Scottish governance and the Peter Murrell case

Am I tough enough a strong and stable leadership? Total rubor. Hell yes, I'm tough enough. Shut French. Not another one. It's the politics show cast The Pasaint Nis Ay twels. Aantina. PMQs roll the clip. Yeah Thankrpeak, can I associate this side of the House with the Prime Minister's remarks on the horrific train crash, the attacks in Edinburgh and of course, Armed Forces Wek I want to start by congratulating the Prime Minister. He's the other party leader who won a by election last week. Although I think I'm much happier with my new MP than is Two weeks ago,, two weeks ago, the Prime Minister told the House that the government was funding defence and everything was under control. The very next day, the defefence Secretary resigned, saying the Prime Minister was unable and the treasury unwilling to fund the defence of our country What changed?rak, she references the Bia election. I' very pleased with our new Mmber of Parliament I also say in Gordon and Denton, the Tour has got one point nine percent of the vote Can I congratulate her? because in Makerfield they got two point two percent of the vote etching past C Finface. She says they are winning everywhere at that rate, it will take them five hundred years to get back into power., meanwhile back on these benches, we have delivered the biggest sustained boost to defence spending since the nineteen eighties. That isUR two hundred seventy billion over this Parliament. a record The defefense investment plan will take that even higher. That's about facing the full future. We'll finalise the plan with the defefense Secretary and we'll have it published before the NAT summit. So that was the throwback to John Healy. God who remembers John Healy? apparently really doesn't remember John Heeley because he's in the running to be Chancellor. If the you know at the moment, the problem that you've got is that everyone everyone in media is looking around for a new angle into this story. so they're just sort of throwing things out like so and so could be Chancellor. This person could be you know, deffense seecretary all of this sort of stuff. But John Heley could be Chancellor, maybe? I did a programme the other day where I had to listen to someone for seven minutes wax lyrical about why John Healy would make a good Chancellor. So because I had to go through seven minutes of that, I hope he is actually in the running I don't I've not read that anyway. Why would he be in the running? Someone then said to me as well the other day Pat McFadden and I said, whyy would Pat McFadden be there? He wants to stay at DWP Soon as he was shadowed Chief sec, who else was that Wh was Chiefs Andy Burnham Andy Burn Andyurn. Andy Bham for Chancellor. Andy Burn for Chancellor. the Treasury. That would actually be quite cunt, wouldn't it if he's just like, I don't want any fighting, so I've just given myself all of the officers of state. Are you allowed to do that? Is there a? I highly doubt it. That'd be cool. Anyay, J John Heley so he wanted how much did he want twenty billion? Yeah. a lot of The defeence spending. And Rach R said no Rachel's always saying no, though, isn't she? Rachel's like, Oh, you're not allowed to heat your home and you're also not allowed to defend your home You know what? Would it be cheaper for them to just send out muskets? L if you had like a musket collection area and then you could just all be like take up arms and then we could have a debate for the next two hundred years as they have done over the Atlantic about whether that meant you know, actually you should be, you know prrotecting the country from invaders rather than just like shooting school children Yeah, Dad's army. That would a good debate would be a good debate. I'm sure. I'm sure I would be very Would you be any good with a musket? I doubt it I've got quite poor hand eye coordination Like I reckon first shot, yeah, class, bang, com'es dead, but then it's when the poweral comes, I've got to reload and do all the, you know business and like all the around. I think I'd be al right with the business. I can do it. I can do it. I it pushes back quite a bit, doesn't it? Iagine I imagine so Yeah. P probablyably like a b. Yeah ye. Doave you have a shotgun? No No neither I. Well, that's a complete lie. Yes I have. Yes, I've been shooting. Yes You've been shooting. Yeah. Like Claypigeon shooting. You've been clay pigeon shooting. How'd you find yourself there? J gotot the train, I think. Drove. I don't know. What's wrong with clay pigeon shooting? I don't know if I'd be able to shoot a gun Probably yes, you would. But if the moment called for it. What to shoot a clay pigeon or a person? Naturally. You never know if you've got a talent in something until you try. That's true, I suppose. I might be like Lara Croft Yeah, you could be like, L I suppose Loweracroft was quiteool, you're quiteool. I suppose Is that the requirement to be Larisoft Yeah? Like a woman, you've face me tall? I know that? Wow. well. if you look far as Britain. If you look on Reddit actually, there are a number of people who are transvestigating me. I've been transvestigated. Have you? The other way they said on GB News, Twitter, they were like Andy Bh Andy Burnham. Andy twelve's beard is too full He must be on testosterone. Is that a trans woman? A trans man even. And I was like, Oh, this class. That's that's That is the most insecure wettest L o, o, he hasn't got a patchy beard. Yeah He must be on hormones. That's some people are really quite I found it quite gratifying on because that was like, yeah I'm hyper masculine. this is really good. We got a lot of leg hair as well Yeah, I do and Chessa. You're kind of a hairy man, really? I am a biry man some much. You have a hairy chest? Yeah ye. a hairy man too Lucky guy. We haven't talked about any politics at? No, the first question of that clip, I just think it's interesting that she's thrown back to John Healey because the John Heley and the Al Khns resignations have kind of been swallowed up by Mc Field and then kind of subsequent resignation of Kissed armo, like That's still going to be a real problem both Kist Armour over the next three weeks or however long it is until the leadership contest finishes And then Andy Burnham when he becomes Prime Minister. like it's going to be a real issue. And don' I don't want to accuse the press of moving on from it too quickly. but a lot of people have got caught up in the tycho drama of Andy Burnham coming like Lenin to Finland down on that Avanti West Coast train and going, o we're all saved when the DIP is a real issue fundamentals of the treasy not wanting to give the money that the MOD and the armed forces wanton. You know, I actually thought it was really undignified how many how much of the press went to Eouston Station to chase him off of the train. I thought it was phenomenal. Did you like it? That was journalism at its best. You got Sky and the BBC had a helicopter following the train down from Watford. you had GB newews likeike with a guy on a telephone chasing through the station Oh it was fantastic. I think that you know, maybe I just need a holiday or something like that, but I do think that I don't want to get too grandiose here because I obviously eat sleep and breathe politics all of the time. But I do think that we have gotten a bit out of pocket with this iteration of the dramatic, you know, of the drama. I just I do think that, you know, we haven't We've been chasing Andy Burnham around around Makefield, now around London. A lot of people just trying to get a quick quip from him of, you know, who's going to be in your cabinet d d, all this sort stuff. Huge news stories about that formmer Blairright. Every sing member of the lobby last night to we think about the former Blairwright who's now going to be all out of the Flink Gobal Party. Yeah, I know. And you know, you do have to sit back and go Is this what the country needs right now? Is this what the country wants right now? Like I do think when you talk to normal people about it, they are really, really fed up of it. Yeah. I'm not trying to sound I'm really sorry I hate to sound a bit FBPA, but you know Do think people areed up I would quite like to hear if we're going to get a land value tax I think we really well. or something more progressive than council tes, I think Yeah But then I suppose it depends who Whatne it seems when you Pime Minister, iss not going to have such a focus on relatively niche things like that, that would be delegated to the secretary of State. Well, that's the point of interest, isn't it? is he going to How is he going to govern? Is he going to Is he going to be like sort of the devolved Prime M minister? Is he going to hand over a lot of power to local government, local councils? Is he going to be more interventionalist when it comes to domestic policy in the way that Kisara comp Totally wasn't. I mean, Kir Stara was mainly on the foreign Well on the world stage Is he going to go off and meet Donald Trump? Is he going to go to Ukraine or is he going to sit here and go, actually, we need to start building and I need to oversee every single one of those plans I would like to know that sort of information from him right now I agree. I think Yeah, you can hardly imagine Andy Burnham on the world stage though Yeah, Kiss Amor for all his flawors did kind of have that vibe of Yeah, he would probably do all right at the UN at the World Health Organization at you know, wherever he can wear a suit and go Oh yes because he's a lawyer. You can't really imagine Andy Burnham in a black polo shirt going ye, you're right guys and like getting on the points at the G seven. L I don't know if that vbe would work with Trump, for example. But what does actually work with Trump? Because even Maloney, you know, arguably, she played all of the games. She did everything that you know, Trump liked, you know, namely being very right wing about things and saying, I don't like immigrants And now she's out of favor with him. So is there really like a you know, is there actually a key to him? I also, do you know what again, look, I think I am getting a little bit jaded But I do think a lot of the photo calls of world leaders meeting So much of it is pointless. so much of it doesn't actually hold any weight or carry any water. I mean, okay, so you might have turned up somewhere and met Mahhemed bin Salman What does that actually mean in terms of like, you know, what does that actually mean? It's big for disoneboxing. I mean, you know, this stuff's been going on with You know, the US, Iran and Israel now for the last four months or so The UK hasn't had a single look at that We might have had photo opportunities now and then with the cooalition of the Willing, but we actually have had nothing to do. I think that's good Well, it's not because we get all of the repercussions from it and we're not involved in it. Yeah.. I mean, you know, we're not on the main stage at all Yeah, We're not even involved in this, you know, if Kirst Starmer during that time had phoned up Donald Trump and said, do you mind not bombing? Right Iran right now because you know, we've got a number of UK citizens who live in Dubai and we also would quite like the oil to come through the strait Trump would been like, who is this babe?? Who's ringing? Yeah? I think it's more a reflection of Trum arm Well what I'm just saying is I'm calling a question whether it's worth the time actually doing any of these and phhoto opportunities in the first place, shouldould we have another clip?, I think the Prime Minister forgot to mention that in Aberdeen South, we got fifty percent When he says that he's funding defence, the truth is he wouldn't be in this mess if his Chancellor had found money for the Deence investment planl. The Prime Minister gave her the second most important job in Britain. She was the first female Chancellor. She lives next door to him but wouldn't even come out to stand by him during his resignation speech She was too busy, she was too busy getting ready for a selfie with the new leader Does the Prime Minister feel let down by his Chancellor This is the Chancellor who ended austerity inflicted on our country This is the chance we haveve got the economy growing,rpeaker. She doesn't normally want to talk about the economy. That's because in the first quarter of this year, the UK had the fastest growing economy in the G seven. Our growth was upgraded by the IMF and the OECD. Last week unemployment was down. Inflation was better than better. That is because with this chance we have the right economic plan and we can weather the global storms in the war that sheX wanted to jump into. He' clearlying define his legacy as Sort of two things. He end Austerity he was the first person Prim Minister to break with the austerity ears of the Conservatives. And he beat the Tories. they was you know, he repeated it quite a lot throughout the whole session going We gave your party a dubbing, your party's historyies whack, we killed you, blah blah blah. And when Kemy went after the Chancellor on that second question going, this is the Chancellor that ended austerity. She's had to deal with the mess that you made over those fourteen years, etceter. She was the shadow chancellor that beat you, blah blah, blah. And those are like If he was to have a legacy, those are the two things that he clearly wants them to be And I think we saw that throughout a number of the questions and answers over those PMQs that you really, really jed on on those two areas of That is what stararism is. Yeah, let me pull that up because I noted some of those down actually. So in reply, he was asked about whether well what he'd actually delivered for Wales And he replied wasas it Liz Seal Roberts who did that? It wasn't it? from Ply Cumy. And he replied to us, saying, The largest evvolution settlement ever for Wales, the Angle Sea small nuclear reactor has begun construction, fourteen billion pounds invested in Welsh rail, pay rise for one hundred seventy thousand Welsh workers, seventy thousand Welesh children out of poverty. And I was listening to him talk about that and listening to him list through those and you go,, when you put it like that, that doesn't actually sound too bad at all. That sounds pretty good And then you think about it in the context of how normal people actually feel and whether they have felt anything different in the last two years, And it's it's like The two streams of thought do not coexist. Starmer is saying one thing, how people actually feel is another thing altogher And so it's like at what point do you say, well, perhaps it's not because Starmer is simply not a good orator pererhaps it's because actually We've almost had like a shift in need what people need. Yeah It's getting worse. So as the government tries to up and catch up and add new investment, it's still getting worse for people. So it's almost like the kind of if you think about it in terms of like an overt to window but in terms of like investment and how people are dealing or coping day to day It is moving Yeah. thinkink One of the Its it's one of those where He's done quite a few long terms and things actually that he personally didn't really agree with that was actually mainly Angela Ryna about the Employment Rights Act and the Rnters Rights Act, that I think will be really valuable to people over the long term and especially if reform get in and repeal it with a great repeal bill, then they'll really have felt how good it was if it goes back to what it was a couple of months ago. they might not feel it immediately So I think a few of those big landmark things that they really did fight to get through will be seen as the positives when they're taken away or if they're taken away. If that makes sense, which isn't good for the here and now kind of short term isn't twenty for seven media telling you everything shit. But like I do feel bad for successive governments that have done good long term things, but they're just not recognise because you can't feel them right now. Yes, but what have they I don't think they've done enough to make that long termism argument.. And I think Ed Milliband would be if he wasn't shackled by attempting to remain sort of somewhat respectable towards Ker Starmer, I think he would be more vocal about how many things or projects he would have liked to have implemented that he didn't quite get the chance to do I wonder if Andy Bardnen will keep keep him on in that role Eergy work Ls energy at he he's being he's one of the comrades being touted for Chancellor, I suppose, or the business and trade, which are slightly wider. because obviously energy used to be part of business and trade, didnn't it? when it was BS BIS. So maybe how do you say it? It's BS, no? BS. I think call it BS. I've never said it out loud. I've only ever seen it written you could see, you know return to that more powerful. You get a call from a civil servant and then they tell you that they'll be like, Oh I'm calling from Yeah ye. Bil, whatever. DBT is objectively a better acronym than bays. But you could see him going into business and trade and having almost an all powerful industrial portfolio quite similarly to how Tony bended in that Wilson government, I suppose. But we're not in the era of I mean, you know, Wilson government is cold man. L it's an entirely different era. I'd like I know. Yeahah, God bring bring back Tony Ben. God, who remembers Tony? Who remembers Tony Ben? Well Hill open the minds. Hillary Benn's kept himself quiet this Well he's been yeah, he was out and about, wasn't he during the Belfast riots. Yeah. L, I mean they from the falism side. He's been pretty quiet. He has actually been very quiet since that day where he backed bombing Syria I remember that, I remember that day really viscerally years ago and I remember thinking like, my god If Tony Ben could see you now. Yeah you know It's che Yeah Tony Ben I think they'll probably keep Hillary Benn on as He resigned being a Viscount, didnn't he so that he could sit in the comments. Tony Benn. Yeah. he got the law changed about hereditary peerages. It's not only that he resigned as a Viscount, he made it legal for him to renounce his Viscount title because he was an MP before his father died and then when his father died he washerited and got law changed and when they forced the by election for his seat, he ran in the by election, won again with a larger majority, which posed quite a large constitutional issue and changed the act So that was Pretty cool, pretty based W I been during the war No would bely It was when they were in opposition, I believe. What's it? I believe so. 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It's an ESIM, so you don't need to put anything into your phone It's an app that you download and you just change over which sim you are using. Yeah. I Thought I was gonna have to do it for him. He did it like a breeze. Boom down. You know it's brilliant. It's really easy to use. evenven a boomer could use it. There you go. That's not a seell. I don't know what it is. That's not a seell. it's Saling Shut up. fifty should. h are you? Politics, Joay. Thanks I speak Im a gouna, It's the Politics show cast nineteentyway.right there you go. Anyway, that was interesting. Should we have another clip? Once again, I have to ask if it's also fantastic, why is he resigning? And I think it is very generous of the Prime Mister to stick by his ministers because they didn't stick by him. He can say what he likes, but the people of Aberdeen gave their verdict, they gave their verdicts on his energy secreary by voting conservative But to be fair,peak, to be fair, to be fair, they're not all traitors and deserters. Some of his cabinet have been loyal, loyal and incompetent. Hands up if you think the ducation seecretary is doing a good job. Even she doesn't think she is doing a good job,rpeak. Even she does't think she is doing a good job othersoneone did just For those who raised their hands, the two people who raised their hands, yesterday, a poll found that zero percent of teachers think the education secretary is doing a good job. zero percent. She taxed private schools to pay for more teachers of teachers has gone down It turns out appointing a spiteful class warrior as education sectary was a disaster agree Does the Prime Minister agree that he has been let down by her incompetenceter The education Secretary grew up in poverty. She knows exactly what it means to grow up in poverty She was once reluctant to tell her story, I know her story, it is an incredible story of social mobility and success I am so proud that she is sitting there and so should everybody in this country who cares about social mobility She knows that for poor children education is absolutely vital, and that is why it drives every single priority and value that she has. I would have thought the party opposite would recognise and understand some of that, but they've fallen so low they don't. So what was actually the crux of that? Why was she having a go at her? I mean, I know what was said, but what was the actual So the basis was a poll that came out yesterday from the NEU National Education Union did a poll with Delt poll of their members, four thousand members and off the four thousand members polled, zero percent thought that Phillipson was doing very well. nine percent thought that Phillipson was doing quite well thirty four percent thought that Philipson was doing quite badly U Fty percent thought she was doing very badly and seventeen percent didn't know So she was referencing the zero percent of teachers think you're doing a really good job as just a jibe Because yeah. But is that not because I mean schools are in the Schools are in the most disastrous way I mean, you know, I've got family who are teachers and Ive got a lot a lot of the girls I went to school with are teachers now And u I mean, the stories that you hear about classrooms, they are abominable, the sort of I've lost an airing I lost an earring? Oh no No ls two T one earlier I think so. Hope isizo and I mean, classrooms are in a real dire way. You don't have teaching assistants in most classrooms now. You've got huge numbers of SN children who are in the classrooms and the private school VAT and the adding on of the VAT, like if you hear it from a conservative or you read it in the right wing press, they'll tell you that it is simply because they added VAT to private schools that all of these Sen children are now in state schools. that's this has been going on it's far preceded this issue far preceded that adding on of the tax Schools have been absolutely stripped their budgets Even when they were awarded a pay rise, you cannot forget this. When the teachers were ordered a pay rise, the schools had to find that money in their own budget. They were not awarded any extra Cash. So they're stripped So those kids had it taken out of their, you know, I don't know if they needed extra textbooks or maybe a school wanted to get a new smart whiteboard. L they couldn't have it any longer. It had to go to the teachers. And then the worst argument out of all of that was that the teachers were wrong for taking the pay rise. Do you know what these people are earning? Yeah. I mean It's, you know, and they say things like, why aren't there any men who are working as teachers? Why aren't there any male teachers anymore And it's like, I don't know, Pal, probably because you paay them twenty nine grands When they want to do a conversion course, they get a burth rary bursary, right? So for their first year of teacher training And I have to be honest with you,, if you are in a major city, it's not enough enough to live. I mean, it's enough to live on because I don't want to sound, you know I'm not trying to sound out of touch, but it's not You wouldn't be able to like go out to dinner. Mike You know, or you wouldn't be able to go on a holiday. Like it really is like enough to get you through the year. That's just not living man Why would you want to do that? Why would you and it's a tough enough job as it is? Yeah, I agree. One of my favourite things from teaching it's Cvin Robinon The right wing priest that lives in America now. Oh yeah he was the face of a teach first campaign a while He used to be He was like in the adverts of what a model teacher would look like because he'd gone from being a teach first teacher to head of computer science at his school to like deputy head teacher within five years or something. So he used to be a poster boy. to teach first, which is Quite funny little. that is interesting. Look at it. And now he's just in a He was talking about me y other dayday wasn't he I'm a horrible feminist who hates man. Yeah, real. Ava Santini, my least favorite feminist. My least favorite feminist and They really need to go over that GB news thing. It really did happen three years years ago, man Three years ago. Get over it man B to Prudgia Phillipson, I thought that was insane for Kemy Bayor to call a, you know, something class warrior blah, blah blah. about this as well. What a weird thing to do Kemmi lost her head at Prime Minister's questions. It's not the first time. She's compared me to a Gestapo officer I wonder what it is about a working class woman driving record investment in state schools by ending private schools, tax breaks that the Tories hate so much Brget, Let's just calm down there now because we do not have record investment in schools. You might like don't get me wrong, there is more money going into schools now But how much money was takeneth away? Yeah. You know, how much money did schools lose during austerity? How many playfields were sold off to balance schools budgets And they've never been replenished. I don't think I don't think she's an especially good education secretary. and I thought the criticism was so, so so bizarre from Gamy Bitnk. It sort of came out of nowhere U She did that after she went after Rach Reeves in her second question as well. She really And I started on the front bench for some reason Yeah, I thought that was Kemy Bade knox is very odd with her PMQs because she'll she'll have a really good and a leader of the opposition moment where she's done her constitutional duty of holding the government to account. like on Mandelson. For example, I think I thought she was very good. U and then she'll just do shit like this every couple of weeks and it's just like, what do you She has not come across particularly well to anyone. Stama came out to aboutat there. Following the conviction of former SMP Chief executive Peter Murow for embezzment, serious questions about governance and oversight remain unanswered. The Scottish Government is refusing to establish an inquiry despite clear public concern. The law does provide for UK inquiries into devolve matters where there is a wider public interest. So as the Prime Minister prepares to leave office, will he set up an inquiry with the powers needed so we can uncover the truth Well can I wish Scotland well as well in the upcoming match? and of course England in the third match, a little bit of last night, hopefully. But, on this question, it is really a serious set of questions that need to be answered by the SMP and the Government, and they simply refuse to do so. They call for transparency and accountable for everybody else, when they have giant questions of their own to answer Nothing to see here, don't want to know, don't want to have an inquiry. Totally the wrong approach. John D Monont there talking about the fall of Peter Murrell. That's a long sentence that, wasn't it? Yeah I saw a picture of the house the other day. Yeah saw the motor home. Like when Nicholas Durgegin was talking about it being a great winding driveway and you know being round the side of the house and not in plain view you can quite obviously see it from the road. I do think mean we really do need some more questions answered, don't we? I mean, like you know if they were estranged from each other during this period of time, then she needs to come out and say that Because it doesn't seem right, does it? You know don't get me wrong. I think that you can have I think that there can be There often is deception in marriages, right? Yeah that you know, you hear stories all the time about like number of years, say like a man has had a whole other secret family that like the wife hasn't known about that sort of thing. But this caravan was parked outside the house. Yeah. I mean When the second hairdryer appeared In fairness, a lot of those items like he bought Salt and pepper shakers, you would not assume the new set of salt and pepper shakers would cost hundredundreds of pounds. in fairness. Yeah, I think that's probably fair. there were a few of I think he's just he's clearly not well and there was some kind of compulsion or addiction to spending money there. because he was just buying silly things. He was buying tat. Yeah. I feel bad I feel I'm almost punching down about it something clearly has happened there in his personal life with, you know, Nicola because they're are they separated now legally or I'm not sure, but there's been something odd that's been going on with them for a number of years. mean this isn't like sort of the first time that eyebrows or questions have beenised about it. but I do think the call for a UK inquiry is quite interesting. Well, yeah, but I mean I think she probably you know, I don't know who's advising her, but I'm surprised that she's always been a very forthright person. so I'm confused as to why she It is appearing to almost cower at this time. You know, would you not want to come out and tell your side tell Jo God. Do you know who she actually went up in my estimations recently because she gave her an interview to Jack Rh who had gone ninety miles to York toiew see the original bit was she Yeah. but then it' clearly someone cocked and she gave him six minutes and I actually did respect that quite a lot That was good interview. you watched that on Twitter I don't know well