. And I don't like it. I've just finished the episode with the funeral. Again, it's all a bit You know, I'm I've come to it for some lols. I've been I feel like they we've been walking along like this and it's yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah and then they've gone bah. Yeah. No, you will you will see the layers of these people and I don't want to. Yeah. Well because the the first season is a half hour comedy and then season two is basically a forty five minute drama. Forty eight minutes. Right, yeah. But and it's a different thing. And I'm not saying it I don't know the exact timeline, but I know Jason Sadekis did spit up with Olivia Wilde during a period of production. I think those two things do intersect to a certain extent. So I'm not saying that's entirely down to his mental state in this, but he's it it is a really somber downbeat season. And I don't think it I mean it does and it never goes back to what it was in season one. Really? It never goes back to that level of comedy. I think it does rally. Like there's definitely and I say rally, I never thought it was bad, but I think you have to accept the evolution of the tone of the show as it goes on, where season one is one thing, season two is another thing, and season three is a third thing altogether. No. So I think you should press on with it just to see how season three treats you. I don't I didn't even like, you know, Hannah Waddingham's character getting together with um Sam. I didn't enjoy that thing, you know, with the te you know, the texting and then they find out it's them and then they they have a little thing and then they break up at the funeral and And then even I really didn't like Jamie Tarr and um Brett Goldstein, you know, they get there seems to be they're about to fight over Keeley, who I love. I don't know, I just I'm regretting I'm regretting the like watching the last two episodes. It's really put me off. Yeah, because I thought I was gonna I love the first season. So I'm you know, I've got two more episodes to go. And I just keep going, Steph. Keep going. I feel it's I don't know, it's it's not giving me the feels anymore. You are not alone. So you're in fairly. It was just weird. It was just a weird slightly weird um what were they getting at? I remember I remember thinking, um I haven't w rewatched or anything, but I just remember the time thinking What are they trying to get at with this character? 'Cause it's such a Such a turn as such a turn. And and and first you think oh it's part of your comment on the the the dog eat dog world of football, you know, which is valid. It is a horrendous horrendous stuff immoral stuff happens. But to choose that particular character was and was was It was weird. I think I think the problem is is that with it you don't actually see any other managers. You don't see the confrontations between any kind of the the dog eat dog world. So you it just seems like nothing. Isn't that the thing he's underappreciated, right? No, he started to believe his own hype. That's what happens. He started to believe his own hype and um and he's just turned into a right old arsehole. And then the thing is they brought in that they've brought in this sports psychologist. And Those scenes are too long. You know, because I you know, a love shrinking and and that's a different show and it feels like they're trying to I don't know. Well interestingly for the for the new season the new suit is coming soon. It's the girls' football. And now I'm assuming he may well get a cameo or wherever, but he isn't um he hasn't been confirmed as being I don't I believe that all the cast regulars are there apart from Muhammad pretty much. But I'm sure he'll appear at some point. Maybe that maybe they're keeping that back as a spoiler. I'd like to know if anyone sort of gave up after season two. I think a lot of people did, yes. Okay, fine. All right. Well I'm not alone then. No, you're not alone. But I do think it's worth like it is worth sticking to. I really enjoyed all of it actually. But yeah, it's a it's a there's whiplash, definitely. I'm not happy. Well what I've been watching is Guess twofold. I have been re-watching some of Dark Matter. On Apple. Did you see Dark Matter? Boidy. I know you did, but I don't know if you finished it. It's a one. Right. So this is another one of their Prestige sci-fi shows uh from I want to say last year. I think it was last year. It could have been the year before. It's really hard to say because time has no meaning and it is a flat circle. It's basically Joel Edgerton is a man who is one night abducted. by a man who looks suspiciously like himself. Oh yeah, that's it. And he is kidnapped and taken to another dimension. Another dimension. Another dimension. Uh and his his double from that other dimension takes over his life and starts to live with his wife and raise his son while he is marooned in this other dimension. And the idea is is that one of them has created this box. puts people in superpositions. So they are essentially like it's a quantum state where you can access parallel worlds. And so there's infinite different worlds that he can go to. And he ends up traveling the multiverse to try and get back to Jennifer Connolly. That's a bit like that Black Mirror episode with what's his name from Breaking Bad? Where there's the two of them they're stuck stuck in space. Do you remember? Absolutely, yeah. Yeah, which was a terrifying. Do you know which one I mean? No, because I don't watch Black Mirror, but yes. That's a whole other conversation. Just add it to the list of great things you doesn't watch. I don't enjoy anthologies. But there's some amazing episodes. Oh, that's the thing that you would really enjoy. Like you'd really enjoy the episode. I agree, but it's it it goes against TV for me is all about long form storytelling, and that is not long form storytelling. Therefore I don't watch it. Uh it's a whole thing. Don't worry about it. But uh one day, one day it's on my list, it's been on the sofa list forever. I just because it's anyway. You should start with that episode because you'd really like that, because it basically is exactly what you've just discussed. It's one TV show that I wouldn't have to start at the beginning, at least. Although I have seen the pig episode. Now uh Dark Matter. Yeah. Based on the book by Blake Crouch. Okay. It's really good. I really enjoy it. Um it's coming back. In July, I want to say for season two. So and but it's also one of these things where it's been a while and because my brain has been Swiss cheesed by doing this podcast and I can't retain information. I I I was like, I can't remember. What's been happening. What other multi verses does he go to? So he's got so many. Yes. He's got Jason Two's verse, because Jason's his name. Okay. That's from that's the one that the other guy came from. And then there's all of the infinite other ones as well. Oh, so it's like who is the like who is the original. Yeah, well and it takes it takes a turn towards the end as well. Like there's a Big old there's some twisty stuff in there. It's it's really good. It's a really good it's a really good show. But I I'd forgotten so much and I was really looking forward to season two. Does Jason too think that he is the original Jason? Well there is no original. He knows he's not where he should be. So 'cause he's deliberately abducted him so he can take over his life because ultimately he made a decision. that he regrets and he's able to reverse that decision by going to and by stealing the life of someone who made the correct decision, if that makes sense. So it sort of does, yeah. It's quite uh it's quite cool. I think it arrived at a time where mul the multiverses were everywhere. Well, Constellation, the new me repass show also on Apple was the same year. Yes. I would tell you got those mixed up. And that's another multiversal. Yeah, and then also in the it was like the Marvel gone down the multi multiverse route. It was just a bit too many multiverse multiverses in. Yeah, it's interesting because you're not a fan of Starting again. Post apocalypse. That's not a multiverse. So a multiverse post apocalypse is fine. Yeah. If there was as long as they're not starting again. I don't know if it was part of like four other multiverses, then I'd be accepted. Oh my god, she's got a minimal multiverse. formula for what is accepted. That's good to know. In Running Point 2, they have this thing where they ha she has these kind of sex streams. Hold on a minute. Hold on a minute. In Running Point has all these uh sex streams about J. Ellis who is gorgeous, who was the former coach. And they're in and and they appear. They're they're in like the set of Dune. And it's really. J. Ellis. Jesus Christ, so June, J Ellis and sex stream. This is this show is world. Jay Ellis. Jay Ellis. Okay, he's a Ellis the actor. He's a great actor. What's he been in? I'll look him up, don't worry. Top gun and whatchamacallit's amazing show, which I can never remember the name of. Right, anyway, she keeps having sex dreams about him. And where she's they're both in June. Wow. I can't believe you you took took about bearing the lead. If you're gonna mention a show that's got any kind of June element in it in front of James, that's the first thing you mention. Forget about the rest of it. It's the June thing. If you want some if you want if you would like to watch some sci fi sex streams, then you need to watch Running Point season two. Okay. Wow. Oh okay. Okay, so that's a thing. I don't know quite how we got into JS, but sure. And the other thing I have been watching is Punisher One Last Kill, which is the one-off TV event, which is not a movie. It's less than an hour, not a film. Oh, is it. And it's on Disney Plus. It is a single episode of The Punisher. So we should be covering it on this podcast, but for reasons unknown, we are reviewing it on the Empire podcast instead. I don't fully understand why, but we are. But I watched it this morning. And one reviewing it. He did review it, yeah, it's true. Bafter 10 days. Oh, don't even start with me. Uh so so yes, I'm gonna go full punisher on that. The next BAFTAs. Um It's uh it's it's quite, I would say, plot light, but deliberately so. So the setup is is the one of Frank's like Frank, a load of killers come for Frank. And so it turns into like the raid. So it's just like in this apartment building and it is so violent and so bloody. And it's mainly just him bellowing and being traumatised and then just murderising hundreds of people. But it's I mean it's great. It's really great. I really enjoyed it. So that was great. And also it's written by John Burnthall. It's written by John Burnthall. So that's um he wrote it. Wow. He's got his finger out. Well, and this is his pen out. And this is an excellent segue to the fact that that's not the only thing that John Burnthall wrote recently, because he also wrote Gary. Yes. Sorry, just ending a section with the word Gary there. He also wrote Gary. The spin-off gorilla episode of The Bear, which I spoke to him about when I interview him and Evan Moss Backrack on. Friday. That's right. And you luckily for you you didn't just say the the two hand uh Gary. Yeah. You said you said Gary, but it was uh explain what it was. Can I come back to J. Ellis for one minute because we should just mention it's insecure. I always seem to forget, you know, Israe's amazing comedy, which is one of the greatest comedy. I recognize it. Yeah, he's Lawrence. Oh okay. Is it okay if if if John and Evan talk now? Is that your introduction? Yeah, you know, we've got celebrities here waiting to talk to the listeners, but you're banging on about JLS. Honestly. Unbelievable. Does JLS know that that's about unclear JLS? Our first guests this week. Oh, John Burnthorpe, the Punisher himself, and Evan Moss Backright, cousin! Uh, which is very exciting because they wrote the surprise episode of there. Gary. Which dropped into our feeds last week, completely without warning. Very, very exciting. Uh fascinated by this entire endeavor, I leapt onto a call with both Evan and John uh to kinda find out how it all came about. So I should say there isn't a spoiler in here for the end of the episode, because some stuff happens. Uh we do talk about some scenes and some conversations. Really a spoiler, but I would say if you want to go into Gary cold, then you know, just bear that in mind. So here is me talking to John Burnthall. And Emma Moss back rack. About. Gary. Thanks very much for coming on the show. Uh and thank you very much for dropping this show. It was a lovely surprise to have in the middle of the week. We should have more gorilla drops from my favourite shows. I'd like that. It'd make the whole week a lot better. It's fun, right? It's kind of thrilling, though. It's great. And I love the fact that it's it's it's kind of its own thing. Like it's not uh sort of episode naught of season five. It's not the end of season four. Like it's its own entity. It's just Gary. Was that always like the plan when you did this? Or did it come to you quite late to sort of do this as a con kind of a gorilla drop? We never really knew I mean because it exists in its own thing and it's not sort of there's not plot points or story points that are need so I we We're never really sure where it was gonna fit. And frankly, we are not allowed to make those decisions. Um I had this completely impractical and romantic idea that I wanted it to exist like a hidden track, like somewhere in season. for season five where like the episode would end, there'd be a credit sequence and then 10 minutes or of a black screen and then this thing would just start. Uh I've probably got You know, laugh out laugh out of the room fucking idiot. Uh and that's so that's I think the spirit of that is why we had it as a sort of unannounced. I think I don't know, people talk about things so much and there's so much VR and so much hype machine that's just to just sort of put something out there feels really um fun and refreshing, kind of in the spirit, the gorilla spirit of the bear. A hundred percent. Yeah, which I think is lovely. And there's uh there's nothing about this whole thing that I don't love, just the whole idea of it, the setting of it. You know, 'cause we've heard briefly about this legendary road trip. to Gary, I think in season three and in season four, I think it's come out. Yeah, like and and was was the was the sort of the germ of that story what what put this this in your minds? Was that the was that the jumping off point? D like did it come out of a conversation about the characters? Or did you guys Literally just like the idea of Working together more. Kinda kind of both, to be honest with you. You know, we we we we really did you know, we went to Chris. We we've known each other a long time. We're we're enormously close. And and uh, you know, the only reason you you know, you know, that I get to come visit and play around on the bear, you know, a little bit every year is because of Evan, you know, he he brought me over there, such a such a gift. And I love it so much. And and and you know, we went to Chris together and sort of pitched an idea. of y you know, just a few scenes to maybe include you know, in this season of of the of the two of us together and and and and and and to really kind of like dig in a little bit to like the friendship and what it was about and and uh You know, then Chris kind of answered us with saying, well, like, why don't you guys just write an episode, which is a a a real testament. the kind of artist he is and and and really a window into the spirit of the show and how it's made. You know, it's it's it's such a collaborative show. It's always such a really like profound, enormous joy for me to to to head over there for a week and then to also watch the show and and and be a fan of the show. Um But you know, I have to say, you know, we came up with this. Uh You know, really with very few bumps in the road. We we we kind of knew exactly what we wanted to do. Again, we know and trust each other really well. Um And and and I I found often, you know, the the the things that I kind of dig the most and and and love the most are the things that sort of come the easiest and and don't have a lot of conflict. We we never were in a in a place with this piece where we were up against a deadline, where we were like, shit, we gotta turn something into. FX, you know, we we kind of, you know, Chris told us, hey, you guys got the green light, and we immediately kind of jumped on it and we had something really quick. And you know, what you saw is what we wrote, and and and and really it it it um we really did not the the the hardest piece of the puzzle was when we were going to do it kind of schedule wise, but We knew what we wanted this to be and and and I think we're both really proud of it. What was your your process for this? Like 'cause I mean you as you say, you've worked together, less you're on the stage at the moment together, right? So like but did you d each take each other's characters? Did you s send stuff back and forth? Did you sit together and do it? Like how did you actually put it together? 'Cause I guess you m both must feel a certain protective Sort of internal feeling to your individual characters when you're doing these things. Yeah, there is a possessiveness of our character, but I think that to John's point, you know, there's a lot of trust between the two of us and there's very few people that I would I'm very happy for him to put words in my mouth. You know what I mean? Like I tr and I trust him and he is a sounding board. And you know, even this this play that we're doing, you know, that we're gonna do in a few hours, you know, uh He's like maybe one of two people that I'll listen to in terms of ideas about things. So Um, but just practically to answer your question really, um We were workshopping this play uh last summer. And so we would go back after rehearsing, we would go back to John's uh hotel room and just uh you know talk about different scenes just have an idea brainstorming and then he had the clerical he's got final draft so he would sort of take all of our ideas and format it and put it into sort of a cohesive acceptable thing I would write scenes but I wrene on like the back of like a a brown paper bag or something and there's and there's drawings on it and it looks like Chris Chris Doroys says that like my notes and my things always seem like they've been like smuggled out of prison. And then and then you know after our workshop ended and we were in different parts of the world, there was just constant um A lot of emails actually more more phone conversations back and forth and ideas and just little and then little screenshots of my prison smuggle scratchings of of scenes. And um and then Chris help Chris had notes for draft and you know um notes from and the network and all that stuff. But again, like John said, pretty pretty painless, pretty easy birth. It's also like fresh territory, isn't it? Cause I feel like because Rich is interesting. He's got the biggest arc of anyone on the show and he's very different when we leave him in season four from when we met him in season one. But where we have him here, he's in a different place altogether, because you feel there's a lightness to him, right? Like there's a there's a it feels like the weight that we're so used to him carrying on his shoulders isn't yet there. So and and Mikey obviously he casts this shadow over the whole show. Like he haunts essentially the whole show. And I wondered, is that, you know, an interesting place to play as a playground? Cause it's somewhere you've not really been able to be before. Oh James, that's so that's such a great question. Um I'm so glad you saw all that stuff. I'm like I'm always interested in in like in like joy, you know, and and you know, in that in that forks episode in season two, you know, when we finally get to see this guy celebrate after he's been in such a tunnel for so long and he sees a little bit of light, you know, and he has this real explosion of of purpose and, you know, and he's singing and he's like jumping and like, you know, he's doing like Street Fighter Two like moves and things. But he um So You know, don't we all want to know like what moves people and what what people are are chasing and what their dreams are? I think that's so compelling to see like. What is your fantasy? Like what or or Conversely, what are you mourning? Like what was this thing that when you lost? your whole life went into like such darkness. Like what was the what was the the sun? What was that? It's very fun to to be in that world. I mean it is fun, but there is one scene in this which I would say is quite hard to watch and it's towards the end when Mikey, let's say, unloads to a certain point, you know, it starts one way and it takes a very hard left turn. And it's it's quite an extraordinary scene. And I wondered, you know, where did you, John, think that Mikey's head was at there? Cause it feels like, you know, it's I think we're three years from Mikey's death at this point, chronologically speaking, but it feels like he's very much on the downslope at this point. Very much. I mean I I I I I I think there's a lot of clues. It's been it's been such an interesting exercise for me over the the you know in these past five years to, you know, again come in sort of for one week every year and you know you know, sort of like be part of creating sort of this buoy uh you know in the water that that that that that kind of tells his story. And sometimes you see this. sort of unbelievable storyteller with this great smile who's infectious and larger than life and the guy you want to be around. And sometimes you see this guy who's in so much pain and so ugly. Um, but one thing that I I I I I'm quite sure of is that uh he knew where he was headed and and and he knew there was really no getting out of it. And um I'm quite certain of that. And I think that that that that's quite palpable kind of in this piece. And I think You know again, what's what's what's really interesting. For me and something that we we you know, we really set out to do and I think was really effective is you know, he You really articulately and and and kind of cogently in that bathroom. Describes. he you know, specifically and perfectly exactly what his kind of ailment is and the way that his mind It you you know, and really he he he he he he puts it out there, he explains his hopelessness that he has this thing and it is never gonna go away. And you know, again, like this this this piece is a memory piece. This is Richie's memory. So did he actually have that conversation with this stranger? Is that the conversation that Richie wishes he had with him? Is it a conversation that uh he you know that never existed at all that maybe Mikey didn't know how to express those things, but Richie wishes that he did. Um, you know, it leaves all these questions. Uh you know, I that's my favorite thing as an audience member and as a creator is to to sort of like ask the questions and don't necessarily answer them. But I I I I will say I th I I think that there was sort of this directive and this thing that we wanted to do because when we were writing this. You know, for me at least it was very much like kind of in the wake. of the fishes episode and Donna's big blow up and and you know there is this sort of like beautiful understated hereditary thing that exists in this this family and this this specific kind of you know psychology and mindset and depression and hopelessness. And uh you know, we wanted it to sort of resemble that in some way, but we didn't want it to be. this major kind of like physical, you know, we did not want it. We'd already seen the car go through the living room, you know? And and and what what we did want to do is we wanted to, you know, through that kind of like scorched earth. You know, metaphor. We wanted these guys. you know, to have words with each other and say things to each other that would be seared. you know, seared into Richie forever and and and and to really dig into the wound of Man, I wish I wish that would have been different. I wish I had never said that. I wish he had never said that. I wish I had said this. I wish I had done this. Maybe I did do something I wish I hadn't done. And and I just know from from losing people, like that's the thing. You constantly ask yourself those questions. And I think that that's what makes the show. uh you know so so so deep and rich is is is you you know they really dig into these wounds. Yeah. Fantastic. Well I mean it the episode really lands. It's a great episode of the bear and thank you very much for giving that to us and for talking to us today. It's much uh much appreciated. Thank you. Excuse me. Right, that was Evan Moss Backrack and John Burnthal, and we move on now to This week's news. What have we got in the world of news? Boydy. Well it was the Baptist on Sunday. Oh God, I wouldn't know I'm just gonna mention a few. There weren't really I would say there weren't really many, if any, big surprises, but there were a couple. I would say in drama series was a surprise. Because the nominees were a thousand blows. Remember the um the period drama about the boxing and the and the women female gang. Stephen Graham, et cetera. Blue Lights, which is brilliant. I had a chat nice chat with um Blue Lights people creators at the BAFTAs. And and told them how much we love the show. Okay. Um which I think they're aware we're aware of as well. Uh the city is ours. The city is ours, which is the brilliant Liverpool Gangster drama was it was really good. But the winner Was code of silence. Remember Code of Science. Yes, which uh to be fair and a lot of our listeners were like, we should have spent more time talking about that. And we liked it, that's not recall. But people thought it was absolutely incredible and they were upset that it wasn't on our shows of the year list. Oh really? Oh this first time I've heard of it. I must pay more attention to the show. Yes, yes, you must. Uh it was the Rose Ailing Ellis anyway thing about where um she used her deafness to help the police lip read um criminals. And it was it was really good. And but I think it was a surprise. I would say it was a surprise that it won. Be all of those. Top level dramas. I mean, you know, I'm not saying it didn't deserve to win, but I don't think it was a surprise. The Thousand Blows has won previous awards, I think won the RTS awards, et cetera. The big winner of the night was of course Adolescence. Of course. Which won four awards. I know that four awards doesn't sound like much, but actually that's the record number of awards on one in one Bafter show ever. So it won three acting awards and it won Best um Limited Drama, beating I Thought the Law, which is the Shotan Smith show, Tressperses, which is the Irish drama on channel four, and What It Feels Like for a Girl. Oh I do love what it feels like. Very good. Um International was good because that had six brilliant shows nominated The Bear, the aforementioned The Bear, um The Diplomat. Our favorite, part of the TV favourite. Puribus. Another part too. Friends of the show. Okay. I haven't watched Pyribus, but yeah. Friends of the show. Severance. Can't can't beat it. Stuff hate it. Everyone else loves it. That's your widow's bag. The the white lotus. You may have heard of it. And the winner. The studio. Oh, of what's the thing. Which hasn't won like more awards than anything in history. Quite right, too. It has it's been the it's something like the most nominated at least um show of the year. And it's and it's doing really well winning, which for f for for a show which is considered inside baseball and for industry, a lot of people say about it, um It's it's it's fascinating. And um Seth Rogan was there. It's Seth then, isn't it? I thought his speech was brilliant. You know, 'cause because w uh but he was also I went to an apple party, by the way, the day before. Just so I didn't see James. This was a BAFTA party. You were invited to by Apple TV Party. This is an Apple TV lump lunch. Right. Brunch. A brunch. Exactly. Did you did you see me there? I didn't see it. Do you know why that is, boy? Why was that? Well I'm fucking invited. I know. Anyway, it was very glamorous. Uh the uh in in uh central and and um he was there. So milling around absolutely world though, yeah, he's fantastic. Um Adam Scott was there from several. Yeah it was he was properly star studied. I had a show I had a nice show of Jim Phil Smith, the the showrunner of um Hi Jack Hijack. We talk about that. Anyway, that was that was at the party. On in the in the actual his acceptance speech was so funny because all the way through people were talking about celebrity and the in the legendary fart. Yeah. Right? Emil Disdaunton. No, Emil H. Celia Imory. Well both great actresses. Celia Emory was in the Phantom Menace. It's the only reason I know. Of course. Celia Emery's there in the in the at the at the Royal Festival. And Alan Carr winning such and Seth Row comes on stage to except and goes and he goes what weird show this is. Half the night has been jokes about that poor actress and her fart. It's like, yeah, this is a very British, unusual situation. It was so funny. The other funny thing was the host, Greg Davis, between you know when hosts of award shows, when the when they invite the people on to read out the nominees and do that whole bit, they then go to the side, right? They stand at the side and they let the thing play or they walk off stage or whatever. Well he did and it was weird, I have to say. He had a seat at the edge of the stage where and he went and sat down. And watch the proceedings of the nominees being announced to the winner be from his little seat. And sure enough, Seth Rogan said, I've never been to a show not an award show before where the host has a little seat. And I was like, Oh right, a little franchise. So then I think he you know I I I think it put put you know suggesting it said that maybe in a future episode of the studio there'll be an award show with someone sitting down. At the side, who knows? Anyway, he was very good. I won't go into all the award winners because James will get annoyed with me and we'll take up too much time. But um it was it was a super fun night and I was particularly overjoyed to see Um, Alan Partridge won, um Steve Cook won for his performance as Alan Partridge in the How Are You is Alan Partridge. And he flew back From filming the white lotus to accept his award and then but sh then went straight back um to to to to um and also he was a guest on this very show I interview him, which is in the episode that went out last week. And he said at the end of that he was jetting off to do the White Lotus. So in the middle of his head schedule he managed to accept his award. And I think he was asked about the Helen Helen and a bonum carch controversy in the press by the press afterwards. And he said something like I'm I'm paraphrasing something like it just wasn't working out. Like he was basically saying. Yeah, agent, a gent as ever. So that's what I'll say about the Bafters. I won't go on too long because you weren't anyone invited. Okay. Did you read that Conan's gonna do the Oscars again? Yes you did. That's good news. That is good news. So ninety ninth Oscars I think it is, isn't it? Yeah. Is it the last one before 'cause 'cause soon YouTube will be t taking over. I think it is the last one before the YouTube Take over of the broadcast. Interesting. Yeah. But yeah, so he's gonna do it again. So obviously he did it this year and uh everybody it it was okay, wasn't it? Even when a a joke a Conan O'Brien joke doesn't quite work, you're still quite happy that he went for it is my feeling about him always. And he does and my hard and fast rule If I have any influence over these things, is every and any old show should be hosted by a comedian. And Greg Davis proved that again, he was funny at the BAFTAs and um don't get an actor to do it. It doesn't never works when you get an actor. One of our great communities. Right, exactly. Um Reacher has been renewed. The main new story, right. Renewed for season five, even though season four has not dropped. Yes. It's dropping soon though, isn't it? It's relatively soon, yes. But uh but we've got you know more reacher. I don't think this was ever in doubt. Like it's a massive hit for Prime. It is like the crown in their it is the duel in their dad core. The crown in their dad core jewel, whatever you want. Uh but yeah, it's I mean I I I have issues with it. I think he is Perfect casting. I think he is great. I think that It needs some script polish. That's my that's my I really love season one, though season one very few notes think it's great. I think season two and season three have both had wobbles. So I'm interested to see uh well didn't I never went oh, you know what? I never went back to season three after the first couple episodes. Did you not? Yeah, yeah. It wasn't it wasn't the best, but I still enjoyed it. But yeah. But excited about this. Okay. Shockingly. We've talking renewals. Harry Potter has been renewed for a second season ahead of the first. Who saw that? I can't. Who can believe it? It's astonishing. Nick Front and Papa Essiadu uh gave away an order to the bathtubers as well, does co-stars of of the Harry Potter um show. Oh, it's Papa Sedo in Harry Potter. I didn't know he was. Is he? Yeah, absolutely. Brilliant, but I don't know because we talked about on this very show. And it's almost like when you're not on it, you don't listen to it. It sort of feels like that, which is obviously not the case at all. Um Nick Frost with a fully cropped head head, which I guess is because he's have the Hagrid Week. Yeah, most likely. Um You know, Else is coming. What The Lord of the Rings The Rings of the Lord. Yeah. It's got a date. It's the eleventh of November. Season three. Boy, how excited are you? I mean, I beside myself. I actually wrote the difference. I wrote that down, November season three, Lord of the Rings, Rings of Which I I have to say I do think it's a strange name. Lord of the Rings, the rings of the Lord. It is, isn't it? There's too many of those. That's why I make I make uh that that I check uh make fun of them 'cause it's the Lord of the thing the thing of the thing. It's unnecessary. Very um new Jewish comedian though. Take an inadvertent impression of Mel Brooks or something. Uh anyway. Have you guys seen the picture of my beloved Glenn Close? Yes. Yes. I was gonna say were you? Okay. Sorry. No. Channel for drama. Okay, so she's gonna be in um Up to No Good, and the channel for is based on Helene Turston's Short story collections, An Elderly Lady's Up to No Good, and An Elderly Lady Must Not Be Crossed, six part drama, and she is starring as Maud. Old Castle and the picture is great. I mean It was originally called Maud. Oh was it? Okay. Looks fantastic and obviously like she's She's a killer, right? Oh my god. That's the thing. Yeah, she looks amazing. Can I tell you the the my do love a chart of a ratings chart. And um the uh American ratings uh Nielsen who don't do all the various ratings. They have a top twenty of you. Do you know what the biggest the most watched show of the year so far is according to Nielsen. This is across all Um networks and streamers and everything. Foundation. Uh K pop demon hunters. No. This is a show series. This is a TV show. T V series. A TV TV the most watched most watched T V series of the year so far, according to a close all. Uh Nice is America. In America. Bridgeton. Close. Bridgerson is number four. Who? Good guess. And this is just this this is so far in twenty twenty six. Yes. Adolescence. No. That was a lot of shit. I think it's new to the sh starting the shear and being on the shear. I'm getting this all wrong. I mean, no, it's fine. Um This is the world's most boring quiz. But His and hers. Oh my gosh. Oh, I agree. I didn't guess. I'm so upset that I did not guess. Yes. James's face. I mean. Thrilling and entertaining. But it does are my close personal friend, John Burnville, but still. Among many preposterous roles. But I love it. I saw this head and I was like, this is so brilliant. We often s well no we often say it I uh think you know what Netflix really, really want is a limited series of the most bonkers crime idea they can possibly think of. And if you and I Steph c try and come up with the most ridiculous scenario scenario That we possibly can. I think we can get a commission from Netflix to do a nutty story. I've told you I'm available at all times to do it. I definitely could. And just to say the other um mentors in the top ten are almost all from Taylor Sheridan. So number two is Marshalls. Number three is Landman. Landman is great. Yeah. And um Billy Bornton. Exactly. The Madison's at ten. Michelle Pfeiffer. Yeah. Um But the other and it's so it's I I find it really interesting what's big in America at the moment. So Bridgeting is number four, Q still absolutely one of Netflix's biggest shows. And you know the other show that's doing really well, which I was surprised about is high potential. Yes. That's very popular. Huge number. It's a decent procedural that is. Yeah. And the Pit seven. Which is which is good news. So yeah, it's and the Fall Out A no I'm doing the whole top ten. Fall out eight. Fallout in my in my mind is a flop. But it's doing well. It's very, very popular. I just don't like it. It makes almost no sense that I don't like it, but here we are. It's a video game. It's a video game adaptation. It's a sci fi, it's post apocalyptic, it's all of these things, but The tone and the retrofuturism turns me off. I don't know what's telling me. Lincoln Lawyer at nine and the Madison at ten. Lincoln Lawyer is good, isn't it? Do you watch Yes, it is Widows Bay. Yes. That's what I'm going to call him now. Every time. Every time he goes against me. Every time I'm wrong about that one. Yeah. Yeah. Lincoln Bay's great. Do you know that one more heartwarming entry in the top twenty I've mentioned is the American version of ghosts. It's a fourteen. And it is. I heard someone say this on the radio the other day, ghost is one of the big triumphs of recent years. And w because everyone was saying the American sitcom is dead. But Ghost, ironically, and you know, unintended, is is a massive hit in America. And it internet become one of the shows that has, you know, loads and loads of episodes every season. And it's you know, it's like that was a lovely, cheap and cheerful six parter on BBC Well there's a film coming. And the film one as well, yeah. Well done ghosts. Yeah. Well done ghosts. What else we got? Ahsoka. We have a date. Well a we don't actually have a date. We have a a vague date. So early 2027 is when Ahsoka Season Two will arrive. That'll be four years. After Ahsoka Ball is my own Ahsoka is a Star Wars show on Disney Plus starring Rosario Dawson as they recommissioned that? Yeah it's but it's coming back. Boys excited. Well I don't think I need that. That's insane. So if you call yourself a Star Wars fan for shame. Don't ever doubt my star. Don't ever, Widows Bay, doubt my Star Wars allegiance. But yeah, how have I missed that? It's hard to say. Um various reasons probably. Yeah. Well anyway, it's coming back early next year. Okay. Uh there are four live action Fast and Furious TV series in uh in the works of uh Peacock, Vin Diesel's producing. Yeah Jesus Christ. Oh people love it. I was only watching the Fast and Furious at the weekend and thinking surely there's another film coming out any second. Well no, I would just say people on the ground, you know, the people that actually are watching television all the time, they love all that fast and furious stuff. Don't they? Four. Absolutely. I'd say bollocks are. They love bollocks. It's not though, is it? It's entertaining. Entertaining bollocks. Yeah. Uh, so Ben Kingsley. Oh yeah, this is good. Has been cast in the white letters? Yeah. Fantastic the cast just get uh it just gets better and better and better. Why do they how w why are they getting all these people, do you think just so much shot, they just want to be fine. This sounds like there's the the number of c star names playing the it sounds like the biggest cost yet of the show because we're used to having what? four maybe four kind of groupings who are the core elements of each what white belotus series. But this feels like it's got about fifteen major cast members. 'Cause another actor was was announced alongside Ben Kingsley, right? In in it's possible. I don't know who it is. No, I haven't got that. Do you know what when is sugar coming, James? The Psychry. Oh that's com coming quite soon. It's coming quite soon. You could watch it now if you wanted to. But you know, it's it's around season one. Oh I see. I'm just saying. I'm not allowed to talk about that. I get in trouble when I talk about watching shows which are not available. Oh good. So I've stopped doing that. Yeah, alongside Ben Kingsley, Maximin Geller from industry. Maxim Geller, who's absolutely phenomenal in industry, is is in it as well. And I think there I've I'm thinking it He might w must have seen him in industry 'cause he's so good in the series. He was one of the real like, he really drove it forward by being the absolute maniac that he was in that show. So yeah, I'm excited to buy that. What do you mean I can watch it now? I don't know what you mean. Sorry. It means on the Apple TV preview. I don't have that. Oh yeah. Yeah. Oh sorry. I forgot you uh you were one of the uh for the seven hundredth time, I do not have V IP Apple previous. We're banned from talking about this. This is like a taboo subject 'cause it upset people. I don't like us talking about the screening portals. I'm never gonna mention it again. Never. Never again. Let's move on. That was the end of news. I think we're done with that. Uh should we have another guest? Let's have another guest because next up we have the unburnt, queen of the andels and the roinar and the first men, queen of Marine Khaleesi, a great grass sea, breaker of chains and mother of dragons. Or just Amelia, as she prefers to be known. Uh Amelia Clark is, of course, the star of Ponies, which we're gonna talk about in a little bit. And it's a seventy set Cold War spy thriller. Uh well, kind of like a comedy thriller, to be honest, that sees her thrust into the secret services after her husband is killed in Moscow. Now, Amelia Was in about an hour sitting boily right where you are now. In that chair. First of he anything about this. This is why he doesn't get a w invited to the Baptist. And he does his secret special superstar interviews behind our backs. She came in to see me. I don't know what to tell you. And I was in and you didn't even say, Steph, come down, we've got a meeting. It's true. He didn't want you there. Yeah, that's right. That's it. That's it. We had a lovely chat about ponies and game of thrones and all and and and Colombo. And do you know what she brought up? Do you know what she brought up? Murder Shiro. Oh my gosh. You know what? When this is finished, you and I can have a little chat. Are you calling off that a rewatch of Anyway, uh this is me chatting to Amina Clark about And not crucially. Gary. Well Amelia, welcome to the show. Thank you very much. This came out Quite a few months ago, didn't it, in the States? In the States it did. So were you thinking, I'm kinda done. My publicity's finished, my tour is finished, I'm free. Well, I yeah, I did I did wonder. I did wonder. But no, we did the we we did all of the America press and then I went to New Zealand and shot a film, came back. Two. UK pressed the ponies. Yes. So it's quite lovely. I've had a deep refresh. Yeah. And so it's quite lovely now to go to to talk about this again. I'm back in. Well actually I was gonna ask that, like how do you ever get used to the publicity circuit of this? Because it's a very different job to your main job, right? Actually, there's a totally different skill set. And then if you are, as you were, kind of thrust into something huge quite early on. Yeah. That's a baptism by fire, isn't it? It is, but somehow I always felt like the press was what I was good at. Good struggle in the acting and be like, put me on camera. I can have a chat. Um yeah, I'm just I like talking. So it's never and And it was always it I like people I like I'm curious. I w I wanna have conversations with people. So it ne for me, press never felt intimidating. Right. I mean you're lucky. Deeply unusual. I mean like obviously when you've got like the very serious press, it's a different thing and you get more and more used to it. Yeah. But then there's there's so much pressure when you're filming something. When I was younger, there definitely was. You feel so much the weight of the responsibility on your shoulders and it is serious and it is important and it is difficult and you've been up since three and it's hard. And then you get to do That's just nice. We can do a minute. And you're like you're walking into someone else's place of work. And you're sort of the novelty for a second and then you're going to go home. So it's I've never yeah, I've I've I've always had a nice time doing press, which is very weird for an actor. But also it's lovely to have the variety. Because I imagine doing press with something like this is a million miles away from doing something like Thrones or Star Wars or Marvel, where it's a machine. Yes. Yes. And like 30 publicists on your every word to make sure you don't say the wrong thing. Exactly. Exactly. Yes. But I'm also someone who does sort of say things without thinking. It's the best kind of interview, isn't it? Yeah. Publicist is like, uh, too late. She's already said it. I can't stop that. But no, the nice thing about this is unlike those big juggernauts where no one person in any of those projects is bigger than the IP itself. This is something that is created by people I love. Like now I love them and now I've known them. We've worked together and it's and they asked me to come on and be a part of the creative process. So it feels You sort of I don't know, it's it's it's wonderful to be able to talk about because you're like, Oh my God, this thing that we made is now being spoken about and people are watching it. And how wonderful is that? And it feels like you make a difference, like you're actually kind of getting people to watch it. Whereas I guess with the big machine, it's less about the people than as you say, the IP kind of sells itself. Exactly. Where was with this, I'm like Pop it on in the background. Just keep it on me. It doesn't matter. Just play it. Just have it be streamed. But the most important thing about this project is twofold. One, you shot in Budapest. I did. How long were you that for? Six months. Six months. Now did at any point during those six months you make the obligatory pilgrimage? So the Colombo statue. No, no. I'm sensing no. Oh my God. Does anyone know that there is a bronze statue of Peter Falk scratching his head with dog life size two scale in the middle of a street. Just in the middle of the six Columbo jackets in my wood. Literally to the point where I'm like, where's that Columbo jacket? Like that's how I My Nan used to watch him all the time. You missed a crack. You could have taken a picture with Peter, sent it to your nan. Oh my God, she's no longer with us. Well she would have approved if you had. She would have approved. Yeah. It was that and murder she wrote. Oh fair enough. That's incredible. But also the story of it is so it's on m uh hang on it is on Mixer Falk, sort of Mixer Falk Street. Okay. And Mixer Falk was a, I believe, a Hungarian uh politician. And the only thing he shares with Peter Falk is his surname. They're not related, they have nothing to do with each other, but that is the statute that But I've that's been the best great tourist attraction. I'm wondering if I have seen that section. I thought it was a Hungarian politician. Maybe, with a dog. Yeah. But actually no, it's Colombo. So Really? If you ever go back. You definitely do. You definitely do. But look, but You did a little TV show that very few people had heard of called Game of Thrones. Yes. That was about uh what seven years ago that that all finished? Yeah it was ten years. And it the last bit of it was for me the last The last Emmys was two thousand and nineteen. Right. Because we probably wrapped in two thousand eighteen. But it was ten years of your whole life, taken up on that. And that's a lot of commitment, which TV can be. Yes. And obviously you've done secret invasion since then, but there must have been a point where this came in along along and you're like, this could go. On and I could be doing this for a while. Yeah. No, d I this was this was Ultimately an easy yes, but I took a really long time to say yes. Yeah I literally like no stone was uncovered. I really and I'm a thinker. I like to I'm not my reps probably hate it. I'm like, no, but let's talk it, let's talk it through one more time. Yeah. Because it just felt like such a yeah, a big undertaking of like, okay, they're asking me to lead this TV show, this ongoing TV show. I know those hours. I know the commitment well. I'm so happy I did. Yeah. Yeah, I really am. It's kind of it's also one of those ones where you're like, do the thing that scares you the most. Yeah. Oh, absolutely. And this feels like that. And it is a very different thing being on people's TV screens than being in a movie. Whilst everyone can watch that movie on their TV, it's still a completely different thing. This, you know, you've just got more hours with people. So there's a kind of And which again is something I'm used to from Game of Thrones, but it just This felt right. It just like the timing, the subject, the whole thing. Just felt like the right thing to do. It's the it's the parasocial thing, isn't it? Where like in I think in cinema these people kind of that you're on the screen, you're off the screen and it's like a fleeting moment. And with the T V show, you feel like you know these characters, you live with these characters week in and week out. So it's quite an intimate, quite intense connection you have with an audience. Yes, it is deeply, deeply. And this You know I'm I've got a little more screen time and bonus than I did in Game of Thrones. Um so you really are seeing quite a lot of me. Um and the relationship with Haley. And so and so I feel like the audience has more access to me as a person. My act you know what I mean? I'm obviously performing and acting a role, but there's a lot more of me. in it, which again felt scary. But you got a choice, didn't you, of either of the two roles. Which is unusual, I would say. I know. I think they were like You can have a choice. She's going for B. You know, like it was sort of a like B's who we thought you would want to be, but obviously you can have the choice. And I d again the with I'd got along to the no stone unturned. I was like, Maybe I'm Twila. Yeah. Maybe I'm Twilight. And then after that tenth person was like, Baby go, you ain't Twilight. You weren't tempting to go. You know, well fuck you, I'm playing Twilight. No idea. That's what made me be like, you know what, maybe I can. And then I spent some time reading Twilight's lines. And it was like, for the sake of me, just do it. Just play B and then. It was like as if I could have ever played Twilight B is absolutely the one. Haley didn't need to learn Russian though. So that's a big tick in the homework column. Big tick. Yeah. No, she was very she was always like, Wow, how'd you do it? I'm like I know. I should have paid twelve. Um yeah, but yeah, she she got away with not speaking uh she knows she had one line. Okay. Yeah. But but you're not just speaking Russian. Like you are passing for Russian to the KGB. So from a Honestly, from an accent point of view, that's a lot of pressure. You know, I'm I'm Amelia playing an American. Playing a Russian. Playing A Russian you know what I mean? Pla I mean a playing character that speaks Russian but then goes on to pretend to be it gets confusing. Yeah, I can imagine. Yeah. But I mean When you were doing that, like how much of it do you actually absorb? Like, could you have a conversation, no matter how surface level in Russian No. Not at all. No. I would I would understand more than I ever had before doing this job. Before it would be Word sounds. And now I can recognize you know, we're walking around London, I'm like, Oh, they're Russian. I think I got the fourth word. Interesting. You know, or I'm watching the Americans and I'm like, ah yeah. I know what you're saying. And that can kind of bring it all back. And it seemed like before we did ADR for this, um, which is you know when you How do it's playing any idea. When you go and if any words need to be re-recorded for whatever reason. It's often quite a lot. Season one of Game of Thrones, the whole thing. Um literally the whole thing. And so um When I'm doing that and I'm presented back with the lines, it comes back. Just without even thinking. But me sitting here talking to you and you're asking me to speak Russian, I can't. Yeah, I can't lapse into Russian, but if I could, I would now, just to test you, obviously by constantly. Yes. Yes. Yeah. So if you had to have a conversation in Russian or High Valerian, you'd you'd lean towards Russian. Mm-hmm. Well, I think I made up High Valeria. You could get away with it, can't you? I didn't make up High I didn't make up Hiver. Um U Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Do you still remember it or does is it s like the Russian, is it seared into your brain? There's again, if you were to sit me in front of myself, which would take a lot, um I would talk along with it. Yeah. So do you never watch yourself then? Uh I watch whatever I do once. Really? Just one time. Unless I have to like When we did Star Wars we had like a bunch of premiers and it can, you've gotta you've gotta sit there. Oh, you can't just go off and get a coffee. No, you gotta sit there. There's a camera on your face. Right. And I was very tired. And I had seen it four times. And I was getting to the point where I was like, Don't fall to sleep or camera, don't fall. It's gonna look really bad. Yeah. Yeah. No, that's entirely fair. Uh but no, I d I I don't see the need to watch myself more than once. Okay. Okay, interesting. Once, make sure it's okay, move on. Exactly. Yeah, got it. You mentioned the Americans. Great show. So good. Thematically similar to this, totally worlds apart. Totally different. Which I find really interesting. Because I love the the era setting of that show and I love the there's something about Cold War, espionage. So juicy. And it feels to me like it's it's almost like it's almost like fantasy because it feels so unreal to us. Exactly. Yes. But what I like about this is A, we're in the heart of it, we're in Moscow, KGB are everywhere. But also it's the tonality of it because it I wouldn't I hate labelling things, but I wouldn't describe it as a comedy. No. But it's really fucking funny. But it's lighter. Yeah. And The Americans is not a comedy. There is no new There is no funnies in that. But this really has It's just it's there's just it's just kind of the most enjoyable type of storytelling because it's like It's like when you think about the movies of the two thousands and they're like capital M movies, you know? And they have everything in them. You're laughing and then you're crying and then you feel something and then you're oh and it's just it there's just so much in it. And I feel like ponies is the T V version of that. A hundred percent. And so got to agree. I bore people rigid about this all the time, because I I don't enjoy comedy. For comedy's sake, because I find comedy in isolation artificial and a common. Yeah, which is slightly different. Yeah. But like a comedy story doesn't feel real to me. Whereas if you look at all the great comedies of the eighties, they were all dramatic at their core. Yes. But really, really funny with it. Yes. It's called Wonder. Absolutely. There we go. Everything Eddie Murphy did prior to comedy films. Exactly. Yeah. Less said about that, the better. But uh but this really has that. And I kind of was curious how you go about playing that. Because the core of this is I guess not to play comedy, it's to play it straight. Yes. And let the comedy. Love. There is nothing more delicious as an actor than playing straight. Yeah. When you know it ain't straight. Yeah. And especially when Hayley and I have what we naturally have. Like I think Haley and I in life are doing this. But you serve it up a little more for the k for the for the camera and like you're it you're in internally I'm like, Oh, I just gotta keep this straight and it's gonna pay off so good. And you sort of know it and it's just it's just the funnest the funnel to play. Does the comedy like can you see it on the page? Or do you feel it in the room? Or 'cause sometimes comedy doesn't come back till the edit, you know, like it depends on. Susanna Fogel and David Iserson's the show runners and creators and writers of the show Susanna Director of the first couple of episod the first episode and the last episode. Um th uh they are funny. They're very funny. Is that on spy comedy before? Yes, they have indeed. And they have a like dry sense of humor that's closer to, you know, a British sense of humor and there's Again, it was just it was written in a way that I was like, I know this, I'm familiar with this. This is something that I understand comedy's all in timing. Yeah. And if you nail that timing, then you've got it. And we were part of a very funny in in life, the cast had were laughing more than anything else. See, it's interesting to try each other up to that comes across because Adrian Lester, who I love him. And that role We came Daddy Dane. He was the daddy of the cast. But he again he's Absolutely deadpan. He played straight more than anyone. And we literally I did everything to try and crack that man. Everything we would try. It was like that's why we called him Daddy Dane because he was the dad being like deadly serious, being like You are souls. I have five pages of dialogue that's all like spiel that I have to get out, and you lot are trying to crack me up. He just would never coax. It took it, yeah. I mean if you ever did manage to corpse in, then then you'd feel really bad, but it would be really, really funny. But it's lovely when you can have that, I guess, isn't it? Because you were cast I mean, because you have the choice of rollers a fair bit before Hayley. Yes. Presumably her casting must have been, if not stressful, a little bit make or break, because I feel like It was that body is the core of the function. Absolutely. No, no, no. And we felt that. And we had this list of people. I'm sorry to say, yes, Hollywood, there's a list. There's a few lists. And uh Hayley, we were thinking about people and different people, and then that was that one Zoom call that we all had as Creatives and then I think it was o I think someone sent it over our group text. And it was like Absolutely, it was almost like a light bulb came up over everyone's head. Divine intuit like of course there is no one else that can play this part. And so from that moment on, I just I'm I'm very intuitive as a person and my guts just know immediately. And that was one where I was like Absolutely the only person I want to work with. We're gonna be friends. That's it. Yeah. Yeah. Sold. Yeah. I just knew she was perfect for it. And it yeah, so it kind of it it felt quite kizmitty. I'm curious like your relationship with B and how it kind of evolved as you did the show because the nature of I guess a film is you kind of do your prep, you know your character, you make the film. Yeah when you do a TV show because it's so long form, I imagine your relationship with that character kind of evolves as the story plays out. And like how you feel about them when you sit down to shoot the first scene is probably very different to when you wrap the season. And how did your kind of journey with her? change during that? Well it really did. She was incredibly naive and innocent and blinkered, I would argue, because she hadn't had a huge life experience. And as these experiences happened that were big and dark, it was galvanizing from a confidence point of view. So I was joining her there and that like feeling more confident speaking Russian, feeling more confident. doing this show. Um, and so that definitely changed. And then I like where it's been left, no spoilers obvious, but I like where it is at the end of the show because I think it allows for a continuation of that energy, which Then I get to do something I don't think I've done before. So that feels very good. But really, it's just such a beautifully Um crafted plot. Like, you know, we were talking about like Capillaire movies and and the whole the I think one of the biggest reasons why ponies work so well is that they've Very, very well. Um Plot. the journey that they they they they you know they they drew a train journey and they were like, hey, get on board. And you just follow you it's just inevitable where it sort of ends up going and allows for all of these different humorous moments and sad moments and emotional moments. But the core of the truth that it gets to is Kinda profound and really relatable. And the fact that that core truth is happening ultimately between two women in a female friendship, that feels Juicy and new. Yeah. Do you like when you when you leave these characters behind, obviously you say goodbye to them, you must miss them, but do you carry the any of these characters with you? And does your relationship with them change in retrospect? Obviously the narrow targetarian being an example. But your relationship with that character looking back on it however many years later must be very different to when you were in the Thick of it. Surrounded by dragons. Absolutely incredibly different. I mean Game of Thrones lives in its own universe for me. Yeah. Like there's there's Game of Thrones and then there's every other job I've ever done. And they're very different things. Yeah. Uh and then if you do a play, that is where I find it difficult to to leave the character. Like when I did the Seagull, I literally mentally had to like put her in bed and walk away. Covid helped with that at one point. Indeed, yes, exactly. Exactly. Like that was a character that just I mean, when you're doing that full play every single night for eighty-five shows, that's a lot. Whereas when you're doing TV and film, you're filming out a sequence. There's sometimes it's a short shoot, sometimes it's a long shoot. frustratingly, so much of what I do, it does echo where you are in your life. That's what you're bringing, that's what you're relating to, that's what you're attaching yourself to. That's like where your in order to and your ultimate objectives are coming from from an act of view. because that's what you're experiencing in your life. So it speaks to you so when I look back at these characters, I'm looking back at younger me. So there's just You just gotta give us some grace and kind of I don't I remember fondly, but Game of Thrones that was It's impossible to It's imp it's impossible to not see my experience on Game of Thr to not feel like my experience on Game of Thrones as one huge thing. Of course. It sort of it comes as The whole the whole experience. And still I would argue that right now that whole experience is still too big for me to C. And you only watched it once. And I only watched it once. Yeah, maybe. Watch Game of Thrones. Incredible. Well, I've got to let you go in a second, but one thing I did want to ask you is this. Obviously you learn Russian for this. That's one for the CV. Job done, brilliant. High Valeria and you got that as well. Yes. practically useful thing. Because I feel like this, you'd m probably pick up a bit of spy craft. Maybe you'll use that, maybe you won't. Is there anything you've learned practically that actually you're really glad you now have in your as anything. Like what is it that you for a role that you've you've What skill have you gained? Well I thought I could ride a horse, but I can't. Really? I really got film horses. The Dothraki would be furious. Yeah, they would be mad. They would be super mad. But I gave them dragons. That is true. That was an upgrade. Um there's some I don't know, I did a lot of jobs using guns and I don't like that I have that knowledge in my head. So you can feel feel strip an M16. Yeah, pretty much. Like for real. There you go, exactly. So that kind of scares me that I know how to do that, but that is genuinely a skill. Um Oh man, honestly, it's just it's... The skills that you really get from filming is Being around that many people. Yeah. Keeping a good attitude and getting good at your acting. And getting good at The thing that I feel is genuinely most useful in my life at this point, having done all of these different jobs, is Truly understanding What a camera seeing and when and what How someone is crafting a piece of work, judging by what angles we're using and where and where we are like really understanding that. That's kind of I'm at that point now where I'm like, that's Fascinating and useful and good. And you can sort of just feel it. So yeah, getting better getting better at my actual job. I mean that's a useful thing to take away right. Yeah you may wish I knew how to actually write. You may never need to jump out of a window and land into a bin, but actually you will need to continue acting. Exactly. Exactly. Fantastic. Well Amelia, thank you very much for joining us for the show. Thank you. Thanks so much. That was Amelia Clark, and it is time now for this week's reviews. And we won't begin, I don't think, with ponies. Let's begin with Falling on Channel Four, which is Puppet SEA do challenge Andrew Scott for the title of Hot Priest as a sexy, so sexy man of the cloth. who falls unexpectedly in love with Keely Haw's hot nun. Uh, this is written by Jack Thorne, friend of the Pod. Jack Thorne, who as we know has been on the podcast literally hundreds of times. Isn't that right, Boyd? Yeah. Um and I think this is Friend of the Pod. I think this is his first romance that he's done. I think so. Yep. Okay, Boydie, you are our very own man of the cloth. So did you fall for this? I did fall for this, spoiler alert. Going early. In answering your question, not just not stating with the partner. Um This is just I mean, fresh from his Triumph in Babies, Papa SCA do can do no wrong. Can we just say Is he ever not brilliant? Like literally in anything. No. He is honestly he's on my like my he's fast becoming my favourite actor. I know, but I hate him a little bit because he's so good. Oh he's a And it's just it's annoying. Oh yeah. And in this, sorry to take over slightly. He's doing sign language. He just casually breaks out the BSL. The emo the emotional depth that this man can get to Anyway Carrie. Also I'm just gonna I'm just gonna ask this question like He he may be the hottest priest. Oh. The hottest priest. It's a big thing. Sorry, Andrew Scott. Well he's the hottest content. I would not I would never say that fully, but he's definitely a strong contender. With Andrew Scott, yeah. Carry on point. Absolutely. Jack Thorne of Adolescence, Lord of the Flies, Toxic Town, His Dark Materials, etc. Very busy man, one of our busiest um TV script writers, but because he's so good. Um and so in demand. But this feels like a real yeah, a really different kind of show for him. Um and it is, as you say, there's even like a meet cute because um Papa S character, um who is a man of the cloth. He gets help from um Keely Hawes, who is a nun. Hot nun. Hot nun, exactly. And um part of me wonders whether I mean did you you interviewed Jack Thor, didn't you? But did you ask him about much about this show? No, we didn't calling at all. Right. That's interesting, yeah. Because I'm brilliant. I'm a great journalist. Yeah, I mean, yeah. It's almost like you didn't know it was coming up anyway. It but it feels like They're two such brilliant actors and these are two such fantastic roles. And then you feel even though writers very rarely do this, we should write four specific actors, but it feels so much like they have because these are two blockbusters. She's one of the great, you know, actresses of our time. Um and she was brilliant in The Assassin, probably the most recent thing, right? Which is season two, I think being filmed soon. Um, and he's fantastic in everything as we've established. So but they're absolutely fantastic together and there's an instant you get that instant frisson. of excitement bet between them. And of course she being a being a nun in the middle of this Abbe Abbey, or Abbott with an abbot above who is judging all the other um sisters or if they do anything exactly. We should say a Roman Catholic Roman Catholic. So she's not allowed to have any kind of canoodling of any kind with anyone. Hot priest or not. Hot priest or not. He arrives um and he's immediately obviously sexy, sexy guy. And um she cooks him some scrambled eggs and it all it all goes off from there, really. Celibacy out the window. Yeah, scrambled eggs, oh my God, delicious. Um there is Lish bit where she says, So here's my cabbage. It's all a little bit carry on. I love it. But what it feels like 'cause it's 'cause it's Jack Thorne and he's so brilliant. It's like there is subtext into everything that's going though they meet it feels like immediately um love or lust at first sight more for these heavy rel heavily religious people. And it's an exploration of what happens when heavily religious people fall in love just like that, or at least But from her side to start with, she absolutely kind of is open about her feelings. I'm trying to spoil it now. Um whereas he's slightly I think he's slightly more taken aback by the whole idea initially. And you're wondering this is gonna play out over six episodes, by the way. Um and you you're you're kind of wondering how they're gonna go negotiate if they really are if they really are is this kind of spark between them, what is gonna happen from there. It's such a fantastic it's the simplest of ideas, isn't it? What would happen if if this kind of thing happened to highly religious people. But it's just fascinating from the off. And it's so it's it it so feels so real. It feels authentic every step of the way. kind of criticisms of them is is that n o not only are they often formulatic, but they kind of have to be. You know, it's like Boy meets girl, whoever boy meets boy, meets boy, whatever way way it is. You throw obstacles in their way and in the end you have to have the happy ending of them getting together. That's just the way it works. And within that, there are so many contrivances of them within the this particular genre of of a romance. that it kind of makes it feel unreal for me. And I I always think, Oh, it's too contrived. You can tell the machinations of the writer. Because this is so skillfully put together. And s and written by Jack and so brilliantly performed by the by the two main main uh roles. You just go along with all the different twists and turns that this relationship takes. It's fantastic. I've given it five stars in Heat magazine. That's how much that's. A review or a preview? It's it's a review. We're allowed to check it, I believe. Yeah. I may I if I've spoken in the uh embargo then that that's all me. Um so I think it's fantastic. They're both absolutely brilliant in it. Love the chemistry between them. It's phenomenal. Can we have more of that kind of almost like Victorian like uh ecclesiastical flirting where it's like, would you like to uh Take a look at my flower beds. Do you know it's good. This is Beautifully stripped back. romantic story. And it's and it I I mean The clue is in the title. It is it's kind of this slow burn of of lust and love between these two people is so incredible to watch. What I think Jack Thorne, I love that Jack Thorne does, and we saw it so much in um um Lord of the Flies, is he's this great architect of light. He uses light so well to convey emotions, the accompanying emotions. Like there's scenes where she's looking out um into the fields, you know, uh of of this nunnery. And just even the way that he uses The light coming into the nunnery and the way that the the birds song. Sorry to interrupt, but a lot of that is down to the director. Been on this podcast. Been on this podcast, who directed the Last of Us best episode. Right. And It's a Sin and the next Russell T. Davis show Tiptoe Coming Soon, which will be revealing on this book because he he's the director. I think he is a lot a lot of that is down to Credit where the credit's due, but obviously Jack Thorne amazing. The writing is incredible. I love that. I love uh, you know, I don't think it's a spoiler. No, I don't want to say that 'cause that might be a spoiler. But yeah, just the how you how the feelings within her develop this kind of quiet storm um and how how she's dealing with it. She goes to confession and it and it takes her by surprise, but she's so devout in doesn't want to further be she just needs she needs guidance. She doesn't know what to do with these feelings. And as she says she's never felt like this about anyone before. The way she confesses how she feels is also just it's so the vulnerability is it's so well written. It's just Gorgeous. But yeah, listen, if there was Anyone in the world that would make you want to run off and join the church, it is Papa Space. Run off and join the church. I think you mean the opposite. You have to run away and leave the church. And then leave the church with him because God, he's so delicious in this role, isn't he? He's no Gary Neville. He's no Gary Neville. He absolutely isn't. But he's yeah, the fact that he the I love the fact there's sign language in this in this show as well. He's with his sister in law in the house that he lives with His his eyes. There's something about the way that he eye acts, which I know is gonna sound strange. Do you? Yeah, some brilliant face expression reacting from the nuances of those um reactions. Exactly the nuances of those scenes are so it's it's so special. I really, really love this. It was It was beautiful and I really enjoyed the pacing. After watching like we watched Man on Fire and we did that for a pilot plus spoiler. Um and I watched a few fast paced things with the disappointment of Ted Lasso's tonal shift. This was lovely. It was just exactly what I needed. It felt relaxing. It felt you could really like dig into it. And yeah, I I like I love the fact the fact, you know, the talk of faith in it is really interesting and how you kind of d understand how she she got into becoming a nun and how she was so she's been so she's been a nun for twenty years and how's and there's another um there's a she's got a postulant. And there's a bit of an issue with a postulant gets a phone and how she deals with that and postulant like a training wheel's nun. Sorry, a training wheel's n Yeah, a training wheel's nun. Um yeah. I I I have no notes this I thought was wonderful and like As you said, the casting is just exceptional. Everyone in it's great, but it's really beautiful, slow slow paced, deliberately slow pa paced, because obviously it is six episodes, but you will fall in love with falling. This on the face of it I would say is not a show that I would have necessarily added to my watch list. Right. Not enough multiversal action, wormholes. JLS aren't in it. JLS are not in it at all. Like there's a lot here that I just wouldn't really na necessar gravitate to. Now obviously you're gonna say, hey James, you're in the pocket of big thorn, because you spoke to me the other week. Uh I think I think safe. I did not enjoy I would just say so. But I I look I have a kind of soppy streak, so I have a real thing for like a really well told. Thank you, Steph. Uh it is true. And I love a really well told romance that you can really sink your teeth into. And this is a hundred percent that. As someone th with a theology degree, I find all the kind of the ecclesiastical trappings quite exciting. And I just say it's one of my favourite things you've ever said. Someone with a theology degree. Well what I'm saying is I spent a lot of time studying this kind of area, so I'm very familiar with all the bits and bobs of it, and I just like I I find the I find something quite comforting about like even as a as a raging atheist. But I really I really enjoy all of that. And There's something about this that just really even for the introduction of Puppet Etioty's character, where he's smoking a cigarette, leaning against his car, and he makes his kind of cheeky joke comment to the RAC man he turns out. Genuinely funny. Like he has this kind of wry, self-deprecating, but knowingly cool priest thing going on. He's not a fusty priest. He's like, he's clearly a young hip cool priest. Sexy priest, a very sexy priest. And so you immediately warm to him. He's immediately funny. He's incredibly charming and disarming. And then Kitty Hall's nun, Anna, has this really, you know, almost like again, quite disarming, almost like awkward, bumbling, terribly British, like apologetic, like, but also playful and cheeky and a little bit flirty, but in a very chaste way. You know, not just innuendos about flower beds and cabbages, but Yeah, there's just something about it where you can feel The frisson in the air, as you said, that you can feel the sexual tension. And You can see how it fundamentally just throws both of them because I have no idea what time because people talk about oh the thunderbolt love of th whatever Like thunderbolts are a thing. They're rare, but they are a thing. And the the fact that they're both just smitten. from the minute he sort of grabs her hand. And it's just uh yeah, it It really, really had me and I only had time to watch the first episode this morning. Uh so but I'm definitely gonna watch the rest of these because it's great. I really nice. I do, yes, it is true. When it's well told that again. Also very well caught. I will say. It's brilliantly cast. Yeah. I think Papa in particular is. We've never had him on the podcast. If you're listening on, I know you are. Are you sure about that? Okay. He may have been on thousands of times, much like Jack Thorne. It's hard to say. Uh no, do you we may have had him on. I have not spoken to him. You may I think I have. I'm pretty sure I have. We didn't have him on for the Lazarus Project. No, I don't think Uh Did we? It's hard to we had Joe on that road definitely but as much as this is enjoyable. This is on their own. We don't know. Maybe we have, maybe we haven't. Anyway, Papa, if you're listening, come in studio. Let's talk let's talk Catholicism and Frox. Let's talk the frocking. Let's talk Catholicism and hot nuns. Yeah, let's do that. Falling then, channel four. Oh, um channel four, Tuesday, the nineteenth of may two thousand twenty six, nine PM. Nine PM. A habit to get into. We're saying. There we go. Okay, next up we have Ponies, which is an acronym for people of no interest. And this one, which you've already heard about, to be fair, from Amelia Clark. So you don't really need to hear about it again, but it debuted on Peacock in the US in January. Only just made it to these shores. But as we said, it is it's got Amelia Clark, it's got Hailey Lou Richardson in it. Got Adrian Lester in here, as Neophyte spies in Cold War Moscow. Um Steph. You strike me as someone who wanted her parents to buy her a pony. So Will this suffice? Wow. Random. That's all I've got. Right. This I kind of started and I was like, oh I'm not sure whether I'm gonna like this. I d I'm this seems a bit confusing. This whole concept seems a bit strange. I don't know whether I'm gonna like it. And it started and it was all bit desaturated and I was like, Oh I don't know I don't know about this. You don't like desaturation? I Can I tell you something about desaturisation? Please do. I mean, colour me intrigues. Nice. Right. When things are desaturated. Now don't do that thing where you just go, Oh, Steph, it's just so silly. It makes me want to rub my eyes. What, like they're not working properly. Just because it just yeah, it doesn't I don't brilliant. Do you know what I mean? Does that make any sense to me? Why are the colours not working properly? Yes. It doesn't it makes me really want to I don't I don't I don't really enjoy it. I like vivid colours. Yeah. No, okay. I know. It's not that I can't appreciate it. Oh, that'd be terrible. That's why I like June. Anyway, right. So The story is fantastic. So you've got these two women that are brought together. Their husbands are in the CIA and they're brought together because is it a spoiler to say what happens to their husbands? No, I think it's the setup of the show, it's the set of things. Okay. So their husbands And they're bought. Carry on. Is it a spoiler? No, no, you're all good. Um Jill was talking about. Psychopathy of the They're brought together, James, Widows Bay. They're brought together because their husbands um have died. And They want to get they want to be they want to find out what the hell happened. So Hayley Lou Richardson's character, Twiller Hasbeck, and Emilia Clark's character be uh brought together Em Amelia Clark's character Oh, she's a bit like you actually, isn't she? She's like super clever. Yeah. She's like super clever. She speaks Russian, she knows everything. She's a bit y she's a little bit, you know how. I mean, okay. You know, she knows loads of stuff. Yeah, and Hayley Lou Richardson's character is a bit like me. She's like curly haired, not quite sure, but she'll give it a go. She' I think she's got uh she's she's uh rather more aggressive, I would say, than you are, Shah. Uh like you don't generally call people bitches quite as often to their face. No, that's but you know. But anyway, they kind of they sort of team up and they are given given a mission and it's how they adapt to their sort of new life as, you know, integral to finding out what happened to their husbands and they the Basically, the CSI don't the CSI? The CSI. Not to be confused with JLS, which is of course completely different. Yeah. So CI CIA don't know the real the true reason why they want to be part of it. They're like, Oh no, we can be really helpful. We know you know. So yeah, I mean it's it's a bit of a caper, isn't it? Of um, would you say? Is that fair to say? Yeah, yeah, I think so. It's a bit of a caper. Um, and I really enjoyed the scenes of Russia. I don't know, is it it's not Scenes of Russia. I I really I went to Russia as part of my uh Yeah, I I was part of my master's degree, James. Master's degree. You've asked with publishing. I've got a degree in psychology and a master's in publishing. Why would you send to Russia though? Well, I tell you what, we were sent to Russia really interestingly to go and meet the ed the editor of Russian Vogue. That is interesting. Right. No, and then We were also supposed to go to um Forbes magazine and we couldn't go because something happened and then there was later a bit of a possible murder anyway. Someone was murdered what you were tracked down by the F. Russia it was fantastic. But I really enjoyed going to Russia and you should be doing your own Russia set trip crime thriller. It was really exciting. And then yeah then we went to St Peter's money. So I love I love all the the Russian Vista. It's beautiful. Really, really nice. Amelia Clark with Haley Richardson, they are a fantastic together. Um they just work. They just work as a duo. Um you know, the the the the comedic bits work, the aggressive bits work, everything in this I think works and it's And it's really incredibly enjoyable. It's not it w I wouldn't say for me it's a must watch. It's just something that I enjoyed whilst watching it and I would watch it again, but it's not something I absolutely have to watch. But I do think Amelia Clark is fantastic in it. Yeah, they're b they're both really good. Um I think it's all about the tone of this of uh this show, isn't it? Because it's um It's quite jaunty. It's kind of taking but subtly jaunty. Like it's not it's not it's not Heavily heavy air quote comedy. No no no no. It's just very funny. No. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's funny. Well the thing is very much my sense of humor where it's drama, but it's loads of deadpan dry humour in there, which I find very funny. Whereas you know I have the whole thing about the City comedy. Silly comedy. Yeah, it doesn't. Well I would I'm surprised I'd say very. Very funny. Well it may be laugh. Okay. Well I think it was funny. I think you're compromised. Do you think it's a good thing? Yeah, apparently. They're probably the same person. Well no, he is a bit like that, you know, he's a little bit. Trying to be compliment. Compliment. Yes. I I yeah, I don't see my supposed to be. So I but I I like the tone. I think that I think it worked very well. And I would and and I think, you know, the reason why you liked it so much, James, is because yeah, it manages to be funny. And humorous. It m it gets it gets comedy out of the situation without but main while maintaining an authenticity. Avian Lester in particular is very funny. He's good. Yeah, he's really good. I mean he's great at everything that he's in, isn't he? I'm really taking issue with the very funny? I've already taken issue. Oh she's coming for me. Oh no I agree with you. It's not very funny. She's just like running. You didn't even smile during Widow's Bay, but this this has you on the floor. I've misspoke. I like I would say it is it is consistently amusing. Is that musing. Consistently amusing. I I would agree with that. Yeah. For me, that's high praise. It's fairly amus. Um That is it it's it's a difficult trick to pull off because you're still dealing with death, right? They're dealing with the the deaths of their husbands and that you know, one of them was more into it her husband than the other, sure. But um you know, it it manages to make that The interactions convincing and their response to this this apparent tragedy convincing. Yeah, I mean one of them's a proper grieving we're doing the other one's really kinda couldn't give a shit. No, exactly. Yeah. So it did does all that really well. And and and you're right, the the the whole milieu of Russia in this period is very it was all also feels very real as well. And what I liked about it is the whole premise in a way is all of these shows normally, you know, the John Le Carrie stories, you know, we had the Secret Service recently on IT V which you two didn't you know didn't write. But That was an example, you know, you know, of of a story with a woman at the centre of uh of it, trying to say what's going on. This is with two women at the centre of the of the story trying to work out what's going on and trying to get to the bottom of various mysterious elements. that they are they're thinking they're uncovering. And um I thought that as a as a premise worked very well, particularly when you've got these two brilliant two, isn't it? Yeah, these two are really, really good together. So I really enjoyed it, but do you know what I got to the end of episode one and I thought I don't really need to carry on. Oh see, I did carry on. To be fair I had to do an interview, but I was genuinely enjoying it. So I enjoyed it a lot, uh absolutely every step of the way while it was on. But as soon as it was over, I didn't go, Oh I must find out. I think it lacked that final hook. Yeah. I agree, I totally agree. Look, no, she's brilliant. She's brilliant, she's incredibly watchable. Obviously we know she's an amazing actress. Um and and they both thought Helly Lee Richardson is abs is equally as good. But there isn't you're right. There's nothing addictive in this. If you think about I I I would compare it slightly unfairly, but I'm going to anyway, slow horses, right? Slow horses, which also does the comedy sp espionage for brilliantly. It's that it's that The storytelling in that show, every single season so far, is been so clever in wanting in absolutely becoming addicted to each plot line and each subplot. It's so gripping, it's so exciting. This hasn't it's got a similar tone and a similar thing going. It's a similar tone. But it doesn't achieve that narrative thrust that just very high particular. Oh I know I know, but do you know what I had I interviewed the Rifles people this morning soon to be heard on um on the podcast Pilot Plus. And they were talking about how in this day and age in the pressures in the streaming world you really have to make your thing a Plus plus plus. You have to m go further and further and further and make it as good as you can and I just think this is mid tier. This is mid. I agree. That's what I'm saying. No, no, no. It's this it's not there isn't there isn't there isn't something at the end of this that makes you want to find out what happened. I don't know whether it's that you don't care about their relationships enough to care about why their husbands were killed. Maybe you don't they don't have a you know, there's not enough scenes with them. I don't know what it is, but there is It's not surprising enough. That's the thing about it. This kind of genre I think relies a lot on surprises and twists and turns and things like that. This feels a little bit un wanted a little bit more of that kind of thing. I wish a personal partly a personal Um preference. Yeah. I would say just to go all widows by uh the first episode is very set up heavy. Yeah, true. And it does find a rhythm more as it goes on. How many episodes have you seen? I've just seen the first three. Oh but um suddenly he's watching loads of episodes when he's got a meeting cloud to talk to. But but I think the the the success of this, the core of this is that Haley Lou Richardson and Amelia Clark have incredible kind of crackling on the screen. But it's because it's this is a mismatched buddy show. It's not a buddy comedy, although there's comedy in it, but like it and it's their relationship and the fact that they're so different, but they clearly get on very well. And they are perfect foils to each other. It just makes it inherently entertaining. To your point, you are right. I think the the kind of superordinate. Espionage plot. I mean is it within a hundred miles of slow horses? No, absolutely not. Um but it I mean it's very hard to because they these are obviously based on individual Mc Heron books, which are all precision crafted. I would say this has a decent storyline as it goes on and the KGB get involved and and you know. What happened to their husbands? You're absolutely right. I couldn't give a shit. I couldn't give a shit. They care, I don't, whatever. But that's not why I'm telling you. Yes, I said. I couldn't give a shit. No, but I don't think that's the driving thrust of the narrative either. I think They're as they kind of get as because it's all about them being women, obviously as spies, is such a wild thing at this period in the 70s that no one suspects them. Hence the title. No one suspects they're spies because they're just heavy air quotes women. And That's really interesting sort of thread to mine in this 70s setting. But also as they kind of grow into their roles, as they embrace what they're doing, their different, you know, feelings towards it, like B has an agenda, she wants to know what happened to her husband, but she's also incredibly smart and she speaks Russian and French and a variety of other things. She's very competent, whereas uh Twila doesn't, you know, she speaks American, you know, she's like and she has no real skills, but she has no fear at all. She's incredibly, she thinks on her feet, and she has all of the kind of self-confidence that B lacks. And I think the two of them together make a really fun pairing. And whenever they're on screen together, they're just fun to be around. Whenever Adrian Lester's on screen also fun to be around in a very different way. Um for me that's the hardest thing. I think they're a magnetic screen pairing. I do I do really think that. But I just think I I think the story is not there. Yeah. Widows by Widows. Yes, yes. Uh it's a lot of fun. I think it's great. Uh it's a lora, lora fun. Can I ask one question though? Yes. Because I'm on the pedantic um uh mission to that. Ponies should it because it's an acronym, should it be all uppercase? Yes, it should. Yes. Oh okay. Is this is this for the magazine? Yes, it is it is it is all uppercase. Okay. Ponies. Right, Ponies, which drops on Sky and now as a box there, all in one go. When boy Friday, the twenty second of May. Friday two thousand twenty six. It's on Sky Atlantic live at nine o'clock. that night. Super. Mm-hmm. else is out this week that we've singularly failed to cover because of the multitude of embargoes. There's so much out this week. It's fucking ridiculous. There actually is. Alright, I'm gonna go through from from the list. We have Deep breath. Um Jack Ryan. Which is a film, kind of. It's like a one off singular dramatic event. That's on Prime on Wednesday. Uh we've got Tom Clants' Jack Ryan Colon Ghost War. Drips off the tongue. Uh Maximum Pleasure Guaranteed with Tatiana Maslani, which is on Apple Tv Plus, that also airs on Wednesday. Are you right? But I it's always plus to me, boy. Uh or at least it would be if they invited me to their pre bapter drinks, which they didn't. Anyway, anyway, let's move on. Let's not get distracted. They don't like you. I mean this is clear right. Okay. So that we're gonna cover on Pilot Plus on Thursday. We have got the Burrers on Netflix. Yeah. I've watched that. Thursday. Thursday the twenty first. Steph's watched it? Steph, Steph me review it for me with your eyes now. Interesting. Okay, right, we will talk about that probably next week. Uh what else have we got in here? Two weeks in August on BBC One. Yes. Saturday. Saturday BBC One, very exciting. Um Jessica Rain, Damian Maloney. Nicolas Pinnock. Um Hugh Skinner from twenty twenty six, Layla Farzad from IH Su great cast. And um we we not trivial. Embargo right embargoed. Also embargoed, Dear England, also on the bee. That's on Sunday. Absolutely. That's the adaptation of the play about um uh Gareth Southgate, England manager, played by Joseph Fines and um Jody Whitaker plays the real life psychologist. change the England team's um practices and I ensued them for this very podcast this week. So that'll be coming out next week, I think, hopefully. And yeah, that starts on Sunday on Baby's one. Okay. Excellent. What out of the only two shows we reviewed this week is our pick of the week? Falling off. Of course. Falling. I enjoy ponies, but yes, I would agree it is falling. You enjoyed the very funny ponies. The very fun the hilarious one might side splitting stuff. Side splitting. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Okay, that is it for this week's show. If you'd like to leave us a review, please do so. Or you know, some kind of scathing complaint about whatever it is we've done wrong this week. Now for those of you who do watch this on YouTube, I hope you are currently looking at us. I have no idea whether you are or not because the cameras have been utter twats of late. So I like jazz hands. I did jazz hands because I did go on to the YouTube comments to just say, look, it really we do find it incredibly annoying when the cameras don't work. We you know, mostly me because I do put on a bit of lipstick just before As do I. And um Just in case we're on screen. So yeah, it is annoying. It really annoys us. And as I said in my comment, if James had any hair, it would all be gone because he caused it. It's been very stressful. It is. It has been very stressful. Uh but we are, I'm hopeful, I've been actually monitoring it as as we've been doing the show and it seems working. You can't tell 100% until we've finished. So you know, but hopefully this will all be on The uh the tube. Okay. As it were. Um yeah, and follow us on the social media. We are at pilot TV Pod. We are YouTube slash pilot TV Pod. If you want to watch us, see our lovely smiling faces. 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