Taxing the Wealthy and Structural Reform

Support for the show comes from Retool. Too many companies run critical operations on duct tape spreadsheets, Slack workflows, and whatever else they could cobble together. Not because they want to, because building internal tools means weeks of waiting on someone else's backlog. That's where Retool comes in. Build custom internal tools just by describing what you need. Prompt something like build me a revenue dashboard for our Salesforce data. And Retool actually build it on your company's data in your cloud with enterprise security built in. Go to retool.com slash pivot. We all need to retool how we build software. What's up y'all, I'm Skylar Diggins, seven-time WMBA All-Star, Olympic gold medalist, and mom. And I'm Cassidy Hubbard, host and reporter for nearly 20 years, covering the biggest names and stories in sports and mom. And this is And Mom, a community for athletes, game changers, and moms of all kinds. Dropping May 14th. Happen with us. Support for this show comes from Harvey AI. The future of law is agentic, not just tools that assist, but AI agents that navigate complex matters. That's why Harvey created agents that can do the work from end to end. They build a plan, pull from the secure data sources, run sub-agents in parallel, and draft work product ready for your review. so you can delegate work and own the judgment. Trusted by more than 60% of the AM Law 100 and leading Fortune 500 legal teams, Harvey is an AI operating system designed specifically for legal work. Harvey, AI Tailored for Law. Lear more at Harvey.ai. Are you ready? Yeah, what show is this? Where are we? Oh, stop it. It's your main show. It's the one that fuels all the others. Hi everyone, this is Pivot from New York magazine and the Vox Media Podcast Network. I'm Kara Swisher. And I'm Scott Galloway. So I I didn't hear from you yesterday on Mother's Day, but that's okay Yeah, I can't even imagine the Royal Ascot wedding coronation jubilee that is Mother's Day at your house. It is. It's great. I got so many things. It was really nice. Uh Alex gr I came back from Europe yesterday and Alex was at the airport with balloons and we took a picture of which I look like a hobbit. Um, which was sweet. Um, and then my the littles um left me the most beautiful things they did. Clara did a whole book to me, uh Mudder, M-U-T-E-R. And Saul did this beautiful shrinky dink, which I liked. I like a shrinky dink. Um and then decorated something and then Louise called several times. So that was really. Seriously. You got Three mothers, an X, a ceramic mug business, and somebody definitely crying in a Subaru. It's gotta be That's Louie. It's gonna be there's a lot of mothers. There's a lot of mothers. Yeah. No, I have to say, and and also my mother too. Um made flower bouquets with my mother. He and went out with her for lunch. He w hung out with Megan, which was great, and did all kinds of things, Megan, and then he met me. And he went out with Amanda and the kids to a playground and played with the kids and and helped her. And so Alex wins Mother's Day, I would have to say. That's nice. What did you what did you do for your lovely wife? Uh, not a lot. All I do is remind the boys to call her. Oh wow. That's what I do. I I I basically a lot of angry text of something along the lines of have you called the person that gave you life? Oh, nice. That kind of thing. Because men are just not that considered on their own. Yeah there's this illusion that my boys are incredibly considerate, thoughtful people in this household. Yeah. And it's their prefrontal cortex walking around whose name is Dad. Yeah. Yeah. So now. Yeah, do you have a good memory of your mother for mother's sake? Since you're so close to you were so close to nice that's a generous question. I don't remember specific Mother's Days. Yeah, I don't I I I remember them when I was out of the house and when I was older more than I remember them when I was younger. We used to do the same thing, Kara, whenever it was a anything resembling a celebration or birthday, we used to go to This delay on Western Boulevard called Junior's Dally. Oh yeah, of course. And um get the brisket dip and my mom would get the logs eggs and onions and inevitably a w a waitress who had been there twenty years would just come over and talk about how much I'd grown and then we get Palva on the way out. Halva. Yeah. Wow. That's what is a nice memory. I love those. Um in any case, I'm back from Europe. I know you're concerned. I was at Cambridge. You back from Norway. No, I was in England. I was in London with Tina Brown today, which is great. Then I went to Norway. We're we're big in Norway, Scott, I have to tell. Many fans of Nord the Nordic media days. Well, there's only five million people in Norway, but I gotta say they're really good. But they were a really great audience. And then I was at Cambridge, at university at the Cambridge Union, which was really fun. I got to see at King's College, which you know Punting boats and the Beautiful lawns and the giant cathedrals and everything. It's quite a beautiful town, Cambridge. One of the things they're so obsessed with Trump, all these countries and and and the danger he poses, and they're all very concerned about these US companies. And you know, and and and sort of the feel is are they colonizing us? were sort of extractors of their stuff. Anyway, it was really interesting to hear I learned a lot by just hanging out with all these people from your own. London is gonna boom. Um over the next three years. And not for Not for the right reasons, but my thesis is that there's been this enormous transfer of human and financial capital out of London into the Gulf. Even if you talk to kids who are about to graduate from college, there'll be a few of them That are planning to go to to Dubai. And my thesis is that Traditionally speaking, these masters of the universe from Europe who all migrated to Dubai, Abu Dhabi and Riyadh. that in the last several weeks. their wives have been on there taking their kids to school and seen an incoming projectile and like then went home and said, We're out of here. I think that the the kind of the veil or the veneer of security and safety, more security than safety, they're still exceptionally safe places to live. has been has been pretty badly punctured. And I think that's gonna move uh have a dramatic reversal of the tides into Geneva, Milan, Madrid, and London, Most. hate to say it, but beautiful. Beautiful places. You know, the same thing on the end is happening. There's just more statistics out of San Francisco in terms of the recovery and everything else, which is interesting. And um you know, just in just in real estate terms, I I had someone like contact me to buy my ha like the the housing market is now on fire. For all for a everyone's moved back, which is really it's interest it's just an interesting shift of these people and then they complain, you know, they complain, complain, and then they come right back. 'Cause they are the I don't like to pick and choose places, but I have to say they really are the best places. These beautiful New York, San Francisco, London, Milan. They're just beautiful places to live and full of really interesting I don't know. Anyway. Like I've been Uh, as I said, for the last thirty years I've been molesting the earth for business and my reductive analysis of all regions, if I were to describe the world and where to live and for what reasons. America is still the best place to make money and Europe is the best place to spend it. If you're in the making money part of your life, then you should absolutely get figure out a way to get to the US or one of twenty super cities where two thirds of all economic growth will take place. It's better to be Good in Shanghai than amazing in Melbourne. Actually Australia has a pretty pretty robust economy. But if you if you have the luxury of being a part of your life where you have the disposable income and flexibility. It's very hard to to It is a Nyor. I was walking around thinking I could live here. Madrid, Paris, Oslo in the northern Europe in the summer. I mean the south of France. Well maybe we'll just take a quick hop over to Capri or go check out the sites in Rome. Europe is fantastic. You have to have money to do that. One of the things that that that though there is sort of hanging over England is this um you know, the Starmer government is in real trouble. It's going into a multi party system and obviously the Nigel Farage um group, uh to restore whatever the fuck they want to restore, um reform uh movement is uh is really gaining power, but it's more like a a fractured power, like a A many party system, and if the conservatives are falling off the the map. It's r it's just in they're very worried about Nigel Farage being the Prime Minister, that's for sure. A lot of people. Um and and or else creating a situation where they can't form a government. uh too many different power centers. And then uh the Greens are also gaining, which is interesting. Like I don't I I am blissfully unaware of of UK politics, but I would have I think people Would have a difficult time thinking of one person that's done more damage to the UK than Nigel Farage. I would agree. I would agree. If they pick him. Boy do they deserve what they get. I think uh if I were Starmer, uh I would be running on Bacit. They should absolutely rejoin the EO. It's just Few few more self inflicted wounds than Our our entry into Iraq and also uh the UK. He is a nefarious figure and so and clothes and just the whole thing. The whole every bit of Navajo Farage is awful. I don't know where to turn in that way. Anyway, we should get to the news. Um this is a really interesting story, I I thought, and I was paying attention it was a why the FCC's lone democratic commissioners accusing the Trump administration of waging a quote, sustained coordinated campaign of censorship and control against ABC. In a letter to Disney CEO Josh DeMarrow, Anna Gomez said the FCC under Brendan Brandah has been weaponized to pressure of free and independent press and all media into submission. The letter comes after ABC accused the FCC of attempting to chill free speech, which it did. Filed last week. That filing is tied to the FCC's probe into whether the view violated equal time rules when Tennis Texas Senate candidate James Tallarico went on the show earlier this year. A B C argues the View got an F C exemption in two thousand two as a b a bona feet news interview program, which it is. And that ruling remains in effect today. And you know, as usual, Brenda has said so many things publicly that are really damning in terms of when it when they come to court, tr you know, as being such a suck up to the Trump administration and not an independent. person he's supposed to be. He can have his opinions about things, but it has made become more sensorious than all the left he accuses them of and is making all manner business threats. It's interesting that Disney and ABC is pushing back rather hard under this new CEO, something probably I I suspect uh Iger wanted to do, but felt they couldn't at the time, but uh any thoughts on this? Well yeah, they they're learning. The uh they have figured out that sucking Ron De Ron DeSantis and Donald Trump's cock has not paid off for them. Remember the economic warfare that DeSantis was trying to levy for political reasons and it it doesn't pay. It doesn't pay to appease these guys. They did push back on DeSantis, if you recall, remember they sort of Yeah. Yeah, they did. And now go to the legal veracity. This isn't this isn't legal ambiguity. This is a government harassment campaign with an FCC seal on it. Yeah. Saying that The equal time probe or that the view. violates equal time. That basically essentially means Fox and Friends have been violating equal time for twenty five consecutive years. This is just ridiculous. Exactly. And then the lone FC C or the lone Democrat Uh on the FCC. is a woman named Anna Gomez. Who essentially is yelling into a void while the institution continues to be Weaponized against the press. It's not Commissioner Gomez basically can't even dissent. It's more like a hostage note when she writes her letters of dissent. So this is nothing but again more weaponization of media. Or weaponization of our government agencies to try and squelch free speech. It's just insane. When they talk about I mean, all this bullshit that supposedly Democrats call for violence and the language they use. And Brenda is just making it worse by giving these stupid speeches with this smug little you know, shit eating grin that he always has on his face. And again, Brenda, I'm following you everywhere you go after you leave office. And I will make sure people understand what you did. Constantly. And I hate to say this, and it goes into our next story. Do you want to talk about gerrymandering? Yeah, we will. Yeah. I can read for people who don't know the obviously that's got big press has redistricting wars ramp up ahead of the midterms, Democrats are facing some major setbacks. The Virginia Supreme Court just struck down a voter approved map that could have netted the Democrats up to four house seats. It's not over yet. It we'll see, it's gonna go to the Supreme Court. Um but the Supreme Court of course did its business by weakening the voter rights act in recent rulings setting off redistricting pushes in several southern states. Republicans could now have around fifteen new winnable districts, but Trump's approval ratings are still a massive hurdle. As one Democratic strategist put it, Trump has the power to rig the maps but he doesn't have the power to get his approval rating higher. It could slap back at them. Um it's really interesting. One of the long shot options reportedly tossed around in Virginia, lower the mandatory retirement age for the state Supreme Court and replace the entire bench. Uh, I think uh there's a bunch of things they may have to do, but what's a real shame is that now the Democrats are gonna have to gerrymander their states, which is not good for any this none of this is any good to be breaking this precedent of ten years bes following the census to do this. What is essentially uh stealing. Just m when you look at the map in Tennessee, it's insane. Like there's like people are two hundred and ten miles away from from other voters, which is crazy. It's a crazy, it's a crazy map. And it's all done to retain power. Um which I think they won't actually doing this. I think people are offended by having their votes stolen from them. Well, Democrats and I agree with this. wanted to fight fire with fire or gerrymandering with gerrymandering and They lost both the map and you could argue the moral high ground, although I think it was the right move. Uh, and you can't argue with the fact the other side is destroying democracy. Tennessee is the template, right? There's two Democratic Congress people in 2020, Nashville and Memphis. Republicans redistrict to Nashville in twenty twenty two and now it's Memphis. The the playbook is pretty straightforward here. They find a democratic district and they redraw the lines until it disappears. Now I I actually believe I don't believe I mean The really interesting message and the right message for a candidate, specifically a presidential candidate, and right now the only one actually talking about fucking issues is Rahm Emanuel. They're all just cause. They're all just cosplaying Obama, hoping rhetorical flourish and talking about breaking bread with Jews and Muslims, and we need to come together. No, I have to say Newsom got the job done in California. He like hit them hard and won't. He fought back and he won. He fought the law and he won. Yeah. But We need structural reform. One. A really decent talking point and issue for a president a presidential candidate would be the following. Within ninety days I'm I'm putting up for a vote in the Congress and the Senate. to Dj gerrymander the entire United States. Six Republicans, six Democrats we're gonna use technology. It might be just as much as putting a grid on top of the United States map. And saying, Okay, it might be AI, whatever it is. But we need to de gerrymander the United States. And then I think another structural form and it goes to a larger issue. A lot of the world's problems right now. can be reverse engineer to old men who won't fucking leave. It in fact. It in facts it creates fascists who find reasons to d deny democracy. It creates uh public investment that lacks investment in young people and children. It creates a demographic collapse because young people don't get money because old people keep voting themselves more and more money. I see it. In academia, young academics are leaving the field because there's no fucking room for him because a guy who was the bomb in nineteen eighty eight in Gap One Accounting won't fucking leave because we give him tenure about the time they become totally unproductive. There needs to be a shedding, a healthy shedding. Of skin. I have self imposed term limits on boards. You need to move. on and one of those structural forms should be Term limits and age gaining. for the most important people of the long term of the United States and that is our Supreme Court. What at both at the same time or one or the other? Yeah. For God's sakes, if you're seventy two, your prefrontal your brain is shrinking. Your brain starts shrinking at 45. By the time you're seventy-two, most people have a very difficult time with cognitive function. And I'm sure there's exceptions that Ruth Bader Ginsburg was was very smart at eighty. She should have been forced to retire at 72, as should the rest of them. You need young thinking. You need people You need people who occasionally have a fucking child in the house so they can re they can relate to the issues facing facing young people. I uh you you don't want to pack the court because all that means is when a Republican gets in, they're gonna expand the court from twelve to thirty people under their watch. You need you need age gaining. and any term limits, but more than anything, a great talking point for a Democrat right now would be I am going to de-gerrymander the US within ninety days. I'm going to put a vote up and you can find out who is not. Up for a true democracy here. Right, absolutely. I mean one of the things it just that when you look at these maps that you know at some point o obviously Jeremy and these are like they're un committing unnatural acts. They really are. It looks like a weird sex position the way they have drawn these things. And it's grotesque. It's grotesque. And they you know what it was, I have to say, those images from uh Tennessee, but those fat white old men laughing at young very vibrant, interesting uh black legislators. Like you're nothing more. They really did look like the Confederate South. They look like the Confederate South. It was a version and then laughing. You all are by the way, you all are gonna die of a heart attack relatively soon because you look like you could get out for a walk or two. But one of it just was the visuals were so like these old racist fucks. And I'm not sure that's and then at the top of the heap is It was cognitively. I keep saying this, Scott. We have to you know, we did it with Biden. I think we have to zero in on his cognitive difficulties that just continue. Today, uh Dr. Oz and uh the other one, uh Britt, Katie Britt, were like talking to him like he was a toddler. Like a toddler when he was w something or the oh it Mr. Pres it's like you talk to someone in an old folks' home. He's old. Age gating. Again, age gating. No one should be allowed to run for president. If when elected they're gonna be older than seventy. U or or pick a number, have have neurologists decide. But at some point N neither Biden nor Trump should be entrusted with overseeing the sixth fleet or NAFTA agreements or trying to m l stay up till four in the morning to get the votes they need, whatever it is. This is a young person's job. Agreed. You know, I when I said that to you, I think you were surprised. You were like, when I said I'm leaving at 72, I have 72 and that's it. That's it. I'm gone. I'm off to Cambridge. Yes, I bought myself a cap in in Norway. I bought myself a cap. I love it. I'll send you a picture. Um I yes, that is it, seventy two. And I'm gone. I'm gone. Like see you later. Maybe I'll sit and write historical novels from my cottage in Cambridge, but I'm gone. Like gone, gone. I'm pretty sure your third wife's gonna be Susan Collins. I think you're gonna be one of those tech people that goes MAGA on us. No. And I'm up for you, Mary. By the way, she has a tremor. If a man and a woman Need a marriage license to get married. What do two women need to get married? A liquor license? Oh very funny. I don't think that's sexist. I think it's profane and vulgar, but I don't think it's sexist. I don't I don't think it's funny is the issue I have. Anyway, it's not that funny. It's not that funny. Anyway these redistricting, I think the he cannot fight the polls. The polls are so bad. Everyone doesn't like him. That's one thing I did, the message I gave to people. I was like He is widely he has his group that like him, but I gotta tell ya, you gotta watch the Cracks in Maga and you gotta watch the polling, which is everyone is sick to fuck of this guy. And he is cognitively disabled. I'm gonna say that in every single show until uh that twenty uh past the twenty twenty six. That we as progressives are serving ourselves up this morning, and that is that Trump can't rig the map he can rig the maps, but he can't rig his approval rating. Infuriate people. That's the hope that basically segregating voting again, we're taking a ray neutering certain parts of the voters voters' rights acts, this ridiculous corrupt gerrymandering that it'll come back to Honeman vibes. My fear is the following. Okay, tell me. 'cause I I believe that America is still high sexist, highly luxist, and Ops for a person. More often than not. But as effective. Versus people who are right. And ineffective. And that's this is the key distinction between the Democrats and the Republicans right now. Is the Republicans are wrong in being highly effective, and Democrats are right and virtuous and totally fucking ineffective. It's just it's getting like a people vote based on a ballroom. No, I know they don't, but it's an a part of the whole crazy old man thing. Um one thing that I d will say, I was with a bunch of cyber experts and the two things they did point out, I think correctly, is one, um the uh the Russians are preparing to attack during the midterms, you know, in Trump's favor as they as Recent studies have shown they did obviously against both Clinton and card attack. You know, online. Like a lot of online cyber attack. Not so cyber cyber and and information. fuck up a re essentially. And then the second thing is why I sat next to one guy who's an American who was talking about who upset who's obsessed with Steve Bannon and he feels they're gonna try to and he Trump is sort of about it a little bit, put go to eighty districts that matter and put martial, you know, martial law in place or create all manner of ice and proud boys, et cetera. If you listen to Steve Bannon, he does talk about this. And I think this a couple of cyber people were w were paying a lot of attention to Steve Bannon and uh And what he's doing and you know, that that uh sack of that meat sack of rumpled Whatever is is very effective, in many ways speaking effective. Although I can't believe he keeps hanging on looking the way he does. Anyway, um let's go on a quick break. When we come back, a game changing feature coming to Apple's AirPods. Support for this show comes from Harvey AI. The future of law is a Gentic, not just tools that assist, but AI agents that navigate complex matters. Harvey was built on legal agents that analyze, draft, and execute with precision. But great lawyers don't just complete tasks, they strategize. That's why Harvey created agents that can do the work from end to end. They build a plan, pull from secure data sources, run subagents in parallel, and draft the work product ready for your review. So you can delegate the work and own the judgment. Harvey agents support work across fund formation, litigation, regulatory compliance, MA, and more, adapting to the complexity of each matter and the way your team actually works. Trusted by more than 60% of the AM, Law 100, and leading Fortune 500 legal teams. Harvey is the AI operating system designed specifically for legal work, helping teams move faster, with greater precision and competence. Harvey, AI Tailored for Law. Learn more at Harvey.ai. Support for the show comes from NatSuite. Every business is asking the same question. How do we make AI work for us? The possibilities are overwhelming. But sitting on the sidelines is not an option since you know your competitors are already making their move. No more waiting. With NetSuite by Oracle, you can put AI to work today. NetSuite is a top rated AI Cloud ERP trusted by over 43,000 businesses. It's a unified suite that brings your financials, inventory, commerce, HR, and CRM into a single source of truth. Now, with NetSuite AI Connector, you can use the AI of your choice to connect to your actual business data and ask every question you ever had, from key customers to cash on hand to inventory trends plus. You can automate those tiresome manual processes. Let's see your competitor do that. This isn't another bolted on tool. It's AI built into the system that runs your business. Whether your company earns millions or even hundreds of millions, NetSuite helps you stay ahead of the pack. If your revenues are at least in the seven figures, get the free business guide demystifyingai at netsuite.com slash pivot. The guide is free to you at netsuite.com slash pivot. Netsuite.com slash pivot. Support for Pivot comes from the Freedom from Religion Found. Quick reminder, America started a rebellion. Uh yeah. We fired a king claiming divine authority. And then wrote a constitution with no mention of God. Which is a big deal. The whole separation of church and state thing, as you know. And those lines are blurring. You see it in things like America Praise event on May 17th, where the government starts uniting with religion. Which typically or historically doesn't end well for freedom. And the Freedom from Religion Foundation is working to protect that line. So help us protect the first amendment. Go to ffrf.us slash pivot or text pivot to five eleven five eleven to learn more and join. Remember to text pivot to five eleven five eleven. Because the first amendment protects all of us and it protects you. Hex rates may apply. Scott, we're back with more news. This is really interesting. Apple's report reached the late stages of development for new AirPods that include tiny cameras designed for AI features. Who said they were gonna put cameras? You and I have talked about this. The cameras would help Syria understand what's around you, so you could ask questions about objects, landmarks, or directions in real time. The new AirPods are expected to look similar to AirPod uh Pro, but with slightly longer stems to fit the camera hardware. This is astonishing. I think Apple originally wanted to launch the AI wearable sooner but delays in its upgraded series pushed the timeline back. Um you will of course lose fifty pairs of these, Scott. Um, fifty. By the way, this has n no pods in it, because I can't find them. I I I can attest in S near Scott's New York apartment, there's so many AirPod cases everywhere. And there are like one AirPod in them. Some are never been opened. It's really it's a funny. So talk about this because one of there's there are obviously privacy 'cause a lot of people have have been pushing back on the metaglasses, which sell just okay. They don't they're not like they're they're popular, but not that popular. Um so talk a little bit about this because it it there is a privacy issue here, like people looking out at the same time It's inevitable you're gonna have these heads up displays in some way. And this is a version of heads up display that isn't in your face, which I think is more effective that it's in your ear of a camera in your ear. I love your thoughts on this 'cause you have big thoughts on visual, like heads up displays. Well Uh as much as I hated Mixed reality headsets and the Oculus. I love this. And it goes back to a very anthropological thing. What is harder for people to adapt to when they lose their vision or they lose their hearing? Vision, I guess. But not seeing. Okay. All right. As a matter of fact, when your hearing goes, you stop processing words and you become more It this is gonna sound strange. Well it's not strange. People have a much more difficult time maintaining Societal contact relevance and relationships when their hearing starts to go as opposed to their vision starting to go. You're hearing uh the last sense to go when you die. is hearing. You're supposed to when people pass, you're supposed to keep telling them that you love them. Supposedly that's the literally the last sense to go. And I think it's the most underrated um uh the senses that we have overinvested in visuals and underinveste in hearing. AirPods, if they were a distinct company, just AirPods would be a Fortune fifty company. And what is this what is Apple doing here? They're turning your ears into eyes. And sending the footage. You know, unfortunately they might be sending the footage to Cupertino, but the AI wearable race. is now happening. What's interesting though is it's not happening where people thought it was gonna happen. It's happening in the rear canal. So Meta has ray bands. Apple has AirPods. Uh Google probably has some glassing. I don't know what they're calling it this week. They originally had uh uh contact lenses. They remember the long time we broke a story about them working on contact lenses with um visuals in them. But go ahead. The problem is The hardware for at Apple, the hardware is always ready before the software. And they wanted to launch this sooner, but Siri has is probably one of the worst tech products of the last ten years. It really is. And Apple I mean, think about it. App Apple has the world's best supply chain. And the world's most embarrassing AI assistants. Yes. It's so bad. I hate Siri. If you think about it. I mean essentially. AirPods as they envision it right now with this with cameras is essentially Because of a very weak uh AI assistant overlay. It's like a Lamborghini chassis waiting for an engine that works. So Th the the hardware will be the best looking hardware, the best operating hardware. The problem will be The AI overlay and I told you what I believe. I think they're gonna shit can Ciri and license it to someone else for tens of billions of dollars. Right. Yeah. Why not? Just make it good. Like I I am constantly Siri call Scott or Ciri, you know, text Scott or something like and it never works. It sometimes works. And it just it should work every single time. What if it was Jem and I what would what would Gemini needs to catch up. What would Gemini pay Tim Cook or the new guy to design some of the I think they're in the pull position here. I think the most elegant move to massively Uh throw ten, twenty billion dollars a year to the bottom line would be to have a bake off and say one of you is going to be the intel inside of Apple and that is your kind of a big thing to give up, though, but they're not good at it. Just like with maps. They're just not good at it. Well, search. They give it up in search and it worked out well for them. Exactly. Let me ask you a physical question. Okay. So when AirPods people do not remember this. When AirPods first came out, people made fun of the look of it. You remember everyone you look like an alien, you look like you're wearing earrings for men. And then everyone just loves them, right? And they fall out of your ear. There was all manner now, if they're even longer with these like stems, it could odd, but it seems to me the best solution is the in the ear. AirPod looking like things. Not over the ear. Not Around the neck, over the head. Except when you know, I'm on an airplane, I wear, you know, a pair of um really good um noise cancelling headphones, but that's different. Um so you think that's okay. The a and the privacy issues, you don't have an issue with the people. It can see everybody and it's recording, presumably. Well that's that is a big issue. I haven't thought that through, right? Because you're not supposed to be taking pictures of people's kids. The surveillance you go into the fighting, uploading your data, your whereabouts. But no one no one creates tech hardware. that is a better signaling device than Apple. And pulling out your iPhone. I've always said Pulling out your iPhone is like pulling out an Amex black card, but for a billion people, not ten million. It says that you get it. It says you're one of the seven most wealth wealthiest people on the planet. It says you're probably in the creative. Arts industry. Yeah, it just it's it is incredible signaling. I wear my AirPods If I'm at a conference and I just need to get somewhere without getting without speaking to people or I'm just feeling exhausted by people. I just put my airpods on. Uh in and I act like I'm talking to somebody, like I'm speaking to myself. I know that trick. Let me just say one of the things. I'd like to not look at my iPhone anymore. I like like I use my watch quite a bit, but it's not good enough. And I use my if my AirPods were better, I would not pull my phone out at all. Hundred percent. You know, that's the thing. So I think this is really interesting. Another interesting piece of tech, and we're very tech heavy today, SpaceX chipmaking project in Texas will have an initial price tag of at least fifty five billion dollars and could eventually grow to a hundred. And nineteen billion, according to a public hearing notice, the project called Terrafab will create ships to power AI for SpaceX and Tesla. I think this is a smart move by Elon. SpaceX is asking for tax breaks for the project, of course, which will be discussed at a hearing next month. And Texas will definitely give it to them because that's what Texas does. They bend over speaking and bending over. Um SpaceX is of course preparing to go public with one of the largest IP offerings in June. Um I to me, more than the robotics focus, this is really an important I mean, the way they do energy is sort of rapacious to the people living in the areas they're living in and it's there's getting a lot of pushback. But the idea of your own ships, all these companies really have to be in that game, seems like. And it's important. It's Elon really does know this. I don't think he's as highly technical as he makes himself out to be, but he does understand this is the heart of it. I agree that this is a really smart move and it's one of the most interesting and it's also quite frankly it's fundraising. It's gonna be a big slide in his roadshow for SpaceX, I P O. They They're talking about It's 60 to $120 billion chip fabrication plan, uh terraf, and it would be bigger than the the biggest one in the US right now is a sixty five billion dollar plan from TSMC. So the world's most advanced shipmaker with fifty years of experience, Elon is trying to out TSM C T S M C. So I it it it Creates he's very good. He and Trump are both obsessed with being in your fucking face every day and they're very good at it. And so this is It may I'm not I think it's gonna happen. The guy is a big thinker. Like XAI went nowhere. It may or it may not. He may not be very good at this. It doesn't matter. It is a great this guy is a big thinker. He's bold. He's pulled pulled off some incredibly big. This is the right direction. Yeah. Let me say he did he did surrender XAI by doing the anthropic deal. It just everybody's left. He's not gonna win here. He could win in this. And I I I think he probably might this is a better Speaking of focus' firm, French prosecutors are summoning Elon and X's former CEO, Linda Yaccarino. Oh, Yacarino, where did you go? She's doing some health company to face preliminary criminal charges into X. The investigation includes charges of child pornography and sexualized deep fake. It's interesting when I was in Europe, they were like, Oh, it's not he's not gonna l it's not gonna go anywhere. I don't really care. I'm glad a government is doing it, right? 'Cause ours certainly wouldn't. And they should they should face an investigation of what was happening there at X. Doing all this, who made the decisions about these child pornography and sexualized deep vagations? I'd like to know, and I'm glad our government is pursuing it. I don't even care if they win. I'm glad they're doing it. my feeling. There you go. And more power to them. At some point, big tech executives, uh their flight pattern is going to look like gerrymandered because they're not going to be able to go to the airspace. The world We we forgive. We forgive these these founders during especially during the Trump administration for the economic group. Yeah, these sociopaths is the word I would use. Yeah, but we are We are net gainers from big tech. We just are in the US. That's not to say we shouldn't pay the price for stuff like this. I agree. That's not to say we shouldn't hold them accountable. It's not to say they shouldn't be subject to the same rules and regulation as other industries. But if you had a red button to push and do away with all big tech, you wouldn't want to do it. And for all the problems and externalities, there isn't a single nation in the world that was presented with the opportunity wouldn't say put your headquarters here. Problem is The big tech. I don't think Italy is a is a net gainer from big tech. The US is, but I'm not sure other nations are. Yeah. And so a lot of these nations are doing the math and saying you've got it are media companies, you don't pay that many taxes here. you haven't really increased employment a lot. You're just creating tremendous disruption. And sexualize deep fakes. Yeah. And also you you now appear to be an existential threat to our our kids' uh emotional and physical well being. We're not down with you know, w the idolatry of innovators For a lot of good reasons and some bad is has totally uh kind of infected or overwhelmed the U.S. The worm has turned a little bit, AI is way down. people are realizing what a what a what a negative impact this has had on our children. And then going much bigger. It's manifesting itself in terms of being ground zero for frustrations around income inequality. But these other nations just aren't that impressed by these guys. They're like, Okay, you broke a law, we're gonna charge you. Yeah. I I like the activity. And I think yes, you said a long time ago, early in our relationship, someone has to do a perk walk. on what whether it's chatbots and kids dying or something like that. Someone has to go to jail. They won't, but the I li I like the effort by these governments and I don't think it's Um, I think someone needs to investigate how they made these decisions about sexualized deepfakes and child pornography on that's on whatever service that does it, and what they did to stop it or not stop it. I think it's important for public to there was a guy I think it was a McKinsey partner on the board of Goldman and he took insider information and traded on it. You went to jail. Think about what's happening in the Trump administration around oil prices. Think about what's happening. Tech in terms of Teen self cutting. And depression among teen and being weaponized. You said You expect the Russians to cyber attack us? They've been cyber attacking us. They use these poorest platforms that are totally focused on shareholder value. They create lists of people who are pro-Ukraine or or people who are polarizing and they infect their comments and the people's perception of them, they diminish their credibility and they create Fight everywhere. To try an atomize this, we він we're attacked every day. And the ultimate Trojan horse. Big tech who charges them a small fee to go sit inside the Trojan horse. And start attacking America from within. That's correct. And and by the way, they'll shift in a dime. I don't know if you noticed, suddenly David Sachs is like Anthropic's gonna be really successful after needlessly. Oh God, he's such a Let me just tell you we were right about that one. Like immediately when it's b when they're back, he took 'cause he's losing the fight over unfettered AI and they're just better. That's all. Anyway, um he was lying the first time about when they attacked him. And if g for a government official to do that to an American company Without any proof is really grotesque. I I don't mind if it's proof, but in that case it was because he wanted to feather his own nest. Anyway, let's go on a quick break and when we come back, we'll check in on the Trump phone, speaking of dare I say it, fraud. Support for the show comes from Coraway. AI isn't just a new tool, it encompasses so much more. Spurring a revolution across all industries and reshaping itself to become a big part of our future together. Core is at the center powering some of the biggest names in AI. As the essential cloud for AI, CoreWeve provides an AI platform that combines next generation infrastructure, intelligent tools, and expert support. It's powering the world's most complex AI workloads faster and more efficiently, from medical research and diagnosis to education, from complex visual effects from movies. Breakthroughs in science and technology. If it's AI, CoreWeave is uniquely ready to power it with purpose-built tech. The big ideas, the wild visions, and what ifs and why not. Coyev is working to build what's never been built before. CoreWeaf is the essential cloud for AI, ready for anything, ready for AI. To learn more about how CoreWave powers the world's best AI, go to CoreWeave.com slash ready for anything. This week on Networth and Chill, I'm joined by Tank Sinatra, the meme king, with over 15 million followers across Tank's Good News, influencers in the wild, and his personal account. Tank is breaking down what the meme economy really is, how much a single sponsored post pays. Why major brands are throwing serious money at jokes, and how meme culture, think preparation H, starter packs, and a perfectly timed screenshot is actually reshaping how we think about money and value. Get ready for a conversation that'll change the way you scroll, make you rethink what going viral is really worth. And prove that sometimes the most serious money moves are wrapped in the silliest of jokes. Listen wherever you get your podcast or watch on youtube.com slash your rich BFF. Scott, we're back. It's been almost a year since the Trump phone was announced, and there is still no sign the device is anywhere close to shipping, but that hasn't stopped Trump Mobile website from continuing to accept the hundred dollar deposit. For the phone, the fine print notes, a pre order deposit provides only a conditional opportunity if the Trump Mobile later Elects to offer the device for sale. And while the phone was initially tatted as being uh made in America, the site now describes as being shaped by American innovation. Looks like these aren't coming and that people have lost their money, which we said would happen. This is exactly um you know, uh I'm not sure where the phone ranks among various Trump griffs. Um Another Trump venture where things weren't looking so great. Uh Trump media just posted a net loss of four hundred and six million and I think they made under a million dollars in revenue driven largely by unrealized losses in crypto holdings. And while they're doing all this grift, the Pentagon has released a batch of, quote, never before seen UFO files on a dedicated government website. The files include details from over four hundred reports from the forties in recent years, including several Apollo missions, President Top Towd of the administration, Transparency and Truth Social Post saying now. The people can decide for themselves what the hell is going on. We cannot decide. There are just more lights. Hey, I can get more out of just like a book I buy at the airport about these things. So it's just a lot of, you know, hand waving all over the place and grift. I mean the Trump phone, which Scott and I both said was never gonna happen. It's not gonna happen, people, and uh sixty million bucks or something like that. They think that's how much they collected. It's it's grit. First off, uh this wasn't This wasn't a down to payment on a product. It was a donation. I don't think anyone's gonna care. I I think the likelihood that he was ever gonna have a competent phone was Probably didn't escape these folks as we're as it relates to me um aliens. I'm convinced. that aliens have been monitoring us, including all of our media. And if you're really honest, about two thirds of our media is porn. So I think this explains that the aliens aren't using anal probes for information. They're just trying to speak our language. Can you ask a question? Do you believe in aliens? I'm just curious. When you think about UFOs and you see these pictures and the let me tell you, everybody, I looked at some of these pictures. They look like the pictures you always see, bright lights. Things moving across the sky, unexplainable phenomena, often often lights, uh you know, or lights moving in a pattern or something like that, which could be explained lots of different ways. Do you actually believe in aliens, sir? If you believe well there's some logic here right there. Like Loch Ness monster? Most astrophysicists believe It it it appears the infinite space theory that th that space never ends. So space never ends and it's regenerating and then space-time continuum curves. And space never ends. That means everything exists. That means everything that's happened has happened before because if Space never ends. That means that's the th The infinite possibilities of everything exist and everything that you can imagine is out there. Okay. So it means we exist all the time, forever. You and I? No, it means that if there's if there's an infinite number of universes at some point there's a universe very similar to ours with similar life spans, similar earth and gas and organisms and similar Similar Kara's and Scott's and if you don't believe if it's not exactly like it, just keep going through infinity and eventually you'll get to it. So The fact that This is like the plot of interstellar or something like that. If if space. Space is infinite and I'd like to hear an argument for how it couldn't be. Then of course there's a galaxy and another alien intelligence that can send probes here. Having said that I don't think they'd be that interested with us. So I don't Do I believe they exist? Yes. Do I believe the ones we have seen are actual alien intelligence or life? I don't think so. Maybe they're flashes from another universe. Maybe that's what we're seeing lights that maybe they you know, like in all the sci fi they or or the Marvel movies, all the different universes suddenly the sky gets ripped open and one of the universes comes in. To this one. You have to close the it's always having to close a fucking portal in those movies, which I never understand. Um, but I vaguely do. I think we should ask aliens to hunt down. All the people on Jeffrey Epstein's island, I think we could call it alien versus predators. They show that. Um I would like the aliens to arrive just about now. That's what I would like them to do. You ready for it? I would like them to come now. It's time. It's time. It's time. Either Jesus or them. I don't care. Jesus needs to come back or they do. I don't either one. I'm good with the anybody showing up and like getting our t that's the distraction we need. And and uh I would that's what it says, Kara. Yeah, of distraction, of course. Distraction Of course, absolutely. Anyway, uh well we we wish you will come, alien. All I gotta say is if females invade the earth and kidnap men with large cocks. Uh You're in no danger and I'm just I'm just writing this to say goodbye. Oh, can I have your stuff? Can I have your stuff. You have my stuff. I filmed to my house in New York and I'll be like down two cashmere sweaters. I know you've been stealing my sweaters. Yeah, that's true. I have your stuff. They're in Brooklyn right now. Anyway, you can stay at Brooklyn any time. You'll never come to Brooklyn, which is fantastic. I've been there twice. Both times to go to the new Soho House over there. That's it. Alex and I will be in Brooklyn. If you're not in Manhattan If you're not on the island called Manhattan, there's no reason to ever visit the North East. The North East is so overrated except for a seven by two Mile Island. That's it. Let me just say Legs is gonna be in Brooklyn with me and he's gonna eat. You know, tonight, by the way, let me just say it's Amanda's birthday today. Um and happy birthday, Amanda. We're going out for uh oysters tonight in in D C and I literally gonna have to take out a small loan 'cause Alex is coming. Last time we took him for a sushi, it was like $400. Anyway, uh one more quick break and we get back, uh wins and fails. Okay, Scott, wins and fails. I feel like I shall go first. Speaking of conspiracy theories, this is one that I find very troubling. And look listen, I even kinda believe it. One in four Americans think the April shooting at the White House Correspondents Center was staged, according to a new survey. Roughly one in three Democrat respondents said they believe the event was staged compared to one in eight Republicans. The same thing with the other the a lot of like Marjorie Green, all these people think the f the shooting in Butler was staged. I just feel the falling off of assuming cons and this is this does go back to Kennedy assassination and before There's always been a conspiracy theory minded pop populace we have. But it's just a little it's slightly depressing because like remember when you said I thought Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself. Just like nobody believes anything. And I find it really depressing that our shared Like I get conspiracy theories and I see why you might think this. And I hate myself for even saying, Oh, maybe it was, right? Without any proof. And I find that gross, I have to say the conspiracy theory minded. But you become more that way as you live in this world where AI and social media and everything else just sort of spins your spins your brain in a way that's really gross. Um, and speaking of clarity, I have to say, one thing is first of all, Matt Damon on Saturday Live was superb and he looks like he's great in the Odyssey. He was super that was a superb show. S N L is really bringing it up. He's a really thought actor. Anyway, uh but I have to give uh talking about clarity, Chelsea Handler at the Kevin Hart Rose uh was fucking super So was Tom Brady, by the way. But let me say Chelsea Hanler handed it back to the MAGA sort of adjacent comedian bros. You love that. I thought of you when I saw that. Let's listen to her call out the comedians who went to the Saudi Comedy Festival. favorite leaders making the draft mandatory, I assume that all of you will be signing up to go fight in Iran. Or do you tough talking pussies only go to the Middle East for comedy festivals? Oh so she had so many lines. That was a nicer one. And then she had some choice words for Tony Hinchcliffe. And she said Tony Tony is what happens when women don't have safe access to abortion care. Which I thought was funny. And then also like who's who's uh who's warming Joe Rogan's balls in their mouth now that you're here tonight. He looked sick the way she attacked him and it was so good. She did such a good job, I have to say. Chelsea, I love ya. Marry me, I say so good. She was fantastic and they just he was so uncomfortable, like they can't take a joke these people. They can dish it out, but they can't take it. And Chelsea put them down. Put them down. And I love love to see it. Anyway, your thoughts? I agree with you on that. Um So my wins and fails. My win is Mayor Mamdani's Pieter Terra tax. Um I'm not even gonna get into whether U the City of New York should be cutting costs or spends too much money. I don't have enough domain expertise. A resident of Florida. But the percentage of federal employees as a percentage of the population has steadily gone down. I've never bought that there's just wage waste fraud and abuse everywhere. And if we're gonna get our fiscal house in order Do we need to cut spending and raise taxes? The answer is yes. So I'm just gonna talk about the raising taxes side of it. If you're gonna raise taxes, it feels to me that there's a very legitimate argument. That the people who have done the best over the last thirty or forty years are the very wealthy and specifically owners. And it's pretty basic. Productivity has gone up forty five degrees. Wages have gone flat. The delta between those two lines is trillions of dollars. Yeah. value creation and almost all of it has gone to the top one, if not the top point one percent. So it seems to me that just basic math is It makes sense for the wealthiest among us to uh pay a disproportionate amount of incremental taxes. needed to operate this great experiment called the US to pay for our Navy to pay for food stamps. And The problem is, okay, so what do you do in New York if you need to raise revenues? Do you increase corporate taxes? The problem with that is and J me diamond pointed this out. J. Morgan has gone from thirty thousand to twenty thousand employees in New York in the last ten years, 'cause it's a very expensive place to do business. I mean it is. No question. Meanwhile in Texas it's gone from ten thousand employees to thirty thousand. So at some point You get diminishing returns. And a lot of the people that work at corporations Our middle class people who who who commute in from the different different boroughs. So you gotta be very careful about raising costs on business. Because New York is getting to the point where a lot of businesses are contemplating leaving or at least trans or at least doing the bulk of their hiring somewhere else. Then you think, Well, we could just go after all rich people. The problem is There are a lot of people in New York making a half a million, six hundred, eight hundred grand a year as a couple. And they can't I was that couple and I had to leave. Because It's just so goddamn expensive there and you're already paying thirteen or fourteen percent incremental taxes. So I like the idea and I let's bring this back to me. In twenty seventeen when I sold my company. I made the mistake of giving NYU, I think percentage the company, so the dean call me and said, Can you come up here? And when the dean calls you and says, come up here, it's either very good or very very bad news. And he said, We just got a check for X. And he said, first off, thank you. And He said, if my math is correct, that means you sold your company for why? And I said yes. And he's like, I need you to move out of faculty housing right away. And he said You liked that house, didn't you? I loved it there. No one it was all a bunch of hundred and ten year old widows from some tenure history professor that died forty years ago. No one makes eye contact. No one talks to each other. I loved it, Washington Square Village. It was amazing. No one even looks you in the eye. Occasionally there'd be a little mimeograph paper saying, join us in the third floor to celebrate Lois Frankel's life. You know, occasionally there was a notice about someone who died. That's it. I absolutely love it. Anyways he said He was really funny too. Peter Henry, one of my role models and the best boss I've ever had, he said, You're in strategies. Like answer me this. What do you think the objective is of faculty housing? And I'm like to provide housing for young faculty who who could otherwise not live here. And he's like, Bingo, I need you to move out next week, not the week after that. Anyways. I bought a place which Kara Swisher is very fond of. It's been my One of my second homes. And I spent about I don't know, about sixty days a year there, maybe ninety. I don't know. And here's the bottom line. This tax, I figured it out, I did the math. If it goes through Unfettered or unfortunately I'm the one that told you about this, by the way. You told it, so I began looking into it. It's unlikely to it'll be watered down, but if it goes through as Mom Dani has proposed it. It would be an incremental hundred thousand dollars a year tax on me, personally. I'm not fond of that. It's a form of a wealth tax because all that really does is take a say a condo worth 10 million and make it worth eight and a half or nine million because it's an extra $100,000. A year. But here's the bottom line. And the reason why I think it's a win. One. Our municipalities need to get their fiscal House in order. Two, it's clear that if there's going to be incremental taxes, it should be on the wealthiest among us. And three, a second a tax on second homes, which is also being proposed, by the way, in San Francisco and Montana. Is a very elegant way of going after those of us who quite frankly have the money. Right. It's under t it's uh over ten million dollars the house is correct. Over five. I don't know. Over five, okay. In addition, it also kind of you get a twofer here, and that is if people decide to sell, it does free up housing stock. So nobody likes a tax. I get it. And the the wealthy are gonna come out of their skin. I get it. Ken fucking Griffin needs to shut the hell up. He looks like a Hold on. I'm not done with my wins and my tails. All right, okay I get it. I actually think as far as taxes goes, which nobody likes, see above the meaning of the word tax. I think this is an elegant Thoughtful. Less bad tax. My little lesbian communist from San Francisco finally. And and as long as I can roll out of my apartment and I have the money which I do and go to Jack's wife Rita And sit there and order a latte and watch the freak show of commerce. Sacks. Capitalism. Art, fashion, walk by me. It is worth a hundred grand a year to me. And it's still worth that to a shit ton of people because if you have a second home in Manhattan, My brothers and sisters, you are doing just fine. Yeah. And the second home tax being proposed across municipalities that need to raise revenue. It is an elegant idea. Thoughtful tax. Mm-hmm. This is what you're not gonna like. My fail. is Mir Mam Dani and his class warfare. Against the rich and doxing Ken Griffin. That was totally totally out of line. I would agree with you. Totally out of line, and here's the problem with Democrats. We want to redistribute virtue, not income. Pose a tax on the wealthiest. I get it. Get on with it. Stop complaining about billionaires. Do your fucking job and raise taxes on the wealthy. But instead. Do not go to their home. Dox them. And this is what's gonna happen. This is what's going to happen. Ken Griffin, who was had a $6.5 billion project underway in Manhattan, supposedly has given a quarter of a billion dollars to New York based charities, you know what he's going to say? You. And he's gonna he's absolutely gonna take capital he was investing in Manhattan and move it to Florida and Texas. And here is the problem with Democrats. We'd much rather signal virtue than do our fucking jobs. And that is it is one thing to be right, but it doesn't matter if you're ineffective. And the Democrats are gonna lose if they continue to c to try and with this undercurrent of young men are the problem, don't have problems. Most white people are racist and all billionaires are evil. Well, guess what? You're gonna lose. The young male. The wealthy And quite frankly the white vote If you keep this class warfare demonization of success up, one of the most wonderful things about America. And the reason why we have consistently attracted the best and brightest around the world is we celebrate success. Now do we need to redistribute income to the middle class? Absa fucking lutely. Notice how they never talk about Oprah or Beyonce. This is identity politics at its worst. It's demonizing success. And you are gonna end up with lower treasury receipts, but great, you're gonna virtue signal. All right, let me ask you, what is the thing? Because it it I think the the most effective messaging around this area, and I often please saying, are billionaires off? I'm like, not all of them. No, of course not. Like, you know, I think the most effective way is to say Everyone needs to pay their fair share. That I think is a very effective thing. So you're saying the same thing. And remember, I think Gore tried to sort of demonize rich people, which is ironic since he is one. Um, but one of the things uh that I think is effective is Everybody should pay their fair share. Like everybody shouldn't get breaks. Everyone shouldn't get to meet with the president if I don't, right? Everyone shouldn't be in a meeting where they get stuff. I think the the the get while they're getting's good stuff of them standing there and pulling in like Scrooge McDuck all the money. is a very good message. Like why do they get this first, why do they get the best bits and you don't? I think that is not demonizing them. It's saying fair share. This is how much they pay. This is how much you pay. This is how much corporate tax has gone down. This is how much your taxes have gone up. I think that is fully a great way to do it. And I agree that I didn't love the the the the thing of the Ken using Ken Griffin. I think you could have done much wider is all these people have second homes. And they should pay a tax on it. And that's that. And that and they're very rich and they can not just they can afford it, they don't have they don't have to pay taxes. And win with math is the way you kinda do it with people in a in a smart way. That's my feeling. What about you from a marketing perspective? What do you think? If teachers unions were much more powerful And they had figured out a way to weaponize government and were getting paid five hundred thousand dollars a year on average, plus benefits, plus retirement, they would not be saying enough. We don't need any more. People will always respond to incentives in a capitalist society to get more and more. Until We get rid of Citizens United. The wealthiest among us will weaponize government and always incrementally seed the transfer of power of our economy from Laborers and consumers. The entire shooting match around income inequality is the following. The point of America is to to make the jump to light speed by evolving from an earner to an owner. Because once you're an owner, your wealth compounds tax deferred. Owners are smos so powerful and have such powerful lobbyists because of Citizen United, they keep coming up with new tax breaks. I can buy a jet today and write the whole fucking thing off in year one being cash flow positive. If I own a home and I put it in an LLC, I'm an owner. I can sell it, don't have to have a capital gain, I can roll into another investment property, put it in a trust, $30 million exemption, and start building a dynasty. Until we have an elected Elected populists, elected representatives who stop Transferring capital influence. Well being health per your series. From From labor and from consumers to shareholders, none of this is gonna change. And the key to all of this, none of this happens. unless you do away with Citizens United. And for Bernie Sanders and Elizabet Warren, who keep complaining about the wealthy, well then do your fucking job. When you controlled all three houses of government, taxes went down on the rich during the Biden administration. So uh everyone can It's like the the guy complaining that the the game was rigged is wearing a referee's uniform. Yeah. You need structural reform. But demonizing billionaires? Everybody does the same thing. Everyone responds to incentives and feathers their bed the most they can. I also think they they do it to themselves. I do think on the other hand the look of the Bezos'es at that Met Gala wasn't good. Totally different issues. I think they do they do it to themselves. They do it to themselves. So let them do it to themselves. Venice. Everyone knows how that feels. Um I I have to say I agree with you. You're right. I think it was a rare misstep by Z Mamdani who's a little more deft as the way he handled Trump. Very savvy politician. I thought that was a little clottish of him. I think you're right. I think you're right. Anyway. Um those are good ones. Although Kim Griffin's still been a whiny bitch about it anyway. He's always a wine bitch. Smart guy. I understand, but he needs to All of them need to stop talking. Every one of them. Anyway, uh we want to hear from you. Send us your questions about business tech or whatever's on your mind. Go to nymag.com slash pivot to submit a question for the show or call eight five five five one pivot. Uh and we have a specific question for you listeners today. Who do you want to see co host with me in August when Scott goes away on a vacation, we have We already have a really good list, actually, and really including Chelsea Handler is coming. Uh, so the I'm very pleased about that. But we wanna hear your ideas and maybe we can get them for you. So we'll pick at least one from the people, the suggestions of the people. And don't be kooky. Don't be like Pope. I can't get the Pope, although I'm working on getting an interview with him, but I mean I mean I could try to get the Pope but it's not gonna work. Uh so email us, call us, or tell us on the socials. We want to hear Uh your suggestions, I would prefer an alien, if that's possible, if anyone's listening from up there or tapping into this show. Elsewhere in the Kara and Scott universe this week on On With Kara Swisher, I'm talking with author and journalist Patrick Radden Keefe. He's one of my favorite journalists. He writes amazing books. uh obviously wrote about the opiate crisis, he's written about the crisis in Northern Ireland, he's just amazing journalist. Uh his new book is called London Falling. It's about a mysterious circumstance around the death of a nineteen year old who was pretending to be the son of a Russian oligarch. Uh I asked Raden Keefe why he's drawn to these true crime stories. Let's listen to a clip. I don't really even think of myself as a crime reporter, but it is a situation where when I go out and I pursue what's interesting to me in the world, it's often stories about people transgressing. in one way or another. It's often stories about people kind of using their own charisma. change the world a little bit, to find some little wormhole, some loophole they can get through, or actually to kind of reorganize the world in a way that they would want. And