Finding New Paths to Growth

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I like dogs. There uh were no dogs in the rainforest, uh, but our destination was a big steel observation tower. Mm. And after climbing ten flights of stairs, we reached the top where we saw rainforest stretching all the way to the horizon. Except I hear it. I hear buses. Yeah. Just to the south. Through the streets. There was this bright line running through the jungle. So on one side we have The vast Amazon forest. And then on the other side It's a bustling metropolis. Everything turned into squares and right angles and dark roads and white concrete high rises. We were looking at the city of Manaus, one of the biggest cities in Brazil. Over two million people live here. That is like San Francisco, Seattle, and Boston combined. The city is a manufacturing powerhouse. Nearly every TV that is sold in Brazil, every microwave, every motorcycle is built right here. right in the middle of the Amazon rainforest. And that is because, 60 years ago, the military dictators of Brazil embarked on an ambitious economic experiment. Manaus to grow. quickly. nearly any cost. part of a bigger plan to get Brazil to grow as quickly. By following that blueprint by industrializing. And for a long time, this worked. Until it didn't. Hello and welcome to Planet Money. I'm Jeff Guo. Once upon a time, many economists believe that poor countries could very quickly catch up to rich countries simply by following in their footsteps, by building schools and roads, and factories. Lots and lots of factories. Nowadays, economists are a lot less optimistic. And if you ask them why, a lot of them will point to Brazil. Today on the show, how do poor countries become rich countries? And what went wrong with that original blueprint? This message comes from Superhuman, the AI productivity suite that gives you superpowers everywhere you work. 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Now there are stores selling cell phones and soccer cleats. 80% discount. The outlet. There are high-rise office buildings and gated communities. And then you cross a little bridge, and all of a sudden you are in the industrial zone. There are rows of corrugated tin workshops, shipping containers stacked behind barbed wire. Smells like fried fish and diesel. Hundreds of companies from all over the world have set up factories here. Japanese, Coreano. Some of the companies have set up these huge walled campuses here. L G, oh my god. L G L G L G like a steam. There's also Honda, BMW, Whirlpool, Yamaha, Foxconn. He says Samsung is bigger. You think that's big? Samsung is big. Every year these factories produce millions of cell phones and motorcycles and microwaves and computer monitors. The story of how all this arrived in the Amazon goes back to the 1960s, when Brazil's military dictatorship was following what most countries thought was the bluprint for getting rich. Industrialization. Manufacturing. they wanted to bring manufacturing to the Amazon as well. So in nineteen sixty seven, they turned Manaus into this special economic zone where companies could get a lot of tax breaks. It's called the free zone, the zona franca of Manaus. Very official. Shall we? The Zona Franca is run by this government agency. Their headquarters are in a swooping concrete modernist building at the edge of town. In the lobby there is a wall with 27 framed portraits showing every past head of the Zona Franca. including the one we were about to meet. It's the only one in color. Os produtos. Television and Video Cassete, I don't know how they call the old Bosco said all those factories came to Manaus for one big reason. Tax breaks, those tax incentives for the free zone. Foram milhares e milhares. De oportunidades. Over the next decade, the population doubled. From the point of view of the residents, the Zona Franca has been a huge success. It took a fading rubber town in one of the poorest parts of Brazil and gave it a whole new economy. Bosco is like the number one hype man for the Zona Franca. It changed his life. It changed his family's life. And he's seen it change so many other people's lives. Não sei, estou tranquilo, feliz. Feliz, eu faço parte mesmo. Eu vi a Zona Franca nascer. He's so happy to be a part of it because he saw the Monastery Trade Zone like born to get started and now he lead it. And Manaus was just one example of Brazil's original mission at the time, which was to use the power of the government to follow that blueprint, to quickly kickstart industrialization and economic development. This approach has a name. Economists call it developmentalism. Back in the 60s and 70s, other countries with authoritarian governments were trying this too, like South Korea and Singapore and Taiwan. They were like, bam, we're gonna put a school here, bam, we're gonna put some roads there, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, we're gonna put a bunch of factories here, there, and everywhere. And the dream was that those factories that came for the tax breaks would stick around and eventually start to level up to make more advanced products. So eventually they wouldn't need so many tax breaks. In Manaus Quite happened. Basco told us that still today the companies in Manaus depend heavily on government subsidies, the tax breaks. Como de lei. Nós perderíamos automaticamente o polo porque seria economicamente inviável. Uh it's not economic possible to do this stuff here without the incentives. All the industry would go away. And one way to understand why Manaus still can't live without its subsidies is to look at what comes into the city versus what goes out. What you want for economic growth is for the factories to import low-tech components and turn them into high-tech components. After our meeting with Bosco, we headed to the port to look at the reality. Going through some security doors. Some X rays. Metal detector. Some metal detectors. Pretty much everything in Manaus arrives on big container ships. They travel almost a thousand miles up the Amazon River. Most of them unload here at a terminal called Port Shibitao. When we got through security, we saw this huge floating pier with more than a dozen red and orange cranes. The guy in charge of all of this is Johnny Fidelis Santos. A gente hoje praticamente 70% das cargas que chegam que chegam em Manaus hoje vem da Ásia. Johnny told us these days like 70% of the cargo arriving in Manaus vent from Asia. We stand in his office at hundreds of shipping containers stacked in the army. Just like picked a container like that one. Probably what is in it. Electronics. Componentes eletrônicos. Yeah, these high-tech electronic components, they get unloaded here in the terminal and whisked to the local factories in Manaus, in the zona Franca. where the workers are mostly just assembling all this stuff. Assembling them into TVs and air conditioners and notebook computers. So on the surface, Manaus is a tremendous economic success story. It's what a lot of countries dream of. A magnet for foreign investment, a manufacturing hub filled with high-tech companies creating jobs for hundreds of thousands of workers. Underneath all of that. a lot of the manufacturing is not actually very advanced or globally competitive. In recent decades, the government has been trying to upgrade the factories here. Bosco's agency has negotiated these complicated deals where if companies want to qualify for the tax breaks, they have to do some of the higher tech work here in Brazil. TVs, for instance. These days in the Zona Franca, workers are soldering components onto circuit boards. They are making the power supplies. But when we went to see these TVs on the shelves of the department stores, I want to see the TVs. A TVs even the salespeople knew that the most important components, the actual fancy OLED or LCD panels. Those are from somewhere else. Those are mostly coming over on the container ships from Asia. In Brazil. So, despite all the government's efforts the factories in Manaus, they've had a hard time leveling up and creating better jobs. could say maybe this is just a Manaus problem, that it's not a good idea to try to manufacture stuff in the Amazon. This problem is not isolated to Manaus. It's happening all over Brazil. Starting in the 1980s, Brazil's strategy of rapid industrialization kind of hit a wall. Brazil went from one of the fastest growing countries in the world one of the slowest. And you could also say that maybe this is just a Brazil problem. But in fact. A lot of countries that rapidly grew and industrialized in recent decades. Countries that achieved what the World Bank calls middle income status. They have also found that their economies just aren't growing like they used to. Middle income countries seem stuck. The name for this phenomenon is the middle income trap. coined by two economists at the World Bank. One of them was Homi Karas. Even though neither of us are golfers. Uh we kind of thought of the middle income trap as a uh with a golfing analogy. Oh sand trap. There are these sand traps. And If you're not a very good golfer and you go into one of these sand traps, it takes you a lot of Time to actually get your way out. Yeah, it could be pretty hard. Homie, who now works at the Brookings Institution, the think tank in DC, has basically spent his entire career studying if and when and how poor countries can become richer. Well, I come originally from a developing country, so that had always been one of my interests. Homy was born in Pakistan, and by the time he got to grad school at Harvard in the 1970s, economists were talking about this kind of utopian sounding idea. theory called convergence, which said that in the long run, if they made the right decisions, poorer parts of the world should be able to catch up to the richer parts of the world. Or at least get pretty close. Because there's a blueprint in front of you. One, build roads and schools and infrastructure. Step two. Industrialize, you know, get workers out of the fields and into factories. They would start out by making simple stuff. Like The essence of the low income country strategy is to take advantage of low wages. By having low wages, you can be very competitive. From there, once you've built up that manufacturing base, Steps 3, 4, 5, 11, 22 is you start upgrading those factories, teaching workers more and more advanced skills. The economy grows, people start earning more money. And you know, like this was the bluprint for countries. And then as they developed even further, they would move into services. finance and insurance. Because as an economy gets richer, more people need those things. The United States and the UK and Germany all followed this path, where more and more people went from farms to factories to eventually where some were enjoying, you know, desk jobs and three martini lunches. In the 80s and 90s, a lot of countries had managed to accomplish just those first couple steps. They built a manufacturing base. them from low income to what the World Bank calls middle income. which is based on per capita national income. In the late 80s and 90s, some of those middle income countries broke through again. South Korea and Singapore and Taiwan officially became high income countries. Some people called it the Asian Miracle. Homie. He writes this paper. That's like Um Countries like South Korea might actually be the exception to all of this, not the rule. There have been lots of countries that thought this is going to be their century and that. They've had a history of Decades of rapid economic growth that they thought would automatically translate into decades of future economic growth, but history teach us otherwise. So you were kind of You know, just Kind of a wet blanket, it sounds like. I was a bit of a uh wet blanket. And this wet blanket idea, the middle income trap. It has now become a big deal in economics. Homie's co-author is actually now the chief economist at the World Bank now. And a couple years ago, the World Bank published this big important report all about the Middle Income Trap. Literally the title was The Middle Income Trap. The basic gist of it is that this blueprint for going from poor to rich seems to have a big hole right in the middle. Most economists now pretty much agree on those first couple of steps, you know, to get countries from low to middle income. What I would call Get the basics right. That does really well for pretty long period of time. They also agree on how rich countries like the US are supposed to grow. Through inventing stuff, developing new technologies. once your high income. There's close to one path again. to continue to push the frontier and that path is called innovation. But for middle income countries, there doesn't seem to be just one path. Like South Korea went big on heavy industry and high-tech electronics, like microchips. Poland, the economy got a big boost from joining the EU. It got a lot of investment from Western Europe and became a manufacturing hub for a lot of European supply chains. Homie says middle income countries are caught in this weird situation. There are actually a lot of different ways to grow your economy. but you don't know which is gonna be a good fit for you. I guess it's like what sport do you want to play? Yeah. Are you gonna be good at volleyball or soccer or basketball? Yeah. You're unlikely to innovate the frontier because you don't have the let's say the quality of universities and uh other kinds of things. And you can't compete in garments because You got Bangladesh. You don't want to have low wages because the whole idea is how do we raise wages? So that air people are better off. Uhhuh. So you need to move to a different strategy. And what is that strategy? That's To be figured out. After the break? How does a country find its way without a bluprint? This message comes from Superhuman, the AI productivity suite that gives you superpowers everywhere you work. AI that works alongside you, understanding where you're at, and proactively offer suggestions when you're building ideas, drafting emails, collaborating, and so much more. Superhuman helps you go from to-do to done faster. time back you didn't know you had. Unleash your superhuman potential with AI that meets you where you work. Lear more at superhuman.com. As a kid growing up in Brazil in the nineties, Iara Felix remembers this phrase that she would always hear people say. Brazil is the country of the future. It's something people in Brazil have been saying for a long time, for decades and decades. O Brazil é o país do futuro. Because it seems like we have it all, man. And of course it becomes the joke because the future never comes. Growing up, Mayara did not have it all. Far from it. She was raised in a poor community in Northeast Brazil. There was lots of chickens on the streets and I remember a very vivid n afternoon, my sister and I are in our living room just like I think watching TV in an afternoon and then the neighbor's gigantic pig runs in front of us. And this is like a surreal moment. Maya says as a kid, she didn't really know she was poor. Uh until like, you know, we would get to go on the bus to the city next door and then Realize that the streets are paved and there's buildings and things like that. There was a path for her to follow to get her out of that poor neighborhood. She did well on her tests, got selected for a special public school farther from home. Eventually she made it to college, then grad school, and now she's an economics professor at Yale. where she teaches about the different paths that developing countries have followed. Some of those paths. not work anymore for countries like Brazil. I think the remarkable successes we can count in our fingers it's Singapore. China. South Korea, Taiwan. That's it, man. Maira says what those countries did that worked was to manufacture stuff for wealthier countries. We experienced post World War Two This remarkable opportunity for for developing countries to grow by accessing rich people. demand from rich people in rich countries. And East Asia has has been able to really do this brilliantly. But somehow Latin America, Africa didn't quite manage to do that. Okay, there are all these different theories and explanations for why a country like Brazil couldn't quite make that path work. For one, Brazil is a tough place to do business. There's tons of government bureaucracy. The country is still struggling with a lot of crime and corruption and political turmoil. The legacy of colonialism and slavery. Especially in countries with the h with history like ours, in Brazil and Latin America, where There's so much baggage that we carry. I don't think we can ignore that baggage. Also in Brazil, you had factories that mostly focused on making stuff for Brazilians, you know, like in Manaus, where the government used big tariffs to protect companies from competition. Whereas in places like South Korea, the government really pressured companies to export, forcing them to compete in the global marketplace. Maior says at this point, studying what countries like South Korea did in the past, That will only get you so far. Because of course the world is a lot different now. Especially when it comes to manufacturing. These days, a lot of economists aren't so sure about where manufacturing fits into the blueprint anymore. Manufacturing technology looks a lot different than it used to. It's higher tech and fewer people. And also there's just a lot more competition now. It's very hard to compete on anything manufacturing with China. It's very hard comp nowadays. Like the global competitive world is very uh very intense. And so you need to play to your advantages. In fact, in recent years, Brazil and many middle income countries around the world have gone from industrializing De industrializing. Some economists call this premature deindustrialization. Companies are closing down factories because they can't figure out a way to compete. Mayara says that doesn't mean that all hope is lost. J means that countries like Brazil They need to find something else for people to do. The key thing is w are you doing something more productive? And that doesn't necessarily have to be manufacturing sectors. Can we accomplish this with anything other than manufacturing? Yeah, like in Brazil, factory workers there are less productive than they were five years ago. Mayara says there are places where the Brazilian economy has been getting more productive. One of those bright spots where Brazil is leading the world in productivity is actually agriculture, just a more advanced kind of agriculture. No one expected in the eighties that Brazil would have become the world's biggest uh soy producer, orange producer, coffee producer. Uh and y uh we say that oh these are just commodities, man, like I think uh we need to update what our understanding of technology and agriculture is. Yeah, in recent decades, farmers in Brazil have invested of millions of dollars researching how to grow more food on the same amount of land, how to make farming more sustainable. the research it takes to to actually uh Adapt seeds, adapt varieties to Brazil's, you know, local environment. All of that is like really sophisticated things. Another potential bright spot, Maya says, might be the beauty industry. Brazil has one of the biggest markets in the world for beauty and cosmetic surgery. There is intense competition, and that competition has driven Brazilian companies to develop, you know, new types of skin care, even new types of liposuction. And you know, even in Manaus, we ended up finding people experimenting with what might be the next big industry. It's actually in a surprising place. Are these snacks for us? We were at this local company that made injection molded plastic parts. They were called Tuti Plast. When we walked through the plant, there were rows and rows of these big white pods with Chinese lettering on them. robot arm that goes in and like takes out the the thinnest piece. Yeah it's more than uh 95% of the I would probably say ease out the uh ease. Automated And I have to say this was kind of depressing watching these mostly automated machines pump out cheap plastic motorcycle bumpers and air ducts. Is it still warm?