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Now let's catch up to that truck . Welcome to primary technology the show about the tech news that matters. Lots news this week. Apple just raised a ton of prices across their product line. We're going to get into that. The slate truck and EV under thirty grand the preers are or outd. Meta has made new glasses and spoiler actually bought some. The steam console is out there. It's pretty expensive. Open AI made it chip, new things coming out for Iowa twenty seven, TVOS, Instagram's trying to get on TV's and we're going to do a little follow up on the UK social media band. This episode is brought to you by Framer, co pilot money, Nord Layer and Youth, the members who support us directly. One of your host Steven Robo has joined, as always by my friend Jason Aiden. How's it going Jason? I'm good. I'm not even cranky yet. Not even cranky. Look at the rundown, it's pretty sure that it will be at some point. It's coming. Do you know I try to do it in a voice? Do you know what movie I said? Let's catch up to that truck. You know what movie that's from? Well, I think it would have gotten it anyway. Okay, okay. I'm almost sure it's from the original Toy Story. That's exactly right. And I was the fun fact, fun trivia . There's only one human being that Steven and I have both interviewed but not together. That is true. That is true. He was partially responsible for making that movie. He didn't literally make that one, but I don't know, but we have both interviewed Ed Caple, co founder of Pixar. Yep, separately on partially defunct podcast . Mine is coming back to have a good time to have a series of interviews lined up. Okay, good. I'm just going to shorter seasons than we originally talked about . Okay, very good. We're excited to see you come back. I'm also excited because our medieval night riding the polar bear has made it around the world, ladies and gentlemen. Now we don't have any five star review shout outs, and please help us correct this. Help us get to five hundred reviews in Apple Podcasts. Leave us a five star rating and review there. But we want to share all the exciting places our medieval knight has made it. He's made it to Asia, South America, Australia. Here's Daniel in Hong Kong . Medieval Knight made it over there. Also, we have our friend Aaron who makes great apps like Home Pass and Home Paper. Primary Tech made it to New Zealand. Also a beautiful photo. I would love to go to New Zealand one day. See all the Lord of the Rings stuff. Have you ever been? To New Zealand? I have not. My parents have been there but I have not. It would be fun. I just want to fly a helicopter over the mountains where they film those scenes. Exactly. That's what I'm saying. That. So anyway, thank you for that. So we're in New Zealand, also carpic in India got the Medieval Knight there. I think he got it on his fridge. I don't know what kind of what magic he's using over there to get the pin so it's not stabbing maybe he just stabbed it right in the fridge. I don't even know but thank you for that. It's over in Ind ia and we made it to South America . We have Emmanuel from Buenos Aires, Argentina said hi to Jason. So hey Jason from Emanuel. But he has pictures here, which is wonderful. Medieval Night near the obelisk in Buenos Aires. I'm not sure what that landmark is. I don't know. It's his famous landmark. But here is he has the pen right there. Very fun . And I saw that picture. I just assumed it was Washington DC . No , no, it is not. It is Buenos Aires . And then Andrew is in Japan. And so the Medieval Night, this is Okinawa riding in Okinawa and then we also have right here riding the train from Iroshima to Kyoto. Our medieval night with the polar bear is there. So around we're on all the continents now were everywhere . Also Ross from North Carolina added us to his bag of pins. I wonder if he's a Star Trek fan. Spoiler's a lot of star trek. It seems like it's possible. I think so, which is wonderful. So we've now officially made it to every continent except I know this is a stretch goal, but Antarctica. Listen, if your neighbor is going on a cruise to Antarctica, your relatives, your aunt, uncle, your grandma, grandpa, let us know. I'll send you a bunch of pins and they can bring it down there. We're on all the continents except there. We'll get there. Yeah. I mean, and if you just tapin' across the YouTube video of someone who's going, let us know. Steven has connections, YouTube. They do . It's fine. Cleo Abram, she was already there , but if she goes again, I mean I'll send her pence. Maybe we could get Joanna Stern to take robot for her. Oh yeah, I also want to have her on the show. She said she will come on the show, but she's doing a book tour right now. She's kind of a big deal. This would be a good place for her to do a book tour. When let her talk about her book. I read her book and she signed the book. I brought on the book. She has autographed the book, which was super fun. I was kind of like a crazy person. I was looking for her everywhere and I carried the book everywhere around WW DC . And I was always like, where she had because it was like the media breakfast and I was like, oh, maybe she'll come here. She didn't come there, spoiler. And I was like, Oh, I'm going to miss her because I was like, if I don't see her on keynote day, I'm probably just gonna miss her entirely. And the tech talk happened right after the keynote. And last year that's when I took my selfie with her because after the keynote people hang around a little bit, but because there was the tech talk immediately after everyone dissipated , I saw her at the Tche Tal ink the back of the room sitting next to Neli Patel, as you do. And I'm like, Well, I can't get up during the tech talk. And when the tech talk ended, everybody ran out of the room. So I was like, I don't know if I'm seeer. And then I was outside the visitor center at Apple Park and I was with Andrew Cl are, YouTube creator, great friend. It was his first time. And I had asked him earlier, I was like, Listen, if you see Joanna Starning, please let me know. Just want to get her sign my book. And we were just sitting there, I was making videos and he was like, Hey, isn't that Joanna Stern? And she was walking across a visitor center and I ran like a crazy person. If she had security, I would have been tackled . But she signed the book. She's signed the book. So that was fun. All right, breaking news. This is actually the first time we've ever done this recorded, a segment to insert because news broke while we were recording the full episode. But Apple just increased a bunch of prices . And later in the episode we're going to talk about how Tim Cook said they were raising. Well, now we're recording that they actually have raised. Everything's updated on their website. I'll link this nine to five Mac article with all the price increases. Everything from the MacBook Neo, which is one hundred dollars more expensive, MacBook Air is two hundred dollars more expensive. MacBook P three hundred dollars more expensive all the way up to the Mac Studio, which is five hundred dollars more expensive or thirteen hundred dollars more for the M three Ultra . It happened. Everything's my iPad s too. A lot of the iPads are the Air one hundred and fifty dollars more expensive, the pros are two hundred dollars more expensive. And one of the most egregious, I think , the Apple TV four K , which has not been updated in forever is two hundred dollars for the base model, no ethernet , and the ethernet version is two hundred and fifty dollars . Same chips, same memory. What do they do? Oh, there's more storage because there's more stor age. There's one hundred and twenty eight gigs instead of sixty four. This is a lot of price increases, Jason. Yeah, okay, a couple things. First, I'm going to just say this. If you're listening to this, you should stop and you should go to amazon com dot if you need any of these things because I just was checking prices and like the MacBook Air is still nine forty nine . There was another one oh the iPad mini is still three hundred ninety nine you buy you buy four of those please. I'm just saying so second thing I will say is I'm pretty sure that you and I had this whole conversation about well it's going to be in the future , right? But we're recording this in the future inserted into the past. And what we said, you asked me, Dude, I think they would do it in advance? And I said, Yes, so I'm going to take my being right points now that you were right about later . So you predicted it for be like, when you hear me say that you're going to think I obviously already knew, but we did not know at the time that this was is what going to happen. We literally pushed stop on the recording and I saw like what? And I had to go in and let someone in the house and then use the bathroom and come back and record another segment . Oh , now is the time yeah, if you need something , I'll get it on Amazon. Literally run to Amazon I cannot I mean , the funny thing is like I'm sure that they're gonna keep these prices for now because they're like prime sales and they already have these things . Although what was the price three hundred ninety nine cents for the mini because right now it's four ninety nine cents. On Amazon? Yeah . Then that went up because it was three ninety nine y doesllarsterday. It's four ninety nine cents right now, but it's gone up. That's because the list price is five dollars ninety nine cents which is so they've adjusted their sale price. So I imagine the MacBook Era, unfortunately by the time you hear this may have already changed as well. So wow. Which of these do you think is the biggest studio? Because no offense, like this Max studio doesn't matter. Let's just be honest. It just matters. No, that doesn't matter. The sixteenth Mac McCro ck also doesn't matter. I mean, that's a lot of money. five hundred dollars is a huge increase for the sixteen in MacBook Pro, which is actually kind of weird because does the base MacBook Pro come with more of anything than the base MacBook or fourteen inch MacBook P ro. I thought it all came with one terabyte drives. And maybe the memory's different. Oh, can you know why? Because the fourteen inch MacBook Pro comes with just the M five. The sixteen inch comes with the M five Pro. Yeah. That's gotta be the reason why . So oh my goodness, I feel like a sinking feeling. I don't know why. I don't need to buy anything right now. I'm really , really glad we bought our daughter Mac here already. Yeah, and I bought Muslim the Magmook Pro. So if you're gonna get a thirteen inch MacBook Air, it is two hundred dollars more expensive on the base model. I don't know how the configurator works out, but if you wanted to get twenty four gigs of memory and a two terabyte hard drive in a MacBook Air. You're looking at twenty three hundred dollars . Yikes. So Amazon has a twenty four gig of memory , one terabyte, M five, thirteen inch MacBook Care for thirteen eighty seven . So you can get it right now for four hundred dollars less on Amazon right now. I'm thinking about buying M five MacBook Care just because I'm like, I don't know . Well , yeah, I mean the MacBook Air is twelve ninety nine starting. And at this point you can buy a thirteen inch with sixteen gigs five hundred twel andve for nine hundred forty and nine dollars. So you should buy four of them . Listen, if you needed Apple , if you were also like college season, man, they did this before everybody went to college, Jason . Yeah, which maybe they were hoping that everybody did that, but you know, they run their back to school deals like in August and they never have sales. They just give away gift cards when you buy an education discount and man stuff's expensive. The iPad, I'm surprised at the iPad, but notably iPhone is untouched . So iPhone pricing has stayed the same. You can get an iPhone seventeen for seven hundred ninety nine . And yeah, that part is surprising I was pretty sure that they would raise that mid cycle because they when they introduced a new one, they would want it to be the same price . So do you think that this means that they're not going to raise that price ? I don't know. I think if they announce the ultra the folding iPhone, it's probably three thousand dollars now. They'll just get their margins there. Yeah, but like six people are gonna buy that. Well, no, all of us , all of the , not you, but all of us YouTubers, whatever. Bying that thing. Home pod Homepod, Jason, the homepod is fifty dollars more expensive. Homepod mini is no longer ninety nine dollars , it's one hundred and twenty nine dollars . Vision Pro, Jason, is two hundred dollars more . Sheesh . I don't even know what that's crazy. Yeah, everything about this is like we knew it was coming. The amounts are actually not surprising even though they're shocking or is it the other way or they're not shocking even though they're surprised I don't know We knew this was happening. Seeing it actually happened though I just like literally texted three people and it was like hey, I think, you might have been in the market for some stuff. You should go right now to Amazon and just buy whatever's in stock because by this afternoon. My guess is that's going to have changed. And again, this is not the end of the world and it is not surprising. I think I heard the interesting conversation about like Apple just held on as long as they possibly could. Do you think it's because they thought it would resolve itself? And they were just hoping to ride it out and then they got to the end of it? Or do you think this is like no, we knew we were going to do this. We waited as long as we can, but we should do it now before the new guy gets in charge. Oh maybe both things . Try to hold out. If they're going to have to do it, do it before John Turners comes in so everybody can blame Cook. Apple stock did take a hit as soon as all this stuff was announced . And I just, but here's the thing , they're probably never gonna go down again You will never probably be able to buy MacBook Air for nine ninety nine ever again . I think there's a possibility , Apple's stock is down a significant amount right now. A decent amount a decent amount. I mean, I don't I only like one chair and it's because of the paper certificate. I'm not lamenting my stock portfolio. Actually, I may own more. I don't know because it's in mutual. It's a text or whatever. But here's the chart if anyone's wondering. But it is definitely a significant like thing because the stock market is saying is Apple's going to sell fewer things right because prices are higher. Now Apple's going to make more money because prices are higher. That's like, oh no, this is the impact of it. And if they're doing it now, that probably tells us something about their next earnings the impact of the memory prices. So I don't know. I just think it's an inevitable thing . Do I think prices will come back down . Hm , that's a fair question. If anything, like I could see if the prices of RAM even out like the MacBook Neo and maybe the Air coming back down or they find a way to bring up the base memory to twenty four gigs in the M six version or something. Do you know what I mean? Like the way they do that sort of thing? So there was a statement they gave to Reuters today . They said, quote, We have never seen a component price increase this much this quickly. We have shielded our customers from these increases so far, but we have now reached a point where we need to begin raising prices on a number of products, including today's increases for iPad and Mac . We know this is not welcome news , and we are working tirelessly to find solutions . That makes it seems like they are working to possibly bring those prices back down one day . Maybe I would imagine that Apple does not , I mean, they are premium brand, but like they do not want to be starting the MacBook Pro five hundred dollars more than it was yesterday this morning. No, and the MacBook Neo was like the biggest news for half of the year and to raise that one hundred dollars , you know, it kind of stinks because then the touch ID version is going to be even more expensive, but yeah, it's gonna be tough. Charging that much for an Apple TV four K though, that might be a crime. Is that the one that you think is probably the most egregious? I mean, especially for a four year old device seventy dollars . That is like sixty some percent . This one what' Is'm saying percentage of us. And it has not been updated in one thousand three hundred and forty six days. So I went to the Macroomers buying guide site. It was released in october twenty twenty two . A four year old device to then charge two hundred fif andty dollars if you want ether net . No, Apple, of all the devices, should have left that alone. I think that you're right. That's probably the most egregious because even a thirty dollars increase on the home button. But it's because the Apple TV has what thirty two gigs of storage or six sixty ty four twenty eight for the Ethernet. That's why I know, but the Homepod HomePod Mini's not been updated. It's for two thousand eighty one days. It is six years old . Cambridge. Well, the Homepod itself . What memory is even in there? There's nothing in there. I know. It's really yeah. And the IMac, the base IMAC, which is like , it's fine, but it's like fifteen hundred dollars for a base iMac. Listen, for real, if you needed a computer, if you were going to buy your kid a computer for school this year, run to Amazon right now. I'll put my affiliate link in the show notes. No, but don't even care about the affiliate link, just go buy it before Amazon raises the prices because this is nuts. And this has been a breaking news segment of primary technology record efforts. You're gonna hear us later talking the show about I wonder when they're going to raise prices. Guess what? We know You already heard that chapter. You can skip it. I'm going to keep this in this show, but I'm going to record the intro. Apple just raised a ton of prices across their product line. We're going to get into that. That's going to be in the intro. You're going to have heard that earlier. So now this is a recorded after inserted in the middle with something for the intro. Bro, the editing of this show is gonna be like an inception. It's like it. I'll still get it out in an hour and a half. It's gonna be tenant. How do you do this? This is the tenant s for Nolan to edit this for you. I need one of those graphs that they have on Reddit or whatever. Okay, thanks for joining. Thanks for having me back on. All right, Jason, I think the first piece of news is probably really important to you. I feel like you're probably getting this. Did you know that GTA six is now out for pre order? We finally have GTA six. I did know I don't care. I don't send me messages. Listen, I was not allowed to play grand theft auto when I was a kid okay? So I'm into it. I think this is the meme that's been going on for years . It's like what we get before GTA six. Well the meme is finally gonna end because it's coming out. November nineteenth is the full release. You can get for PS five, Xbox series SRX eighty dollars game. Ultimate edition is a one hundred dollar game . And one of the most divisive facts about this game's release, aside from being ten years after GTA five , if you buy the physical addiction, wait a minute, what did I just say the physical addiction? Frudi and Slim. Reboot that's yeah restart. Physical Edition , you get the box and then a download code in the box. You don't get a physical disk, which I feel like some people are probably not going to catch that and then be very mad when they get their thing. But you got a box. You get a box, but the age of physical media, Jason. You know, when I did my kaleidoscape video, I had one thousand comments about just saying blue rays, blue rays, and I'm like, Best Buy doesn't even sell blue rays anymore. Right. I don't even know where I mean, you can get 'em on Amazon, I guess, but Blue, like they're not, I get it. There's still a big section of Circuit City . That is not true. I worked at Circuit City. Okay, there is no circuit city. They are out of business. Okay . Well, in my twelve year old, he has he plays stuff on the switch and he'll occasionally go to the library and we'll just check out games because you can borrow some games and st uff from there . But he actually doesn't like if we buy him a game, he prefers to not have the chip. He calls it a chip . It's like an ST card or whatever . He doesn't want that because he is anxious about putting it in and out of the thing 'cause one time you stuck it in backwards, which you're not supposed to be able to do. No, definitely did. And so he would rather just download everything. Yeah, and it's also funny like a lot of comments were pre orders for a digital only game basically you're gonna sell out you got to sell out of copies. So the pre order thing is kind of funny. It's like what line are you getting ahead of? Well, I mean, that's just like you can presave songs on Spotify What does that even mean? Yeah, that's yeah, that's fair. I guess it just gets downloaded anyway. GTS six, it's a real thing. It's coming out. So yeah, there's that. Also it's coming out . An EV here made in America that's under twenty five grand, at least if you get the very base model. Did you know about this slate truck? Had you heard about this before? Talked about this . We talked about when it was announced . Okay, well pre orders are out. You can pre order this truck for three hundred dollars deposit. The delivery window is into twenty twenty seven. So this will be coming next year . But this is an American made. They're designed in California and Michigan. Michigan. That's where the vehicle , the car capital of the world, Michigan. You should like try to get to the factory or whatever. You're right there. They're engineered in Michigan. We actually know if they're assembled in Michigan. They're assembled in Indiana. Okay, yeah. Well, like some I pretty close to Indiana pretty pretty easily. It's just right there . So this is supposed to be an affordable EV, twenty five grain. It has a two hundred five mile range. So not super long range, but the selling point is basically this thing is bare bones . The it comes as a pickup truck and then it is a modular type car where you can add attachments for it to be an SUV with a square back, you can add a row to add three more seats for a total of five seats. You can have open air. And there's lots of wraps you can get it with. It is the most customization, well, maybe not the most, but it's a lot of customization for a car that you can order here. And again, the idea is that it's simplicity, but that simplicity also means bare bones like there's no infotainment system. Like there's no screen built into this thing. It's like bring your own screen. And there's a smart home smartphone holder that you can do there. You can also get mounts for things like an iPad if you want to have an iPad as the screen . But it is very minimalistic physical dials, you know, like for air conditioner, you know, it's not it's like the opposite of modern cars where everything's electronic. A lot of physical buttons, physical knobs and stuff . I kind of want to see this succeed. I feel like this would be A , just cool if it existed . B , the community that would probably get behind this thing and just build cool stuff for it , like add ons , three D print ed accessories to put in the dash , all of that. And also like that it is the most probably affordable EV you can get. And like a model three is in the thirty thousand if you get like base model, I think. Sure. I don't know. They're cool. And some of the wraps look really cool. And so I did not put a deposit on it yet, but I was like, I don't know, it's kind of tempting. Don't you still have a deposit on an R two? Yeah, but you can't buy the cheaper versions until like whatever, years from now. So probably not doing that. But MKBHD has a video of this shick on the autofocus channel of coming out of a plant is in full swim every time which, is hilarious. But yeah, he goes through, he has a full tour of the vehicle. Again, this is not you know, the most maybe aesthetically pleasing car. It is small. Like you can touch the other side of the car from the driver's seat. It is not meant for room or being large, but you know, if you're a single person or just you and one other person , like probably not a family vehicle, although you can add the other seats , I don't know. I kind of I kind of like this. There are it's not automatic windows. There's an actual turn window stick I think on the base model, which I don't know, maybe people like that throwback, that kind of retro . I don't know. I don't know what you think about this. I have two thoughts. One, firstly, you don't need one, Steven. I'm glad it exists. Yeah, I'm glad it exists . But it's like this is not for you. I just want to say that no probably not. I mean, any more than the framework laptop was for you, right? Okay, fair. Okay. Just want to be clear. Also , I think that within three and a half years IKEA buys this company because this is basically if they made a vehicle what it, would be. Their ordering flow, I was going through the process right now. It's like, I wonder what it would actually take, but it's like you can order the square back, which is like a two door SUV, basically. And as you scroll through the thing, it's like, do you also want a tonneo cover? And I'm like, I don't understand It's all pinned clothes. But I'm saying, what would you do with the Tano cover if you have a square back SUV? Where is the Tono cover going? Well, and I think you can like swap it out yourself, maybe. Gotcha, if you wanted to get the other parts. And you know you make a square back SUV and put it in put the bench seats back there. I don't think there's room for the cover . No, no, no , there's nothing This is cool though. We'll see when it actually ships if it ships next year, but I like this style right here, the retrograde. That looks kind of cool. Yeah, it looks like an Atari. Exactly. Anyway, so that's the slate truck. You can preorder it now. It's out there. Another thing you can pre order is new meta glasses . So up until this point, Meta has only had the meta ray bands with the camera and speakers and all that kind of stuff or they partnered with Oakley and they had the outdoor glass es. Well, now Meta's like this is their glasses. No Ray Band's branding. They partnered with, how do you say this Elisore Lexotica? Esalore Lexotica. Lexotica. Well, what is the Esalore? Eslore exotica. Yeah that. So they partner with Esselor Laxota to make meta glasses, there's three styles . You can get the Fury , you can get the Kylie version or the Meta Adventurer. Now spoiler, I've never had metaglasses, but I have ordered these because I'm going to make a YouTube video about them. And I've, you know, I think we're entering we're safely in the er ofa stuff on glasses is going to be a thing . Some smarts. And so I've always wanted to have a pair of metal glasses because for videos if I want to do like first person POV type stuff, man, it would be nice to not have to hold a camera and I can just record what my face is seeing and just to try it out. Now they're three hundred dollars . If you have a prescription, it's a hundred dollars more . So these things are four hundred dollars if you have a prescription, which is what I did . It comes with meta AI built in. It has the speakers, you can talk to it, you can ask what you're looking at . Eight hours of battery. It has the charging case, and there's also this new charging stand that you can get , which I also got that I'm gonna put in a video and we'll see how that is. I have to charge so many things now Jason. Do you ever get charging fatigue? Just like, I'm just tired of charging stuff. You ever get that ? You ever get that feeling? I mean, I try not to think about it. I just try to charge everything at a specific I plug everything in at once and then it's all good to go for basically like a day. I'm testing a bunch of headphones which we're going to get to in the bonus episode and I'm just like, I got to char Ige'm, just tired of charg ing stuff. Everything needs to charged. Anyway, I'm gonna get this little charging stand. Now can you guess which style I got, Jason? I'm sure you got the Kylie ones. I did. I got the Kylie ones that are tiny little ovals that wouldn't even cover my eyeballs probably. No, that's weird. I got the metafuries because I have a big hit. So if you're letting me get the big frame which are basically like Warby Parker rip offs. Which is why it looks a lot like what I'm wearing right now 'cause we wear you wearby Parkers too? Yes, we've talked about this. I don't know even . Warby Parker. This is literally the iconic Warby Parker form factor and you couldn't tell that that's what I'm wearing . Well, they have a lot of styles now. You know what I mean? I thought you would be a fancy guy that you have to okay, yeah, they say Warby Parker in there. Listen, we've been wearing Warby Parker every episode this entire podcast completely unsponsore d. Sponsorious, okay? Here's the thing. The thing I hate the most is having to go somewhere and talk to someone about what I want. So just in general do yeah, that's actually just in general, but especially at the eye doctor. So I go and I get my exam. I do not want to sit down with this consultant who's going to try to fit me for glasses. I don't want not anything to do with any of that . And so I just say, thank you for my prescription and I go home and I put it in the Warby Parker app and then they send me stuff and I don't have to talk to anyone about it. That's exactly what I want. I don't think your doctor and the sales people, they should never the twins shall meet. Those streams should not cross. It's like a bad thing. So okay, but let me tell you three things about the metaglasses real quick. Yes. Okay. You there . First of all , the commercial , do they not watch Apple's keynote? Because their demos of stuff are just like flying by and you're like, there's no way that that works . There's no way that this is possibly working the way that it says that it's working. And so that's they did not pay attention to the fact that they what Apple got the most credit for was letting us watch it wait. Didn't we just wait? Yes. Dim ples. Secondly, I mentioned this to like several people like, oh yeah, I got to read about the new metaglasses because they're like, didn't they already do that like four times? Like there's a real problem because no one knows that the difference here is that these aren't Rayban. Now they're here. They're still with Luxotica and they still basically look the same. They're like wait they made another pair of glasses like what',s different about this pair of glasses than the other ones? I'm like, well, they're not Ray Ban. It's like so it's very, very difficult for people to care when you do when you do this. And also they're not Ray Ban , which just means they're not like the wayfarers or whatever. Right, but they're still basically the same there's the same company. It still looks autic. Like they're not moving away from that. I don't know. Like what made you want to buy these compared to any of the previous versions . So I had tried to buy the previous versions and it was very difficult to do it with a prescription . I like the rabbi ones or the other one, just the just the regular with a camera ones. Okay. I did try to do the display ones as well, and I even tried them in person. I tried to make an appointment at a best buy. And all the best buys around here, they were like, We don't know what that is. So the guy on the website, they just wasn't a thing. But I tried to order the Raybands and they wouldn't let me or I couldn't figure out how to do the prescription when I ordered it. And to Meta's credit, the ordering process here was a lot easier. You just choose your style. You manually put in your prescription, which was kind of hilarious. Usually when you order glasses like Warby Parker, they're like, Upload your prescription. We're going to make sure this is legit, that it's not expired five years ago. Meta was like, just put in your numbers. We'll take care of it. So I didn't have to upload my prescription. I just put in the numbers. Like that probably leaves a lot of room for error, you know, also there literally a prescription . That's the thing . Which that would be like me like, yeah, I promise you, I definitely have a prescription for this . A lot of medical , you can send it to me, it's totally cool. It's fine. Yeah, so I was like, maybe maybe change that to upload the prescription. But so the auditing process was easier and I actually got an email just this morning saying they are now working on them. They apparently delivered july seventh, so I'm not going to get them for a couple weeks. But because the ordering process was easy and I don't know, it feels like the glass is techn. You know, the Sap Spectacles last week. We talked about those. We did mention like , is it Evan Spiegel, the Snapchat CEO? Sure. Yep. Is that his name? Yes. Yeah, yeah, just like all the videos of him wearing them in interviews and stuff and like his ears are basically bent downwards, like they look very heavy and very uncomfortable, but it's clear everyone's like doing this. We're all doing the glasses. So I just wanted to be able to experience it and speak to it as a creator, as a tech person . And also see like is this valuable? Like I'm going to go around and I'm also curious if anybody accosts me because they think I'm recording them. I don't know . But you metaglasses have been around for a little while. That's not new. But I don't see them in the real world a lot . Like I saw when I went to podcast movement conferences, I saw two pairs there . And even at CES, I think maybe I saw like one, but I do not see them out and about. And I'm going to go to like Amature Works, which is like a big food hall here in Tampa. And I'm going to wear them and we'll see if any Karens come up to me and they're like, Don't record me. We'll see if we'll see if that happens. You know, according to Meta's press release , yes , glasses are the most exciting hardware category of the AI era . Now, do you know why, by the way Meta thinks this ? It's the only hardware they make. That's it. That's the only reason. They're the most exciting category because it's all we got. We can't sell a phone because you already got your iPhone. We can't sell you headphones because you already have AirPods. We can't sell you a smart speaker because yeah all the people who make speakers works for Google and Apple and Sonos . And we're going to get to how many original ideas Zuckerberg has actually had because it's shocking ly few. I actually think the number zero, just to be clear. I mean, would Facebook be an idea that was original to Zuckerberg? No, because I don't think he originally came up with the idea. He just built the built he just did it, yes . And my space was the thing before that. Also no, it was hot or not was like the thing before. Well, that was what he made, yeah, yeah. Originally, I don't know, yeah, we'll get to we'll get to that. Anyway, we'll talk about a couple of weeks from now. I'll wear the metaglasses during the show and everybody can yell at me for recording. Well, I wouldn't be recording them because I'm just recording I'd be recording my own camera anyway. Yeah. Steam console also is out there for pre order. This was announced last year and spoilers, it's really expensive because you know, ramp prices and stuff. So this is a black box. The Steam Console, if you're not familiar with Steam is the video game platform where you can get a bunch of games. You know, I have Steam on this gaming PC over here. You can also have Steam on your Mac. I'll put a link to the IGN review. And also Sean Hollister did a Virgast episode. Can I just say side note? How are you feeling about the daily Verge? We talked about this last week. I know but now it's been a little bit on the show . Again , I think that especially David Pierce is like if they gave out lifetime achievement awards that he would get one for podcasting. Right? Yes. I think it's too much of a good thing . I only really listen to the Friday Show. That is a Vergecast to me. I feel like they should have launched this as something else. I understand why they didn''t. Its real hard to build an audience in another feed. You might as well just dump it in the feed you already got with the audience I understand that the opportunity to sell more ad inventory is just too good of a thing to pass up , but sure I don't I don't think so. Yeah, I have mixed emotions because I enjoyed I just listened to Jennifer Tewy on the Smart Home episode and like I enjoyed that the Ruma one or whatever that was they talked about the Gemini speaker and which I actually have being delivered today apparently. And so we're gonna see what that's like. But I enjoyed that episode with her. And Sean Hollister's episode talking about the Steam Console , he said a lot of things I don't understand , like graphic cards things and VRAM , and it's kind of fun just to listen to someone just speak extemporaneously about something they were extremely knowledgeable and passionate about. So if you just want to hear that, I would encourage you to listen to Shon Hallster episode, but I also do, I just want a Friday feed like you're saying, I would love Friday feed. Anyway, the Steam Console, this is basically a Linux PC that has like boots into the Steam platform. But because it's the Lin ux PC, you can do things like connect whatever peripherals you want and you can buy it with a Steam Controller, which is like its own thing, or you can use whatever controller you want. You can connect a keyboard and mouse to it, whatever one you want . And it's just this discrete black box. It is one thousand forty nine dollars for five hundred and twelve gigs of storage, eleven hundred twenty eight dollars if you want it with a controller. And if you want two terabytes it, is thirteen hundred and forty nine dollars . And it is this expensive. And Steam has said, we are selling this at cost . They're saying this is just what it costs to make this because of the RAM and storage prices right now. So they are not trying to make a profit on this console. It is just kind of an unfortunate , perfect storm where the RAM and SSD prices coinciding with the launch of this box means it's very expensive , but yeah, it's there. This is I didn't of all the things that I pre ordered this week, this is not something I pre ordered. You know, it's a real bad time to launch a product that requires a lot of memory or storage. Oh, and you know, we didn't cover this last week, but Tim Cook in an interview said prices are going up. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was kind of inevitable, especially like Ben Thompson talks a lot about how in actual dollars, Apple has been lowering the price of the iPhone for years because it is the same , they did go up one hundred dollars, I think this last with the seventeen pro maybe? Was that true? It went up to ten ninety nine from ninety nine or something. But they also changed the base minimum storage amount at the same time. So in that case, but they are going to have to raise prices because like you could buy an iPhone in twenty twenty five for the same prices you could buy an iPhone in twenty twenty, right? So in actual dollars, they were only like seven hundred bucks like adjusted. But he is saying specifically because it's the memory prices. Yeah, so what I'm saying is like essentially the price of an iPhone has been getting cheaper due to inflation so there's no way they can continue doing that as the costs are going up. They have to make that adjustment. Tim Cook said, I've never seen anything like this in forty years as far as the different what a picture ABC News used here of Tim Cook about it. Do you think, but here's the question do you think that prices will be raised for current products or will Apple just launch new products this fall at higher prices I don't know the answer to that. I would be not surprised if they raised prices. They've been basically , you know, trying to increase reduce the sticker shock when you log onto the website by cutting off the bottom like they do with the price. Yeah, so you get used to those larger dollar amounts even though you're essentially getting the same value for that. I wouldn't be surprised if they just make an adjustment so that when they release things they're the same price and they can take that way you're taking a hit on products you're basically not selling anymore . And so it's like, okay, this might slow down sales on a product that we're not like the iPhone seventeen pro. I know Apple still sells them. They don't sell nearly as many of them now as they're going to sell eighteen pros in September. And if you just slow that process down and then you can promote a new price that's essentially the same , I think that that's better math than introducing a new product with a higher price . Yes , but man, that's going to be weird and people will have things to say about it. Of course they will, but also everything is getting more expensive . And I think people understand. The challenge is like, this is going to be the new baseline. It's not like Apple's going to go back down. What's hard is all of Apple's devices require more RAM in order to run Apple intelligence . It's hard to get RAM right now because all of that Apple intelligence is running on Nvidia server or Nvidia GPU's in Google's cloud. And guess what? All of those things require a whole bunch of RAM. So it's like a double edged sword where it's like we need more RAM, it's more expensive to build our products and the reason is because we need the RAM in order to run the AI and the AI is using up all the RAM . I also think when and if the Mac well not if but when the new Mac Studio comes out whether, that's an M five or an M six at this point, who knows , that it will be more expensive, but also the higher tiers will be way more expensive, I think. Like if you want a Max Studio with one hundred twenty eight gigs of memory or five hundred twelve if that's even an option. I don't think it will be yet. Maybe later, but I don't think it launch it will. Well, I think the one hundred and twenty eight gig model probably be astronomical compared to what it was, which was already expensive up tograde the RAM on any Mac . No sure. That's where the margins are. But you can get a MacBook Pro with like one hundred and twenty eight or something twenty eight for like six grand. And right. But and that price has not changed yet, but I imagine that's one of those tiers that we'll see , you know, go up. Yeah. So and speaking of chips, I'll just throw this in here before take a break. Open AI has made their own chip . So here's Sam Altman Chesin with the chip that they've partnered and made in collaboration with Broadcom, they called it jalapeno . Okay , but anyway, they're trying to make this chip because they don't want to be as dependent on Nvidia for all their chip stuff. It's going to be a long time before they get away from that, I'm sure . I mean, hold on, yes. There's a company who notoriously wanted nothing to do with NVIDIA for years. And they in fact, they bought a company called PHSMI so that they could make their own processor so they wouldn't have to use intel either. Right . And they just announced that they're going back to using NVIDIA GPUs . Apple. Like come on, like you're not going to get away from it. Like if you want to do AI, which I think open AI wants to do AI . You think think I it's part of their business plan . Yeah this is not there's no way this is like that's great. This is just marketing . Yeah, and it's also so this is also designed for inference and if to make that distinction, inference, the process of running the models is when you ask Chat Chip PT something , that's inference. Whatever processing it's doing in real time as you're making that request, that's the inference part. So even if it uses this chip for the inference side, which maybe one day a couple years from now, it'll get cheaper because they're using their own chips, quote unquote. There's still all the training part of the models, which is where a lot of processor intensive work has to be done. And so this is not for that. That will also still be NVIDIA for a long time. Well, and I mean I don't think that these I don't think this is a GPU, is it? I think it's a CPU, right? It is a CPU . Which that's fine. Guess what those CPUs do? They just send all the work to GPUs . Right? Right? Unless it's like real simple, I guess. Like the fast models maybe? I still think it because that's Nvidia's big thing is that you can buy the stack that has their CPU, their GPU. Like, I don't know, I mean, I just I think this is marketing. Yeah, yeah, you're probably right. All right, we're gonna talk about some changes. The IS twenty seven beta two came out. I did a video on some of the smart home changes, but also I'm excited for these rumors about Apple TV because we might see some stuff coming in the fall. So let's get to that. But before we do, I want to thank our friends at CoPilot Money. Listen, you need a nice way, a great looking way to manage your money, keep it organized, let you know when you have those subscriptions coming up, what you can cancel, and co pilot money is the way to do it. 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Get up to twenty two percent off yearly plans, plus ten percent on top with coupon code, primary technology, ten, all that info is in the show notes as well. Thanks to Nord Layer for sponsoring this episode. All right, have you put the beta yet on your main iPhone? No, I haven't. But I do need to make a correction. Okay before, we go too far . And I'm only going to do this because I just know our listeners, you're very astute, and some of you are going to leave us comments. Some of you already have because we didn't do this correction. But I think when I made the comment about how or not, you said something about Zuckerberg made that, but he did not. It was made by someone else, but they basically copied it with like the swipe thing with the face whatever they called that thing, friend feed or face face swap, the facebook. I don't even know anyw anyay.w Fayriends that, was something different . Anyway, I just wanted to correct it. If you left a comment, you can go ahead and delete it now. We know that Mark Zuckerberg did not make hot or not. He made a copy of it. So speaking of which anyway, what was your go ahead? The social I mean, you saw the social network movie back in the day . Yes. And now they're making the sequel, the social reckoning. Yes. I have not seen that obviously, but it is with the guy from Succession What is his name? Jeremy Strong is playing Mark Zuckerberg. And the social reckoning it comes out this year is it already I don't think it's already out, but we talk about Aaron Sorkin a couple last week a couple of weeks ago just as a writer. He's doing all the things for this movie. He's the director, he did the screenplay, he's the producer. This is an Aaron Sorkin joint . Yeah. Yeah, and I think so there's two, I mean, I'm a big Aaron Sork in fan. We've talked about like I've told you like we had this conversation over chat about the newsroom, which I told you was like one of the three one of the foundational legs of the Holy Trinity of Aaron Sorghon Television along with Fort Knight and the West Wing. He also did a few good men . He did the play he like did a Broadway or a play to kill a mockingbird like anyway the thing about the so cial network is that his people don't talk in real life the way Aaron Sorkin writes . So when you're writing a true like not a documentary but like a true story . It's kind of tough because it's like they talk about it like that. Like it's way too clever, but yeah, but I still want to see it. So although you can't beat Jess Eisenberg as Mark Zuckerberg and apparently try to get Jingess Eisenberg , and they did not. He's like, No, I've already been known as Mark Zuckerberg for part of my life. I'd like to move on from that phase. Apparently , I've heard this was part of another show, but if you listen to Jeremy Strong do the voice of Mark Zuckerberg, he does nail the voice. He sounds like Mark Zuckerberg sounds today . And this is apparently about one of the whatever happened a number of years ago, that was like a controversy within Facebook. Not the Cambridge Analytica stuff and not anything in the last like five years. This is about another contested thing. So I'm not even sure the event it's covering, but the social reckoning, I don't know, maybe we should do movies on the side mashup and do the social reckon tech versus yeah , do the tech thing. But the original Social Network was amazing. Like that was a great movie you know drop the drop the drop of the drop face hoe anyway. Thank you for that correction . We will I want to talk about I was twenty seven real quick. Beta two came out. Everyone's saying Siri AI is much faster. Also shortcuts got an automation toggle, which is very nice. So if you go to the automations page in shortcuts in IOS twenty seven beta two, you can now toggle on automations much easier, which is great . I am not running it on my main iPhone yet, I'm running it everywhere else . And I did a video on these smart home updates , all the things coming. And apparently in the code , this was found via MacWorld found code in the beta. I'll actually link the Mac World Article seems to imply Siri AI is coming to future Apple TV's and Homepods I am so hoping this fall . Like this is the thing that was supposedly holding up new homepods, new Apple TV's and maybe the homepod with the screen was Apple's Siri AI . And maybe we didn't talk about this, but now like it's out there, Siri AI is the thing. It's actually pretty good. Everyone's using it. I'm using it. It's going to be here in the fall . Maybe. And the Mac World found code, that we might finally get a new Apple TV hardware and a new homepod. And interestingly, TVOS twenty seven drops support for the first Apple TV four K model. So if you have the oldest Apple TV four K , it's not going to get TVOS twenty seven. You have to have a second or third generation Apple TV four K . And maybe that means new Apple TV hardware with Siri AI, Home Pod with Siri AI . One can hope, and I'm hoping. Yeah, I mean, it does make sense that the iPhone and the Mac and the iPad, those are all devices that can exist without Siri AI, right? Like they've all existed. Siri's been terrible on them. So you would release it there first because yes, I think they knew that it was good, but they needed to pressure test it in the wild and like get it out there. It does make sense that they didn't introduce devices that depend on it. And that was like the holdup, I guess, with especially the homepod with a screen was like this, relies on Siri AI . And so it's like, well, that makes sense. Let's get it out there and make sure that we get the actual thing out of beta before we release a product that is entirely dependent on it. Also, like they wouldn't have announced a product now that requires software that's not coming till September . Correct. Right, yeah, so they're not going to announce it. But one other encouraging footnote , okay, Siri AI , it does not require the newest iPhone. I think this is a confusion I keep seeing online . The better on device dictation model and the expressive voice for Siri. Those are the two things that require the newest hardware iPhone seventeen lineup, iPhone Air, and iPads with M three or Maclooks with M three and newer. Those are the two things that explicitly require newer devices. But Siri AI is coming to a bunch of devices. And I will put this Apple Newsroom article about Siri AI because it lists all the models that are getting Apple Intelligence and Siri AI in Iowa twenty seven and it includes from the iPhone fifteen Pro and Newer, so every iPhone that has Apple Intelligence and Newer and this is going to come into our Prime Day personal tech things because I posted an iPad mini sale going on Prime for Day and people were like it's not even going to get Siri AI. It is the iPad mini with the A seventeen pro will be getting it has Apple Intelligence now and it will be getting Siri AI come this fall . And also obviously the MacBook Neo is getting it. That's an A eighteen chip, the iPads and one are later, even Apple Watch SE three when paired with an Apple Intelligence iPhone. So what I think is interesting there's the iPad mini A se venteen Pro . That's going to get Siri AI . What is the chip in the Apple TV four K? I'm gonna try and look it up now. A twelve bionic or something. It is is old. I'm not gonna know fourteen. I don't know. It is the A fifteen . It is the A fifteen and it has been a number of years since it has come out. I think twenty twenty two was when the last four K model came out . So all that being said , if we get a new Apple TV come this fall, even if it uses the current old chip, which I would say the iPad Mini has an old chip, the A seventeen pro . Even if they just put that in the Apple TV four K, that means it would be capable of Siri AI and all the Apple intelligence stuff. And I do want Siri AI on my Apple TV. I want it to be smart enough to tell me how tall is Brad Pitt or whatever or me some movie recommendations, give me some world knowledge. Let me ask what is a black hole? How does it work? Like let me ask calling stuff it of the TV . And so I'm hoping, crossing my fingers, Apple TV and HomePod, this fall, new hardware with Siri AI . Calling it. I do want to say two things. Yes. One, I can understand why people are confused because there's essentially three tiers . IOS twenty seven will go all the way back to I think the iPhone eleven . Obviously though, you don't get the Apple intelligence features or the Siri AI features, but I believe they said the iPhone eleven is getting from the iPhone eleven and later, yeah. Yes. Okay, and then this is it. This is last year 'cause they've already made the they've already said that the iPhone eleven series is not vintage, but like obsolete, maybe, I don't know. It's maybe it is vintage, but not obsolete. Whatever. This is it. This is the last year getting any updates for that one. And then the fifteen or newer get the Siri AI, and then the seventeen pro get the expressive voices which require that most advanced I , but anything that can send to private cloud compute can still get, you know, Siri AI, right? And that includes a much broader range of things. Now the TV thing, I think it's cool. I don't want anyone shutting at my TV during a movie asking how tall Brad Pitt is because you know what you can do, you can shut at your phone. It's fine. I know it's it's a fun party trick, but like do you really want to do those things on your TV while you're enjoying a movie? Wouldn't you rather just sit at your phone? How tall is Bread Pitt whatever? Not while you're watching a movie, but as you're browsing around or if you want to ask it , what was that movie that had Jennifer Lawrence and Michael Fassbender? I want my opportunity to tell me XM in first class. You know what I mean? I wanted be able to answer those questions intelligently. I mean, the only benefit is then if it says, did you want to watch it? But like yeah , but I mean, I feel like the phone is still a better, better format for that or your watch. I think it's smart. Also with all the Apple Home stuff, because in my video, I talk about the home app now has better descriptions for what's happening and you can search it in natural language . That would be cool to do on the TV too. At the very least to be able to see like show me all the packages that were delivered or be smarter about what notifications coming up . But to your point, the iPhone eleven last year in September, the eleven was added to the vintage products list from Apple. So it is considered vintage, but still getting IOS twenty seven. So there you go. Yeah. And I think this is a Oh, this is the list. I'll put a link to this. This is Apple's support article that lists all the products on the vintage list. There's a lot of Macs , all the iPods. And yeah, eleven Pro and eleven Pro Max are on the vintage list . There you go . And obsolete is a different designation. The iPhone eight is the newest iPhone that is on the obsolete list. I think that means they won't service them anymore, right? They won't service them. That's the thing. That's the thing. All right, so that's the TBOS thing. Stay tuned. I mean, all the beta it's beta season. I've resisted putting the main beta on myit iPhone just yet. I'm close. I'm close because I want to be able to speak to using Siri AI day to day and being on the iPhone air because I don't carry it around with me, I'm not using it and I might yeah, oh and the smart home notifications have not been better yet because as you can see, I have a ton of smart home notifications. And beta two still doesn't let you see the photos . Oh, won't let it. You can't be able to pull the photo and be like, what kind of dog is this? Yeah. But if you screenshot it and you ask it, it will do it. They don't understand. Well, there's also shortcuts for a long time, the action was get what's on screen, which only worked with S afari and maybe Apple Maps where it would get the URL for whatever you're looking at on screen. It was not a good shortcuts action because it didn't work in most contexts. That's changing to a get what's on screen AI context action, and that's not there yet. There's actually a message in the Shortcuts app that's telling you this action is being deprecated for this other action, which is interesting. I don't think Apple and Shortcuts has done that before being like, Hey, this action is going away. Look for this new action , but that is that is coming. I'm gonna try to try get what's on screen. If you tap a little I says or if you add it to a thing . Oh no, it changed . I need to do a video on this. Sorry . We have to end the show right now, Steve. We have to do . I got to go. Now the get what's on screen action, this was not the case before. You didn't you couldn't choose what to get on screen. It was just a blank get what's on sc reen. And now you have this full list of stuff where you can, you know, get reminders, pull phone numbers. Oh, this is very exciting. And for the scope , you could do all visible or focused app only . That is very cool. I'm very curious now. Well, I know what video I'm doing this weekend. Okay. Amazing. You got that. I'm glad this was a productive recording for you. And listen, I get ideas. You know what I mean? I get ideas. And I needed something else for the video this weekend so that works out well. All right, real quick. Google Play Store payment processing, they're changing the percentage take. This is the constant push and pull of regulators and countries trying to get the app stores to lower their percentages. And now the Google Play Store , if you have an app that makes less than one million dollars annually in the Google Play store, they will take ten percent , ten percent of your earnings if it earns over one million dollars , they will take twenty percent , but on renewing subscriptions only ten percent, even if you make multi millions of dollars with your app. They also announced new a level up and apps experience, which will have lower fees. I'll link the Verge Article that has this breakdown. But just to compare that to Apple, Apple's small business program, which is also up to a million dollars a year, fifteen percent, so still higher than Google. And if you make over a million dollars, Apple's still taking thirty percent, the highest of all the percent from developers. So yeah , I thought this was interesting. I'd be curious if we have app developers who I know we have app developers who listen, but I'd be curious if this affects anyone. I have been asked why I didn't make my app available on the Google Play store. And I mean, the answer is I don't care. But the other answers I tell people, no, that's not really true. I would. It's just that like it's just entirely based on CloudKit in terms of being able to sync between devices . And you have to move to a completely different sort of a system. And they do exist. Apple intelligence also isn't part of your app, which is well, that's true. There are I mean there are other options for some of that, but I just don't build completely two different separate things . And the expectation would be if I had an I if I had an Android device and a Mac that I'd still be able to share notes between them. Right . And I just am not going to try to figure that out. You'd have to build your own sync engine basically. No, there is they do exist. Like that sort of I mean like dropbox works on multiple like right, and sure there are other types of things that do that. It's just I'm I'm not going to that's hard. That's hard . Listen, vibe coding is kind of hard, it's hard enough. Like, just get into AI. The CloudKit part was the hardest part. Yeah, yeah, the sinking. And that's why , you know, bear they all make their own sync engine because CloudKitter is like, while very good, it's also not a hundred percent all the time. I have found that it does what I need it to do. It's just that I had to work out what I had to be able to tell it, what do I want you to do in certain situations? Like if I have a note open on my Mac and my iPhone, right ? What do you want to do? How do you decide what to sync and when? Because if you accidentally like delete the entire note on an iPhone and it immediately syncs and then it delets it on your mac. Like that's probably not what you want . So what instructions did you give it? I said, just don't mess it up. That's what you told clogged. Don't mess it up. Thankfully, it was like, well, here's what the best practice is to have it how it should behave in certain ways. And on the phone, I do have a save so it does not sync to the cloud until I hit that save, right? So I could make changes on it and then if I hit save they will populate in the other places whereas in the Mac, it essentially just does it on a time. Like every so often it's sinking in the background so it just I mean version control is a hard thing . Yeah, that's it is hard and I even get like in bare sometimes the sync conflicts and it'll show me two versions of the note , which I appreciate that behavior because at least it doesn't overwrite what it thinks I didn't want. It'll show me both notes and it'll be like which one did you want to keep? Yeah Ulysses does the same thing and it'll ask, do you want to keep one or the other or both? And I just always say both. Like I can just tell, don't ask . I don't know what I did, just save them both, please. Don't yeah, I just don't want to lose anything. I will mention here because a lot of people have been sending me the l ink Bear, the Makers of Bear, which is Tiny Frog, I believe , they made an app called Lettera, Lettera, I'm not exactly sure , but it is like an obsidian type app where it is a markdown notes editor, but it strictly looks at markdown files in your folder structure on your Mac. It is in beta right now. It's Mac only . I think they're trying they're going to release it for the rest of the platform soon. I have downloaded it. I did export all my bear notes as markdown files, tried to get it in terrater let a. It is a beautiful app. Bear and tiny frog makes beautiful apps. I immediately realized Bear is too good and I'm not going to move away from bear because the trying to organize the folder structure and markdown files from Bear? Like I actually had Claude doing it for me. I said, Claude cowork, here's my Bear tags. Here's my folder with all my bear notes as markdown files. Make them the same , organized them the same . And it did an okay job until it didn't, and it's not been exactly right . And Later a, it's a beautiful app, but it's still not as robust as the Bear app. And so while this is very interesting to me . if And you are all in on obsidian but want something that looks nicer, you can try Litera because then you can just point it at whatever folder your Obsidian notes are in and just try it, just see what you think . Maybe even use both in tandem, you know, for different reasons, but it is beautiful. I'll be keeping an eye on it, but I'm still sticking with Bear. I'm still all Bear all the time. You still Apple notes by default or you're contextually for your notes . Duh . But do you use contextually for all notes now. Everything except for when I'm writing articles and stuff. And you use Ulysses for that. Yep. But I thought you were a big Apple notes guy. I thought you used , but it didn't have the two things I wanted so I built an app that's basically Apple Notes plus those two things. But so did you export all your notes and import them into KatextLe? I did. And do you have collaborative notes too? Only with my kids, like they'll share certain things, but that is a feature that is that I'm working on . Oh , interesting. So little tea little teaser. Yeah. That is also the one reason I go into Apple Notes is I have a couple collaborative notes. The one thing I didn't, it wouldn't I mean there is a solve for this. I don't have locked notes in contextly. It's not a thing. I do have a couple of those in notes. They're not like these are all things that can move to one password or something like that, but it's like, I do have a note of recovery codes because you know how sometimes you get the thing and it's like put these codes somewhere safe. You're going to need them someday. And then I have one that's like kids' Apple IDs and passwords and GM like in a locked note. Yeah, because I don't want to save those as credentials. I just want to have a backup in case the kids I don't log into those things . So I just saved them as a locked note. It's like it's fine . Eventually these kids are going to take ownership of their own stuff and I'm not gonna care anymore . But do you use the passwords app, Apple's passwords app? I do. Because I keep all their credentials in there and we have shared groups in Apple passwords. Apple passwords is pretty good at when you're logging into a website like apple ID. com, it'll show you the one you use the most, which would be mine. Right. And then you just click for more to see the other ones, but and using the passwords in Brave works, but still cumbersome because they're always typing in the six digit code in order to enable the passwords. Also, what I don't ever use, I literally never log into these accounts. It's because my kids are like, I don't know how I'm supposed to do this. I can just literally open the note, it's pinned to the top, it's locked for touch ID, as opposed to going into the passwords where you then search for Google. And it's like, I have one thousand six hundredteen countries for Google. Yeah, yeah, I get that idea. Because I also have a thousand Google accounts that are clients that I had built websites for over the years. So I do have like fifty Google accounts. Well, also the problem is sometimes I have the same credentials save four times because it's like accounts dot google. com YouTube. TV. Google Gmail. com. Like if you save them separately, it does and then the pain is when you enter. One day, I'll never have the time or want to do this, but to go through and actually add all the website variations to the one login. So it's a hard coworker could go into my passwords app and just combine them. It can't. But I don't know if I wanted I don't know if I want plugs. I know. What I'm just saying that would be the scenario. That's one of the areas I'm like, You know what Claude, stay out of my password. You don't need to leave it alone. It's fine. Leave that alone. Another one I want to stay away from my passwords, Mark Zuckerberg. Perfect. I had to throw that in there we perfect. Multiple times already, but it's just Zuckerberg, he wants to make a polymarket clone , but without real money. Now, if you're not familiar with polymarket, it's the prediction market. It's gambling on whatever. Like that's what polymarket and Cal um Calci. I actually watched the John Oliver last week tonight on all the polymarket stuff, which is insane . But yeah, he wants to create a prediction market. And the reason I put this in here is because I don't know the last time Mark Zuckerberg had an original idea for a product . I mean Meta Raybands, I mean smart glasses have been a thing. Google glass was a thing. When was the last time Mark Zuck erberg had an original idea? That's the question. I don't know . To buy Instagram . That's I guess that is an original idea. And maybe somebody else had tried to do it before him. I don't know. Instagram stories came from Snapchat, realized TikTok. He's the only person in the world that cared about that. And now that's dead. But I'm saying maybe that was an original idea. So far his batting average of original ideas not great. O for one, maybe over for two . Polymore. Anyway, so there's prediction markets bad. Just to be clear, money or no money, they're bad because what they do is they incentivize people to change outcomes that would like it changes the incentive for the outcomes. Like the number of times we read stories about like insider training trading on prediction markets, which apparently is also a thing. It's like oh, someone places a massive bet that someone won't become elected in their primary and day the before that person just drops out of the primary . Correct. It's like, this is not great. This is not great. It is way too easy to manipulate from the people you could bet on . You can bet on the day IOS twenty seven comes out probably. I haven't looked it up so but don't do that. Don't do that. Also, Instagram is trying to get on TV, which I'm like they want you to watch they want to upload horizontal video to Instagram and they're also going to let you watch Reels on smart TV's. Series will be a thing so you can follow multiple series . Everybody wants the smart TV. Yeah. Everybody YouTube is dominating on the TV now, and it's their fastest growing market. And they're like, Oh, we should do that . I don't think this won't fly. No , this can't be a thing. This is going to be like the what is it Quibi? That was like the horizontal vertical platform where you can watch it either way. No, it's not happening. Also side note, as I've been in Vision Pro playing around with the betas , I noticed that the TikTok app no longer works in Vision Pro. TikTok actually had an app for Vision Pro, and it was kind of interesting because being in Vision Pro, who cares if the windows vertical or horizontal? You can put it wherever you can take whatever space, you know what I mean? And it's everything at once. It's open game . It's open game, open gate vision. And it was actually interesting to kind of scroll a vertical feed in Vision Pro. You can just kind of have it off to the side or whatever. But I went to open the app the other day and it's just like nope, this doesn't work anymore . I was like, okay, that's interesting to put the app in there and then stop support, which I'm like, you'd never just never update it again. Just leave it alone. Just because it doesn't work in twenty seven ? I think I tried it before I updated to the beta. I tried it before I updated the beta, but yeah, so there's that . Okay , I wanted to do a little bit of follow up on the UK social media band . We got a lot of feedback from people. Thank you for writing in. I noticed some strong feelings. We got also a lot of emails and comments from social media . And I don't typically like want to follow up on big topics like this, but I wanted to make it clear because if someone interpreted our segment last week as though we are in favor of social media platforms because we might feel against the ban, that is not the case. It can be equally true that we are not in support of a social media ban, but also not in support of the social media platforms and how they exist. Like those things can be true at the same time. And there are also a couple details that I want ed to make sure we cleared as far as just the nuts and bolts of things. So let me do that first . We mentioned last week about age verification and how you might have to upload a photo ID to verify your age. And someone on YouTube commented that's not required for this age verification . And to be clear, it's actually much more confusing than that because age verification is done by various third party entities depending on the platform , sometimes it's required and sometimes it's not. So if this ban goes into effect comes spring twenty twenty seven, platforms like X , the social media platform, if you wanted to use it and you needed to verify your age , that actually enforces uploading an ID Things like discord, it's a combination that it's an ID , Veritad is identifying ge for discord , but it's also going to use on device facial estimation along with the ID . Also, platforms like Reddit require a selfie or government ID , so on and so forth. Meta, which Instagram and Facebook , it is using Yoti, facial age estimation plus ID, although might always be required. So it is much more complicated when you look at per platform. No you may, not be required to upload your ID to get verified on all these platforms, but some you may. And some, scanning your face and using AI for age justimation has been notoriously inaccurate in other parts of the world. It might take a teenager and age them up, giving them adult access, and it has also taken adults and age them down and then losing access to a platform because it thinks that they are younger than they are and then people have to go through all the steps of actually verifying it in other ways. So it is complex situation. No, it might not require AD, but it might require things like credit checks or credit card checks or your email address, which would be connected to your financial institution, they might verify your age that way . Which you can decide whether you prefer to upload a driver's license or state ID or to connect your b anking email finances to an age verification service. I would prefer to do neither, honestly . But so all that to say, it is much more complicated. No, it does not just upload your ID to the things, but it varies widely per platform. So I just wanted to correct that . And I also just want to can I interject for real quick? Please, yeah, you cool . There are two completely separate fights over this. One is which whether the government should be requiring age limits. And the subset of that is what those age limits should be, right? I think in the US, it's already thirteen, essentially, right? Yes. But there's no age verification requirement associated with that. Okay, so one, that's one fight. Should the government be requiring age limits? The second one is who should be responsible for verifying those ages. Now, nobody wants to be responsible. Nobody . And all of the platforms believe that Google and Apple should be responsible. Now let's be honest, that's probably the right answer if this is going to be a thing . And the reason for that is twofold, especially in Apple's case, we'll set Google aside for a second because I don't have any Google devices that I'm going to have to verify my age on. I'd much rather I mean I already let Apple scan my face for face ID to already have it doesn't get sent anywhere. I already gave it my digital ID. That's fair to you right my passport is in there . So like I, much prefer it bele App . And if Apple sets your age , then it's like a hard feature encoded in Okay, you can't download this or it automatically would filter through. It applies everywhere. But the reason Apple Google are like, No, no, no, this is not our problem, which they're right. It's not their problem. They didn't build these apps that are causing these problems . But also these laws come with real penalties . There's liability associated with it. And we saw in Australia , there was tons of consolidated, but there was also fines associated with if like if there's a single case of a teenager who is using a platform that is illegal like that they're not old enough to be using then it's the platform at this point that is responsible for that. So no one wants that liability. So that's why there's all this fighting back and forth between no you should be the one who has to do this. No you should be the one who has to do this . It probably should be Apple and Goog le, but I don't want to let that distract from the fact that I also don't think the government's the ones that should be doing this. Right . So that was the nuts and bolts correction. And then we did actually hear from a number of people in the U K, and which I feel like would be the best to speak to their feelings about this . One , I think they gave me permission, but I won't mention their name because I'm not sure. But they're a parent based in the UK, two daughters , and they're not at an age where this would be an issue yet, but it will be someday. And to them, it is a little scary. They're saying it's worrisome how involved the government would be in the age verification and things like that. So that was one thought. And then also a friend of the show Theo. He is a young person in the UK, so would be affected by this ban specifically was actually a he said he was in favor of it because he does not have access to some of these apps just personally and friends do and there's a discrepancy there. And so there's a feeling of like they get to use these apps and I don't. It would be nice if we were on this like level playing field . And we talked about in the pre how strict we are, probably with our kids about social media. And I understand that pain point sometimes. But what are the sorry and in this case it's not just like a fear of missing out . The key piece was kids who are in that situation get picked on. Through no reason like through no fault of their ownare.nts P like us are like , you can't use this and they're like, ha you can't use this. Right, exactly. And that's it. And one of the apps not a part of this band was WhatsApp. And Theo was like, I would get random people on WhatsApp contacting me that feels pretty dangerous. Like when talk about ag ification and keeping kids safe, that seems pretty serious . And then I want to point out Andy in the UK, he shared this on threads and I'll link to his post. But it would be helpful to mention that the UK under sixteen social media ban also has a lot to do. There's been a high media coverage of teen suicides and murders Brianna Gay, Molly Russell that are, attributed to teen use of social media, and they loom over the topic . And I think that is it's an important point. I want to point that out. Like the effects of these platforms on teenagers , there's been so many studies psychologically, socially. There's a lot of negative effect . And not listening that at all , actually , like we were talking in the pre show , I think it would be behooving to someone to do something about that and we just think it should be the platforms themselves . And I want to juxtapose that the cases here in the U. S. and Canada where OpenAI is in court cases right now because of the same situation. Adam Rain is someone who committed suicide because of conversations with Ch BT. Now, I say because of open AI claims that they deny the allegations that is to blame for it. And yes, you could maybe point to other factors, but there are also cases in Canada. And the fact remains Ch,at betee told these teenagers things that likely affected their mental state even to the point of possibly giving instructions , which is seems particularly heinous . Now, in here in those cases with Chat uPT and Open AI , no one is asking for a ban on ChatuPT . What they are asking for is for ChatPT to do more to protect teens from this kind of content and information even if they are looking for it . And they put the on us on open AI because I think people understand, oh, this is Chatpete. They have control . Open has E contyroel of their platform. They can do something about it . And that is the feeling that I have, and I think you share and you can tell me in a second , that is the feeling I would like to attribute to Meta and to Google and to the platforms that are creating an environment that includes harassment and includes bullying . And it's not that we are in favor of these platforms and we want teenagers to have unfettered access , I think the owner should be on the platforms to put levers, controls, adjust algorithms to make it a safer place . And one example could be on Instagram for teenagers under a certain age put this in the parental controls, which Instagram has done better at its parental controls. I use them to say comments are off . You had just no comments on posts or reels. Maybe turn off DMs . And there are controls for that now where you know teenagers can either not DM or only DM contacts that parents approve. Do things like that to make these platforms safer because it is the platform I feel it should be the platform's responsibility who makes this environment to be responsible for this environment rather than an age verification that then dictates who can use these platforms. And I just wanted to be clear like there are very unfortunate sad situations. There are tragedies related to the effects of these platforms, and I think we should be pointing our fingers and eyes at those in control of the platforms themselves rather than using a government ban to just restrict total access. And I just wanted to be clear on that. Yeah, I think you were very clear. And I think that the problem is that I think this I think that this ban is a bad idea, but it's not because I think sixteen or fifteen or fourteen year olds using social media is a good ide a . Right? That's not the same thing . And I also don't think I also think that any of these cases that you described are a tragedy . I believe the platforms in those cases I shouldn't say I don't know the facts of all them. I think there are many cases where the platform should be liable for that, right? We saw the scenario where Mark Zuckerberg was before Congress and there was a whole bunch of moms and parents who were there and he was given the opportunity to turn around and like apologize to those people and he just he just couldn't even bring himself to find the words to do that because they cannot admit any liability in any of these things , which I understand they're trillion dollar companies and whatever, but the thing is you made the product this way. You made the product. The problem is not the age of the people using it, it's what they're exposed to. And that is a problem that could be solved without the government dictating these things. And even in the case of the person who said like I think that it's like I would be in favor of this because then I wouldn't get picked up, which I think is totally valid. I'm not taking issue . The thing is is a that is a very narrow view of solving problem but introducing a much bigger problem , which is the government stepping in and saying , we have to verify ages of everyone who's using these devices because when you start to play that out, what does that actually mean? It's like, no, I don't want the government involved in that. Nope, nope, nope. I'm not uploading my bank statements to Inst justagr useam. I don't want to do face ID and I don't want to upload my driver's license. I don't want to have to do these things. And that is the logical conclusion , which is again, what we said last week. I did not say that this law requires a federal database of IDs, although I promise you every government in the world would love a database of IDs. Like they would love that. But I promise you I just ask them. They probably believe in Ziya. It's fine . But I think that it is it this is a problem that is very serious and needs to be solved. The easiest way to solve it is to hold the platforms accountable for what's happening. That, that. And to be clear in the case of Chatsup and Adam Rayne Ch.uatp ate, there are chat logs that are part of the case that have come out, and Chatsupate actively discouraged him from seeking mental help , offered to help him write a note to leave , and advised him on instructions of what to do . That is horrible that is horrible and while you can't point to a person and say you wrote these words and sent it to this teenager . It is clearly the product, Chat BT that was did not have the proper safeguards to help this person, to encourage him to seek mental health. Like the fact that he discouraged him to seek mental health is abhorrent . And I think that is while the hardest example , if you look at Instagram or TikTok , you have You have much more surface level examples of that. Maybe it is bowling from person to person, kid to kid, teenager to teenager , but just the kind of content that is promoted. Like the algorithm is not a black box to the platforms . The platforms I mean, it kind of is actually. Just to be honest, they don't actually know how that is the problem. You can put safeguards, but you cannot literally hard code every possible scenario of what now I'm not saying that gives them an escape from the liability. I'm simply saying this is what you built. You built a thing that you have no idea what it's going to do in every situation . Although ironically , if you go to the Instagram Reels page there is now a your algorithm section. And you can go and actually tell it topics you are interested in or not, and it will tweak the algorithm. Now, to your point, that's not going to dictate every reel that comes your way because there's millions of them and whatever . But surely Meta could say for accounts eighteen and under under don't index so hard on these topics . Be it violence, be it discrimination, all of those things, like we need to crank that to zero as much as possible . And that's something I imagine the platforms have control over. And tangentially related, the last thing I'll say , a Patreon CEO, Jack Conti, he was on the Decoder episode earlier this week . I'm going to link it in my top five tech episode because he really speaks eloquently about the failings of social media over the last ten years , not just the bullying and you know bad content or whatever , but also the things that you wouldn't say should be outlawed, but the polarization that social media fosters just amongst people and among st their thinking and how they approach certain topics . It has largely failed people and has molded the way they think in not great ways . And those are maybe not as dangerous as some of the cases that we've talked about just now, but are still hurtful and have a negative impact on society and people. And so all that to say, we are not super supportive of the social platforms. It's like we are not defending them , but we just, I think, are trying to offer maybe there's other ways to protect teenagers , to guard them against certain content. And maybe an age verification is not the best way to do that. Yeah, I don't think young teenagers should be using social media and that's the policy I've implemented in my own home with my own children. I also don't think the government should be replacing a ban on everyone under the age of sixteen because the only way to enforce that is to check everyone's age. Right. Yeah, exactly . All right, well let's talk about something not even related, but personal tech prime day . You put prime day. I don't know. I just realized it was Prime Day and I was like, Oh, it's Prime Prime Day. I've been posting Prime Day stuff. You can get AirPods Max for four hundred dollars, the cheapest they've ever been. Yeah. That's cool. It's a great deal for AirPods Max and AirPods Pro on sale for seventy dollars off too, I think. That's it. Do you have an iPad mini ? I have a previous Jen. I am tempted because it's a little bit long in the tooth and it also has this problem where like basically if you leave it sitting out for more than seventeen hours, it just drains. It just does. . I was well, here's the thing. I posted the iPad Mini was on sale. It's four hundred dollars right now for the base iPad Mini, which is the cheapest I think iPad mini you can get ever . And I was tempted by it . I bought it , and then I canceled it because after I bought it, I was like, what am I gonna do with this thing? Ooh, see, I use mine all the time because mine has cellular and the single biggest reason I didn't want to up that it was holding me back is that I was using Google Fi and it doesn't support ESIM on those devices. Google Fi supports eSim, but it just doesn't support it on those extra devices and I switched to Mint Mobile . This is not an ad. No, it's not . But it is cheaper and it's T mobile and it's like I mean it just uses T mobile service is what I'm trying to say, which also Google Fi does . And it works. And so I did switch to that. And the only downside is to pay for like a year, but that's fine. I don't have to think about it for a year now basically, of service on it. And I wouldn't I'd be more likely to buy the new one at that price now because I could just move the service to that. But I use it. I sit at a lot of soccer games while people are warm ing up waiting. I sit in a lot of cars waiting for stuff, being able to just pull out a little iPad mini, do a couple things, read stuff, play a game of chess, watch a video, whatever. It's like it's pretty nice. In fact, if it had a better screen, see the iPad Pro at home. See, and all people were saying like, Oh, new iPad Mini is going to come out this fall. Don't buy it now. I'm like, I don't know. IPad Mini goes like eighteen years in ten leases. So I don't . I don't know about that. Side note, I will say we mentioned chess dot com. I think we talked about it in the preshow, and you just mentioned it again now. Someone on the chest. com team actually listens to the show. They're actually on the marketing team of chess dot com. I just want to throw that out there. That's pretty cool. Anyway, I'll put a link to the Prime Day deal. I put together a list. It's my affiliate links. Jason gets no money. So don't worry about that for my affiliate links . But there are some good deals there. 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