Provocative Filmmaking and Future Projects

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Just kidding, you can never have too many Hilton Honors points. And I want to do something iconic this summer, so I'm giving away all my Paris points. Just find somewhere you've always wanted to stay, then go to my socials or Hilton's and tell me about it. Just make sure you're a Hilton Honors member and I might be sending you Paris points because when you want points that make your summer even hotter, it matters where you stay I mean you just had your premiere last night your friends at the Vista. Yes. How amazing was that? It was pretty amazing. I have to say, it was like a pinch me moment. I was like, Oh my God, I can't believe I'm here. I cannot believe I did this. This is so crazy. But it was so fun. Have you been going to the Vista for years? It's one of my favorite theaters. So good. Oh my God. thirty five? No, No no, no they did the shutter did something else with the movie, but because we didn't get to shoot it on film sly. L I've tried so hard to shoot it on a film, but every single Investor in the movie was like, you cannot shoot on film And said like, oh, no worry, we're not going No, I know. I honest I tried to pull all the, you know, the tricks and nothing worked and And I was like, okay, I'm surrendering. like I can't do it on this one. It's coming back. I mean, I think that a lot of studios are I know it's expensive to shoot on film. costs a lot and it's a lot of complications. You know, always get the dailies that you want. Exactly. see everything with with the cards is something the magical Bell film It's com back in hu huge way and like, Kodak is busier than ever, which is cool. No Yeah, my DP his The two movies he had done before my movie, he had shot them all in film. so he knew how to do it too. And I was like, He also knows how to do it really well, because that's also a certain skill set for a cinematographer. Do you know what I mean? And I was like He's already so good at it, Wh are we not doing that? Yeah. But next time get it It's complicated especially like you need a good loader, you need to make sure that someone's good at cheing the film out and making sure it's safe and doesn't get overeposed or anything some other process. I get it. But I mean, that's so cool. And now you're sort of as a future filmmak in horror, you're entering this big boom right now of horr. Like horror has boomed a couple of times, you know Pe are excited about right now. We got, you know, obsessions and theatersers killing. We have back rooms is killing. Yeah. But you know, back in like the twens, get out was really exciting, even parasite to an extent. Yes. Hreditary. Hary Soar that was felt like a really big moment too. Yeah. But like how do you feel about being a horror filmmaker now? is that what you want to keep doing I am open to everything, but I H Yes. I definitely enjoy the genre space. I'm not sure if it's exactly horror, but like even thriller like really excites me. L I like I mean, I would say with the finale, it's ite gruesome. Exactly. Not y. My movie exactly. Well my movie up until, you know, the climax We'll try to keep it as bigag as possible. upp until the climax is sort of like Biller like party movie, like we're unsure where this is gonna to go. and that's part of why I was really excited about it because I was like, I kind of want to make it really surprising. And and I guess I didn't go into it intentionally doing that, but I was like This is the kind of story I want to tell and I want it to somewhat feel grounded in reality, although everything's like being pushed to the extremes. And then give it a big climax's I mean, you heard fans. You have a big turning point like second the third act. Yeah. that was just like, whoa, it came out nowhere in like a great way. But then that finale, like the last five minutes, I was like What just It's crazy. What did this movie was awwesome? No, it's so cool. It was very brave too, I think just doing it like that. because I wonder what the rating was gonna be like watching that. I don't even Beuse you got an R rating, right? Yeah, yeah. yeah. W there any issues with potential NC seventeen with that Can I be honest? I didn't even ask questions because I was like, I don't want to know and I don't want to flag the issue. so I'm not gonna to ask you. It's like everything's going smoothly, so I'm definitely not gonna to ask that. But I kept thinking this not This was seventeen, but I was like Not even thinking about it. It's pretty hardcore. And I think it's great. you know, I think that the thriller horror genre. a lot of unique voices are coming through. Yeah. There's something about it where audiences audiences are craving just good stories, I think. But for some reason, horror, suspense, thriller are really where we're getting really unique original ideas And is that what drew to the genre? Al it's based on true events, right? Yeah Well, the true events was like I mean, I always loved horn genre films, so I think I was naturally gravitated. to that, but but I I mean, the real life experience was the thing that kind of triggered everything, you know what I mean? I had this insane, you girl's trip to Joshua Tuth, me my best friends. We got there and there was instantly something wrong. We had this like really creepy neighbor who kept appearing. We were having all these strange interactions with some of the local men there. And like something immediately was wrong. and then it ended up turning into this crazy car chase in the middle of the night. L That's insane. And it actually like while the car chase was happening in real time, of course, we were trying to call the police. We had no service, we didn't know where we were. like all these things I kept replaying this scene from nocturnal Animals in my mind. That's exactly what it felt like. was I'm literally in the car with Jake Gyllenhall right now L this is I was like I'm terrified, but that's exactly what it felt like. So I was like, That's a very specific kind of You know what I mean? There' realistic about that too. And I was like, I really once it happened, and obviously we were okay and fine, I was like Something very specific about how real that moment was, You you know what I mean? And even in noctrinal animals, you're like, oh my God, it could happen to any of us. That can happen to you or me. In the middle of night on the road. That's good com. Yeah. That's a great movie. like Tom Forord.s a lot. He's going one He's shooting a new one, I think this year. I know I want to see it. becauseuse he makes obvly like he makes. Its been a minute though What was the last movie he made? He did Nocturnal, then he did that I can't remember, but he makes really cool movies. He doesn't make that many. But I mean, what a talented guy. desesigns amazing suits, amazing sunglasses. It's the coolest thing. Tom forord. Tom Ford Movies too Legend. Crazy legend. crazy legendary. Do you have any actually real quick,, on your movie. Are you a fan of the Lost Boys That someone just brought up the Lost Boys to me last night at the premier. That is so funny gu I love the Lost Boys Because like the rocker, I mean, the lead guy of the band. Yes, I know. I was immediately like, he looks like he Lostoys like the blonde hair leather jacket, the earring. I'm like This feels like a comp. It was a comp. It was an inspo. Yeah Butce once he became the character, I sort of like took it out of my mind like leading up to like building his character, like that was a reference for sure And then it was so funny at the premiere last night I hadn't heard that since we were like in pre production, like catching a look, and then last night at the Vista, someone was like You must be a lost voice fan. I was like, I am, but yes, exactly. So so funny. Yeah. It was fun. The purposeful nod to that. that's awesome. That's such a banger movie too. So has such a energetic feeling to it. Like really, I feel like anything could happen at any moment. It's like one of the best teen movies too. like it's a coming of age movie as well. these kids moving to a new town. Yes. and then it's just haunted by vampires. But in a light fun way, almost like a Spielberg like Chris Columbus style and tone. I think it works so well. I love that film. And Marren Brrosers has been like marketing it pretty hard like the last year. I was at the studio tour last year and they had a whole section of like merchandise and shirts for the lost boy. So I think they know how valuable that property is. I'm sure they're going to reboot it. I saw it at Sinespie, I think L year in the summer Odoor cinemon? Yeah. those are. Do go to those scream. Oh I used to go more often Yeah, but then it's just like trying to keep up with the calendar sometimes. They're so amazing because everyone's just like ready to have a good time. and like there's such big reactions. you know what I mean? Everyone's like howling and screaming and laughing and like calling out to the characters and I think it's It's like a very fun film community there. Yeah. it's good time. you have like a little pnic, bring some wine, try not to get in trouble for the wine. sometometimes sometimes they'll say something, but there was Eat C here Yeah Do you remember EatC here? that it was like Sinesp, Eat Sa here but I think they went on business. That was don think I ever went to Eats here Same kind of thing just like they would show up or not show up. They would planant it Yeah and then put up the giant screen and blow it up and have the whole kind of thing with food trucks and stuff like that. Oh it's so good. It's a good time. I mean, film is just like such a great communal experience. Exactly. The premiere at the Vista. is just so sick because I go there I try to go once a month. Yes deepending on the counnd,' same with the newew Beverly. Yes. Get a hot dog But you can't always get a movie theater. I know. It's just like, that's a classic movie theater. I know. I live closer to the New Beverly, so it's normally more of my go to, but like it's so nice to just go and see an old film there. Do you know what I mean? it's inspiring And funny enough, when I 'causeuse I edited this movie in Paris, so I spent like three months in Paris, which is so random, obviously, because we shot it in Joshuaitree, but that's just the way it happened And Paris has so many movie theaters like Beverly and the Vista. they're just like old theaters constantly playing old movies. It just like really inspiring. You know what I mean? I'm like, oh my Godd. Like, of course I like seeing all the new stuff that's coming out Sometimes you need to just go back and watch some of the older movies that inspired you. And I'm like, When I was editing my movie there, we would G to them The Christie cinema and And it was just so like, it was so great. I was like, Ohh my God, I feel like I' like rejuvenated or something, you know? You ever been to the Prince Charles in London? No. I don't spend a lot of time in London so I don't I don't know the scene there. You ever go, it's right at Leicester Square. It's just a classic theater, but it's like all they play is like banging movies from the past. I like the Vista because they do new releases like a movie premieres, they'll like your movie premiere there, that's really cool. Usually it's usually they'll do like a run of like I saw one battle after another in seventy mill there. Yeah. saw Project Hill Marry in seventy mill there. I think they're doing Disclosure dayay this upcoming month as well. What is that Do that come on the twelfth? The the twelfth? Yeah, which is it's awesome. I need to see that. And I want to see the at the Vista so So that's they're doing seventy So not many screens are doing seventy million of that, but that's why I like the visa so much is seeing projected film. Yes. It's pretty rare. I mean I'm a Stubbs list member. Don't get wrong. I got A Stubs. me too. I a lot. But if I'm looking at the calendar and they got some really good movies coming up, one hundred percent. There's a double feature rightight now at the new Bev, I think it's running today and tomorrow. It's Edge of tomorrow. And another Tom Cuise me we came wonder what it was perect. I did. Are you going? I can't I'm busy. I I'm doing a Cpe Fard premiere tonight Somebody that's already coming out. Yeah, Apple TV. I know I'm excited for that. Yeah. I honestly I am too. I love the original. I mean love the original Oh the second original because Mitch made was in the first one Mitchem and then D Nier and Scrorsese in like, eighty , whatever it was. I love the De Niro Scorsese one so good. so good. They'll do their best and Scorsese is an executive producer on you knowes they want to slap his name on get It looks you totally get it too. If anyone could like fill in the shoes of De Niro your bar Demn could. Yeah. I agree with you. I agree with you. Yeah. So they're going a different rout where he's a serial killer now versus sexual assault. Okay. Even though Max eventually became a serial killer. Yeah. no I Javio is going to drink something cool.'s what're tonight. I'm doing tonight. By, like I do a lot of screenings and events, which is a blessing and a curse. Of course. I get it. There there's no break, but also you get to see all the good movies. Exactly. ye, yeah yeah. So I was like in New York for Disclosure Day so it's cool. know I don't want to I'm not humble bragging, but it can be time for. So you can humble brag. There's not New York we're good with that. You can humble brag. I'm looking forward to. Apple TV's got some good stuff out. for sure. 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Download the PayPal app to get started. Subject to approval. pay mononthly consonsumer loans made by WebBank. Available through PayPaling NML nine one zero four fivety seven. Learn more at payPal d. com slash pay monthly I I'm seeing backrooms tonight Yeah It's really cool. Yeah. because I saw obsession already a few times. I Beuse my movie was at Fantastic Fest I was in obsession was also at Fantastic Fest. So I saw it there. I was like, Ohh my, that was so good. Actually no, I saw it at TF first. My movie was also in a section at Tiff. I saw it at Tiff in like a market screening, which was still kind of rowdy for like a market screening. I was like, okay, this is awesome. Then I saw it at Fantastic with a really rowdy crowd and I was like, I'm obsessed. And then went Again recently and I was like, this is such a fun theater experience. It's just really, really good. It's like one of those movies that it was like when Parasite came out. It was like when Get Out came out, these small budget films that the word of mouth is ridiculous. Th wee third weekend, it almost doubled its opening weekend. I know. domestic box. It wass so impressive. It's absurd. It shows you people just want original stories. People want just good stories Exactly. We don't want the same big blockbuster Slop, whatever you want to call it, that it's just the same thing rinse and repeat. Yeah. I think a lot of studios think that they can depend on audiences no matter what Oh, they'll come turn out eventually Remaking every single franchise into to man. like o my go.'re remaking Cpeear, but hey you know what? I like hating.'re not We're not hating. We're not hating. I'm saying j. are theyre gonna pull off legally blonde. I'm sorry That's not cool. Ooh shots fired at L bllonde. I'm doing a prequel series. I'm can't you can't replace her. I know That's's a big that's a big swing. It's big It's too important of a character. She was so good and made her happ. She was so that was like, I grew up on that movie. I was like, I want to be Ellwood. I want like she had this like crazy Mac computer. I forgot what color it was. I remember being chunky one. It was so cool. L She's making studying chic like it was so fun. It's such a good opening because it's like a great character introduction It's almost I guess Like is memorable to me as like Indiana Jones intro or like the backack to the Future intro. She's like great character intro, everything you need to know. She's already a character. Yes. It's not an origin storyactly. This is who Elloods is. This is her live. This is what her room looks like. This is how she gets ready for for school in the morning. It's so freaking fun. I know You're gonna have to try to recreate that good fucking thing. Yeah, we'll see, we'll see happens, right? Fame with Cpe Fear, we're gonna to see what happens. Yeah So you've done some acting and directing, which do you prefer I think I prefer directing. Yeah. I like my story. Do you know what I mean? feel. I think it just depes, but I mean, I like both obviously and it just depends on the project and everything, but I really had best time directing and like just bringing this story to life and I just had the vision in my mind. like I had never, you know, this is my first movie. I did direct a short before, but But I had This kind of I don't know, North Star of what I wanted the feature to be. And like it was so like amazing to like actually see it come to life because when I watched it, even on the big screen last night, I was like, well, that's like exactly how I imagined a movie. Like that is like the color aesthetic, like the camera, The actor is like that's sort of like how I manifested it in some weird way. So yeah. You have a little cameo, right? I think yeah. I saw you on the you. Yeah. I'm like think like that I'm that bit sh. You. Yeah, you really on that Sassy. Sassy. I was like I gotta you know, we gotta get the cameo. You want to do the fun roll like that? just to be like an asshle. Well I was like, yeah, exactly. I was like this was just really fun. and I actually didn't know what I was gonna I didn't know what cameo I was gonna do. those were the last like, two days of shooting I was like o, I was like, that's what we're gonna. Oh we saw the yacht last. That was the last. Yeah. Oh wow. Yeah, we did all of the Joshua Tree stuff first and then we did the yacht after. That's pretty fun. I know. So everyone knew each other really well. right. Exactly. Like the yacht was sort of like a party in a sense because everyone was comfortable with each other. like everyone kind of knew like Okay, like this is the end now. and like let's just like loose a little bit and Yeah it was a realistic party. It felt like You ever seen Place Bey onn the Pines? Yes, of course. I love that film. Yes.. It has like such a realistic party. Like a lot of Hollywood parties they' like over sensationalized, but like it just felt like walking through that party, it reminded me of walking in that scene when they have the party in the end. Yes, exactly. Well, you know, I went to a crazy party school so that I do know that world very well. But I went to Penn State University. Oh no shit. Yeah. I have a friend that's like her favorite thing about herself is Penn State People have so much pride in and it's so funny because I mean, I'm so grateful I went and I met like my best friends and like kind of hold a lot of inspiration from my experience there in my movie, like just party culture, Do you know what I mean? how important it is there, and how like there's so much emphasis on it. and you need to show up, you need to be social, you need to do all the things to like fit in, kind of And that's what I'm saying I know all the different kinds of parties, the chiller version, the high crazy ones But yeah, no that that is u pulled a lot of stuff from the movie from the Penn State experience. The characters felt authentic. likeike so many movies ting everyone down, but like these girls are talking like crazy vulgarity. Which is like real as hell. Exactly. You know authentic. There's that scene, have you ever seen kids before Larry Clark's kids. Harmony Karin wrote the movie when he was like seventeen years old. Anway, there's You should watch it. It's a really really provocative and really amazing movie, but there was a scene. it was Rosario Oawson's breakout role. L I think she got street casts. correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that's the case But there's this one scene where like They're cutting back from like the guys talking and the girls talking and they're like having different sex They're talking about like sexual experiences. And like it's when I watched that scene in kids, I was like, oh my Godd, like they fucking went there. And I was like I want to go there in my movie, you know what I mean? Like it's really like off putting maybe for some people or really wild, but That's how women talk sometimes and we should embrace that, you know? People talk like that. I mean, I always like when when Super Bad came I'm like, this is how teenagers talk. This is how fifteen year old boys talk. So when I came out, I was a fifteen year old boy. I'm like, I like this a lot ' because this is literally how we talk And then like You Mama Tomyen, you ever seen that from Corone.. That's also a great raunchy drama comedy, but they don't hold back either. And the first time I saw that, I think I was around I was a teenager two It was like it came on two thousand two, I think you did it right before Azkaben Um And then he did Children of Men, which is just a crazy. Id love three point. That opening scene is honestly insane. The whole movie. That was like an I was like trying to figure out a way to like do something like that. Children Men Yeah Alec. That changed how my brain thought about film. Yeah. When I saw Children of Men for the first time. I got it mail by DVD on Netflix back in like two thousand six when it came out, two thousand five But it was a one ar, I'm pretty sure. So opening shot Yeah. Yeah. when he goes to Well, when he leaves the coffee shop.es the onener starts so he gets the coffee.escause They cut to like the TV of the kid who was eighteen years old who got killed Yeah the youngest person was eighteen. Yes. That movie. I remember when I was a teenager, like I really thought about film differently. I wasn't really like ready to consider pursuing film. until I was like twenty. Yeah. But like it made me change the way I think about movies. And obviously I grew up, I have older brothers, so I watched a lot of movies when I was a kid. I was exposed to everything so young But children men It was really like a life changing film for me Do you have movies like that? besides Childrenmen for you Maholland Drive is like definitely that movie for me. Like I you know, my dad passed when I was younger, but we like our thing was to watch movies together. and like that was the movie we watch on repeat when I was like a kid. I was like eleven years old watching Maholland Drive, but like I loved it. the scene of the guy coming when when he's leaving the dining. Oh my yeah, he comes out literally That actually like scarred me as a kid like forever terrifying sc. It actually is fucking terrifying because I I I've remembered a certain way as a kid, but then I, you know, I rewatched it recently and I was like, oh no, that's actually just terrifying as an adult, too. thats is really good It's so simply shot. and it's just like in L.A, the cinder bllock wall in the back alley that we've sat a thousand times in LA. But then he has just even the makeup of the design of that creature thing It's kind of crude. I know. It's not super sophisticated special effects, but it's used and done so brilliantly that just kind torments you know, it totally torments you. So that was a movie that I really grew up on The shhining was one too.. That was like a big deal in my household.ike So I did grow up with genre movies. You know what I mean? Silence of the Lambs.uck. I think that's top five movie all the time. It is so good. I saw that at Senespia. I saw it and it was really an amazing experience. That final scene. Oh my go I think that's one of the scari scenes've ever seen my life when Clarice is in the basement of Buffaloville They do such a great job teasing I know that like Oh, they're about to she's about to knock on or they're heading the right place and she's knocking on. it's just a random house call I found something. I know and they're at the wrong spot. likeike because they they a lot of movies copied that. Wh it's like they're about to raid the house it's the wrong house. Yes I feel like that invented that. Probably. So good. Well D Demi is maybe the most untalked about American director I think. Oh, I know. He's so good. That is that movie is a m it's truly a masterpiece Yeah. likeike from start to finish So yeah, I grew up on that movie too. Oh yeah. so good though. So I was always going I was always going to bed like terrified. a kid. I was like, it's okay though. The movies are good Yeah. I was watching those movies when I was really young. I know the shining it was always irrelevant. I'm born nineteen ninety, so I always knew of the shhining. I remember seeing Twister and when the Twister comes at the Drive in Theatater, Shining's playing for a little bit. Yeah. I think that was a movie Even though I used to sneak in the basement to watch movies with my brothers all the time, they didn't want us to see just because like the cultural impact that it had on the world still at that time, evenven though it came out in nineteen eighty, but still in the nineties, it was like The Shining one of the most scary movies of all time. But like when I finally saw it, I blew my hair back and I was so terrified. It's so terrifying Realistic Oh there. That's like the scariest kind of genre for me. Do you know what I mean when something could happen to know what It's like yeah I mean, he went crazy. so. You know what I mean? But like that can be anyone. Yeah 's there's a couple of fun theories because obviously Tub brick changed the book up aone. have read the book. Yes. I haven't read the book but I knew that he changed like little things like it's a mallot in the book, not the acts. but There's like you can interpret the movie in the book, it's straight up, it's all, he's losing his money, but he' it's supernatural oververlook is consuming him, possessing him. but In the movie, Cubrica leaves it up for interpretation that they're all just getting cabin fever. You can look at it like that. But that's sort of how I perceived it when I was younger Do you what I mean?? It's terrifying. This is terrifying. When you look at it that way, it's terrifying. I know. If you like backrooms, though, I mean, if you like Lynch, you'll like backrooms. I'm excited. It's the most lynchy movie I've seen in a long time Okay. in terms of like the atmosphere Yeah, the tone There's a scene when you see it, you'll know instantly refr to it, you'll be like this is David Lynch scene. It's freaking sick. Oh, I can't wait. That's cool. Okay, cool. Yeah It's happening tonight. I can't comment on it because I don't know anything. but I'm like, okay, I'm waiting to watch it now. James tell us about that beautiful poster behind us. Well, I mean, first of all, the Odyssey's coming up pretty soon. July is right around the corner and so our friends at movieposters dot com sent us this Beautiful new poster that D Oy just released of Odysseus with the Trojan horse behind them in this beautiful Smoke filled with fire in the embers and the glow of flames Movieposters dot com amazing site to get your posters today. go there, use our code Raiders ten at checkout. you'll get ten percent off your entire order. moovieposters dot com are great friends up there. Love that poster, man. What do you think was probably the biggest learning experience for you for directing in the future? becauseuse it's based on of the short you did. Yeah. you want to LA shortort. It was based on the real life Well, you know, very loosely based on obviously the real life experience then I did the short you know, do it as a proof of concept to help raise money and everything. Biggest thing I learned I learned so much on this movie. I mean, it took me a really long time to make this movie like five or six years at point. Yeahah, like just to like raise the money, get it you know, going. I mean even when I think about it, we shot the movie two years ago at this point. L that's crazy. You know what I mean? And then takes a long time to edit. and then by the time it comes out, but I think just to keep going and like not get caught up, you know, because it's so easy to like, and I did this to myself, you know, like something goes wrong in the process whether the money falls through or like something's not happening, it's supposed to be happening. and then you're like 's you know, I can't direct my movie or you get down on yourself and you just have this negative mentality around it. But I think It's so hard to make a film. you just kind of have to have this You know headpace of like we're just gonna to keep going and it's going to happen. You know what I mean? Like let's not get caught up on the small things. We're just going to deal with it or even the big things. like we're just going to deal with it. We're going to get through it. We're going to make it happen. like Just keep repeating that in your mind. because they really did help and I was just like, okay All these things may be going wrong, but like it's okay. We're going to find a way around and we're gonna to just go and do it. Like don't give up I think that's the main thing like, don't give up because It's so easy to like like it's meant be. you You know, I had so many moments where I was like, oh my go, like You know, I was supposed to have the money, and then it fell through at one point. and it was like just this traumatizing experience of like almost being at the finish line and not actually filming. And I remember being like, Ohh, it's the universe telling me I'm not meant to do it or whatever. whatever your mind or your brain tells you like you shouldn't be doing it. And then I was like, no, no, that's not true. Just have to keep going. universe. Yeah.uck the universe're wrong I' making my movies. Exactly Yeahah. exactly. So I think that's just, you know, keep going is really the bott bottom line for me at least. But yeah. I mean, what we've learned from filmmaking is it's all problem solving really you have a plan? shit's going to go wrong at some point. Oh it might not go horribly wrong, but I mean, even little things add to more and more problems and complicates everything, but you just got to keep pushing through and just problem solving's all it is. E just setting up a shot is problem solving. how are we going to do this? Exactly How are we going to fix that reflection? How we going fix the l? Exactly. There's always an issue. There's always going to be an issue. We have to deal with being you know that just deal with always having issues and get through it. Yeah What was the best part about directing actors with an acting background. It is so fun. Yeah I felt like I'd tried to create a space that I would want if I was on the other side of the camera and like I wanted to give them room to play. You know what I mean? Like I gave them the backstory on like, you know the film, what had happened to me, some of the characters, you party culture, my penseade experience, like why some of these girls are the way they are, why they're so wrapped up in this, you know way of being It's like a endless loop loo. Yeah exxactly the endless loop of partying But that's a real thing. likeike I know maybe some people won't understand that because it's a very specific thing, but like that is a real thing. And And some of the girls actually understood and you know we would talk about all that, but then I really wanted them to do their interpretation of it. You know what I mean? of what they how they saw they saw these girls. likeike I was like You know, there's only so much I can do that I want them to run with it. You know what I mean? And I feel like that was the exciting part, like letting them sort of take ownership over the characters too, you know Big influences on the film. Yeah. Where are they? What do you think? Like where you're like, I kind of want it to feel like this movie but also obviously making your own. Yeah likead I want this Toneal I want this. These are my in my brain influences on me Spring Bakers is a huge inspiration movie Be I like I said, like seven times already, sorry I'm repeating myself. about Penn State about like when I state people like let's baby let's go, baby. No, like when I first watched that movie, I was like so blown away because I was like, wow, like that totally mirrored my college experience and like in American party culture while also satirizing it. It so unique too ahead of Yeah. And it was just like totally ahead of its time. and like Yeah, so that was a huge inspiration. I wanted to have that energy Tternal animals was a huge inspiration, really just for like desert and, you know, the threat But orly Farggetette's revenge I don't know if you'veen that movie Oh yeah.. that movie's fantastic. That was her first film. It was the first movie. Yeah, that was a really big inspiration for me. And then I would say Midomar actually in many ways because My main character, Amber and I think Florence Pgh in that film are very similar actually, and they have a very similar journey of when you think about it. And I think when I first saw Momar, I was like, Oh my go, so good. You know what I mean And when I think about when I was writing findind yourour friendriends, I maybe maybe it was subconscious, but like I wasn't like, oh, I'm going to make it like, You know Florence Pu's character for Mitsmar, but I was like there was I loved the movie so much. subconsciously I was maybe really inspired by her in that movie too. yeah. That's craz. That's a great shot in revenge.ot a lot of people know that movie Obviously a ton of people saw this But like sh made a banger. That's a really cool film and like so visceral, the action's awesome. Exact Just like a great, obviously clearly influenced by you're influenced by like the revenge third act story, which I like too. I love that so much. That movie kicks ass. That movie so bloody ass I know it's so bloody. The third act. It kind of it's like a crazy like, it's a crazy movie. It's like a fr of amazing mashup of genres. 'causeuse it's like got this sort of like mad max feel. Exactly. And then obviously like a classic revenge story, but it's so There's a copy about it too. Like there's something really like a you' copy about it. Yeah, the stararing Yeah like rranding yourself to cauterize the wound to. Yeah Bad ass Badass movie. So good. It's a good time. It's like one of those it's a smart movie too because it's a good story, great script, notothing we' never seen before in terms of eventually, but like take what resources you have shhoot somewhere cheaply Yeah in the desert. a couple like that house is like one of the main locations the cavely. And that's pretty much it in the vehicles. And you just make a great story out of what you can use. Exactly. I was looking up what the budget on that movie was when I was trying to go into pre production eye movie because I was trying to look for comps. I what you know other filmmakers I look up to and like What did they shoot their first movies for or whatever? And it was it's just so like simple. you know what I mean? but really well executed. Yeah, exactly. And for not so much money. was just three million budget. Yeah What do you think my budget movie was On yours? Yeah. Let me take a guess. I'm gonna say under a mill It seemed No, it's not. All right. one five. It was like one five. One five Yeah. Yeah All right. I was gonna say like eight fifty nine. No no, no, no too many too many party scen. Yeah. I guess the party scenes, but it's not a lot of locations. And you have you spent a lot of time on the yacht, which is like fifteen, twenty minutes great use of like a good set. Yes. It's like taking advantage of that. Exactly. We just saw some of the stus and stuff too were just like a bit that's what Yeah we have a lot of. We have a lot of we have an ensemble. Yeah flip a fucking truck, like. We blew up a car in our film and like we learned like when we were we were coming up with the idea, it was actually Sarah's, she's off camera right now, her old car, we blew it up I'm like, hey, she wanted to blow it up for either a stunt. She's aunt coordinator too U or for a film and I was like, hey, I wrote this short, but what do you think like how much do you think it would cost to blow up a car And then we figured it out. How did you do that This summer, Prime Video takes you back before legally blonde, before law school and into the world of Elle Woods in high school. Set in nineteen ninety five, this Gemini vegetarian knows exactly who she is until her family moves from Belair to Seattle. 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Wh Where can I see this car blow? I'll send you a. Yeah.'s YouTube It's on YouTube. Yeah. a short film. We were at LA shorts last year with it. cool.rats But we had a great pyro Sarah had a connection through stunt guy and a stunt coordinator who hooked us up with Ilia Ppov. Yeah GemFX. GemFX They're based in Santal Clara. Santa Clara. Santa Clarita of S Clire Cna. Some are really h And then but he does tons of power for live shows. He did the fall guuy, like all the explosions, the bat roll car fllip and the open. So hes he's got a ton of experience and he's like one of the best in the business and he really helped us out and like He blew up our car for first and he blew fuck out of it up. It was sick. It was so sick. So like we love whenever we see low budget filmmaking doing really cool stunts. Yeah. That stunt was like like the scariest thing set. I was literally shitting my pants. I was like the cannon underneath or did it a ramp? There was a ramp ramp ye Yeah. Yeah sure. How'd you know? You just know girl. She Cn. She just know. I know actually, one of the actors in the movie, one of the guys He was a friend, but he also did the stunt. and it was his first time flipping the Ohick. And he but he really wanted to flip the car because he was like I like, I guess in the stunt community, maybe I'm wrong. I don't know, but like It's really hard to break into the car flipping scene unless you've done it before because like they want people who've already done it before. But obviously, he was my friend. who's like, this is the let's do it. Let' Let's flip the car in the movie. And I was like, okay. But like I knew him so well and like leading up to the flip down likeike it was literally five hours and we didn't shoot the scen. Like it's just like there's the same white pickup you're using the whole film. Yeah No, they had to build out the stunt car in a specific way for the flip. Basically like you need to like they put a whole roll cage in there. Yeah, there wass like a lot of safety shit. all the safety shit. So I think and then like the engine there was like a certain I don't know, someone with the gas had to be in a specific area and it was a very little area. so it' run out quickly.. So anyway, it was a very specific setup, but like the car just lit because when we obviously we were rehearsing it multiple times to make sure the camera was getting everything Yeah. car just kept stopping and kept stopping, and it like wasn't working and I was like, Oh my God, is the universe saying I shouldn't be flipping this car? Like shouldould my friend not be doing this? But he had his whole team of stunt guys there m and then eventually The car was working and we did it after five hours of just like waaditing around. Oh my go. And we got by the way, like we we saw almost coming up because it was No, no, no, no, no, no. it wasn't like that was our first that was actually our only shot of the day. It was pretty like it was like eight o'clock or something. but it terrifying because what was I going to say? Fuck I just lost my thought. It was about the car o, We only got one shot. like we had no extra car. likeike so we messed that up, it would have been a whole. we wouldn't have had a car to flip. It would have been done. if we wouldn't have had to figure out something else. No it looks fucking awesome. And then even de basashing the cars to I love that part. Be that was the that was actually the seeded the seed of the idea came from that. So someone actually like was Okay, Yeah should They were close enough. It was getting really close and I was just, you know swerving out of the way and whatever, but but it was that energy. So that was the most exciting part because I was like, this is the reality playing out. Well, they wouldn't be able if they't swerve out of the way. Exactly. I'm just a good driver. like, I'm sorry.one else is on. If someone else was in the car, I would have been fucked. But yeah, the stunt was one of the more exciting days And it's funny because that part gets such a reaction with the audience in the movie they're like wait What you sicked a car I'm like so happy Pactactically too. Yeah. exxactly. I mean you did everything practically. Yeah. everything even the snip snip practically. Snip snip baby. But that was also such a funny scene. That must have been funny. Yeah. We't what it is but it's.'t Yeah yeah.,'s pretty fucked up but we had a lot of fun doing. A lot of laughs. A lot of laughs and like I can't share the behind the scenes like photos yet, but there were some really hilarious photos. we had a great time doing that, so It feels intense when you watch it, but just know that we had fun I bet it looks like fun to shoot. Like I'm I suck with Gre, but I like it. You know not like too much. Yeah I can't watch the terrify mov. This is definitely Oh, the terrify movies are hardcore. But I respect that guy what he's done and he just is making a new movie of Sam Rami now so like Kudos for them to like actually create an aor icon that's lasting. and people want that. Yeah. I love horror and I love watching horror scenes, but a little too much. L I had to look away. I did. Yeah, I know it's intense for sure. I know, I know. I like looking. Im like I just like I like quirming a little bit. Yeah. I love it. If I'mingorrorvie I'm sirming that'sking times P part of the experience. It really is. It's like enduring it. kindind of Yeah. I mean, that's what I think about I like about horror and thrillers so much is It's the purest way to capture human emotion, I think. I love dramas too donon't get me wrong, but I think that Somet about horror It's pure humanity because you can get fear, you can do drama, you can do comedy, you can do all of it in this genre. and I think that's why it's thriving so much right now. Exactly. Un voices. It's so c it's in my mind, one of them, it's more creative because You can tell stories that don't exactly exist in reality. You know what I mean? You can push it to the extreme or, you can take it into a sci fi world and can play you can really play and run with it Where as sometimes in a drama, you have to stay more grounded in reality. Sure, you know. I mean, for some reason, people love serial killers. like every time I go on Netflix, there's twenty new serial killer documentaries or movies based on serial killers. People love the morbid We're always like going to like a museum of Trture is like fun for like twenty minutes. L there's something about it. I know It's intriguing. It is intriguing. You wantan to know more. Why are they? Why are they the way they are?ikeople' provocative and fucked up in Exactly I to see what human is capable of. What was the Ry Mike My brain is having a little brain fart, but the Rye Murphy series, the Evan Peters one, the more recent one. Oh, the Dahmer. Dommer. Dommer Dommer. There' so many I don't even remember. It was like two years ago. It wasn't that long ago. I already forgotten That was like really dark Yeah. And we really go there and people loved it. I loved it too, but like it's just so interesting. They're like, oh my God, people really want to go into the serial killer's mind. I try not to watch a lot of the shows and documentaries. I used to listen to like a lot of podcasts. I don't even though I do a podcast, I don't list to any show at all. Well you don't have time. I going to see all the movies. Exactly. I got to see movies and stuff But I was doing research and I was like, you know what? I'll give Dahmer a shot because I think it's like It looks like it's well produced. Ean Peters is really good actor He's fantastic. and it's so well made And it's so fucked up too.. And like I got really into like researching I would like go to a podcast first or like a documentary that then I'd watch the series based on. Just for a few serial killers. That was one of the main ones. Yeah. that's one of the craziest sties honestly. crazy story And they did that movie. Be obviously many years the series, I think Alex Wolfe was in it. Oh really in the reason one My friend Amer I think that's maybe then Jeremy Renner was in one in like two thousand called just Dahmer. so many I didn't that. I didn't see that one. Be before he wasawkee Jeffrey Dahmer. I didn't see that one. I saw the one. it was kind of , I could be so wrong, so we're going gonna have to take this out if I'm wrong. But it don' o care to be wrong. but I think yeah, it was about likeike young, young dummer like as like a kid basically right before he went and went off and did all the fucked up the shit that he did. Yeah. Yeah. Alex Wolf is awesome. He's such a good actor. He's amazing. H in hereditary is insane. L it. I'm obsessed with his performance That movie makes me feel like truly disturbed from the inside out. like That's the I think still the scarest theater experience I can remember recently in my life. Like people always's the scarest movie've seen in a while.' like it It' alwayss he herereditary. The Thd act Yeah. L when he wakes up with And it's dark out, and it's nighttime he wakes up, He he's got the bengee on his face and she's fucking on the wall And you see her in the showers before he notices like that whole sequence, that like ten minute sequence? Oh my God, it's terrifying. really is It's so terrifying. And still influencing horror. Like how many times have you seen recently in horror movies characters smashing their heads on tables Yeah, I mean smashing their heads down. Yeah. I mean, there's some a little bit of that in obsession. mayaybe not on the table, but, you know obsession. ye, little There there's the brick and then there's The brick's great Really good. And then at the party when she's Yeah, yeah, yeah whatever for I've seen like five movies in the last like couple of years like smashing their heads on a table Yeah. And I think I always go like hereditary nailed it first and they did such a great job. They inspired everyone to do it I mean, Ari Ari was ahead of his time when he came out with that in midsummer. my God, bothoth of those like back to back. they felt like revelations or something. Have you seen his recent films like Eddington? What than we did before that U I was afraid. Yeah, yeah, I saw both of them. Yeah. What did you think about Edton I think it was one of the most important movies on the. It was really important. Yeah yeah. It's hard to watch because you're like,, there's a heaviness to it, but I think that's the point of it. You know what I mean? That's actually the point in the film is you're sitting in this with this weird character, you know.' confusing character. You're not sure how to feel about this character in the world that they're in. You know, And that's like the beauty of it when you actually understand what he's trying to do. fucking crazy. And Edington, I think just twenty twenty there are a couple movies that not a lot of people saw that I think were crazy important Yeah. like Eddington up there especially with. how Data and data storage is basically like there's a new oil race. that's like the new oil. Everything's from hard drives to storage is just booming in price. So many companies are creating all these data centers. And that's like he bookke ends that movie with the data center just in the middle of the small town, the desert But then the story it's like sort of like, you're all distracted here with what's happening during twenty twenty, but this is what's really happening and the world's changing so much than the beginning of the end, the character played by like the homeless man who wanders into town Yeah like walks right past the danner center And then, u What was the House of Cards Catherine Biglow's film? Or no House of Damond House of Diam. I loveved that movie. I thought that was fantastic. Yeah. The movie was so good. I was soed I wanted some closure with the ed so badly. evenven though I I obviously as a filmmaker knew that like I knew why that doesn't make sense and why it's genius not to have it. But I was like She She had me so hooked. I was like, I want the ending, but it was powerful. I think that was the second most important movie of the year that's like Catherine's such a great filmaker. first of all, she's had one of the best. And what I love about her career is she makes the movies that she wants to make. She plays her game and she does what she wants. and I love how she does a lot of action movies and does a lot of war films. Yeah. I mean, she made fucking point break first of all Isn't that it? I always forget that I'm like, that's crazy. I know. It's amazing. She's She's so much rain. I know Shen't do anything. She the Vampire movie? Yeah What's it called? something Oh with o my Godd Bill Paxton's in it. Fuck I don't remember. Vampire movie, Katherine Biggelow, where we got Sarah up. I might come over the first I can't remember but it's awesome. It's very cool. Yes. It's very edgy. ahead of its time as well U But her lock Her lock is fantastic. Like her range is insane. near dark Near dark. Yes sort. I knew Dark was in it.. That's the coolest movie It's the coolest vampire movie And then I mean, but House of Dynamite. I love the tripp. I love the way she told the story from the different perspectives. Yeah. telling the same thing but with a different character. Exactly. Everyone who I saw watched that movie like friends in the community or in letterbox, people were still upset about the ending. It's like, guys, the ending is the world's over. Exactly. We're all dead. That's the ending. You don't have to show it. Exactly. It's still a very important film to understand like it's not the Cold War Yeah, but it's probably scarier, but we act like it's not happening. Exactly That's the movie is so good. Yeah, of course. You people want closure, but like sometimes it put sometimes There is no closure. You don't have to see everything. have to see everything. you know? Yeah. We have to learn not to have to see everything. We have to see everything get concluded. I mean exactly. onene of the reasons I love No Country for All Men so much is just ends with have your Aunt on Suar just walks awayactly. She doesn't get caught by the cops. She's gone. I know. It's like we don't have to see what happens to him. know. exactly. The story ends.. It's all good. we't Yeahah exactly we don't need know what's next. Sometimes there's a little too much exposition in movies these days. We don't have to explain every little thing. Yeah. That's what I liked about your characters. They're all really well formed. Like you said, they all had backgrounds that you explored from your pp state. Yeah. They're all so unique So I enjoyed that about the film, the characters are really unique. Thank you. A lot of people are like, what happens after? And I'm like, I'm like,'s the point. I'm like that's what that's not. May they have another girl'skend Yeah they're going for another girl's weekend. I'm like's that's really there's no explanation. It's actually not what the movie. the movie's not about what's after. Yeah. The movie' what we just saw, right? because it's that plays in just like in a real weaken amount of time. It's just like that's it That's the story. And like that's why I liked about the opening so much the whole opening just progressing on this story on this party on this yacht It's just felt such real time. and I like that in movies when there's like a real time sequence. Yes. That was exactly what I was going forward to. and that's why I really wanted to be shot, handheld and sort of frenetic because I was like, I wanted to feel like we're like on this ride for like two days, even though it's like a ninety minute experience. wanted to just feel like we're just like with these girls or with Amber, like the camera' with them and like we're feeling all of that. Like we're on this girl so we can with them. Yeah. It's an intense film, you know, you're exploring a lot of difficult subject matter, but I am always still drawn to seeing those kinds of movies. like I remember immediately thought of the style of like irreversible in a lot of ways Gasperaru. L the way he shoots the handheld, the it felt like climax, irreversible at times. obbviously irreversible. compliments to me. Sorry, you're welcome. I saw the double feature of that last year at the new Bed with And I'd never seen airreversible before And never side my mind. It's very Tough movie to watch and a lot of people won't watch it. No,'s definitely a I guess controversial movie. Yeah, but that happens in life. Yeah, exactly. It happens. I love the movie so much. firstirst of all, just like technically and then the way it's told and it's just so what an original idea, you know what I mean? to like not know why we're what's happening in the film? we're going back It's so. You see like the aftermath of everything that's happened Yeah. and just the way he shot it That opening shot just like it's just like exploring and like just moving up the side of the building and leaving what happened and I love the chemistry of Vincent Castell andmonica Bllucci who's just like an all timer, both of them. They're such good scenes. And like byy the time the movie ends, you're like with them in the shower and like at the beginning of their night. weird. They did a screening, I think Last year two years ago of the movie just in chronological order. Really? It so weird seeing it like that. D someone cut it up Like they just did it. like Gaspar came for it. He was dreaming. Yeah, they like I think it's just like a fun thing to do, but like it was so different seeing the movie in the order it's supposed to be t. I wonder how they it must have been weird editing that because it kind of flows so well reversed. It does Be like the scenes end, but they flow into the opening of the next scene so well, but if you flip it and the end is the beginning, sort it's just like must have been odd. They figure that out. They figure that out, I think. I think it was intentionally edited putut some stuff Exactly. But it was so weird seeing the movie in that way. You know what I mean? Beuse you're like start to get attached to the character. Sure. Then you really feel differently about that final scene. you're like, Oh my go, fuck yeah. like you know what I mean? But in the beginning, you're like Whoa, L's going so far. What's happening? Why are we Why he doing this? Why he doing this right now? Like but that's actually the beauty of the movie you when you see that scene you're like It's so jarring. It's almost like when do you normally have a reaction like that? Do you know what I mean? When you're like, I have no idea what's going on right now? Why is this happening? It's a genius film, honest. It's fantastic. And like I like provocative filmmakers too. Yeah. Like Lars Vonre say you say what you want about him makes incredible films. Amazing. Even his more recent films like The House of Jackbill. king amazing. Man Coia is one of my favorites. I felt depressed after I watched that for like weeks, but I did like I was like, wow, that was a masterpiece. Yeah. He's made a lot. they both I like that. I like and I think a lot of people I think this younger generation, they can be afraid to watch dark films because I think they're so protected often, I think by film communities or like the internet. but I think it's important to watch difficult films. Oh my go. Change your perspective on films. Like even if you watch solo, it's a fucked up film. I mean, you get to learn a lot about humanity and the things that people are capable of. Exactly That's why I love Gaspar so much too. Like I'm like, I'm so inspired by his work because he's not afraid to go there and he's not trying to make a movie to please people if that makes sense. You know what I mean? L like sometimes that can happen. You know what I mean? You want to make a movie people like? Like of course, we all do. but see movies like that, you know, like bold filmmakers just go for it and like It could be on touchy subject matters or whatever. It's like so just inspiring. you're like, oh my god, wow. like you're just true artist, you know, H movies are so different too. He never kind of does the same thing Never. Always whether it's format shift, aspect ratio or the type of film or digitally he's doing or the style of filming, he's always changing what he does, which is cool. He's exploring. as most artists should do on your game. E enters a void, like being shot in that way was so like I felt like, wow, like I had never seen that before and it felt me you know what I mean? like It seemed like he was playing. Yeah And Climax is a wild movie too. I love climax. Yeah. It felt like Y like was inspired with like the music ex. It was exactly that part. A lot of long shots, a lot of handheld. I know Climax just felt like you couldn't escape and similar to what I wanted people to feel in my movie, which is like, you can't escape this fucking party. Like you're on the ride. Like you're not getting off this ride now. you know, like this is where we are. Just like the girls kind of ye. Exactly, yeah, exactly. the audience and the girls. We got a few more minutes left, but I'm just curious. like what are some of your all time favorite movies H If you had to pick like three, four I already told you one, which is Maholland Dryve. That is one of my all time favorite. I already okay. I named a few. I named. Maholland Drive, I named u the shining, silence of the lambs, I would say those are in my I've already asked questionsically. They't know there's more there's morecauseuses more. Spring Breakers is definitely one. N like that built A twenty four in so many ways. It did. It literally like then herry really like ye ye. And then A French movie called Blue is the Warmest Color. Oh fuck yeah. I love that movie That movie like tore me apart in all the best ways. and I just feel like so real, you know, I was just so I just love that it felt like I don't know, there wass something so touching about the film And their performances are amazing Then Do you like the three colors trilogy I haven't watched those That's like on my list to do immediately. Like when I was like waiting for all my movie stuff to settle down to watch Um Irreversible I think I'm kind of blinking out, but Um, There's a movie called Victoria that I really love And it's all done in one shot two and a half hour no, sorry, two hour and fifteen minute film and it's all one take. And it's so inspiring. I also just love it. It's just like a high stakes kind of film about this young woman who's in Berlin and she gets caught up with a group of people and things sort of spiral out of control without giving too much away