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It's been more than thirty years since Pixar kicked off a historic run of animated features with Toy Story. And with Toy Story five in theaters, it seemed like a good time for your picks for the greatest Pixar films of all time . So we are revisiting our episode from last summer where we discussed the best of the best. I'm Stephen Thompson and today in this encore episode of NPR's pop culture happy hour, we are ranking the best pixar movies. Here to reveal the list is my co host Aisha Harris, hey, Aisha. Mike Was ki. I mean, hey Stephen You will forever be silly to my Mike Was ki . I love it. Thank you so much . So for those of you who didn't vote in our Pixar poll, a quick bit of background, we gave listeners a list of Pixar features , twenty eight of them in all prior to the release of Elio , and the chance to pick no more than three of them , which given the number of classic films was a tough task I personally counted seven films I wanted to put in my top three . So with that in mind, let's get to your top five, which thanks to a well placed tie is actually a top six. Ayisha, hit us with the first of our two fifth place finishers. Woo hoo . I was very happy to see especially one of these equiri in this tie here. The first is Toy Story, of course, the original version, which came out in nineteen ninety five, the movie that started it all are toy You weren't the real buzz lighter you're an action figure You are a child's play You are a sad , strange little man and you have my pity. And then tied with Toy Story, we have my personal favorite. The movie I think is actually the best pixar, which is Coco. One of those seven films in my top three for sure. I am so happy to see Coco in here, especially. I was not surprised to see Toy Story. I figured one of them at least was gonna make it in here. Look, this is the original. It's the one that a lot of people have a lot of nostalgia for Coco , I think it might be the best Pixar personally . You know, this is a movie that came out in twenty seventeen, so it's later later era P,ixar. But to me, it kind of has all the ingredients that we or at least I've come to love about Pixar movies. It's about family, of course, but it's a little bit more complicated than that. You've got Miguel voiced by Anthony Gonzalez who finds himself in the land of the dead and uncovers secrets and hidden meeting about his family . And it's about sort of the stories we tell ourselves and the ways that those things reverberate throughout generations. And it's beautiful. The music's great and that last scene . Rem ember me though I have to travel far. Rem ember me Each time you hear a second guitar . Oh my god One last scene with Mama Coco. Oh my goodness . Ugh, that scene especially where Miguel is singing, remember me to her her and recognizing it and being lucid for that brief amount of time. I rewatched it recently. Still a gut punch. I was bawling. I was bawling. Yeah, these are two very different films and they are two, I think, masterpieces. Yeah. Toy Story gets a ton of credit for being kind of the movie that started it all, and rightfully so , I don't think it gets enough credit for being the bedrock on which some of the best sequels ever made were built. Yeah. You know, when we talk about this poll, you know, this is not a super scientific poll. We gave everybody three votes . The Toy Story series is at a significant disadvantage compared to other sequelized Pixar movies because it has multiple films that could credibly be considered among the best animated films of all time. And so Toy Story One is splitting the vote with Toy Story two, which is actually my favorite Toy Story movie. Same too. Oh yay I was raised by collectors, so that film really resonated with me. Toy Story three is a deep sentimental favorite for a lot of people. Where these movies come out in the span of your life ends up being very significant to whether they're your favorite, I think Toy Story is a masterful film. It is funny, it is warm. Excuse me , I think the word you're searching for is space ranger. The word I'm searching for, I can't say because there's preschool toys present. It is laying all this groundwork for a bunch of magnificent sequels. In the case of Cocoa, and Coco is getting a sequel, I don't know if it really needs a sequel. It does not, it does not . But talk about an emotional gut punch, and we're gonna talk about a few other major like emotionally heavyweight pixar films Coco is talking about death and family and remembrance and the power of music and the way memory gets distorted and the way memory can form myth . There are so many big ideas in this film, but also Aisha, I don't think you've even mentioned how gorgeous. Oh my goodness cocoa is to look at The Land of the Dead is just such a visual feast. The fact that it's like this urban metropolis that is very vibrant and electric and the neon colors and just the way that everything looks. Like it is beautiful and even the skeletons that are taken from, you know, the classic day of the dead imagery , they have so much personality and warmth. They're dead characters, but they're alive. I think it's one of the most gorgeous, gorgeous Pixar movies ever. It's just it's top tier. It really is, and it also really felt lived in, it felt like it took this world seriously and made something that honored that tradition instead of just like using it for storytelling beats. I absolutely agree. And this is one of the movies that I always hold up when I'm talking about Disney slash picks or rem aking their films or reimagining their films and trying to like shoehorn in diversity or trying to correct for their past sins. And I'm just like, Coco was able to do that by creating a new , completely original story, while also being very respectful and very thoughtful about the way it employed all of that. So yeah, I'm just so happy to see both Toy Story and Coco make their way into this top five or top six. They are both correct answers. Yes. Hey, speaking of emotional gut punches, what do you got for number four? I feel as though listeners probably will not be at all surprised that this is in the top five . Often called one of the greatest opening sequences of a movie, especially an animated movie of all time, I think rightfully so. And that is up. Of course, that is the two thousand nine film starring Ed Asner as Carl, the old crotchety man who is harboring a lot of just grief for the loss of his wife. I always come back to that opening sequence , but I also think the rest of the movie is fun. Like it's hard, it's really hard. And we're going to talk about another movie. I think people will be able to guess . It also has an opening sequence that's very hard to live up to. I think this movie does a really good job of keeping the story interesting, even if it can't quite live up to the heights of the opening . But man, that opening sequence it's, I don't know, I don't have any words for it. It's just it still moves me. Aisha, I re watched the sequence the other day and of course just ball ed all over the place the way you did watching Cocoa . And what struck me rewatching it, you know, the way it lays out, you get this kind of news reel with like a bunch of exposition . And then you have eight and a half minutes , eight and a half perfectly scored minutes. You know, it starts out with dialogue and eventually goes wordless and you are just seeing the playing out of these two intertwined lives lives . But amid all of that emotion, it is really important to note this is, a fun movie . This is a funny movie. Squirrel my master made me this collar. He is a good and smart master and he made me this collar so that I may talk. Squirrel . The character of Doug , the sweet comic relief talking dog that understands dogs in a way that I think very few movies do. Yeah. There is a sweetness to this film. There's some deep messaging in this film not only about grief but about how you honor your loved ones by the way that you live your life going forward that I found enormously powerful . Genuinely when it came out and for a long time thereafter, I would say it was one of my favorite movies, period. Yeah. I really deeply love this film and think about how novel and what a huge risk it was to make inherent ly a kid friendly type animated movie an old person. And an old person as an action hero, an old person with an interior life, an old person with life ahead of him , an old person paying tribute to a loved one who has died, who is also a deeply fleshed out , warm character that you care about who has a presence throughout this film , this movie is such an object lesson in the fact that you can make a kids movie about almost anything if you have enough of an appreciation for the characters that you're talking about. Yeah. Ayisha, Up is not my number one favorite Pixar movie, but it is one that I feel really , really passionately about. And I'm so glad it made this list. Part of that sequence is we see that Carl and his wife were unable to conceive and it was, you know, it was devastating for them. But they still found ways to find happiness together. And I love that aspect of it. And then it connects to, you know, the present day when he meets Russell, who, you know, and in a way adopts adopts a child . Russell for assisting the elderly and for performing above and beyond the call of duty , I would like to award you the highest honor I can bestow . The Ellie Pedge . I concur, it's not necessarily my go to Pixar mov ie, but every once in a while it is nice to revisit it and nice to be surprised again at how masterful this movie is. So can't be mad about being in this top vibe. Not the Pixar movie with the best grasp of physics , but I'll allow it. It's okay . All right, I used to hit us with number three. All right, well number three is actually a movie that I realized I had not seen in like well over a decade, at least. In part because when it originally came out, I probably watched it so, so many times. It was just imprinted in my brain. That is finding Neemo from two thousand three . Albert Brooks voices Marlon, a clownfish who , again, talking about death and losing family members. He loses his wife. I guess are they married? I don't know. He loses his partner . They're fish. I don't know. I don't know that there was a legal ceremony. Maybe not, maybe not. But he loses her, but also all of their eggs that have not yet hatched except for one, and that is Nemoo, a viced by Alexander Gold. It's a story about over protective parenting, fear of your child's safety. Okay, I was right. You know what? We'll start school in a year or two. No, dad, just because you're scared of you. Literally you're not ready and you're not coming back until you are. You think you could do these things, but you just can't, Nemo . That, I think, is sort of a cross generational appeal that like you can kind of see in the earlier movies Monst,er Inc. also has a little bit of that as well. But I feel like this is the first movie where people were like, Yes, Pixar has tapped into this. Like this is for the parents just as much as it is for the kids. If not more, to be honest. Not more so. I'm happy to see it here. It holds up. It really does. It's got a great cast, and once again, Ayisha, you haven't yet acknowledged one of the things that really jumps out of this film, which is how it looks. It's beautiful, yes, it is beautiful. Gather around grandpa's knee and they'll tell you about what it was like to walk into a Costco or any store that sold TVs for about five years after finding Nemo came out . This was what you would see because if you wanted to show how beautiful a TV was capable of being , you would look at finding Memo to get that sense. This deep blue color palette, but then these exquisite colors on top of it . It's worth noting Ellen DeGeneres got Oscar Buzz. Yes. I remember that for her performance as Dori. And it was real Oscar Buzz. She didn't get nominated , but it was talked about as why not? Why wouldn't you fringe? I shall call him squishy and he shall be mine and he shall be my squishy. Come here squishy. Come here little squishy. Give me a dead 's a jellyfish. Bad squishy. Rad squishy. Elder Brooks is so good in this and bringing so much pathos. I'm going to come back to this point at least one more time in this conversation . Where you are in your life when you receive a Pixar mov ie is going to be very important to how you perceive it and how you rank it. And finding Nemo came out in two thousand three in between my first child and my second child and thinking about that feeling of needing to protect a fragile being that is your responsibility , this movie hit very hard and it hit hard at the same time that it has this goofy surfer stoner turtle character and the emotional support group for sharks who don't want to feed . shark, not a mindless eating machine. If I am to change this image , I must first change myself. Fish are friends, not food. So many sweet, funny characters. There's just a little fish where they're describing their different melodies and one of them just says I'm obnoxious . I'm obnoxious should have been a greater catchphrase than it was. This film gave and gave, I don't think it's aged . I love it. Yeah, just keep swimming, just keep swimming. Part of my vocabulary for a very long time. When life gets you down, you know what you gotta do. I don't wanna know what you gotta do. Just keep swimming, just keep swimming, just keep swim ming, swimming, swimming. What do we do? That's actually really good advice. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yes. Finding Nemo so good. I was fifteen when this movie came out, so. So you know, I was not a child, but I was also not, I don't know, too cool. Like if you're too cool for Pixar, don't hang out with me. Yeah. That's true. Ayisha, I think you and I are of one mind on this one . I'm very intrigued to discuss it with you. Number two is all right, well we might have to reign on some parades. Number two is no surprise, I think. No, I'm not surprised by it. Wallie. Yes, it's Wallie. Let's just get right to it. This is the other movie. I think when people think of Pixar and think of great opening sequences , this is the movie everyone thinks of. Of course, you've got Wally voiced by Ben Burt. He is the last remaining robot on Earth after everyone, all the humans have left because climate change, they ruined the Earth. It's very , it's very poignant. And then of course you have this amazing sequence of just being with this robot and he has sentients . And it's just beautiful. And then you get the rest of the movie when we go to see the humans . And it's such a precipitous drop in my opinion. To be fair to this film, unlike Up, what people talk about when they talk about Up is often a sequence of about eight and a half minutes. Sure. In the case of Walli, it is a much longer sequence. Yes. It basically plays out as a masterful , silent film. Mostly wordless. Largely wordless, in which this little robot kind of moves through the world and is like still kind of is very dutiful. It's still like doing the tasks it was assigned to do , but it has such life and such personality Rally . It's a short film. It's an excellent short film. If it were just a short film, it would be like one of the best short films I've ever seen . I do not want to reign on the parade of how brilliant that movie is until the moment the rocket takes off with a little robot attached to it . And as soon as it goes into space , it becomes not only a fairly rot Pixar quest epic , but it is also Ayisha, it is so deeply cynical humanity in ways that I found shocking . It's not just like I can't handle the fact that it's this scathing indictment of humanity's worst excesses . It's a more cynical than accurate view of what humanity is capable of. Well, also so much of that the criticism coming from within the movie hinges on this idea that being fat is like the worst thing in the world. It's very kind of queasy to watch to be honest. Yeah, and it's played for laughs, but it's also just like it's also, you know, I mentioned the physics and up . And it's also a complete cop out. Like the world is not suddenly inhab itable . It's just to me, it's like they made a perfect short film , but then crafted a best kind of C plus Pixar quest to the back of it and it just loses everything that's so magical about how it starts. Yeah , I mean, here's the thing. Obviously a lot of people disagree with us because I know we're going to get so much . It's shot number two and it is the first pixar movie to be entered into the Criterion collection. So like my God It has its fans and it has its defenders. In some ways it's the artist Pixar movie, right? It is the artiest in the Criter ian fanboy film bro way. And I say this is someone who can absolutely play into all of those stereotypes. Without film bro, a lot of people. Sure. And yes, and look, I can hear them are listen ers typing now and being like, how dare you ask me? But I also I understand why people gravitate toward it. I think there are other movies that they may not come to the highest height of Wally, but as a full picture execution of a story, you're not gonna convince me that Wally is one of the top tier pixars outside of that opening sequence. Sorry , not sorry. All right, well that's Wally at number two. After the break, we will reveal the number one pick, which by the way is my favorite Pixar movie. So stick around. Welcome back , Aisha. I am so happy with our listeners right now because they picked my favorite Pixar movie at number one. The good dinosaur. The good dinosaur is give us a pick It is, of course , inside out. Do you ever look at someone and wonder what is going on inside their head? Well, I know . I know Riley's head. I mean, duh, right ? Yeah . Even if it's not my personal favorite, it's definitely in my top three. And it is definitely , I remember when this movie came out in twenty fifteen , it made so many critics top, ten lists , but it wasn't just a critical hit. It was every audience person I talked to connected with it. And I back to watching that movie and feeling as though I had been seen . I could remember being that age, the same ages as Riley and feeling all those feelings and talk about execution and big sw ing. Like this is this is not it's not necessarily a wholly original concept when it came out of a lot of people talked about Hermann's head and how this sort of concept has been explored before , but to do so in a movie directed at children and this idea of what happens when you're no longer an innocent child who may be shielded from the world in that first encounter with all these other feelings and Amy Pollar as joy and trying to protect that. She's kind of the woody of this movie. She is the one who's trying to keep the gang together. I get it. You guys have concerns, but we've been through worse. Tell you what, let's make a list of all the things Riley should be happy about. She's trying to hold everything together. But she can't and learning to accept that in the same way that Woody has to learn to accept that Andy cannot always be his person . Oh man. And of course, I will say, it looks beautiful, it's gorgeous, amazing, but also bing bong. Yeah , but we have not said the words Richard Kind in the Richard Kind iest Performance ever committed to screens . Shapewise, I'm part cat, part elephant, part dolphin. Dolphin? You gotta remember when Riley was three, animals were all the rage. The cow goes moon. The horse goes nay. That's all people talked about back then. Yeah, yeah. Oh, bing bong. Just the idea of losing that creative spark that im,agination , the imaginary front like, oh my goodness. That sense of what you let go when you grow up, that the sense of imagination that you are not going to be able to access again and creating a sense of melancholy in a young audience that isn't just like making them sad to make them sad. It's making them sad in ways that introduce them to the workings of their brain . And we haven't mentioned Phillis Smith from the office as sadness . Part of what is so great about Inside Out is it's not just about finding balance among our different emotions . It's about finding strength from our different emotions. It's finding strength from darkness , it's finding strength from sadness. It's understanding that all of these things have to work together and they're all there to regulate something . They're all there to make our brains work in the best possible way . I just think, like, what an incredibly valuable lesson this film put out there kind of like finding Demo, not only for kids but also for their parents. You need me to be happy , but I want my old friends and my hockey team . I want to go home Please don't be mad. I took my eleven year old daughter to the screening in twenty fifteen and an absolute wreck . And I really felt like we were sitting there understanding each other a little bit. Yeah. And so this movie came out at a perfect time in my life, a perfect time in her life . I think it is an absolute masterpiece. There is one scene in this film I hate we know we all know. We talked about it many times, but please please remind listeners who may not may not know where this is going. At one point, we get the parents' emotions . The mom's emotions are like a panel on the view and dad's emotions are just trying to watch the hockey game. Uh oh. She's looking at us What did she say? Well, oh sorry, sir. No one was listening. Is it garbage night? We left the toilet seat up. What? What is it woman? What? He's making that so irritating Steve Steven tabing into his disgust . Yes it did. My disgust, my little disgust goblin got very , very, very sick during that scene, but look, it delighted a lot of people. I'm not, I'm not here to yuck anybody's yum . That scene just made me very mad . It's like two minutes I would have exised from what was otherwise to me a perfect film. Yes. So those are the six top vote getters. I'm guessing just in terms of sheer odds that there is a very strong possibility that we did not get to your favorite Pixar movie today . I mean the Incredibles and Monsters Inc. were in the top ten but not the top five . Ratatouille didn't quite make the cut. There are some other truly great pixar movies that did not make the cut. I was sad not to see turning red, which is one of my which is one of my favorite pixar movies. S and S,an. We have the full list over on our letterboxed page. You can find that at letterboxed. com slash NPR pop culture. We'll have a link to that in our episode description so you can kind of pour over what our listeners did and didn't get right. That brings us to the end of our show. Ayisha Harris, thanks so much for being here. You have saved our lives. We are eternally grateful. Ah , thank you, Stephen. This episode was produced by Liz Metzker, Huffsophathama, and Mike Katziff and edited by our showrunner Jessica Reedy. Hello Come in provides our theme music. Thank you for listening to Pop Culture Happy Hour from NPR. I'm Steven Thompson and we will see you all next time .