Social Media Influence and Vox Pops

Am I tough enough a strong and stable leadership? Total rubor. Hell yes, I'm tough enough. Shut French. Not another one. It's the politics show cast All right, I'm going to go rogue and I'm going to start with the green party. The Green Party have not been present in Makerfield Th is really battle at the beginning a battle of ideologies, which were should the Green Party stand aside in this by election, in order to have Andy Burnham elected, in order to not split the Labour vote against reform. and ensure that there's a delivery, a swift delivery of Andy Burnham into Parliament therefore he could challenge the Prime Mis. And you had these sort of these big voices on Twitter. So youve got Caroline Lucas, who's a green grandee who said we should not be signing a candidate. really came out the gates quickly. You also have people like Carol Volderman saying like do not standard candida. And there are a number of people who are upset within the Green Party because Green Party is a democratic party everyvery member gets to vote about whether they're going to stand a candidate or not It's not it's not a decision that individuals can make. Like Hanah Spener was getting a lot of stick at the beginning. She was getting a lot of comments on her Instagram posts, like, don't you dare stand a candidate? It's not to do with Hannah. Yeah. It is, but she gets one vote because she's one member but one vote. And also how the constituency strategy works is all down to the constituency members as well, right rather than being imposed from the central party. It's not as thoughZ Polansky turns around and says, rightight, we're going to bring everyone up from London. It's like on the request of the constituency partarty So It ends up being D I don't know, to know what? Do you think They would have had a chance. Do you think they would have split? the burn and vote significantly if they put all of their eggs into the Makerfield basket? No. I don't. Why I don't think is a green voting constituency I think that you're on the the south of Wigon It's a de industrialized town former Coal mining constituency, there are several sites. It's now a logistics constituency.. The sort of thing that it does it straddles the Msex And the biggest businesses there are Food distribution, clothing distribution It's a lot of warehouse constitu Warehouse constituency. I don't That's not to say that I don't think within a couple of years, could the more eco populist policies of the Green Party embed themselves in a constituency like that However, I would say I don't The campaign hasn't been rolled out enough there. You know, like if you look at, say the local elections and Reform one. a large swhee of that patch. Reform were quite ahead out of the gate campaigning up there. The Green Party is much smaller. they don't G goinging to the minuti very briefly, the Green Party because of the way that their donations work, they don't have the capital to spend in every single constituency at all times campaigning. So they are much more targeted. They go for targeted seats. For example, in the local elections, big spend in Hackney, which they won because They're looking at demographics rather than philosophy. Look, we could take this from labour. so let's put the money that we have there During those local elections, the spend wasn't put in Wigan. So they're already behind the curve. Reform have already been out on the doorstep. so it's battleground for them. J they've already shorered up, they've got people moving, d d. I'm not saying that they wouldn't be able to turn I'm not saying because that they work in logistics, they don't vot vote for the Green Party. I'm saying that that They haven't quite tailored how do green partarty politics work in a de industrialised town like Wiggan. They haven't quite worked out that formula yet so they're not ready We're going from a rolling start. Does that makeense? Yeah, yeah, yeah. but there's the other side of it is the kind of the left wing option to labor, right? That like you could have You may not have bedded yourself in as a viable option for Westminster in that constituency you would have done serious electoral damage to the Labour partarty and for Andy Burnnham's chances of getting in Had there also, I suppose we're probably gonna to talk about these as well, Restore at some point If the Greens ended up being the restore for the labor parody, it could have been a far more interesting race because we're polling what like ten, twelve percent Andy Burnhams polland like twelve percent higher than Rob Kenyan at the moment Um, So if there was an option within that, I mean, we've got We've got a vox pop from there going out today and it is very much. Anone that you speak to that's a reform voter is restore curious or switching to restore. And anyone who's Well anyone who's a burnham voter is either a die in the wall Labour Party member or someomeone who doesn't want the right to win in that constituency and would have liked to have a progressive alternative to labour. Well, they want change as well, and they're sort of hoping that Andy Burnham instills change I think it really is like a last ditch attempt It's like a last resuscitation of the Labour Party by a lot of people, I think this is. It's probably the last vote that people will es to the Labour Party and I think if Burnham doesn't change things dramatically We are on the March to reform of the next election. In the kind of the voter profile. Can I also just add Yeah ye. So one more quick thing example of spend, electoral canvassing spend, campaigning spend, Gorton and Denton. When the Green Party embarks on that, They were It came at a very opportune time Palansky had been in post for a couple of months. I think he would been in post for about three, four months at that point. They'd had these huge swathe of donations, a lot of members joining the party, donating to the party And they probably weren't like one hundred twenty thousand members then aroundound about And so they had this big influx of cash. and then that's why they could go out and spend and canvas properly and got an dent in. It came at a proper opportune time for them. and had it been that that had happened, say these two had swapped around, perhaps they would have put all of the spend in wigon. No they didn't. They put it into Gorton and Denton Yeah. And also the way that that constituency is laid out, the demographic of that, it's Manchester commommuter toown. Exactly. It's helpful for the Green Party to have Metropolitan adjacent constituents that they gravitate more Im to speaking rather than big village because that's essentially what Makerfield is It still just yeah, it's like a Hm Well because it's like you could be wiging, you could be towns, isn't she? She's always talking about tos Wh Lisa Andy. Yeah Towns of Wigen. Yeah, yeah, yeah the United States of Wiggan. But anyway, so that's what I was going to say that the spend went there and then they won. But the Manchester Mayorals is interesting, isn't it? about whether how much of a play the Greens will make for that I don't know what they're going to do, because they've got a tricky line because the Manchester mayor is also you know, in charge of the police and they have said some things about the police that may not be palatable for that role. When ift we be expecting that probably August around I don't know. If he was to get in, it would be August, right? because he doesn't he hasn't stood down yet, Burnham. He only stands down if he Wins it. I'll have to do some IFG reading and then come back and talk to you about that another time I think. But The thing I was interested in is the element of it that's How often do you have a by election where It's less to do with kind of because that's the thing with Josh Simondons, right? for the the ills and the controversies of him as a person whether it was Labour together or power of Stamers's government He was a very popular constituency MP. The the Makerfield voter is going to the polls for tomorrow is not for a replacement of a good constituency MP And they all are very aware. Even the labor voters seem to be incredibly aware but they're voting for who the next Prime minister is going to be but it's different. like they seem to have such There seems to be a divide between this thing of Well, Andy does well in Manchester, so I'd be happy for him to do well in Britain. and also look after us a little bit as well. And on the other side of the Labor vote It's Well, we're just being used for this Westminster psycho drama. Is he going to do what we expect him to do? He's done some good things in Manchester, but being a metro Mayor is different to being the prime Minister of a G seven country. What is Manchesterism? Yeah, exactly all of these things. What's stamerism? What's Manchesterism? Is it just like steel buildings with Wager mammas on the bottom of them? We already have them and one them. Yeah and what we've heard over and over again, which has been well, I mean, I think that the biggest thing that he'll push for is more power to devolved H. more empowerment to devolved Reions. Reions. that's the word I'm looking for So like metetro Mors have more which is Scotland and Wales Government have already embarked on that you look at like Tracy Braban in West Yorkshire, you know, she's got more powers and becausecause that's one of the biggest grievances is that from Westminster The traditional way of you were a constituency MP you came and you expressed the wills and the ills of your constituents to Parliament, and then you fought for better funding for your constituency. That has all gone in this sort of de facto presidential system that we currently exist in. And most of the time your MP just votes with the whip and you don't really get a look him Make fields an interesting one because it actually got quite large pride of place something Yeah And do you know what was funny? I'd read before I got up that people were annoyed that all that had happened really was that there'd just been a new pavement given to the Ashherton High Street.. And it was so funny when we got up there, I immediate went Oh new pavement. Yeah It was so jarring as well. It's like white and grreay. It's so jarring. It's awful Yeah. but I could see what they were doing. It was like about beautifying the high street of It makes sense. I mean, I like Pride and Place as a project Um time I think it was this is just an aside, but I think When it was announced, you're talking around the time of like the generics of the world talking about how like you go to High Street wherever Britain And you don't hear English being spoken or you don't see quote unquote English faces And then a couple of days later the Pride and Place funding comes out I think in principle, a good idea a sticking plaster on austerity probably more than anything else when you're like When you're a kid walking around the high street and you're like, well It's great that like, I'm not going to trip over the paving stones anymore. but be kind of nice to go to an after school club or kind of nice to go and play ping pong with the boys anducking But you w maybe they're getting to it, who knows? Do doesnn't know you the night But you know I know what you mean. The sort of the veneer is often quite grating, isn't it? Because you go, well, all right, put some makeup on the pig, but it's still a pig. Yeah, exactly. I tell you what was interesting about Makefill for me was I you're going to see this in another video that we've made. We've made a video about immigration and how much this in this election will be influenced by immigration The way that it's been written about The way that it's been campaigned about the way that people have been talking about on social media I thought I was going to go up there and it was going to be like Bangladesh. Like I It's a very, very white area It's incredibly incredibly so. yeah. And I know this is gonna to sound like a kind of I do not want this to sound like sneering or condescending or anything like that. but I genuinely did find myself going For an area that has made such a big issue out of immigration. I have only seen ite faces. And don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those people who's like, o, immigrants are Rony Brown. I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying that the people We spent a lot of time walking up and down those high streets. The people that we spoke to were like native Brit from there from from yeah from the area. And so I was just a bit confused about where this fear was coming from. But I'd spent a lot of time in Facebook groups before that reading up about HMOs And that is actually really interesting. We've talked about that with an independent counselor who's been knocking down, knocking back a lot of these planning applications and It is interesting so what the government seems to be doing or government kind of more local councils really, is there will be landlords who purchase these HMOs. So the government have reneged on conservative plans to put asylum seekers into say former army barracks or into hotels, you know, they have this bigger thing about closing the hotels And what's happened there is that when you close the hotels, the problem doesn't go away. The problem of having this long list of asylum seekers who are waiting to have there claims processed. they don't disappear. they have to be put somewhere else, they're being put into HMOs, which is homes of multiple occupations pcpy Ocu sorry occupy My mistakes, s right 's been a long day House of multiple occupancy And what's happening is that there are a number of landlords who are making quite a lot of money by buying property outside of say London where there is a high concentration or outside Sussex where there's a high concentration or Kent, and they are moving people from south to the north to go and live in these homes That is gaining a lot of traction and people are really angry about it. And I can see, I can understand why people are angry about it. It also feeds into the conspiracies around it when it's restore bit of like There is a consonsidered and meticulous project to displace the local population and it's being done by Puton. multiple families into this house next door to you with no consultation. Do you remember Down Grim said that he didn't know what the great replacement theory was? Yes, Yes. That was to Ed, was it? I can't remember. I think I'm. Anyway. The point being Yeah. We were talking about this on the way up And we were saying, one of the big issues with this is like You've got people who are coming from war torn countries Like you've got these men. who have come from, say, Sudan where there is a civil war where they have probably experienced horrors that neither you or I can dare to imagine and they likely have serious trauma and serious mental health issues Because you would Yeah, if you've just come out of a civil war. Yeah, right and they are being put into these homes in an area that they don't know with other men who similarly probably have these serious mental health issues. O streets that don't want them. On streets that don't want them and they are being left alone to their own devices for the majority of the time. They have barely any contact time whatsoever. They don't have this sort of light two hour mental health check in every single week, which is definitely what they need and It just seems so dangerous to me. It seems like one of those it seems like a problem for the government that they're trying to hide and they're trying to hide it in pockets around the country and leavees them to their own devices These people need they need to be like have their claims processed and then they need help. Yeah. they need help On the spreads they're not allowed to work either. They sit in these houses all day doing nothing and I'm not doing that from the sort of the No, of You're not allowed to work.re doing nothing.'re not allowed to to work And of all of the conversations we've been having at the moment about young people not going into work, one of the biggest things that the Secretary of state always says, Pat McFerden is it's really good for your mental health to go and work. You need to have work, to have purpose, that you're doing something with your day. They don't let these men do that, they have to languish in their home all day on like Under a hundred pounds a week, if they're lucky, some of them are around forty eight pounds a week. with other men with other mental health issues. It's a recipe for disaster. Well yeah, because then you hear from the quote unquote local population Well, I just see all of these men hanging around all day and you're like, well, yeah, Because they' they're in a four by four room with a bed and that's is. Of course you're going to leave the house if you've got nothing to do all day, you've only got a bit of contact in a week somebody from the States, but also The on the point of it you were making earlier about how homogeneous the community is in Makerfield Um I'm sorry,. Yeah. same it is and make her feel. Homogenous milk. Yeah Um, The The argument of moving people from high concentration areas to lower concentration areas where there's fewer asylum seekers, fewer migrants to kind of spread out the problem and not make it look like there's pockets of problems all over the country. When you get to somewhere like Makerfields, where you're talking like what ninety percent white Very recent migrations, you're talking things like Eastern European migrants in the early two thousands from the European Union Basically it's some pockets of like West African migration. They're all all right there, aren't they the EU migrants. Well this is the thing. That's what we always talk about is that there were times where people from Poland, from Lithuania were being demonized the same way the people from whether it's Sudan, whether it's whatever country that they're coming from and claiming asylum are being demonized now So there's always this cycle. always a cycle. they love it. move. But I think what's different now is that there's a more in very crude terms you can see when somebody's foreign you know With a Polish person, you couldn't really see the difference between a Polish person and an English person. I'm not sure if I agree with that. Do you not think so? No, I don't think so. Well, I think there's a bit more of a racist element to What I would say is I think that the way that the narrative is going, People are being encouraged to think that anyone who is not white is foreign Is that what you're trying to say? Yeah Okay. ye I think that there's a sort of that's what's dangerous about it. 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You actually are foreign You're more foreign than the people that these voters have a problem with. but they don't seem to have a problem with you.'ve got it must be cool for you. this is what I'm saying. That's in cycles, doesn't it? Yeah. there were times when our lot were the butt of the the newspaper headlines and the radio debates, you know. Yeah. Now I'm not saying that I lived through any of that, you know, but it's important to have some sort of Have you ever experienced some Irish Yeah xenophobia, really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Irishophobia Hybernhobia? I said xenophobia. Oh, did you? sorry Yeah, I used to work in a pub near a football stadium and the The Hooligans O the Hooligan element in the nineteen eighties were very anti Irish. and so there's like old boys that go to the pub that I used to work in There was an Irish pub by the way So everyone that worked there was Irish or in the early days, it was mostly Italian people that worked there. I was one of the few Irish bartenders Um If that team lost, I would get a lot of abuse for being Irish, I'd get like all of the slurs and like Well, you probably shouldn't have been playing on that team so poor. Well, yeah I mean, the slurs don't really do much to me because they're from, I don't know, there's just something about them that I don't really I couldn't act on them because I would have been fired if I was acting on them, right? But there was also It was near a Um Veterans barracks So a lot of old squadies would drink in the pub during the day. A lot of those old squadties had served in Northern Ireland and would relish in telling me the stories about how they killed Catholics when they were hauling. Yeah. I did that like how long was I there for likeike won't be laughing if Andy Bernon brings yeah slaps down Of course, he's Catholic, is he He's nevervtonan,n't?'d asse's Catholic But you know, if he slaps down that veteran's bill Oh yeah course. That would actually be a really interesting one to see what he's going to do about that because he is obviously more in tune with the cause of Hillsborough D most politicians? Yeah. A lot of politicians, especially the fresher ones, I don't think really understand How deep that upset from Hillsb and you know there's the clause in there about Pice should always be held accountable. Yeah By the way If Stalmer had actually I've actually got an interesting point here, sorry to deviate I'm going to come back to you said. Yeahah If Starmer had implemented the wishes of the Hillsborough group which was that the police should be held accountable for their actions while they're in service. So like if you know, which is what the problem was with Hillsborough, a lot of people couldn't have been yway. and What happened with Henry Novak would have been a very exllent outcome? Yeah. And I think about that a lot. I've been thking about I was actually away and then I thought at this point because I had politics live on the Monday but then the news moved. so I didnt quite Yeah, yeah, yeah. to do it. Where here's the platform. But just in fact it seemed bizarre to me. I was thinking this is This was this is starmarism becausecause he did that out of fear a faction would turn against him because he'd be holding police officers to account. Actually, if he just implemented that, he would have had this huge political win because those police officers It wouldn't have been that outcome. Yeah. you know what I mean? They would have found a way to make it about him anyway they But I'm just saying, you know, like if you'd actually just gone with his gut, which at one point in time was to do what the Hillsboro lot had, you know, She came out at Labor conference, one of the lead campaigners on that Hillsborough bill and said like StAM is going to put this through. And then they've been fighting for about a year, year and a half about the specific clause about the police and about whether they should be held accountable for It's sorry, the reason I was saying it was because it was about the veterans' bill Andy Byden very much in tune with the Hillsborough. cause I would be surprised if Andy Berham pushed that bill through Vveerans or Hillsborough to protect the knowing about the police officers and knowing that they should have been held accountable. That's that's where he stood at it What he would then think about Northern Ireland, people who served there If they had acted unlawfully, they should be held account to. I think it is to be where I imagine. Yeah, yeah, yeah I think I might be wrong here, but I think the Veterans Bill was expanded to include people that have served in recent wars as well a recent deployment have you not? Oh, you know, I don't I'm going go back to that. but I think It plays into this narrative of the labor partity, especially after the the defefense spending review of if you're going to go forward with the Vveterans bill And you're also going to have review that's so bad that people like John Healley and Al Karns resign You're not supportive of the welfare and security of this country whatsoever So it wouldn't surprise me for things like, but I also It wouldn't surprise me to see someone like Bernham roll back on the Veterans bill. That has already been roowed back on in the first place, by the way. the new bill is quite different to what the Northern Ireland bill was in the first place. But the idea, if they like If the British army We werere in Wigan in the nineteen seventies. and decided to indiscriminately shooter the miners that were protesting the closure of the mines and killed several of them own orders from their hier up. drawer across the United Kingdom Be it's Irish people because it's predominantly nationalist community Irish people that were killed by the British Army then for some reason There's a Well, we shouldn't really be holding these army officials to account. We shouldn't really They're all very old men. You can't be holding Be they were because you're going by the they're perceived as enemies of Britain They're British citizens. No, no, but but but yeah ye Like but this is what I'm saying. But this is what I'm saying. Yeah like I' Thatcher. Thatcher would have considered protesting minors as enemies of Britain. I'm right with you. It's insanity that there's a two tier system to this, but both of them are working class communities that were at the time when it came to Bloody Sunday, it was a civil rights movement for the right to vote and the right to housing and those people were killed by the British army, and now there's a conversation of, well, should they actually see justice? I'm not sure. You know It doesn't get a lot of pick upp really in the papers and I think that's why a lot of people don't It's not I think they'd be more uprow and more people know about it. Whenever I talk about this, like any of my English friends, when I tell them about like this bill. Yeah. peopleeople who want political at all will be like you joking that really? I mean, look, I've had've I've got family members who served, have served in the British Army and No and I V pretty good. You know, actually I might chat to them again. I think we chatted about it about a year ago. And you know, that they're you're caught between You are on orders from your higher up, right? And in that case, proven in a court of law the order came from someone higher up, you're not actually We're getting a bit too complicated here, but we're kind of straying. So I understand that argument that if you are in the line of battle and you have been told by your superior, you have to do this Fine. what we're talking about here in Northern Ireland is firstly those higher ups who gave that order. and secondly Themy the army, veterans who acted with impunity, who went above and beyond what was asked of them and did not act, I would argue, lawfully. You know, they weren't within the remit or the scope of what they were told to do. Yeah yeah yeah. And those people should be held to account. Well, it's like a multilayered thing. It's that the orders themselves could be argued to be unlawful then even within the remit of the orders There were people that went beyond what the orders were to do even more exactly. You know. And I there's a few very specific cases that are in the I think it's a consultation or whatever it was that they've done before hand. because I remember flicking through it There are I would argue quite clear and cut cases for people who not were they were acting with impunity. Well, there were also firsth accounts in one of the inquiry findings of first hand accounts of colleagues of accused army members that were going to be tried. if there was any grounds to be tried for what they had done on Bloody Sundaya Um And even their colleagues are saying these guys were like relishing in the idea of doing this or whatever it might be. But then you fast forward Wh are we now fifty years down the line And the conversations are less about the actions or the intent behind the actions, but the age of the people. You know, I not going to make any brash comparisons to anywhere else I do think it's insanity to turn around and say the people that indiscriminately killed civilians should get away with it just because they're old. They shouldn't. No, I completely agree with you on that. Be you wouldn't apply that sorry to do the sort of like They're allguing, I hate it. But you wouldn't have done that like during the Nuremberg trials. You wouldn't have been like, he's a bit old isn' he? Yeah. Well, that's exactly the one I wasn't going to compare it to. But didn', but I don't understand you know, I mean, you need to have like a one size fits all like you know morality argument. Exactly. It needs to be the same rules for everyone. Like I just think it's crazy. Anyway, we really deviated from that, didn't we? We did,, I don't even know anyway got onto that. store of batl it out I am increasingly interested and I actually spoke briefly about this Peter Gaggan this morning, and I'd like to talk to him again about it. in more depth, but I'm really interested in what result comes out about restore in this election because it would be so interesting to see how social media has influenced that? I mean, I am very skeptical. I would need to go and look at this in further detail, but I am very skeptical about the way that posts from the account that calls itself Rupert Low are inflated and pushed onto your feeds and the views and the numbers that they get Uh It doesn't quite tally, you know, and he's got this sort of very public relationship with the account that calls itself Elon Musk and That's how you would to phrase it. Yeah But you know, and they interact with each other and we know that there are a number of bots on Twitter on X I don't know if they're propping up these accounts, I don't know how it's working. but I'd be interested to see if it's all just sort of social media complays. This This is a hunch at the moment But I think it's a hunch on U some educated somewhat educated research. I don't think X is where All of that narrative is being spread I think it's Facebook You look at accounts like Rupert Low or accounts like Restore Britain on Facebook you would be baffled to see the reach that these accounts have on. That's what I'm saying. I think it's really yeah, it's interesting. And so like, yeah, there's the signal boosting and the kind of the fake interaction. That the account Ruperid Lowe and the account Elon Musk get on X and whether that's going to cut through J We all know someone over sixty that's eligible to vote and their only hobby is voting Yeah that uses Facebook religiously They're getting all of that content and they're consuming it on Facebook I am I also would like to add like social media is so interested because that triangle snooker club that we went to. And I've actually seen it posted on Twitter load like, o, Burnham's lost it because look, this reform post is outside the snooker Yeah he's lost the working man. Yeah. we went in there Nobody wanted to talk to us. No one even knew about politics. I said to or the by election, I said to these men like no one wanted to talk to us and that's like, That's fine. it was for the c stop. I friend the atmosphere. I recckommend if we weren't driving We would have sat down and had a beer in there. Yeah. It looked like a nice place for a pint. But I also was turned off of the idea from doing it because it was quite clear from when we were talking to these people that they didn't know who reform were or who Rob Kyan was. I mean, they had an idea but they didn't They did not They weren't actively engaged in it in the way that it has been portrayed. Yeah Like it's like, o, this is the snak club work that has decided the election. And you go inside there and no one seems to know anything about it. It was crazy. Yeah. And it didn't even seem like it was a case of Dot mean we We're a bit long in the tooth in terms of voxing at this point. You can get a vibe When someone says no to you There is either a no because I'm not politically active or savvy and I don't know the names and faces involved or a no because I don't want my views shared on your platform? And they usually talk to you anyway. They'll talk to off camer. Those boys were just kind of like I think him maybe. And then they would try out the back in there and then try out and smoking out And they were trying to be helpful. They were being, Oh, do you know anything about this? Do you know anything about this?es? He's like, why don't you try that guy at the bar? Try this guy. Some guy was coming in and they were like, Ohh, he might know something about it. Like they were trying to be helpful. Yeah, but it just it was very much like somebody I mean, as you said, how many boxes have we done in our time Before everyone else was doing them, we've been doing them for Oh yeah, a long time. This mic headad is famous. Yeah. You immediately know the difference between someone who doesn't want to talk to you and someone who doesn't know what they're talking about L, you know, It was very much a was I think the landlord just kided the place out. Do you know what kind of freaks me out a little bit. We have always done our boxes in line with broadcast code. which is we chat to people off camera to begin with. We ask them if they're comfortable going on camera. That has not been the case. Now that everyone's doing boxes, they're not doing it like that. And I don't know how people get It's such an infringement, I think on people's personal space to just shove a camera in their face and say, what do you think? Yeah, Especially if you're a large broadcaster as well. Yeah, you know, But they're all doing it now. And I really do think that Ocom needs to crack down on on that sort of thing, because I mean, we don't do release forms, we do like a permission on camera like Im But like even that, you know, if you talk to I would never been able to do that at my I wouldn't have been able to do that at the BBC. I'd have to get sign off. So it's kind of crazy that you Well, that's the thing I mean, a lot of the way because Cynic to our argument might turn around and say, Oh, well, you don't work there, you don't know what they do. You can tell by the way things are shop permission is not off. Yeah. basically we do this for a living.. We do this every day. But you can tell immediately shoving a camera in someone's face and saying, What do you think about this? don't I actually think it's I really don't like the style of it. I don't think it's a very comfortable I wouldn't I think that some people as well, like you've never been a on camera or don't know the platform that you're going to post on, I think that you need to be quite transparent with people about this is where it's going to go. And It's why I've never felt guilty if something has gone viral, because they've done because it's got it's all been explained to them. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Yeah It's not just been like we're posting this. And you know' There's been care. I knoworm we spend a lot of time as well being like, yeah, let get your phone out love It's got be on here. Yeah it And give it a subscribe. Thank you very much. good stuff. That's how we did it. All five hundred twenty thousand of them Another out the Instagram on instag. Right that'll do Yeah. seeee you on Friday where we talk about whatever iss going to happen