Future of Reform UK and Farage

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And Richard Osman, if someone is opening up to you, please accept that to them it is unbelievably real. Listen, wherever you get your podcasts . ACAS powers the world's top podcast s, including The Doctor's Kitchen . Happy Mom, happy baby. And the show you're listening to right now . Am I tough enough? A strong and stable leadership? Total Ruba? Hell yes, I'm tough enough. Shut French. Not another one. It's the politics show cast . Love podcasts hate nonsense Good afternoon, gentlemen. Hello . Sean Hicky. I feel like I'm the guy that doesn't speak on trigger gometry. Andy Twitch. I feel like I'm the guy that speaks on triggering . What am I then? They would be there. Yeah. Yeah . They're a transactor. For legal reasons, that was a joke. Yeah, oh god, they've really gone in on the trans stuff. Have you seen James Murray yesterday, the health secretary? Oh, what's that? Oh, boy, honestly , okay, right. Look, do you know what we're just going to get into it? So essentially James Murray had a couple of years ago said trans women are women and then he's now in an interview with GB News's Camilla Tomini, not Andy Twelves said that trans women aren't women . Irent. He's like , I'm thinking about it again. Didn't you do something like that on radio for when it was organized? I don't know, but I just find it really tiresome because to me it's just politicking, isn't it? It's like when it's convenient for you then you will be an ally and when it's not convenient you retract all of that. I mean, I mean it just really is tiresome, isn't it? You know what? Normally I would say it's a distraction from the real issues, but Camilla Tombey actually really surprisingly put a lot of scrutiny on Robert Jenrick . So normally I go, they're distracting from the big stories, but like they're not on this occasion. I'm not making a comment on the journalists. It is no it's her right as journalists to ask those questions. The thing that I find rather tiresome is they were really out of bat for trans women, trans men a couple of years ago and they have changed t ack now. And I just think, you know what? Like, okay, fine, change your position because it's not electorally favourable to you in your opinion now, but you know, it just shows that care. Yeah . Well, the other mad thing as well is I do think that there's always this conversation of being like, well, do you have any trans women in your life? And they're like, No, I don't. And it's like exactly because there really aren't very many in this country. So I don't know why you have to keep beating down on them all the time . Look, we're not actually here to talk about that. Well, you know who was being transvestigated over the weekend was Jude Bellingham? Oh, really? Yeah. I saw a couple of tweets that were like, this is I can't remember what the word they used was, but it was a word that I'd seen for the first time and it was like Judge you're playing like essentially playing like a little 'cause essentially he was too hot in a feminine way to be a man. It's very beautiful. He's got a deer on it. Yeah, he's he's beautiful. It' thes right thing, it's the right way to describe him. Like you had it more handsome. What was he playing just before? It was a couple of months ago and he completely threw the match. I think it was him because he did a bicycle kick and miss . It was all filmed . For Madrid fora England ? It might not have actually been him at all. Why am I thinking of Jude ? Score two goals last night? Actually wasn't him at all. Was it Daisen Mei to score in the second goal for Celtic in the old firm? The last old firm is anyway look, we're here to talk about six types. We're going to be talking about Nigel Farage. So Nigel Farage has denied that any rules were broken after benefits that were given to him by George Catrell Catrel Crow. How we say it? Cotrel Cotral I don't care. It's Cottle Catrell. I thought Cotrell gave it a bit more flair. Yeah, don't try it. No, but isn't he an aristocrat, so I would have thought it would have been yeah, that's true. He's born in mystique this guy. Was it you that was telling me the whole thing about Snob a word? No . Oh, have I got I think it was you telling me about snob and how it's been reappropriated by the upper classes. So a snob is an old timey word for an apprentice of someone who does a craft. And the aristocracy used to use that word to make fun of one another that if they were doing something lower than their class, they called them a snob. But then it went full circle within their dinner parities and tea parities that it then filtered their help and then help would then describe people that were acting above their station as snobs . And so it became a thing to describe somebody from an aristocratic background when in fact it was an apprentice. Hit that like button if you found that incredibly boring and I will ensure that it's like that was mad . I think it's interesting. So anyway, back to the actual the story of the day. So this is Gabriel Poggrins . He oversees the insight team at an investigation team at Sunday Times, incredible investigation. A Russian spy. Famously not a Russian spy despite some activists in the Labour Party hoping to pin him down as one . You know who else isn't a Russian spy? Me? I've heard Paul Halton. That's right, he's not either. No Patrick McGuire. Andrew Feinstein. Was Pat Maggie in that as well? But I tell you who has been talking to the Russians, allegedly, is Peter Mandelsen. That's right, yeah. Yeah. One of the greatest assets, I think was the quote, paraphrasing in the quote one of the sort of like when Prince Andrew was changing away to Epstein all the time and like Epstein probably couldn't believe his luck. I mean, he's like, can you believe this guy? He keeps wanting he keeps emailing me He's like, Hey, you might like this incredibly classified information. I know someone grew up in the gardens of Windsor. Like the Yeah, so like a fox. You can rent some of the old properties that are on Windsor . Like, you know, like they used to be like gardeners houses or whatever. You can rent those properties. And I was saying to them the other day, I was like, How mad is it that you were probably on the estate? The Windsor Estate Wildstein as a child, while Epstein was there. How mad is that? I mean , really is lock up your daughters, isn't it? You know what I mean? Genuinely, yeah. Yeah It's a big estate . It's passive because I think okay this is like a new thing I'm familiar with. I didn't like as I'm meeting new people and you know going up in the world I'm learning about these things but like people lived on the crown estate Anyway, look, that's really not what we had to talk about. I'm actually doing a veto now because you're both getting on my nerves. We are talking about Nigel Farage. You started that one. All right, so George Cotrell, or Cotrell, if you're that way inclined . He supplied support, including security and social media staff who worked on Farage's online content in the year before he was elected. Now that's important because the year prior you are meant to be declaring any donations that were given to you. If you are elected to parliament, it's so that the public can see if perhaps you might have been influenced by someone. If you've said that you're interested in becoming a politician, isn't that? Well, no, when you're in parliament, so you give the last year ? If there's any there's some phrasing I can't remember off the top of my head, but it's if there's any doubt. Because is that not the argument with the five million is that he didn't express interest in becoming this is different Yeah, the argument about both of them is that under the rules he thought that there was no doubt. So he didn't have to declare them That's his argument. Yes. So when MPs declare previous salaries from the year before the job they had before, it's a difficult argument to make. So he hadn't actually decided is part of his argument that he was going to run as an MP , he was on I'm a celebrity . But the clanger that was dropped yesterday evening by Gabriel Pogg, again of this parish story. Not Russia of the Russian parish , was that George Cottrell was using reform badges on his cards. So he was, you know, he was linking himself to the Reform Party . So that raises eyebrows of, well, this wasn't just a friend to you, this was a friend of the party. Also integral to this story is that Nigel Farage was honorary president of the Reform Party during this period of time. So it wasn't as if he really wasn't involved, you know , it wasn't like a kind of Mariah Carey, I don't know her. Yeah. Like yeah, he was very much . Do you remember that period? Yeah, where it was like this will they won't they of Richard Tys having launched this party that nobody was really jumping on board with and then eventually Farage just came and said get off the throne. It's my it's my thing. Two are arguably rather immense disappointments by some of the people who'd been working on the Brexit Party and its transition into the Reform Party at the time because Farage did come back as de facto kingmaker and it was like thanks for keeping the seat warm, get out . Yeah. Yeah. I'll run in the show now . But I think the way that Farage has been painting it makes it sound like he was no one had seen him for three and a half years and then they decided to return from the wilderness. Like he had a GB news show the entire time. But he had an LBC radio show before that. Like he wasn't not doing anything. He wasn't in the Himalayan mountains. Like he was a national figure for the entire time. He had been sacked from LBC, hadn't he? Yeah, and he gone, Gibbi. The beginning of the pandemic, I think, wasn't it yet? I don't know public knowledge, but I do know why. You know why too, surely? I don't know if this is public knowledge. I don't know if we can say can we? I don't think so. Well, I can allude to that . Okay . As I understand it , allegedly, possibly. Yeah, chuck in allegedly and were saying. It was during Black Lives Matter and there had been a company wide internal discussion around well I think around the company's general response to Black Lives Matter, I think it was like an Ask me anything . And there were a number of people who did not work at LBC , who worked at the other radio stations who had said that they were concerned about Farage. And I don't know if that was the eventual reason or if that was the reason that was given to him, but I do know that was happening concurrently. So I don't know if that influenced any of the any of the decision making, who knows ? I feel like he's more at home at GB News LBC. Did he start a no GB News wasn't it was just a GB lint in the eye of the machine. He did LBC for years . Yeah . I mean there's so many interesting cogs in this machine, isn't there? Yeah. You know, funnily enough, actually, so Labor had put out a press release yesterday and they were about banning foreign donations. So it's just sort of obviously this is not a foreign donation, but there's new rules that are going to make it more difficult if you are a foreign donor to a party that are going to be brought in and you know, among one of those is that you'll need to live in the country for a year. You can't move back to the country. And then immediately start ing deleting, donating. Yeah. Hobbin's registered on the electoral register in Harfordshire, I think very recently. So he's there we go. He's got around it. God Harbourne really wants to take my tie money. Take my bat take my bat take my tie . Why does he have a tie name? Is that just it's then you can get around paying extra tax if you're a tie? Oh, it's that? It's not just to sort of engrave himself. I think it's tie in for real. If you become a Thai citizen, then take a Thai name and there's like special privileges that you get financially. Really? Which I actually think is quite sick to have like your Thai name and your British name I think not to glaze the guy that's pretty cool. Do you know what someone someone out apropof nothing the other day tweeted me saying that I should anglicize Santina . I was like Devon. I was like why? Why? What the anglicized version was saying? Saints. Yeah, someone said like this, do you know that this is an Italian ? No, I was like yeah, I did, yeah Actually have you considered anglicizing that? That's I haven't . No , I think that would actually be quite. But you know what? St. Evans is a very good like I could see that person being like a forty year old year old Douglas what's his why is his name gone from my head now? What's his name? Douglas Douglas, what's his name? Murray? Douglas Murray. Ava St. Evans is the female Douglas Mur ray. What? Why? I don't know. It just has that like with saint, you don't say saint either you say sin, wouldn't you? Why? Why would you say that? When it's STURS I'm gonna put it I'm going to put it right back to anyway. Yeah, the topic is you keep doing this. You bring us on the tangent and then give out to us when we go on the tangent. I thought with you. I thought the most interesting thing. We join you on the journey . Anyone see that blimp yesterday? Yeah , unreal. By the way, if I am going to be interviewing one of the journalists shortly after this, so if you would like a more comprehensive overview of the Nitrogen Blimp has George Cottultlur Cal creatll, if you're that way inclined . You can go and watch that. That will be available on our YouTube. That's the real investigation, is it cultural catrel? That's why I was if you're that way inclined I thought on the business card, it was interesting that it had Nigel Farage's email. It like George Cotrell didn't have his own email. It was Nigel. Farrage at blah blah blah. They're letting anyone have an email these days aren't they? I thought that was quite indicative of the relationship between Cottrill and Farage. Like a lot has been said about it being a bizarre paternal almost paternal relationship. Apparently he calls him Daddy Farage . I think that is an interesting . What do you call him Andy? Nigel. Well, if you're that way inclined, yeah . I guess anyone ever been to Mistik ? Nah, no. It's Bob Ados, is it? Why would you ask me that question? What are you? Your foreign name Josh Babarinday, were Democrats , he has asked the Parliamentary Standards Commission to investigate. Now you'll remember if you can cast your mind back a couple of months. Yeah . He is already under investigation for a five million pound bun from a man with a tie name. For tax purposes, as Andrew here has already explained . This is really interesting and it was like a point I was trying to articulate this morning on politics live but didn't quite get the floor. I really felt like a bit of an appendage today. Really? I thought you did quite well. Oh, thank you ever so much. I think it was just because I was sweating a lot in that blazer. It was not working. I did think the blazer was a bolt choice, you know? Well, I was in a rush this morning. Anyway, and I put this outfit on I thought I can't wear this so I grabbed a blaze. Anyway, back on, but what I was going to say was so there are a lot of, you know , politicos, I hate that word so much. It's like the equivalent of foodie, isn't it? There are a lot of news foodies who are arguably celebrating that Nigel Farge could be suspended from the House of Commons if he is found to have violated any of the rules and not properly declared all of these donations . See, I think this is one of the best gifts you could give to Nigel Farrage. If he is suspended for the house long enough that a by election in Clact on would need to be called . He would leave. He'd probably go off to the US, he'd probably do the dinner party circuit. You know, after dinner speech circuit, a lot of former prime ministers do that. I'm not sure if anyone has actually booked Liz Truss, but she does give it a go. Seeing the numbers on her podcast? Are they good? Harrowing. Harrowingly bad. A couple of hundred views. Oh god, really? A good video is like three thousand views. Well, anyway , he wouldn't have to declare any of that. He could go off for two years , amass a lot of funding if he so chooses, he could come back a year before the election and he could say look, make me your prime minister and I'll never the, woke left will never be able to get me out ever again. Well, that's the difficulty with reform now, isn't it? I think there's they could have circled the carriages a lot earlier, but it seems like everyone's kind of on maneuvers at this point. People like Zia Yusuf, I think when we were up in Makerfield were being mentioned quite a bit at times record, he has not backed Nigel Farage. Yeah . But I mean, is it the other question is, is it someone like him that needs to be? He's not elected. He's their chairman of affairs. Oh, is he? Yeah, he's shadow shadow home secretary. But Shadow Home Secretary, that is sick, isn't it? I'm just saying electric sailing . Yeah. Like what am I our shadow secretary of state for Northern Ireland? Yeah, that'd be good. For Northern Ireland . Why don't yeah, I guess I could get a bigger one. There's only three of us here . Anybody going to show very soon. I saw a cracking little skit yesterday, this Belfast man and he was saying that he'd been carrying around an apple core for hours . Went up to a police officer and was like, Where are the bins? You want us to keep the underground tidy, there's no bins and the police officer was like 'cause you locked kept putting bombs and bins . The copper said that. Apparently, according to the skit. It's damn . I do, well, I won't I won't say what the emotion I feel is when I'm walking around Westminster I can't put things in pins, but I am often reminded that mad the tangible difference that you made Yeah. To this. If you ever find yourself walking around Westminster and you're carrying an empty bit of rubbish and you're like, throw it away. Think of Sean Hicky. Westminster. Me and my people today on the circle line entrance scopins. Yeah, but what color are the bags? Oh, they see through. They are Your university isn't just a degree, it's the start of your career. At the University of Law, you'll gain practical experience, learn in smaller groups, and get personalized support from people who know your name will help you build your CV, grow your network and connect with industry professionals. Add city centre campuses, flexible study options, and a burstary of up to one thousand five hundred pounds, and you've got a university built around your amb itions. Join the University of Law through Clearing. Your successful career starts here . Acast recommends . Hello, I'm John Robbins and I'm here to tell you about my podcast , how C do youope? Each week I speak to remarkable guests and ask them one simple question, How do you cope? I'll be speaking to the likes of Nish Kumar. Literally the night of Brexit. Somebody shouted You can go home. Kate Nash became famous. I don't even like that word. I'm still very uncomfortable with fame. And Richard Osman, if someone is opening up to you, please accept to them it is unbelievably real. Listen, wherever you get your podcasts . ACAS powers the world's top podcasts, including The Doctor's Kitchen. Happy Mum, happy baby. And the show you're listening to right now Mr Speaker, I am a gula. It's the politician show cast . I really do want to pull up Nigel Farage's Repost. I think it was Nigel. He's threatening to sue the Sunday Times. He is. And also, you know, suggesting that the Sunday Times or the Times is a paper that was loyal to the Labour Party. They supported Labour at the last election . Gabriel Pogrund, of course, is the journalist that revealed Lord Ali's suits . But also on that point, the son also backed labour at the last general election . Like one would hardly call the son a labour sporting newspaper. Yeah . Well at what point in time they were . Well, at one point in time they were a certain iteration of the Labour government. And I think that is actually probably the pause for thought. Yeah. You know, I love the idea of like Labour HQ and we got the sun. We got the sun Me and you did a nice little chat about Andy Burnham about whether he would go ahead with some of the Hillsborough bits . We did, yeah. Where is this? We wedded? Does anyone know where the statement is because it's a really enjoyable read? I don't know where the whole thing is. The BBC had bits of it earlier on . Labour inside is furious with me today again, so I spoke on politics live this morning and I said that it was in response to actually something that the Labour MP Allison had said I just said like look, you know, if you're going to talk about Nigel Farage and his donations and what was declared and what wasn't declared, then you don't really have a leg to stand on because you had donations that were not proper ly declared when you first came into office. Whenever you go out voxing and you talk to people and you say, What do you think of Kirstama during the time during that time where we weren't sure if Kirstara was going to stand down or not . Often you would hear the two greatest faults were the donations fuoree followed by the winter fuel payments. That's what people were most upset about. Voters were very upset about . Lab or need to have a clear out when Bernam comes in and say, You cannot accept don . And look, you can quantify. You can say it's very different to take five million pounds off of a crypto guy versus taking a couple of suits from ASOS off of the Lord Ali Can I just finish . The thing that I would just say , you shouldn't have to open it up to the forum and say, well, Ars was nowhere near as bad as this one . You need to have that equilibrium or that level playing field and just say no, we're not doing any of it. Does that make sense? Yeah . That's the interesting part about the whole the several Farage instances at this point is that his vot er base doesn't seem to be that they don't care that much about it. Well, we could find out . Well, exactly. But the animation that they had around the suits, about the glasses, about Stammer's wives dresses was magnitudes higher than what you're seeing at this point in time . And it seems to just be like silence from the reform party what they should do in future. Like there's a big question. You need this huge clear up because I also would remind you about the conservatives and what they were getting up to in the last couple of years of their administrations . You know, I mean you look back to what was going on with track and trace. You look at what was going on with the, you know, what was her name? Malone? Michelle Moon. Michelle Moon . Malone, Molly Malone is a sky news journalist who had nothing to do with that . Michelle Moon and what she was, you know, this sort of like contracts for mates and all of that. You cannot expect the public to take you seriously on a crackdown on this sort of behavior if you are not also whiter than white . Do you know what I mean? Yeah . You know, did you really need a couple of extra suits? No one else in the country can do that . Everyone should declare, if your mum buys you a suit, how did you do one? This is what I got for my birthday this year. I actually filled out my register of interest this morning. Oh , I did. Lobby. Because well, yeah, because my pass got stolen. My past didn't get stolen, but my bag got stolen when I was on holiday, so I'd go and get new pass today. And I had to refill out my register of interests. So I have to put down what I do outside of this work and who pays me for it and you have to write it all down . You have to do it. Yeah . So if I have to do that , you have to do it too. Did you have to write Xi Jinping in Chinese characters or in Rome? I'm just like vlosomya . Not hing no Russian interference there. Just this great guy just takes me out on a yarn. Yes, you made it Vlodemir, Kev in. Keith, I think you started all. Did you find I found the statement? Go on, please read it to us. I think we so we've got the two statesmans. Two statements. Statements? Spokesman for Nige Flar age said it comes as no surprise that the Sunday Times had chosen to publish this baseless and contrived story covering a period of time when Nigel Farage was not even an active politician let alone an elected one given that the newspaper backed the Labour Party at the last general election. Contrary to the story's tone, no parliamentary rules have been broken. We also understand that Sunday Times has a new podcast promote, which it seems very excited about. Its agenda should be plain for all to see. Mr. Farage said, I've done no wrongdoing, followed the rules, and I am now considering legal action against the Sunday Times. It's now clear the establishment will stop at nothing to hurt reform we want to smash their cozy consensus. I've heard nothing about this new podcast. It's with Steve Swimford and Laura Spirit and occasionally Patrick McGuire . It's on the it's, I don't think it's particularly new, I think it's been going for a couple of months. So when does New become old, you know ? I quite like this Leila Cullingham quote tweet, Dan Hodges . The reality is he's an excellent journalist, Gabriel Pogrund, not of the Russian parish , and he's exposed a relationship that is very toxic for Nigel and Reform . Layla Cunningham, who is she's a counselor, but I think she's not Counselor anymore, is she? But she is the reform candidate for London. twenty twenty . No, bloody hurd,le line them up. Line them up early lads. She's quote tweeted Excellent journalist question mark. If you openly despise the person you're reporting on, you're not an objective journalist. By definition, you're not an excellent one either. Andy Wigmores replied Spot on Shadow. It's great when you get all of your friends in the same room, isn't it? Yeah. How does she know? Giles Dilnot here 'cause for some fucking Oh, Giles Dilnot has defended. Gabriel Poggra tweeted in twenty sixteen, I despise Ferrari but you gotta give it to him. Him and UC made the referendum happen. Who did? Well, Poggrain did. Poggrin made the referendum happen. No, Poggin tweeted that he despised his rush, but he's got to admit it that Ferrari knew that referendum happen. That was what everyone did. Lara Spirit Spirit used to be a prominent. She was a OFC. Yeah, she was our future our choice. She went with Fem.my God who remembered? Who remembers Femmy? She was a prominent anti Brexit campaign. Yeah, with Will Dry Who Will Dry? Who remembers Will Dry ? Who remembers being an LBC producer during the Brexit years and our future, our choice were reliable. You could ring them up. Please could you come on and talk about why Brexit was bad? No problem. They're still doing that. Femi was on the other week. That's right . It was really good. That's another thing I wanted to talk about. So let's just slot a little quick clip in here of Robert Generick. This is him yesterday on Laura Koonsberg. Clear about some facts in this story here. Did Nigel Farage stay at that townhouse near Buckingham Palace, which costs thousands of pounds a month ? Well, just to be clear, George Cottrell is an old friend of Nigel Farage's. He did give support to Nigel before he was a member of Parliament . He hasn't done so since he became a member of Parliament. No rules have been broken whatsoever . This is basically a very old story that has been dredged up by the Sunday Times , which is a labour supporting newspaper in order to try and drag Nigel Down and you're not going to succeed. I'd like you to , so I enjoyed this because he must have such PTSD from the party gate days of having to say nothing was wrong with this . Like nothing went wrong . This is fine. This is fine. He says it's fine. Do you think that's why they put him up for the show? Because they were like, he's done this a million times before . Is it like a hazing ritual that like, but he's the only conservative the former conservative that seems to be put up for these things like you don't see Swell Bravaman a lot of media. Swella Bravan has put out a fantastic tweet this morning . So, you know, when it's just whenever they tweet, her ic, you don't see a lot from Nadam Zahowey, but when they tweet Catrail. The Dreams . Well, if you're that way inclined but oh, it was three days ago, I apologize, but this is really fun . Oh, actually even below that there's some real cracking anything she says well at Bravaman, okay? She's quote tweeted Labour failed to on it Labour failed to prepare for power amidst PM's former top eyed that would be Morgan McSweeny said that she's quote tweeted. They had fourteen years. Instead of preparing for power, they were more interested in campaigning to let foreign criminals stay in the country, stopping Brexit and dealing with their anti Semitism crisis. No wonder they didn't do any work for government. It's like Swella, han, like I just I really think being a member of the party that was like had the Liz Truss government quasi Kwarteng, one of the most disastrous chancell thisor as country has ever seen . Although he will contest that he did have the chance, did he? He didn't have the chance. He didn't have the chance to allow . Chatting . Nice one. Fuck me. Anyway, okay, great tweet three days ago. The British Empire did so much good for the world. Of course slavery was abhorrent, but to expect the British people to pay for the actions that took place in the eighteenth century has no basis in law. If government is seriously thinking about this, then former colonies should pay the British back for the considerable investment, effort and contribution that this country made, which laid the foundation for many flourishing democracies today. Jamaica thing. Reparity. Yeah, it's Belrabira Addy . But Jamaica taking the case for reparations to King Charles. I just there's something really funny about just being like the British Empire was great. The slavery was live the transatlantic stage of slave trade. Don't worry about that. We ended it. We ended it. It's sort of like I'd gone out with a friend who's recently moved to Dubai . They were back in the UK. Derogatory . And they were like, It's just amazing like the kind of like customer service you get out there. And it's like, well, because they'll be killed . They don't give it to you . I suppose, you know, yeah, that is the way to it is mad how quickly people otherwise woke people forget the origins of that kind of thing in Dubai when they live there for a little bit or just go on holiday there. You know, this is lovely. It's also cool. I refuse to act. Yeah, 'cause you're afraid to go. How was he gonna do? The train I don't think that's public. Flying , it is now aspirable. Do you do on ? Oh, I don't keep it private. I don't care. You can get the train to Dubai, I'm sure. I'm sure you probably can get the train to Dubai over the water Idiot, you get under the water. Eurostar. Eurosdo' nots gonna fucking oh yes, you're so right, the Qatar Express. Yeah. Yeah, you can go to fact. You know what you sound like right now? Do you remember Boris Johnson wanted to build a bridge in the Irish Sea? Yes. That was class. That would have been sick. Yeah . No, it was that is that still the Irish sea between Scotland and the North Yeah. It is still the Irish. What do you mean you think they've renamed it now since the Good Friday of I thought the Irish sea was just the bit? Yeah, would have called it the English if it was up to you . Can you get a train for ? I don't think you can, you know, I'm not sure do they I'm feeling very orient alist now. Can you get trains in Saudi Arabia? I'm not sure. I don't think you can. That would yeah, that's a Irish fuck. Okay, I'll yeah, you can't. I'll take you from here. Mefader Tain, Iraq, Oil, Ol London, Dubai. Old Lady He'll be down the old Chile later. Won't you? There is a whole. They were showing the England games at Old Chaley. Did you know that? Well, 'cause it's the only game on at two o'clock in the morning you'd have thought it'd been like Hush and Fain don't take their seats and we're not going to take the public attention So yeah, it's time you need to go to Catwick, Bro. I'm not going to get. Just me to read it and I briefly just talk about that SNP MP, Laura Burg, who bizarrely has two accents. Two accents. Yeah. I don't think it's that bad. She I thought she's a big moment deviation between the two though . Like I don't think it's that uncommon for people to have two accents. I think it's not is it because I'm thinking about my Nigerian friends say your Nigerian accent. No, but they would but they'd call it code switching. Yeah, it is when they're speaking to their mums. Yeah. I mean, we're going to split hairs about having a Polish English accent versus the Polish Scottish accent. I think we're I think you know kids are dying . Scottish accent is partial isn't it? Yeah. I can briefly just say can I briefly just say one of one of the defenders I knew it was over for her when her chief defender was the guy who said the guy who was like, It's not a castle. It's a fortified what was it ? Fortified house or something. Yeah , yeah. But like he all suddenly lived in one province. He honestly, that truly was one of the best days we found on Twitter in a really long time . Fortified house apps like that that sent me over the edge. I couldn't believe it. God forbid a man has a wall around his house. And then you know what? The worst part about that was like Harry Cole , political editor of the sun. No, no, it's large editor at large. Okay . He quot ed it or like replied to it, essentially being like, used to love hanging out with you and your family there. And this guy is just like, it's just a fortified house or whatever . And I write for Navara. And you've got like I did think it was quite funny for Harry Cole to just like, you know, steamroll in there and go like I used to love hanging out with you a lot when I was when you were kids and you'll film twice . Yeah. I like the phrase editor at large because there's a mispeat to it. No, no, no, I must speak to it as that he's like he's hiding and he could come out at any point . Like George Cottrell, if you're that way , if you're that way inclined, of course. I'm desperate to get one of those titles somewhere like writer at large or reporter at Lars. It just feels like nowhere. It's a little bit fat phobic, doesn't it? So a fucking monkey like this editor at large . A monkey on Twitter called me fat and the non on Twitter called me fat. A monkey on Twitter , a monkey on Twitter? He's a monkey. His name is Juice. He called me fat It was fat Juice, the monkey. No, Juice called me Jupiter's fat. Juice, the monkey called me This is Juice the monkey . Oh damn yeah , I has to guess. I'm not sure if a monkey tweeted that. It's gotta be like he's got a monkey profile picture. It's be fairy does have a monkey and he's got a monkey header. But that's a different species of monkey. That's an orangutan. That's just a painting of him from the back, mate. That's an orangutan. And then the other one is a chimpanzee. So there's two different factors on Twitter. He said, how much do you wait Pal? . Well , he's not he's not calming your fat at that stage, is he? He's tearing himself up through . What were we saying there? I is this I think good the cultural thing. Richard Tice really is going down the Lou Hay, like going down the Lou Hai's like Lu Hay with the phone . Because it's exactly the same thing. Lying to your insurance company about losing a phone is the haylo with the phone. I mean, you shouldn't really be lying to your insurance company about fuckin' fan. I don't care about the insurance company fuck themselves is not the same. But I would say, you know , the problem with the tit for tat of politicking . I mean I mean I also can I just can I just