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Oh, look at that So M are going to be in a runoff, I give the edge to Karen Baskz. Who knows more about running off? Yeah Oh we kid Spencer, oh boy, I had him on my podcast. It's like a Jason Stathfam movie with this guy. It's like You burned down my house. now I'm coming for you And he's very quality of life issues, very concerned about the homeless, who he always calls naked homeless drug addicts Pe like that term. they prefer former child actor. We also had the primary for goovernor here, the leading candidate, Javier Bisera That is the exact kind of enthusiasm that he No, he won because he's the closest name on the ballot to fuck ice.. U Also, you know who was on the ballot? Eric Swalwell was still on the ballot and got nineteen thousand votes. Who were these people? peopleeople who opened a dick pick and liked it Oh Yeah Democrats have another sex creep problem. haveave you seen this guy, Graham Platner up in Maine. He' their big hope to take the Senate, the Democrats. But Graham Platner, he's a lot got a Nazi tattoo. We don't know about that. mayaybe it was just drunk. he didn't know it was whatever. But a lot of stuff. Now stuff about, you know, he definitely was sexting other women outside of his marriage. Now some of the girlfriends are coming for it. One of them says he used to watched TV while he was sharpening his actx. could cost him women and their vote, but he did win over Stephen King. Its Main, It's a small state. you gotta You apparently Graham Platner, one of the girlfriends said one of his fantasies was how heroic he would be if there was a home invader. Problem is how he wanted to be heroic with the home invader, which was by raping him. I'm just reporting people. I just But but not in a gay way. He emphasized that not in a gay way, just in a regular, this is what happens to a guy who busts into my house way That's politics, okay? I mean, sayay what you want. It's not soft on crime said, doesn't anybody want to win a race? Both parties. I mean, you know this week, Jill Biden, have you seen that? She needs to have a book out, Jill Biden. She went on said she thought Joe was having a stroke during the debate. didnidn't mention at the time iew and admitted, she thought no, Joe couldn't have served another term. They said, really, she said, No, not from what I know now. Who knew Yes, other than everyone, no one. Do't anyone want to win? I mean, the other side, Trump keeps pissing off people so badly, evenven the Republicans are standing up to him now. They figure, hey, it worked for the Iranians. You always tell when the president is in a bad mood because he starts tweeting about me. look I feel it's an honor always to be in his tweets, even when they're bad and they're always bad. This week, he said I was low ratings Bill Mar with his fake laughing machine. First of all, low ratings, yours is thirty five percent Fake laughing machine. Can we get a shot of our audience S said on that He's in a fal mood Did you see the phone call he had with Prime Minister Netanyahu of Israel? Wow, the language. He didn't even deny it. He said to Natsunu, You're fucking crazy. You'd be in prison if it wasn't for you. I'm saving your ass. everyverybody hates you And your laughing machine is fake He Let's not forget it is the beginning of Pride mononth or as. Lindsey Graham called I said, Why is everybody you looking at me, M? You know, look, I gotta say. Usually Pride Month is just fun, but there is news this year. This is serious. There is disturbing polling that the acceptance of gay people in this country on all levels is regressing among Republicans. One of their congresspeople, Andy Ogles How' that perfect for the name He said homosexuality has no place in America. Then he took down the tweet and blamed it on a staffer like real men do. This is a serious thing that is going in out, acceptance of same sex marriage is wayigh down among Republicans. Oh, they still want the gay sex part, just not the marriage part former Ambassador Susan Rice and Senator Chris Murphyer here, but first up. Okay, he was the forty eighth Vice Pident of the United States. H new book is called What Conservatives Belve Rediscovering the Conservative consonscious. How about it for Vice President Mike Pence? look at that L here. We got a nice appluse and we're standing our vent here S is crowd in all adults. Thank you very much. Yeah, because they're willing to listen to anybody and so am I. And I'm sure lots of people said to you, whyy are you going on that crazy atheist show? Yeah More than a few. moreore than a few. But that's why I so appreciate you being here. I'm glad to be here. I'm glad you're here because I think We can say to each other, we don't agree in a lot of stuff, but I know there are ways you've said to my staff, Israel and stuff, you think I'm not all bad. Anybody who did what you did on january sixth, can't be all I think we have a lot in common. like we both know, it's kind of hard to stay friends with Donald Trump Well Are you ever in contact with them these Well, you know, it's been a while since we spoke. You never just called him. I you've actually spent more time with him recently than I had But no, I love how you started the show. and I really want to commend you for the way you carry yourself. I really see you as a You're an honest broker. I try to Sak your mind and it's hard I've always said know, I'm a conservative, but I'm not in bad mood about it And you've always struck me as a liberal. It's not a bad moodie. No, no, no. I want to talk to everybody. My little line is everybody's a monster till you talk to them J just talk to them a little bit. And I really do believe that's a key to our country Right now. In fact, I don't know if I mentioned that I just wrote a book. I'm just about to bring it up Just about to bring it up In the book, I actually I really believe that Democracy depends on heavy doses of civility And I think the American people long for us to restore a threshold of cveil All No, I mean the brok. The book And your column today in the Washington Post The theme is that we are at a crossroads in America. I mean, you are a traditional old school Republican conservative, and you see this country having moved to a different place populism put in contrast to traditional conservatism. Now, when you say populism We all think, and rightly so, that means Donald Trump So you're saying we've gone off track. And you're basically saying the person who took us off track is Donald Trump. Do I have that right? Well, I don't think entirely, Bill, in all fairness I. lookook, for the last five decades, the Republican partarty that You might be surprised to learn I was a young Democrat I am. When I joined the Republican Py. What? When Ronald Reagan came with the White House were a Democrat. I was a young Democrat. but I listened to Ronald Reagan, I heard about the ideals of a strong defense of limited government, traditional values. and I joined the Reagan Revolution. For fifty years, the Republican partarty hass been defined by those conservative principles We principally did political combat with with the Liberal Democratic Party. But as you will concede, the Democratic Party itself has slid farther to the left, the progressive left, even embracing socialism Lifting up Eve me, I have the battle scars for pointing it out. Well, I look. I want to do I mean, the progressives on the far left are questioning our support for traditional allies, E Israel, our most cherished ally But what I wrote the book about is that in addition to the context with the ever more left wing radical Democratic party, now in America, conservatives deserve to know that I think there is a new threat to our movement from the populist right that would question our role as leader of the free world that would embrace big government solutions, including broad based tariffs, price controls nationalizing American businesses. I heard Elizabeth Warren when the Trump administration announced They were nationalizing American businesses. Elizabeth Warren said I think Donald Trump came across an idea that I came up with years ago. and actually build that nationalizing private enterprise is an idea that Carl Marx came up with years ago. Yes. But that and marginalizing traditional values like the right to life I just want people to know that while the Trump administration has gotten a lot right, secured the border, extended tax cuts. And by the way, I said that to him. Yeah on the show. he just you have to agree with him one hundred percent or he hates you. You know, just you're just part I agree there and there is such a thing as Trump Derangement syndrome You know, think people people who just hate everything, he could cure cancer tomorrow. And there were people would hate it just because he did it. I agree the border needed to be fixed. You know, I see tax cuts were extended And look,, I don't know about that one. In the wake of in the wake of october seventh, the way candidate Trump and President Trump have stood without apology for Israel and finally been the fresh president in history aking the fight directly to Iran last year and this year. And he will be commander. I know. And I have commended him The problem is that he does other things that are not good And and I will not stop talking about those. Doge Iice The corruption The revenge. path that he's on, not conceding elections These are just the top five. I mean, I feel like So I'm sorry, but that's how I feel. And I feel like the Democrats finally have an issue with this corruption. I mean, there's a senator, John Ossof in the Democratic Party who said that today's Republicans aropoted your thing about populism. He says, they are the elites they pretend to hate You agree with that? Well, I do think that this populous right that's coming up within our movement really questions the foundations of conservatism in America. It's why I wrote the book, What Conservatives believe, because I really want to begin a conversation aboutb the future of our movement. Look, we're going to have a new standard bear in twenty twenty eight. Candidates coming up in twenty twenty six You know, But I tell people it's going be more important for the people in our party to talk about what we're for before we talk about who we're for And I want the Republican Party will stay grounded in those traditional v But how about beginning with saying to the guy who keeps saying, there are ways you could do it, and I'm talking about Donald Trump ' that's what he says. Yeah. He does not it's just insane to me to absolutely won't say You can't run, It's just plainly in the Constitution. Your book is a lot about what's in the Constitution And following that. And there's nothing more plainar than you get two terms, not three. It seems like we could some many the exes we could come to some agreement with the middle, like january sixth Like Trump pardoned everybody Could we say that, yes, some people were there just for reasons of who knows. They weren't exactly tourists, but they weren't having horrible intent. Can we say some bad people were there like the ones who wanted to hang you We say those were bad people. ill, Yeah, I made it clear. I had no problem with the president pardoning people who got caught up in that day. But for anyone who assaulted a police officer, anybody that violated and vandalized the seat of our government and sought to disrupt the counting of electoral college votes, thoseose people never should have been pardoned and they should never get a di So No ill feelings about the hanging thing No I get, you know, Did you ever fear for your life? you didid you actually fear? They would that could happen. Well, to be honest with you, I never felt a greater sense of resolve any day of my life than on january sixth You know, I've often told my kids the safest place in the world is to be in the center of God's will And I really knew I was where I was supposed to be. doing what I was supposed to be doing And under the Constitution, the vice presresident's role is only to preside over a session Of Congress where the electoral college votes are opened and counted. That's it And no vice president in history had ever asserted any authority to decide what votes to count or send back to the states. And so I knew my duty was clear and I I'll always believe by God's grace I did my j ten And I know as a person of faith because I know a lot of people of faith, they say They know if they they think if they die, they'll be in a better place. So maybe if they hung you, good thing. isue abortion. Now this is one we'll never quite agree on. Yeah I get it I get your side of it You know, I always have. Some people don't like that above me. I'm pro choice, but I understand it is becoming a life and we're just King it before it can fight back I'm just okay with that Now we find out Even after Roe versus Wade was overturned Abortion has increased in these in I guess across the country because they don't do it by having to go to a clinic. You get a pill over the mail Should we outlaw these pills? Is that where you are in this issue? Well, I really believe it's one example where we've seen the Trump administration topart from that conservative agenda. I mean, I couldn't be more proud that our administration appointed three of the justices that sent Roe vers. Wade to the Ash heap of history where it belongs. But since that time, as you said, bill abortion after the Biden administration, essentially approved mail order abortion, no doctor supervision with a drug that's actually done great harm to many women around the country as well as claimed unborn lives It's been a disappointment to me and other prolifers that this administration has turned a blind eye to that issue entirely. In fact, appointing an abortion rights supporter to lead the health and human serervices depepartment. So it was part of the impetus for me writing what conservatives believe, because I really do believe that at the end of the day The Republican Party ought to offer a choice, not an echo. Look, I never begrudge anybody you included of having liberal views. America is all about. You can believe what you believe, Ill believe what I believe. And as long as we conduct each other with the golden rule, I agree. And I way forward as a country. I feel like you are the standard for me. Because I like of all the people Wh with cucum Challenge myself and be friendly with. You were probably as far on the other side as me. And I hope we canve keep that. I want you to do club random my podcast and get super high with me. Would you do that? We'll just kick it I'll do the hup. You'll think about it. All right. Thankk you, Mike, Ps, everybody. Thank you Vice President, and good luck with the bs. All right, let's read our p He is a Democratic senator from Connecticut, author of the book Crisis of the Common Good, The Fight for Meaning and Connection in a Broken America. Senator Chris Murphy she served under three presidents, including as US Ambassador to the UN, National Security Advisor and director of the Domestic Policy, Council, Ambassador Susan Rice. Thank you you for being with us Okay, Now let's hear from the Democratic side. Now we're a couple of weeks away, three weeks away from our two hundred fifteth anniversary. I don't know if you're getting all the emails from people in the media asking your comments. And what do you think is the most? I am, I bet your people like you are What is your big takeaway, they? What made America work My answer is balance That was the genius of the Constitution, threeree branches of government that kept each one in check. That was what was new. That's what we've lost I feel Now the headlines this week are all about the Republicans are maybe going to restore that. I've heard this before, but we do hear rumblings from lots of Republicans in ways we haven't before. Last week it was all about the slush Fund and we heard people saying stupid. I'm talking using stupid, Trump is being stupid and it's a slush fund in Wdsweed. This week it's about Bill Poulte, who he tried to or United and Try. He is the director of National intntelligence now John Thone says we don't need a weaponized DNI What's going on here? Is this real this time? they Is it that they smell blood that Trump is going to be After the midterms may be a lame duck, they see his ratings are low Whatatch up I don't think it's real. I mean, I just watched in the last twenty four hours after they made a whole bunch of noise about this slush fund They said they weren't going to give him his number one priority, this immigration bill that he wanted if he didn't do away with the slush fund. He's said openly that he's still thinking about it. They had an opportunity last night in the Senate to adopt an amendment that would have made it completely illegal. Only a handful of Republicans voted for it. I think there's only one rule in the Republican Party and it still holds. He gets anything that he wants It's true they're starting to make more noise right now as they get closer to the election. And I think that They think that that will have some electoral benefit, making more noise. But until they actually start voting against him, voting to end this war, voting to tie his hand so that he can't set up personal political slush funds. I just don't know that for our democracy, the noise matters that much. They apparently did have some big screaming match with each other last week Yeah and then and then what happened what happened last night? They delivered him the votes to pass his immigration bill without any amendment that would stop the slush runund from going forward. Listen, I'm with you. I'm rooting for them to break from him. I just haven't seen it yet. I'd like to see balance restored. Yes. I think that one interesting test of that will be how the Republicans respond to Bill Pulty. because he is now going to be the acting director of National intntelligence. Here is somebody that has literally No national security and no intelligence experience The statute says that's required by law in the DNI He has never had a security clearance. He's never touched classified material. Who is he He's a a housing financier and the sky in of a was even the fancy business family and then he went to the FH. a and has apppparently used that perch as a way to operationalized He's a lar his efforts to go after some of his adversaries. I think that kind of character with the mission that the President has overtly given him to go in there and you know, find evidence of rigged elections and to go after people within the intelligence community who are long standing experts and rid them of the place That's quite worrying. And I think if we care deeply about our national security, which we must att a time when we're dealing with Russia and China and Iran and terrorist We need somebody as director of I do remember when we created that gurea offic. I do remember when we created that bureaucracy after nine hundred eleven People on the left said, what are we doing? Well, why? why do we need it? I remember my joke was if only we had some sort of central intelligence agency which is now one of the eighteen agencies under the DNI. It just seemed like another layer of bureaucracy we didn't need. Maybe we don't. Well, no, I do think we do, and it's not perfect, believe me. We've both dealt with the intelligence community and its complexities. But the reason why after nine hundred eleven, that concept made sense was what we discovered when we did the look backack on nine hundred eleven was it was stove pipes between the FBI and the CIA and other aspects of the intelligence community weren't sharing information Is the FBI to do the DNA? Yes So they all are. Yes. and it works Well, It works better than not having a DNI, I think. Right. Okay. And P I mean, listen, Palty's chief qualification, according to Donald Trump is that he is going to be willing to go into the intelligence files and pull out information on Trump's political opponents. I mean, that's the only reason this guy got picked because he did it at the housing agcy. and now he's going to do it. That's the key That's the reason that Pouulte is being nominated for this position. even he only stays on the job for a couple weeks, that's enough time for him to go in and fish out information on a whole bunch of people that Trump is trying to destroy. Okay This episode is brought to you by Red Finn You're listening to a podcast, which means you're probably multitasking Maybe even scrolling homelistings on Redfin saving homes without expecting to get them. But Redfin isn't just built for endless browsing. It's built to help you find and own a home. With agents who close twice as many deals, when you find the one, you've got a real shot at getting it. Get started at reedfin. com Own the dream What do you get when you combine bingo style bonuses and slots? Cashingo. Draft Kings's Casino is the exclusive place to play cashhingo slots. 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See turnerms at casino dot draft Kings dot com slash promos ands july twenty second at eleven fifty nine PM Eastern time Let me ask another issue. There is something called the Great American State fair Fest of. the same thing as the UFC event on the car track going around the city? Yes, but there's lots of exciting stuff in Washington going on. No, the UFC think lookook, we have a redneck president. I'm sorry. We just just going have to get your Manhattan. from Manhattan, a red neck He just does redneck things. Okay. This is one of the things I don't give a shit about. but this other thing was notned as a specific Trump thing or a specific MAGa thing. And they had some acts lined up, not the greatest. The Commodoreors, Morris Day and the time. They were pretty good. Commodoreors were good in the day. Very good. yes, that's true.. That's Lyionel Richie, right? Yeah. Okay. Well, he's not with them anymore. Okay Martina McBride, Brett Michaels, Young MC, C plusC Music factory. Nilly Vanilli, I would not have left him on it. I think he was just. I think it was just Vanilli. Right. Yes. It was Right, Be the other one was discredited for Lp syner. R R I think these people' the good. They all pulled out. This is a question about what looks best for the Democrats Because I don't think that looks good. It looks like you are just what people say about you. You don't really love America. It looks like you think Trump is more important than the country itself. Now it's just a big MAGA rally this whole thing, because they all pulled out. So now it's just Trump and Lee Greenwood wouldn't have been better to play this gig? It was a month long gig. Lots of people like just celebrating America. Can't we all just celebrate America itself and leave Trump out of it? And listen, my kids are excited about the DC race, right? Like I mean, there is stuff list, that's obviously a ton of people love the UFC. There's going to be people that are excited about this. but here's what happened. There was a nonpartisan, a pololitical effort to celebrate America's two hundred fiftieth anniversary. And instead of just letting that effort go forward, Donald Trump took it over, right to create a parallel set of events. My understanding is these artists thought that they were going to the nonpisan effort. and then when they found out that it was just a predicate to a Trump rally, they didn't want to be part of it. I think this would have been a lot better for the country if Trump had decided to just let professionals let people who just care about celebrating America with no political agenda be part of this, I agree there's no reason to overly politicize this. but Trump decided to politicize it by essentially shutting down the citizens who were leading it and turning it into a big MAGa event. What about the bigger issue big issue of there is a It's Pride Month, but a different kind of pride, pride in the country. There's a big pride gap. likeike thirty eight percent of Americans report feeling proud. That's not a lot. But it's only eighteen percent Democrats, sixty eight percent Republicans. Should Democrats feel prouder of this country and show it both really And politically You're talking to two people who've served their country for most of their careers. So I'm talking about you. I'm talking about our country and I'm very proud it. but I also think that we're in a difficult spot and we need to do better this is part of the reason I wrote this book about the common good, because there's actually a lot more agreement out there in America than you think about what's wrong and what needs to be fixed. You know People want healthier small towns and neighborhoods. They do think that capitalism has been corrupted. They want the technology regulated to save their kids We've been fighting on the same issues year after year after year. They're important issues, but they're kind of stuck in political gelatin from guns to climate change. But there is a set of things that makes the economy more fair, that makes the technology less poisonous, that makes your local downtown healthier, that are actually things that unite left and right, an agenda about the common good. And my hope is that this two hundred fiftyh celebration doesn't become just about the differences between Republicans and Democrats, but maybe causes us to realize that there are actually some things that could make us feel better about our lives that have nothing to do with left or right and can bring us together Also I noticice have pulled back on the idea of litmus tests. That's kind of a big theme for you now I mean, you talk about the gun issue, which you are more associated with than anybody and You're saying now No went too far Yeah, well, I want a big for the Democratic Party. and I do think that we have lost a share of vote because we've been really judgmental about people who don't line up with us on all of our litmus test issues. I also think we should be in the business of conversion, like converting people, like trying to convince them that maybe they're wrong about drag shows being the biggest threat that is presented to this country. And I don't think you ever get to be in a conversation with somebody if you tell them that they can't be a part of your party or they can't get nominated unless they line up with you on A B, C, D, and E issues. So we don't talk to Trumps bace very often. We don't even give ourselves a chance to say, hey, if you think the economy is rigged, just come and listen to us a little bit about our ideas. I want to build a bigger Tent partarty, and I think that in doing that, you might actually have the ability to reach into some of the folks that are solid members of his base and convince them that he's really a populist fraud. He's vulnerable now, don't you think L that I would just add that in the current context The most important thing I think we need is you use the term big tent, and I think that's absolutely right We need a coalition of Americans of all political persuasions who in my view, believe in three fundamental things The Constitution the rule of law and the animating principle of this country that we're all created equal suubbscribe to that. I think belongs in the biggest possible tent we can create Is this tent big enough for this Graham Platner guy? I must say I don't want to make any judgment because I'm just learning who he is. And unfortunately so is he, apparently I mean This is a new kind of guy that and it's not just in the Democrats, peopleeople who like, if you look at their history You could find things that make them look very conservative, like a Nazi tattoo would I would in the past have associated with the consern And then there's things that, you know, he's also flirted with communism. And now he's got a sex scandal, which in the past has been just something that absolutely made somebody toxic in the Democratic Party, unlike in the Republican Party, where they dont they don't care at all. What about this one? Have what have you been reading about Mr. Platner? and what do you think they should do? Because if he wins, they think they're going to get the Senate. So it's a very key seat Yeah, I mean, this is going to be a complicated race. He is imperfect. He's made a lot of mistakes. He's been pretty clear about it from The outset, he's built a pretty big movement in Maine because people like his ideas On the other side, you've got Susan Collins, who just last night cast one of the deciding votes to give seventy billion dollars to Trump's secret police. That's a character issue as well. So I think you're seeing more candidates run today that don't have perfectly clean personal histories. And the question in Maine is going to be, is he a bridge too far? O are his ideas what do you say? You're in the Senate? Well, I think he's the cle I think he's the clear choice you say Nazi schmazi and texting schchmxting and I'm just asking. maybe that's the right answer. Like I said, I think this is a super complicated race, but I think the choice here is between the incumbent who has enabled Trump's corruption and Graham Platinner, very imperfect, but who has fought and put his life on the line for this country, which is not something that's insignificant. No, it's not And I just think it's a different country. It's a broken country. It's full of broken people with bad information. both sides. And I think people just go He's pissed. I get that. Yeah. And these and this last set of allegations are serious allegations that he's going to have to talk about with the people of Maine, and they're ultimately going to make that decision, but that will be their decision to make Okay. Graam Platinner, any thoughts I remember when a tan suit was a scandal cu cup of coffee and he saluted. It was tea. tea, whatever it was. He was holding a cup, and it was, I know, things have changed a lot. Let's talk about Iran because I'm never going to get anybody here on this show who knows more about it than you because you were very instrumental in the original Iran deal. Um I talked about that I mean, I was supportive of that deal. I remember talking about it That horrible night when I had dinner with Voldemort in his castle We did talk about that a lot about the Iran deal. and I said, you know, I thought it was worth a try to bring Iran into the family of nations That wasn't that the deal? No, but gohe We weren't trying to bring n trying to deal their nuclear program. But wasn't that the first step? No So we didnt never, Okay, then that's the question. Okay. There was other issues that we said, we're going to put those aside because Iran is doing a lot of bad things. The reason why I was supportive of this war, if he hadn't fucked it up, and I think we all agree now, it's been fucked up was because I don't think anything in the Middle East is going to get solved until you deal with Iran. And it was not just a nuclear issue. It's the fact that they have been state sponsored terrorists for years All of it with I rnt is just never very good Okay So We put that aside for the Iran deal and said, we just want to deal with the nuclear. Was that right to decouple those Yes Let me explain what we did and why I think it was the right thing and why I think unfortunately we're really on the wrong course right now First of all, Iran, as you said, absolutely correctly poses threats on multiple dimensions. It's missile program, it's support for proxies in the region, it's human rights violations But the way it poses a direct threat to Israel, to our allies in the region, to Europe, and potentially to the larger international community is if it were able to acquire a nuclear weapon or weapons plural And so back in twenty thirteen We began to try an effort without using force, but using economic pressure and sanctions that brought Iran to the negotiating table And after two years of negotiations resulted in it The nuclear deal prevented Iran from Building a nuclear weapon. Based on inspections. Based on not just inspections, based on taking ninety sevencent, ninety eight percent of their fissil material out of the country, shutting down their plutonium reactor. making it impossible for them to put in place the most highly sophisticated centrifuge. And you know they weren't cheating? We know that we know it for two reasons. twowo ways And the intelligence community of the United States and even Israel validated that up until twenty eighteen The prior president pulled out. not Israel Yes. And secondly, that they were not cheating on the Iran nuclear deal. That's not. And second the IAEA The International Atomic Energy Agency had twenty four seven intrusive inspections in all of Iran's nuclear facilities. So when the United States withdrew from the nuclear deal, The deal was being implemented fully But even if you don't buy that was if Netanyah who thought they weren't cheating, why was he so adamant to get out of the deal? Because this is the right question. It gets back to your original point. It wasn't just about nuclear in the minds of the Israelis So he was lying when he No, not lying Well, that's what he said to me. He said don' agree we don't believe that they're not cheating because we they're going to get a weon and we gott to get it And when we had a mechanism in place to prevent them from getting it urged President Trump to get out of the deal. They got out of the deal. And what happened? Ian built up his arsenal. Now they have four hundred and forty kilograms of highly enriched uranium up enough for ten bombs. They have a sophisticated missile program They now control the strait of Hormus. And they are tanking the global economy as a consequence And what have we done? We went to war We have not either dealt with the nuclear program or verifiably dealt with the missile program or the proxy proble. We've made it worse. It's an FC me on every level. I mean, we the regime change didn't happen. Uprising didn't happen We didn't get the nukes We didn't even get their military, really, We Correct. And we look weak. Correct. And now we have to go back to the negotiating table and we're going to go back with a much weaker hand and end up with a deal that I would be very surprised if it's nearly as good as what we got in twenty fifteen. And so that's why it doesn't make sense. No it doesn't Every president has been briefed on the consequences of military action like what Trump has taken. And they were all told two things. One, Iran's going to close the straight fir. It's going to shut down the global economy. With an air campaign alone, you are not going to be able to get their nuclear program. You're not going to be able to get all their missiles. You're not going to be able to get all their drones. And so that's where we're stuck with. We're stuck with a situation in which the strait is closed down. That was a foreseeable action. And Iran believes that it's taken our best shot and survived because open reporting says they still have seventy percent of their missiles yet still in stock. And so unfortunately, Everybody knew that this was going to be the outcome, and maybe because Netanyahu convinced Trump that there was going to be a quick regime fall and a pro American, pro Israeli government taking its place, he bought into that flawed logic. All right hypothetical question Tomorrow, Donald Trump decides he wants to spend more time with his family And he resigned JD Vet Jie Jie Vence is the president What would the new policy toward Iran be? and what should it be? We got a new slate, we got a new guy wasasn't crazy about it to begin with What do you think it would be I mean, that's like speculating about speculating. I mean who knows? No, it's one But I have no idea. What should it be if we had shouldould it be I what new slate could we have? Well, here we are now as a result of the decision that President Trump made to go to war with no good options. We've got bad options and worse options. We either escalate the war, which is unlikely to lead to anything better than what we have now, probably much worse or We get into a negotiation with Iran if they'll even negotiate with us from a position of weakness where they now control the Strait of Hormuz and can dial it up and down where they have this nuclear material, where they have a greater incentive to rush to a bomb and And we're starting from know less than square one. But those are the two options And whether you're JD Vance or Donald Trump or anybody else, that's the hand that has been det you. as a result of this decision making. I someome of this can just be explained by basic incompetence, right? We have incompetent people running this war. I don't I don't think these guys can negotiate their way out of a paper bag. I don't think they can negotiate a way to get the strait open. So my feeling is we need to end the war, and then it's likely going to be other players, the Europeans or Gulf countries that are going to come in and find a way to get the strait reopened. I just don't think that these guys have the ability to do it. All right, thank you very much. I appreciate it And forneal A Florida cop who pulled over a woman for distracted driving, insisting he saw her holding a phone in her right hand only to find out she doesn't have a right hand But gave her a ticket anyway. must not be judged too harshly. Be a cop is always dangerous, and for all he knew, she could have been armed O new rull the half dozen kids who are hospitalized in San Diego after doing the Benadrill challenge Where they consume, yes, a large quantity of benadryl to induce hallucinations M be congratulated That's six kids who won't be dying from fentanyl Six kids who got it through their heads that today's designer drugs are just too risky and said, you know what Let's party with the stuff grandma takes before a flight Ifiral until sixty minutes works through all its behind the scenes turnover drama, they have to change their name to give us a minute I don't think anybody said you're fired on TV this much since the Arentice H Sunday Night used to be the one time of the week when families weren't fighting One too many there Newule, whether you're about to have a fight in a movie or whether you're about to have a fight in a bar, everyone has to come up with a better threat than I'm going to tear off your something and shove it up here somewhere The human body has only so many things to tear off and only so many holes to shove them in fortunately, there's a simple fix before you start fighting, always threaten to tear them a new asshole. That It's not cute anymore when someone runs a dog for mayor of some small town. You know, it was funny the first hundred times, but I say if you're gonna do it again and run Max for mayor, you have to go all the way and put out an attack ad He wants to be your choice for mayayor, but he doesn't even know how to read or write Max claims he's a good boy, but do good boys spend their weekends eating trash Isn't it time for a candidate who won't drag his ass on your new carpet I'm Tom Smith. I'm qualified to be your mayor and Mox is not because I can't stress this enough. He's a fucking dog Congratulations to all the people who graduated from college this month. Last month. Yes, it's commencement season, the time of year when college kids make the transition from campus life to their parents' basement. I want to say congratulations. You did it. And by it, I mean had your first lesbian kiss for the degree you just got, that's a little more complicated. There was a lot of booing at the commencement ceremonies this year, which is weird because you know how hard it is to make bombing at a graduation speech? All you have to do is give a little pep talk, tell a joke about college debt, and lie about how anything is possible But this year, speakers did not read the room. Hey geniuses, maybe don't mention AI to the people whose future jobs it's about to take. Artificial intelligence is the next industrial revolution. The question is whether you will help shape artificial intelligence We do not know. AI is rewriting production as we sit here say the kids are right. They're right to fear that in the age of AI, that degree they're holding is about as useful as your unused miles on spirit airlines. Isn't that the big question we should now be asking about education? Now that you can get the answer to everything by asking your phone, why are we going to college at all? Anyone, Bueller? anyone Rom Emanuel, who is definitely not running for president R just released his five point grand bargain plan for higher education, as private citizens with no political aspirations often do. Rom wants to make college great again, cheaper, faster, more accessible. It sounds exciting and looks good on a campaign website, but it's a little like buying manned fighter jets in the age of drones As it is, only about thirty five percent of graduates get a job in their field of study. And now with AI, English major, AI can write, computer science major, AI can code, music major, AI already has songs on the charts, phhilosophy major, AI can learn to write names on coffee cups And it's not like College was doing such a bang up job before Google Gemini came along six hundred desperate professors from the California University system just signed an open letter to let people know that a lot of the kids coming into their college classroom have to be taught middle school math Sadly, today, many young people cannot locate on a map the countries we're bombing Fox News sent a reporter to the beach on Memorial Day to find out what many typical young adults know Nothing The holiday means, not who we fought against in our wars or why we fought them. World War two. That might have been against Vietnam level of basic shit, these kids are let out of high school not knowing Like the country we gained our independence from Who could know that Oh, they know who knows Yeah With context when Chat GPT can not only just tell me the answer, but also compliment me for asking such an astinute question Yeah That's the one thing the robots figured out early on. We're less likely to oppose them if they're always acting like they kind of want to fuck us You know, it's so easy to get Seduced by technology, I remember a teacher once scolding me for using a calculator saying I should learn math because you're not always going to have your calculator walking around in the real world. Except now I don't have to know math because I do always have a calculator and I'm walking around in the real world So fuck you, Mr. Vanderholes I don't know No His point was not wrong. The calculator disabled a part of my brain. Look We all want the good parts of AI solving medical mysteries, figuring out clean energy But the vast majority of us We'll never use it for that. For us, it's a lobotomy with a monthly fee We're not using it to cure cancer. We're using it because we forgot how to make toast We emptied the kids' heads by letting them out of high school without knowing anything. and then What a perfect time for robots to come along and say, no problem. I got you I'm your brain now That is one big grand experiment we're running here. Can humans survive if we completely outsource our brains to something that does all our thinking Like Jill Biden used to do for Joe. Fake laugh machine. Now I'm no commencement speaker. They wouldn't let me near that podium. but I do have a message for the graduates and it's this, you are not wrong You do face an existential issue here, but the good news is, it's one completely in your power to fix. Are there issues that college students in the past faced like ending the Vietnam warar or civil rights or climate change, they all involve having to convinince the older generation to do something This one's all you You are the AI generation And you only have to convince yourself. I think it's great that you have this instinct to get involved and take up causes and many are worthy, but get serious Your issue shouldouldn't be Zionists or trans or plastic straws, No, your mission, should you decide to accept it, is to fight for humans and make sure we're not completely replaced You can't do it if you are hopelessly dependent on the thing that's replacing you. ninety percent of today's college students admit they've used AI academically, and seventy three percent of the faculty say they've had to deal with AI integrity issues, formerly known as cheating Maybe the commencement speaker should be buooing you AI has made college one big robot circle jerk where students use AI to write papers and professors use AI to grade them Okay, can you see in this equation who has been completely cut out The humans. It's the human kids. This is your issue. Fight for the humans All right, that's our show. I want to thank my guests. 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