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You start pretending to have fun, you might even have a little by accident Welcome to Primary Tchnology show about the techn thatatters We're here live at WWDC in the Apple Park podcast stududio. We're going to go through all the announcements, and it's great because this is a well considered take, not just a hot take because I've been playing with all the betas, Jason's got the betas on there. So let's get right into it. This episode is brought to you by Nord Layer, Keper, MacPa, and you, the members who support us directly. One of your host, Sthen Roblz join As always, by my friend Jason Ayon. How's going Jason I'm good Rockid This is fun. Today's quote was brought to you by Siri AI. Do you know what movie that's from Well, I don't remember any movie where Sir AI says stuff. I think it was Well it from what was Pennyworth? which one? Batman Mgins mayvbe? You nailed it, Yes, you nailed it again for our WW episode. That was Batman McGins. I'm gonna be showing several Siri AI conversations because spoiler it's actually pretty good. But yeah, they actually got that quote from Siri AI. So real quick fiveive star reviews, JD Stors from the USA uppdated their review to fiveive stars. Thank you for that. Mendosi from Australia. inspired by crazy stories of vibe coding and tried to themselves. We're going to talk about some vibe coding and vibe extensions in a minute But Jason We're here. We did it. How many devices are running the beta for you Well, technically you're there and I'm here, but that's cool. I I have three devices right now running the beta, an iPhone air, a MacBook, Neo, and the Vision Pro I've been playing around with all of the twenty seven s sameame. I will say Vis you're doing your M five vision proro, right? withith beta I will say even my M two Vision Pro. I updated straight to the beta Much better experience, which is kind of the theme of the keynote in the event. We're going to talk about some of the improvements that Apple has done, but Wiifi connected faster. The Vision Pro just in general felt faster And I'm bullish. I'm optimistic about the improvements I'm I'm just going to say onm my Vision Pro, I'm so glad that I've been taking panoramic photos because I took a panoramic photo in twenty fourteen of Cammerica Park at a Tigers game and it is now my environment that I work in. And it is amazing that you can now do that That That is the best feature in the newew Vision OS. I actually took a panoramic the morning of the keynote looking out into the ring just during the breakfast area, which Last year, I did not make it up to the media breakfast. I didn't realize like I missed that whole thing I was always I was on the first floor, which I guess is like developer breakfast. I actually made it up to the third floor and did a panoramic and made that into an environment in Vvision Pro. And it is incredible. And so now I wish I had taken more panoramas for years, but I will be starting right now because it's impressive. This is not just You know, there was a feature where you can expand a panoramic in Vision Pro and look around a little bit, but this makes it a spatial scene and then an environment. And in my panoramic of Apple Park like you could look down and see like picnic tables and the depth of those versus the rainbow stage in the distance. I mean, it's truly impressive. It was fun s What's your favorite personal, panoramicvironment mean of I O of your panoramas. Well, like the Camica Park is pretty cool Also I have a bunch of panoramas when we went to Alaska four or five years ago and those are just incredible. It's like basically the things that Apple has already put in there as panoramas, only they're places I've been. rightight? exactly.'s awesome. Side note, I learned yesterday you can have thirty four total environments from your panorama images. thirty four. Okay. I think I have seventeen I put in there. I just like all the good panoramas I put in there and I just started ye Soone someone actually said that number yesterday. So in case youre. So I thought we could break down All the announcements into three and I've been playing with them withver several days. you know, the system improvements I think there's some hidden agents and foldable hints in some of the features. Siri AI. And then the prinntal controls I want to cover at end because it's actually re prettyty significant. You know we both use screen time and pntal controls a lot I thought it was interesting, you know, the keynote. Last night, I stripped all silences from the keynote, and if you remove the intro and outro music It's an hour and two minutes So you remove all the pauses waiting for Si AI to like do a response in one hour, two minutes, flat just from people talking But and it was very different keyne, obviously, you know we've people talked about this, but rather than go platform by platform, it was very much hereere's Everything coming to everything. And we're just going to talk about all the devices throughout. nothing, you know, little specific things here and there. So How do that feel to you When was the moment you realized it was going to be a very different keyote? Beuse for me, it was the moment where Craig Federigi was like, we know you all just wanted the name. So I don't know what the name is but I have a note. I'm like, hold on This is gonna be very different.w The Volkswagen bus was hilarious thought I thought he was really being serious about they're not going to name MacOS anymore. because I remember I heard the ATP guys talking about that, like maybe they won't do this forever. And so I was like, o, no, this is like the year, but no, sure enough. We got Golden Gate as the year. Think when It was a little farther in when they I spent more than ten minutes on the parental controls. I was like, this is very different. I've never heard this much about screen timee in a keynote But I was thankful for it, and I got more details about that too Also, it felt like this was the year of Apple is embracing like vibe coding I mean, it obviously describe a shortcut, which we can get into some details later basasically like vibe coding a shortcut There's the incredible new feature about creating an extension, just like a personal saafari extension just by describing it And I put it in a video I published just this morning Like I asked for an extension that tells me the image resolution of something on a website when I tap it And extension just works. And that was on my phone. That wasn't even on my Mac And there's agents and like passwords, which can like change your passwords if it's compromised without you even going to the website. So it just feels like there's so much adoption of like vibe coding feeling things and agents and I wanted to share one picture, I'm allowed to share this, I'm pretty sure in a briefing. We're going to find out real soon if you're allowed to share it. As I'm going to be rushed to the stage. All eighteen people in this room are just gonna tackle me But There was a AI area where they showed off AI and different things. They they had to draw things app. That had shortcuts. But LM Studio, the Makers of LM Studio which is a Mac app that allows you to use local models. They had the set upp at this table fourour Max Studios maxed out So like five hundred gigabytes of unified memory each, which I don't think they even sell that Mac stududio anymore. because it's, you know, constraints But this thing had two terabytes of unified memory collectively. They had them in a Not a raid, but you know what I mean, all collective talking to each other a node.. And they were just showing off local LLMs doing things like coding And annotating images and doing all these things locally and models using models. It just felt very much like Apple is embracing this And I thought back like two or three years ago It was rare to hear Apple say AI in general. was everything was machine learning Maybe LLM, but AI wasn't anything until Apple Intelligence. and then that's what it stood for But now it's very much, I mean, Siri, literally the name is AI So I don't know, didid you get that vibe Well, I think I mean Yes, I think also this is a thing we know that these LLMs are good at likeike they're good at coding and they are good at that sort of thing. I'll be real interested in like after you've had more time to play with the shortcuts, how what those limitations are because they're not like there are still They don't know all of the possible things. likeike I remember listening to Vitici talk about how he built whatever thing he built like the CTL for for shortcuts or whatever he did. Like he had to like spend all of that time just trying things and then reinforcement learning and then figuring out where the edges are. So I'll be interested like in what you think about that. But yeah, this is the thing that they're good at and along with that they make those features more accessible to more people because the number like no one that I know except for like you bring the average way up because no one I know does shortcuts at all. But count if I count you, everyone I know does a million shortcuts because you do like a trillion. But most people don't And the reason is they just it requires them to get their brain into a frame of mind of like, yeah, I know I want to do a thing and maybe my phone could do it, but I don't know where to start Being able to start by typing the words into the thing Like, that's a huge huge win Yeah and That was rumored. It came true. A bunch of people on social media were like, Ohh, no, do you have a job anymore I think this is more exciting because one, it's going to open up shortcuts to way more people. People who are intimidated at first, who didn't know anything about building a shortcut They're going to try for the first time And then if it does it, Even close to good, they're going to want to know more. they're going to want more shortcs. I think it's good It's nice that we're recording kind of midwek now because I've now heard lots of stories, gotten to talk to people And just as a side note on the describe a shortcut of a teaci, I've been talking to them all week And he had been trying to do describish shortcuts with very long prompts because typically with other LLMs, you would want to do a very verbose, detailed, complex request And he was struggling. L the shortcuts would struggle to build those things. But after I heard that, I talked to someone and they said, actually, just tell it what you want. L tell it the end result And you'll probably get a better shortcut And sure enough, I actually went back and one of the things I wasn't sure if it would be able to do was use external APIs and build the G Cents of URL in the shortcut and actually get it all right But I was, All right, well let me give it kind of a brief Just tell me what I tell the, what I want And I asked it, build a shortcut that uses the open AI API where I can ask a question and then just show me the result And that was it. L that was the entire prompt. And if you know, or if you've seen my shortcut that does that, there's lots of embedded dictionaries and there's complex like JSON that you have to pull from the API result And Jason It did it And it built the shortcut. It got everything right in the getit contents of URL. asked it a second time to do it with the anthropic API And it got that right as well And so I think I'm even more bullish now after trying it several times When it comes to super long like multiple if statements, one of the new features in shortcuts is like else if. so rather than having to embed Multiple if statements you'll be able to do like otherwise, if It remains to be seen, like how complex can get there, but I was impressed. I'm excited about it So I was just happy that I got both of the things I want What were the two things you wanted? You don't even remember we did this whole lot show. There's only two things about one is that developers would have access to the off device models.. The developers would be able to use private Cloud comppute, huge thing, and that they would finally have figured out the app intense. so that the developers can link ind series And both of those things happened and it somebody with an app in the app store that was waiting for both of those things to happen excited in fact I got emails like an hour and a half after the keynote. They're like, hey, when you if if you're done with this could I get on the beta and I'm like, dude, like I haven't written an article about this. I haven't changed the app at all. Like I haven't even downloaded Xcode twenty seven yet. Come on. I I need to find out how to integrate Apple Intelligence into my cooffee Finder app That all it does. find coffee shops near you. now mechanism All right. So let's talk about system improvements. They started the keynote with this. There was the wall of two hundred and sixty three, I believe items. And I'm going to link in the show notes, Basic Apple Guy, friend of the show He actually took the whole wall of text and actually made a bullet pointed list, a numbered list. actually open this in one of my meetings this week to be like Let me ask about this. What is this? And so there's two hundred and sixty three total system improvements. and I actually heard Fr someone inside like they said snow leopard And so that snow Leopard update that so many of us have been hoping for, asking for is it? I think even internally, this is something that that's how they view it. and Promoting the beta This has been the most Stable beta, like I went through this whole gmor world, Jason, if you remember of like doing another partition on my Mac to install the beta You remember all that Oh yeah, toottally remember that conversation Well, last night I said screw it. I put it on my main MacBook air, my main account. I'm using it right now to like do the riverside and share the screen And it's great. It's real and it's wonderful. And the system improvements are clear. You know, a lot of them like air drop being eighty percent faster And not just the transfer speed, we heard that it's going to be like the people showing up in the share sheet when you start airdrop, that's going to be faster the actual reliability of seeing people. like everything has been improved. We talked about Vision Pro, the Wi Fi speed Wi Fi and cellular handoffs. So like when you're leaving your house and your iPhone is still like hanging on by a thread to your wiifi and just refuses to let go. all of that is going to get better. The messages sync where the counter and badge might not be in sync across like your iPhone and your iPad, That's supposed to get better And I mean, I just already feel all those improvements. and so I'm excited they actually they did it. Like they did the thing. They spent a year just doing all the improvements. And from what I haveve seen, even on I installed the betat on my iPad, my MacBook air, my iPhone air and the Vision Pro And I've had one app Sarehot, which I love Sharehot. That app doesn't open right now. That's like the one issue that I've found so far. But everything has been solid. I mean, how has it felt to you? On the iPhone, I think it's been great. That's one I've had it on the longest. I did that immediately And there's a couple of random things. I'm still on the waiting list for the new theory. I'm still getting a little bit So that means you are obviously not on the waiting list anymore for the new Siri. We're going to do Siri in real time right here, Jason. I got my Siri app and on the screen shared in a second If it's if it wasn't bad enough that youd just have to sit there and gloat ' you're sitting in Apple Park, you're gonna also justoat about the fact that you have it. I wish you were here. I. It's good. I've been there. I got there first. I know. I know. Wow, Okay. Okay a little jab in there. kid.'s kid. No, but it's been great on the Mac. All the things that they fixed. It's amazing to me how many things that they fixed seemingly in response to feedback, which is a good thing. It does also seem a little bit uncharacteristic from what we what we've experienced in the past. Not that Apple doesn't listen to to its users But it doesn't I haven't other than the safari couple years ago with the tab bar like how worked on the film. Yeah, which they which they walked back before the betas were before they shipped the main version. But we don't typically see that kind of thing. And I mean, even stuff like now the sidebars in Not go find her They've done back. likeike all that stuff. So I'm very happy with it. They made very clear in several meetings that they listened to users. They even mentioned social media as something that they looked at for feedback. They listen to developers and users And so they made it very clear. E at the tech talkk, which after the keynote, there was a small group of us. They got to go to like another theater. And you'd probably saw lots of clips and videos of that It was really interesting because Craig Federigi, he did a lengthy of explanation And we were allowed to record the audio. so I did that. I didn't get a chance to like transcribe and actually I needed to learn more about the behind the scenes of Siri AI in the LLM There were a couple of things he made very clear was one, like we heard users and feedback and this is a response to that. And two, SiriAI is not Gemini. Like there was one thing he was trying to make clear is he spent twenty minutes with like multiple diagrams on screen talking about how We use Gemini foundation models, but you know to do something with AppAI. It's unclear. like if Did Apple distill Gemini models? Is it like meshed it together somehow, like it's unclear To me, at least, how the technical side works on that But he said even during that tech talk, like it's not Gemini. Like when you ask zer AI something, it is not Gemini, it's not doing that And even just so much as like we send as little information up to the cloud when you make a request as possible And so I need to do more data and digging into that. But it was all that to say Very clear that user feedback was listened to Things like the corner radii. You know, they even said, we heard from you about corner radi and we fixed that We also got not maybe it's an impro not a fix, but four home secure video camera recording. That's been amazing. I texted you soon. I was like, did they just say the thing you've been asking for? I think it's been like six years. It's been six years and we finally got it. We didn't get pain and tilt controls in the home M app, but one step at a time. know, we don't move too fast. Baby steps. No Baby steps. But I'm excited for the improvements there across the platforms. And before we get to some of like the hidden agent stuff A lot of people have been posing on social media about hints in the new betas about foldable rumors. You know, the rumors that the iPhone foold is going to come this year And there's two pretty distinct things. One, an iPhone app on the iPad. If you install an app on the iPad and it just has an iPhone version, There's no more like the one X two X, you just blow up the iPhone app. You can actually reformat the app onto the iPad screen. which is wild. And then for iPhone mirroring, this is even more crazy If you iPhone mirror in the IiOS twenty seven betas from your iPhone to your Mac You can now expand that iPhone mirroring window And the app will format larger, like whatever after you're looking at. it will format like a mini tablet and it's like All right, we we all see what you're doing here guys. I mean, do you think I mean, this year? I mean, is do you think so That's what the rumors are I gota careful because I don't I don't want the bouncers to come in Oh, that's very true. But I think, I mean, It would make sense that that you would start incorporating those features now if what you were going to do is release it this fall It doesn't make sense to have those features incorporated if you're not going to releit until next year And yeah And there's even developer tools. I forget what the app is called, but where you can like preview your app and all the different devices in this one window thing and it does the same thing, you know, exppland the window. But before we get Siri AI So I feel like hidden agents are an interesting point here. I mentioned it before, but like the Cate an extxtension in Safari, but there's also this amazing feature. I signed up for change detection. io and set up an elaborate like push cut automation to do what Apple released as a feature this week, which is nototify me and Safari O if you're on a webpage like of the Unified Travel router, which I'm going talk about for like two minutes at the end of this episode because I love it, and it's amazing. But if you want to be notified when it's back in stock, it's now just a built in feature. You tap the extension area in Safari in the address bar You can say notify me, tell it the change. you want to be notified. This could be for price drops or changes for out of stock notifications. and then you will get a notification. It can check. hourlyaf. I believe or daily I'm sorry. I think it checks daily. so it can't be like Every thirty minutes, look at this price, if it's like a really in demand item You can do the notify me and Someone asked, you can it even works if Safari is closed So it's unclear like is that living in the cloud? Like how is that notification working? But it doesn't sync to other devices. So if you set up and notify M me and Safari on your iPhone, you won't get the notification on your Mac. It is kind of locked to the device, which is interesting But that feels like an agent like working on your behalf. The passwords that I talked about where the passwords app will just go out and fix your passwords. navigate those websites behind the scenes without you even having to go to it That feels wild And a lot of the image tools feels not agentic, but you just see more and more of the generative thing Which there were mixed emotions about that, I feel like when the photo stuff came up You know, we've had clean up since Apple Intelligence launched two years ago But now we have the extend for a photo and even the reframing And I messed around with that. I met Kanoopsi for the first time. He was here, great YouTube channel. I followed him for years. And so we were playing around with a perspective thing. And you know, it's generating stuff. L if you change a perspective on an image and there was something in the background and more of it needs to be seen like a plant It's going to generate more plant. And so this is generative fill or generative AI And I asked a question in one of the meetings and I said like When I change the perspective, one of the things they said, you can like the eyes, if someone wasn't looking into the camera, you can change the perspective slightly and have the subject looking into the lens And I was like, well, okay If you do that, are you like generating eyes? L are you generating pixels? So it was looking at the camera And the answer was very Well, we're really Pixels basasically like pixels and stuff and they're moving. and it's not you know, they didn't want to say it was like generating it out of whole cloth. So it's an interesting line they're trying to I think they're trying to distance themselves from like Google and Samsung, which is like Put a hot air balloon behind me in this picture and making adjustments versus creation. Anyway I just had a lot of things, but give me a p. So I played around with this. I took a photo that I took when I was in Montreal in the pit, Whoops, hold on, let me see if I can was the original picture. And then this was the new one, which is funny because there's a bicycle In front of this Ferrari garage, which is not Okay. There's no bicycle there. Re like So this is the original one and then it goes to the new one. So like it knew the pit lane thing. so it fixed that Right And then it but it just generated all this stuff over there, which was clearly not there because that's the Ferrari garage. There's a car in there and it put like a bicycle there. so but that's interesting. The point is It did a good everything it put in there lookooks pretty decent. It just didn't know that I the reason I picked this photo is I'm like Is it going to draw from the context of where I'm at and figure out what should be there, Or is it only looking at the pixels right next to it and going, just extend this, right? And it seems like it did the ladatter. Well, I'm going to do something probably ill advised and try to do an extend picture live here on the show. So I also got I also got to meet Bridget Carriy from Cnith, who's awesome And for this one, when I first did extend, I did this the other day and it like gave us more arms and torso. So I'm curious what it's going to do here. Well to be clear, mine was actually a reframe, but if you reframe a photo, it has to do extend as well because you are like distorting the viewpoint and then to make it a square photo, it has to fill that in somehow Right. And so let me let me adjust the crop here and extend this The few times I've done it, like it's been genuinely impressive. like what it's doing, how well it will like the Koopssi photo I took. The plant that was behind him got generated as like a full plant and it was really good. And in the original, you could only see like a couple leaves but It's interesting, know, how far you'll be able to push this, We'll have to do more testing over the summer. Like how much can I generate from a thing And you can always bring these photos into image playgrounds and add stuff. but As you can see here, now I can't remember if that guy was in the Was that guy in the original image? I'm not sure. If you put a guy it doesn't it doesn't it For the extend for the extend one, I'm going to reset the extend so we can see the original but You can see like Bridget's arm got longer and it added more arm for me. like so I'm like holding the camera farther away. And if I go back, you know, you can see that that wast I don't think that guy was there. No, I don't think definitely know something you don't know. Now wait a minute Yeah So it's interesting and I've heard I saw people on social media you know saying this is like AI slop and stuff You tell me, Jason, I personally don't put this in the same category as like in one of the briefings draw things was like creating a video of a polar bear or some bear like talking. I'm like, okay, that's generative AI If you want to put something in an AS slap category like that's that I don't put this in the ASLap category personally. but I understand it's like a fine distinction I don't think, I don't think that's a fine distinction I don't think is a slop Because I think AI slop the you know me, I'm a word person. I get very fixated on the exact of. But I think what people mean by AI slop is thing that's not real at all that only exists for the purpose of shoving content in our faces. It's just like It's the it's the content version of all of the alphabet soup products you find on Amazon Remember when we had these conversations about like, is this product even real? It's just a bunch of gibberish words and a bunch of AI generated photos? That's slop This is you can still have feelings about whether we should be doing this or not doing this or whatever. But what's essentially happening is like it is you can already do this in Photosop. You can pull up an image in Photoshop and use generenitative film and be like, do this to the photo.ight I don't know like as a photographer I mean, I did the test to see what would happen I don't I don't I think that this is I always have a problem, Stephven when we give people a solution that makes it easier for them to just do a dumb thing in the first place, which is like, Well, just look at your photo before you take it.re there are some scenarios where you're in a rush and you want to fix something later But also just take a beat Think a little bit more about the photo and take it. Well, a counterpoint to that I did not have a beat when I was trying to take a selfie with John Turnis But I'm also not gonna open that picture right now in Apple Park and try to extend it. I feel like then I might get rushed. But its also you that's the most important photo you've ever taken of yourself, Steven. So I feel like it was worth taking making sure you get it right. It might have been my last opportity you know, you never know if it's your last opportunity. And though that photo, if you were to extend it or refame it or whatever, it wouldn't have the same meaning to you true, but maybe I can change a perspective so he's actually looking at the camera. You know what I mean inststead of the screen. But eyes are the hardest thing for any to get right Dard All right, let's talk about Siri AI. So in the tech talkal after the keynote Mike Rockwell was there along with Craig Federgi and others and What was impressive is it was live demos on stage. and I think it was a warm up or maybe like Practice run for maybe doing more of this because we'll talk about the demos that were during the keynote, which you wrote a great piece about, I'll put in the show notes But to see the demo on stage. So that tech talk, I mean, Mike Rockwell was making requests In real time, we saw the iPhone on the screen And it was just doing stuff. 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That's all one word, primary technology and the number ten. tryry it risk free, fourteen day money back guarantee. You go to nordlayer dot com slash primary technology and use our promo code primary teechnology ten ten percent on top. off the yearly plans. O thanks to Nord Layer for sponsoring this episode. Yeah, I just think it was really important for them to to communicate that this is as real as possible Right. And I so I think that by The temptation is when you're going through a de, imagine first of all how short the demo would have been. You already told. It' like the whole there was a time advantage. They filled some time. But I think what they were trying to do is establish credibility and that the messiness of the process, not that the process was broken, but just like We all know that this sort of thing takes time And so if it didn't take time in the demo, you become you're over promising again. And so I just think that by Giving it the time, letting us watch it wait, let us see it was the next best thing to actually doing those demos live in person. right? And I actually think it was really smart the way they had the split screen so that it was very clear that you were watching a person talk to you and then you were seeing the phone in their hand. And actually, it had to have been so hard to hold the phones at that awkward angle so that the camera that was over their shoulder could get it. Like that must have been torture to do this. But I think that that was that was the smartest thing about the entire keynote was if we're going to demo this, The thing they knew that was true was that they made a lot of promises two years ago, many of which they couldn't deliver them. And so they needed to not over promise. And the way that you communicate that you're not over promising is you just show your work and let people watch it. showh your work is great During a lot of we had opportunities to like capture content on camera as like content creators basically of People at Apple doing Siri AI, doing And we could film it And just to the angle of having to hold a phone, I have so so much video of someone's wrist like cocked at like eighty degree angle, trying to get, you know, no reflections, try to make sure nothing weird is in the background and also you can film it while they talk to it.'s Kudos to all the people who were doing those briefings and like they're all Pysical therapy now. everyone's Everyone's an RSI. But one thing that was rumored and we did get was the dedicated Siri app. And I've been playing around with this. We debated a little bit before all this keynote stuff about does it need a dedicated app or whatever? I am one hundred percent glad it is here. One because now I can go back and show you all. I know I'm talking about a lot of visuals this week. I apologize Go watch in Apple Podcast, Sotfire or YouTube just to see some of these visuals live as we do it. Also I'll link my YouTube videos in the show notes to watch But I can go back to my very first request of Siri AI, which was how many Rs are in the word strawberry. Jason it got it right. It nailed it, it nailed how many R's are in the word strawberry. and I also asked it, I guess this one wasn't saved, but I asked it the carwash question. Oh no, I pinned it up here. You can pin cononversations in the Siri AI app And I said, I have to wash my car. Should I either walk to the car wash or take my car? And this was a meme where a lot of other AI apps were like, well, if it's a nice day, you should walk. And it's like the point is the car wash. and the AIs would miss that whole point to Siri AI's credit You should definitely take your car. Walking to the car wash wouldn't be very helpful if your goal is to wash the vehicle Seers got a little got a little sarcasm. I don't like. Let's be honest. This is the most famous gaff of the JGBT era. There's no way someone's job was not to be like we have you think someone like hardcoded this response J like I bet you every single one of them has this now hard ced Mm That's probably true. That's probably true The Siri app is great. and one of the things, I think the promise of two years ago, personal context I was at the live show, live talk show last night. John Gruber, his guests were Joanna Stern and Nei again. And Joanna was talking about She's been using she used personal context several times real world scenarios already because she just asked her iPhone, what time did John tell me I needed to be there tonight? Not very much context in the request and it still nailed her they got the answer right. They got the answer right And so I just got off the waitlist yesterday. so I haven't had that long to test it out, but I did want to show a couple examples One, my son texted me the other day, He had a job interview And I want to know how it went. Now for context, I have two sons, I have three kids And the only thing that I ask Siri AI My full request was, what did my son say about his job interview And after a couple seconds, personal conteactxt came through and Siri said, your son, Jordan So it actually named the sun. I didn't specify which sn it was S his interview with the new dance stududio went well, and it sounds like he might have the job. He also mentioned that he was invited to teach a masterclass there after his July trip Congratulations, Jordan, by the way, becausecause that's awesome. I was really happy for him. but it pulled it It did it. like it pulled it up. I asked the general question And it got a right answer. And then one other personal request I asked what did Andrew when did Andrew say he was arriving at DubDub? Again no last name. No further context. I was talking about Andrew Claire. I got to spend a lot of time with him this week. He helped me film some videos, great YouTube channel Andst said he mentioned was planning to arrive early on WW Friday night so he could spend Saturday exploring San Francisco. He also noted that he needed to be back for work on Wednesday evening It like did all it's doing the things. And what was wild too is When at least here on the betas, this probably won't be the case once this is public But when you do a request, there's like a thumbs up thumbs down And you can give feedback on how well it did with the request and not Interesting is, if you choose to share that feedback with Apple in the beta It will show you All the things it indexed for that request. And so I did it for that text about my son's Jordan and his job And it said, hereere's the SI response, the ons screen, here's the diagnostics. twenty mail messages. And I redacted something because Jason, this thing went back far. Like I saw some email subjects and I was like, That was like a decade ago. But it pulled messages, text messages, mail, reminders, notes, reading list items from Safari And it's just so clear that it's doing the personal context thoroughly, fully And one of the reasons why if you update to the beta and this will be the case when everyone gets it this fall It's going to take days to index. I mean, I've had people updated to the beta on Monday and it's still indexing now on Wednesday. L it's going to index, index and The reason why it's taking so long too, is it has to do it on every device. Because just like in the past, Apple is preserving privacy and security And so it's not going to index on your iPhone and then send that information index up to the cloud and then back down near iPad Your iPad has to index it, your your Apple Vision Pro has to index it, your iPhone has to index it And that's time consuming and intensive for your local device But that's that privacy and security that's built in and something that agents like Claud and Op AI can't say you know, they' like your information, the reason why aud on youriPhone knows just much about you about Claud on your Mac is because all your stuff is in anthropic servers. It's in that data center in Tennessee or whatever, like it's just there. And but it's like it's impressive. like it's doing the things. Yeah. And as someone who has been working on This sort of a feature in an app, like that the hardest part is figuring out What is the information what is the scope of information that needs to get fed into this in order to find like what is the what are the sources Parsing through that in order to deliver a response. And the challenge in the past has just been because Apple Intelligence will do that. I can tell you. like right now, Apple Intelligence itself is capable. It's just that the context window was so small That it was impossible for it to shove enough information. into that and to get all that. but now what they're able to do is they can just literally take all of your information and with the semantic index, it only has to look at the what it can quickly triage what's the relevant information. Going back infinity, right? Like it's anything that's been in just there. Yeah, and then it'll just give you that. And I do really like the fact that it also then gives you the source that it used to give you the information Yes. Now The big thing is, one thing you couldn't see right now were my bear notes And my five thousand plus bear notes is where I've kept a lot of my knowledge and thoughts for the last however many years And so that's something hopefully over the summer, app developers adopt quickly We'll see if thingsings, you know, apps like Spark, Fastmail, Bear, things, all those apps, I think they'll get on board. How quickly will Microsoft's outlook allow its content to be indexed by Siri AI? the Gmail app Y YouTube app. I don't think YouTube's going to do it And one of things Neili said at the talk show last night like there's no way Meta is going to plug in your Instagram DMs to be indexed by Apple Not that it would really hurt Meta at all, but I think just out of spite Just Zuckerberg. likeike Yeahah, they don't want to share that. They want you lookingMs in Instagram I can tell you right now I will be connecting contextually to this immediately And I will not be connecting Coffee Finder to Siri AI, but contextally findes. You should check that out Just a preference question for you. I'm curious. now that Siri AI is a thing whichich I think is just wild that there's like AI in the name of an Apple product. The spotlight on Mac, on iPhone, On all the devices, it's now Spotlight and Siries. There's no separation So when you do command space on your Mac, It is both And as you start typing a request, If it's a longer request, it's basically just going to kick you over to Siri AI If it's short, like launching an app, it should do that pretty intuitively And on the Mac, you can still do like Cand space four, it gets your clipboard manager It's just this newer kind of interface From the last couple of days I've been using it on my Mac and my other devices, it's okay I'm not sure if I prefer it. Like sometometimes I almost wish like just give me spotlight. because I'm trying to launch an app. I'm looking for a file and folder And there are ways to do that like in Spotlight, you can or in Siri AI now in MacroS twenty seven. likeike I could do command space Type in PIXL and hit tab And that will start searching for pixelator documents, and it should like bypass the Siri AI So maybe it's going to be great, but I'm not sure how I feel about all of that being in one. Have you had any time to kind of play around with that No, I mean Yeah, I don't know. it's like, I think It is the kind of thing where we're going to have to spend some time figuring it out and I'm going to for now trust that the people who made it spent a lot of time trying to figure it out. And I think that this is a very new h a very like a new paradigm for us because in the past, I mean, most of us have just gotten used to the fact that Siri was the thing we used to set timers and reminders. Like that was it Right? That's true Now it's sort of the gateway to something much more powerful. and it's going to take some time to figure out how are we going to shift the way we use it? Because I don't think people are going to just stop using Clod either. That's the other thing. Like I'm not deleting the Cld app off my phone Well, and another point is Siri AI on the Mac, there were demos in the keynote and several that we got in briefings that were really impressive. Siri AI on the Mac can do some wild things like Give it three PDF's of whatever and ask it to like give me a comparison table on these three products, let's say, or give me a summary of what all these things are about I was experimenting with that last night And one, I actually had to drag a PDF into the Siri AI Mac app. I couldn't just tell it, get this PDF in Finder Maybe that's something that gets updated over time But to your point of like, I'm still going to use the cllod app One of the use cases that everybody shows off in all the clawed and open AI tasks like cowork is renaming files And so the can Siri AI do that And so I One of the things you can do in Macro twenty seven is select files And when you right click or two finger click, There's the Ask Siri option right at the top. So you can askk Siri about the files that you have selected, which is cool So I said rename these files. And they said, what would you like to ren nameame these files to? This is my seri conversation. I say rename based on the contents of the image or file And sure enough, it took the four screenshot files that I had selected and suggested names based on the content. So it has like startup just settings, Shortcuts University, Apple like. So it came up with names based on the content. so we could do that. It said, wouldould you like me to apply these names? I said, yes They said, sorry, I can't do that. I was like So Si, you did it like you already have the names. So it does not seem like right now, we'll have to see over the summer that the Si AI on the Mac is not going to be like Claudd Cod It is going to be like cor light like LITE and like do some things maybe but not going to be able to take the amount of agentic action on your Mac people might be used to All All right, side note because I want to get to prical controls None of these stuff, the Si AI is not coming to the EU because the DMA And it's not coming to China. And Craig even said in the keynote like, we're working And one of the things Neili said at the talk showh last night is apparently Apple went to the EU and was like, listen, we will build this thing. They're like we don't typically talk about things we're going to build, but we will spend it's going to take us eighteen months. We'll spend eighteen months building this intermediary for agents on the Apple devices where third parties can interact with personal contexts in a safe way, only giving the information that is necessary. like we will build this if you will approve it. So these features can launch in the EU We just want to know that you'll approve it because we don't spend eighteen months building it, and then you deny it And apparently the E was like M, I don't know. And so Sounds like well Okay, so who knows? Who knows if it will come to the EU or to China if or Wednes? And's only it's English only this fall right now. We'll see how it go Prinal control, Jason You and I use everything in screen timee, all the Pntal control settings. One of the things that was clear yesterday in a briefing was Like a couple of years ago, there was like a brand new home architecture where you have to like update all your home devices and then like go to the home new home architecture That's actually how these new screen timee settings work Come, Iow was twenty seven You'll have to make sure all your kids devices are updated to IowOAS twenty seven and yours And then there'll be an option to upgrade to the new sccreen timee architecture So this is not just you know design changes and feature additions This is a reworking of everything behind the scenes. And that is why one of the promises is this is going to be more reliable You know, screen timer question, just break like being able to just access websites or whatever So that's interesting And not something we'll be able to test over the summer. Like I'm not gonna put all kids devices on IOS twenty seven, so we'll see but Aside from that, there was a lot of rebranding of current features. And there were a lot of times when I was hearing like Kids will be able to ask to, you know you know, a new contact be added to their thing. Im like, I'm pretty sure that's a feature now. Like allow you a new feature hundred percent Yeah, and it seems like Apple is relelaunching this becausecause it's been dormant for so long. like one of my ongoing jokes is my first three YouTube videos were about screen time. It's six years ago that I published those videos And I haven't had to update them since because everything has been exactly the same. Like every screenime setting, every menu has not changed since I made those videos six years ago. Now I will, now I will update it because it is going to be very different But it is a lot of rebranding of features But then also some new things like time allowances in addition to downtime, which are welcome additions But Jason requests are selling messages and that kind of stinks Yeah, that's the worst thing. Like I don't That's the one thing everyone wants to do. L I don't want the text history with my child to just be full of these requests and Like that doesn't make any sense. I understand that from a software engineer who doesn't deal with this every day, it makes sense, but it does not makeense An sense do it. Like if I open up the text like and especially because like there are many times where like our for example, our oldest, she'll send us a message that she's made it somewhere, or our other daughters she'll send it to both my wife and I And then also There's a bunch of just Can I have this contact in my thing or can I have more time for this or can I do this or can I download this app? It's like I don't want any of that in the conversations that I'm having with my kid. I want those in a dedicated place where I go when I want to deal with the screen time stuff. So I feel like that is such an easy thing to Cceptually fix and I don't quite understand It is an example of one of those things where it really does feel like the people who made this are not having to use it every day because it does feel very like, yeah, this makes sense to an engineer. Wouldn't it be super convenient if you just got a text message and we just put it right there and And I'm like, Yeahah, but then when you go back to those messages, it's just a bunch of garbage When I still feel like there's so much in the screen time settings We didn't get it like we got a Siri AI app before screen timee app. and before GTA six. But A scre dedicated sccreenime app, I feel like would solve a lot of the issues. likeike let notifications come through there Put all the options in there But we didn't get that. We got a website that talks about the features. So there's that Also, Steven, here's the thing. When your kid uses their when the screen time password is entered on a device, you get a notification. You don't get a text message. That isue So why in the world when they want to do something is it not just a notification? I don't understand I bet you' because how it used to be is those notifications lived in like setettings, screen time or whatever and years p, parents probably didn't know where those were. Like if you didn't do it from the notifications, like well where do I go to get? More importantly, people don't have notifications on for settings But everyone has notifications on for messages until you get them But I just feel like there's gott to be a better solution, Stehven And let me ask you this, what was your sense from the not from Apple people but from everyone else? because I have a theory about this. Why did they spend so much time talking about screen time So This was something Neli also talked about yesterday was regulatory pressure L age verification laws are Being passed right now in certain states like Texas requires age verification And so it seems like maybe Apple is trying to get ahead of some of that regulatory pressure and putting these tools that maybe you know circumvent some of these age verification things, like not make every app seend you the driver's license to verify the age. Maybe it's that I do think It is a need. I think more and more parents like I've seen A lot of parents will ask me of my kids' friends like How do I manage this. L how like I've literally walked people through adding screen time and even just creating a child account. Like that is one of the big new New things in this redesigned screen time is the onboarding process for a child and creating a child account like that was confusing before And if you didn't start as a child account, it was very difficult to like make an iCloud account. I don't even think was possible. Like if you created an iCloud account for your kid before, You're up a creek, like you couldn you would have to create another one for it to be a child account. Well, now you can convert those And so I do think maybe it's just hearing from a lot of that. and I mean, it's huge in the news. I mean, if you open the news app and look at like psychology stuff And eighty percent of them are like kids and AI, kids and social media And there's just a lot of that in the air. So maybe maybe it's that. but do you have a theory? likeike do you think? Yeah, I think it's pretty obvious. They just told everyone they baked bye into everything And in order for parents to have any confidence handing this thing to their kids, they need to be able to know that they can control how things are being used. And I got a little bit of pushback likeike, well, I don't they didn't really tie that to the AI stuff. I'm like, no, you don't need to, but they talked about it first They basically said this is the safest device you can give your kid because look, we will give you control over these things it' y to see how, I mean, they've been saying that for a while. So we'll see if it's more effective We're we're even going to give you guidelines about how some of these things should be used. And then the next thing they talked about is, and by the way, look, there's image generation. look There's all these different things. and there's photore realalistic image generation. Like I took a picture of my wife and two different pictures, one of myself, one of my wife. I was like Make a photo of these two people sitting at a cafe in France on their first date and it just did it She didn't have any say in that. I mean, my wife's fine with it. Like I'm pretty sure it's fine. But like she didn't get to like opt into that, right? And so I think that in order for once parents start to understand that you can have these kind of conversations, you can do this And even though I think Apple's implementation is as responsible as any of the tech companies at this point, as far as we can tell That doesn't matter because what people just hear are the Endless number of stories of how what these AI tools are capable of. And I feel like if you're going to hand your kid a phone that can do all that, you want to know that you're going to have some control That's fair enough 'causeuse't mion trust and safety. sry Right. It was trust and safety. wasn't like child safety. It trusted It was that. but the big section in there was parental controls Right. And one feature though I shout out though, you'll be able to temporarily open everything for your kids. like if you're on a road trip or you're traveling and you just want to let them have unlimited screen time rather than having to mess with downtime or deal with approvals during the entire road trip. I was speaking from experience becausecause I've had to deal with many's the worst. It's the worst. You'll be able to just tap a thing and say, unlimited access for today And that's a very welcome feature. One of the questions I have, I hope to get answered is when a child asks for more screen time, rightight now, the options are fifteen minutes, an hour or all day I'm hoping there's additional options there, but I'm not sure. So Well here's the I don't know I haven't looked but here's the optimistic take Didn't they just make some adjustments to the reminder snooze capability Oh did they? I think. wasn't Markco talking about that? I dont theyen I was twenty sixot five, yeah. Yeah. So maybe we'll get some better options. I wanted to just be like, how long do you want Just that custom amount. twenty five minutes, seven minutes ninety minutes, whatever. Three hours and seven minutes until we get to Alaska. Just I don't want to be bothered again Allright Quick a lighting round, we talk about vision OS features, Panoramic environments is awesome. Preview notifications just by looking at them Apple TV Notably, Apple TV and HomePod. Silence. even on the page on Apple's website where you can like click the different OSs, TVOS is not even highlighted. Like it doesn't even have a page to see like what's new But Apple TV is getting a new Apple podcast app that will have video. And I did a little short on this. The podcast app in I was twenty seven Chapters are coming back for video shows and follow along transcripts and time links A small golf clap, thank you. I would clap louder by my microphes right here? No, your microphones. I'm imaging everyone the room is clapping but anyway, so that's coming back. That is a very welcome feature. and MacOS podcast app will have video as well But other things we did not get And I did ask about this Home pod It's not going to have Si AI So you're not going be to do any of the requests of SirAI, even like real world requests You'll not be able to do that with a home pod, unfortunate. Again, no home pod between no hardware this year. likeike zero hardware announcements at the keynote. And also no clouud integration. You know, one of the rumors was like, you know, ChGPT is still in there in the settings. And the settings are now weird. like Apple Intelligence used to be a settings pane And now it's just Siri. and inside the Siri pane, like way at the bottom It's like shadowed off, the text is kind of blurry. It says login which H youPT. I'm just kidding. It's not really all like that. But it's very much like pushed to the side and it's clear I think Apple is not wanting to push on that like third party integration thing. And so anthropic's not an option. and the ChatB thing is like I guess if you want to do that, but it's not it's not pushed at all There was can I say one thing that I thought was Yeah, I thought was very cool? Beuse Steven, I'm on the record. I've said this many, many, many, many, many, many, many times that the single best device for AI is what the Apple Watch. Yes. and what can you now do Siri AI on the watch. Well and you can also build apps that have access to private cloud computute I missed that and that is am m. I'm almost positive that that's true. I'm gonna there was like a screenshot where they Where did I see it? hold on, You keep talking. I'll find it. But yes, you can do that. You can send requests from your watch now and I believe that they will go they can take advantage of private clock computute because the watch can't load all those models That' amazing All right, we only have a few minutes. I want to record a quick bonus episode about my John Turnis selfie, but Personal tch I first finally got to use my ubiquity travel router in the hotel room And I have to say, it is amazing Uh, I plugged it in It's my home network So plugging it into the ethernet in the hotel room, all my Apple devices are just immediately connected to the Wi Fi have not dealt or seen a capt you know, a captive window for the hotel, like put your room number in. I have not had to deal with that all week The speed is great. Yes, it's only WiFi five, but it's still great. And the unified teleport feature is like a built in VPN. So I can turn that on on the router and then all my devices will appear as though they're on my home network. I can access my network attached storage, screen sharing, It is amazing. and the speeds are great.ike I'm getting a hundred the hotel connection is one hundred megabits up and down whichich you know,' a little slower than my home seven gigit internet, but you know what are you cking to do? But I'm getting like ninety something on the WiFi. I've been able to upload YouTube videos. It's been great I cannot say enough good things about it. Unfortunately, out of stock right now, and if you look on Amazon, there's like a grifter, like double the price for the unified travel router But if you travel At all often, like Jason, you should get one of these. It's amazing. Really? How much am I gonna to have to spend It's seld at seventy five bucks. seventy five bucks. And It's got two ethernet ports. So like when I record Mac power users later in my hotel room I'm going to connect my MacBookare by interethernet I don't even have two etnet cables, but I could probably buy those. That's pretty easy Can I tell you real quick? I think I killed one of the USBC ports on myacBook air? Because whenever I plug something into it, nothing happens. My SSD, I can't even charge from it And I think it's because I filmed a stupid pool robot vacuum sponsored video and I Use my iPhone to film underwater because I got get underwater shots And before I let it dry all the way, I tried connecting a USBC cable from my iPhone to my Mac to like transfer video And then it didn't work. And so I flipped the cable around, used a couple of cables, and I think I killed that one port with some water damage That's a fortunate. I just want to be clear I was right. I did find it I was watching a session. was listen, this is a session I cared about which was built with Apple Foundation model on private Clock comppute. and the watch is included in there. so I just want to we should put that as a pull quote. I just want to stay for the record. I am right for whatever you just sit. I think I text Stevenen all the time and I'm like, I think I'm right. And you're like I think I know you do. Yeah I know you're right. Exactly.. We didn't get talk a lot about shortcuts in the main episode. I did a whole video on it. I have like, I think, eighteen videos on the channel from this week. So we'll put some of those, We'll put Jason's article. We're going to go record a bonus episode because I got to take a selfie with Apple's forthcoming CEO Thanks for watching. Thanks for listening. We'll catch you next time