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Jelling off for a fortnight in Greece with two weeks in August on BBC One and falling into a big black hole in epoch hopping sci-fi La Brea on Sky Plus. The notorious RTD himself makes his triumph and return to this podcast, chatting all things tiptoe with Boyd. I'm James Dyer and welcome to Pilot TV, your essential guide to every show that matters. And joining me as ever are my two long suffering co-pilots, Boyd Hilton, Steph Sean. Now, long time listeners and indeed viewers if you're watching this on the YouTube, uh will be aware that Steph often has, shall we say, temperature issues with the pilot TV studio in that now this is true Steph you generally find it far too cold in this room as a role. Yeah. Now As we sit here in what can only be described as liquefying temperatures. Boys, is it hot? Uh I'm fine. I think it's fine. Boyd is fine. How are you? I am of the temperature that I need to be to sustain life. All this atmospheric chat is not why people have come to this podcast. No. We should we should make that very clear from the get go. Uh we are not going to be chatting about the temperature in or out of the studio. We are in fact gonna be talking about TV. Specifically what we've been watching on it. Boydy, we're gonna start with you this week. What have you been watching on the television? Every week of recent times I've been giving an update on Euphoria, my hate watching. You have yes of Euphoria. It's not a hate watch, I'm exaggerating. Um it's a watch watch. It's a watch watch. But I have explained uh regular listeners will know I really loved seasons one and two of Euphoria when they're uh at school and they're all growing up and they were youngsters and they were organically Connected by the setting. And now this sprawling morass that is season three, we've reached the penultimate episode, which just went out this week on Sky uh HBO Max. And um It's getting better. Like it's not annoying me as much as so the first few episodes which critics were sent for review. really irritated me because it just felt exploitative, it felt leering, the the camera, you know, kind of focusing on the all the strippers and the and everything. And um Sidney Sweeney's body is I mean every inch of Sweet Sidney Sweeney's body. Oh I mean Yeah. Extraordinary, the whole the whole setup. But it's and the other thing about it is for me, the whole thing now. is a is like a sub Tarantino gangster movie of an eight hour, roughly eight hour length. Well you look the funny sailors. I know, but he's what I call bewilderment tennis. Where he goes Right. Yeah, that's it. Where I'm just looking between you with a vacant expression on my face. I'm interested. I am. I I'm interested. Anyway. Your eyes are telling a different story, right. So it has World descended into Rue. The the main character and the writer of the whole thing's in day is character. Who and I'll tell. The whole thing is elevated by her presence. She is so brilliant. She's great in everything from Spider-Man. And she has such a now he's looking at your interest. It's quite disconcerting. Superhero attention. Anyway, she's brilliant. And like the end of I read this at Yes. Can't say who. No spoilers. I'm not who, there's no. Yeah, there's a bath in the season in series episode seven. Anyone who's been on social media will know who it is. No spoilers. Right, exactly. No spoilers. And then the the previous episode she was in a seemingly um life ending moment herself. Spoiler like she survived. Um but every scene with her in it, even if it is got like a strippers in the background in in in entirely naked or whatever. She's still absolutely phenomenal at holding your attention. She's such she's the beating human heart in the middle of what I think is often a bit of a soulless viewing experience. Um so she's brilliant. She's completely It's all about will she or won't she's got got this c complicated like if she's working for a drug family and the guy who runs the strip club and she's betraying one or both and she's working with the police undercover. It's actually got to the point where I I actually don't no longer know it w w or if she knows who she's working for or what. Maybe that's the point. I don't know. I think Sam Levinson, the creator, writer, director, who absolutely is all over this every single second of the show is down to him, basically. Um It's like almost like a sadistic joy you took out of torturing this character, um, who he won't mention. Um So have a lot of negative thoughts about it, but it's also undeniably stunningly well shot. I listened to the Brays and Lis podcast, which I mentioned quite a lot, and he he took has talked about how he loves the show and he thinks it's by far and away the best thing on TV. And that Sam Livington's a genius. And that it's so cinematic. It is cinematic. Or all doubts supposed to be dissipated by the fact but for me I know there are other shows that look stunning as well. In fact, one we're gonna review next week, probably. Um and They're better than this. So I think that for me the the stunning visuals don't detract enough from the issues I have with the show. But Having said that, it has got better as the show series has gone on, and I am fascinated to know how what they'll do in the finale or how they'll wrap it all up and whether there'll be any more of the show. Because I mean think about it, how hard is it going to be to gather these huge stars. Because they're getting bigger and bigger and bigger as every time they do another hit movie. Sidney Sweeney alone. You know, it's a very busy. She's a busy lady. Yeah. So and not and Zendaya, of course, herself. So I feel like Zendaya is uh she's now she's going into her Oscar era. Do you know what I mean? She's I think she's gonna be stepping away from it. That film that th that they did recently with Rob with Robert Patterson. The drama. The drama, thank you. It's no doom part three, but yes. No, what is which they're also in together. Exactly. Um so yeah, mixed feelings. It would be good if someone else was watching it. No I don't mean here in this room, I mean in i it feedback in general shade at you. No, not at all. It but genuinely, because I I could only do a spoiler special with on my own, you know, at the moment, if any of the uh any other, you know, people are watching it out there. Um But it's fascinating. It's a fascinating slice of of t it shows you what tele how far television has watching it. Don't think so. Because it's so extraordinary visually and and it's so lavish and it is expensive and it's all up there. Sharon Stones in it had a really good interesting role. Um that makes me want to watch it. She's great it, by the way. She plays a T V um producer. Uh, who's tr who who um Sidney Sweeney's characters kept trying to get in her show. And it's like, will she give up her OnlyFans? There's a really funny scene. So that I'll give you this is the fun my my favorite scene in the whole of the series is Sidney Sweeney has been given a dilemma. She either quits her OnlyFans account and gets this role in the a proper TV drama, a cop show, or she retains the OnlyFans, which she's making a lot of money out of. doesn't get the role in the T V show. And she's literally sitting there with a laptop on her bed with her finger points going which was w Will I delete? Will I delete? And it's actually really funny. And she does it really well. Um I won't reveal which decision she makes. Oh no. So yeah, it's a r it's a really interesting slice of popular culture though wish More people in my vicinity were watching that discuss it with it. Okay. If I wasn't in if I was about to say I'm banning you from watching this. If I wasn't in a deeply committed relationship with um James as we launch uh pilot TV podcast The Dutton Brahma. Doing the buttons. And that Blue Show which came out of the year. We're doing yellow We're doing Yellowstone and we'll we'll hear nothing of it. Yeah. Don't you come for yellowstones. Yeah. And I had to send James a really aggressive text message yesterday. Because if you subscribe and if you do subscribe, that means you'll have listened to possibly mine and James spot a special yellowstone because we have decided to go and start watching it five years. But um behind it. We are we are doing a a kind of a Yellowstone segment now on Pilot Plus where Steph and I are making our way through the entirety. Are you gonna carry this on because five seasons about a thousand episodes? Because spoiler for the spoiler special, somebody somebody watched not just the first season, but then went midway through the second season and I only watched it as we agreed to watch the first feature length special. So do you know what I did yesterday? I said so anyone is just saying, if it is the last thing I do, I will finish Yellowstone before you. Aggressive and it was meant in an aggressive tone. And then do you know what I did last night? Watched four episodes. Four. In your face. Wow. Okay, but that's to be discussed on on Violet Plus. I mean I I mean I'm just horrified by the whole thing, right? But what I will say is Casey's body count is going up. It's extraordinary, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. You won't know what we're talking about in the show, but if we get a lot of it. It's funny because we've gone from every all our listeners complaining that we don't cover enough um of that show. Of Taylor Sheridan's show. Generally, his whole UV. His whole universe. Um and now it's half the podcast every week is gonna be now we're obsessed with it. Yeah, because now we're watching be basically Beth and Rip of Dutton and Raj, their origin story, which is unreal. Can we I mean spoiler for the news section, but Dutton Ranch has done exceptionally well. People love this shit. They love it. It's great because it's amazing. Yes. Anyway. Second on my list of things I've been watching. This is annoying. This is a show that we could have reviewed. Well no, actually it was embargoed. It was embargoed until the day it came out, which is actually today or tonight or tomorrow on channel four. Make that movie. This is a comedy. You know Sam Campbell, he was in Taskmaster, he's been on Hunter. Yeah, yeah. He's be he's a he's like a uh he's an Australian comedian. With quite a kind of um idiosyncratic um delivery, if you like. Like he's quite odd eccentric little guy. Little guy I've no idea. Just gonna give that a number quite. Yeah, yeah. Do you check fact check me on that one. Thanks. Uh but he's very funny. I've always found it very funny. And um he was really good on Taskmaster and um he was hilarious and would I lie to you. Anyway, he's got this show, Make that movie, in which he plays a successful film director. who's taking part in a reality TV show to go across the country, to go across the UK, trying to find people who want to make a film, have an idea to make a film, and the and those the winning entry will be make that he will make the film, if you like. So it's like a kind of It's a film about Him finding people to make a film. It's a TV show. T V comedy about a fake an invented imagine there was a reality show in which you try and find people with ideas for films and and that one of them gets ended up being made. Okay. Um it's quite funny. It's so it's a lot of like his eccentric crew and him and and they meet all eccentric people, there's a lot of ex eccentricity going on. But it is funny. It's very funny. He's really good in it. And um yeah, I would I would um recommend. Warmly recommend. Make that movie on channel four. And that stars five foot nine inch. Five foot nine, really. Normal height. He gives off little guy energy. What can I say? I can only apologise. And finally I wanted to mention Race across the world. Now it finished a week ago. So I'm listeners, if you haven't caught up with it, if you don't know who won, just Tune off for about a couple of minutes while I 'cause I have to give props to the winners. Okay, I don't know who won, but I'm gonna allow you to come on, go to the wrong. And you haven't caught up yet. Oh my God, how many times have we table and I'm going to committed relationship with James. We're watching Yellowstone and I cannot let him finish. I cannot let him finish seven seasons of Yellowstone before we're fighting. Yeah, but we've been we've talked about we're gonna do masters, aren't we? I watched it this morning before work. You can't do all the spirits. You promise me. You promised me that you were not gonna watch any more on the spoilers. You did. You told me I wasn't allowed to finish season two, or no or did you say I wasn't allowed to move beyond season two before we do the next one. I'm not pausing all the stone watching. Your spirit told me that you were not gonna do it. You you, we're breaking up. I'm okay. Steph, you have to live up to the brand. That's all I'm saying. Sorry, Boy. That's all right. Anyway, race across the world. Yes. If you haven't for some Godforsaken me, if you're a fan, you will have watched the finale over a week ago now. I need to say that Joe and Cush the young guy. I love that and they win. Oh I'm so glad they won. They are the best people ever to be on the show and this we're now in I don't know five or six series of normal baseball so there's also the celebrity version. They're what I hope all young men actually really like. I I'm being absolutely serious here. They are an absolute inspiration. They're so lovely. They're so lovely. They're so emotionally honest. Um, you know, but also emotionally intelligent as well. They're so like, you know, can I just mention my one of my favourite bits. Sorry, I know I'm I'm not overtaking this. One of my favourite things is where they have they make a big deal of having the dilemma about whether they're gonna lend the the father the money with a very call and they're quite rightly they but they feel they don't because it's a game, but they wrestle with it. And he was like, Oh, I just feel like we should have given them the money and then they don't. Anyway, carry on. But there's an extraordinary moment which is in the forest somewhere in the like an ultimate episode of the one before where they ha talk about mental health. And it's really it's like almost like you could cut that scene and show it to schools up and down the country to show it to show it to kids who are having a tough time. Yeah. They are absolutely and the way they profess their love to each other as two best friends is incredibly moving. So it's so and they and they did win. Spoiler. Yeah, so they sh I'm so happy. Yeah, it's fac and their the whole their response to winning is magnificent. They're what's happened, you know, I've seen them interview a couple of times on different shows. after they won. It's it's genuinely brilliant. They they are literally like hope for a new generation. If you're a grumpy old twat like me and you think, you know, you kinda watch Young men particularly. Yeah, and you think yeah, they're They're not all in the Manosphere are they? No, absolutely. These two are completely not in the manosphere. And it is like wouldn't you rather be like them than those fucking idiots in on in the manosphere? Yes, you would, if you actually watch them. So yeah, props to Joe and Cush for being the greatest ever winners, I think, across the world. Okay. You go catch up on iPlayer. Catch up on eye. Yeah, you sh you need to. Okay. I mean I have to find time between your eight and nine episodes of Yellowstone. I will not lose to James Dyer. I cannot it cannot happen. Fair enough. So I think we all know what you've been watching. I mean no, you don't because you only watched the first fucking episode. Admittedly you did watch a few more last night. I watched four. Yeah. Okay, that's that's not that game. I mean, obviously for those of us who just steamed through the first nine and then went straight on in season two, this is, you know, not a great achievement. But uh, you know, well done. This is this is like this is like a this is like a marriage now. This is what's happening to us. It really is. Okay. Oh, the things awaiting you in season two, I can't even tell you first. Void Helly. Specifically for that. It's called the Dutton branch. It's called the Dutton branch. It's quite it's quite it's quite an adventure. Let's just leave it at that. Okay. Well actually I have watched something else. Um and it's a crime thing. I know. Shock. Are you in in your role as editor of Crime uh Crime. Crim Whitle magazine, I believe it calls it. Crime Monthly. Yes. So Listen, you may not know Steph isn't the editor of a magazine called Cri Monthly Most. I'm just gonna say because How often does it come out, Steph? Someone took issue once with it being call Crime Monthly and I really wanted to say to them I didn't name it. I wanted Do you know what I wanted it to be called? I wanted to be called Infamous. Right. That's what I wanted it to be called. Infamy, infamy, you've got it. I wanted it to be like the Empire of the Crime Magazine World. Infamous. Right. That's what I th yeah. It's a good time. I like it. Right, okay, it was a good title. Then I had to go into loads of meetings and they were like Oh, he doesn't want to sell blah blah blah. And I was like Well why don't you just call it like cr something like Crime Monthly? And they were like, Yes And that's how it's called Crime Month. So it was your fault and you missed it. Crime Monthly's origin story. Right, anyway, but Obviously I love crime. Now, this is number two. Just to clarify, you don't like committing crime. Well, I don't think you do. I am very genre of true crime is my back. Yes. Okay, so this is number two on Netflix, okay? Films. It's very good. It's called The Crash. It's a film. It's a film. It's just terrifying. Oh no, it's not Ways. Shall I talk about the films I've seen this week? Actually it's not a film 'cause it's a documentary, so it's not. It's a one off documentary film. It's a one off documentary film that's on TV. A one off documentary of feature length. Feature length. Yeah. Right. No, it isn't. It's a TV thing. Okay. Right. McKenzie Sherilla. It's called The Crash, right? So I've written a lot of features about this case. It's it's absolutely fascinating. The reason I want to mention it, because I know Two crimes not everyone's bad, but this stands out as is the case of a young girl when she was seventeen and she's involved she's the driver and she's involved in a crash with her boyfriend of four years and his best friend. And the boyfriend and the best friend are killed and she survives. And I don't want I want people to watch this because it's absolutely fantastic documentary. That's on TV. Um The reason it's so fascinating is because obviously when this first happens it's a a horrendous tragedy. But what unfolds is Did she actually mean to kill these people. Okay? It's a it's a must watch if you have if you love true crime at all. It's great. That's the thing I've been watching amongst watching my beloved Yellowstone. Any other films, Boyd, if you watch any films this week you'd like to talk about? Right. Okay. Good to know. Yeah, no, I mean I've seen lots of films, but Well, I have nothing to contribute to this segment because the only thing I have watched. is a heroic amount of yellowstone. Which I obviously addressed at length on Pilot Plaza. So if you want to hear about my adventures in Yellowstone on the Dutton Ranch, then uh that is the place to hear it, I'm afraid. Um but yeah, I I I got sucked in. I got lassoed. If you want to. Is this how it's gonna be for the next like you know, five years? It's possible. No, because we're gonna finish this like I think we 'cause now we're in a race. Right. We're in a race. We're gonna find it race across the world. So we're gonna finish it quite quite quickly. I think by the next pilot plus I'm gonna finish I am going to finish season two, which is where James is gonna stop because he's promised. Okay, yes I know. I have agreed that I will not go beyond the end of season two before the next part of plus recording. Maybe as we know your agreements are worth it. That is true. That is true. But I'm gonna try and stop at the end of season two unless it's a really good clip hanger. No, I mean I mean I will absolutely stop. I will stop at the end of season two. Yes. Well, he is Yellowstone. Yeah. I should also mention, by the way, I've just forgotten. By the time you're hearing this on Monday, the Champions League final will have taken place. Oh God, he he couldn't get we need to time for how long it takes him to get A word out. If I'm not going to films are not allowed, then football is definitely not allowed. Well no, but I'm just saying but realistically I've also spent an enormous the amount of time you spent watching um that show. I keep forgetting the name of that show. I can't say yellowstone. Yellowstone Yellowstone. Yellowstone. Yellowstone, Yellowstone. I remember the Dump's and all that, but Yellowstone. Anyway. You are definitely the Jamie of this podcast point. Oh God, and he We all know you want to make a spin off in a show. Yeah. Yeah, this is gonna be a subject. All I can say is I apologize. No, Lee died. Lee Dave Annabelle dies in the um in the first thing. Dave Annabel who Kay loves from Brothers and Sisters. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Come come do you do you fancy coming with us on the Yellowstone ride? I don't know. Come on, it's a good catch up. Saddle up a horse, Boyd. Join us. I've never got enough time for that nonsense. Um Yeah, I've spent most of the week watching um uh the coverage of Arsenal's triumphant week and um lifting ch trophy lift. Uh that happened last Sunday Christmas Pass and I've just been watching relentlessly on a on a loop and endless series of our store celebrations. So that is genuinely what I've been watching. Have you been watching any of for all mankind in time for the spoiler special that we need to record imminently? I could say yes, but it would be a lie. Right. Boyd is officially disinvited from the sport for for all mankind. Yeah. So for all mankind brackets but not Boyd. Uh okay. That's right. When are you doing a fam special? We are in fact there is a fam interview with the showrunners happening today. We've just gotta work out when we're gonna r record our bit. So uh as soon as we can. Yeah, I'm not going to be able to do the weekend I'm in Budapest for the When are you leaving for Budapest? Friday Friday afternoon. Okay. Back Sunday afternoon. I think you're gonna see so many famous people as well in the stands. And I would like you to make a list of them all. Let's get back to the T V podcast we're supposed to be recording, I think. Uh and should we segue into a listener question? That's a bell time. This one comes from Stuart. Stuart. Stuart says HiPod team. The wonderful don't get too familiar with Stuart. Thank you very much. Who is the best Sue? Stu from Family Guy is the best you. No, no, neither of you watch Stu. No. Or this Stuart. It's Stuy from Family Guy. Stuy, yes, it is. So he can't love it that much if you don't know the character's name. I thought you didn't like it at all. I don't, I hate it, but I know the character's name. Okay. Anyway I've said Harlan is my kryptonite, but that's a whole other thing. Anyway, anyway, Stuart says, not Stewie, not Stu, Stuart says. The wonderful Hannah Fry, mathematician and the rest of science co-host, has the actual quantum computer prop from the Alex Garland show Devs as a chandelier in her hall. Did you know this, Boyd? No, until uh until uh you forwarded us this email, which has a picture of it. It is It's inclusive spectacular. It's in her hallway, hangs up the stairs. It's the computer. From there. And it's a chandelier and it looks magnificent and I want it. I don't know where to put it. How did she get a hands on it? I don't know that I know. I think she explains that in the podcast. I think she does explain that. I can't remember. The rest of science but uh I mean it's it's it's a pretty good Okay. Anyway, anyway, Stuart goes on to say. It is a long story that she ex that she explains on the Rest of Science podcast there goes. So there's a plug for the rest of science. Uh my question to you all is what TV prop would you most like to turn into a piece of home furniture slash art? Boyd, if I feel like you can guess the the T V prop. I would want in my house to turn into something. If you know. Is it the wire sign that that says Yellowstone Dutton Ranch and you'd have it over your front door. No. Boyd, tune in with me. Think of all the things I love the most. What would I have in my house? What do I love the most? Oh, is it Angela Lansby's typewriter? Yes! You are my best friend. I know Steph the best. Yes, 100% Angela Lansby's. Murder Steph Rhodes. Oh my God. I'd have it And you know what I'd do? I'd make it into a lamp and then I'd when and I'd have the typing bits to turn it off and on. The typing bit. The typing bit. The key called the keys. Yeah. I'd be like professional writers, Def Sealance. Yes, the typey bits. Yeah, the typey bits. She had an old school typewriter. Actually, I'd have that thing that you know the th the thingy. The thingy to turn it on and off and I'd be like Ding. Okay, that's that's a good shout. I can totally see you with that. How much would you pay for it if it came up for auction? I would pay I would pay a thousand pounds for that. Wow. Yeah. Splashing out. Yeah Yeah. James, do you know that we're totally like James and I are so on a vibe now because of the Yellowstone. Yellowstone has brought us together. We are like one person. Horrendous. Good shout. Can you top that? No. Um I mean I would have either a Dalek. I'd like quite like a D Where would you put it? Dalek. I haven't got Yeah. More than a TARDIC. Yeah. It's uh it's between the TARDIS and the Dalek. I think the TARDIC is harder to it needs more space to the dark. But you could put things in the TARDIS. You can't really put things in the Dalek. Well you could you could kind of hollow out the make it like a drink's cooler. Yeah, exactly. People have done utilised it. Do you think R T D's got one of those, like a dark in his house? Um I think he might have a dark in his garden. Yeah. In his garden. I think so. I know someone has But with like busy Lizzie's sticking out the top of it. Yeah, that kind of thing. Um I can tell multi stuff. Um Matt Lucas had a TARDIS um once at one point. I'm sure he's still got it. How would you get rid of it? How did he get the TARDIS? Um I think he I think he got it on an auction. Yeah. I think there are a few around. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it certainly hasn't been until recently, yeah. But did it just disappear? Exactly. Magic flew off. Um so it would be either yeah, uh it would be either of those. I think it would be, yeah. Okay. Oh God, James is But can I just say this is the the question is brilliant. The the picture of the Devs prop is astonishing. What is the most underrated, undervaluing TV every great show. And the answer is mostly Devs, so it is a fantastic show. That's a show I'd be watching. We were doing that question the other day. on Pilot Plus. Wait to answer a question two days after it's been asked. But if I if I'd have thought of it, I would have had devs in there for sure. As a show that I could drama that I could rewatch. I'm just I'm just um lashing out because I thought you would get that. Yeah, I know because I really thought of uh n having known you for so long I thought you would have got that. Sorry, I was just Model that's the thing. Yeah, you're just not good enough friend stuff, that's probably what it is. But what about you then? Oh God. Um So many, so many things. So I I've I've said before that I wanted the little framed Bartlett for America napkin from the West Wing, but that doesn't feel like enough. I'd also quite like the resolute desk. from the White House office from the West Wing, but no again, I I don't think that's gonna work for me either. contemplate, is there something I could turn the Enterprise D warp core into? But then I thought there isn't 'cause it would make a shitty chandelier and it's a bit too big. It's impractical. And Picard's flute, which would be the other thing you'd maybe want from next gen. Again, I just I it doesn't have the No No it's not. Uh What would I have? Would you like part of me for just for the camp value would quite like Joey's uh porcelain dog from the Greyhound. Yes, the Greyhound from Friends. Because like the little you know the yellow picture frame on the door I feel that would be too cliched. Whereas I think the dog is quite iconic. Yeah. And I could just ride it around the apartment. Only banned from answering any question with about friends. Well this is the other thing. I'm not sure I can have that. You could because I'm banned from saying Seinfeld. Who's banned you? Oh just listeners. They have registry. They have. Yeah, but you're you're more younger in the history of the show. We've been banging on Friends and Seinfeld and Curve for for literally seven years. Um I considered briefly the little small golden nude from Flea Bag, you know the sculpture. Oh yes. I thought that would be good. That's a good one. I could spit that in the hallway. Maybe like on a little table. So possibly that. And then I thought, but no, it has to be something I really like. So I've narrowed it down to two obje dart. that I would like to install in a display. One of them would be Jamie Lannister's golden hand. Oh, really good one. So not like the Iron Throne itself, impractical. Wouldn't be comfortable to sit on very sharp. But I ha I saw it more as like under glass, you know, like as a as just sitting on a table. No, it needs to be something that's made into furniture. Right. So it would have to be A donut. I'm using the international sign for donut. Right. I'm thinking of a piece of home furniture or art. Yeah. But if I were to use it for anything, I would use it for taking hot things out of the oven. Oh yeah. So that would be it. Or the other thing I thought is Edmund Blackadder's cod piece from Blackadder Two. I I d I really I don't think I should ask this, but what would you use it for? Again, art I cannot emphasize enough. I wouldn't there would there'd be no practical application to the case. If I see you in Edmund Blackadder's cod piece, I think I'm gonna fight. That's fair. That's fair. But yes, I would quite like to have that somewhere. I think that would be good. Okay, well that's an image we're never gonna forget. No. Got um actual Wurnham Hog, um Business cards. Um yeah, yeah, for when I'm the set of the office series too. Yeah. I could turn that to a few of them. Things Boyd has stolen from the Saturday T V shows. Yeah. I th I think Ste I think Steve and Ricky and Steve gave gave them to me. She didn't steal it. No, I didn't steal it. Have you not got anything from when you uh did your set visit to the OA? I thought you might have tried to steal something. Don't think I did, but that's a good point. Maybe the octopus in like a tank would be good. Old night. Yeah, old nights. That would be a good object art. Yeah. Someone to recreate the octopus in the in the tank. Yeah, that would be incredible. Yeah, I don't think I've stole anything from from the set. No, should've done. Should have done. You missed an opportunity there. Yeah. All right, fair enough. Well I think we have decorated. That was a great question. I think it's good, a little bit of home decor. I like it. Uh shall we move on now to this week's guest? I think you shall. And guess what? It is. A man who needs no introduction. It is the notorious RTD, Russell T. Davis, resurrector of Doctor Who. presumably owner of a Dalek, as we've said, with busy Lizzy's or not, it's unclear. A pioneer of Queer as four. It's a sin. Many, many more things. He's back on our screens this week with Tiptoe, which we'll be discussing a little bit later on, which is Alan Cumming in a neighborly dispute with David Morrissey. Now, Boyd, you and RTD sat down to chat about this, did you not? Yes. Uh, presumably also to catch up. on the first season of butterfly. Butterfly does come up. I'm I'm sure it does. And if I'm glad you've mentioned this because in obviously in the middle of the interview I didn't take the time to explain what the h why the hell we're suddenly talking about butterfly. Yeah. For for in case you're not a regular listener who would have heard the live podcast episode where it all came up, but we do mention butterfly. I think I make the point that However good or bad we think tiptoe is, or it's no butterfly. So uh yeah, it's it's his address fully. In jokes abound. Yeah. But you know, he and I now do literally every time I communicate with him w on whatever mode, whether it's email or um insta insta messages or whatever, I always put the butterfly um emoji in the case. I can't believe you've got your own thing with R T D, which is like a special emoji. Oh yeah, yeah. That's the butterfly emoji, I guess. Except we'll have to end our test with a little horse. Yeah, a little horse is gonna be a horse. See sympathico. Yeah. Seckening. Yeah. Here's Boyd talking. to RTD. Formally welcome you, Russell T. Davis to the Pilot TV podcast. Thank you. Um I watched David um on on uh David and Alan on this morning this morning. Did you see them? They did a very good show. Well I was locked away in the bowels of the BBC doing the video backyard. So I missed them. And uh were they good? They were good, but um the hosts absolut clearly loved it. And I'm obviously, you know, people say they loved it, but they've obviously meant it. You know, it was Ben Shepherd. Oh that's all I want. Ben Cat. Ben but Cat. Yeah. That's all I want. I feel like I've graduated from school. Ben Cat like. I'm really pleased. That's I watched it again. I watched it again last night and it is so extraordinarily powerful. What you don't Well you don't maybe I didn't realise the first time I watched it 'cause I was engrossed by the story and the cards. The direction, oh my God, Peter Ho's direction is extraordinary. Right from the beginning. I think never better. And it's tough things. That's the man who directed that episode, The Last of Us. And as he did it to sin with me, he did Nolly with me, he's done Dot U with me. So it's quite a big arse to say. This is the best. And I think this is the best. I think there's moments of grace and tenderness and violence that are Absolutely extraordinary. He's such a nice man. You expect these people to be monsters and he's lovely. Yeah, he's always He's also done Falling, the new um Yes, yes, the Jack Call. It's been a whole season on I've not seen that. He's been very secretive about that and won't let us see it. So it isn't funny how little they get recognized, these TV directors, that should be You know, that's quite a TV headline. He's got 10 hours of television ahead of us and he should be celebrated and no. Incredible. And also I think it's interesting that both your shows are on channel four. Your this show is on channel four Sunday night. I can't think of the last time chilified two. drama series on it the same in the same week. Still running. So but they're calling um it's a big push to a channel four. I mean the channel four but right now. I mean they're calling it. the channel the drama year for some reason. Um yeah, it's about which I like, I completely approve of and I will be Hanging at the door with more dramas for them. I mean the support with out of this this show. was actually commissioned in seven days last. Never seen that happen in my life. And I was kind of aware that it as it happened a lot, right? That'll never happen again. It'll take me seven years for the next one now, you watch. But um, but but I really respect the the the honor of that and the privilege because they they kind of knew how topical it was. I mean, literally, we are racing to get on air. We haven't finished episode five yet. We're still mixing that dubbing it. And there are jokes in this about Kemi Badanock and Keir Starmer that we are racing to get off screen before they're cheap date. I think we're just about gonna get there. We've got two weeks. We're crossing our fingers. We should get there. It's a great Kie Badanock joke, I've got to say. Um so um yeah they knew how topical it was. They knew um beyond just the references to politicians. That's a minor detail that you can fix with a bit of ADR, but the things that it says, the the topicalness of the topical nature of the of this and the the the the rise in society of this anger. They just knew it had to get out there quickly. So And they've done that. And that takes a bit of money. And I really respect them for that. They've been completely brilliant. Lovely. That is brilliant. Um now you you begin this the sh for the first time, I think, in in in in up Russell T. Davis history, you begin the show with at the end of the story and you flashback. You did that classic 10 days earlier. As you know, I refuse to do it throughout my entire career. I've actually turned down commissions on the strength and refuses to use such a hackney cliched device. I mean you see it, don't you? You see like a woman running down the street, she goes gasp, and then it cuts to. Ten years earlier. Which I think is such a cheap and rubbish device. But frankly, I'm just gonna be very arrogant now, Boyd, and say if you want to see it done properly and well, come and watch Tiptoe. But I mean it. It's just it's this is weaponized state of the art way to do it. Ever at the beginning of every episode you get slightly more information. It all results in a cliffhanger to the end of episode four that wouldn't exist. I don't know how you get out of episode four. If I uh it would have ended with a a buffet being delivered to Le Us House. Oh, Volivans. Um without this device at the overarching device. And it genuinely it lay it it it it I think it's vital. It it tells you where we're going. tells you what sort of story this is. Otherwise, if you didn't have that, it would open as kind of like a mild sitcom of neighbors at war with some fun. And a man who's locked out of his house and he's in his pants. And it continues like that for the whole episode. It's like you need a sort of it's a signpost. It's a weather page. It just says where you're heading. It takes the temperature and and therefore even the jokes get weaponized that way. The the the jokes have extra weight because um characters make mistakes when Clive gets angry when Leo makes mistakes when Alan Cumming makes mistakes like of be of sexualizing things too much he do he takes sex and turns it into a joke at work like us older middle aged gay men do and sometimes it goes a bit too far and sometimes it's annoying Sometimes it really causes trouble. So when there's trouble. The trouble is greater. And has more to say and more to do. Um than if you didn't have these colours for every episode. So it was very carefully Debated, very carefully chosen. Um My producer Nicolas said look, not believed that I was doing it. When I first typed it, I sent it to her the single page saying, I've actually done it. I've got I'm finally done 10 days earlier. But watch it, there's no other way. And this is literally how to do it. Yeah. So that means the stakes are very high, aren't they, right from the beginning. The camera pants across various characters without spoiling the specifics. You see the horror on their faces. It's incredibly powerful. To the horror of what's going to happen. who's involved, you still question, you still don't know exactly what's happening it's still better spelling out. Uh there's still a lot to learn, but you and also By the time we get to the ending, it's not the absolute ending, there's a little bit more to come after that. Um but it just gives shows you the statue of it, it shows you the darkness of it, it shows you the importance of it. To be blunt, it says look, we've got something to say here. Yeah. I think this is also your f I mean, the second coming was was a was a thriller in some ways, wasn't it? Um but this feels like a proper tense Taught Quite stressful sometimes thriller to watch. And it's that did you was that deliberate did you think oh this is a genre I want to work on or did the story and characters come first and just kind of became the thriller that it is? I did the story came first though, 'cause it's all about um, you know, we're not we can It'll get very boring to talk about issues and make it all sound very worthy and important. It's a story. It's a great story. It's a great story about two neighbors. And um and that really started with me giving my front door key to my neighbor. Who was lovely? But nonetheless, one day he let himself into my house at ten o'clock at night on a Saturday and I was like, What? What Mike? And he went, oh, sorry. And then he was lovely, but just as a writer you begin to see how that can go wrong and suddenly how porous your house becomes, suddenly you're just a little bit more insecure and and and you think who's got that key now is who else has got that key? How strange. And it begins so that's where it starts with with with character and and and so but actually Once you start to wonder what is someone doing my front door key, that's a pillar. That's simply there's no other other direction to go in. Well, it could be a syncop, I suppose. But um but Just the moment that feel of unease crept into me. that feeling of and and the and the whole drama as you've seen is based on Once your front door is not safe. Then everything in the drama becomes safe. Suddenly a text becomes unsafe. It's a thriller built on these things. A photo should never be sent. Threads You should I mean the danger of having the group fed both on your phone and on your computer at home. suddenly becomes vulnerable. I mean I loved it. Once I started exploring all this. I started seeing, oh my God, I didn't get a story of that. I mean that does a very fine. Who it does the I do that. I have my group, my my WhatsApp thread on my phone and on my computer at home. And that's dangerous. And the moment as a writer you start to mine all that and plot it, you're in through the thriller territory without even having to try. And I love the fact that it's thriller territory. that doesn't have spies and car chases and and briefcases with secret formulas hidden inside it. It is a thriller built up out of our phones, out of our front doors, out of a key safe, out of one person saying something that to someone that they shouldn't. one lie that was told six years ago, a lie that was told six years ago winds this story up more and more and more and more as the episodes go on. Like everything's like that in it. Everything is our speech gets weaponized, our attitudes get weaponized, as is happening in the world now, today. Um so it's both a thriller and and does end up being a statement about where we are today. Yeah, it's it's like not just a state of the nation piece, but a state of the world. The the madness of the world we're living in kind of reflect Donald Trump gets a mention, you know, quite early on. Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They all do. It's that, you know, when we wonder about online hatred 'cause my great fear is that um Oh. There's been online hatred for a very long time. That's that's old news. And I always thought a death threat was the piece of puff on the wind. I thought a death threat was no more deathly and no more threatening than than when you say, oh my God, you're being religious, which is not at all. They're just words. And I've always thought that safely in my own. Safe pampered to the world. But actually now we're beginning to see that cross into the real world. I mean, good Lord, if if there was a member of the Jewish community here saying how they see online hatred treading into the real world. They're ahead of us. terrifyingly, shockingly, wrongly. It's like this is old news. And and good God the disabled community could say the same. The race uh issues could say the same. Women could tell you this. I mean would you believe me all this week about the attitude amazing piece of Jeff Pope work about um brilliant piece of work about police attitudes towards rape and the rape statistics. And you think what where are we? Are we in 1955? Are things ever going to get better as you get older? No wise that you realize that what we call the establishment is just so vast and permanent and unshifting. But it's terrifying. I always thought these things could be toppled. And instead they're getting worse and more powerful. Now it's shifted from, you know, mandarins in Whitehall to The tech barons who uh answer to no one. Oh God, off I go, board. We go in a terrifying loop that I cannot that's why I had to write this. I cannot see an end to it. I'm not the it normally. as someone says, as Leo says in the job. You vote in a right wing government, you know there'll be a left wing government. You vote in a left wing government, you know there'll be a right one with Labour. conservative, Democrat, Republic, we swing from one to the other. And actually I think the swing is stopping. And I think above our heads, these monetizing tech barons are creating. Please with us. U Mercilessly. And do you know it's obviously this I'm seeing the story with the gay ends and so I'm inviting gay stories out of it. It's so much bigger. I was just My fear for what's happening online. It's so great. I am a Luddite now and I'm rapidly becoming more of a Luddite and I don't care. It's like the the truth of it stands now, boy, that if I walked into a primary school round the corner from here and showed a child. Hard to report. I'd be arrested. If I showed my child hardcore porn, they'd be taken into care. If a phone shows a 10 year old. Hard to born. There's nothing we can do. No one is answerable, no one is guilty, no one is to blame. So we're in a situation where 90% of children have seen two girls one cup. obscene and disgusting and appalling and we're all Debating it while discussing a ch a television show for channel four. um, you know, this should be waking us up in a wild fever every single day. And it's not. And we somehow we keep ticking along. And everything's fine showless. A million thoughts like that build up in my head all the time. I've got more to write. I've got hopefully I've got another one to write with Nicola Shinder soon. Um Say more about this because driven to it. I can't, I think the world is nuts. Yeah, we all everything I've just said, we know is happening. What are we doing about it where we should be act with such severity and such swiftness that people are in prison and antennae are closed down and technology is shoved in a bit and butt. Yes. There's a great fine. Enjoy, enjoy the Zoom. Zoom's okay. Podcast to go podcasts. There's another there's another there's a great sequence where which is which we could describe as as like a wank a wank test. Oh really, yes. Must be. Oh, this is really What's interesting about that is it's every all they're all on their own, aren't they? It's a little insight into what they look at on their phone. Or, you know, it it in online when they're in their own private space. It's a and it's actually genuinely uh it's the end of episode one. And I'm not obviously I'm not Writing this stuff for a laugh. I'm not writing it to be sexy. It's not a sexy sequence at all. It's the loneliness of people. They're they they are all on their own. They all lock their bedroom doors. Even the married couple lock themselves away separately. And and you see one of them's on OnlyFans. One of them's um typing in uh Barra. Uh th that word gets shown very swiftly on scene. That that's a whole world of of cartoon uh most Japanese um pole. Uh graphic porn, but drawing support as opposed to Photographs of Pawn, there's Barra, there's um there's there's a piece of Slow Horses Pawn. that I actually had to contact Mick Heron. ask his permission to use his characters. Slash fiction. Someone's into what slash fiction is. Which we don't see enough of on screen, frankly. That's the point that it isn't on screen. That's why it exists. Um but I won't I I do know what actually There's one thing that doesn't exist in the world. I thought, what if there is river and lamb slash fiction? I went looking Okay, it doesn't exist. I went further than the internet. I could not find a single example. And then I had to write it. Oh my God. He unzips his seedy trousers. It was all um and it's really funny. So I had to ask Mick Heron's permission to use his characters. And it turned out. that I met Mc Heron forty two years ago. He said, yes, I was once in the same room as you when we were students. How we knew that and we had a friend in common who over the years has kind of updated him. Remember that tall man you met? That's him right in clear as well. No. So that was what a lovely night. And very instant permission for us to use this, which is really nice because it's a really so there's So back to the masturbation. Thank you. There's there's there's this fun to it with slow horses born, slow horses slash fiction. But there's also a darkness and a loneliness. And actually one character is in a non masturbatory way, but he's kind of getting off nonetheless on real death on Instagram. And let me tell you, don't let that chase your algorithm because I look that up and I'm haunted by what I've seen and algorithms won't let you go. Um that continues. I don't know how to un how to delete an algorithm to stop it showing me things. And let me tell you, once you've started looking into that, you'll never set foot in another elevator ever again. Oh no. Oh my God, the things I've seen by it. But that's out there. That's That's people. brutalise themselves with this stuff. I I feel brutalized having watched just a bit of that. I feel there are images I can't get rid of in my head. And I wish I could and and maybe I'm old enough and and wise enough, maybe to cope with them. What if you're 10 years old? If 10 years old, you're watching that stuff. What on earth is that you then you read an article in the newspaper tomorrow about. I was suffering bad mental health amongst children. I wonder why. Oh, I can't work out why. Staring us all in the face. Dear God. Anyway. Yes, the loneliness of suburbia. It's not it's actually not a sex sequence. It's a loneliness sequence. Yeah. Absolutely. We should say David Morris and Alan Cumming, you are your your lead uh they've known each other for what forty years and um How amazing we didn't know this because I approached Alan. About playing Leo, first of all. 'cause they'll be dying to work for them for years. And it was actually Alan who said, Well what about David the Clive? Um and I was like, do you think we're getting no is my mate? And he just phoned him up and and the amazing thing was really proper mates for forty years. Like they they used to share a flat. They were students together. And they never appeared on screen together. I find that so amazing. So when they did their first scene, which was on Canal Street. Uh they both walked down Canal Street, have a little bit of dialogue. Thank you, Cart, right? That's a move on. And we gave him a little round of applause. And it was actually quite moving. It was the first time they'd ever Been there. And actually this is It helped enormously. This is a tough show. What happens to Leon Clive? It's very, very tough. There's one scene, but breaks channel for laws for advert breaks because it's about 17 minutes long between You're not allowed to go 17 minutes without without an ad break, but we did because you cannot interrupt that scene anywhere between those two because it's so good. Um, and so they had all this stuff together, heavy stuff. So their old friendship helped. I mean, they're playing two neighbours who live next door to each other for fourteen years. So that's already a little bit of a language in common. Then events throw them together like this. So they had a uh camaraderie, they're the banter, but they had a depth. And as actors, they could challenge each other and trust each other and let go and then leave each other alone when they needed to. It was properly. Carry. community, communicative. It was a really lovely show. I mean it's two grown up men who got two grown up men and also both with a great sense of humor. So it made what could have been a very tough shoot into something really lovely. And that's for the entire cast then once you're once you're number one and two on the call sheet get on like that, the whole show gets a friendliness and a warmth and an integrity actually that you might not always or that you otherwise have to strive to create. It just existed automatically. Those things with the two of them confronting each other are spectacular, aren't they? They they are they are proper like thrilling sequences in their own right. Gotta say I could write those two talking to each other. The five hundred years. That's why you get scenes that are seventeen minutes long because I couldn't stop. Once we put them in the room. And they never agree on anything. Whether they're being friendly, whether they're being enemies, whether they're trying to sort out a problem, they I loved it. They simply come from different worlds and cannot agree on the simplest thing. Both have equal. The the the challenge to me as well was like, don't give all the strength to the gay character in this. You've got to write Clive. uh as strongly uh as Leo. And I think when you watch it actually be patient because it takes you get episodes one and two, which are very strongly Leo episodes. Episode three swings everything round and you see everything from Clive's point of view and you suddenly make a lot more sense of what's going on. So I had to work very hard and when you've got David Morris here in the cast. You've got to do that. You know, you're not gonna disappoint him, you're not gonna say, hello, you're the second lead to eat. Combating for first position is a great position to be already. That just set fire on screen. I love them. I could watch them forever. It's fantastic. I want to mention one character who, which is Paul Reese plays is in the show. The legendary Paul Reese as Melbourne who's. It's in the corner of the bar. Wh which which Leo owns and just kind of holds forth in it I've seen that guy. You know, that's such a great um I thought that's such a brilliant observation. I think I think you want to zoom with that guy, right now? The old game saying it's all it's all gonna end badly like that. He's like a that's it's a character called Melba, who's kind of a faded drag. You never know his drag history. He's not a drag anymore, but a drag activist. Um Uh he th he thinks he's lived his glory days and now sit and now arrives every day. and sits in the same corner of the bar and but he's a tolling bell. I think that is most powerful, actually, in episode one. where he lays out the agenda for the whole show. where he everything I'm saying on this on this call at great length, he sums up much more concisely. And he's the one who gives us the title for the show. He's got a bit of lipstick on he can be flamboyant. Um, but he says I used to walk into a room and go ta-da. Now I tiptoe. Just in case. That's why it's called tiptoe. Well, there's another reason. You'll see very obviously why it's called tiptoe as well. But um dark reasons for that. But um that's what he's there for. He is he's unashamedly there to Um spell that out. I loved working with him. I'd previously done I was an exec on a on a on a on a show called Men Up about the history of Niagara. Yes in Swansea, which I've written by Matthew Bowser. Great show and I was an exec on that show. And he was in that and he was heartbreaking. That's why I got to know him and saw how brilliant he was. Do you remember him? Years ago, he was the leading Gallu Glass and things like that. He's had an incredible career. He played he played Peter Mandelson. In the deal. He did of course he did. Yes, of course he did Saltburn. A lot of your viewers listeners will know he was the butler in Saltburn. Great man, a lovely man. It's funny, the entire group adored Paul Reese. And we really took him to our hearts and and we were sad when he had to go. I and I kept on writing speeches. He's got a speech in the last episode where I simply decided that he didn't have a speech in the last episode and I couldn't let that pass. And so he's got a riff on croissants that makes me laugh. Riff on the modern day croissants what it's become. I just adored him. Really adopt he's absolutely fantastic to have on on the show. Um, how was it filming in Canal Street all the after all these years? You know, was it all different to how it was? Well, uh the street's essentially the same. Fashions come, fashions go, people say, Oh, it's not the same as it was. They were saying that in nineteen ninety eight when we shot queer as folk. Uh it's funny because After Queer as Folk people said, oh, the place has been ruined now because that's invited head parties and straight people here. And actually in Queer as Folk, they complained about the head parties on Connell Street, which was obviously written before Queer's Foot was ever transmitted. So it's like there's always been an invasion myth. around that street. It's interesting because we have to So we kind of had a beg and plead and present our case. uh to be to film there, 'cause it's a place where people go to still whether people can go to live out their secret lives. I mean if you're filming with people in the background. just catching them beyond the extras is the people in the street, you might not want to be seen on Canal Street. People might not know you're there. It was seen as a delicate place. It was seen as a secretive space we it was see this important space. So we very much had to Ask our way in there and we're we're treated well, but with suspicion as well. I've got to say. twenty six years later, that's completely changed and we were welcomed, you know, and to be honest, we brought a broad uh we brought a body of work with us you and I on Canal Street when we shot the uh cucumber there. and and banana. And so we've been Nikla Schindler, my producer, I've been going there for a long time. So this time could not have been more welcome. Actually it's the first time I've actually really been to Canal Street. The the show doesn't just go there clubbing as a visitor. Leo actually runs a bar on Canal Street, go into the bar, and that bar is lively and funny and part of the drama. So actually it's further into Canal Street than I've ever been. Which I loved. It's really center stage in it. And and and I'm very proud of that. I think. I hope on the proud. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, definitely. Yeah, 100%. Alan is is the presenter of American traitors. I know. And he's back. He's in the Try and get a secret out of it. Try and get any any but Although he's dropped one or two traitors secret. The British one. with the celebrities. He's dropped a secret or two today and he's kinda working on what's going up in that castle, but I won't say. That's brilliant. Would you do it? Oh my god. I boy that I'm hardly on that league. I think I think I do. You've done the wheel. You've done the wheel. It's only a matter of time. I simply wanted to see how the whew. I love being on the wheel. I was it was scary being on the wheel because I got a question wrong and a woman all her money right in front of me. And then we carried on spinning and I genuinely had a word to myself going, this is people's money muscle. You've come here to have a laugh and you've lost that woman 20,000 pounds. And next question I got bang on. I concentrated. I was there, but it was scary. It's an amazing thing. Oh, would I, I don't know. I'm bound to say yes, and that'd be first out. six or six they go he's a killer get him out Stephen Fry's tool, he was in there for a while. I mean We it has to be seen. It has to be seen. Yeah. And finally this is a this is a brilliant thriller and it's been fantastic. But it it's it's no it's no butterfly, is it, really? Let's face it. Well, apparently butterfly two won't happen. And I feel singularly responsible. I will for those that I was on this podcast when Bod and James and Kay had to describe. A new thriller called a Butterfly, which I ripped the piss out of. Endless. What a load of rubbish. For God's sake. One day I think I'll be walking down the street and I'll be punched. It won't be a gay hate crime. It'll be the writer of a butterfly saying I found you. You ruined my show. This is no butterfly. This is a proper thriller. Exactly. Exactly. And finally finally, finally. What are you what you said before that you are what you're already thinking of a new new show with Nicola. Oh, I always have. And I'm also slightly taking what I'm 63 now. I'm slightly, slightly, slightly slowing down. As in we don't finish, we actually don't finish Cucumber until uh Cucumber. We still finish once it called tiptoe until next uh Wednesday. We do the final fix then. Um so I I'm in a state of life now where I'm just gonna finish a show. deliver it show and then start the new one. It's like financially I can afford to do that. I'm very lucky. They pay me nicely and I appreciate that. And it just means it's like 63 with arthritis. It's just time to take a little bit easier. But I've started a new I've actually started two new script. And I'm working out which one of them is gonna take off and I have with it. So that should be finished in a month or so. And then I'll see if anyone wants to make it. But that's exciting. Yeah, yeah. That's exciting. You've got many exciting projects coming up. That's all that's all I can say. Thank you, Isabella Russell. My eternal supporter. Thank you, Paul. You're very lovely and I very much appreciate it. Thank you, darling. That was Boyd and Russell T. Davis and time now for this week's news. Who wants to kick off? Because stuff's been happening hasn't it Boyd? Stuff's been happening. Well I think Steph's gonna kick off about Tom Hardy. She won't be the only one this week. No. Yes, let's right, so This week it was announced that Tom Hardy has been fired. Who gets fired these days? From Mobland. Yes. Fired. A show that I very much enjoyed. Yeah. Okay. So There's been a lot of chatter about this. What do we think this means for the show? So he's gonna finish season season two, and then he's not gonna be gonna do it. Without the thing. He is literally the main character. Well, Variety says a third season has not been formally announced at this time. But given the show's success on the streaming platform, it's all but guaranteed. Is it though I think it's right 'em out. You can strong You've got Helen Mirren, you've got Piers Brosnum. Extraordinary accent. He should have been fine for his accent. Helen Mirren can hold it down. You know, it's fine. If it it's it's such a big hit for them, I I think, you know. It's like the Dutton branch of uh British gangster in many ways stories. So you know, it'll be huge. I think it'll be I'll be amazed if they cancel just 'cause he's Why do you think he's been fine just being a bit thingy on set? Well thingy, a bit thingy. I mean he has got a reputation. Right? So when he made M Mad Max Fury Road, him and Charlie Steron did not get on famously. Okay. Can you name me? anyone who gets on with Charlie Sheron because she but people are always saying I really like Charlie Syron but it seems it's seemingly she I I listened to an interview the other day and she said People find it hard to deal with me because I am direct, right? And I'm all for her being direct and I love Charlie Duran. But people always seem to be able to just set say things they don't get on with her. Oh. I don't I don't know why. Okay. That's interesting. I think the answer was more on him being diff more difficult than her on Mad Max Fury Road, but I think he there's a book there's a making of book about Mad Max Fury Road which which is he he just talks about how difficult he was on Saturday, basically. Uh So uh the rumours are are abounding. We should say or only rumours about w what has led to this this m le leaving him off season three, the which hasn't been announced yet. Someone somewhere wanted it to come out he'd been fired, 'cause they could have written him out and just said he's not returning. And could have written him out, right? So someone somewhere wants it to be known that he has been fired. Because Why else would they do this? Like they've obviously wrapped season two. So there's no there's no issue. He could just have been it's a news story, isn't it? So on one level it's it's a it's a good story. These kind of Disputes these kind of um disagreements are you know are you part of apart from the apart from the white lotus thing, which we've d which we've discussed before, white lotus where we talked about, you know, um leaving, right? But she there was she was that was a mutual that was different. So that's the that's the m most recent time when someone's left left something. But when was the last time you heard of someone being fired from a show? I know it's fired. Someone wants that story out there and I wanna know who and why. I like you you're thinking of this one. Investigation. Um But I think I also saw there was quite a few tweets on on from people who'd worked on Mobland itself who said actually he was fine and that he was not problematic and you know he's everyone really respectful of my own. Yeah. So there are different views on the whole thing. So it's difficult. I I interviewed him once for what was that show he did where there was when you Scott produced it on BBC where he played it was like a taboo. Taboo, thank you. Taboo, yeah. And he was actually a delight. And you know, 'cause he was quite scary To interview, isn't it I think you'd be I'd be like you don't know. I love him. I think he's great as well, amazing and sexy and hot. And it's nearly time to bring up the Pooh story as well. I've told that too many times on this podcast. That's true. It was one of the great J James stories of our time. I don't know, it's interesting isn't it? I wonder what happened. Anyway, all this is all conjecture, but one one thing seems to be confirmed, which is that he's definitely not going to be in the season three. And season three. Okay, do you know what is coming back for season two? Dearest James. Marshalls. Why Marshalls. Yeah. Not Y Marshalls, but Y Colon Marshall. And now we know why it's Y Marshalls. Yeah. But yeah, so Marshalls is coming back. So Marshalls is this is The spin off Casey's Casey Dutton's spin off. He is a mar he was a Marshall and it's his spin off and it's gonna have a season two, which we're very happy about. But it is a network procedural. So it's like it's a very different beast to Yellowstone itself. It's no Dutton Ranch, that's for sure. No. James doesn't like procedural, so he can't you know he he'll have to be But it is Casey Dutton. No, he loves Cton. Anything to do with Dutton. Jesus Christ. Have you seen ITV, James's favourite channel, has dropped a first line. Channel five's favorite channel. Oh yeah, uh Blue Lights Director. Wow. Wow Wow. Okay. Right, so Blue Eyes There's gonna be a new IT V drama next summer called The Dark and it's got Helen Baxendale and it's oh it's a serial killer drama. That's that's not necessarily against that. Yeah, I'm nothing against that. Okay, fine. It's not a true crime thing. Confusing with Kay who doesn't like serial killer dramas. I know. She'll never do anything for me. I often ask her to write stuff for me and she's like no. We can have to try and find enough shows for her to preview that aren't all about crime and serial killers that it's difficult. Or sci fi. Yes. Or fantasy. Well, except she's not quite any of the many things she would want to cover. Because that she's a consummate professional. Just not foundation. Yeah, we'll we'll come back to foundation. Right. So yeah, it's uh Helen Maxdow plays distraught mother Bethany Morgan, who's been pushed to her limit by a detective. Oh my gosh. Oh it's a it's a case link to her missing son. Fantastic, I love it. This sounds really, really good. Oh, it's gonna be a good thing. Hang on, it I I don't think they can they're not it's a six part series. They've only announced her as the castle. The picture is Helen Baxendale holding a rifle. On the moors. No, she's the mother. Okay. Oh, it looks good. It looks really good. I think you're gonna like that. We'll be reviewing that in a year. It's time, yeah. Um they have put out new pictures of the agency season two. Did you see this? Yeah, the agency, the ex extraordinarily star studied um spy thriller. Yeah. Adapted from the original, the French original. But that's uh and that's coming back quite soon. June twenty one, in fact. This is following on from the trailer that dropped, I want to say, last week or the week before? What did we talk about last week? Uh well not the pictures, but the trailers. Yeah, the p yeah, following on from the trailer. There are pictures. Michael Fastband is back, Jeffrey Wright, Jodie Turner Smith, Catherine Walterston, Richard Gier. Rich it gears some, by the way, is in Euphoria. Yes. Really making me want to watch this. Second gear. Oh, but it just shows you talk about Nepo baby, because Sam Levinson's obviously son of Barry Levinson, the director, and he's got various Nepo babies in his show. My start for Nepo Babies very clear in the last podcast. I'm I'm happy for them like the Nepo verse. Nepo Nepo yourselves out, babes. It's fine. Hundred percent. I'm in in full agreement. Um, Dominic West and Hugh Bonneville guest star on it as well. And I I enjoyed season one, although I didn't finish it. So didn't enjoy it that that much. Did you finish it? No. There you go. But I didn't claim to be enjoying it as much as you did. Okay. Anyway, yeah, it's based on liblure all. I'm sensing his French. Yeah. And uh it looks the one of the main pictures is of Michael Festbender wielding A massive gun. There you go. Not a euphemism. No. Um I'm particularly excited 'cause Richard Gere can do no wrong in my own, so I'm excited to see him back in that show. So season two June twenty one, we may or may not review it, depending on what else is on that week. Oh, God, now you're talking. Yeah, I am. First night. Shut up. Internal affairs. Brilliant. Nice one. Brilliant film. Seen many a time. I I like him in that. Uh what what would you go for? American Gigolo. I'm gonna say pretty woman. There's a modern batlash against pretty women from the Gen Z who think it's deeply problematic. Come on, Gen Z. Come on. Just saying. It's just everything's problematic nowadays, though isn't it? You can't do anything. You can't say anything these days. No, you can't move for being problematic, can you? Every move you make is problematic. Wow. Did you see um if you're going for a quote to promote your new sh series of your show Which I am. Yes, we all are. Yeah. No we're not. I I this is I would guarantee you this is a really good thing to say. Well There's two views. I would say this is a good thing to say, but then you have to deliver. But anyway, the boss of House of the Dragon, Brian Condel there you go, arriving soon. Has described the battle of the gullet. Coming up. as in quote the craziest episode of TV ever made. Wow. That is a big claim. A big claim. So on the one hand I'm very excited to see. He'd better live up to it, right? Craziest episode. Craziest episode of TV ever made. Okay. We'll get judged to that, actually. Yeah. Okay. Wow. I've already pinned down Ryan Condor for it, and I'm going to say this now, even though he has a provisionally agreed to do a spoiler uh chat for the new hazardous once it's once we've seen them all. Yes. Okay, well I'm excited about that. But you're talking about quotes. Here's the thing. This is technically film related, but it's also TV adjacent. The Mandalorian and Grogu is obviously based on the TV show The Mandalorian. An extraordinary marketing campaign went out. There was a poster for this. It was one of the so when I said poster, it wasn't like a physical post, it was one of those like a it was like a like a virtual post like on Instagram, whatever it was. And They just listed the names. that had reviewed the film. Without the star writings. So it said things like Indy Wire and all these different websites have the and yes, they have all reviewed it. They didn't have any questions. And the hilarious thing is a lot of those outlets had absolutely slated it. So all they were doing is essentially saying the Mandalorian Grogu, people are calling it the Mandalorian and Grogu. And you're just like, That is crazy. It's such a wild thing to do to just list the outlets. Who have reviewed it, but not necessarily. I don't think so. I genuinely I found it baffling, but I thought that was really funny. But I think it's gonna end up being like goat. Do you remember the film GOAT that was out recently Steph Curry film with the with the goat. With the goat with the basketball film. Whereas Critics said it was absolute dog shit. And the kids loved it. Yeah, but kids know nothing. Well that's why the Mantalino and Gro will probably be they'll like it. To be fair, it's doing better than it was initially tracking, but it's still not doing well. So you know certainly not by Star Wars standards. But anyway, that's film news. We can't be talking about films. I was just, you know, mentioning it in passing. Did either of you watch the trailer for Vault Rising? No. Astonishingly, no. Prequel series to Okay. satirical superhero show on prime video, The Boys, which recently finished. Right. I was gonna ask you about the boys uh something else about the boys. I didn't see Vault. Vault Vault Rising. The nineteen fifties. Okay. It's got uh Jen Snackle's back a Soldier Boy, I cash is back as Stormfront or whatever she's called then. And it's kind of an origin story. Yeah. But you know there's this whole controversy going on in America at the moment about people the right wing lunatics thinking that they really liked um the Homelander. I bet they did. And then and then when it turned out that there was a it was an elaborate Trump critique. They've decided, oh no, we shouldn't like him after all because it's actually sati Satiriz. It is, but also we should say I'm pretty sure this isn't the boys was made before. So I don't know that it's like sudden it's not it's not a direct because a lot of the stuff that's happening, it is art imitating life a little bit. Sure. Or life imitating art, sorry, not the other way around. Uh it's life imitating art a bit. And uh it's ridiculous. But I don't think it was they didn't set out initially to there's a there's a big should we or shouldn't we be supporting the show from people who are like the people of the show. Well I would refer you to the spoiler special that we did for the boys' finale, which we released last week in Advance of Pilot Plus. Uh, where Amon Warman and I sat down to dissect the final episode and indeed the the final series to talk about it. Uh I I I have reservations. Oh interesting. Okay. But if you subscribe to Potter Plus, you can listen to that now. And if you don't, then you can't. So sorry. So back to your vault thing. Vault rising, yeah. Uh it's hard for me to get excited about it, I'll be honest. In the w in the wake of the boys' finale, which I did find disappointing, it is hard for me to get excited about Vault Rising. Hasn't there already been a spin-off of the boys? Yes. Gen V which hilariously got cancelled after two seasons. And we were like, Oh, that's fine because I'd probably end that story in the final season of the boys. Did they did they fuck? Uh no, so I don't know what's going on there. Has the boy uh one more question. Has the boy the final season of the boys has that got as many utterly perverse sequences as season the season before? It it lacks a certain je ne sais when it comes to shock value this time. I think they lost some of their uh You know, there's nothing on on a on a level with the you know the exploding penis or anything like that. There's nothing or hero gas. No, nothing like that. Um would I like the boys? No. No, you would not. It's got lots of good shoes as new to see, so you might. What's the premise of boys the voice? It's to a certain extent, it is a superhero satire which is leans heavily into swearing explicit sex acts and shocking displays of violence. Uh and it it posit a world in which the Justice League are all All superheroes are just whacked. Do you know what I'm hearing? Peacemaker. That's what I'm hearing. Do you want volume wise is not a million miles away. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't like peace making. It's not how I like my John Senna. We know what you do like. I do know what you do like. No you don't because you didn't know that I wanted my Johnson. You did all its splendid. nudity. And the story is that it's the third most watched Amazon Prime series debut of all time. The third most watched and the first most paused, I think. The first or could be as well. But only beaten by which two shows? James? Reach out and Bosch. No. The Lord of the Rings means the Lord, and Fall Out. Really? Yes. Yes indeed. It's the only sci-fi show on television. I don't like that. Fully understand why, but that means off campus is tracking above heavyweights like the boys, Reacher and the Summer Pretty. That's a show, not me just talking. Yeah. So yeah. It's a huge hit. Off campus. Yeah. Off campus, off kids, off everything. Yeah. It's it's quite extraordinary ball again. That's next up after Yellowstone, obviously. Any other news before we move? Hastily on. No, no. We've had enough. We've done we've had enough. Legally questionable. Okay. Good. Let's see if that's actionable or what. What I can even leave in by the end of it. Brilliant. Uh okay, let's jump into reviews then. And let's jump straight into tiptoe, shall we? Uh, which if you've already heard Pitts Alan Cummings Leo against David Morrissey's Clive in a kind of companion piece to Queerus Foot? Would you say that's fair, Boydie? Yeah, in some ways, you know. Right. And it's but you know, it has a slightly harder, I would say, 2026 edge. So this focuses on the modern culture war. the kind of rifts between communities, in this case, uh some in suburban Manchester. Now R T D. is a long time friend of the podcast. So we are all huge fans, but boyy you did the interview. Thus we turn to Steph, who I would say at four foot eleven. Is someone who is not unfamiliar with being on tiptoe a lot of the time. So Steph. Tell us about this. Can you believe this, boy? Unbelievable. Yes, I can believe it. As regular listeners will know, when I absolutely love something, I generally cannot stop watching it and then I will watch every single episode. And the only reason I didn't watch every single episode of Tiptoe is because I ran out of time. And you had four episodes of Yellowstone to watch. I had four episodes of Yellowstone to watch. So um Wow. Tower. Starting with a bang. And this is the kind of opening sequence that I think Only I mean you guys are, you know, v very much friends of R T D and I have never met him or anything, so I'm in no way compromised, so I don't need to say any of that. No, because you didn't invite me. No we didn't, that's true. You know how HBO don't invite James to anything? Yeah. Yeah. Or or me. Yeah. You you lot don't invite me to anything like that. Okay. Anyway, Carol. This is a kind of Opening. To a show that I think only RTD can do. He has just got Um there's a magnificence into he in his I it the thought process that he's It's just God, it's so sensational, but it's absolutely it dr it draws you in so immediately that you know within the first twenty seconds that you have got to watch every single episode of this. And that I'm so annoyed I haven't watched it. And have you watched every single episode? Yes. Of course you have. Right. Can I talk about what happens in the in the. You can't be too specific. No. Okay. I only know this because I wrote a little piece on it for Empire. And at the very last minute I had to change the words. But it is literally the first twenty seconds of the show. I'm not sure that you can impose a spoiler warning on the first twenty seconds of the show. I I I did describe in my original version of this piece in the book what what happens in that opening shot literally. And people didn't like it. And people like interesting. Yeah. We will adhere to the rules. I will say though, it uses a mechanic that is normally what I would describe as Boyd's personal beat noir. Uh and muscle cheese. U get onto that, yeah, for sure. So it gives you the the yeah, it it's kind of the reverse. You get the the what the end scene of the whole thing and it's and it's really kind of a working back of where did they get to this point and it does the ten days earlier. Yeah. So can't tell you what happens uh in the first um incredible opening scene. But then we are introduced to these two neighbours, Leo and Clive. Leo is initially locked out of his house having spent the night with uh with with someone, and he is forced to go to his neighbours to try and get back into his house and his Neighbor is a an electrician. He has um he he's married with sons and Leo lives on it lives on his own and he um you know has a a much nicer front door, let's just say that. Um Yeah, I'm I'm I'm scared to do any spoilers for this. So the the the first episode is you're introduced to Leo's life and you're introduced to the people who are around Leo and and all the kind of oppression and he is so upbeat, this character Alan Cumming is a delight to watch, isn't he? He's upbeat in a world and he's kind of those people sort of t trying to in his best fri his best friend sort of tries to Like Telling the realities of the situation we've in. He's he's he's like, No, no, no, this is all gonna be great. We're living in this time, people people will eventually accept us again and his friends are No no we're not it's all awful, everything's terrible and he's Alan Cummings character completely embodies, you know, the kind of the hope for a for a a world and a civilization where everyone is accepted. And that is the heart he in this first episode is the heart of this show. And then you've got living next door to him, you're not quite sure. where Clive sits in terms of because he's seemingly accepting of um Leo as a neighbor, but also you know he's he's he's got the whiff of prejudice about him, hasn't he? But you're not and it's not completely explored and it obviously is because it's turns into a thriller. Um It's not completely explorable w where he sits on that fence and he's obvious he's got two sons, and again, I don't want to give one explorers, it's quite hard to talk about, um, that are that are growing up and may or may not, you know need different lifestyles. But the one thing that I do want to talk about is There is An incredible scene at the end of you know how I'm always talking about um You know when I like assembling scenes where people assemble. You assemble teams, right? You do you do love and assemble. I love and assemble. There is a communal climax assembled. There's a communal orgasmic assembled of the likes of which. I believe it's done in the business as a wank montage. Yeah. And you see, it it was like it it wasn't gonna stop. I was like, oh my God. But it was so brilliantly deployed how he'd got the he everyone was on their phones and they were all simultaneous you know simultaneously gaining pleasure through their phones through a variety of different mediums I've not seen anything like that before and I thought it was absolutely fantastic because you you Almost, it answered all the questions from the from from the episode of where everyone kind of sits, like the you know, the dad is watching awful things on YouTube of like death and Yeah. And some of them watching porn and some of them are His wife you know his wife is is the slow horse's based pawns. Yeah. Slow horse's pawn white something. Like slow like slash fiction imagining, you know if it's a s that what it was. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's amazing. Yeah, and I had to get permission from Slow Horse's creator. What's his name? Mc Heron to use it. And it turned out I didn't get the character that's missing because it's quite they mentioned it very briefly and they referred to the characters having shagging each other. That's amazing. Slow horses slash genius. It really has. It's brilliant. And that's actually part of it. The thing about this for me is and and and I would say for all of R T D's projects, you you immediately get the feeling that this is this is an important message. This is important. This is something that everybody should should watch. Whatever your views are, I'm an incredibly liberal person. Like whatever your views are at anything, this is an important thing to watch. I'm so I'm s I know I keep saying I'm so annoyed I haven't watched all of it. And Alan Cumming is sensational. I love the whole premise of it. And I love the fact that I've got a feeling that what you first think is gonna happen and what you first think from the opening very dramatic scene is completely gonna be completely turned on its head and not be the case at all. But um yeah, I l I loved it. I absolutely loved it. I thought I thought it was incredible. I really love the soundtrack as well. Even in that in the in the in the communal climax scene, is which is what I'm calling it. The the music in that was deployed absolutely brilliantly as well. And yeah, it does feel like it's going on slightly too long for me, that climax scene, but it's necessary. Oh, 100%. Yeah. You're gonna do a mass wank scene then. Mass Wank montage, you've got to go fully go. Oh, so he's he's throwing down the uh gauntlet to uh sex education and the famous famous wank montage from that. But the point the whole point about the wank montage is there is a serious point to it, which is it it's all they're all on their own. Yes. They're all in isolation. They're all isolated from each other and and that is a uh one of the main things that he's exploring in this series is how the effect that online social media and all of that has taken over taken us over to the extent where we're all being siloed on our own and t and and we're not communicating with other people properly. And it's actually hindering Communication more than anything. There's an incredible sequence where because the my problem is because I've watched the whole thing, I don't remember what happened when, but there's a whole communication is all I'd say that Alan Cummings character has with another character via text, via WhatsApp. Has that happened yet? No, that hasn't happened. So this is really a very very much a scene setup where you meet Leo, you meet Clive, you understand there's there's there's a relationship between them which you're not really sure what it is. Yeah. Yeah, there's an amazing scene where um a Leo, which is w which is um Alan Cummings character is is is as I say, what's happening this person. And I won't say anymore more, but it goes on quite long to and and he just keeps he he basically just one or two w wrongly, wrongly um Words can have a huge effect. on on a ripple effect just by saying the wrong thing in the tiniest little way in a communication that then's up being you know might be m made public, et cetera. And he's exploring all these different ways. In which It you know, it's it's a there's a terrifying reality to the modern world. I see. But isn't just it's it's partly the the politics, you know, Donald Trump is mentioned quite early on, I think in in in the Canal Street scene. And uh but he's not just simply saying, Oh, you know, it's i i in that sense it goes back to um years and years. It's like years and years meets Cruis folks or he describes it as 'cause years and years had a lot of was talking about the state of the world and this is as well. But it's talking about it from Not just politics wise, but also in the rise in just people being unhappy and people being violent, on the verge of violence, and people reading conspiracies, conspiracy theories online. And David Morris's character, Clive, is one of those people who is obsessed with all this stuff and believes all this stuff. And some of it is true. You know, Russell points out some of the conspira some conspiracies historically turned out to be true. There was a conspiracy to do so and so um Hillsborough for example just plucking that out of my you know that those actual conspiracies went on in the in what in the in the background to Hillsborough. But anyway, it's so it's a it's an absolute indictment of the modern world and a kind of a a kind of wake up call for us to be more aware of what's going on around us and the rise of bigotry and the rise of intolerance and how that's all happening online and how it's making us lonely and unsafe and you have to the whole um title tiptoe comes from used to storm into a place, you know, proudly, the the gay codes that now you're tiptoing around. You're s kind of scared as to what might happen. That scene I thought was kind of pivotal to setting out the stall of what this is. So this is where uh where Paul Reece sits down where Paul Ree. And they're talking about the state of what it is to be queer in twenty twenty six. And Alan Cumming has the kind of very kind of Pollyannerish view, oh it's fine, you know, section twenty eight, it's behind us, it's all fine, you know, we're accepting now. And Paul Rush is like, you're not paying attention. Like things have backstage to a point, you know, it happens very subtly sometimes, but you know, the president of the United States actively speaking out against you know the trans community or t it has knock on effects. Complacency. There is complacency. Exactly that complacency. And the fact that you know even because it made me stop and think quite a lot. Because I mean we we live and work in London in media, in the liberal liberal bubbles. So sometimes it's easy for us to think, oh, you know, we do live in a much more enlightened times because You know, we don't hear as much casual homophobia as we did, say, twenty years ago. But it has shifted and I would say the culture war lines have hardened and entrenched. And actually the discourse now feels almost not not as casually. sort of homophobic, but it feels like the rhetoric is much more venomous now. than it certainly was twenty years ago. Like it's become and again, Alan Cumming actually has an interesting line about that when he talks about, you know, this is all your fault. You were telling us what we could be, what we couldn't be. You're like a girl, you're like a boy. You should are you a girl? You guys should Right, fine, we're gonna be girls now. You don't like that either. I sorry, I was really trying not to spoil any any of this at all, but now you're really talking about the scene. That scene where he talks about pronouns is He goes there. This is the thing, this is what I think is such an incredible achievement because he goes there, he talks about the uh trans people and all of that. And as a character, his best mate, um Leo's Alan Cummings character is Leo's best friend is played by Elizabeth Barrington. Stephanie. Stephanie. And she is a gender critical. Yeah. I think we can use that phrase, um, person who does not is not enamored of trans activism, shall we say. And he's got trans employees at the bar where he where he which he runs, which he owns, um, spit and polish. And there are various trans characters in in the show. But he really cleverly addresses that point. w in her character. And there are some people who are gonna be annoyed because she's not just she's not just being sh not just being bigoted. She's a perfectly intelligent, you know, friendly decent person, but she has differing views. She has her own views. And and she's allowed to express those views. And you know, he challenges her on them and comes. But even to address that right now in this world we live in, particularly in this country, is is kind of brave. It's full on. It's controversial. From any of these issues. any of these ideas and talking about the proliferation and as you say particularly the complacency right now. But more above and beyond all of that, what I want to say about it is it's his first real thriller. So the second coming, which is the series about um the man who's Chris Rickelson is a big son of God. That uh we watched that recently and that uh mentioned a few weeks ago on the on the show. Um and that has thrillerish elements to it. It's kind of directed a bit like a thriller, but This is a proper full on. You're talking about the soundtrack. The ratcheting up of tension when it needs to in this is absolutely extraordinary. And it's a thriller. There are no car chases or explosions. Spoiler alert. It's all building to that first thing we see, as you talked about, we which you know the horrific image is the first shot of the whole thing. And each episode goes back to that incident. And and e and and and so all five episodes until you get to the full explanation of exactly w how it got to that point where that horrible thing happened that I'm not being specific about, you know. And it's just and it gets so tense. Honestly, it's one of the most intense and tense viewing experiences for a long time. And it's a real you know, it's a real it's a t it's a different turn for him, I think. Because he's still got his trademark humour. There's a lot to there's a lot of it that's funny. Yeah, and Alan Cummings a character is joyful. But you know, later on he gets he is really he gets he's in this position of being terrified because he one of the first things that happened Is I'm sorry. bang on about the whole thing uh uh uh in f pure detail. But the one of the sparking points for the whole story is he lends his key, his front door key, to someone else and he and he realizes at some point that things are being moved around in his house. Like his his uh medicine's been moved and a a wine glass might be tur up turned or turned down. And that creepy, what the who is coming invading my house thing, who is exploiting the fact that someone's got my key. What is happening to that? You've got this ongoing question which is revealed in a brilliant in a brilliant way, which is a proper like thriller shock moment. And things like that happen all the way through until you get to this extraordinary climax, which is so intense. And disturbing. It's uh it's extraordinary. So It's I think it's I I mean I am incredibly biased. You are yes, but that's fine. I'm not biased at all and it is absolutely brilliant. And I think w his genius I'm gonna use the G word, his genius is his ability to acknowledge and put on screen all the facets of people's personalities and someone who i people can be friends and have like you said w Stephanie's a g an amazing character um because she doesn't she does have community and they have those th you know there's a this amazing scene in the in the first episode where she's putting her point across and her opinion across forcefully to him. And then she's kissing him and cuddling uh this is Leo, kissing and cuddling her her best friend, because obviously he comes to rescue her she comes to rescue him with the key. But he's not afraid. RT is not afraid to put you know, pe like conversial and uncomfortable uncomfortable characters on screen. Characters that are uncomfortable to watch and he's not afraid to display that kind of um you know sort of maybe passive bigotry of people. And that's that's really clever what he's done with. And they're not just and David Morris's character is the is you know, you think ostensibly the villain he is a homo he is a homophobic conspiracy theorist there is no doubt. And how it all how it all develops, the conflict between them gets quite scary. And he he he David Morrissey goes there in a in a really extraordinary performance. And and and Alan Cumming has to do stuff, you know, Alan Cummings' most famous recent stuff has been hosting the US traitors. My God he shows another side to himself. 'Cause I know he's funny and entertaining to he gets into some really dark places. David Morrissey to be fair does kind of dour and sinister exceptionally does. He really does. Uh that's interesting to say it, because I was thinking, I wonder if he is because he's not overtly homophobic in the first episode. So I wondered if he he it was gonna turn out that he wasn't actually particularly. No, I mean I don't think that's a spoiler to say he he he yeah. They're both just but I was gonna say Alan Commissary isn't all you know isn't all goodness and, you know, wonderful, lovely he he he makes mistakes. He does stuff that is misguided. You know. I see that. So it's very complex. And and that it is one of the best things ever done. Really? I think so. Okay. Like yeah, 'cause it I li I think the marrying of the thriller genre with a kind of state of the nation mm thing is just so clever. And does this drop all at once? No. I think they dropped so I think they're showing two episodes, um Sun uh we' m Sunday and today Monday as this comes out. So it started last night, Sunday, and then final three Sunday, Monday, Tuesday next week. And I think it's going all online. The first two complicated dropping schedule. So I think the first two are on online from Sunday and then the final three will be online from the following Sunday, I think. If if the planets align and descendant. But as Russell often often says, no one knows what the fuck they do when it comes to scheduling these things. I mean he's absolutely right. Oh and one final thing I would just when you mentioned. He he is the one who started the whole campaign in my in on this show for me that every single streaming particularly show has to start at the end or the middle and go back and rewind and look fashion back. And he has been the staunch Critique, critic, critique, critique of that method of storytelling. But he had to do it for this series. This is the first time he's ever done it. Because it just works. It is all about how you end up at the point what the first thing you see in that opening sequence. Which is incredibly distressing. So yeah. He he, of all people, it is extraordinary has given in to the fashion. For a very specific reason. Extremely good. Right, tiptoe then, and we move on now to two weeks in August on BBC One. This is Catherine Shepherd's series about a group of friends who hop across to a villa in Greece for a sunny getaway, only for their friendships to buckle. Under the Aegean sun. Mm-hmm. Tell us more about two weeks in August, please. I'm gonna tell you the quote from um Catherine Shepherd, who is a she was a she was an actress, Katherine Shepard. She was in um the Julia Davis show. Um, what was it called? Sally forever. Oh yeah, Sally for everyone. And you're so you recognize and she's been um and this is actually made by the people who produce that show as well. So there's a Julia Davis connection. And you can imagine a version of this where the Julie Davis is in, actually, in any way. Um, but I want to read the quote from her about what her description of what she's trying to do. This is a story about what it's like to try and be happy in a very anxious and confusing world. And at its core about a woman struggling to play all the role she's been given by life. How do you enjoy yourself for two weeks in August when the world appears to be falling apart around you? I hope it will be as funny and sad and thrilling and beautiful, ridiculous, and heartbreaking as real relationships between humans are. And furthermore, she came up with this idea of Of focusing on so it's particularly mostly about Jessica Raine's character, Zoe. But it is an ensemble piece. It is a bit white load to see. from that point of view. You've got lots of disparate characters who can who are connected and know each other, arriving, gathering in a very hot locale on a Greek island, and lots of sexual shenanigans and lots of flirting and illicit stuff is happening. So it's got that and even in the music actually, particularly in the soundtrack. You know in in how in the White Lotus got this jaunty music going on all the time. This has quite similar um soundtrack approach. But it's very different. Equally it's a very different piece to to um to that. But what is fascinating about it for me is that she got a um psychologist to like too involved. So she created these characters and she went to the psych psychologist and Simplifying it. Give me back give me their psychological back insight to psychological profiles. Yeah, so psychical profiles of all the characters uh and what are their different issues they might be going through. So she created these proper biographies for all of them, detailing what they've gone through, think stuff secrets and lies within their lives. Particularly like so you've got, for example, the character, the gay guy, who's played brilliantly by Hugh Skinner of 2026 Fame. And I uh can can H Hugh Skinner can do no wrong, but this is his best performance so far, by far. And his best friend is played by Layla Farzad, who is phenomenal. She was in the Billy Piper series that was on Sky of. I hate Susie. Thank you. I hate Susie. The dementia is fully fully functioning today. And their best friend, she's he's like gay guy and gay guy's best friend. And she and and they're completely reliant on each other. They are, you know, you know, and everything they do. And she's kind of resentful. He brings a new kind of love interest to be met online. And then that guy's got two gay mates who come along as well. She's got they've got these three youngsters who are both like barely in their twenties and he and they're both in their forties. And she's completely judgmental about him. But the w and you can totally tell the psychologist has has filled in what they're both their issues are, both with each other and themselves. Well they had this pact, didn't they, that they were gonna get married and or have a baby. Which is thing that you're gonna people do a lot, right? Those packed things. Oh yeah you know, in five years time we'll both we'll baby et such a but that's just one example all of the characters are totally ring shoes psychologically I think with that brilliant idea of getting getting professional guidance as to what they've been through these characters And yeah, and the same time you've got Jessica Rayner, who's also never been better. Easily her controller. She's good. She has to deal with the kids. Yeah. Her useless husband, but played by Damian Maloney, fresh off Bergerac, K's favourite, who is like could not be more different than he is on Bergerac. He's really he he's fantastic. They're all brilliant. Talk about the key to having a good show is having a really good cost. Everyone in this is fantastic. He is annoying. He's been through a trauma and he and he's like taking out on her and he's being horrible to her. She's a massive shit. She's a massive twir. She's got her mum is calling her every every minute of the day to to to be obnoxious and annoying to her. And she's got to deal with her own obsessions with various other members of the of the friendship group that they've gathered. This fucking holiday that turns into a nightmare. And she's brilliant. Absolutely Every single step of the way. She and she's having visions, by the way, of these Greek Yeah. I was wondering if you were gonna get to that. Yeah I'm getting to the mythical Greek characters, yeah, because that was the thing that prevented some people from noting. You were talking someone this morning that someone this morning and they said that that Kay we didn't want to watch the kids say. I can but so the mythical Greeks of I could have done without. So I like one semi problem with it. It's only a semi problem that didn't bother me. I finished the I'll watch the whole thing, all eight episodes. Mm and I think it's brilliant. But the Greek the recurring imagery of these three Greek figures, one of whom, by the way, is is naked. So you see this woman With the boobs out. Jessica Rayners always having these visions. I you know, there often there are lots of show dramas where they like to have a layer of, you know, kind of imagery like this. That has you know Kind of. Almost designed to deepen the whole thing and you're it's it's not enough just to have an ensemble of people who are all falling apart and all having illicit activities with each other. I'm also gonna have a bit of imagery thrown in and I could have done without it to be honest, but equally I can understand it it does work within its own. It's d it d it If it achieves what it's trying to do, I think, and which I'm are you underlying her, she's having a real moment. And she's having almost like a descent into madness. She's seeing things and you know and it's not helping, right? I I don't I don't think I don't think it needed it. I don't think it needs it. I think it takes away from kind of what is actually an in incredible um sort of analysis of the human condition and um the dynamics of group behaviour. And any i I don't know if you guys have ever been on uh group holidays, but group these guys. Don't go on a group holidays. I've been on group holidays. Don't go on a group holidays, but on a group holiday, you know, the God. It's Jessica Rain's character is the is is the people pleaser. She wants everyone to have a great time. To her detriment. She doesn't care what happens. She wants everyone to have she's trying to keep the this this her husband who's Yes, th things have happened to her husband and it's awful and She he's so awful to her. He's just so he's such a shit. And you know, if you've ever been on a group holiday, you might have witnessed a couple who have that kind of dynamic that they're going through a difficult time and, you know, everything's sort of spoken it's with gritted teeth and she's it's Kind of painful to watch. brilliance of that is it's so true to life. It's absolutely horrific. I feel the pain of character having to she does everything. She's like you say, she's looking after the kids. She's got uh she's got parents at home that she has to deal with, and she has to do it all with a smile on her face. And she has to do that because otherwise she will fall apart, which is maybe why they have put this kind of Greek thing in, which which I I didn't enjoy, I didn't like that. I didn't need it because there's a scene where they take, you know, mushroom oil and stuff and you know, that that's really funny and they're you know, kind of they're talking and you know, those kinds of things do happen on group holidays. People all g get together and they decide, Oh, we're gonna like try mushrooms and let's all, you know, do mad stuff together. But this is what happens when it gets massively out of hand. Oh, completely. Didn't you I just I could I I'm I warn you I could bang on about this because I uh the this started last weekend, so it's been on a while and it was a we we couldn't do it because it was um embargo until it came out. I'm so glad we're doing it now. I've watched the whole thing. Have you finished it yet? I haven't, but I will. This is a show where you watch the first episode and you think this cannot possibly sustain eight eight hours. But it does definitely occur to you. But I honestly I guarantee you, James, I think you really enjoy it. No, this is his health. Well, we'll come on to that. I I know it's it fails the Bell An test spectacularly. Cring I'm sure. There's a lot of cringe stuff going on as well. But I think it's so good and the characters are so clever. Yeah. Cleverly drawn. Um you got uh Leia the the the nanny, the French nanny. Oh she's hysterical. She's great. She refuses to watch over the kids. And I mean she's got that What they've done is they've given her kind of what is, I suppose, a stereotypical French attitude towards games. And she's she's like I mean, it's been on. So can I say what happens to the the husband, Jessica Rain's husband. Can I say that? What happen what happens what happens to him to m why he's so unhappy and what had happened to him? So he reveals that, you know, he's he's been desperately unhappy and then she turns to him and she just says But you didn't die. And it's just it one she gets the best one liners. She's fantastic. She's brilliant. And then you've got these two very um spoilt posh rich people couple played by um Dolly Wells and Tom Goodman Hill. Uh Dolly Wars' character is called Flick. And they are kind of this presence. They've been living there on this island for years and they've got a massive, massive like mansion. And to start with, you just see they bump into them and you see them, you meet them as these two really annoying people and then they invite them to this huge Back an alien party at their massive mansion in that like halfway through the series, maybe episode four or five. And it's such a great s the whole episode is at this party, and it's phenomenal. You know, when you and it's all just stuff like what it's like to be at a party when you're an outsider know who are these fucking freaks and what the fuck is going on with them. It's just I think it's I think it's borderline up there with White Lotus and there's no greater compliment from me. Just in particular the characters. Like I think it Uh again, the Greek thing is my one but that's the kind of thing you get in the White Lotus, by the way, that imagery the use of the imagery. So that's the one Talking point. But for the rest of it, I absolutely loved it. And I loved how even when it gets quite silly, or what James might call silly towards the end. When certain things happen, you think, Oh, really? Like there's Suddenly it people have to swim quite far out to a thing. I won't try not to spoil anything. I'm not sure they do that. Um stuff like that happens. You believe it because the curses are so well drawn. They're all so three dimensional. Yeah. I I think it's believe. Because it is, because it is like fascinating to watch these people. Um, James, please tell us. I I didn't mind the Greek thing. Oh random. Yeah, that didn't worry me at all. You know, I'm I and it add a bit of fancy and I'm there. Do you know I'm give me Greek mythology and I'm actually more invested than I was previously. To be honest, that person isn't in the first episode. Uh, but I yeah, I I thought it was fine. Like, but I only saw the first episode. So but I d it didn't compel me to watch more of it, I've got to be honest. I thought I thought it was okay, but again, part of that is because every single person in it is absolutely loathsome, with the sole exception, with the sole exception of that one character. She's the only one you don't take an instant quite visceral dislike to. Oh no, he's really annoying. Why would you do that to your best friend? He's a bella Layla Far said you can get like she's she's fine. But he's he's incredibly self absorbed. Completely without any thought for other people. Also like there's a part of me that I I I think I found it quite triggering where they turn up at this apartment and they're the last ones there and they get the shittest room and uh and it's like and he's clearly really annoyed. She's like, no, it's fine, it's fine. I was like, I'm on I'm annoyed on your behalf. Like I am I am I am I am seething here in this terrible room. Yeah. Um that I I enjoyed part of it and there's a like the whole thing with the it wasn't the Greek stuff. It was the whole thing with the mushroom oil and the stuff that goes on during that. I was just like, I'm not sure this was needed. Well I think you could have had human drama without mushrooms. No, you can't, because that's the kind of thing that happens on Greek holidays. People take mushrooms and start. People take mushrooms and start doing crazy. Don't you know they do. People do stuff like that too. I think we're on very different holidays. Ha ha. Mythology the mythical creature stuff doesn't happen, but people do like when adults of a certain age get together, they all go completely looping like you know that brilliant scene where they're deciding and Jessica Vane's character goes, Well I'll do it if you do it and that is what happens. Yeah. I must admit I I was out with some friends recently and one of those conversations came up and I was just shaking my head but going, Absolutely not. What are you talking about? No. I'm that person. I'm like, n no, no, but I'll just watch you look at it. Yeah, you do what you want. I'll be sitting here with my diet coat. Thank you very much. Uh but yeah, I so yeah I did I think it was good. Yeah, I yeah, but I didn't you know it didn't it didn't get me. I didn't get like Massive white loaders vibes from it, I've got to honest. But but uh Boyd, you know, highly commended to you because you've watched all of this, you've watched all of Tiptoe. You are the MVP. Oh, thank you. Except he's watched none of Yellowstone. But look, look, let's not talk about I was just gonna say I think you you you you didn't love it, but it is the kind of a lot of people have been coming up to me and saying have you watched last morning alone? We had a w to chat with one of our colleagues. Yeah, a friendly when she came up with success with the whole thing. I think it is the thing that people are talking about, I think except everyone except James is talking about it, because the thing is. First of all, it's it's now. We've already said it's basically on now, isn't it? Yeah. It was all on iPlayer, yeah. All on iPlay, so look. We've been building up to it. It's time for the main event. I know. It's time for the main event because it's time to talk about La Brian. Yeah. Right. So many notes on this. Finally this week, it's the it's the moment you've been waiting for La Brea. Now this is a series that sees Wait for a sinkhole open up in downtown LA, right by We've all been there, right by the La Brea Tar Pits. Whole load of people fall in. get transported back. prehistoric times. Now there's a lot to unpack here. Uh in case you are unaware. Breah. Which is a network sci fi show. in the US in September of twenty twenty one. It's second season. And it did get one in twenty twenty two. And they I even had a third season in twenty twenty four. Now. Its first season, we should say, also dropped very quietly in the UK on Paramount Plus back in August of 2022. So it's not even day being here for the first time, but nobody noticed. But however, Sky have. In their infinite wisdom acquired this. And they are dropping, as I understand it, seasons one and two, but not three. Oh. As a box set. Unless it is all three. Maybe it is all three. But I only saw one and two mentioned. It may be three as well. Anyway, it's dropping as a box set. On Sky One? Yes. That sounds right. Okay. That's right. Creator David Appelbaum pitched this. Way, way back during the pandemic. As the new lost. And he was so brazen about it, there is even a line of referencing in this first episode. I'm saying Bold man. Fiff Please wax lyrical about the modern masterpiece. That is. Laprier. Okay. I spent a large portion of my time watching this thinking Is this a Is this is this actually a real show? I would like to say that one of my biggest fears in life is falling into a hole. I'm serious. Like I worry about that quite a lot. You know it's like you see people on like Greek Islands and they accidentally like fall into a massive hole and then they can't get out. Didn't the woman in New York happened the other day and I read it to us. Yeah, just like you told me. She fanhole. Void, someone's falling down a manhole. This is one of my biggest fears. Falling down uh manholes, falling down just holes that appear anywhere, things that people haven't covered up. I worry about that quite a lot. Anyway, let's not you know baby Jessica when she fell down the hole, got anyway, let's not talk about that. But it is uh one of my biggest fears. So this for me was quite triggering. It was quite triggering. However. This is the corniest, I mean. Everything about it is corny. Everything about it is predictable. Everything about it is so It's like if it's like the B it's like a D movie of like Jurassic Park mashup and It's almost like they've gone back in time to another era. But one of the things that's so crazy is throughout this whole first episode, the mums hair is it maintained I love that this is what you've latched onto. It's absolutely ridiculous to think that a woman could fall into another world and her maintain her tongued hair for the Whole of the episode. Tongued. All tonged. It's just it's just ridiculous. Nothing no injuries, no visible injuries. Everybody she's wearing a blazer at one point. Like it's w it's so ridiculous. Okay, so Hair and outfit staying totally intact for all of them. And do you know when they they hone in, the first thing she does when she falls down the hole, this massive hole, is check for cell phone reception. I mean, we all hear enough. Yeah. That's fair. That's one of the few realistic moments of the case. Oh my God. No, no, no, no. Okay. This is a two screen show, a hundred percent. She doesn't know yet. Ten thousand years already. No, it's and but I would say if you're going back in in time and and you believe that you can outrun a pack of vicious wolves, and then you actually do outrun a pack of vicious wolves, you've really got to you've just got to be like what This show is absolutely insane. It is insane. Not to mention the dad who's not in the sinkhole is having these visions of what's happening. I mean it's just absolutely mental, this show. It's just completely insane. And every town I was thinking, this is this is this can't be an actual show. That said. That's that said, Steph, watch the whole season. No, because I loved I thought the concept was really good. I thought I did I thought this is a good concept. Like they go they fall down a massive, massive hole and some people know about the hole and so and they go, you know what, we're gonna you know and I watched the the trailer for What Happens Next and obviously they're gonna go down the hole and find out what happens. Um, but yeah, when the the other thing is everyone seems to be able to find each other with with with relative ease. You know, they're at a site of a massive sinkhole. People are going dangerously close to that sinkhole, the people that are in LA and not not worrying or fall falling in themselves. And Or also like when they're in the other world they they just have to a couple of give a couple of shouts and then they find the person. But all of the No, don't go Oh my gosh, I mean don't let him die. You know, all of that kind of stuff is just I mean it's the parody thing I think is fair comment and it's so bad you almost it almost feels like it's intentional. It's got the shotow feel to it. It's absolutely shot. So my my final point on this is It is enjoyable to watch. Is it though? Yeah. I mean No, I I beg to differ. It's not massively enjoyable, but it's like this is kind of enjoyable. You can watch it. It's not so bad, it's good, it's so bad, it's so bad. Oh yeah. Yeah. It's cringe for the reasons that they don't in the issue that's funny in the fact that it's the paradise. Well I think is really funny about it is that um The guy clearly came up with this whole concept and he went, you know, he pitched it, you can imagine him pitching it to the executives going, So it's this massive sinkhole in LA, right? And you know and then they fall down, then they go back 10,000 years. And so the people down the sinkhob living 10,000 years previously, and then the people living in the ordinary. And it's like he didn't think beyond that. Didn't think of the consequences. But how do you make a I mean quite hell though mine mine three seasons of this shit. Isn't it? How how the hell have they turned that into um the number of episodes that there are. Thirty episodes of this. Did you enjoy it? No, I enjoyed from the point of the disbelief of it. I enjoyed the first twenty minutes. I enjoyed watching the not very well done sinkhole scene. Which is a bit like the remember twenty twelve, the film? Right. The twenty twelve has a brilliant opening half hour, I would say, depict what would happen if the end of the world is coming and earthquakes and everything. Every disaster movie trope you could possibly think of is in the first twenty twenty five minutes of twenty twelve. And they're kind of all in the f the first five, ten minutes of the. But Roland Emory had a significantly larger. That's what I was gonna say. So I kept thinking I was watching it on my laptop. And I was thinking I might need to call James to get the is is the CGI just terrible looking on my laptop or is it actually just terrible? Oh it's very much like a school project. Yeah, and it's like Shock Nado level because all those Shock Nado films, what's interesting is they're all kind of made because you can get really cheap CGI now. Clearly. And you can do anything. You can have flying sharks. And I'm surprised they didn't do have flying sharks. I mean I should have made this show. Hundred percent. Yeah. So um it is just it just has a cheap and kind of cheesy quality to it right from the beginning. And every single moment of it is just cheese, layer upon layer of cheese and stupidity. And I could not deal with watching another episode of the channel. Oh no, I don't think anyone should watch it. Because you said it was fun. It's fine. It was kind of enjoyable like what I'm saying is I'm not thinking, oh God, that's an that that's forty five minutes of my life, I'm not gonna get back. It was an experience to watch it, but I don't think anyone else should watch it. I was Aw struck. by how terrible it was. I almost you almost want to stand up and applaud how bad it is because the CGI is atrocious. The dialogue is toe curlingly awful. The acting is extraordinarily bad. Yeah. Fails on every single level. I bet Peter says some well it's got three seasons. But that's my point that there's there is something But even the plotting is nonsense as well. And the decisions the characters make are inexplicable. And it's just Okay, well let's go back to a point that we often make then. 'Cause obviously some people enjoyed this. Is it because it's so terribly predictable that people find it easy to watch. It's it's comfort it's a kind of comforting disasters. I I think there was a certain groundswell of it's so bad, it's good, hate watching going. I do think that that is something what happened and certainly what I looked up on the internet tends to bear that out. Okay. But I just like I n I don't understand that. No, because the thing is Think about when this came out. Yes, there was a pandemic going on. Absolutely. Like we all went a bit mad. It's fine. That is true. 2021. But this feels like a sci-fi channel show from like the late 90s. Like it really does. It genuinely has gone back in time to another era. of network television. And it's just like it's like the last two decades never happened for this show. But is that it's charm. No. Charm is a is a strong word. I don't know. It's a character isn't kind of charmless is part of the problem. Okay, I'm just I'm playing Devil's Advocate because I really don't want people to waste their time watching this. But there is some level of enjoyment that I think some people will have if they watch it. Okay. Should you choose two. Okay. La Brea then available as a boxer on Sky One. It could be all three seasons if you're lucky. It's going out live on Sky One of Sunday nights as well. Yes. Oh yeah, yeah. Wow nine o'clock Sunday night. It's it's that or it's going on at the same time as tiptoe. I think So our show of the week is La Brea. I would like uh I would like it if somebody uh some of the listeners would watch it and and tell us if they also think it's terrifying. Feel free. People will have watched it. Feel free to know to share with us your thoughts on the brea. I w Yes, because I want to know what they believe are the redeeming features. Some. And I do think some as I've said again, I do think some people will enjoy it. Not me. Not you personally. No. But others. Others may. Right. Let's talk about what else is on this week. I mean, the Kaling's new show needs not suitable for work. Drops on Disney Plus on Tuesday the second. Uh what else we've got? The witness drops on Netflix on Thursday and Cape Fear. Comes to Apple on Friday. I'm hoping we will be reviewing that on Pilot Plus. We will see how that shakes out. Uh anything else I've missed there, Boydie? No, I think that's about it. That is about it. Okay, fine. And our pick of the week is Yellowstone. Yellowstone. Fighting hell. Tip titular. Oh, tiptoe. Fantastic. That is it for this week's Pilot TV Podcast. We hope you enjoyed yourselves as ever. Social medias at Pilot TV Pod. You know the rest. Please leave us a five star rating if you haven't already.