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We will not go quietly into the night. We will not vanish without a fight We're going to survive We're going to live on Today is our I indndependence Day. Welcome to Primary Technology the show about the tech news that matters. It's independence Week here in the US. but we have a bunch of AI news. Apple released big updates to Apple Creator Studio and Final Cut. My metaglasses that arrive today may have a subscription attached, and I'm not happy about that. Fable is coming back, Open AI announced hardware for CodeX and a ton more. This episode is brought to you by Framer, Keper, Nord Layer, and you. The memers who support us directly. I'm one of your host St Een Roblz join Hi my friend Jason Aon. How's it going, Jason Good, I'm just about finished my first cup of coffee, so I'm ready to do this. I mean, we're doing this on a different day. I don't know when we're publishing it. Maybe normal, so no Normal time. We'll plish normal time. By the time people listen to this, I'll be in England. so we had to do this. Thank you Steven for accommodatingf course, off course Ivel schedule I imagine you know where that quote is from Yeah, it's that one movie where they blow the Death Star That's exactly right. That's exactly right. Yeah Okay. No it's from Independence Day. You said it right in the thing. Oh yeah, that's right. for got que. I wanted to do that one. O, yes, this is july fourth week. And you know, podcasts are doing different july fourth stuff. The decoder episode on Weber Glls is pretty funny But my high school graduation The valedictorian He had a little speech And then he quoted the Independence Day speech verbatim And let me tell you speech hit at a graduation And so yeah, that was super fun. Adam Pinto was the Valle Victorian my high school year. so I still remember that. It was pretty epic You're going to you're going to another race, right? Yeah I'm going to the British Grand Prix Let's listen You're a regular at these Grand peeaks. This is I'm trying. I really wanted Apple to invite me to a World Cup game. That's what I really wanted because my son has been into it. But why would Apple invite you to a World Cup game 'Cause they they do stuff like Apple TV and somebody went to a soccer game. I saw whatever. That's ' they own MLS, but that's not the same as World Cup Stehven. No, I know, but I don't know, I see different creates of these soccer. Listeners, Steven't know sports it's fine. Don't send him out I'm trying to get into it. We watched full on World Cup games in the p couple of weeks. Fox has the World Cup Apple TV just has I mean, they do have messy because they have MOS, but it's just I'm just When Apple TV sponsors on this time. I've see the Apple TV logo on some of the jerseys of some of the players But anyway, I was just saying I looked up how much itost to go to a World Cup game. One, they're all sold out. There's like three more games coming to Miami, which I was like, that's pretty close. and Messi is going to be playing in Miami This Friday. I believe. And that's my son's favorite play. He plays for Argentina, I believe. You're saying the Wor Cup. For the World Cup. Got it got And so I was like, wow, we would be crazy if we went to World Cup games One sold out she was ticket with six thousand dollars apiece three the only ticket still available is like the private suites Just take a wild guess, Jason what a sweite is at a World Cup game. thirty five thousand dollars for a person. one hundred twenty thousand dollars. P person? What is for the sweet I didn't get that far by I mean, let's a whole seat with twenty people, that' that's killer deal.s That's a killer deal. It's like buy one get one free basically. L every you got to buy them m all. That's a thing. So I knew yeah, no workup came up for us. did I do have a media credential for Dallas's site And there is a chance that the U.S will If they keep winning, they'll play in Dallas against but they would have to beat France first and then play Spain there or beat Spain first and play sorry that I can't remember the exact order. But if they beat Belgium, I mean, if they beat Bosnia and Herzegovia and then they beat Belgium, that next game would be in Dallas. Okay. but so I was like, Should I should I think about going I mean, it once every four years, right? The World Cup, it only comes around. I mean, it'll be in Brazil next year. the women Oh okay, Wh Just to be honest that our house is the one that we actually care about Oh, interesting. Yeah. They's so much better. Oh, Okay, okay. Well anyway, No the women have won four So I was wearing my US soccer hat and the US National team and the women's US National team have the same crest except for that the women's crerest has four stars on it Men's crest has zero stars on it Well, that's because the women have won four World Cups and the men have won zero Gotch. Okay, I understand. I understand. If you look at the US men's leading scorers Do you know who the US men's national team? You don't know who the US men's national team leading score is of all time. Jason Oh wait, wait, No, no, I have no idea. He's on every broadcast. Clint Dempsey, okay I would have never gets the name of the family Landon Donvan. They both have they both have fifty seven goals, national team goals. They've scored more obviously for the club Listen, I've learned more about football from my middle son just by osmosis, like Lionel Messy and Christiano Ronaldo. And every time I see pictures of them, I have to look up, how old are these guys? becausecause I can't tell they look younger than they are, older than they are. Sure. But I just want you to so they both have tied for fifty seven goals. okay? That's one. That's pretty good Pretty good. Okaykay? Yeah. I just want you to guess What is the most goals for a women's national team player If the m are fifty seven, right like. Sir, eighty three. Add one hundred and one to that and you're correct. every Wbach has one hundred and eighty four. That's fifty seven would put you somewhere on like fifteenth on the list of women. J I just I'm just saying they're good. And they are good. I just hate to admit this to you. that I will say when I sit down and actually watch boarding event I do enjoy it I I do enjoy it. I will I've always enjoyed watching tennis, believe it or not. L I used to watch tennis in high school Because we had tennis courts that are like housing, development, or whatever. and I play this. And I watched like Pete Samprers and Andre Agassy play and I really was into it. L I enjoyed watching You saw them live? keep okay sorry Although I was in Nework at the. That's I was like a possibility. No, no, no. I was watch on on TV. but I really enjoyed watching that And I had never watched a football match front to back, but since my son's been watching it, we have YouTube TV. it's like, all right, well let's watch the whole game. It's enjoyable to watch. Like it's a lot of drama. and anyway, it's goodway I will tell you that to tech, the Apple Vision Pro immersive thing about Re Madrid, also very good. And we'll do that. Anyway, this is not this is the most sports we've ever talked about on this show. I don't even know what to do now because like Are we a sports show now Are we Sot? sports on the side sports on the side. they would he would kill me if I did more sports with you than that because he cares sports All right, we have some five star review S shout outs, old Gaffer Javison, Canada. hadad very nice wors with our favorite tech podcast. Thank you for that Shazel from the USA, one of the few podcasts I listen to regularly. Thank you for that and Apple GUI from the USA This was an interesting suggestion. They said Apple should make their own RAM and storage to help with the apocalypse that's going on right now And I will point everyone to recent accidental Tech podcast episode where they talked about that specifically And I will link this Mastadon post where Joill Lyion kind of goes on to explain one of the reasons why Apple manufacturing its own raam and storage might not be as conducive to these lower prices One, it would take a long time to spin up, like five to ten years. If Apple was building its own fab from scratch Also the machinery that's used to make these kinds of chips are very specialized. It would be difficult, if not impossible to acquire. and also the training that has to go into the people making this equipment. So five to ten years at maybe the earliest And also whether it would be cost effective after all of that investment remains to be seen So that's some of the reasons why, but I'll link this mastodon. And in that mastodon quote is also the ATP episode if you want to listen to that, bud. Yeah. And also in the price when the price comes back down you do not want to be four and a half years into a five year plan to build a fab and be like it's not going to be worth it anymore. And you spent all of that money. And I mean, there's it's just math. Right? Like Yes, Apple could absolutely get the equipment Be they have a lot of money and they could just throw some money at the problem. But the amount of money they'd have to throw the problem makes it no longer a good solution for the problem they currently have. Exactly, exactly. We'll get into a couple pricing and follow ups too, because we recorded that very off the cuff last week because it happened after we recorded. But I want to do shout out Ian in Australia, our polar bear and Medieval Knight has made it all the way there. They didn't do an outside photo because It's actually winter there in Australia. Remember, it's different down in the Southern Hemisphere. It's different down there. Listen, it took me a second. He was like, it's winter here. I was like, what? All right, Southern hemisphere. So they but it's in Australia and when it warms up, we'll get some more photos out there. and some more pins to send out too. So listen, if you're going to Antarctica, it's the last continent lefteft to conquer the medieial not on the polar. so let us And I want to do a couple very quick follow upps on the UK Social Band. We had some nice comments, those on YouTube. and so appreciate your thoughts One to follow up this news, which was that labor unveiled that the social media band alsoso has a clause that Third parties providing age verification technology for the social media band will also be compelled to provide information to the government So this is a little clause in there So whatever you think about the social media band You have to think about how do you feel about the age verification information having to be shared with the government as a part of this entire process? Just just going throw that in there I still feel exactly the same way I did before. Battery And then you put an article in our Nion document that I couldnt couldn the Notion document was embedding all kinds of crazy things. But can you tell me about this wired story about meta Well, I mean, essentially what was happening here is that Ma had third party contractors because meta likes third party contractors to do d dirty work, right? And they were essentially feeding prompts into rival But on topics. Well, first of all, they're opposing teens, right? So these contractors would tell the japot that it was a teen and have conversations with it about a lot of topics that you would hope there would be guardrails for Now, according to some of Mis either spokespeople You know, this is apparently standard practice, right? exxcept for the part where you pretended maybe to be a minor to have these conversations. and Ma has not said what its reason for doing this is, right? It's like Are you were you like there are a lot of scenarios here And then I'm going to get to why I think this matters. One scenario is like you're just doing opposition research and you're hoping to find a really terrible story And then somehow that leaks to the media. And there's a really bad news story about ChGBT or Claud or Gemini or whatever, right? That's one scenario. Side note, I learned what Apple research was because of the Christmas movie on Apple TV pllus sppirited. W. Ryon Reynolds. I mean,' even watching the West Wing for a while, you should have come across it at least. Yeah, I sorry. So there's that possibility. There's also the possibility that this is just part of how you train like how to the responses handle different things or whatever. The problem is This is matter So typically We should probably just assume the worst case option Right And So I don't I don't think this is a good look for them Well, there rarely good looks for Meta. Let's be honest. There are no good looks for meteta Dara jokes, that's And one follow up, Artem sent me an email and he actually posted this originally on X, but pointed out an interesting tidbit of information on the watch OS twenty seven web page, the developer web page on Apple's website And it talks about how you can use the vision framework on WOS to bring image understanding to the wrist. Now Apple is saying this is for smart cropping a photo, so the subject fills the display or read a barcode from a save document Which seems like a weird thing to do on Apple Watch. don't none of these are things that you do on your Apple Watch, are they? I don't even know how I would get a document on my Apple Watch. I accidentally tapped on something in my watch the other day and it opened a browser and I'm like, where did that come from? I guess I knew there was technically a browser on my watch, but I'm like what are you doing? Why is it loading? But his point was, there are a lot of interesting APIs when it relates to image stuff and scanning, face and human recognition, even something like lens smudge detection So that is some curious information about watchOS twenty seven. And may allude to things in the next models of Apple watchatch. We'll see I'll let the You know, come your own conlusions if' But I thank for Artsim for pointing that out. There was actually some news this week One, I do want to do some Apple pricing reducts because last week, I think it I think it was the first time ever We gott to record something because Apple changed all the prices and it was big news. And we talked about it off the cuff. I wanted to point out that I did some math on my Mac stududio Let me tell you, you mean like about your Mac Studio. You don't mean like you use the calculator app. J just clarify no, no. Okay, just clarifying. My Mac Studio, which I bought a year ago It's an M four max, one hundred and twenty eight gigs of unified memory, eight terabyte SSD. I went all the way Number one, that model is no longer available M four Max Max Studio, you can only get with sixty four gigs of memory If you want ninety six, which is the most you can order right now, you have to get the M three ultra And it doesn't come until October. So you can't even get my model But if you extrapolate the memory upgrade pricing from the M five Max MacBook Pro From sixty four to one hundred twenty eight, which is like a thir thousandteen hundred dollars increase. My Mac stududio is three thousand dollars more expensive today than it was a year ago And I didn't really need to update last year. I had an M one Max Mac studio and it was good, but man, I really I think foresaw the future and it was wonderful. And I'm so glad I upgraded then. And David Sparks looks like the most clairvoyant Apple pundit ever because he upgraded to an M five Max MacBook pro that was like maxed out And he did that like three or four weeks ago, right before the price increased. And his computer would have been something like two thousand eight hundred dollars more expensive if he had waited and he was waiting for an M five max Max studio, hopefully But he he timed that very well. And so I saw a lot of comments on our YouTube video And people on socials they were like, I just bought a bunch of stuff on Amazon. People were like, I was gonna to buy myself a MacBook Air for my birthday next month But it became an early birthday present because I could save four hundred dollars buying it on Amazon right now. So yeah. And you wrote a couple of pieces about this. Well, yeah, I mean I just keep adding links to the I keep seeing them pop up in the notion. we may have talked about the second one, but basically I wrote a piece because people keep asking me this time of year Should I wait? What's coming? They think that we know Steven. They think that we just we have a podcast so we just already know what the specs are going to be of the iPhone eighteen. There was a didid you see that video of the supposed iPhone eighteen? I understand, but like I can't give anyone advice about that because I haven't actually seen them or used them or whatever. But it doesn't matter because every year the advice is the same, unless you need a phone right now Ps probablyably good idea to just wait till September if you can because then you at least be able to make a more informed decision, right? And if you really like the iPhone seventeen If you wait, It'll be on sale for a hundred dollars less, probably brand new in September. So like that's usually the advice I give people This year I like you should just go buy one. In fact, you should buy two Maybe get one for everyone in your family and then put a couple in the drawer because estments. I don't think that there's ever been a better time to buy an iPhone. I don't think there will ever be a better time in the future because all of these phones are going to be What do you think? one hundred, maybe two hundred dollars more expensive So here's the thing we didn't make clear last week. I don't think Seververal product categories did not raise in price, which is the iPhone Apple Watch AirPods All of those prices are still the same from Apple A bunch of people were saying, Apple's waiting for this fall to raise those prices on the Apple Watch and the iPhone I will make a prediction here and we will see if I'm right in a couple months. I think the base model iPhone will stay the same price want I don't think they want to make any more expensive than sevenllars ninety nineents seven hundred and ninety nine cents for an iPhone seventeen right now to make that nine hundred dollars close to a thousand. I don't think they want to do that Pro models Probably a hundred dollars more expensive, maybe more. If they come out with the fold this fall twenty five hundred dollars at least, maybe three thousand dollars That's what I'm saying Vision Pro money is what you're saying The Vision Pro went up in price, which nobody cares, which is insane. But percentage wise, it was like the least increaseed of ever. Well percentage wise, yeah, but like it's like Mac studio went up half of a Vision Pro. The Vision Pro itself went up just like a home pod. But no one was scrambling to buy Vision Pro on Amazon. Yeah There is still a supply and demand thing at work here, you can only raise. But again, if it's a product, no one's buying you can charge whatever the heck you want for, because that doesn't matter it's just a number I think that the iPhone, the base iPhone, I don't disagree with you that they'd like to keep that price the same I think that the way they do that is they keep the iPhone seventeen for sale for the same price instead of dropping the price one hundred dollars, they're going to keep the iPhone seventeen for sale at seven hundredll ninety nine cents And the eighteen is gonna to be eight ninety nine we'll see then. Well, because they I mean, we argued about this and I took the position that they didn't, but they basically did raise iPhone prices last year because they dropped one hundred and twenty eight gig model So the least you can get an iPhone Pro for is ten doars ninety nineents when it used to be ninell ninety nine That ten ninety nine is it going to be eleven doars ninety nineents or eleven fif forty nine? They could they could bring back the lower storage tiers I don't think they would ever do that, but wa, it's going to be ten do ninety nine for one hundred and twenty eight gig. That actually is a likely thing scenario But even the iPhone seventeen Right now, it's seven hundred and ninety nine dollars. And you get two hundred and fifty six gigs of storage. Yeah. so I think there's a scenario where maybe they bring back the one hundred and twenty eight, but it's the seven hundredars ninety nine price, which is price hike It would be a price hike, but they could still say iPhone eighteen starts at seven nineents I think however they're going to finagle it, they're going they want to say iPhone eighteen starts at seven hundred ninety nineents same prices last year Or they're going to say iPhone eighteen. It's so great and we've added a little bit more memory so it can run all this Apple intntelligence So it's eight and ninety nine. But don't worry, you can still get the iPhone seventeen for the same price you could yesterday. Well ye, it's true. All right, we'll see we'll see. And I wanted to be very clear on this part because I talked about how the Apple TV and HomePod went up in price and they have not been updated in four plus years. Another thing I wanted to mention to be clear The Apple TV runs on an iPhone chip Namely the A fifteen Bionic, an old iPhone chip. Yeah And somehow it got a price hike where the iPhone did not Lay it out there. And the same with the home pod. Home pods run on Apple Watch chips. The S seven and we're already on the S eleven in like the series eleven. So Homepod and Homepod Mini that run on Apple Watch chips went up in price, but the Apple Watch did not Same chips and A lot of people online, as I was saying this were like Well, they just wanted to raise the prices now because when they introduced the new models in September or October It won't be a price hike, they'll just keep the same prices Even if that's true It still feels insane to hike the price on a four plus year old device using old chips. And the Apple C comes with sixty four gigs of memory or storage. like Stark. It's not a lot ofost. There's a scenario though where I think it's possible that this just means there's a new one coming, and now they don't have to raise a price when the new one comes out. Well, that's what I mean. That's what everybodys saying is like they don't want to raise price when the new one comes out, which I get But I think at least when a new one comes out, that's better Hiking the price thirty bucks or fifty bucks then I feel like it'd be more justified than now. We'll see, we'll see. Listen. I'm all for new Apple TV and a new home pod put thread in every model Apple TV And give me home pod with a scen I'll pay a thousand doll Maybe not that much, but probably. Do you think th is threat Isn't there some thad news that we should be talking about? like matter one point six. Sure. somethingomet something that's finally gonna it's finally gonna do the only thing that anyone cared about it doing So matter one point six, it is going to when you add a device to your home network, let's say you add it to your Apple homeome app. Matter one point six means you won't have to add it to Google and Amazon It should just automatically talk to all the things And we'll see. Sose Mel one point four is what's supported in IowOS twenty seven. So Apple is going to have to adopt that one point six even later So it's like a long way off. But also shouldn't matter point zero zero ero ero ero wasn't the promise Was ready was going to do that? Okay, I'm just chous. And was Oh I have a Google H homeome speaker by the way It came in I have my Google homeome speaker in my family room h the kids have been asking at random Knledge questions, which it's good at because it's Gemini in the speaker basically Google It's a bit of a watered down Gemini, but it'll tell you about black holes and it will makeake a fart sound if you ask it because my kids did. It will also do some trivia. It won't do an escape room, but it'll do like a escapeper adjacent. But anyway, all that to say, I have a video coming out about universal remotes This universal remote It does not talk to Apple Home, but it does talk to Google Home So I can now I've hacked a universal remote and hub into my Gemini speaker And I can do weird things with it. So anyway, I'm excited about it. Everything about that sounded weird, too. It all sounded weird, but I'm excited about it Okay, what I am excited about genuinely is Fal Cut got an update as did a lot of creative studio apps And the final cut update is actually really good. One, you can finally do generated captions So if you want to make reels or whatever, you can generate those captions, you can change the styles It's not Ideal, you can't like save a caption style template And there's not the option to say, you know, give me one word. captions, like just give me one word on screen or only give me two lines maximum. You kind of have to hack how the cuts in the captions and then no reformatted. So it's not ideal, but you can finally do it which I thought this was coming once they transcribed every video you imported a final cut You can now actually use them as captions. So that's good. works on iPad and iPhone And there's this new masking tool called Automask, and it is wild. One, you don't have to like do the weird click the subject and make sure the red highlight is correct This one is just gonna to quickly identify hair, skin the full subject and then you can it's an immediate mask. So if you want to change someone's hair color or color correct a part of the subject and not another, it's really smart and it's really good I tried it yesterday So Kudos for the updates there. I'm waiting for the news about Motion VFX being acquired by Apple becausecause that happened a number of months ago I'm waiting for them to announce like, hey, these plugins for Motion VVFects are now a part of Creator Studio. I think that'll be the other shoe to drop. but But good updates, there updates to logic and compressor and small updates here and there, but yeah. Well, and I actually like the for final Cut now they have the edit detection. So like if you have a rendered clip And you open it back up, it will essentially create edit points at all of the like if the scene changes or whatever. so that if you want it, you're like, oh, we got to take that piece out. You don't have to go back in and do that. It'll just It'll do it automatically I think it's going to be interesting like This is good But I don't this is still like Apple prrotecting its position is like this has to still be perceived as a pro feature. So they're doing a lot of pro feature things. Like I feel like the one thing Final Cuut Pro is the worst at And it's the thing I think people want it to do the most is like I have a horizontal video. Could you just do make it make it a great vertical video for me, do all the tracking, do all the stuff There are tools that can do this now, Stehven. and it would be in Apple, there's no reason why it shouldn't be able to build this in its tool You know what what does that really quickly is Riverside two point zero Well, I just did this in desescript, Stehven. And here's the crazy thing. I uploaded a video to desescript the other day It was a vertical or a horizontal video that was four and a half minutes long. and I said, I need a reel that's ninety seconds long. And it made me a real. It's like finding all of the highlights, finding the key points, tracking this, doing all this. and it just did it. Like fininal cut should just do that. I should just be able to take my video and the make now make this vertical and edit it down to ninety seconds because that's also what all the apps that the youth use to make their stuff, like Cap cut. and that's the come back for all of these updates and final cut. It's like, well, capap cuts f It's very hard to beat that, especially when Cap cut is made for these kinds of real type videos I still use the Eedits app and when this update came out yesterday, I was like, oh, maybe because I start my edits in Final Cut because I record my reels, I cut them up in final cut And the last part of my process is air dropping the vertical end renders into the Eedits app on my iPhone just to add captions. And I was like, oh, well maybe this will solve that But not being able to save a template and not having the granular control of like give me two lines maximum per caption.. It's like I think it's actually still going to be faster to airdrop to my phone and just use the edits app. So hopefully, they yeah and And I just use verside two pointer, because we are going to talk it's actually AI newews. I was just trying to get you going My metaglasses arrive today, Jason. My meta A glass there, they're coming a little early But I'm actually going out a trip. so we'll see if I'll be able to I'm going to the beach again. So we'll see if they come in time. Probably not gonna use them on the beach because That'd be weird. Anyway The minidalasses have a hidden subscription apparently And there's a feature called the conversation focus feature which is not a conversation with the AI chat bot that's built into the glasses, meteta AI Conversation focus is where if you're talking to someone The glasses will enhance their voice in your ears, basasically like play it back. Kind of like AirPods Pro has a feature where you don't have that focus on the speaker Med is going max that out at three hours per month of use unless you pay twenty dollars for Meta One Premium A, this is really stupid because this is not using any kind of cloud token AI service This happens on device. That was according to the Vverge So it's like, why you charging a subscription for something that not even hitting your servers B For a feature like that You would probably be used way more than three hours per month Because if you're having conversations with people, like that's the main feature. And this feels just like gouging. and this is again, back to meta doing unsavory things. This just feels like that. justust a random subscription turn. This just feels like BMW putting the seat heaters into every car and then charging a subscription fee if you want to use them That kind of stuff. Like what what are we doing? Only it's worse. It's like BMW gave you three hours of seat warming a month. And if you need more because you know, you live in Michigan, you have to pay more And the price goes up in the winter. You more l to them st's like, Thanks, thanks everybody Suricing Yeah Sge sururge pricing for heat seating. We'll see if that anyway, I'm going to get my glasses and I'll talk about it next week Gemini Spark, There's a lot of AI news this week, but Gemini Spark is now rolling out on the Mac app and it can do automated task, basically like cloud codor work Like if you wanted to rename files, you wanted to take actions in your finder and folders and all that kind of stuff Jev I Sarks can able do that with the Mac app I think we've talked about this before. When the Gemini MacAap first came out, I downloaded it to try it And then I remembered that Google installs all those weird utilities in the background, like Google Updator that automatically adds itself to open whenever you log in your computer and does stuff in the background and so I delette it all. and I'm not going to download the Gemini app just for this Yeah, I'm not either. I don't have the Gemini app on my MacBook . There are definitely some things that Gemini is great at and I use it for that. I find that like I had a I needed to send somebody a reference photo and I found a photo of an environment that I wanted to send someone, but it had like It was like an engagement photo that I had taken many, many years ago, and I wanted to take the people out of it, right? And I just literally said to Jem and I Keep everything about this photo the same except for take the people out And it just did it and it did it and the only reason would I wouldn't use that for other purposes other than wanting to show someone, here's here's a hereere's a reference photo we could use for this scene It's insane that it can do that, but that's not worth having that app on my computer because of all of the weird stuff Google wants to do That's the thing. That's the thing So I'll use Gemini in the browser for I need to. For image stuff, I still find it to be the best and they just released Nano Banana two Light, which is their fastest image generation tool. They said it's really good. so I still will use it for that. I think I pay for Google AI plus for twenty dollars because I sometimes forget what what subscriptions I'm paying for.uc see? wasas it the Vverge that just wrote a like The twenty dollarars a month AI subscription is not sustainable I think there's like somebody just wrote that article and I'm like, Yeah, I think that's about right because every single one of these companies wants you to pay twenty dollars a month. for Meta, preremium Pro plus Max, for Gemini, for everything else. And it's like, do you think there's going to be a point where and the reason is like they all sort of keep leapfrogging each other in capability We need them to settle down Syland. They need to settle down. and've been I've been canceling subscriptions when I see them come up because like I tried Bitfocus, which is an AI coding app, a third party coding app that integrates with like your App store connect, whatever. I tried it for a month a couple months ago and I forgot there was a trial or whatever. And so I saw the charge come up on my Apple card and it was like twenty twenty dollars because I like And so I keep trying to cancel them as they come up, but it does feel like death a thousand cuts like's Yeahah in their mind, they're like, well, that's what all the streaming services do. The thing is Disney pllus has different content than Netflix, right? Like if I'm paying for both Disney pllus and Netflix, it's ' I want to watch both Stanger Things and MCU stuff, right?. But that's not true on these other ones. There's marginal differences sure. So you should just find the one that's the best at the things you need and just pay for that one That's the thing. And so, you know, and they've sponsored, well Copilot money sponsored last week And so use C pilot money, use some service that lets you know when you have subscriptions and how many you should cancel because you should And one more thing before we take a break because then we're going to get into Claud and Riverside two point zero agents Because Jason's got a mini rant, I think, but Jason told me about this in the pre show. rightight before we started recording, I did not believe that this existed You know, they sponsor I think they've sponsored this show and I they have a couple times. They have a couple of times But one password has an MCP server I'm just going to say right here, I don't want to connect my password manager to AI at don' all Yeah, and I I know several people. I've interviewed the current CEO of One Password and the and the former CEO of One Password. I think they do great work. Like I think if you need a I have no problem, not because they sponsored us. likeike I don't I never know who's sponsoring us until Steven says the words. likeike have nothing to do with any of that This is not because they sponsored us. You can read the articles I've written interview themough. I think that like they're doing they're do great work I don't think you need a powerful command line tool to bring your one password stuff into the terminal. I don't understand what the benefit of that. L I don't know. mayaybe there is some stuff there that I just don't get Maybe it's handling things in a way, but it does generally seem like I don't think I should send my one password data to Claud That's that's the thing. I don't, you know, I like claud for a lot of things. Some things I say don't look at that Don't go there. 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I don't He Kon I feel like we don't we shouldn't be thinking so much about the models.. What I mean by that is like, Yeah Mac OS twenty six six. four like has some new feature thing, but like we don't like throw a party Right. It's like, okay, good, there's some new features, but it's still just MacOS twenty six That's what it is. And I feel like that should be like, okay, we went from sonnet four point eight to. five It's like I don't in the but that's not even the good one. There's there's Ous four point nine And the fact that four point nine sits between the old Sonnet and the new Sonnet, like I don't understand, Stephen. And then there's fable. Fable' a myth. Mythos. And it's coming back. Apparently Yeah, it's making a it's making a comeb back. Anyways, Sonnet five is out there. You can use it in Claud right now I did use it, I did it for a task. I've been keeping my clod on Opus four point eight just for everything. request, even when I'm asking how tall is Ryan Gosling? I have Ous think about it real hard. just Op is four point at everything But I used Sonet five. I was doing my clloudflare worker work yesterday and I was like, let's see. And it is fast It is much faster than Ous four point eight because it's not a quote unquote thinking model. And it still gave me the right answers. like it's good. You know, these models do really good work. And this is the thing that these companies can talk about the most, I guess, is like our new model Like that's Well, car companies like our new model of car for twenty twenty seven is all that, and it's just it's that It's more agentic, which is the code word that we're going to be talking about more in a moment. Everything's agentic U So yeah, there's Sonate five. And also the Department of Commerce has lifted export controls on Clawud Fable five and mythos five So yeah, all the fables in the mythos, I guess you'll be able to use them and I'll finally be able to not have that pop up in the cllad app like Fable five' is not available. It's like, stop telling me. I don't care. That's the passive aggressive part ' you're Phanthropics's main marketing message right now is we made something so good the big mean government lo' let you have it Yeah. And So then they're gonna to tell you about it all the time. It feels a little bit like a hype cycle of like So good can't have it. And it's like, but it's coming back. Don't worry and now it's here. It's like okay I'm going to use Fable five to ask how tall is Ryan Gosling And we'll see if it gives me a better answer And it's going to charge you sixteen thousand tokens. You're gonna to hit your rate limit by the time you ask Second question That's it. Now this next part, it's kind of like a meta AI discussion because We're using Riverside to record. I use Riverside to edit this show. I worked foride for over three years. if you if you didn't know, if you're new And Riverside had a big announcement yesterday They announced Riverside two point zer And they're announcing a bunch of features I think some of these features are really great. Simple things like being able to host reels and schedule them directly in Riverside So you can use Riverside to make shorts from your podcast or long recording and then schedule them to post on social media all directly in Riverside basasically taking the place of whatever else you might use is like buffer or something That's a very welcome feature They're also adding a newsletter feature. And so if you want to be able to send a newsletter based on your content, It will do that. and Riverside CEO Nadav in this exp post with the video announcement said, AI videos are all slop, AI should be making you a content machine. And the argument here is We're not generating content from nothing. We're taking your recording your content and then making it into lots of different pieces of content like everything from a newsletter to a podcast to short clips to social media posts to everything And they also even announced an MCP server which I need to play with. I'm very curious what I can ask Claude to do in my iverside account Like can I just say, hey, can you make a clip from that moment We talked about the World Cup becausecause was the first time we ever talked about sports on this podcast Will it be able to do something like that? And just give me a reel with captions and pop it out. so hopefully getting access very soon and we'll be able to test that But in the announcement video They would say the word agents a lot. AI agents, it's going to do all the things of to your content Now, I'm a little biased. I still have a soft spot for Riverside because I really love the people there But Jason does not have a soft spot for anybody. So I don't even know where to go after that. That's not true. I just play that that's just the character I play on television Oh o, very very. No, I mean, okay My main problem, just to be clear isn't with a lot of the features. Sure ' everything you just described sounds fantastic. And Rverside for a You know, beginning to end tool for podcasting is great. And it makes sense that you're if you're literally making the content, create recording the content in Riverside to have the tools to do other stuff for the discay. Whenever I use Riverside for the for other podcasts that are not this one I'm just using it as an audio recorder at a distance, right? And so I'm downloading the wave files and I'm editing them using Ferite. iad.'s great But if that's not you, but I actually support two people who use riverside before doing what Steve and I are doing, and they edit their own shows in Riverside and it's fantastic. and they export their clips and they do all that. And like when I did the interview with that cammo, like I just said, make me give me a reel and I did. And it just did it. So it's great My main problem is like the email they sent out, which is like, we're unveiling the biggest launch in Riverside' history It's a leap forward in how you create polish and publish your content The problem is I feel like there's such a race. to likeike the headline is Riverside two point zero a breakthrough in agentic content creation Stehven and I are not agents. We just want to make content. like we're making a podcast Now I can say that because Stehven does most of the work afterwards. byy most of it, I mean all of it Okay. I just realize, I'm like, no, there's nothing there. I send him a link and I h you profaditoread the title in the description and that's about it and sometimes make suggestions on it. That's fun Usually that just means I send a thumbs up emoji. so it's a lot of work. I just think about like It does sort of feel to me like the dropbox thing. It's like Dropbox used to be great and it just did one little thing. And it was perfect for that one little thing. And if I needed to do something different, I got Google Docs. And if I needed to do something different, I got whatever I don't likeike right now, you can send faxes from Dropox. Did you know that? They bought Like they bought like Efax or one of those companies and you can just send faxes. Drop Dropbox fax is a thing I promise you It's just crazy to me And so I you think about those types it's like maybe you lost sight of the thing that made people like really like your company in the first place because you did a simple not a simple thing, but you did a thing very, very well. And all of the things that Riverside added They go along with the thing that everyone wants them to do, but it just makes me a little bit anxious because I'm like This tool fits so well into this workflow that when you start to expand it, did you make that thing more complicated? Because now every time you log into your email provider it asks you, ask me a question about your email, I don't want to. I just want to click on the emails and delete them all. L it's so per. I don' know, That's my feeling. is like I just get nervous when it's like, a breakthrough in agentic content creation. So number one Faxs. dropox. com is in fact a thing. I'm telling you. I feel like when I was early on in marriage, it was like two thousand eight or nine. I had to fax something somewhere and had to find a weird app to like try and send it and it never actually worked. but anyway That's the thing Number two It does feel like I don't think it just feels like it is. Aentic and agents is the buzword And I imagine companies feel a lot of pressure to just use that as like, hey, we're doing this too and Having great audio and video recording. is like the heart of what Riverside does It's not seexy anymore to just say that. because They do that. and it's one of those like, If a company always has to be growing, you have to be thinking like what is the new thing that they're doing? And so it is the agent thing. So I do think there's a of buuzzords there to play likeike Listen, Riverside has not pa me any money since last October when I You know They've never sponsored us. They' never sponsored. spons. they've never sponsored us.g Here's the number one. I It is still the best. They were There was some issue a couple of months ago when I was trying to record a Mac Power users episode And we had to it was when we were recording with Brett Turpstra And so I had to quickly spin up like a descript account because I was like, well we have figure out how record the show. and so that's the only other tool I know that would be pretty good. I know streamyards out there too, but We did it in DScript and it was man Bad Editing it is rough, likeike it's not good experience. so it's like, okay, clear like Riverside is still the best tool for all for just the Hording editing the video, getting it out there. So they've done that. they've accomplished that. And these new features are great But it does feel like when there's sometimes oversight of when they were launching the new editor recently They were weird bugs. and I think they gave me early access. So I had access before the public did It was you know, still in the development stage. But little things like if I try to overlay a video for the intro of this podcast and I tried to mute it, it didn't mute it. L it didn't do anything. and I didn't notice until on export and then I had to do the whole thing over again Little things like that versus like the boring tools to make audio editing better. like Give me the option to add a compressor or expander in the editor Because we still get comments about the audio of this show in Apple Podcasts The very complicated situation is I have to use the video edit for Apple Podcasts. So even if you only listen there, you're hearing the audio from the video edit which is different from the audio edit that I do by hand craftedesoke Yes, exactly. The bespoke edit. and If you want the best audio experience Support the show because all the member feeds are the audio versions. and I edit the show twice. I edit the show fully twice so we can have a better audio experience for those who really want that when you support the show. two dollars fifty cents a month, twenty five dollars a year there's link in the show not. any. Those are the tools that would not be super sexy. you know, for Riverside to say Riverside two point zero we added a compressor to the editor. That's not super fun Those of us who are like in the world would be like, hoay. Like I would use that more than the newsletter generator because we just don't do that really You can get a newsletter for this p. We do get a newsletter from this pod. But it's just the RS feed shown. So if you just want the links in your email, you can do that I don't need another service for it O the other other hand on the third hand s I want of my hands now. So what do you want to J's hands? like It does we just talked about subscription fatigue and all the AI companies wanting twenty dollars a month And if you are a creator and you're trying to do all the things and you're being told to do all the things by all the creator strategists who say, yeah, you need a podcast for developing relationship with the audience. You you need a newsletter ' that's direct access to your audience, but you also need to be doing clips on social media because that's how you get discovered. And your podcast needs to be on YouTube. That is overwhelming and A couple of years ago, you had to have maybe paid Riverside for the recording Paid Opus Clip for the clips, paid Beehive for the newsletter, paid this thing for the podcast hosting And to Riverside's credit They are trying to do everything under one roof. And so with this new update You can host your podcast on Riverside Have your newsletter there makeake social media clips and schedule them and do all the things in one place. And so While it is wrapped in some buzzwords, like agents and agentic and saying that twenty times in a video or a newsletter I also A understand why they're doing it and two there is some positive aspects to it, especially for smaller creators trying to figure it out and really struggled juggling like eighteen different services. Well, you could all do it in this one prettyret good. And it's a great recorder, it's one of the best recording platforms as well. So it's buzzwdy, but I get it Yeah. and I just I feel like I was trying to think of examples of apps and services that have just held the line for a long period of time and continued to just do essentially one thing. I really can't think of any. But but the problem is so like For example, I'm forced against my will to use slack and it's fine. I only use slack for the thing that you use slack Right? I don't use it for workspace or all these other like weird canvas things you can do with it. I just don I don't use it for calls. We could be recording this in slack right now, Stent. Why are we not doing that, right Just to be clear, I don't think Steven and I have ever slacked each other because we're not in any of the same slacks. we don't have a slack. We just use IMS. It's totally fine. Yeah. But you know I don't want to use Slack for document creation or any of the other things you can use sllack So I just use it for the one thing. and I use other things for the other things because they're better at that. And where it becomes a problem is when a company Ever notote is a great example It used to be so good at one thing And then they tried to do a bunch of other things and they got worse at that one thing because the other things they seemed thought would justify raising prices or whatever it might be. And I feel like That is always the risk with these companies. and I'm not saying Riverside will necessarily do that, but it's like Riverside's social scheduler will probably be more convenient and it will be one less subscription, but it probably won't be better than Buffer or Metro Cool or whatever R? And so there's there is a like I don't want you to get so good, I don't want you to pursue that 'causeuse there've been a number of times lately, Stehven Well I log into Riverside. And everything is suddenly changed. Yeah I just don't like that. Like just make it be the same for us And I think it you know The whatever you call it likeike the drop boxification of a service where you just keep feature creep. Yeah, feature creep It does feel like a company has to go one of two ways Fature creep where it tries to be the everything app like the other everything apps O which I think is harder to do to do one thing so well People will pay an additional monthly price because you do it the best and I'm going to say this because I'm very thankful for my shortcut membership supporters because it allows me to say no to a lot of brand deals and then also not care what I say on a podcast. And you know, it's kind of like the N Patel Vverge thing, likeike make me ungverned The shortcest membership does that. So thank you for tell us you cannot tell us what you can And so when I say what I'm about to say, keep that in mind. like not being paid to say it wouldn't care about a brand deal And thank you to everyone supporting the Shortcuts community because it's a huge deal transistor is what I host this podcast on and what I host all my podcasts on. Movies onn the sideide, this show, topop five Tick It's all on transistor. F And I could use Riverside to host those podcasts I do not want to. because Transistor is so good at being a host and has All the features, everything I want does it so well. Support is so good. I've now created some wild shortcuts using the transistor API that I can now upload episode artwork and all the show info through a shortcut And it makes distributing this show easier because I can send the title description the YouTube URL and the episode artwork to the main feed, the unedited feed, and the member feed all through one shortcut. And it's like, This is changing my game And it's so clear that they have brought so much value for this one thing It's worth it I would I don't whether they choose do it or not, I don't think they will But have Transistor ever launched like a way to record video and podcasts? I would start getting a littlecerned. because you inevitably You have a limited finite resources as a company. and if you try to do If you're doing a super well, but you're like, I think we got to do some of B to remain competitive. somethingomet in A is going to get sacrificed. Well, and it is not to this is a great that's a great example. It is not to be competitive. It is to grow Because what you're essentially saying is what if we were able to sell all of the people who are paying us now an additional thing instead of finding new people? It's so much harder to find new people to pay you for the thing you're good at. It's way easier to raise prices five dollars a month and introduce a bunch of features that the people who are already paying you don't care about, right? And so that is actually a perfect example. But inside the company, it's like, How are we going to continue to grow? We see that line starting to do this.'s what if we expand into a new feature that we could charge people for? And you're right, that is a problem. And it occurred to me that all the apps that I can think of Like Ulysses things, I'm looking at my doc right now. Like Th these are all apps that just do basically one thing, but also none of them are like SaaS interternet services R? Like Ulysses, they didn't they didn't expand into other stuff. They're just still my favorite writing and they're always going to be. But if Ulysses automatically suddenly added a window that said tell me what you want to write about today, I would jettison that thing like so fast. likeike a tick off of my leg. I would just be like Burn it off. Yes. to do it. And that's So we did a bonus episode for MacPower Users and it was with Chris Bailey and Oh, from the Focus podcast ive me. I forget. I forgot his name'es Ring theo but anyway we did What's Mike? Yeah, Mike Mike. Yeah. We did a productivity app draft where we have to choose one app for like notes, one app for tasks, one app for calendar, and then once one picks it, the other people can't pick it And as we were recording that episode, it was like This is something unique about the Apple ecosystem and apps is that There are so many niches where an app can do one thing super well And it's worth it. And it's not even so much that I will pay for it every month But I have an affinity for it. Y And that affinity is an intangible value. like I have an affinity for transistor I know Justin personally we're friends. so there's that part Yes, like I get to text these guys and so there's all of that. But I also just love the platform. like I tried every other host and I have an affinity for it. And as we were doing this draft for apps, When we got to NotesA, I knew no one would take it because all these guys just use like markdown files and obsidian. But when we got to N nototes, I was like, bare Bear notes, it is such a single purpose like Ulysses for you Bear nototes for me is just it does what I want. It works how my brain works There's nothing else and I pay for it every year because I love it and I have an affinity for it. And that feeling is what is so hard to develop as a brand, as a company to have your users and customers have that affinity for your brand that you know, you do feature creep because you can get the new users and attract someone that way I mean, this is why We have a podcast that is largely about Apple and I do need to channel about Apple stuff because there is an affinity for the brand that has grown for decades for people. so There's great Riverside Lunch great features here and kudos to them. You know, I sent them an email this morning and I was like, Hey can I get MCP service? I want tona try it. you know, I just want to try. And they're g giveing me access. But For any company out there like Balance the feature creep versus doing something so well that if you do nothing else, people will still pay you for it kind of what I aim for And it there is just this It's just hard because You know, in some ways it's not really fair to compare an app like Ulysses or Bear or Yeah things. all of which like they're very successful Very successful. overcast. like a very successful in Marco is always trying to add new features, but he's never going to be like, what if you could record your podcast and listen to it in overcast. Now, I'm not saying he might not someday be like, what if I make a new app? That's totally different. That's fine. But like There's The you do get to a point though. where If you're just a small indie app and even if you're a very successful one, you don't you don't owe anyone else anything But as soon as you do I have investors, I have outside people, stakeholders. Now I have to continue that progression. and that's just just makes it very hard. So It makes it hard. So we'll see. We This is a recording with Riverside right now. We'll just say that. Hey I like Riverside. I pay for Riverside. I've never se it there.'ve never been sponsored by them There you go. That's it All right we should may lightning round? Yeah, let's just start lightning round because there's a bunch of stuff. We talked about Sonnet five coming out. Well, OpenAI also had some models they announced, but then they have to release very slowly because of something something US government and security. So GPT five point six Soul Terra and Luna coming out soon It is amazing to me, I just want to say It is amazing to me that the most effective marketing is we made a thing that could kill civilization, so we have to be careful That's we That is where we are. Listen. We made a literal medieval night riding a polar bear, but not really. but maybe if we say What? What was that? Well, we're supposed to talk about something in one of our sections that we didn't talk about last week and we can talk about it because I don't know why this made me think of it, but we gotta talk about Toy Story five. So we gott to add that to something so. Anyway, sorry, moving on. just I don't know why hereere's what happened. My brain was like, what if the medieval night on the polar bear came alive? Well That's what I was th that made me think of Toy Story, which I saw last night. And then I remembered we were supposed to talk about it Yeah. Okay. sorry. Mving we We have to do a little bit of organization. So that's so good. That'll be personal take because then we have to talk about T story. All right, So that's the GPT five hundred six Al also opening our announced kind of teased hardware. keyboard It's a keyboard that does Codex stuff So technically every keyboard doess Codex technically you can use any keyboard. I actually thought the point of Codex was that it wasn't happening on my computer. It was happening someomeone else was doing it Something like that. I don't know. So they teased that. WhatsApp now that you reserve usern? Did you reserve your WhatsApp username? So I try, but it's like not available. If this is your Instagram name, go in and connect your Instagram to your Facebook meta business not account make meta accounts and I'm like and I stopped So I'm going to do it at some point. I reserved a name, but I don't know, you probably shouldn't make it public, right? Because then people could just text you with that name. I guess So you have some de's the goal. you're supposed to like There's gott to be a privacy feature where you can be like only allow people who are in my contacts. There is that says only allow people to message you with your username and a token if you have a token, I guess, or I' got walk around carrying tokens and give them to people. somethingomething like that. I don't know The Supreme Court ruled that the president can now just fire FTC commissioners at will. So that's cool. Not really. that was sarcastic, but Yeah, it's tough. I mean, yeah There's stuff out there. There's that. before people send those messages or comment. I just want I'm not going to say anym more about what I think about it other than to say, this is the perfect example of one of those super complicated things. There's a lot of nuance to it because the two sides of the argument is this is an independent regulator. so the White House, the administration, whoever should not interfere with it at all on the other side of the argument is said But that we don't have a fourth branch of government in this country. So like how do you reconcile those two things and And that's what the Supreme Court was trying to do? And it's really just very complicated. and I'm thankful that I don't work for the government or any organ. they can't regulate us, Steven. They canot tell us what to say. Can't tell us what to say out Ramagid A company is trying to, South Korea, tech giants are trying to ease the ramagedon Maybe building new fabs, which again will take years. I'm hoping this doesn't last for years, but I don't know.ve I listened to the ATP guys talk about this and they're like, it's probably going to get worse before it gets better because a lot of this stuff has been logged, you know, products that were already produced, and now we're hitting it because the production that has been gone on months ago. So don't I don't know, man. is this arere we in for years of this? Okay, there's three scenarios. One scenario is the bubble burst sooner rather than later, in which case That's going to be bad. in a lot of ways it would be bad if the bubble burst because there's so much economic activity in that's just focused in this one area, but there would be good there wouldd be good outcomes. right The second one is that the bubble continues to grow. It doesn't burst, but we're able to make up the capacity. at some point and there's an equilibrium. And then I don't know that prices come like way back down necessarily. The only way the prices come way back down is the bubble bursts. But then again, we have other problems. And I don't remember the third scenario, but there's another option of like I don't know that we're in for years of this because I do think that it's It is more likely that capacity will spin up spin up's a bad t turn because it implies like it happens fast. right But more capacity will come online over time And O. would like it will just some of these companies will collapse or consolidate or whatever. So because I don't think it' I don't think it's sustainable for this to continue like I'm I hope so. just You know, I want to be able to the most concerning thing though is like the outcome that's seemeems most likely is. People will stop buying iPhones and computers and whatever else that take RAM and storage because they just become too expensive to be worth it at this point And that would put pressure on. so Apple's not selling as many. so they're not buying as much. So that lowers the demand requirements on these except You have companies like MicCron, which is like they just killed Crucial, which was their consumer focus thing because it was just so much more profitable to sell all this all the SSD storage and RAM into the AI companies. And so right now you just because you have the hype cycle on the one end where they just keep feeding money into these companies and then they just take all that money and give it to NvIidia basically. right? Like no one cares if we stop buying iPhes, it seems like But I mean, Apple will care for sure. I mean, Right, But what I'm saying is Is that enough pressure If there if there's lower demand of iPhones, is that right now proportionately enoughressure pressure because Apple couldn't get the favorable pricing that it needed with all of that volume So is that enough pressure? that prices would start to come down and find an equal like a balancing point. So. see We'll see. O of the Supreme Court thing This was a Supreme Court And the Supreme court ruled that law enforcement using a geofence warrant was search and enabled by the Fourth Amendment And so the story is There was a robbery, I believe He was convicted of a bank robbery in twenty nineteen And authorities asked Google T loation of people's devices to see if they were in the area of the robbery at the time of the robbery And Google provided that information So this shows that the location history That's on by default on all Android phones was able to be used in a case to say who was near this event at this time which raises a bunch of privacy concerns, right there And the Supreme Court was like, yeah, that's legit to be able to use that. So Well, basically what they were saying because in the past, what would happen is they would just ask these companies, can you give us all this data? And those companies would do that. Now what they're saying is you have to have a search warrant And the standard of a search warrant is higher than what they were using before. So in a search warrant, they have to go to a judge and say, I believe for a search warrant, you have to have probable cause that a crime has been committed, right? and that you're trying to you believe it has to be narrowly focused on. We believe this person was in this area. So we need this data to either to collect that evidence, as opposed to just, could you just show us all the people who are in this area, which is a very different thing And this is good for privacy. Like this is we can it will make it harder for them to solve crimes. That's not a great thing But the trade off is it is better for the privacy of everybody. That's it yeah And you know, Apple has the frequent locations feature as well I don't think it's ever been peen it and used in a court case or whatever, but If you wanted to see the I think it's if you either download your iCloud data or do something. like you could see all the little pins of like your frequent locations that Apple has marked and like it's there. I mean, that's why it knows when you get in your car, it'll tell you how far it to work, You know, like it'' use those kinds of features Allright, and lastly, before we get to Toy Story five Apple is going to get a take two of its case against Epic Games. And so I think it was twenty twenty two It was ruled that Apple had to allow for linking in apps to purchases outside the app store They allowed the links but put a commission, a fee on even the transactions that were done when someone went to an outside website link from an app And if you remember, Judge Yvan Gonzalez Rogers was like, you're in contempt because you did not follow the law as I intended. And so Apple has had to make some concessions, but they're going to get a chance to go to the United States Supreme Court And here their case about the linking and anti steering rules. So we will see if Apple and Epic, if it goes backwards, Will Apple get what it wants and be able to charge even for the linking out of apps or not? We will see. Well, and basically what happened is that Apple is appeeling the contempt finding Right and that contempt finding, you know, in the past it was like Something, something something, you have to go back and you have to find out like what the right commission amount should be. because we don't think it should be zero, but it shouldn't be thirty. and Apple was like, it should be twenty seven if we're like in the three and they like you didn't actually do the work, you're in contempt. So. But essentially it's like they I believe that the judge said it was zero Or I can't remember exactly what it was. So the A apple ended up charging twelve to twenty seven percent for those linkouts instead of fifteencent to thirty percent Yeah. So okay, right And so But I believe that the judge's order said that they couldn't charge anything And that's what they're appealing. They're like, yeah, no, no, no. that's You told us we had to go and do our homework We didn't really do our homework, but this isn't the other outome. Like if we had done our homework, we wouldn't have found that the answer is zero Right? You're probably right. it wouldn't have been twelve and thir twenty seven. It probably would have been something else. And they're basically appealing that Because they don't think that they should be in contempt. And so they're getting like a seventeenth bite at the apple or something, I guess. noend at. Wow. So anyway, yeah, so we'll see you about that. All right we'll talk about to story five ' you saw did you see with your whole family? Joe? Yeah, actually. So we went with a group that had rented out an entire theater Well, that's pretty sweet. Yeah. It was actually strange to be in a movie theater with like one hundred and twenty people that you know. We've done that once. It's a very interesting experience. Yeah, it is interesting. It It's fun ish And then you're like, Oh, this is how these people are in movies. It was fun. It was probably people were a little bit more free willing and willing to like ot and hollllow or something like that. But also was great because the theater that we went to has like serve yourself popcorn and sodas. So like the ticket came with a cket bucket and a cup and you're like fill it with whatever you want. That. My kids are like, they have their cup for their drink and they have a bucket for the popcorn and they're like, what if we fill the bucket with the slush soda and we fill the Yeah, anyyway, B brring your own five gallon bucket So I love Toy Story five. you know, with the Toy Stories like, how many do they need to do? Should they shouldhould they have topped at three? You know, I think a lot of people thought four was okay, but three was like Maybe just ender the trilogy I find after seeing five I'm very glad they did it It's the first time it feels like Toy Story was Not only being Toy Story and Pixar and having a wonderful story, but like really Pressing on like a cultural topic that I don't think Toy Story had done before And I think it was both timely And well done. and a really great conversation starter for kids and for parents, all that kind of stuff. But what were your general impressions? Mhm I This actually felt like it was a Toy story written by Um The inside Out team. Sure, yes Pete Dctor was the executive producer by. Yeah. Andrew Stant, I think was the director. Andstand was the director writer, I believe. Yeah And so I thought it was good I had a hard time Not because of all the buckets of popcorn rout but because there's a couple of moments in this that in order to This felt like it was actually like a three hour movie that they had to like because of the amount of stuff they wanted to fit into like the moment where shes arere we allowed to just do spoilers? This isn't. We're gonna do spoilers if you haven't seen this.. The moment where she's this spoiler will make no sense to anyone. Any of you haven't seen it, but she's under the tree and she finds the lunchbox. Yeah, yeah, yeahah. And she makes all the connections. I'm like, that was just too easy All of that connection point happened way too Oh you're struggling because you feel like you have no meeting because you've been discarded and then suddenly you realize that your favorite kid named her daughter after you. Like that was just too convenient I also cried at that pointent It was just way too convenient though. Sure. And we then it made it seem like we should have gotten the payoff if we get to actually see that person again And did I was hoping yeah, I was kind of hoping we would see that person I think it was her name. Yeahah. Yeah, like on a riding on a horse and you just kind of like comes through the. I don't even know how she's just like standing at the stop sign or when the little kids run across the street. Did you notice, by the way, when the two little kids run across the street at the end, they stop and look both ways Did you notice? No? I didn't notice it then they pauseed and then they run. I was just happy they crossed the street because earlier in the movie they made fun of her. Sure, but they came across the street and they I think they stopped and looked. I'm like, those are well trained children. That. Anyway I think that there is There was so many things that it touched on. It touched on the culture of eliminating friction online and what people would do in group chats that they would never do in person U My twelve year old did not want to go to see this movie, and now I understand why Because he didn't want us to have I don't think I think he knew what it was about. He's like, I don't want you to see this parents. So you know, the whole preurmise of the movie is LilyPad, which is like an iPad style device is given to what's the girl's name? I forget There's Blaze and Bonnie. body. So it's given body who, you know, got all of Andy's toys. I think it was at the end of Toy Story three. And so she gets a tablet and turns all her attention to the tablet and ignores the toys. And at the beginning of the movie, there's multiple scenes where the toys are like, The age of toys is over. Like it's the age of devices now. Well, and she's like the last kid on Earth who plays with toys, except for the one other kid. That's the thing. L kid exactly And so there's the struggle of the tablet versus the actual toys in imaginative play. And it's you know, you could say that that is on the nose. but I think the movie hits a couple ideas that are poignant. One when the movie ends The device doesn't disappear or get thrown in the trash There is a recognition of like deevices are here And they do have their uses in the movie. It's like, let's take a selfie with a device and Bonnie and Blaze connected via the device. Like it is the chat feature there that actually helps them find a real friend Well, I mean, their agents find a real friend for them Well, their' coored. They're coorage the interomorphize toys. But I think then we did a good job of saying like we're not throwing the tablet in the trash at the end of this movie. We're showing and the tablet wanted to do that. The tablet was like, I'm going to run away and be done with myself because I've made a horrible mess of things. But I think they do a good job of being like, no, devices are here, they're going to have a use. and they can be useful But We also need to be careful because there could be group chats where a girl gets made fun of and harassed. and that was also in the movie. So I thought the movie did a good job of showing the challenges of these devices and showing that they still have a place, it's not that we're going to get rid of them entirely. And also Just how difficult it is for younger people to make friends in today's world I appreciated them that Putting that on the big screen Because if you are a kid who's nine, ten, eleven years old And you don't have a device or you have very limited time on the device because your family has imposed that or because your country has has a social ban. like Whatever the reason The difficulty in connecting with other kids your age who do have and are on devices is very difficult, albeit untenable Like she go Bonnie goes for the sleep overver And she's the only one that doesn't have a device. and in that context Right or wrong, it becomes impossible to connect with these other girls And so I appreciate that the challenge on the screen to help empathize, I think, with kids who might be feeling that And then also for parents to understand, it is difficult Yeah For a kid to connect with other kids in today's world if they're not in the technology space And so I appreciated that all those messages it's just saying the quiet part out loud And I think hopefully validating the challenges that kids feel and validating the challenge that the adults feel And I will say there was a scene early in the movie where It kind of pans across the neighborhood at night. And you see in all the windows of the houses and every person just has a glow on their face from the device they're on, both kids and adults And I think, you know, that's something to keep in mind. I feel like that scene had a little bit of a wally feel to it A little bit of a wally feel, which, yeah, you could say the Pixure have been doing this since the Wally day like That was exactly that It was That was I guess ahead of its tie. Toy Story five is Wally Meet Inside O That's right. That's right Yeah, and it was it was doing a lot the movie. I did love Conan O'Brien as the voice of the device thing. He was pretty funny But Anyway, I identified with it a lot because I know my kids have their struggle. Like they have devices There are also friends that use devices more than them and vice versa, they might use devices more than some of their other friends And that is an added challenge to friendship in today's culture for kids, that I don't think existed like in the nineties Like How much you use your telephone at home, I don't think was a barrier to making friends. And I don't know if there was a similar barrier back then I do want to say for our listeners, I did really like the movie I really did and I likek the message I sometimes get a little hung up on the idea that like the toilet paper toy can send emails. That was plot h. And then it got a really good signal because of all the buuzzlightears where self contained hotspots. I'm like ye hang on, wait a second. No one's paying that subscription for the hotspots. especially. Yeah, literally no one is paying those subscriptions right now because these toys just fell off of a boat. We' going on the airplane literally Exactly exactly. And so I was like, hang on, this is just a little bit too convenient for some of this but anyway, I thought it was very good There actually was a lot of agent stuff happening. It's like, I got to play this game for her so she can be get enough points to do the thing. It's like so there was a lot of layers of stuff that's going on. I do think I only really my only p is I felt like I had such an So much of the message to say Yeah ye that it had to get to some of the points a little too conveniently. in order to continue to make it. Like I do think that that was my biggest thing. It's like You just got to Discarded. And suddenly like within the next scene, you found the thing. that made you feel like you had value. Sure. Yeah I could say it happened kind of fast too and out of the blue and it felt a little like there's too many storylines It's like we need to make this piece fit in order for the other parts to fit. So let's do it this way. but nobody sat back and watchhed it and goes, well hang on that just felt too convenient. But overall, I mean, I appreciated that it exists and the thing it said the things it said, highly recommend Highly recommend and I mean, I cried probably twenty times during this movie Re. Yes. What do you mean really? I cried zero times But have you what have you ever cried at a movie How'm I in real? Father of the bride? Are you kidding me? Come on. Yes, I've cried at movies.. Interstellar I don't think I cried during Instellar. I cried during interterstell. I don't think I cri during interstellar When he's good like that scene is so when he's crying because his daughter is like thirty something years old. Well, you know, maybe I did actually cry during interstellar because it's like the idea of missing out on all of that. L Yeah Actually that's a devastating thing My boys actually started watching it the other day and I'm like, Nope, you can't watch it. We're gonna watch this together. We will watch it Oh because you haven't seen it together yet. No, ourur boys had never seen it before and they were looking for something to watch and they turned on an interall and I'm like, stop nope where got to watch definitely watch this.. But this is an experience that we are all going to have together I'm glad to do that one hundred percent because I've forced my kids to watch them multiple times The first time My two younger kids weren't old enough to really get everything that was happening. And then we wanted to watch it again recently like a few months ago And my middle son was like, Oh, this might be my favorite movie. Okay, I totally I feel like it is one of the entries in the canon of movies that people should see and so it's like we're going have to see this one together That's it. Last thing I'll say about Toy Story five I think this should be the last one they make. I don't think this should be a Toy Story six. I'll say that But when the buuzzlight years have the drone propellers in their backs, right It's ridiculous and hilarious But when they're carrying like old Woody and Buzz and he sees that like Buzz actually flies, like the new version of Buzz can really fly, callall back to the very first tooy story. I cried again. I cried again Be, you know, it's like Buzz, you really fly We're flying in style That was the other part that was a little bit too convenient is that the little liily pad thing is able to do an upgrade on all of them and suddenly they have wings with drone. Yeah sure. It was Well it's important about itself So I need to ask you your july fourth plan. Are you going to be in England on july fourth? I am going back to the midd country apparently for the fourth of July. I am the only American. I'm not the only one, but I am an American going to England for the fourth of July which they do not celebrate. Right in England. I will tell you. I will tell you my plan. Yeah, they prefer to not talk about it. I'm going to wear my Hamilton, you'll be back shirts Wow He'll be back I mean, okay, that's literally what it's about. Oh So good I'll send a full battalion to remind you of M just't. you didn't spit enough I didn't spin it on such a good song. Anyway, we're gonna talk about Jason in England for july fourth. We probably have listeners there. I don't know if if they're be right. You should do a meetup or something. I tried to do a meet up, I'll tell you about it offline and't. Okay, we're gonna to record bonus episode. I got hear about this. You can hear the bonus episode, get the best audio experience, get the chapters, the chapter artwork are on or unedited feed, which we have like a thirty minute pre show today and we do every week. You can get prrimary teech da, You get all the things. justust support the show. We appreciate all of you who do that. 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