Media Acquisitions and Final Thoughts

When we look back at this time, I think we will realize that we were standing in the foothills of the singularity Welcome to Primary Technology the show about the tech news that matters. WWDC media invites went out. pllus they announced some IOS twenty seven accessibility features from Apple Vision Pro to some more Apple intntelligence. We're going to get into that. pllus Google IO is this week with a keynote. all the AI things. Google has a ton of products. We're gonna break it all down in the show. Fxs pricing changes, Gen Z still hates AI and is booing it at commencements Elon lost his case and a ton more. This episode is brought to you by Shopify, C pilot Money, Nord Layer and you. Remers to who support us directly. I'm one of your host, Stehen Robblez and join. This is always by Jason eighton. How's going, Jason It's pretty good Pretty good. prettyretty good. How's yourra doing? How's yourrapp in the? It's doing really well, Stephven. In fact, before we get started, I would like to give a shout out to you Oh, you left me one of my first reviews. Thank you very much. Reading reviews about your app that you have made is a very surreal thing. Thankfully, it's like a four point eight star app right now. So that's good. It'sically doing about as good as our podcast, which is great. There's a lot fewer reviews, but it's interesting how people use reviews to give you feedback suggestions Well, there's that and we talked it in the pre show, which if you want to listen to the pre show and get a ad free version, you have to link down in the show notes. you can listen to it all. but someone left a review on my movies on the sideide podcast saying it's a fake show. because we only have fifty reviews after eight years and I'm like, this iss not my fault. Right. Anyway. But I just think it was interesting like there are also people who will leave you a review that are like, this seems like an interesting app. I would use it if, blah blah,ah. it's like It's not a review. Thanks for your service. Iess You just said you didn't actually use it. What are you doing? I don't know.'s the thing. It' It's been super surprising. Lots of people have downloaded it and I really appreciate that Ver Vicical. All right, we' got a ton of stuff Google IO is going to be a translation interpretation a huge segment here because we got to try and talk about all the things they announced won the movie quote today'sot was actually a moie. know I quoteed. Yeah, I mean, that was Demisis Sabbas at the very end talking about something singularity. and I was like thinking It definitely sounds like something the mad scientist says at the end of like a movie, right? Like Dr. Frankenstein. By the way, when you think of Frankenstein, do you think of the Doctor or do you think of the creature You think of the creature, but that's not That friend is the name of the doctor. That's corct. It's crazy, correct. It's just this weird thing. Anway go on. move on Anyway, we're gonna get into that but yes, that was a quote, a full on quote from Google IO, which just blew my mind. They also had a couple other quotes we're going to be talking about Lard bold claims. We'll say bold claims from Google. Last week I forgot to ask about the movie quote. I said they made us too smart, too quick, and too many It is a movie I've quoted before. I did not know it, but I do know it now because I had actually looked it up after the fact when you didn't ask me. So it's from AI, which I don't think is a moie. I don't think I saw that moie Is Hay Joe Osmond Jud Love, Yeah, AI. literally. Not the future. I think, well, maybe're head towards that future. who knows. But anyway. I have some exciting news about pIins Gott to talk about. We have a couple five star reiew shouts Oh Shaughnessy from the USA. iPhone nonominant left hand front pocket so he can write with his right. Thank you is your method. This is a great show. Thank you for that. Gunt crramps from the USA. His review said, I seen a bus once. I don't know what that means, but He left a five stars. So thanks for that. And Jere M is Miz from Mexico and he did correct me. listen I have my other show now, T topop five Tech, which I do every Friday. And I highlighted a video from Cleo Abram And for some reason, my brain kept saying, Chloe And I literally had to do like five takes when I recorded that five minute show last week because I kept saying Chloe I'm sorry, it's not Chloe It is Cleo Abram. It's also not Gif, it's Giff, but move on. Okay There right there. So turnurn to the show Glenn, texting me. And he said, what does GIF stand for Do you know? Yeah, it's a graphics image format. And how you say the gene? I don't I know where you're going But the canonical evidence here is that the person who created the format says it's Jeff Yeah, now listen,ce when you create do you say the word? How do you say the animal with a really tall neck I did this. I literally just said this last week. So like a raraff. Yeah. How do you say the word of the present that you give someone at Christmas? What is that A gift Thank you. All right, thank you. Okay, a couple app shout outs. We have some wonderful listeners of the show that have some apps and we like to shout them out here at the top of the show. So real quick. The first one is a mood tracker This is from Marvin sending email It's called Inter Pulse O timee purchase. My wife actually uses apps like this to kind of like track different moods and stuff and there's lots of appptions for this but it looks great Really nicely designed, nice little graphs and stuff. So check out Mood tracker. We'll link that down in the show notes And then Hashan sent me this symphony for Apple Music. This is like a companion So if you have Apple Music, you can connect it to this app. You can browse your library in different ways. You can like get coverflow back. if you remember coverflow back in like iPod touch era Last FM integration. so that's a pretty cool app. Check that out. And also Smart Budget, which is a wallet app that also has some shortcuts actions that I'm going to be playing around with pretty soon. And so yeah, if it was looking for a Budgeting app smart budget apps in the links in the show notes. Those are fun And I yesterday continued my boond doogle of sending pins around the world, Jason. I still I have a whole b L look at all these pins I got here L these pins. Got all these pins And this medieval night riding the polar bear And so I asked last week I' trying we have a new quest Get the mediev night riding a polar bear to every continent Well, I'm pleased to announce we have five out of seven continents fully secured We have people There's not one of the seven, but we're Australia. Hansson I sent to Australia, Ian from Australia. there was are going We have Central America, Jorge from Panama. We have several yes, you do need to say it like that. Jason asked me quest you you do And I'm sending some to China. We have a listener visiting Japan next month And so send them a pin and they're going to be taking pictures of it around Japan. And we had two Two listeners in South Africa that emailed me the day the episode dropped last week. Echipo from South Africa and Andre from South Africa And yeah, pins are heading that way too. And so we now just have two More continents to go. South America and of course, Antarctica. And so if you're in South America and you listen to the show email me is right in the show notes And let me know where you are. I'll get one to you And then if you have like A grandma going to Antarctica on a cruise or something or if you know someone, you know, doing the Drake passage and is going to be heading down there, or you have you know a scientist, family or friend that works down there something, I want it I want the polar bear. I mean in Antarctica, it would befect. although there's no polar bears there because nothing lives there, but you know what I mean? Like in Antarctica I think'd feel like that would be perfect So I'm excited Let's do. We have listeners all over the world, Jason. My children, my sons and I had a really interesting conversation. It wasn't that interesting. But yesterday about Antarctica because they were wanting to know like Is it a country? I said, Well, it's a continent and they're like, but is it also a country? I said, Well, they don't have a government And they said, Well, like, who's in charge? I'm like, That's a really good question. and I don't know who it is. but I don't think anyone lives there, so it doesn't actually matter. Well, and we all just agree not to fight over it Right. The scientists are there. We've all agreed We're going to leave theenguins alone because honestly, my boys think the penguins would win if you tried to take over because they are used to the cold and we are not I thought you were going say because they've seen the penguins movie which Madagascar. No, they just think the penguins are much more well equipped to survive whatever might happen That is true. I listen, I'm always fascinated by Actica Chloe Abram video I linked in T top five Tcho See, I did it again. Oh my s. Ceo Abram. Her video is amazing because they've actually studied the lakes under the ice in Antarctica and I don't want to spoil it, but her video is incredible. It's basically like national geographic level documentary. And so you should check that out. But I'm also listened to the Omnibus podcast where they talk about The like huge machine bulldozer type treadded vehicle that they tried to bring to Antarctica like in the sixties or whatever And it was a whole boondogle as well. I'm always fascinated by it. So Let us know if you or someone you knows is going to Antarctica, I will send you like ten pins just to like, well, don't leave it there. Hand them out to the penguins that's That's it. D' don't make sure they don't stab themselves but you hand them out to the penguin We'd love to do that. All right. Media invites for WW has gone out And you know, we already knew the dates of Dub Dub, but this is when Apple actually makes official. The keynote is going to be on Monday, june eighth. the platform say of the Union after that And the media invites went out. I'm happy to report that I got an invite and also sad to report Jason did not. I'm sorry, Jason. Yeah, somebody asked if I was gonna to go as a journalist or an app developer at this point' not going to go. Well, because the app developer, you had to have applied a long time ago You did. The app developer and that's a lottery. You're not guaranteed even if you're a developer. I know lot of people. so Unfortunately it will just be one of us again at WW. I'm still hold not how. I'll cross my fingers next year One day We need to record in person in their podcast week. I did email them and I was like, do you know who I am? And they're like they're like They're like Google me. They're like, no, I don't have a cl who you are. Leave us alone. Google me So I will be there in person. I did get an invite and I'll be recording from the podcast studio and Jason will be rooming again. so I'll be you know, reporting all week The tagline for WW is coming b up And everyone is trying to read the tea leaves that this little animation in the Swift logo is maybe that's the new Siri animation We'll see, we're all going to know in like two weeks and it'll all be I just I also think it's interesting we talk about this a little bit in the next Mac Power users, but Apple just, you know, they're just using AI. And you know, for a long time, Apple tried really, really hard to make machine learning the term that everything was machine learning And all this stuff the serie did was machine learning And then they were like screw it. just everything's a Well, but for them, AI means Apple intelligence Well, yeah, but like They just use the acronym, the two letters AI now, and I think they just let people interpret it how they want. You know sureure, but I bet you did if you ask them It means Apple intelligence know what I'm gonna ask and when'm there Jason, I'm going sayy, what is I mean in this newsroom What does it stand? be about I'm just curious. Now I was twenty seven, actually, there's some official features for accessibility that have come out or announced and we want to get into that because it does there are some clues there, I think to what we'll see at WW But we have to talk about Ble I. Google IO is the huge event. As we record, it happened yesterday and Google announced One thousand things, one thousand things. manyany of them do things like the other things. and there's just a lot of things. And so the quote from the top of the episode, is literally from the keynote. It closed the keynote And they said, when we look back at this time I think we will realize that we were standing in the foothills of the singularity That statement Wild I don't know like The singularity in like astrophysics terms is like what's in the middle of a black hole and maybe the beginning of the universe. I don't know, But Google is using it to refer to AGI, I believe, artificial general intelligence Yeah and they said that. they said that too They can' even do' the ones that are still saying which I thought was interesting The what's the presenter's name at the end You Demisis Sabis? Yes He was the one that said like AGI is coming And so I think it's interesting that opening out Microsoft They've now like let that go by the wayside and they're not really talking about AGI and it's not even part of their agreement anymore. And Google' over here like, nah, it's here, bro. We're at the foothels of the singularity. That you know, it does sound like if you say that more with kind of like a maybe I'm high qu, you know like a dumb and dumber, we're at the foothels of the singularity, bro. I think that fits better. mean nothing like that Foothels of the singularity is definitely up , That's pretty good. That is good album or maybe it's a band name There was that quote, and there was also this quote. Our mission, this is quoting from the Google keynote, Dennis Sabas, is to reimagine the drug discovery process with the goal of one day solving all disease Google literally saying they're going to solve all disease with AGI We're back to big promises, Jason. This is like big I said this to you beforehand and the thing is, looking at this entire list of all of the things that got announced, most of which are Slightly different versions of the same things that got announced and also last year, same things, right? Like they just keep And Google is notorious for renaming things that they've already announced. And so then you don't realize that is this a new thing or is this just a new name for this other thing? Or is it the other thing and it's a slightly new version of it. So they decided to change the name. Remember when Gem and I used to call Like it's all very confusing Looking through this entire list, it is like The thought that kept occurring to me is Well, if anyone pull off All of this stuff It's definitely Google. For one, they have all of the technology. They have Demis Sasabas who is like the gofather of AI, right? When you if we're going I think we're going to talk about it later, but when you look through the cononversations that were happening that were revealed during the Musk versus Altman trial. you realize Almost all of the early conversations were about people terrified of Genesis Aus because he was like he was the guy. Everyone knew. and they just figured he was going to rule it all. And now he got on stage today and said, I'm ruling it all. This is my kingdom. You are all just my pwns. But Google is like the company you're like definitely could pull this off. And also Google is a company that you're like They might forget about all of this tomorrow There is literally a website called Killed by Google. Yeah with a graveyard of all the things Google. And a lot of the stuff, Google announced isre like coming this summer. And so it's like, okay, what? Okay, we'll see So let's let's get into. I mean To be honest, we're having little fun here because it just feels like Google It's a little high on their own supply. Maybe you could say it does feel like There's a bit of Anyway, yeah that Yeah. But they know some interesting things. And because Google, like you're saying, has all the things like Google Docs to search to everything They can do some fun stuff. So like Google Docs Live is a feature that Soon Arbura Chi showed up And he's basically like, listen, you can talk at your phone. And because Google has your email and it has all your search and everything and personal intelligence They say have this example where someones like, Hey I'm giving a talk at my high school or whatever So pull my resume from Google Docs, pull the email from the school from Gmail, and I want to talk about this and that and this. Remind me to tell the story about how I got into that and bold that And it'll just like create this Google Doc with the whole outline and the tables and like I mean that That is nice. and that's something where Maybe Claude Coer could do that today, like if you gave it access to a document or a folder on your Mac and it had context for whatever. But I think the promise that Google is is espousing is like, well, if you just L Google already knows it all So you can just add you can just talk to Google Docs and it'll make this doc for you quQality of the dock and the content always remains to be seen. That's kind of like the litmus test is's like, would I use this out of the box? How much editing does it take Cool it does it It's also interesting that we're now at a phase where Google has stopped trying to pretend like Your data is yours and it's sacred and secret. And they're literally just saying what we all knew is true, which is, listen, we already know everything about you. We have access to all of your information, all of your data, and all of your files. So why don't you just let us do something useful with it Yeah. And I mean, if it is useful and you would use it all the time if you're having to make presentations or docs about stuff constantly. likeike, yeah, sure They also announceced Google Omni and they have like teeen different. like generative tools. like there's Google Flow, there's Google Pics we're gonna to get into, Google Omni And it did feel like we're going to talk a little bit about the does Gen Z hate AI because we had a great email from a listener who's Gen Z, who graduated a couple of years ago But it did feel like such a juxtaposition between how people are booing AI, an ex Google CEO at a commencement talking about AI And Google in this keynote was like You can generate anything from anything. Like that's literally what they say. Like you can generate anything. You can give Google Omni a photo, a video, a prompt, and it can make whatever you want. It can make videos, images, audio, music And so they're just full on being like, hey Generate everything and even putting these tools into things like YouTube, so creators can make shorts just Have ay, do it And it's like, Okay I guess. I mean, the idea would be you could take a video of this keynote or of a person just standing up and giving a talk. You could video yourself giving a speech and then you could feed it into omni and be like, make me the keynote to go with this. Right. Like really. Yeah, and they showed like lots of manipulation type things of like there a guy walking along a wall and then they made it look like a sci fi thing and then made it look like change the scene. and like I guess they're going after filmmakers or maybe like independent video type businesses who don't have the budget to do that with visual effects and like the expensive way. And so maybe you could just have AI do it and if it's good enough, okay I guess I don't know either. But I don't know if they I don't know if they know either. I don't know that they know who they're going after. I think it's like technology cool Anybody Is it David Pierce? who's like, Is this a thing? Is this put it all out there. But I do I also think there are a lot of people generating stuff. I mean, I see so much stuff on social media now where it's like, is this is a This is This is a, you know, it's just like real after real. And things that I even have to I give my in laws and other people like send me stuff and they ask me like, is this real? Is this real? I'm like no not real Which to that point, there was a large portion of in the Google E Okino where they talked about C two PA tagging And they basically said everything generated with AI from Google's toools will be tagged And so there's going to be C twoPA and you can even see the data that it was captured with X. So if you took a video from your Google Pixel phone. It'll say this video was taken on Google Pixel and then edited with Google Omni. or it was manipulated with this. And so they're also rolling that out to Google seearch and Chrome at large And they even got partners Open AI have agreed to play nice, Cacao and eleven labs to say this was generated like they're all going to tag and label their stuff which I think is good. likeike that's a positive move. M of these players are going to clear when their stuff is tagged. And you'll be able to I thought this was cool. Ask Chrome Is this AI So if you see a post, you're browsing the web in Chrome or you come across an image or video. You can literally right click and just say, is this AI? And it will tell you, this was generated either by Google or by open AI and whether That metadata carries through the pipeline. You know if someone generates something with Google Omni, brings it into Premiere, exports it from a media encoder, and then I don't know if you can strip thatata I don't know the technical side well enough. Hopefully it stays through that whole process. I do think that was a positive move I mean, all you literally have to do is screen record a video Like make a video of a video Or screenshot a photo. Like this is nothing. It's a good point. This is literally nothing. Also the only place where this matters I should't say it's literally nothing It is slightly more than Okay, But it is not a meaningful thing at this point. This is this is mostly the AI companies trying to What is what is the phrase like greenwashing? right? This is essentially greenwashing AI where it's like U yes, we pollute things, but also we buy credits for carbon, whatever O like so what this is essentially doing is we've created a standard so that we'll be able to identify fake content so that the tools we're making so that everyone can make fake content are fine. Or you could maybe just not make those tools that are going to cause a huge problem down the road because here's thei, the only scenario where this matters is is meta. Because what needs to happen is every time you upload a video that is tagged in this way, a giant red keyline needs to appear around the video and there a watermark needs to say, not real, not real because you just describe the conversations you have with people wanting to know, is this real? and they're not going to right click in Chrome to find out who was taken out of pixel and whatever That's the only scenario where this matters is will Meta adopt this? and will Ma make it very clear? and I promise you, they won't Because the single most useful thing to matter right now, is millions and millions of people generating endless amounts of fake content to put on there that'll keep people engaged That is true. I was happy to read from our listeners that they also think instance is stupid The met are absolutely more It's so db I guess That is a point. like whether the AI disclosure is proactive versus upon request, I think does make a big difference because if someone is scrolling reels they're not going to like tap and hold and say, is this AI and then wait for it to think about it and then look at it? That's not going to happen Now, if And TikTok I think is the only platform that allows has this. There is like a slider in the TikTok settings for like how much AI content you want. And you can literally turn that slider down. It doesn't reveal what's AI. It's just saying you can have less of it. You can't have none You can't move that slider all the way to zero. But you can, you know, choose the amount of AI This tagging can then lead into that But it is a setting you have to manage anyway We'll see. still we're still long way away from whether tagging and all of this has a meaningful effect. I did look up greenwashing by the way quQuoting from Google AI overview Greenwhing is the deceptive marketing practice of presenting a company, product or serviceices more environmentally friendly or sustainable than it truly is Wh is. I think that fits pretty well.. This is AI slap washing, basically. It's like There it is A slap washing. Yeah Okay, so they also known Google Gemini three point five flash, which is better than everything. It's better than the current pro versions. That's available, I think in the Gemini app and web and it'll be rolling out moreore to more people soon, even on the freet tier. So that's flash Anti gravity two point zero which is soony names, but Google Anti Gravity is like the developer platform And so they're going to have Nicer desktop app Agent first, that was one thing I got from this keynote is like agent, just that like everything agent. It's all agents Like Google said, there's going be agents in search There's agents in anti gravity. Gemini Spark is literally a personal AI agent which we're going to get to, B like, everythingthing's an agent. And so anti gravity, also, agent first I guess what that means is I don't know they mean I gu means like you just talk to the agent and then he does things. Well, they do things. excuse there you go Yeah, and I guess to try to just parse this out for people, right? Gemini we all know what the models are. Gini the Gemini three point five flash is supposed to be faster than Gemini three point pro or whatever and it's way more efficient. They made the comment about like saving you billions of dollars and I'm like, that You're not going to save me billions of dollars because I don't haveill billions of dollars to save. right Exactly. But okay, cool, that's great.re you know, you have you're trying to explain this Anti gravity is sort of the equivalent of like codex or Coud code ish sort of, right? But where it's focused on spinning up agents that will then do this stuff for you and then Spark, which you're going to get to is kind of like Cork ish type thing. Yeah Yeah. And so it's hard because and anti gravity is actually not new They announced this last year Theyve made it clear that this is version two point zero. so it's, you know, more accur. This was literally they built the Gemini Mac app using antigravity internally So Yes. And the idea is it's like a standalone desktop application built around orchestrating agents. And the thing about agents is You know, I was I obviously have an app in the app store. You can download it. It's called contxtly, I'd love it if you do that. But anyway, I link below. I wanted to make a change to something. And so I typed it into clog code. and it's like Great, here's what I'm gonna do Agentne is gonna to do this. Agent two is gonna to do. I'm like, whoo are these agents? Where arere you sending in ninjas to like fix part of my code? L So most of the time we don't even think about Now you could also create agents like people are doing like open cllaw or whatever. like you can set these things up to be running all the time. but for most so agent orchestration is, I don't think a consumer feature. No, no, no. it is yeah. And that's actually what like Perplexia compputer talks about doing is We're going to orchestrate all the models and agents, whatever So's if you're a developer. I think Gemini Spark is one of the more interesting things, which It's always it's hard to parse like during the keynote. like where does this live? Like does this live in the Gemini app? Is this like a different app? Is this on the web And so Unclear, but Gemini spark is kind of like the claoud coowork, like you were saying of Google So it is a quote unquote personal AI agent. takes actions on your behalf But the big difference is it runs on virtual machines twenty fourty seven And so it's not dependent on your computer being on and active to run your task. Even like Sundar Pachi said from the stage, like you can close your laptop which I've been seeing memes all over world. That was a direct like speaking to the people who are standing on the sidelines of kids soccer games with their laptops open because they agents Exactly. I've even seen like accessories now where you put it in the USB port or the HDMI port of your laptop to like so you can close the lid, but the laptop stays on and And it's because people want their agents like doing stuff. There's nothing your agents are doing that is important enough that you can't just close your laptop every once in a while Like seriously, what are they doing? Are they like arere they coding So what? It'll just pick up when you open the thing I know, but It is nice to say like I don't even have to think about that. It all happens in the cloud Of course, whatever the agent is working on also has to be in the cloud. And I think that is a fundamental shift of like, you know, Clauded Cowork on my Mac My Mac has to be on because it's working on things on my Mac locally. And like Claed, you know, it's communicating to the Claud servers, clloud, but like it's doing stuff with the files on my computer or whatever, using some MCP server But Google is very much taking the position of like everything happens in the cloud. And so when you use Gemini Sark, like it's doing stuff up there And then you can come back to it, whatever And I did think it was interesting they use an iPhone for the Spark demo, which obviously everything's on purpose, but like I thought that was interesting U and it's also going to be coming to like Chrome And basically they said Chrome will be an AI browser whichich it had AI features already, but I think this is another shot at like Perplexity Comment or Chjity Atlas, which I haven't heard anythingy about Atlas in like the last three months But that Chrome will have Sark and then it will be just be able to do stuff for you And then Android Halo which is the agents will be on your phone Spark is like Gemini agents in the cloud doing stuff up there. and then Android Halo if you have an Android device is going to be agents doing stuff on your phone which is different than Gemini task automation is also Jven I doing stuff on your phone So Hopefully that's totally glared. Hopefully that's also Definitely not letting agents do things Yeah, I mean, a let I mean, order Starbucks for you. If it could do it well Let's talk about this for one second, Se No, no, like I want to just I want to just poke at the premise here How hard is it to order Starbucks? I mean, you can do it with shortcuts. You can do it with shortcuts. Also, you could do it by opening the app and tapping on reorder my last thing. I don't understand like how complicated people's lives. hold on, how complicated People's lives sky I don't believe that these are even close to the use cases. They keep talk. everyveryone wants to talk about. I actually heard on the recap from the Verge. like ye, they talked about you can use it to plan an event like your wedding. I'm like, no No, you won't. You will not use an agent to plan your wedding Right No you won't. This is like self driving cars. Some people actually like to drive cars Sure. So here's the scenario And I actually did a video, I'll put in the show notes where runun Gemini task automation on a Samsg Galaxy S twenty six, which you could do right now with Starbucks Doorash and Uber, I believe Starbucks is the most useful I find it. But the scenario that I think it would be useful for someone like me is if we ever do a road trip We're gonna hit a Starbuck somewhere And if I'm driving, Like, yes, I can hand my phone to my wife, which hand your phone to your wife. Yes, she could sometimes, she might be asleep. Like this literally happened on the way back from the beach yesterday.'s like she was asleep She didn't want anything from Starbucks. The kids gonna to get stuff T be able to just like talk to the phone and get all the orders with the customizations right So I don't have to look at the phone and I can then just order it. That's one scenario where it's like Okay, that's There's some value there Now, yes, it is slow. I would never like sit at home and do that. Like it would be much faster for me to tap around on the app personally There might be scenarios if you're walking down the street, no, you're not going to do that walking down the street in New York City. You You're just gonna to tap on the app Yeah, I just think. I think that unless it is fast the shortcuts thing is the only good option at this point because it's actually faster It is fast Right. It's just because you can set it up and be like make a shortcut of my favorite order and you just run the shortcut and it' just then you show up and there's a drink rating for you, right? That's different than Did it get didid it hear me? Is it doing it? Like I just don't think that I don't know. I don't feel like this is a problem that actually needs to be solved. It just makes a good demo. It makes a good demo. I mean, if it expands You know, right now it's only in three apps If we're to expand and be able to do other things Like if you could tell it You know, create a project in Asuna and create these tasks, assign it to these people. Like if you could just kind of stream of consciousness talk to your phone and they take all those actions on your behalf and it's actually accurate. So when you get to the office, You then don't have to like go through all that. tedious work of creating the projects and the tasks, whatever the talk is done. Maybe. And it's actually accurate. That's a really important thing you just G glaze right past. but I will I will say de advoc kate Whenever I did a customize Starbucks order, if it could get those right with Stevia packets. Upsside down caramel Machchiato. likeike he' got all of that. and that's a lot of little dropdowns. that's gotta click. I'm just saying H's I just figured it out In two thousand seven Yeah. Steve Jobs got up on a stage and introduced theiPhone And then he pranked called to Starbucks He said, I'd like to order four thousand lattes. Hh, just kid never mind and he hung up the phone. That's right. And Google's like What if an agent pranked called Starbucks for you and ordered four thousand lattes on your behalf? You just shout at the phone. you don't even It's likeatis fun. Steve Jobs is living rent free in all of these tech executives heads. You know, that's a good point. Yeah Well, there's a bun of other stuff last thing and then we're going to get to like universal cart and more Gemin stuff. but Google talked about a seamless AI search experience So again, like the whole theme of the keyote was just injecting AI into all the things as much as possible And so for Google search They're going to do search agents So not only can Google search like if you search for something, it will Send agents out there and do stuff for you And you can check for updates, which I think is a useful task. This would be like scheduled tasks in Claud or whatever You could say Check the availability of movie tickets for Odyssey from this theater for every hour and let me know when there's some available So we can do those kind of repeated automated tasks because it lives in the cloud That's cool They even said they're putting anti gravity in search because they want you to be able to, if you have a question about black holes to when you ask the question, Anti gravity and Google search will literally Build visuals for you Like in real time And so the demo that they gave was like, What happens if two black holes like circle each other And there was literally an interactive visual where you can adjust the slider for separation and for mass and it is showing you this animation of these two black holes around each other with an explanation. Again, I will say, That's kind of cool When my kids have a question about time and I'm ready to give a really long winded answer that they don't care about I can Do this and like show a visual wr. just Google our kids Well, I don't let's Google it together I'm going to turn on screen mirroring, We'll throw up on the Apple TV and we'll have to do that. Like That is that's cool Now Most of the time, the examples like that you see from these kind of AI search stuff is like black holes for some reason. I feel like black holes is like a common trope like, show we how Blackole works How that goes to like, how do I make a chicken Parmesan I'm not sure what kind of real time slider visualization iss going to use like a breadcumb and cheese slider. L what happens? What happens when I drag that cheese slider all the way to the right? I'm not sure what it does there. Cool idea But it's just AI and everything. Yeahither It is funny that the two demos that they all w to do at Google is book you a flight and show you how a bllack hole works. It's like where are you guys booking flights to? Like what is it about the center of the universe? This is how a bllack hole works. Would you like me to book you a flight to the closest one? Like no I'm good. Thank you very much. I don't I've read Icarus. I'vead Icaris. I know what happens there It is interesting though, the This has already basically happened All just letting it happen This is the most sure example of Google just wants you to only use one website Go to Google. com for literally everything and we never want to send you to anywhere else. And it's like and we're all just allowing that to happen. And that's, I think a net negative across the board. likeike Google super useful. Where did it get all of that useful information from A bunch of websites that are just not going to exist anyore. through I will say though, like I think they are fighting still whole of these The other AIs, namely ChWBT and Claude in the search department, like My daughter She wants a buddy And I know nothing about bunnies. I don't know about you, Jason. Well you had a bunny when was a child Wellious it don't that long.reight. Obviously that's still running around Did you enjoy the buny? Just out of curious? I did not enjoy cleaning out the cage. I would not encourage anyone to get a buny see that I would encourage your daughter to have a friend buy the bunny And then you can go over and play with the bunny. It's kind of like being an uncle. You don't have to you don't have to bathe the children or feed them or put them to bed. You just get to hang out with them and do cool things. My brother will like text us and be like, Hey Does your youngest want to go to a lions game? Yeah. Wow. But you know what? he's like, I don't have to deal with the sugar rush afterward. That's the thing. Well, it's like it's better to know someone with a boat than to only Absolutely. You know what I mean Sow away She she's probably gonna get a bunny because she wants a bunny. Like she already has a friend with a bunny and that's why she wants a bunny. So like the bunny's probably happening. That ship is safe I know nothing about Bunny Breeds. I couldn't have told you a bunny breed two days ago bunny breed And so she said last night, can we do some research on bunnies That is sure. And so I handed her my phone with Claudo and I didn't really give her any instructions. I was like, All right, G and ask some questions First of all, I always think it's interesting. number like Step one She just started talking to it She didn't try typing to it And she has an op like, she types plenty, but she was like, she's just gonna to talk to this thing. So she tapped the voice mode and she just started talking to it And she just has it a bunch of questions She has it for pictures She asked like the breeds and like friendliness and all this kind of stuff And she was just talking to claw about the bunnies Now, if I would have handed her the Gemini app, she would have just used that or the Chatupee app, She she would have just used that. But I do think there is a like You know, whatever your preference is, like These all do fairly well. And so Google maybe is trying to differentiate leveraging all the data it has about you playing that into personersal intelligence saying we'll even build you an interactive visual I think they're having to compete because I think it is still We're still in a competitive market. like they haven't won just yet I mean, they've won for many years. Google seearch has been the default for many years and this has been the first few year span where they've been challenged in this department where people are not always going to Google to search bunny breeds They try I think they're try to get back into it Yeah what you say? Well, Google doesn't care because it doesn't That particular set of sure you could do that on Google. likeike it'll just give you an. But you weren't going to Goole to buy a bunny Yeah, sure, but They sure could have shown you ads for whatever person is getting the bunny breed keyword. The bunny breed buyer. You know, and that is and that is the thing. likeike that is still the the core of Google's business is the ads business. I still need to be able to show you the ads And so they need you there. They need you on the Google search because that's what people pay for and I don't know what that means for like anti gravity building you a visualization of a bunny and whether or not I think that' not necessary. But what it would do is like Build you a spin up an app in real time. in your search that then monitors The local bunny farm has a countown on their website telling you when the next breed is going to be born. and Google will just check that every day and then it will send you a notification when the bunnies are ready. Jim and I spark Build a rabbit agent. No, not rabbit agent. I said rabbit agent. R. You're gonna to get the scariest bunny that you could possibly. Why is my bunny up rabies? So red eyes, these red eyes. All right, there's so much more. Google cart is coming in. Jason's thoughts on that. Plus we still have, believe it or not more Google stuff to get to flow and the audio glasses Before we do, we're going to thank our friends. We have a few friends today and I want to thank those at co pilot money. 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I link is in the show notes, prrimary technology ten, or thank to Nord Layer. for sponsoring this episode All right, more Google stuff Google cart. Yes have't thoughts on Google cart. Google said Universal cart is like your cart everywhere, whatever you want to buy if it's on YouTube, if it's in Gmail You can it's all the things. This isn't well, there's and there was There are three different pieces to this. One is a protocol. They had to get everybody on board with a protocol. That's fun. So here's so I do want to say one thing about that. What this means is This is distinct from I think the demo you showed where like your phone is actually tapping around on the Starbucks app on its own. That's not this in some ways what Google is saying, I'm sorry, that's too hard Right? So this universal commerce protocol, whatever they called it, is essentially like it's basically just an API between Target and Walmart and Google and all these places so that they can communicate. And I think Google said they have like sixty billion items and it's basically a big My SQL database with a bunch of stuff in it that they can just like, oh you click you want this? Okay. So there's that piece of it. Then there's this payment processing piece of the whole thing which is kind of insane. This agent payments protocol, which is this multi layered thing that is too confusing to really get into, but basically think about What would be required to unleash agents with your credit card on the internet What could go Just think about that right? And Google explains it in a way that I'm sure is Right but it's basically like You know, you have to have the user tell the agent or ye tell the agent what they want and the agent has to find it and put it into a cart and then the merchant has to be like, yep, I agree. I sign this. in the reason that this all matters is like what happens if Tilet paper shows up at your house and you're like I didn't want this. Why is there I forget. did not justust because one time on Instagram I liked a photo of people canoeing did not mean buy it for me, right? Wait a minute. So So what goes wrong? Who's responsible for that Right likeike when that happenens. so they had to build all of this stuff and And the the The conclusion of that is this thing called universal Cart, which basically means If you're on Goog If you're in Gemini If you're on YouTube or if you're in mail, you can literally just start adding things to a cart, Google polds And then you can look at the cart and be like, yep, I w want to buy this. and it'll just go out and be like, oh, this only has four items left and it's on sale. So let me put a coupon code in there for you. And you can either finish the transaction in Google's Universal cart or you can go to the merchant R go ahead And it'll also proactively be like, oh, your Aix, if you buy it with your Aix, you get three percent off or whatever Yes. Well, that was the most interesting thing. It's like, yes, if you use this card that we know is in your wallet, you'll write this many points. I'm like, o, I get why Google's doing this Yeah and there's no Comany on earth more willing to pay money for this sort of thing than American Express. literally when I worked at a previous publication And that publication wrote about credit cards. The reason they did is an affiliate link from a credit card was like seven hundred dollars. Yeah, something cra that they would pay's like, oh now I know why the MX pllatinum card has a eight hundred dollarars m. That's why all your travel influencers They hawk credit cards. Yeah, they get paid. Yeah. big time paid. anyyway If you buy Magsae charer for me, my Amazon affili revenue is like one cent. Yeah. So that's yeah. The reason Steven has to push them so much is he needs a billion people to buy them. I love look at thater. I love Maga. look at all these Magsae batter. I actually can I say my son had a birthday party the other day And he's turned seventeen. and so like all his friends are like teenagers and most of them had iPhones. Did that ever tell you the story? Yeah, you did last week, but it's not for today again. No. You gave way make sa. I realized Yeah, I did yeah. I started to tell stories I like goh shoot, I neverready said this. Never mind, you listen to last wee' epise Right It's good good, good promotion there. anyway. Wait, so you' saying theiversal No no idea. Okay. No, yeah. the point is if you're in Gmail and you see a thing, you can just be like, add this to my car. Or you're on YouTube and Steven is talking about a magaze battery pack add this to my car. The problem is, think about this You're not getting your Amazon affiliate with that happenens That is true. Yeah. unless they go Well and They didn't show Amazon in those demos. So Amazon is a partner with the first of the things that I talked about, which is the protocol . The Universal commomermerce Potocol Walmart, Amazon, Target, Shopify, all these people are a part of that. But that just basically means like We' all share information about this sort of thing. They'll probably share their items so they show up in search, but then to check out, I imagine you have to go to Amazon I mean, I don't, I don't know, but the point I think the whole reason Google's doing this is rightight now Google is the default place that someome number of people go when they're looking to buy things, right? That's why shopping is such a huge thing. And it's the simplest thing to monetize because it's like a transaction. and for The rest of humanity, Aaz you just go to Amazon when you're looking for something, right? And Google's like, well, we need to capture all of this and we just want to be the default place and we actually don we actually don't even want you to go to target d. com. We just want you to come here, put the allta stuff in your universal car and we'll deal with the rest of it we'll see. We'll see. I don't I don't use Google Hey or really a shop or anything. But you do have to be using Google Wallet Wh I don't use Google. All right, we try to jamamp through this, but there was more generative stuff like Google picks Again, it's AI, altering images, doing stuff, which Looked kind of cool, honestly, like resizing subjects within a photo and then overlaying text. like All those flyers that people put like that make for schools or like small groups, like maybe maybe they'll look better now becausecause you could use Google Picks That's fun. U flow for like more video generation and They also said something about you can create your own Creative apps. with AI in flow And they basically show like a marketplace of apps So it looked like, you know, if you wanted to create your own creative tool for whatever, like you want a specific tool to covers You can vibe Vibe code, but without the coding, like vibe prrompt. I want a tool that does this And then you could just do it. And then there'll be a marketplace of the tools that everybody's built Kind of interesting That seems kind of wild also. like I guess it'd be like custom GPT's almost, where there was like a marketplace of Hyper specialized GPTs, but I don'tway, there's that Yeahah music you to generate everything. Generate all the things. You just described a bunch of things that also sound a lot like a bunch of other things that Google has, like Google Ps and Google Photos. And then there's like a video thing that's not VO, but there's still VO. still v But there's also this flow app thing, but also couldn't you have anti gravity de L I don't understand, Stepen. It's all all the things are all the things All right, well and at the end of the keynote, I didn't want to get to this was they announced audio glasses And so last year, Google IO, which you were there for, there was the, which we didn't really say. You didn't make it out to Google. I didn't go because I'm going to Montreal Right you know, I think I feel like maybe that was a better choice. The actual real reason I didn't go is Kid graduating in about a week in a halfime. And so the number of things that are we're actually recording this podcast a day early because tomorrow morning I have a thing to do. and I had to change a flight to go to Madreal to a different day Because our daughter did her homework for the last thirteen years and so we have to go to a little ceremony because w Wow. Yeah, that's it. Well congratulations. She's graduating with honors. so there we go. There you go, that's awesome. So Goo the audio glasses. Last year you got to try the Google glasses where there was a display in the lens. Yes. And now Google is like, no, this is all audio Audio glasses will have Gemini built in and it can just talk to you all day. all day battery life It still has a camera so you can like take pictures, but it won't show you anything on a display and Okay One, I thought, wow, this would be great if AirPods and an iPhone can do this because it's exactly the same thing And if AirPods have the camera, like we were rumored last week, like yeah, just talk to Apple intntelligence to do this kind of stuff It also had they had like, well, first of all, Warby Parker, Gentle monster. They're making very nice looking glasses I or at least they say' a nice looking ne look fine. I wear Warby Parker. But they even say like you can get directions. And I'm like, you know, that we know it's really helpful when you get directions is like seeing where to go. Yeah. So like yes, the audio telling you to turn left or turn right is fine, but I feel like you're going to want to see an arrow on a screen or pointing in a direction. So I feel like audio only glasses. I don't know how that And then at the end of the demo, they werere like, we're going to take a photo And I'm going to have Jemin I put a blimp in the background. and make the whole photo cartoon imagery a quill Why are you even taking the picture? Like why don't you just prompt it to like make a like AI generate a photo of a crowd with a blimp over it If you're going to and that was the other thing of like it feels very much that Google' is trying to get you to like AI all the things, like even a real photo that you're taking with like physical glasses of real people. likeike you know what? Let's AI that too. Let's just put a blimp in the background For no reason, so I feel like the movie clip today should have been like Robin Williams arguing with the GPS in the movie RV where he just keeps like telling it, turnurn left, turn left. Do you really you know what I do the first time I get into a car and I hook up like I turn off the audio part of the navigation. I just want to see it on the screen. I do not ever want it talking to me. I don't have m talking to me either. And this is literally what if you couldn't see anything and we just shout at you Turn left, turn left. I don't want that I't want it Steven. It's bad Now they close the well, they closed the keyote with those wild quotes, which I already stated I do want to say one thing that I would love to see Apple be able to do something like this with Apple intelligence, because I just don't know it will ever happen But they talked about how weather nextext, which is one of their like AI models was used to help better hurricane tracking. and forecasting And there was a massive hurricane that hit Jamaica last year and Google's Weather next was part of the tools that was used for like early warning And I think even like the governor, the mayor in Jamaica talked about how it helped them be able to pr you know share warnings earlier, which literally saved lives And that's the thing is like because one, they should have like opened the keynote with this kind of stuff. like Tell the stories of like why AIs can be useful right now. And like the fact that you saved lives because of hurricane prediction models using your AI, like that's cool. L that's unequivocally impressive. And like that's the kind of like Apple Watch stories you hear at the beginning of Apple Kynotes. Do that at the front. You know, frrame it like that. Because when I saw that part of the keynote, I was like, man Google gets to say Our technology is being used outside our walls by weather forecasters and is making a difference in the real world And I thought back to Apple and like I wasm excited I get to go to WW. All the rumors are that Apple intntelligence is going to be, you know, bigger announcements there, Sies going to get better The one thing Apple is not going to be able to say Is that like our AI technology will be used to do X, Y or Z out in the world because they just don't have And they're so much so that they are literally using Google's AI to power Apple intntelligence And we're going to probably see that at WW And like I understand That's just not where they're at. like they're making the devices that all people are using the AI on. Like they're making all the Mac minis and all the laptops that people are using it. And there's literally an iPhone seventeen P in the Google keynote using Google Spark. And like Apple is making the hardware that all of this stuff is running on It would also be nice if Apple could say like we're making tool for the outside world to use because our software or our compute is so good that we are making that difference. Maybe they don't need to do that But that was a moment in the Google Kino where I was like, wow That's cool That's a cool thing And when we get to the accessibility features, I actually had a lot of socialia people on social media were like This is what AI should be used for let it help someone who's visually impaired. tell what's front of them and let AI be able to talk to them about it. L those are cool use cases. And Apple is doing that, to be clear, we're going to talk about that in a second, but it was kind of cool to hear Google and the weather thing mean weather I mean, this was their Apple watchatch, right That's ye Yeah, exactly. That's like their Apple watchatch story. whether or not it will cure all disease probably TBD TBD A you had a great article last Google thing before we go to I was twenty seven. We talked about the Google book last week, but I'll also link to your ink article Usually, listen, this seems like a shorter headline for you, but I do think it's great. The Google book doesn't make any sense. I don't under I spent a lot of time thinking about this, Deven and I don't understand I don't understand the Google book. And the same thing is true with Spark is basically like coopilot, right? Like I don't under I just can't figure out what're and except when you think about the fact they are not making. They are trying to get other people to make nicer chromebooks, and they realized that if anyone was going to take them seriously, they needed a new name and put a glowy thing on them and then they have a Google Book. I just, I mean, it's a terrible name, but it's a bad name. I can definitely see them marketing like you can run your Gemini Spark agent on your Google book to do something you could just close your laptop. But they also just said in this keynote you could do that with your current laptop. I mean, but can you just imagine like, hey Acer, Lenova. could you make And would you put R name on it too? L at least when there's a Chrome book, it just is like, oh, it's Chrome. Yeahah, obviously every Lenovo laptop runs Chrome. But now it's like, hey, what if we called it a Google book and you made it? It's like Okay, I don't know. I just not understand. All right, so Iow was twenty seven Apple has done this the last few years And they announced the accessibility features coming with the next software early So they actually unveiled the actual features accessibility features coming with IowS twenty seven And they said a lot of them were using Apple intntelligence And it was they have a really cool video I sharered on social media Basically voiceover, which can help someone who's visually impaired see what's in front of them And like this is great uses of AI. like you can Point your iPhone, use the action button or program something else and say, what is this document I'm looking at? So this person got something in the mail, it's a bill And Apple intntelligence can like interterpretive for them. They have like two shirts on the bed and they want to choose the right one. they say which is the plain one, which is the plain white one. And your iPhone can tell you it's the one on the left. It's the one on the right or where's my keys? So like, That's really cool. This seems like, yeah, great use of AI. Like let it be able to talk to people, explain what's going on There's even a The natural language input was interesting, and there were some posts on social media of like, is this an agent on the iPhone Yeah And basically what it is voice control whichich you can voice controls exist for a long time. You can talk to your Mac, you can talk to your iPhone But that the voice control in I was twenty seven using Apple Intelligence, you can tell your iPhone Tap on the orange folder. or tap on this the beach keynote. and it will literally takeake action on the screen for you without you touching the screen. and just using voice control to control your phone. And Apple Intelligence is taking that even further, navigating apps and experiences. And a lot of people are like, is that an agent? It's like, Well, Technically, I mean, yeah, if your phone can use itself with your voice prompting. It seems like it, but this is also very different from even the Gemini task automation that I talked about earlier, where I can tell it like orered me a caramel macchiato upside down That's a lot of clicks and a lot of steps it's going to go through in the background. And this is seemingly more like single command, like open this. go to this But we'll see. Maybe that's a clue of what's coming with IOS twenty seven Yeah, and I would argue an agent is simply a string of technologies and this is one of those technologies that would also be found in an agent, but in this case, it's an accessibility feature becausecause it's the human who is directing it. It's not And it is directing actual steps as opposed to directing the outcome That's a good good distinction They're also bringing captions to all Basically videos taken on your iPhone or sent to your iPhone So if you record a video or if a friend text you a video, there's there can be captions on there automatically. So that's a great N feature IO twenty seven and an amazing demo, Apple Vision Pro is going to work with power wheelchair control So someone can literally use their wheelchair by looking at controls in Vision Pro and be able to like move to the left, move forward, move to the right and like Omni directional control This is really cool I will say I've used my Vision Pro a few times in the last week And sometimes the eye tracking is not super precise So I'm like, this has to be Spot on. becausecause you can't have a motorized wheelchair like going off a ramp Sure or doing whatever, but It is good We'll see. mayaybe Vision OS twenty seven will like heighten the accuracy even more. Maybe there's like settings for U to move or whatever, but I thought that and it's really cool. connected to a wheelchair I agree A last rumor about I was twenty seven Mark German over at Bloomberg was saying That shortcuts will be able to be made but themselves with Apple Intelligence in IowOS twenty seven. So you'll be able to open the shortcuts app and say Make me a shortcut that does this and it's just gonna to do it And listen Maybe mayaybe I might have a job, Jason Maybe this is it. This is the end I don't think this is the end Thank you. I think that just every video is going be Yeah Sts scary. Stop texting me. Jason, stop texting me about shortcuts that you need. It'll do it for you. Well here's I did a little short on it, but my thought is There's actually an app right now called Shortcut Studio. I did a video on it last weekend And it is literally an app that can build shortcuts for you which is really cool And it does a decent job But I'll put a link to my video and then shhortcut it's a free to download. You can build like three shortcuts a day for free, and then you have to pay for it But what I have found is with some simple requests It nails it And I imagine Apple intelligence and shortcuts if you ask it something like Give me a report of my events for today and send it to me in a text message. Check my calendar events and go for it. Like The shhortcut Studio app could do that today and that's using like AIs and LLMs in the background to make the shortcut and you could download it. I'm sure Apple I intelligence will able to do that If I ask Apple Intelligence and I was twenty seven, hey, make me a shortcut that uses the movie database API, so I can search for a movie or TV show pull the poster image, where to stream it and put all of that in an Apple notote I doubt it can do that. and only because I did some of those more complex tasks in my video and I won't spoil it, but AI is still not super precise at connecting variables and shortcuts or being able to like Once you get to longer tasks, it kind of loses the plot and sometimes doesn't pull from previous actions properly. So maybe Apple's own Apple intntelligence will do that better, hopefully because it's actually Apple's on device LM doing that. I think it'll be great for simpler shortcuts. I think more complex shortcuts remains to be seen, but listen I'll be in my hotel room Monday night of WWDC shouting at my phone to build shortcuts all night, and you better believe that's going to be on a video aybe I'll do live stream who know But we'll see. That should be coming I was twenty seven sports ball Use the Apple Sports app, I forget I will look at it sometimes, especially when I want The main reason is I'm like, I think there's a game today of something right right. I' just open it. Be it's easier than Googling it It is. It's just like, I be in there. I'll just open that. Yeah ye. So it's now available in more than ninety additional countries includcluding so our listeners in Australia, New Zealand, Japan, India, someone's India too. I forgot to give them a shout out want to India as well But it's available in ninety more countries. And speaking of sports, there's actually a new Apple Vision Pro documentary about Re Madrid in Apple Vision Pro, the embargo drops today Wednesday. so I should be good to talk about it. But I didn't watch it in Apple Vision Pro and it's, you know, one of the things about The immersive video And I think this could be like the future. didid you listen to the Adam Lisss Gor talkk show with Junk Goover? I didn't do the whole thing It was a really fun episode A lot about vibe coding, but Adam Lisigor, who's been a guest on this show actually in the past, of Sandwich Vide. He talked about you know, he's very bullish on immersive video And that being like the next frontier in entertainment and whether that shakes out to be true or not I do find that the immmersive videoide on Apple Vision Pro It makes me super invested in whatever it is, even if I didn't have that much interest in it before Like there's like the two episode dog show thing, Applevision Pro. I've never watched a dog show. I didn't know any of the terms. I would not care otherwise. But man watching those two episodes like I was in it. And I was like super invested. And what is the storytelling and The Apple Studios is making this content But also in this Real Madrid documentary So I iliar I know Christiana Ronaldo. I know you know, Lionel Messi. like I know some names I know about football But man, watching this documentary, I was like super invested and the time always flies by When I watch an Apple Imersive video and I talked about two of them last week in New York and the Switzerland one And so it's really good. So if you have an Apple Vision Pro I would encourage you to watch the Real Madrid one And I hope there is more immmersive content and Adam Listigore on the talk show says like there's basically a few people out there like literally a handful making immersive content that has the black magic immersive camera and trying to do it. There's not a great way to distribute it. That's one of the reasons why he made the app called Theater on Vision Pro. so you can watch some of that third party immersive content It's, it's still fun. St drive it on and watch something Yeah, the New York was part of the elevate series. Thank you. Elevate. So and I hated it What? With a passion Ste. Wait, wait, whoa whoa whoa whoa, Why did you hate it This is not what people want But this is what Apple thinks people want What people want is to put on the Vision Pro and feel like they're in New York City And able to determine that I don't want to watch a movie flying over New York City and flying through walking through some streets and then cutting to something else and then going to this and then you go to the guy who's like on the bike and then you go to this other place and then you just I don't want that, Stephven. What I want is to be like, pick a location. I want street view but immersive And I can just like choose like twelve different different spots around the It's kind of like the NBA games. People don't want you to cut them. They just want to sit in a seat and experience what's happening. And with New York City, I just let me stand in Times Square Let me move forward or backward. Let me do That's what people really want. and that's what immersive means. immmersive doesn't mean Oh we just made a movie, but we just did it with these different cameras and we still control all the stuff because I'm like, o, that was cool. And then I have to back up and be like, oh I'malking It didn't feel like New York City to me because of that. And I've been in New York City. I know you're from New York I've been to New York City probably fifty times because of like for work I've been there a whole lot of times, probablybably more than most people who don't live there. L right? I'm very familiar with New York City. And I love New York City. It's one of my favorite places on Earth. If we didn't have children, maybe we'd live there. I don't know. I did not like it at all That's wild. Well, I will just heartily disagree. I mean, it's a subjective thing, but I thought If you had never been to New York, It provides like one, With all this immersive content None of it is long enough You know, it's all like short in The New York City one, I think it was like eight minutes or something. And so like, what do you do in eight minutes? And You know, the other elevated series, there's like narration and there's explanation. And I loved that the New York City was just the sights and sounds of the city And so I totally get like someone might just want s like St in Times Square for thirty seconds or a minute, or walk through Central Park A Wlcstter Park and like That would be a cool like app. You know, like choose your venue Times Square, Central Park, Soho, Chinatown. And just like stand on a streets corner and then like Google street view, like tap another street corner, zoom over there and then feel like you're just standing there. And if it was like live like that would be awesome. Like that' be a cool vision Pro idea. Like let me be in New York City right now as it's happening And again, Adam Lagore did live video in immmersive for the talk show two years ago. So that's probably happened. But we'll have to disagree. I enjoyed it I' sorry didn'tjoy it,ase I just care more about New York City than you do. That's clearly the answer. That Though them fighting words first of all. you even have you even had a Kanishe You just made up those words. See everyveryone who's listening. Is it Kanish the thing that the AI delivered when you ordered a canoe? The fact that okay, seeee, I can rest my case because everyone listening. who loves New York as much than I do, they know what's up. They know what a kishe is. They've bought it from the guy on the side of the street. And they know, they know. Now the reason I've never had a condition is I don't See, I feel so confident right now that people They're gonna listen, don'tave us a one star review for what Jason said. Leave a five star review And tell me the corner on New York City where you got your favorite kishe We'll shout out everyone in the back. Oh I've had one from Kats's Dli, which is fine, but I'm just saying I'm just I've eaten a lot of New York City Street food and I and we go back quite a away. We go back No, I'm serious. Like there's a listen, but yber a cybberid hot dog, dirty water hot dog Sure. I need now I need to start another podcast about New York just talk to people about I got start to getting another fodcast. You just seent me breaking news, Jason Br. I did to record What has happened. James Murdoock buys half of Vox Media Yeah He bought Foxot com New York magazine and all the podcasts, the podcast network. The Virge will remain independent, sole E eater, I don't know what eater The Virgin were rem made independent, like they' part of this deal? correct Oh, interesting So I don't what that means for those companies Okay. We knew that this was This is rumored. this might happen, but now we know the podcast network, Stephven. this was the most interesting. I actually read this while you were talking about something But No, It was way before that. This actually broke about forty five minutes ago. We didn't have time to talk about it in the middle of all the other things that were happening All right Podcast Network generated eighty million dollars Its bad a podcast. That's incredibly for a podcast network. I think there's a lot of podcast networks that would love to make eight million dollars. for sure. And that's like Waveform. MPBHD's podcast is on the Verge Cast, Pivot, all those. But is the Verge Cast part of this deal then No, so the network is just a coll a collective of buying up ad like Yeah, yeah, yeah, But it's not the shows because like MKBHD owns his show They just buy the ads and put them on there. That's the put buying the ads and putting them in places is the thing that got bought. notot the shows like Pivot R Kare Swisher and Scott Gallaway own that show Right. And the Vverge cast may The Verge guast will stay with the Verge, I assume, but they may still be a part of the network, which will now just be a part of this other company. Right. Which you could always leave the network, but then it's a lot harder to get ads. R. And the CEO Jim Banoff is going to the the new company Oh, okay, interestnteresting That's interesting.ist, if any want to buy this podast for three hundred million dollars, we're not selling Well, no, we probably w We will definitely sell for three hundred million dollars. hundred dollars. I don't own any of this show, but I will do the people own the show Yeah. I' just the people. I'm just saying three hundred million dollars is slightly above the line Sightly is just I'm not going to tell you where the line is, but I will tell you three hundred million is above it. threeree hundred and thirty five? I don't know. Also, if you want to own something like a Plex Lifetime passass, that's now going to be seven hundred and fifty dollars. I just want to throw it out there lex, we're gonna talk about this in the bonus episode I bought a Plex Pass when it was seventy five dollars, Lifetime So I own Plex But right now, the whole company I understand. Even his one raising priceices. That's right. Plex lives on my sology in a closet It's two hundred and fifty lifetime pass right now It's going up to seven hundred and fifty dollars this summer And the subscription stays the same, seven dollars per month, seventy dollars per year. You know, I actually bought a bullhorn to talk about pricing and subscription. Do you see that Jason? h yeah because Well, only because u you yeah You know, people when I did my widget video on iPhone, people got upset because there were a lot of subscriptions, even though All the widgets you could use for free except for the tide guidance. So I'm now doing a bullhorn in videos whenever I talk about pricing. And so for Plex, it is still seven dollars a month or seventy dollars per year goingoing up to se hundred fifty dollars lifetime I'm doing So the bet is that you're going to live more than ten years I guess. all the reason why I want to bring that up is if you ever think for a moment, I'm to try and convince Jason in the bonus episode that you will want to use Plex in the future You should just buy the lifetime pass now for two hundred fifty before you have to pay trip let him. s on say So there's that There's that AI and GenZ. We talked about it last week at length Since then E Google CEO Eric Schmidt was booed at of commencement like our U CF example last week because he talked about AI And so we will include that article Graduating class is not happy. We had a great email from listener Andrew He's Jhn Z. graduated in twenty twenty four. So a couple years ago, and He basically said, I'm going quote from his email I shouldn't have started over here, but Jason nailed pretty much every point I didn't want to say this. I love this email. I didn't want to say that But this is now Andrew talking the email. and he did say that College students, me included, have anxiety, whether we're going to get job or not, or if AI is going to take everyone's jobs, leaving us broke, homeless, and or unable to survive Heays he' is a young professional And he uses AI. He said like I'd use it and my kids use it. He's a substitute for Google sometimes, similar to search engines, everyday questions But for someone who like he works in the world of sales and customer service, he has no use for AI outside of kind of that general use or whatever And Yeah, it's a little unsettling for someone like him who just graduated a couple of years ago So Andrew than for that email to If you're Gen Z, if you graduated this year or soon to graduate or recently did, would love to hear from you too, your feelings about AI Considering they're booing Eric Smidt on stage at a commencement And this sentiment it does seem like the younger generation is is not as bullish as u AGI is the singularity. D how do your kid I mean your kid, your daughters gradating I mean, we ask I asked them live on the show, rememember? I know you asked them live on the show And they're basically like it depends And I'm like, that's super that's super have they been media trained, Jason? Did you give them media train? is super G gen Z right there. just depends. It depes. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. Well, we would love to hear from more. We'll discuss more at length when there's not one thousand Google things to talk about, but but keep writing in Andrewre than you for that email. And the last piece of news before we get to personal tech, we have to mention the case between Elon Musk and Sam Altman You have lost. Yeah He lost the case. We knew this was going to happen. No one. I don't even think Elon Musk thought that he was going Not really, L But the best part, there's two things that are good about this One , there's one that's good and one thing is bad The thing that's good is I think that there is a perception And there's a reasonable reason for this that if you just have enough money and enough force of personality, you can just bully your way through anything. And this outcome is shows that that's not. attack That's not true I don't think it should be a like the fact that Elon Musk should have lost this is in no way an endorsement of anything Samaltman has ever done. I just want to be clear, okay? J just want to be clear about that. bad thing about this is that he lost on ssentially a technicality So they did not in court this is the way courts work. If you lose on it if you could if you can lose on a technicality then they don't actually decide on the actual facts are of the law Right? L so Eesssentially what the jury decided is Elon Musk waited too long to file this lawsuit based on what he was saying happened. They did not decide whether the thing he said happened happened Right I wish that they would have, but I understand why they didn't. I wish they would have been like, shove it your r But what they said is we're not going to decide if you were right or wrong, it doesn't matter it's too late for us to You didn't waited too long Statute of limitations seems like an anticlimactic end to a case like this. Right. That seemed pretty large. And in the New York Times article, I include, the jury deliberated for less than two hours twwelve angry men deliberated more in their movie than the jury in this But yeah, it's court case You couldn't have even watched twelve re That is true All right, personal tick AirPods Pro three. I There's not been third party tips available for a little while I've been using the stock tips. E been Better than AirPods Pro two for me. They stayed in my ear. better. They didn't fall out as much when I was walking around grocery shopping. so I do think the tips on the three Pro three are improved over the proro two How's your urban experience with the P three tips I have never had a problem with any AirPod tips ever. Never fallen out I D had I've had an AirPod fallout once and happened this week And it's because we put sod in our grass. we laid some sod down getting ready for an open house. so you have to walk a slightly different path in our backyard to get to the gate to get out. and we have actually I think it's a Well, the scientific name is Florida, but it's like a dogwood tree or whatever. And a flowering dogwood. And I walked too close to it and one of the branches just pulled my aerpod right Oh That's literally the only time I've ever hadard an airPod fall out. You never feel it loosen like if you're like smiling a lot No, but I think about it every time I go to the bathroom and still have an air. Well that is yeah, I do become aware So the comply tips came out recently And I've used comply Tips for all of my past AirPods Pro and those have been great. I got them for the three. They're still great. They're much more foamy then the stock proro tips And the foaminess, as people have reported Can? Kind of after a long time You know, I use mine for about a year and then I want to get another pair becausere they get a little nasty. the camera's not going to be able to see it. than my goodness right It's a little bit good. but at a lot of people and apparently Christopher Lally mentioned these too, the Chargin C H A R J E N, which you can't get on Amazon. This you have to buy directly from charge And a lot of people said these tips are even better than the complily tips And these are kind of more of their hybridity Whereas the comply tips are basically all foam the charge end tips It's got foam and then it kind of has an outer layer some new texture, whatever, a silicone shield So it's supposedly going to both stay in your ear and protect the foam from getting nasty after a while And it also has a little speaker grill over the thing as opposed to being totally open, the comply tips are totally open. And these do have a speaker grille In practice, I've not noticed a huge difference in sound quality because the speaker grill, which is fine but comfort they're very comfortable.'ve wearing them the last few days you know, how dirty they get over time. I'll have to report back I do feel like doesn't provide as tight of a seal as the comply Like the comply tips, when they expand in my ear, they're like rock solid And these are good. They're solid. they've not fallen out I need to go grocery shopping with them. That's my true test. That's always how I test my headphones And we'll test the noise canceling and all of that V' very comfortable though They're more secure than the stock tips I have found And, you know, that extra layer might help them stay cleaner. They do take a second more to expand The comply foam tips when you like squeeze them They pretty much expand instantly U like You don't really have to like wait for them to fill your ear. Let me just try real quick. No, they no, they too a while to experiain. If you squeeze hard enough those squish down and expand the charge in Yeah It's about the same. you know, it'll expand for a few seconds. So you do kind of have to hold it in your ear for a second. if you wanted to expand in place rather than just kind of and you can just try to shove them in there but I like to squeeze them a little bit before I put them in. Anyway They sound good, they feel good, they're comfortable. I'll report back once I've tested them for more than a couple days. but they' are a great alternivative. They are a little p przing. They like forty bucks. You do get three pairs in the box the Charge and Air fooames Pro. They've been pretty good and so I'll report back with a more thorough review, but but I' like them. I'll be trying them Nice I'm not going to try them, but I'm glad you happ. Listen, everybody's ears are different, Jason. Everybody's are different. Sometimes, you know, you need the extra tips. so All right, I'm going to go try and convince Jason to buy pllinks And so If you want to hear our bonus episode I do You can support the show. Thank you to all of you who already support the show. You can click the link down in the show notes. still I'm just going to keep the deal going. 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