Artemis Mission and Closing Thoughts

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If you're tired of endless scrolling to figure out where to eat, same. I'm Stephanie Wu, editor in chief of Eater . We've just launched the newish and way better Eater app. It has all the restaurants we love, gives you personalized picks wherever you are, and serves up smarter search results just for you. You can find my list of the best places for martinis and fries in New York City. And save your favorite spots, share lists, follow editors, and book right in the app. Download the eater app at eaterapp.com. It's free for iOS users . I would like to say you have dropped the F bomb three times now. I'm at zero. Just for the record . Hi everyone. This is Pivot from New York Magazine and the Box Media Podcast Network. I'm Kara Swisher. Scott is off still. I don't know where Scott is . He's just off rambling around. Actually, I'm gonna see him tonight at the premiere of my uh new series for CNN. Uh but I brought on another incredible co-host. He's been ambassador to Japan and the mayor of Chicago. It seems like he's running for president. It's Rom Emanuel. Hey, R. How you doing? I'm good. How are you? Good, good. You have been everywhere. What what's happening? Try to tell us what's happening, besides lecturing the Democratic Party, which we'll get to in a minute. But what what what do what are you doing? Well, um first of all I'm listening to American people. I've been out and uh talking to them about things like how to make sure they get ahead, their families get ahead on the community college plan. Uh but also, you know, like a young man I met in Spartanburg who's going to community college. He's got a job waiting at GE for 33 an hour with benefits and he was unemployed. And what they're doing at that community college is exactly what I want to see us do everywhere. Something similar we did in Chicago, something similar lacrosse. But also, you know, listening to the nurse in Iowa who's talking about that she now spends close to fifty percent of her time arguing with insurance companies. So and about how to make sure that people get the health care that they're actually her and the doctor are prescribing. So that's what I'm about doing. You've always been a public figure, but often in the in the national way you've been a sort of behind the s and you've been a congressperson. But h how do you how is it different what you're doing here in terms of running for president or trying or thinking about running for president? Yeah, I mean that's fair. Well, I mean I've been a congressman, I've been a mayor of a not insignificant city. Yeah, front facing. Yeah, uh also chairman of uh leadership in Congress. But that said , I mean you're evaluating uh uh and one of the things I know about running for office uh is you gotta make sure your head, your heart, and your gut are all aligned. Uh I thought I I'm gonna just say it up front, I don't need a title. Mm-hmm. I got more titles, I can auction them off. Mm-hmm. I'm also I'm about getting stuff done. Like take something I'm very proud about. You know this from our many conversations. We raised our graduation rate from 56 to 83%. 98% of our kids had a pan post-high school, college, community college, branch of the armed forces education school. I'm not I'm about getting stuff done, not about getting another title. And do I think I actually understand what it takes to move this country and move help the American people get ahead and their kids get ahead? And do I have the fortitude to do that? And so that's what what I'm looking at. I'm not tired I don't need, as I said, titles is for other people. Getting crap done is what we did in Chicago. 20,000 kids went to community college for free. Every child had a plan post-high school on education. We started pre-K in kindergarten. So I'm into moving stuff, and as I like we like to say in Chicago, taking the garbage out , getting stuff done. You evaluate that. Right. But you know this also takes I jokingly said when I was recruiting candidates for Congress, takes a l a little level of a little kind of irrational act because you're jumping over without uh any nothing below and nothing above. Mm-hmm. So if you're like Ram Rahm Emanuel evaluating you as a competitor, what would be your biggest asset and your biggest negative from Oh wow. This is good get this good. I'm getting on the couch and we get to make sure Blue Cross covers it. Yeah, we are. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh so at one level on the positive side and here's how I stand it is putting out ideas from like we did on elementary w uh school and learning and reading and addressing the fifty percent of our kids can't read, went to Mississippi. How to reform our high schools so they're less about the Bahoma, more about college career planning and community college and vocational ed, to social media band. Basically a wealth of ideas. I am tired of having a debate about how to restore past and about how to build a future. And that is what I'm looking at So on that point, get an eight. Uh on the kind of strength and energy that is determined not only for the job , uh bringing there uh an A game as well. I'd agree. And I also think more importantly, telling people the truth. I'm not gonna tell you what you want to hear, I'm gonna tell you what I think you need to know. And we're in this together rather than trying to fight each other all the time. And that's a rare moment for a middle child to say that. Uh on the other side is you have a campaign which is slightly about it's not slightly, there's a big debate about generational change, and I've been around. Now the good news of that is uh I I think I know the family room, I know what I call uh the classroom, the break room, the boardroom, the situation room, and I want the Democrat ic Party to get out of the bathroom. I'm tired of being there. Sure. Right. Is it I I'm just curious, is it do you ever worry about like you and I are both, I would say, difficult people in a good way, necessarily. And I'm I'm saying that about myself too and we're let's just just let's do it smoother. We're we're acquired taste. Right. That's what I mean. We're acquired taste. Do you I mean because you know there's there's a there's a a likability kind of thing and I I like you. But what do you think about that that? or has changed No, you know, uh no, because uh first of all I know how I am out with I'm out about people where I was in La Crosse, Wisconsin, in Grand Rapids, Michigan, in Franklin, New Hampshire, or in the uh what is referred to in South Carolina as the Corridor of Shame in Abbeyville, etc., all the black counties that were ignored by uh Columbia, South Carolina. So I know that. On the other hand, I am, I am, I mean, again, this gets back to this is true for you, it's true for me, it's true for everyone, which is your strengths, your weakness. I'm direct, I'm forthright. Nobody walks away from me and goes bo,y, was he subtle. We didn't really know what he said. Charmer. He's a real charmer. Yeah, that guy. That one level that works. At another level, it doesn't. And that, but here's the thing, I'm at a point in my life. This would be the last race. I'm gonna tell you what I think has to happen. As I said, in twenty twenty four you didn't have twenty twenty eight it's gonna be Baskin and Robins, and I plan on being Rocky Road. Right, Rocky Road. I'm I'm gonna say this is in this moment of where I'm with my therapist, Miss Doctor Swisher. Yeah, right, that's me. I am liberated. Mm-hmm. In a different place than I've been as President Obama's chief of staff or as mayor or ambassador or whatever. I'm gonna this is it. Final race. I'm gonna leave it on the field in the sense of we as a country literally have hunger games. I'm this is about the future. We've had two presidents who've argued about restoring a past that's not coming back. And either we're going to build that future or we're going to talk about America in past tense. And I don't want to do that. And I'm not going to sit here on the sidelines comment ing about it. Yeah, yeah. You've run out of fucks, but you never had fucks, Rom. So that's that's kind of an interesting situation. This is really interesting. I really am fascinated. You know, I a lot of people ask me about you. I'm like, I don't know, maybe it's appealing to people, right? You don't have to be slick, you don't have to be likable, you know, and obviously Trump has turned from he had a charisma to something else that's really cool. Politics. President Obama was an answer to George Bush. George Bush was an answer to Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton was an answer to the Reagan Bush years . Not where is Donald Trump? You're interested in clicks ? I'm not at that. I'm interested in kids knowing calculus. You're interested in social media posts? Great. I'm interested in making sure we know our social studies. So that's not it. And I think where the puck will be in 2028 isn't about how do you how do you imitate Donald Trump? It's actually how do you act like an adult. And I think if we're all honest with ourselves, I do look, President Biden, uh Bill Back Better, Donald Trump's MAGA is about restoring something that is not coming back. The sooner we get to figuring out a future and then how to work together to get that done, we'll actually matter. And the reason all the things I happen to think education is the ticket to the middle class and the families making it and your kids making it. The reason I've been so focused on it is you're not getting there with fifty of percent our kids not able to read at grade level. You're not getting there when we don't have a plan how to make sure that we have the electricians, the carpenters, the sailors, the nurses, or the chemical engineers , not just people that know how to do fast trading on the stock market, but the engineers that know how to actually build something for the future. That to me is more important. And if it's not rejected, my ego 's not hurt. I'll have done what I think I think is important to shape the debate and get us focused on the future in a way that I think the last twenty years we've been refocused on the past. anti Donald Trump. Or it can be a little bit. As you said, I remember you said, let's make the n to twenty twenty six anti Donald Trump and then we leave him behind in the dustbin, like if they win, if the Democrats Yeah, I mean twenty twenty six is we just coming him in the shadows of Wiscons in. It is a re rubber s it is a referendum on Donald Trump and a rubber stand for Republicans. Twenty twenty-eight is a choice election. And unless we have a compelling story to tell about the future and what we're gonna do , we won't win that. We have to have a compelling story. And that is my focus not only for the campaign, but more importantly, for the country. And that also I can tell you from being all over the country . We have to make common cause with the largest party in America, which is independent, nonallians. Stop talking to ourselves and start talking to the people that will determine, because in the last three presidential elections , seven states, seven hundred thousand voters have determined who's the president of the United States. And if we don't find common cause with quote unquote independent voters, we will continue to be a minority party. And that has been my political take. Same thing. So let's get to the news then. Let's talk about what's happening right now. And we'll talk a little bit more about the future after that. But as of this recording , the Iran, this is an important thing for the future. The Iran war ceasefire is looking a little shaky. There's confusion around the status of the Strait of Hormuz, and the disagreement over whether the truce includes Lebanon. Trump announced a two-week ceasefire on Tuesday night. Two weeks is always his magic number. He backed down from his threat of a whole the whole civilization would die if the deal wasn't reached. Jimmy Kimmel called it the Taco Tuesday of all Taco Tuesday. And then of course, you know, it's um you know, walk back Wednesday essentially. Uh Megan Kelly, I'm gonna play her. I don't usually do it because she gives me a headache, wasn't too happy either. Um but listen to this, listen to this, let's play Now as you can imagine that post did not go over well with the Iranians or with many Americans. I mean, I don't know about you, but I am sick of this shit. I'm just I'm f I'm s ick of it. Can't he just behave like a normal human? I mean honestly like the president I 3d chess sh shut up fucking shut up about that shit. You don't threaten to wipe out an entire civilization. We're talking about civilians just casually in a social media post . I don't often agree with Megan, but there you go. I think she's sort of articulating what's happening on the road. You like Megan Kelly. The upside of this. A new a new level of uh humanity in you that's been found towards people you disagree But Pope Leo is also weighing in calling the threat against Iranian people truly unacceptable. He's in a his for some reason Trump's gotten in a beef with the Pope, which is terrible. In terms of what happens next, Vice President J.D. Mance is traveling to Pakistan to for peace talks this weekend along with Steve Whitkoff and Jared Kushner, uh Dumb and Dumber. Trump says that all US military personnel and assets will stay near Iran until real agreement is reached. Talk a little bit about this. You've been in these rooms. Like what is h it seems like he's not playing chess, he's eating the pieces, like or or something, or maybe he's not getting good advice, or else he's cognitively has some problems. Yeah, I don't wanna I don't wanna just say about the room, but it's clear there isn't the situation room. They've moved it into the Oval Office and whoever walks in what there's a couple doors, there's four doors there's there's one outside, there's one to the uh you know where the assistants lit s uh sit, there's one to the goes to the Roosevelt room, and there's one that also goes to the uh first president's library. I they've moved it all in there. There's not a serious analysis. Uh think about this. You have Secretary Vance, uh rather Vice President Vance is going there. You have Wickoff and Wig uh and Jared Kushner with no diplomatic uh support. Go back when they're meeting uh in Geneva. There was no experts around the nuclear capacity or everything. Wickoff and concessions to avoid the military confrontation. And neither Kushner or Wickhoff understood. Understood it. Now, I said this jokingly, but I'm very serious. If they ever do a sequel to Dumb and Dumber, there's going to be a lot of competition for who gets to play the lead in this administration. Right. Now the other pieces and you led on this and we're talking about what Megan Kelly's uh uh said. Um look there's a lot of different roles to the president. There is the moral voice of the presidency when the challenger goes down, you know, bringing a country or 9-11 like President Bush. There is the commander-in-chief, which is the most solemn position of the president of the United States . The president, the commander-in-chief , Roosevelt understood it when he said America would be the arsenal of democracy. Lincoln understood it at the beginning of the war, he understood it midway when he did the Emancipation Proclamation, changing the definition of the war. We have a president of the United States who has asked fifty plus thousand servicemen and women, not counting all the other pieces that are supporting those fifty thousand on the front l ine to achieve a mission of national security importance for the United States. And he's talking about obliterating a civilization. You owe the troops a definition of why. You owe the servicemen and the country, you owe the servicemen, here's what victory will look like, so we've accomplished our goals, and here's how it's going to end, and this is how we know we have succeeded in one and two. None of that by the commander in chief has been accomplished. And so when you say to me you've got to be declaring victory over and over and caravan. Step back . Underneath what you just said, you know and everybody else in the world knows except for people at 1600 Pennsylvania. Nobody believes our president. Now, this has been overused as an anecdote. When Stevenson goes to see De Gaulle during the Cuban Missile Crisis, he's about to take photos out, the Gaulle says, I have the word of the President of the United States. I don't need those photos. Nobody would do that here. Everybody is looking at our Keystone cops at 1600 Pennsylvania. They know a president of the United States who d literally truth is the most flexible thing he's ever said. He doesn't believe in truth. He believes in spin. And so w this is the degradation of the word, the credibility and the and the mantle of the president of the President of the United States and more importantly, the United States of America, because this is a baton that gets handed off. So at every level, not only did they start not knowing that they actually had accomplished something. They were too foolish and stupid and arrogant to know that. B they go into a war without clear objectives. And then they literally talk about a victory here. Now I have I thought about the you know there's two points I would make right now . Because they went into a war to obliterate, degradate, whatever word you want to use, the nuclear capacity of Iran. They already had obl even Tillus was like, We obliterated it, then we obliterated again and then now we're gonna obliterate it. He was even making fun of the of the Iran discovered they have a nuclear operation called the Strait of Hermoose. So first and foremost, declare a policy, either all ships get out or no ships get out . That would cut off Iran's economic lifeline to China and would put pressure on both of them. Two, midi medium term . The United Nations International Maritime Group would run the Strait of Hormuz in the sense of a fee that would be split between Iran, Bahrain, UAE, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, all the countries affected. So they don't collect it. The United Nations, an international association does, and it's split because the war affected both parties, not one party. Third, and doesn't allow Iran to control the Strait of Armus, which is an international body of w Waterater Body. Long term , take the Abraham Accord for the United States as a part of two , and do three things and use it, which doubles down on America as a permanent power in the in that part of the world, which is the Iran's goal, which is to get us out, to build pipelines for Bahrain, Kuwait, Iraq, UAE, and other countries in that region out to the Strait of Hormuz to the Red Sea or to Oman uh Gulf, the Gulf of Oman. That would have a short-term, medium-term, long-term plan, and would also reinforce that the Abraham Accords of the United States has is the vehicle for our Gulf allies and countries that don't become now subjugated to Iran's blackmail and corrosion coercion uh coercion. To me, that is the most important. Now I, don't think, in fact, I can tell you this, since I haven't seen a single idea where except for the president says, well, Iran's 10 points are pretty good. I can't believe a president of the United States, a commander-in-chief, a leader of the free world, a person with a military uh instrument that he has, just said the other party , their term sheet is the term sheet we're gonna work off of. Everybody in the quote unquote art of the deal, you don't use No, you do not. So at every level, I find this uh uh incredibly dangerous, reckless. Right. What's occurring here? Because his own people are like he doesn't know like what was really interesting about the the New York Times piece is like they're all running for the hills because they're all telling him wasn't me, wasn't me, it was him. They're pointing fingers at him directly, not at or at BB Netanyahu, but there's certainly trying to say, I thought it was farcical. That's obviously from the head of the CIA. I thought it was wrong, Susie Wiles, et cetera, et cetera. Yeah, no, they're gonna let they're gonna let one guy where the the guy with the Dunce camp gets to keep the Duncecaft at the end of this process. Here's what I would say to you: is there are four tools in your national security uh toolbox: military power, economic statecraft, political pers uasion, and cultural attraction. And you will assemble them differently in different parts of the world, in different areas, et cetera . Somewhere in the second term . Now the president degraded the first three, but in the second term, as opposed to the first term, he's decided military power is the most not only the most important tool, the tool he's most comfortable, which was not true in the first term. He is degraded through tariffs. He's degraded through belittling our NATO allies and not consulting them. And the brand of America from a cultural standpoint. So all three of the four tools have been totally drained of any capac ity. And a person who was risk-averse in the first term has now reduced America's national security to a single tool and made it the toolbox. And what is dangerous about that is obviously the servicemen and women are becoming uh literally a play toy for the commander-in-chief with no respect for the what he's asking of them, who have volunteered to serve the national interests of the country. And more importantly, the other tools are atrophying at this very time. And we economically, politically , cultures, you can see the way he's banging out of NATO are more isolated than leading. You can't be a leader if nobody is following. That was the casualty here. Our NATO allies , yeah, our Gulf allies and our Asian allies are not following the United States. They're distancing themselves. No, they're not. So what happens then in that case? What is what happens next. 'C hisause own people are distancing themselves. Also speaking of leaders. Those all those leaks were fast. Well watch what he does now. He's gonna blame somebody. He's now gonna the next thing is who he tries to blame and that's kind of a palace coup type palace, you know, intrigue game. I'm into not that, and I understand the lore of that. My thing is what do we do to take a generational approach to restore the trust, credibility, How can we with him in the seat? He's in the seat. And this is my argument, both to Democrats, but also Republicans as a country. We're Americans. There's no reset button at the resolute desk. I try to lay out a different scenario by different parts of the world. How do you assemble these different tools into different kinds of stacking orders of priority? There's no reset. So the I when Carnegie, when Prime Minister Carney in Canada says this is a rupture, you're not getting superglue and reassembling. We have to earn not only the trust, we have to build our strengths that have been atrophying. Where's the political uh power? Where's the cultural persuasion? How do we recreate the economic statecraft where again the American economy is central to the world , not sideline? And I do think the last twenty ye-arsfive , when you look at this war, if you look at COVID, you look at uh different things that have happened in the last twenty five years, this will be the era of supply chain uh and will be known as the era of supply chain. You took oil , take uh ammonia, take the petrochemicals of the region, you take what happened during COVID, medical gear, et cetera, uh pharmaceutic and the pharmaceutical products to deal with the vaccines. This is the era of supply chains. Little things that hold the entire whether it's the Strait of Hermuz or whether it's the products coming out of the Strait of Hermuz or whether it's medical supplies and vaccines, little things take the entire global economy to a halt and don't move. A drone. A fifty thousand dollar. I mean, I said this the other day, and I'll just repeat this. You have two countries with no Navy, but they control both waterways , Ukraine and Iran. Without a Navy. We have a theory in America's national security. Being able to fight two wars simultaneously. We're gonna have to rewrite it to be able to fight two different wars simultaneously, one conventional and one unconventional. That's it. He's still president for a long time. Even you know, you you've got maybe to the midterms where he loses a lot of power, or three more years. What happened? What from your if you had to guess what happens next? Because they're not these people look like they're not gonna keep you have Megan Kelly saying, fuck you. You have people in the cabinet clearly leaking saying, not us. Some Yeah. Yeah, I mean I don't want to c look I didn't listen to the podcasts with Senator Till is. But you know, I w I uh uh this is a criticism. You were the you were the key vote for Hagseth becoming Secretary of Defense. I'm sorry. Like you know, okay, you don't have to but fact is you have a person with a drinking problem and other types of problems who's now the head of a military, who's involved right now in a military political purge of the military. The greatest turnaround in American history was the armed forces post-Vietnam. I've worked with the head of the Seventh Fleet, head of Indopaycom . These are incredible men and women. Amy and I, I just want to side note, we do a ROTC scholarship named after Lisa Franchetti, the former CNO of the Navy. She's an incredible capacity, fired out of political retribution. This is stuff you read in China. Right. And Senator T illis, who obviously is found his conscience, and that's good, but you confirmed this person that you knew in your gut was not right. Now I want to say one thing. When I was chief of staff, I was an employee. When I was senior advisor to President Clinton, I was an employee. How many times I walked into the overall office daily and said, No. And here's the consequence of you. You're a U.S. senator. You're independently elected. You're your independently elected congressman. You have your own voting card Do you imagine they'll do it? Or are they just waiting for the end? No, I think what's going to happen is the United States Congress is going to flip, the Senate's 50-50, and you're going to finally have the third branch of government that has been basically in deep freeze for the last two years. I said this once privately to a Republican senator. I said you're gonna want a Democratic president. He goes, oh no, no. I said, yeah. The reason is you put your manhood in a lockbox and you're finally going to take it out in about three years from now. That's what's going to happen. You, I can't believe these individuals who know better and say it privately under cloaked force. Of course. And what will happen is elections have, is to quote my good friend and my former boss president Obama, elections have consequences. Yes, we got X months till November. Republicans didn't hear the hear the sound of the footbeat coming. You saw that in Wisconsin. You're gonna see it in Indiana. Saw it in North Carolina the other day. You saw it in Georgia. And the fact is you're gonna have the third branch of government, co-equal branch, finally exert its responsibility and hold this administration accountable. You are so you are so Nusina. It's just a it's gonna move on from this, but I would agree with you. They're suddenly appearing on my podcast. So you know what I mean? Like suddenly they're like, hey, hey girl. I wanted so frustrated. Take the take a look at the center of Louisiana. You confirmed a guy for health and human services, Kennedy. You as a doctor, you know is wrong. The president turns around, flips on you, and and you try to do that to cur encourage favor or you know, bring favor to yourself, and he's gonna mess with your re-election. And you knew Kennedy was not right. Senator Tillis, I'm glad he's speaking up. I'm I'm glad he found his voice. But when your vote was needed, he decided to decided to go somewhere now. Maybe you're making up for lost time, but the rest of us, most importantly, the men and women in a uniform have to deal with a Secretary of Defense who is never qualified for that job. And so now for therefore do it again. I mean he certainly did the and I hate to use the term kill shot to gnome, but he did. He did. And some people are like it,'s too late. I'm like, but he did it. So he has to keep doing it is what you're saying. People like that. Yes. Yeah. He has to keep doing it. And you have to and you not only have to say that, you have to work with others to finally uh get your vote and your voice to get aligned. Yeah, reach down and grab it. Anyway, okay, Rom, let's go on a quick break. We come back. Democrats keep the momentum going with another string of election wins For the last 10 years, everything in American politics has basically revolved around one man. And as a political journalist who came of age during Donald Trump's rise in 2016 , I've had a front row seat. I am officially running for president of the United States. It's going to be only Amer ica first . America first. Thousands of supporters of President Trump stormed the US Capitol building . But is it possible to talk about politics without talking about Donald Trump? That's the question I'm gonna ask in our new show from Vox. The idea of like a post-Trump or not exactly Trump focused show can exist because he's not really driving any agenda items. It really does feel like so reactive. You know, I think this Iran thing is also gonna cause a big split in the GOP. So far it doesn't among like people who say they're MAGA voters are still with Trump, but like for the first time you see on a major issue open opposition from the start of this war. I'm a stead herndon and welcome to America actually . Support for this show comes from Mongo DB. If you're tired of database limitations and architectures that break when you scale, it's time to think outside the rows and columns. Because let's be honest, you didn't get to tech to babysit a broken database. You got into it to actually build something. MongoDB lets you do that. It's flexible, developer-first, asset compliant, enterprise-ready, and built for the AI era. Say goodbye to bottlenecks and legacy code. Start innovating with Mongo DB. There's a reason it's trusted by so many of the Fortune 500, and that's because it's a platform built by developers for developers. They swear by it, literally. They call it a great fucking database. Start building at mongoDB.com slash build. Hi, I'm Brene Brown. And I'm Adam Grant. And we're here to invite you to the Curiosity Shop. A podcast that's a place for listening, wondering, thinking, feeling, and questioning. It's gonna be fun. We rarely agree. But we almost never disagree. That's true. You can subscribe to the Curiosity Shop on YouTube or follow in your favorite podcast app to automatically receive new episodes every Thursday. Rom were back. Democrats notched their biggest shift yet in the House special election, dramatically narrowing the gap in Georgia's 14th. Democrats also expanded their majority on Wisconsin's Supreme Court very significant from four to three to five to two, and that'll last for a decade, I think, for something like that, or a very long time. You recently wrote a piece in the Wall Street Journal titled How Democrats Can Use Their Coming Majority. You say investigations of Trump won't satisfy voters and that energy be better spent on a positive agenda. You and I have talked about this. Talk about you know your ideal plan. You just sort of vaguely mention it, uh up to the midterms and assuming they have a strong showing without any um nonsense from Trump or any hijinks or whatever he's trying to do, but it's doesn't seem like it's gonna work. Um in recent days, over seventy lawmakers have said Trump's cabinet needs to invoke the twenty fifth amendment. Um uh that's he's supposed to be in a coma apparently for that but we'll we'll see. Um I don't I don't see them doing that. They can hardly speak up in any way. Talk about or the distraction of it. Because one of the things is if you spend all your time investigating, and certain people, by the way, should be investigated for corruption. Christy Noam, Corey Lewandowski, et cetera. As I said in that piece, I said there's a difference between corruption and dishonesty. Right. I'm for absolute investigation of all the corruption. This is crony capitalism run-am up . People trading on inside information , they have normalized corruption. A hundred percent for that. I the craw you cross the line when it's all about retribution, vindication, and not addressing what I think is not only the affirmative agenda, but I do believe the their corruption. I've said it two years ago. That's the backdrop. So I'm 100% for what did Christy Gnome do at DHS? I'm 100% for everything the inspector generals have reported and all the type of corruption, both inside, outside, members of family or the Trump kids. Don't get caught in a game of politics or retribution where then the people go, it's just more Washington. Now, on the affirmative, I think on the affirmative, and this was part of that piece, if you go back to the presidentials of both President Clinton and President Obama first terms, 08 and 1992, what George Mitchell does in 1990 forcing President Bush to raise taxes and break his pledge on Read My Lips, and what we did in forcing Bush to veto the children's health insurance initiative in 2007 , sets up nineteen ninety two Bill Clinton and sets up President Obama 2008 . 2027 . I look at the uh kind of landscape of all the issues from minimum wage to predictive markets to health care cost control and or a ratepayers bill of rights. I lay out a number of piece ideas in that piece. You now a part of this politically is determining when you have the Senate or not , is get a bill on the desk that one creates divisions within the Republican Party, and two , either force the president, like Bush does in 1990, or signs a bill, or vetoes a bill, like president Bush does in two thousand seven on the children's health insurance program that creates divisions inside the Republican Party and advance your agenda that you're ready to take and secure the future . So I do think Democrat let's just fast forward, Democrats win both the House and the Senate . What they do in twenty twenty seven will be as determinative as who we nominate in 2028. My view, this is mine , is go to those predictive markets and put a piece of legislation on the president's desk that ban all members , Congress, Senate, Executive Branch, Judicial Branch, Staff, family from participating in the predictive markets. And that there's a division of the criminal justice. The Calcies and Polymarkets, right? Yeah. And the reason is , and first of all, all that can be done by executive order. The president will not do it because his two sons are investors in it. And you drive right there because the Republicans are there, independent voters are there, the president of the United States is not there. And I would take that bill and run it right down through one end of Pennsylvania Avenue to the other and put it on his desk. Because everybody, and I can tell you this from La Crosse, Wisconsin to Franklin, New Hampshire, to Abbeyville's partner . Everybody in their gut knows that these prediction markets are being played and manipulated with inside information. And yes, and people, other people are putting their lives at risk while our little Nepo babies in Palm Beach are making money. Most importantly, Don Jr. and the rest of the family, and Lutnik's kids and Witkoff's kids. Put it on his desk. Make him pick his wealth for the American people's democracy and political and economic wealth. I already know the answer to that. And that's what I I mean you asked me, that's what I would do because he's gonna veto it. You were talking about things that you wish would happen probably won't pass. Well in 1990 in 1990, President Bush signs the bill and actually does help reduce the deficit, but it creates Pat Buchanan and a Republican revolt. And twenty Republican senators support that, but the other twenty-five do not . In 2007, when we do the children's health insurance bill, President Bush 43 vetoes it, but 60 Republicans in the House and Senate align themselves with Democrats. What brings us together? What divides the other side? And whether it's signing or vetoing, as I would say to quote that great philosopher, when you get to a fork in the road, take it. And that's what you want to do to the Republicans. Right. And you want to constantly be saying what you're for. And that says what you're for. And even if you fail, right? It says what you're for, who you're going to fight for, and what the other side is willing to do. it And I think this pres ident is running a crony capitalist system . It's from everywhere. It's how much you pay and how much he gets. And what you want to do is drive your car Car right to that division point inside the Republican Party. And the Republicans know they're not in on this prediction marketing assessment financial gain the way the Trump kids are. And the president, and I would also taunt them. Sign an executive order. Yeah. Do something like that. Go for it, Mr. President. You sign all these other executive orders of meaningless. Here's one that you can do. And he won't do it. And so drive right there. What do you make of these shifts in in the the Democrats have done rather well all over the place, right? Even including in Palm Beach. Speaking of Palm Beach, Nimble Babies they now have a Democratic Democrat I actually think one thing that slightly uh didn't get the coverage. I mean I went up to Wisconsin six weeks ago for the Supreme Court for Rebecca Cook in the third district, Southwest Corner . In Wisconsin, battleground state. First of all, the Supreme Court candidate does better than any of the other two from a year ago. There are Democrats in Wisconsin with the important county outside of Milwaukee that's the Republican base that counters the Milwaukee vote. We now have the county execraries. The Supreme Court nom inee in the third congressional district, the southwest corner where lacrosse says, etc., that Ron Kine used to represent and is a Republican there, that Trump won. The Supreme Court Democrat not Democratic, but the progressive candidate takes fifty-seven percent Donald Trump on that with overwhelming amount. That tells you if you win that seat, you're winning the majority. So when you look at Wisconsin at the top, all the way down, and all the races between, it's a unbelievable victory. And it says the same thing. It's the independence . It's the independence. Massive energy in the Democ ratic vote base and Republican turnout depressed . The two the election in North Carolina when Donald Trump uh endorsed the state, Senate,ority Maj Leader, the most powerful Republican, and he loses the Republican primary. That was more important than Mar Lago. I get the value of Mar Lago. It's kind of just president. Yeah, I get it. But I get it. the no But but the fact that he doesn't have power over the Republican primary voters? That's you want to call Liberation Day? That's Liberation Day. So all you Republican Congressmen and Senators, Senator Tillis, that you were scared of your shadow for the last four year year and four years ago? You don't have to be scared of your shadow. What about Texas ? Obviously. That's the same. Well, let me see. Now, in the Senate in Texas, I think that you have a Republican primary that ends up it doesn't matter who who wins in one level, they're gonna both be a weakened candidate for the general election. That's what I think. And I I you know, and I happen to one thing I would also say to my fellow Democrats. When you look at the health care for President Obama or the IRA, the climate the climate bill under President Biden , under the health care bill , Senator Nelson from Nebraska helps us pass that. It's the 60th vote. And the Senator from West Virginia helps pass the IRA. If you If you don't win in purple to red states as a Democrat, we're not going to get the type of economic and political legislation social legislation we want. The two most significant pieces of legislation Democrats passed in the last 20 years, they clinched the vote with a senator from a state that is not quote-unquote safe blue. So winning in Ohio, winning in North Carolina, winning in Texas, winning in Iowa, winning in places Democrats have not presidentially won is how you secure the type of legislation and the majority you need. Yeah. I think it's a really interesting. And I've I just met Telarrico. I call him the baby Jesus. Anyway, one it one of the things of course, look, Democrats are not slathering themselves in perfection right now. Um as uh uh Trump waded into the California governor's race this week by endorsing former Fox News host Steve Hilton, who I know very well actually. Uh mostly as a husband of someone I know very well, but I actually know Steve. Um my favorite Steve thing is he was lecturing me on populism and the elites when he was staying at the Bel Air Hotel. I was like, I can't afford this fucking place, my friend. Like and you're telling me about like elites. Um anyway, I he's a funny guy actually. There might be um good news for Democrats, the the the Trump um backing there. But Democrats have been worrying about a doomsday scenario with the state's jungle primary. People don't know there it it's it there's n there's not primaries, it's who the top two are. If the two GOP candidates, Hilton and Sheriff uh Chad Bianco, and exactly what he sounds like, um, first and second in the primary, Democrats to be locked out in the general election. It's a concern, and there's eight Democrats in the race with no clear front runner. Um but by consolidating Jeep su support behind Hilton, Trump may have helped reduce the chances. And I've noticed uh both Jane Vond and Roe Connor are backing the billionaire, which is unusual, Tom Steyer. Um uh which is fine. Like all the left went crazy. But I'm like, well, he's he's uh he's different. He's a he's not like there's he's not Mark Zuckerberg, let me just be clear. But um that said, there's all kinds of, you know, issues there um um with with what's happening there. And you've got you know a number of Canada's that each have a little chunk. It's not like one has the biggest chunk. So I'm sitting there, I'm like, where's Nancy Pelosi hitting heads or where's Newsom? Or what's what is happening there? And you've I'm sure you've spoken to them. If you're running the Democratic Party, you're what's happening in the Democratic Party. Yes, what what has to happen there in order to like knock people out? They don't seem to be leaving, any of them, it looks like. Yeah, I don't well that you know, California's not Chicago. Right. Right. We could find something wrong with their signatures and knock them out that way. Right. Yeah. Yeah. You're you know, you're not getting on the ballot on this one. You want another race? That's everything, you know. Uh I don't you know, I have no idea w I think the leadership of the party has stood back. I part of me wonders whether Kamala Harris thinks again, like maybe I made a mistake I should have gone for that office, etc. given when you look at the field. I think this is a jump ball. You gotta uh I look at it from a distance, but about four candidates all kind of hovering within two points from each other. And so my guess is the leadership of the party doesn't want to put their thumb on the scale, prefer looking like they don't have the leadership that they thought they did. So what happens? It could be is that a bad thing for I you know I I uh I I c I do buy the conventional wisdom that the president's endorsement of uh Hilt Mr. Hilton is a kiss of death. And I think that will uh bear out. Uh and I what happens eventually there's a coal coalescing . That trigger hasn't happened yet, but I instinctually believe it will happen. Well, how the papers endorse what something will happen that will trick that will be a conversion that will convert the moment. It will be a catalytic conversion of the moment and then there'll be a coalescing around a singular or two candidates the catapult to the front of the class. Right now they're kind of bunched together. Possibly it's really interesting. It reminds do you remember the movie Face Off where they're all sh pointing guns at each other? That's what it feels like. Someone's got to put the gun down. You know, and then the p the pigeons fly. It's a little early for that, but you'll get that. You'll get that. You'll get is there any candidate you think will emerge of all those candidates? I'm not close enough to that race to I mean in the back of my head I'm it will be a Democrat. Mm-hmm and you know there's ninety percent of them agree on the same thing, so it won't uh matter. Now it could I could you know obviously this is electoral politics, so it could be totally wrong. Uh but so far I believe that there will be a coalescing at the very end, at least around one, if not two candidates, and the rest will really be seen as a wasted vote. Um the one good news is uh the president's endorsement is gonna uh force the Democrats to kind of shape up real quickly. Shape up real quickly. Yeah. Interesting. It's a real it's a real wrinkles. I think Steve is like, are you kidding I mean my thing, my thing is: look , take Iowa and take Ohio . And then take Florida and Georgia. And I'll tell you why on those is Ohio, the Democratic nominee for governor, which was in Governor DeWine's public health official, she's ahead. In Iowa, you have an open Senate, also an open governor. And the audit state aud itor in Iowa is in a very strong position, uh been elected twice already statewide for the governor's race, and we're gonna have a pretty competitive uh nominee, I think, for the Senate. And I think what's happening because of what the president did to the rural economy, the corn, soybean, wheat farmers . And the they're going out of business, the rural economy is really hurting. This war has really touched them down fertilizers, et cetera. You're gonna see something in the Midwest in the Prairie States that's gonna come and bite the Republicans right where they need to be bitten and kicked in. Then you go down to Georgia and Florida. In both cases , in the Democratic primary are former Republican elected officials who decided that the Republican Party under Donald Trump's not their home anymore. The Democrats are. Whether they get out of the primary or not, I'm not sure. But there is a 10 to 12 percent of Republicans, and I have also seen this going all over the country, who don't identify with Donald Trump , not sure about the Democrats, they all, you know, they say way too left for them culturally, politically, economically. But you have a fraction of what are we I call traditional Republicans that rather than uh look at this election or the future elections as transa ctional, we should look as transformational . They have chosen those two candidates in Florida and Georgia to see themselves and their future politically more at home with the Democratic Party than a Republicans. At least for now. Right. Right. Well, that is the first steps towards a realignment of coalitions. And we as a party have to look at these elections , and I'll give you one analysis. I in 2020, you had what I called Joe Biden Republicans. And the real question was are we going to govern with the idea of making that transformational or transaction al. And one of the mistakes I think made in the Biden administration was rather than trying to unite the country, a lot of my time was spent trying to unite the party. And we lost the bigger narrative in that process. Right. That's a very fair point. Um I'm going to move on to uh some business stuff. Um lots going on in this area of AI, of something that you've written about a lot, and you and I have talked about social media and everything else. Now, in this case, Elon Musk wants to have open AI CEO, Sam Altman, and President Greg Brockman removed from the company as part of a case, claiming the company deceived him to donating $38 million. I was there when that happened, actually. Meanwhile, OpenAI sent a letter to the California and Delaware AGs alleging Mesk has been working to undermine open AI through various attacks, including by working with Mark Zuckerberg. I mean, this is true. It's a really interesting time. And while we're talking about AI, hopefulness among AI among young people has dropped 18% from twenty-seven percent last year. You're welcome, every at Tech. I'm I'm glad to help it do that. Almost a third of young adults uh say AI made them feel angry . Um and speaking of Elong, shortly after he filed his SpaceX IPO last week, speculation is growing about a merger with Tesla. Um I've been saying this would happen. Let's listen to a clip from last April. It looks like he's not interested in making cars anymore or or he's making other things. He wants to shift Tesla. And I I think you're gonna merge XAI X and this together in a big lines. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I had already predicted that he would put Twitter into Grok and then they would put it into SpaceX and it made sense for a lot of things. Um meaning a roll-up. Yeah, and actually there there there's a story and writers are gonna possibly make a Um that's the only answer for Tesla, given how the numbers are declining. He has to either have a great car or he has which he's not seemingly interested in, a really great car that sort of wins everything or he has to merge them all together and then he can hide the losses pretty easily in this spectacular IPO that's gonna happen with SpaceX . Um so which is hugely overvalued, but that's all right. Pe areople gonna buy into it. So talk a little bit about what's happening here in AI because there's a whole shift of people not trusting these people. You know, it's sort of like a pox on all their houses. W which side do you want to pick? Altman or Musk or these people or David Sachs who's like pushing the president, even as the numbers are declining. I think there's three categories that I kind of take back from this week. One is the tech bros all basically urinating on each other's leg was telling you the other guy it's raining outside. And Americans aren't gonna stand for sit on the sidelines, literally while Altman and Dario and Elon Musk all play and fight with each other like little kids in the sandbox within out adult supervision. The second is both open AI and anthropic withhold product because it's too Dangerous. I was gonna mention that too. These are these are new products that they have coming that they're worried about security issues and now they brought a coalition together to try to patch things, but quite dangerous. But go ahead. And then the third thing, which is whether forget the motivation for side , Sam Al den puts uh out a kind of updated AI New Deal. I saw social contract to compete in my but again I shouldn't do that because I said don't put aside the motivation with Dar io Owens view, which is this is going to be so disruptive we have to figure out w not only how the product and the and the industry, but also how we include the American people in this so it's a net win rather than three guys winning three hundred3 and 33 million lose. Those three boxes are they're all overlapping . Now I step back also as a former mayor and chief of staff to a president in massive changing times. The government is set up to kind of set up a regulation, wait 30 years to see if it works, which is an industrial model, and you're good, you're in the post-analog, post-digital into something totally different. And I do think when you look at Dar yl and and OpenAI deciding not to put a product out, forget the boys acting like boys. They're they are begging for oversight and rules and they're making it up as they go. The government needs le industry leaders , academics, and comments in real time to be making decisions in real way. We can't rely on two CEOs, social conscience to say, I'm withholding a product because it's dangerous. While I appreciate that they did that, that is not how this is going to work. So we're going to have to have a board that is required to update its rules and regs and oversight in real time with an industry that's changing at a pace the government's not used to. There's gonna have to be principles that guide it. Now is the threat from China real? 100% it's real. From a competitive standpoint. Which I find one side note, we're a country with a lot of social w whether you think it should be expanded, social insurance. Our country is fearful from AI. China has none of the social infrastructure underneath it. So if you fail to get support, healthcare, unemployment, et cetera. And yet they're hugely optimistic about AI . The countries are in different places given the support that the public sector , and I find that just as a political as a strong Well they do a lot more monitoring of it. The coun the government does much more monitoring than we do And that you're not going to be left out on the sideline. So to me , we're gonna have to have a real and I do think this, regardless of whatever my personal view . The two this Sam Altman's kind of social contract, Dario's view that uh for anthropic that we need a an a kind of a new agreement which is the difference between kind of capital versus labor, but how AI will benefit what I say democratize the benefits of AI to more people from both skills but also jobs and economic opportunity. And if you don't, the American people are gonna call data centers haul uh rebel r uh you know, rebel rebellion against that it's just minor compared to what's gonna happen. And the government's gonna have to step in and do this from an executive branch standpoint. But the tech the tech people are still aside from those guys, like David Sachs was like, How dare you do this? This is our great est thing, and is pushing Trump, even as this is happening. And he has been integral to the what I think has been a disaster for the tech industry in terms of their imagery. Right? They look like villains now. They're villains now. They're the villains . And young people get it. I mean they're they're villains and they're actually also they want to take all the benefit and you're just going to live in their world. Now, I'm sorry, that's not how a democratic capitalist system works. There is real opportunity. Look, given the competitiveness with China. This is gonna be one one like fusion, like quantum computing, et cetera, like life sciences, one of the dominant uh technologies of the future, but it's not gonna be three winners and three hundred and thirty-three million losers. That's that is not how we're keeping score. And in the end of the day, like everywhere else, industry likes regulations because it sets rules, guidelines, and principles. Correct. When you go back to what's happening, like insider training , that for the fact that businesses are not calling that out, this is gonna come back to bite you right in the butt. That's what I said. So and Trump is stupid to listen to the Dr. I would like to say you have dropped the F bomb three times, though I'm at zero. Just for the rest of the thing. I'm sorry, I know. I know, I know, I know. You can do it any time. That's more your brother's thing. That's more your your your elderly brother's thing. You will never find me ever saying it publicly. I know my whole career. Do not do that. You don't that's I'm just telling you that's your brother. I have a tape of him yelling at me like that. Because I know even though my mother even though my mother is deaf, she'll hear it and come and g grab me. I have a voicemail from your brother saying Keris Fisher. Fuck you. So I'm gonna keep it for the rest of my thinking of making it public ly a term of endearment. It was. It was. It's because he didn't some party. Anyway, I don't want to go to his party, so it doesn't matter. But happy birthday. Um, all right, Ret's go on a quick break. When we come back, we'll talk about RFK getting into the podcast game. This episode is brought to you by T ELUS Online Security. Oh, tax season is the worst. You mean hack season? Sorry, what? Yeah. Cybercriminals love tax forms. But I've got TELUS Online Security. It helps protect against identity theft and financial fraud so I can stress less during tax season or any season. Plans start at just twelve dollars a month. Learn more at TELUS.com slash online security. No one can prevent all cybercrime or identity theft You know it's trouble now. The pod will focus on telling the truth, especially when it's uncomfortable and confronting the spiritual malaise. Let's watch a clip of the announcement, I guess. It's not quite as bad as his his his strange porn movie with Kid Rock, but let's go . If we want a healthy nation, we have to confront the lies that have made us spiritually, morally, and physically sick. The time for half measures is now over. We're launching a new era of radical transparency in government here at HPGS. I hope you'll join us in our mission to make America healthy again. Oh my goodness. And of course, just as there is news in the Washington Post that they're trying to suppress a CDC report that vaccines are good for you. So just transparent, Bobby. Yeah, yeah, I was gonna say it gives a whole new meaning to what transparency is not. Yeah. So is he just preparing for his next career when he gets bounced or what what is happening? And I hope are you co-hosting his podcast next? He has been an absolute horrible Secretary of Health and Human Services on every measure outside of what's happened with opiates and he has nothing to do with it. Yeah. Best friend to measles is what I call him. Best friend to measles. Yes. Measles, the lack of confidence in the American the C D C our other types of our life sciences, our capacities, our health care costs, everything that he has touched in the great tradition of this administration is broken. It needed repair, it needed to be strengthened, and across the board, you cannot walk from a single agency or department. And he's been the kind of a point of the spear. It's the largest domestic agency in the United States, Health and Human Services. And he has made a mess of it and the people he's appointed have made a mess of it, from CDC to NIH to what Medicare and Medicaid. And they have done nothing to measurably improve the health of the American people. And I will say, having dealt with this as both chief staff, but more importantly when I helped pass AACA or President Clinton's children's health insurance, but as mayor of the city of Chicago, eight percent of our workforce was driving 70% of our health care costs around chronic illnesses, heart, obesity, et cetera. He could have focused on something that actually moved the needle in both dropping health care costs and improving public health. And rather than bring the code together, like everything in this administration, never lose an opportunity to divide Americans. They have they have from the president to his cabinet, have found mu multiple opportunities to divide people and s and literally repressed examples where they could actually bring people together of different political views to work on a common issue. And shame on doctors in the Senate who voted for him. I mean I just uh th the Republican would say that. Well that gets back to you know, it's a Senator Ga Senator Cassidy's gonna pay the price, like Senator Tillis, for having basically taken your conscience and put it in a lockbox. When the vote came and you knew what was right, you took the politically expedient case. And I don't want to draw this to myself, but since I'm on, I'll draw it to myself. I can't tell you how many times I used to walk into Clinton's office or President Obama's office. Oh, well, I said, you're out of your mind. If you do this, this is the Christ. I'm gonna let it lay it out to you. You'll have a debate about it, but understand the consequences of this. I was an employee. Get out of here. This you're an independent U.S. center. I was a congressman. I was a man. You got elected. You have a responsibility to what the pe the trust people gave. I'll tell you what Tillis told me, you know what a martyr is, he's dead. Like he was he was like you can't you can't operate from a position of dead. And I that I still was like, I don't care. Be dead then. You know what I mean? Because you'll m you'll have inspired someone else. Politically, he may say that politically. But that vote gave a license to a guy to do a political purge of the greatest military forces country did and the greatest turnaround this country did. I've worked with these men and women at all levels. The amount of dedic ation, the amount of understanding of politics, culture, history, working diplomatically, working militar ily, X S doesn't hold a candle to any of the people who meet. Same thing with RFK. So you won't be listening to his podcast in other words. Anyway. No. All right. One more quick break. We'll be back for predictions . Okay, Ron, let's hear a prediction. There's so many things. Keep it brief. We got just a little time. I want to play one thing at the end from NASA, um, from the Artemis. But what is your prediction? Prediction that nobody will be held accountable for playing the games in the prediction market with inside information. on the scam. Mm-hmm. Nobody for now. Nobody for now. Under this administration until they're held accountable. Can I do one thing personally? Sure, please, absolutely. My son runs a two hour, thirty-nine minute marathonon. He did it in Bost. Amazing. He's gonna run the Boston Marathon again. I think he'll have a personal best. Oh he ran at two hour thirty-nine, uh, which was incredible in uh marathon uh marathon. I think I think this coming uh Boston Mar y's journey again, he's gonna get a personal best. Oh, that's very sweet. That's both a prediction, a hope, and a wish, and I'm very proud of him. Oh, that is amazing. You should run with him. I'm not that no that's Amy runs marathons. As I always say, we're gonna have to do a test because I don't know who your father is. I have no idea about this man. The kid's an incredible runner. Ah, okay. And that regards I want to leave on a thing of hope. Speaking of hope, that's wonderful. Um I one of the things I did feel I think all Americans really start really watched this Artemis flight um done by NASA. It was sort of a wonderful moment. All all Americans, it was the numbers are quite high, which is wonderful. Um NASA and they did a great job on social media and this crew is just so wonderful, men hugging and crying and saying wonderful things and laughing. And it just has been a real it's a wonderful group of people up there. And it sort of represents the best of America in that regard. Um NASA is preparing for the return of Artemis II after this historic moon flyby. These pictures are delightful and amazing and astonishing, and it also makes you appreciate Earth. Let's listen to a clip from crew member Christina Cook after the spacecraft passed by the moon. We will explore, we will build we will build ships. We will visit again . We will construct science outposts. We will drive ro vers, we will do radio astronomy, we will found companies, we will bolster industry, we will inspire. But ultimately we will always choose Earth, we will always choose each other . Just what you're talking about, Rom. Make her the head of NASA. I actually think it was a a perfect antiphical spirit to what you're seeing uh out of this administr ation. We'll choose Earth and we'll choose each other. And we'll do things. In a period where we did a war of choice. Yeah, it was a act and it touched look, I do think there's this yearning out there to actually not see our fellow Americans as the enemy or the it could be an opponent, but from a political standpoint, but it's not your enemy. And I thought she touched that human kind of spirit, and also most importantly for uh the United States, that's something we can unify around. I I don't know about you. I get on the uh you know, open my iPad, first thing I do is see the pictures they're sending. They're beautiful. And uh look at the I looked at the earth from that eclipse photo, which I thought was most beautiful shot. And then there was also complimentary the Webb telescope put out new pictures of the galaxy. And it's just it it there's it kindles and it's and it has that little light that illuminates in you of something that uh you can as you said, hopeful, proud, and optimistic about. And I thought her message was uh just beautiful. It's a beautiful anyway. We want to hear from you. Send us your questions about business tech or whatever's on your mind. Go to Nymag.com slash pivot to submit a question for the show or call eight five five one pivot elsewhere in the Karen Scott Universe this week, my new CNN show, Kara Swisher Wants to Live Forever, is premiering this Saturday, April 11th at 9 p.m. Eastern. Scott is actually going to interview me at the premiere in New York tonight. And also your brother, Zeke, is in it, and he's hysterical . 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