Plain English with Derek Thompson
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America's Religious Revival Is a Mirage
In this episode of Plain English, host Derek Thompson sits down with political scientist and data analyst Ryan Burge to challenge the widely circulating narrative that America is undergoing a massive religious revival. While recent headlines suggest a surge in religious participation among Gen Z and a general reversal of the long-term trend toward secularism, Burge argues that the reality is far more nuanced. By analyzing detailed demographic data and shifting social patterns, the pair investigates whether these reports of a spiritual comeback are a true historic shift or merely a statistical mirage. Listeners can expect an eye-opening exploration of how religious affiliation in the United States is actually evolving. Through a data-driven lens, they unpack what the numbers really say about the future of faith in America and why the current perception of a national religious resurgence might be misleading.
Updated Apr 29, 2026
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SpaceX, AI Bubble Fears, and The Age of the Trillion-Dollar, Zero-Profit Company
In this episode of Plain English, host Derek Thompson explores the emergence of a new economic era characterized by trillion-dollar companies that operate without immediate profits. Joined by guests Michael Batnick and Ben Carlson of the Animal Spirits podcast, the discussion focuses on recent high-profile IPOs from companies like SpaceX, OpenAI, and Anthropic. The panel examines how these firms are prioritizing massive capital expenditure on artificial intelligence and infrastructure over traditional profitability metrics. The conversation highlights a significant shift from the asset-light technology models of the 2010s to the current capital-intensive AI buildout. The hosts analyze the mechanics of these IPOs, specifically the scarcity tactics used to drive valuations, and the unique influence of leaders like Elon Musk. Furthermore, the episode addresses the divergence in market performance, noting that while hyperscalers like Microsoft and Alphabet have faced stock pressure due to their heavy spending, other segments of the AI ecosystem—such as memory and semiconductor producers—have seen explosive growth. Ultimately, the discussion interrogates whether this transition represents a sustainable evolution of capitalism or a precarious bubble driven by the promise of future AI dominance.
The Iran War Is Ending. Everybody Lost.
In this episode of Plain English, host Derek Thompson explores the swift escalation and subsequent anticlimactic conclusion of the recent war between the United States and Iran. Just four months after launching a massive military campaign with stated goals of regime change, nuclear nonproliferation, and dismantling Iranian regional power, the Trump administration has signed a ceasefire agreement that many experts characterize as a strategic surrender. Thompson is joined by Karim Sadjadpour of the Carnegie Endowment to analyze why a war that began with such aggressive posturing ended with a lopsided memorandum of understanding. The discussion highlights the devastating economic fallout caused by Iran’s retaliation—specifically the closure of the Strait of Hormuz—which crippled global energy markets. The conversation delves into the internal political shifts within the administration, noting the pivot from neoconservative ambitions to an isolationist stance championed by Vice President JD Vance. Ultimately, the episode serves as a critical post-mortem on a conflict that left the U.S. with few tangible gains, solidified Iran's leverage over critical global chokepoints, and potentially alienated key regional allies, leaving the long-term geopolitical legacy of the war in deep uncertainty.
The Donald Trump Corruption Scandal Draft
In this episode of Plain English, host Derek Thompson sits down with Isaac Saul, editor-in-chief of the news organization Tangle, to examine the unprecedented level of financial self-enrichment and alleged corruption within the Donald Trump administration. Eschewing a standard interview format, the pair engages in a high-stakes "corruption draft," selecting and dissecting the most egregious examples of the president’s use of executive power for personal gain. The discussion highlights the shift in American politics toward a normalized, brazen form of grift. Thompson and Saul explore why this behavior has become a political non-issue for many, despite its potential to set a dangerous precedent for future administrations. They dive deep into specific, high-profile scandals, including the launch and subsequent collapse of "Trump coin"—a cryptocurrency scheme that resulted in massive losses for investors while netting hundreds of millions for the Trump family—and the controversial pardon of Binance founder Changpeng Zhao. By framing these actions as a systematic abuse of public trust, the episode provides a sobering, analytical look at the intersection of political power, celebrity, and commerce in modern governance.
The Most Exciting Month of Medical Breakthroughs in Years
In this episode of Plain English, host Derek Thompson explores what he describes as a miracle month for medical breakthroughs, suggesting that the recent pace of innovation feels like a sudden acceleration after years of stagnation. Thompson is joined by Matthew Herper, a senior writer at Stat News, to discuss major developments in drug therapy and the evolving landscape of medical research. The conversation highlights the significant impact of GLP-1 receptor agonists, such as the new drug Retarutide, which shows promise in treating obesity and a wide range of related health issues, including heart disease, sleep apnea, and inflammation. They further examine groundbreaking progress in oncology, specifically focusing on new treatments for previously undruggable targets like the KRAS protein in pancreatic cancer. The discussion delves into the clever scientific mechanisms behind these therapies and addresses the potential for artificial intelligence to accelerate clinical trial efficiency, despite ongoing challenges with data interpretation and research costs. Ultimately, the episode provides a measured yet optimistic look at whether we are entering a new golden age of medicine and how these advancements could fundamentally transform human health and longevity.
Old-igarchy: How the Elderly Conquered American Power
In this episode of Plain English, host Derek Thompson explores the rise of a gerontocracy in America, examining how the elderly have consolidated unprecedented control over the nation’s wealth, political power, and professional institutions. Thompson is joined by historian Samuel Moyn, author of the book, Gerontocracy in America, to discuss the structural shifts that have allowed older generations to dominate public life. The conversation highlights key statistics, such as the aging composition of the U.S. Senate and the increasing number of S&P 500 CEOs over the age of seventy. Moyn argues that this is not merely a byproduct of increased life expectancy but a systemic issue fueled by policy changes, such as the elimination of mandatory retirement. The pair discusses how this aging leadership creates a bottleneck for younger generations in academia and the workforce, while skewing federal spending and local housing policies to favor existing property owners. Throughout the episode, they address the tension between respecting older citizens' rights and the necessity of ensuring a fair, intergenerational distribution of power, questioning whether the American system has become effectively rigged to favor the old at the expense of the young.
How Modern Fatherhood Is Changing Men’s Brains
In this episode of Plain English, Derek Thompson explores the shifting landscape of fatherhood with researcher Darby Saxby, author of Dad Brain. The discussion highlights that while motherhood is relatively consistent across human cultures due to biological necessities, fatherhood is remarkably diverse and highly contingent on local economic and social structures. The conversation challenges the notion of a universal "traditional" fatherhood, pointing out that the rigid breadwinner-homemaker model of the mid-20th century was an exception rather than a long-term historical norm. In the United States, fatherhood is undergoing a transformation, with college-educated millennial dads significantly increasing their time spent on childcare compared to previous generations. Despite this progress, the episode delves into the persistent issue of the "mental load"—the invisible labor of planning and management that continues to fall disproportionately on mothers. Thompson and Saxby analyze how intensive parenting culture, driven by both love and social anxiety, complicates the division of household labor. They also discuss tools like the Fair Play method, which aims to distribute responsibility by making hidden tasks visible, ultimately suggesting that modern fatherhood is a process of adaptation in response to evolving societal expectations and workplace demands.
What 400,000 Essays Reveal About AI and Creativity
In this episode of Plain English, host Derek Thompson sits down with neuroscientist Adam Greene to explore the complex relationship between artificial intelligence and human creativity. The conversation centers on a recent study conducted by Greene’s team, which analyzed over 370,000 college admissions essays written both before and after the release of ChatGPT. The findings reveal a paradoxical shift: while AI-assisted essays are often rated as more creative by human experts due to their sophisticated and varied vocabulary, the underlying ideas have become increasingly homogeneous. Greene identifies this as a dangerous trade-off where students gain sharper sentences but risk dulling their own capacity for divergent thinking. The discussion delves into the existential and neuroscientific questions surrounding creativity, distinguishing between the creative product and the creative process. Greene argues that the true value of creativity lies in the internal, cognitive work performed by the human brain. By relying on AI to perform this "thinking," users risk cognitive atrophy. Ultimately, the episode serves as a warning that as AI-generated content becomes more prevalent, society must learn to distinguish between the superficial polish of machine-generated text and the genuine, diverse ideas essential for human progress.
The Surprising Truth About America's Friendship Crisis
In this episode of Plain English, host Derek Thompson explores the growing crisis of connection in modern society, specifically focusing on the decline of meaningful friendships. Thompson reflects on the challenges of maintaining social bonds amidst the hectic demands of career and parenting, noting a broader trend he terms the antisocial century. He highlights data indicating that men, in particular, are suffering from a sharp decline in close friendships, often struggling to bridge the gap between their preferred shoulder-to-shoulder activities—like sports—and the deeper, face-to-face vulnerability required for enduring connections. Joining Thompson is Yale professor and happiness researcher Laurie Santos. Together, they examine the historical evolution of friendship, noting that social norms have shifted from the openly expressive, intense friendships of the past to modern standards that often discourage such displays. The discussion also interrogates the nature of loneliness, distinguishing it from solitary time. While solitude can be a restorative, intentional practice, the participants argue that the persistent, passive consumption of digital entertainment often traps individuals in an unhealthy state of isolation. They conclude that re-prioritizing social efforts, even when inconvenient, is essential for long-term psychological and physical well-being.
Why the NBA Feels Broken—and Why the League Can’t Fix It
In this episode of Plain English, host Derek Thompson sits down with journalist Tim Alberta to dissect the current state of the NBA and the leadership of Commissioner Adam Silver. Despite the league’s unprecedented financial growth, record-breaking television deals, and increased global talent, many fans feel a sense of existential malaise regarding the sport. The discussion explores why the regular season has begun to feel like an empty, meaningless exhibition, plagued by issues like tanking, player rest, and the decline of home-court advantage. The conversation highlights a "vibes crisis" rooted in the league's transformation into a highly optimized, globalized, and corporate entity. Alberta shares insights from his extensive reporting on Adam Silver, describing the commissioner as a high-strung, methodical manager whose approach contrasts sharply with the flamboyant, narrative-driven leadership of his predecessor, David Stern. They examine how Silver’s neurosis and obsession with online sentiment might be influencing the game's direction. Ultimately, the episode questions whether the league has become a victim of its own success, balancing the immense profits of a modern corporation against the deteriorating fan experience of what was once a beloved cultural pastime.
The Men Who Think Toxic Feminism Destroyed America
In this episode, host Derek Thompson explores the rise of a political and cultural movement known as masculinism, featuring guest Helen Lewis, a staff writer at The Atlantic. They examine how this emerging ideology serves as a unifying force within the modern American right, positioning itself as a direct counter-reaction to feminism and what its proponents perceive as the "feminization" of society. Lewis argues that masculinism extends far beyond online influencer culture. She identifies it as a serious, intellectualized movement that connects various strands of the American right—ranging from religious theocrats to secular thinkers—through a shared belief that traditional social hierarchies and masculinity are under attack. The discussion delves into the "Great Feminization" thesis, which suggests that modern institutions have been compromised by a culture of shame and excessive empathy attributed to feminist influence. Beyond the cultural "vibes," Thompson and Lewis investigate the movement’s concrete policy ambitions, such as promoting traditional breadwinner models, restricting no-fault divorce, and favoring sex-segregated education. The episode provides a critical look at how these ideologies aim to reverse social shifts from the last several decades, ultimately framing gender roles as a central fault line in contemporary American politics.
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