Radical with Amol Rajan
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Happiness Rules: Should Wellbeing Dictate Government Policy? (Lord Richard Layard)
In this episode of Radical, host Amol Rajan sits down with Lord Richard Layard, a prominent economist and labour peer, to discuss the revolutionary idea that happiness and wellbeing, rather than GDP, should be the primary objective of government policy. Reflecting on his decades of advocacy, Lord Layard explains how his push for "Happiness" as a central science has influenced everything from the Treasury’s approach to cost-benefit analysis to the implementation of NHS talking therapies, which have supported millions of people. The conversation explores the philosophical roots of utilitarianism, with Layard arguing that society should prioritize the reduction of misery—specifically mental and physical health issues—over the simple pursuit of economic growth. They delve into the "new science of happiness," noting that subjective life satisfaction is an incredibly accurate predictor of societal health and political outcomes. Furthermore, the discussion addresses the modern crisis affecting young people, with both host and guest expressing concern over the impact of competitive education systems and social media. Ultimately, they advocate for a radical shift toward a state that views human flourishing as its most inspiring and necessary "North Star."
Updated Jul 2, 2026
About This Episode
This week, Amol sits down with Lord Richard Layard, the author, economist, and Labour peer who has spent decades making the case for happiness and wellbeing. He successfully helped implement talking therapy to the NHS, and was a key figure in persuading the UK government to measure wellbeing.
But he wants to go further - in this conversation, Lord Layard outlines why he wants happiness to become the main objective of all government policy, and argues that this radical change would even pay for itself.
But what actually are happiness and wellbeing? How can we make ourselves happier? And why are young people less happy than ever before?
GET IN TOUCH * WhatsApp: 0330 123 9480 * Email: radical@bbc.co.uk Episodes of Radical with Amol Rajan are released every Monday and Thursday. Amol Rajan presents the Today programme on BBC Radio 4 and hosts University Challenge on BBC One. Before that, Amol was the BBC’s media editor and the editor of The Independent newspaper. Radical with Amol Rajan is a Today Podcast. It was made by Rufus Gray and Oscar Pearson. Technical production was by Jonny Baker. The senior news editor is Sam Bonham. The series producer is Rufus Gray.
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